Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Baez Blasts Team Padilla
Orlando, Fl– Late last week the latest motions in the defense of Tot mom Casey Anthony for allegedly murdering her 34 month old daughter Caylee were filed. Talk about your average ingrate. The very team Jose Baez called on for help to bail out his client is the latest target in Baez defense teams attempt to restart the bilge pump in Casey’s sinking ship.
Baez latest attempt to un-ring the Padilla bell may as well have arrived at the clerks office on a cocktail napkin; it will be taken exactly that seriously.
There is no expectation of privilege where there is no attorney/client relationship in Florida. The question is, did Jose Baez sufficiently disclose that information to his client, Casey Anthony? Is this motion really designed to stave off the current Florida Bar complaints under investigative review?
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to blinkoncrime.com that Baez is attempting to head the testimony of Padilla et al “off at the pass” for multiple reasons. It is expected that the backyard babblings of Casey Anthony to Tracy Mclaughlin will corroborate some of the evidence at the scene where Caylee Anthony’s remains were found. That’s not all. Baez is indirectly looking to block Leonard, Tracy, Rob and Tony from the civil case against his Client filed by Zenaida Gonzalez by blocking them from allowing their testimony as witnesses for the state in the criminal trial.
So What Would They Say?
Leonard Padilla, and occasionally Rob Dick have appeared on camera and spoken publicly about this case for the better part of a year.
Tony Padilla agreed to appear once on Nancy Grace to clear up some inconsistencies about the Surety process at the request of his surety firm early on, but prefers not to speak about the case publicly. Tracy has never given an interview publicly, but all of them have given statements to the FBI. What possible grounds will he claim to assert privilege when they did not work for Baez, nor did Baez ever pay any of them for anything?
None, because there aren’t any.
As far as revelations in their testimony, don’t expect any bombshells that have not been floating about already with the possibility of an exception or 50. They are:
Casey openly admitted to Rob Dick that she was forced to be following a script. He is also expected to provide some insight as to what Casey was doing in Baez’s office for 7 hours a day under the auspice of preparing for her defense.
The defense team revealed openly they would be pointing the finger at Jesse Grund. They are in possession of a first birthday card Jesse wrote to Caylee that they plan to use as the foundation of such an allegation.
Casey made Tony Padilla dinner the evening he got there to post her bond in George and Cindy’s presence in the Anthony home. He found her demeanor to be completely inconsistent with that of a mother whose child was missing, and she never once mentioned Caylee. Outside of Casey’s presence Tony asked Cindy who Caylees’ father was. Cindy presented him an article from the May 7, 2007 fatal crash that claimed the life of Jesus Ortiz. Tony initiated meeting Casey because one of his concerns when posting bond for her, was that she might commit suicide. Following that meeting, he felt confident there was a zero percent chance that was a possibility.
Remember this line, you will hear it again, “When are you going to stop acting like a cop and start acting like a Dad!!!”.
George Anthony purchased the handgun minutes following the rumor that Casey was about to be arrested on the economic charges and her bond would be revoked. Baez told the Anthonys’ that he alerted the OCSO that if that were the case, he would agree to turn her in, and they were under the impression they would agree to that arrangement.
What Baez did not know, is that OCSO was aware of the building potential for violence between George and Casey in the Anthony home and there was a genuine concern for Tracy’s safety on behalf of Team Padilla in the Anthony home. George Anthonys’ friend from Trumball County Ohio, we will call him Trumball Jim, told George everything he needed to know about Caylee’s whereabouts was in her room down the hall, (indicating Casey in her bedroom). George had it out with Casey demanding she tell him what she knew, and Jim had to pull George and Casey apart. Tim Miller, founder of Texas Equusearch, arrived shortly thereafter and was met at the door by Jim, with that episode being recounted to him as the first interface he had with anyone in the Anthony camp in that home.
This prompted Leonard’s comments on Nancy Grace that they could revoke her bond for any reason at any time and they were considering it. The photo on the front page of this article comes from the press conference following the meeting between Leonard and Baez that ensued after Baez had previously refused to discuss the issue with Leonard until he threatened to pull out.
Casey Anthony was scheduled to be interviewed by ABC at the Anthony home the day after she was rearrested and her bond was revoked. This was the reason that the Padillas received countless calls from Cindy and Lee begging Tony Padilla not to revoke her bond. Had they not, she could have been released within the hour as Baez stated at the time.
Lastly, the agreement Baez presented in his motion is not the only agreement between the parties in this motion. There is at least one more variation in which Tony Padilla requested language changes specifically that he did not include in the motion.
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#37 exactly, no matter if there was or wasnt a postmortem “PLAN” or “SCRIPT” pre meditated or not,this completely screwed it up,especially in the call the police(and report as kidnapping) stage because no matter what, the investigation would lead straight back to that car(even if they didnt go pick it up) spilling the decomp screwed any and all possible “alibi’s.they had to get casey and either work up a script (story) or completely rewrite the old one.
Joan (Canada), yeah, that statement has stuck out with me too. I think the answer is simple– Cindy knows what Casey did, and if Silverspnr is right, there may be some dark family secret that Cindy is worried too, about Casey spilling. Cindy doesn’t want Casey to talk, it seems, about anything its like– “Keep quiet, you will get off, we are working on it– type idea– just keep quiet, we support you no matter what you have done, just don’t break down, don’t get ‘weak’, don’t blab!!”
JMHO
Just Me, no interviews, not til this is over, said and done and someone does a documentary on the inmate before execution or as a ‘lifer’. She can’t profit from that if convicted.
Ok, I did hear what I thought I heard in the Lee/Tony car video. That video was done two weeks after July 15th approx, as that was the discussion. Lee had done two jail visitations and of course, she was not charged with murder, only neglect and economic charges.
Tape 3 of 4 of this video, there is discussion about a telephone conversation between Tony and Casey, no date given, but when she was out on bond during July. Lee said that you guys (Tony and Casey) talked forever, and he commented something that I can not make out that ends with him saying ‘I was on her phone’ and told Tony so he didn’t have to worry, it’s not public record, implying that it won’t come out, unless he guesses it could if LE went after it, then Tony jokes about it being full of ‘what the F’k are you talking about… etc ‘ to Casey as he was trying to ask her what was going on etc.
Lee seemed to have arranged this call between his sister and Tony. (I’m guessing that wasn’t Casey’s cell phone!!!– so who else but Lee’s G/F Mallory’s phone– that’s my guess). Also, we know from the discovery, that Tony allowed LE to monitor his calls, so this call would certainly have been recorded by LE if they had this arranged by the time Casey was first released on bond.
The gist of the phone call, or as Tony describes it, was his surprise at how Casey stuck to her guns about her lies, that yes, she did have diplomas from high school, college, she did work at Universal. The two guys are agreeing that was ‘BS’. Tony observed that Casey was more upset about him asking about her lies than about ‘other things’– like ‘why didn’t you tell me’ (about Caylee or what was going on I assume). Casey was more concerned about the stories being believed, than about Caylee in her call with Tony, according to Tony.
I assume this was a topic chosen by LE investigators to get Lee to confirm that he arranged this call.
Lee also confirmed that he only shared certain things with LE, like facts he learned, never anything from anyone else– because as Lee said, they couldn’t ‘use’ (in court) what Lee was told anyway. Well, that makes sense doesn’t it– LE can go ask that person themselves if they know to do it! Lee was clearly withholding information from LE.
Back to the Tony, Casey telephone conversation– does anyone have any information on this call in discovery that I’m missing per chance? (expect it’s still under wraps) I’m guessing that Lee also recorded this call, or it was on speaker, as Cindy would surely want to know what Casey was telling her lover. And Cindy would want info on Tony if there was something she could use to implicate him too.
Blink, Maura, have any information about this from the grapevine or discovery depths??? Like whose phone was Lee using to set up this call? Mallory? (boy is that drawing your g/f into the investigation, if he did that– nice boyfriend!!)
For reference/source, times of that conversation in the video are video 3 of 4 (wftv). About the 16 1/2 minute mark, Tony first comments about Casey’s call from jail demanding his phone number and he gets the topic going by asking ‘is she still asking for my number?’. (lee says ‘no’)
18:40, the point where Lee said ‘I was on her cell phone’…. ‘so don’t worry about it… ‘ (being bugged)
silverspnr, just want you to know that I love, love, love your posts – you are a great addition to Blinkoncrime! Don’t know how you got to be so smart and witty, and I’ll betcha I’m not the only one here who is glad you came aboard!!! Thanks for all your input – YOU ARE NOT AT ALL “FISHY” – MORE LIKE A FILET MIGNON, IMO
Silverspnr,
Something has been bugging me about Annie Downing as well. I have recently changed my nightly routine. I have gone from reading a book to sitting in favorite chair when the house is dark and quiet at night. It allows me to put on my headphones and listen to every word of the interviews. I choose a different set each night. Last night I chose Annie’s LE interviews. Something fishy indeed! I have many questions after hearing that. I suggest anyone who hasn’t REALLY listened to those to go back and re-listen when you have a chance. They are very telling.
I have something to do tonight, otherwise I’d list my questions about Annie, but will do it tomorrow. However, I will leave you and others with this one quick thought I had while listening last night. Annie describes Caylee as a “mommas baby” so to speak. A child that seems to have some sort of separation anxiety, as if trying to say Casey was so overprotective and such a good mother that Caylee wouldn’t GO TO or WANT anyone but Casey. The only problem with that theory is this. There is another type of anxiety as far as separation is concerned.
Just because Caylee “freaked out” each time Casey was out of her sight doesn’t necessarily mean Caylee was so attached to Casey, and/or that she was a great mother and that’s what caused it. Could be just the opposite in fact. A child who is often left alone in a room, or whose mother runs out of sight each time she has a chance, that child will “freak out” the same way a child that is very attached will. For example….Casey might make lunch for Caylee, turn on the television, instead of sitting in her line of sight, Casey would take that opportunity to get online, step out of the room and make a phone call. If Caylee were in the bath, instead of sitting in the floor and helping, or just watching her, Casey may have left the bathroom and used that as a “breather” from Caylee as well. Also, if Casey took Caylee with her to a friends home and wanted to smoke a joint, be affectionate with a boyfriend, etc. She might attempt to get Caylee interested in something and Caylee would be happy to not only “be interested” in whatever it was, but also be happy to share it with Casey, ONLY TO turn around after her attention was diverted from Casey to find that Casey was no longer in the room.
I don’t know if any of that came across the way I know you could understand it better if you were in my head, however I did try. LOL. Anyway, just one of MANY thoughts and questions I had after listening to Annie. As I said, I listened to them when they were initially released, but found them MUCH more informative when I wasn’t distracted at all. In fact, one of the more interesting and informative I’ve listened to up to this point.
Hey silver what does the last paragraph in this article mean when blink writes that there is another agreement one that tony padilla made specific changes on?this one is not the agreement that baez filed his motion on? Does this mean that baez filed a redacted agreement?
Silver I guess what I’m asking is does the last paragraph of blinks article mean that baez went to court “inadequetely equiped”?
isn’t it nice to see so many still here for Caylee Marie!!!♥♥♥ and wanting the ABSOLUTE TRUTH!
Great job Blink! And all you “Blinkers” have had me reading, watching,& listening back over stuff for hours. Some homework, team! Mind boggling, the twists this case keeps taking.
“Stop acting like a cop and start acting like a dad”…and then Blink gives us a very disturbing sentence:
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“What Baez did not know, is that OCSO was aware of the building potential for violence between George and Casey in the Anthony home and there was a genuine concern for Tracy’s safety on behalf of Team Padilla in the Anthony home.”
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I know that I was one of the one’s who thought the Padilla’s bailing Casey out was atrocious….but, after watching the “cowboy” for awhile and listening to him…he sort of struck me as one who really did want to find that darling little girl. (I’d never seen him before and was stuck in a hotel once unable to sleep and watched “Dawg”..that was my idea of a bounty hunter). After a year, I say with conviction if Leonard Padilla was afraid for Tracy’s safety..it was time to get outta Dodge.
And it puts the George situation into perspective for me.
IMO George is the ticking bomb in this situation. Did it ever officially come out that he was an alcoholic?
Kleat, the laptop. I have agreed from day one that Lee tried to purge both computers of incriminating evidence. And yes, he most probably tried to erase the laptop. But, remember I have said things never disappear off a computer, no matter if deleted? I feel strongly that the prosecution has all that evidence from in the “lost & found section of that computer” to bring out at a later date. And so does Baez. IIR he taught a computer class for attorney’s and judges. Or maybe at this late hour I dreamed that
And yes Silver, I remember the first time I heard Lee giving the hard line to Casey about what the first thing LE would say to her was, “MRS”….but, I just took it as guys that age might think of that term as a more forceful way of speaking to someone rather than the significance of what Ms,Mrs,Miss means.
I rewatched Annie’s deposition for the umpteenth time and as from the first time I watched it…that girl is hiding something,IMO.
AND, Mrs.Silver, you have given me a lot to comptemplate in all your great posts of the past two days. In return, after you made me google “How to get rid of decomposition odor”…I wound up on youtube & watched 2 parts of an interesting case. It has two young children in a state of decomposition exactly as Caylee’s body was. The last 3 mins of part2 has some interesting thought provoking info that could give thoughts to evidence in this case. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S9oks0-rqU&feature=channel
GypsyDD, I have often thought of the fact that clothing/surrounding area’s,ect had to have decomp on them from Casey handling the transistion (s?) and subsequent attempts to clean. I missed anything about drywall being removed. Can you lead me in the direction to that, please.
And I have NO idea what is in a medicine cabinet that would make dna disappear.
Now I am going to google “drywall casey anthony evidence”…..
TY, I was one of those vehemently against Casey bonding out. I learned quickly that Padillas intentions were pure to get Casey too talk. Tony P is a good friend of mine, but we would agree that Leonard has on occasion gone overboard and did get a little cameraflashidis. That said, I believe Leonard is really a decent guy.
B
When Cindy said to Casey…”We forgive you for anything you said”, I think Cindy was talking about the molestation allegations Casey had been telling people, which came out through this ordeal. I have never thought any of that was true, just another way for Casey to manipulate people. And when Casey answered, “Don’t worry, I didn’t say anything”, she was thinking ‘Don’t worry…I didn’t say anything to incriminate myself’…which was what was on her mind! JMHO
To NancyS: Why would you not be able to share your hunch until this is over? Do you have some kind of priviledged information, and how would you have come upon this? Do tell!!
Wendy #57
You are thinking Caylee may have had separation anxiety, if maybe she could not trust Casey to reliably be there for her, and as a result was clingy with Casey and slow to go to other people. I wondered the same thing when I was listening to Annie Downing’s interview. I was curious if Caylee was like this with people in general or if it was something about Annie.
Annie’s interview, I sure felt like she was holding back, esp in the beginning of the interview.
I see what blink means by arrogance. How does baez possibly hope this strategy will work? Did he actually get his strategy from cindy herself? WTH and WTF?
54 Kleat
Lee did not set up any call between Tony and Casey. After driving around Orlando with Detective Melich in the early morning of July 16, he dropped her off at the Anthony house around 6:00-6:30am. Her cell phone was returned to her.
She sent a text message to Tony at 6:48am, and they exchanged text messages for about 45 minutes before he asked her why she was texting instead of calling. That’s when she called him.
The text messages are in the discovery. Tony sent an email on July 17 at 11pm to Detective Melich that contained the record of the July 16 text exchange that was in his Blackberry. His text records of that July 16 exchange are in the November 26 discovery (part 7). Casey’s text message file was released in January. Her records show his incoming messages for that July 16 exchange but not her outgoing messages.
PS Wendy I am sure interested to hear your list of questions about Annie!
Anyone have any comments about Jesse’s interview 7/31/08? A couple clips:
“Is, there was two, there’s two different types of what if scenarios that have gone through my head in regards to what could have happened to uhm, Caylee uhm, because I’ll, I’ll say this for the record. Uhm, I don’t believe Caylee at any point in time would have ever hurt, or I don’t believe Casey would have ever hurt Caylee on purpose and I, I, there’s no way that I, I personally could ever foresee her doing that. Uhm, I do believe that there are times where Casey would leave Caylee unattended to do things. Get on the computer, talk on the phone. And at that point…”
He describes how he could picture an accident happening, and then he goes on to say
“…And if something accidentally happened to Caylee I literally believe that Casey would have an emotional breakdown: a mental breakdown to the point where I almost believe she would take Caylee and put her somewhere and then uh, tell herself a new story, a new reality of what happened to her.”
Further on, he states his belief that if something did happen to Caylee, it would have been difficult for Casey to tell Cindy, and that she probably would not have told anyone “except herself”.
And then he expresses his belief that Casey would have been most likely to place Caylee in her playhouse since that was her favorite place.
Also spoke of how verbally abusive Cindy could be to Casey.
Jesse seemed to know Casey very well.
I haven’t listened to Annie Downing’s OCSO interview (only the ZG deposition), but Annie has said that when she used to hang out with Casey and Caylee a lot, Caylee was a baby (12-18 months old). IIRC, Annie and Casey’s friendship cooled off or slowed down in the summer of 2007, so Annie could be remembering the clingy, baby Caylee whereas Casey’s newest friends knew the almost-three-years-old, socially-outgoing Caylee.
Leonard Padilla talked about the birthday card from Jesse to Caylee on Nancy Grace last fall (September maybe). He said Jesse expressed his love and affection for Caylee in the card and that whatever Jesse said could be misinterpreted. Leonard was never specific about what was written in the card.
Leonard did say Baez showed him the card when Casey was first bonded out and Baez was trying to get Leonard to say he thought there was something (paraphrasing here) obsessive about Jesse’s feelings for Caylee.
I will say that it is an oddly written card for a one year old. It is written more for her Mother than for Caylee when you get done to it. Jesse loved Caylee very much, loved Casey very much, and she jilted him a few months prior. I feel sorry for him that it will be put on display this way.
B
Re: The laptop’s blue screen
The laptop was already screwed up when Lee got to Tony’s apartment. An OCSO deputy went to Tony’s on July 15 around 11pm to get Casey’s phone. While he was there, Tony pointed out Casey’s laptop and said Casey had been using the laptop when Amy and Cindy arrived (Tony’s roommate Nathan also said Casey was using the laptop when Amy and Cindy arrived). Tony and the deputy tried to turn the laptop on but only got a blue screen and couldn’t get the problem sorted out, so they left it for Lee to handle.
Here is what Tony said about the laptop when he answered questions at Scared Monkeys last September:
Reply #55 on: September 25, 2008, 11:37:39 PM »
yeah well she was on it when amy came to the door i was playing mlb 2k8 with nate and it was plugged in cuz when the deputy that came to look at my place for caylee i told him that it was casey’s laptop and we all tried turning it on thought it was dead so we plugged it in and found out then that computer wasnt working and im a smart man with MACs but not PCs so we (including the deputy) just closed it and i told lee about it and he said he would look at it when he got there.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3434.0
Tony’s account matches what Lee told OCSO during his July 29 interview. An hour or so after the deputies responded to Cindy’s 911 call, Lee said he offered (to the deputies who were at the Anthony house) to go to Tony’s to pick up Casey’s cell phone but was told that an officer had already gone to Tony’s around 11:00p to get it and that LE was in the process of calling Casey’s contacts. Lee went to Tony’s to get Casey’s things around midnight and got back to the Anthony house around 2:24am. That is consistent with Nathan’s testimony that Lee, Tony, and Nathan had a long conversation that night.
On pages 54-58 of Lee’s OCSO interview, he talked about the laptop. Lee said it was off when he got to Tony’s, but it was set up on the kitchen counter and plugged in. When he turned it on, he got a blue screen error that he couldn’t get out of. He said the screen message was that the computer had been shut down improperly and data had been lost. His options were to restore to the most recent settings that worked, to log on in safe mode, to debug in safe mode, etc. He said any of those options should have taken him to the Windows XP home screen, but that home screen would only stay up for a second or two before the screen reverted to blue and the original options. So according to what Lee told Eric Edwards, he was never able to get the laptop running. He said it was either a virus or necessary files for booting up had been deleted.
As far as I’m concerned, Casey screwed up the computer herself and was sitting on the couch either trying to fix it or was in the process of screwing it up when Amy knocked on the door. She had just used the computer that afternoon to initiate an electronic transfer of $574 from Amy’s checking account to her AT&T account, so maybe while trying to delete the evidence of that bank transfer, she screwed up the laptop by deleting a necessary file.
48 Joan
During that jail conversation, Cindy actually said she forgives Casey for anything she’s “said or done,” but the “or done” is after a pause and spoken very softly. I’m not sure Casey heard the “or done” part because Casey had so quickly responded that she hadn’t said anything.
In the nine days between Casey’s arrest on July 16 and Cindy and George’s first jail visit on July 25, Cindy had learned about many unflattering and false stories Casey had been telling her friends about George and Cindy. George was cheating, they were getting divorced, the Anthony home was a bad environment for Caylee, Cindy had once spent a week in a psychiatric facility, etc.
I don’t personally believe there is any byzantine conspiracy behind Cindy’s question.
KLEAT! I am trying to keep up with all of your great posts!!
Yep, that LEE and his crazy/giggly statement.
It has always been my opinion that he was SENT TO TONY’S THAT NIGHT TO ERASE/DELETE the laptop before LE could inspect it.
I think Casey failed to let him know she had some other form of ID in her wallet though, don’t you?? Had she done so, I imagine that would have “vanished” into thin air (or gone for a “swim with the fishes”)that night as well.
Re:#41–
Generally speaking,Baez cannot repeat what Casey tells him within the scope of his representation of her, without HER permission (unless she confides the intent to commit a FUTURE CRIME or FRAUD).
Criminal defense attorneys are bound by ethics/the Code of Professional Responsibility. I have made mention of one such ethical obligation in the past, to wit: the duty to zealously represent the client (the guilty as well as the innocent).
Sometimes people get angry at criminal defense attorneys for all the wrong reasons.
These professionals are there to protect the rights of the individual against the State. And in doing so, they actually help to maintain our (version of a) “free” society.
A zealous and vigorous defense is what is owed to the innocently charged individual, and hence must be afforded to all. This is our way of keeping (or trying to keep) the system/the state/the gov’t honest, and to ensure that judges and juries have the ultimate power to decide whether or not said individual is guilty of a crime as charged (and not, for instance, the police).
Having said that–
You know that I believe Casey is guilty of Murder One–as I have stated time and again here.
I also believe that a good/ethical attorney would handle her case in a manner that would not send our moral thermometers into reflecting this collective fever pitch.
While we are all understandably angered and disgusted with Baez here, I hope we also all take pride in the fact that no one who contests criminal charges brought against them is LEGALLY guilty in the US unless and until the prosecution PROVES the elements of the crime BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
The purpose of the attorney-client privilege is to foster an environment in which the client can be HONEST with the attorney, even if that means confessing to a crime.
Mounting an ETHICAL defense of a client who confesses in confidence, (particularly in a case where the crime is so heinous) is still the duty of his/her attorney.
HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT–
It is certainly NOT his obligation, nor will it go over well, to attack an INNOCENT PARTY (Jesse Grund).
Joan (Canada)-#48
A malpractice claim is probably the least of concerns for Baez right now. It is mainly the concern of his professional liability insurance carrier. It has nothing to do with the Murder case. Let’s just say, based on Blink’s story above, his malpractice carrier is constructively on notice of the potential for a future claim. When Strickland makes a ruling on that motion and the S hits the fan in the MSM, there will be an adjuster/claims rep sitting in some office or cubicle somewhere, assigned to place a value on the potential claim (and even possibly to set aside a “reserve”). Despite the fact that Casey is a hated woman, if Baez breached the standard of care,particularly such that it could affect her freedom/her life, it is quite possible that CASEY COULD BE AWARDED THE POLICY LIMIT, and beyond it. If there is an excess policy in effect, that carrier might wish to consider setting aside a reserve as well.
Bottomline- I’m glad to have provided you some entertainment=)
boo-#58 — I think Blink was clear on this point. Baez apparently only attached a VERSION of the agreement as an exhibit in support of the motion, and not the version which contained language changes requested by Padilla. Another epic FAIL on the ethics front, as every attorney has an ethical duty of candor to the court.
Kleat #52 Yes, those were pretty much my thoughts also. There is so much we do not know, but everything thing they say or do leaves you with a very uncomfortable feeling in your gut.
Silver #63 Thanks for the information. So much knowledge! Hate to see anything happen to such a great guy (Baez). L0L.
Am now going to listen to Amy’s interview again.
Maura, thanks once again– I’m missing some discovery for sure. I think I need some new sites with discovery links. Your comment clears up a lot for me– I was thinking that the judge ordered that Casey not be allowed certain communications, which would be later, not so early. OSCO must have cleared Tony very early on and I didn’t know that LE beat Lee to Tony’s place that night.
I am new to this site but have to say thankyou for all the info and I’m very happy to have found you. I’ve often wondered if Baeaz is purposely setting up an appeal for Casey.
I have three points I would like to throw out there:
1st
It is obvious that in Annie Downing’s interrogation by the OCSO that in the middle the tape is stopped and something goes off record, or at least we are not yet privy to what transpired.
2nd
the Mythbusters tv show did a segment on the “dead-body-in-a-car” idea and to prove/disprove the questions of whether or not you can get the smell out of the car. They placed a fresh pig carcass in a junker they purchased and left it in the sun for (I think is was) 5 days. To make a long story short, by the end of the experiment, no one could approach the car without holding their nose and they had professional detailers TAKE THE CAR APART AND METICULOUSLY CLEAN EVERY PART and the smell wouldn’t come out.
3rd
Isn’t it ABC that produces the “dateline” program? There is a Dateline ID program that airs on the Investigation Discovery Channel, and on this program they follow a case from start to finish. They will even go back and update a program to follow appeals. Anyway, I have always thought that the whole ABC thing with the Anthonys was probably this program jumping into it from the get-go. They would need “inside” access and this was such a big story with such broad appeal that they wouldn’t want to miss the opportunity.
JMHO
Virtually all the printed discovery is on Docstoc although it isn’t organized neatly; you have to use the search box for “Lazzaro” or whatever. Also, the documents from various discovery releases are uploaded by multiple parties, so there is a good deal of duplication. But if you’re looking for a specific transcript or forensic report, you’ll find it here with a bit of searching.
http://www.docstoc.com/
We are lead to believe that Lee was sent to retrieve the computer. This would involve getting in his Vaderstang, going to Tony’s apt., getting the computer, getting back in the Vaderstang and going back to Hopespring. Nowhere in his stated mission was he to boot, reboot, reformat, charge, plug in, play video games, etc. He was simply supposed to go fetch the computer. If memory serves, he took almost two hours for a thirty minute round trip.
Computer forensics should tell what he was really up to. He was surely not playing Vader Wars online with NG as his unknown opponent on the other end.
And last, His car is Vader1. Have we tied Vader1 to Mcgirth yet? Six degrees of…, etc.
Lol, you made my day. I remember the first time I saw you post “Vaderstag” in print, and I still laugh like the last girl picked for dodgeball..
You do remember we actually did a study of his online gaming, remember?? Vaderputz is quite the XBOX Live lova.
B
so anyone in orlando,does amscot have cameras covering parking lot or only indoors?
Re: June 8 versus June 15 date confusion
The date discrepancy was an innocent error IMO.
Cindy has the most dominating personality in the household, and Cindy was insisting that she had not seen Caylee since Sunday, June 8. Lee said when he and Casey were in the garage on the night of July 15 listening to George and Cindy talk to the detectives that Cindy must have mentioned the July 8 date about 50 times. Since Cindy was the family member who was in near-daily contact with Casey and was trying harder than any other family member to see or speak to Caylee (as with her visit to Universal on July 3), the rest of the family assumed she was correct about the date.
Cindy told LE that she and George watched Caylee virtually every Saturday and Sunday.
She went to Mount Dora on Friday, May 31 (at the beginning of her vacation) and stayed overnight with her mother because her father wasn’t doing well, then she visited Alex at the nursing home on Sunday, June 8. The following weekend, she visited Alex on Sunday, June 15 before going to Shirley’s for an afternoon dinner. That was two weekends in a row that she had gone to Shirley’s house and visited Alex on Sunday.
Cindy was on vacation from May 31 to June 8 and had exclusively taken care of Caylee for the entire week. Casey was hardly around, and Cindy told her co-workers that Casey hadn’t even stopped by or called on Cindy’s birthday (June 5). But at the tail end of Cindy’s vacation, Casey took Caylee overnight on the nights of June 7 and 9 with Ricardo. Also, June 10 is the date given by several witnesses as the beginning of the period when Casey began spending most of her time at Tony’s Sutton Place apartment. This is the week when Maria Kissh said she went to the apartment after work and Caylee answered the door.
So the way I see it, Cindy formed the June 8 date as the beginning of the Casey-Caylee sojourn mainly because she and Caylee were together 24-7 for virtually the entire week of Cindy’s vacation (June 2-6) but that period was immediately followed by a week in which Casey and Caylee were both gone from the house most of the time, including two overnights at Ricardo’s at the beginning of that week. She was further confused because on both weekends (June 7-8 and June 14-15), she had visited Alex in the nursing home and visited Shirley at the Mount Dora condo.
And as others have noted, Father’s Day is not a fixed-date holiday like Christmas, so the date of Father’s Day would not (for most people) be easily recalled. There was no Father’s Day celebration at the Anthony house, so there was no special dinner or barbecue with the immediate Anthony family to anchor the 15th as a calendar date.
If the Anthonys or Cindy alone had been colluding to mislead LE about the date, they would have looked at a calendar and figured out the number of days between June 8 and July 15 and said Caylee had been missing for 37 days (or whatever it works out to). Or they would have reported Caylee as having been kidnapped five weeks earlier, not a month earlier.
I just want to say …
I have learned more from Maura and silverspnr over the last week on this site than I’ve learned in an entire year following information at another site.
You two are AMAZING. Thank you!
I would add Kleat to that mix of Casey Case smarties, but yes, they know this case inside and out.
B
Kleat; #31, Thanks for the Leonard Cohen!
I wander if JG’ LE interview is another reason that Baez will point the finger at him. His point of view on casey’s behavior could be seen as suspisious. The scenario he provides re: accident, placing caylee in the playhouse and his explanation re casey not telling anyone but instead creating her own reality could be construed as first hand knowledge. Don’t get me wrong, I know JG was just a love sick guy who closed his eyes where casey was concerned, I don’t even think he was casey’s outcry witness or one of Lees either he is just offering his point of view of casey but I am willing to bet his statement to LE will factor in to Baez pointing the finger at jesse.
I can also see from lee’s wiretapped conversation with tony that lee is trying to paint jesse as a “casey stalker” someone who was obsessed with casey. I see Jesse as a guy who loved casey and caylee very much and was hoping to have them both in his life in spite of what she had done. I think cindy and lee are aware of this and they along with baez will try to spin this to there benefit. I think most people have enough “common sense” to see thru this “attack” on jesse.
I mean who hasn’t been lovesick over the wrong person, I know I have! Those 12 jurors will be looking into there own pasts and thinking “me too”
Dumb question– Padilla stood to lose the 50 thousand by revoking bond? Why would he lose that if it was actually in the state’s interest to keep her there?
Padilla’s statement as per WESH, Aug 27, 2008:
“He said he has some regrets for paying the $50,000 to get her out. He said, while he wouldn’t get his money back, the bondsmen are weighing whether to revoke the bond and send her back to jail.”
No question, he lost $50K, period.
B
I think I may have just figured out Baez’s strategy on Jessie. Based on the birthday card, he is going to claim that Jesse (adn I don’t believe this for a minute) sexually abused Caylee. Baez wll sink as low as he can to save “his girl”. I have dealt with people accused fo sexual abuse adn it’s very difficult to unring that bell. There is not enoguh of the remains to disprove this lie. Nevertheless, there is no evidence (unless they make it up and I don’t put that pass tehm) that Caylee EVER exhibited the behavior of a sexually abused child. However, I can see Baez doing this. Only scum would think like this and Baez is truly scum.
No way, not the sex abuse route, Jesse Grund is a decent kid that took responsibility for a little girl that he knew was not his child, they would not dare.
B
Silver…. got a ? for you if you know, if been asked already I must have missed it. Can Lyons change the course of Baez’s defense plan or does she have to stay his course?
Kleat try this link for docs… it might help and is definitely worth the added bookmark. There are 2 pages. Also she has a character list by initial’s….lol I had to copy/paste that one into a word doc and print it out to keep track. Hope it helps.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread431159/pg2
I have a question for anyone. Did jesse give casey an engagement ring? Is that ring in casey or jesse possession right now?
I don’t mean that the ring would be on casey’s person but amongst her possession at home? Or did she return the ring to jesse and then later when she went to his home to shower, could she have taken the ring back?
Tommie.
I have a hunch and no it is not privledged as I would not say anything to anyone in this case as lives are getting destroyed over this case.
Sometimes people talk and some people get paid and some people keep their mouths shut and hope there is JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE as Blink herself does on this blog.
I am sure there will be a lot talked about after the trial…..
To NancyS: Why would you not be able to share your hunch until this is over? Do you have some kind of priviledged information, and how would you have come upon this? Do tell!!
I am not speaking for NancyS, but I think what she may be referring to is that I have turned down several National media requests for interviews in Caylee’s case, and I daresay I will continue to, until it is resolved.
B
#77. Red ranger. I would like to add a quote I read on scared monkeys…. We kind of treat him differently, he knows what he did.
#68….what did the card say?
#77 RED, and why would lee do that if there was real concern for caylee’s life,or murder,he knew what happened,and if he thought it was a negligent accident caused by casey,what and why would anything need to removed or deleted from her computer?
Vaderstang!! Love it RR!!– you are back!!! If Lee has his Vaderstang, what does Cindy drive??? (vehicle’ly speaking, that is?? How about the Batmobile? (sorry– I’ll re-Cind that if I must! )
Annals, you are welcome– that was just one Leonard to another Leonard! I like that version particularly for this because if you play the chorus, especially, it’s more uptempo beat it makes a great background theme for Blink’s bobbleheads in the cop as they head down the river (or is it up the river).
Blink, thank you for the commendation, but I’m slipping– getting jammed on a few things lately for sure! Now if I’d been keeping binders and notebooks, that would help a lot. I have started to make use of ‘Stickies’ program, but that’s just temporary notes.
Blink,how can the defense point the finger at jesse Grund? After all Casey has stuck with the Zanny the nanny story line.This is very unfair and I really feel sorry for this dude.Jose Baez,his helpers and the Anthonys should be ashamed of themselves for trying to finger this guy for something that they know Casey did.They should all burn in hell.What in the world could he have written on that birthday card that would make him look guilty of this child’s murder? this is a sad situation for him and,I pray that GOD will be standing by for him.It seems that these people are a danger to anyone who goes near them.I will be having surgery in a few days and I will be looking for my reply from you when I return home from hospital.Thanks,ArgentinaRose.
They cannot. Remember that was very early on. I will say this, I do NOT think Jesse had anything to do with Caylee’s death or the disposal of her remains in any way, but that was not always the case. I, like many others thought for a time that Jesse may have been some sort of unwilling accomplice after the fact (ie: like she went to his house and put evidence in his dumpster or asked him to dispose of a duffel of some sort.) To this day I still believe in some ways she was trying to set him up for something. The only basis I have for this opinion is that phone records, upon careful scrutiny, tell that story, and I will leave it at that.
B
This Anthony Klan is something else.It seems that every guy mentioned as being the father of Caylee is deceased with the exception of Jesse Grund.This is for the conveinence of the of the lying Anthonys.They really do deserve to be held accountable for all of the lies and covering up that they are doing.WILL THEY EVER BE ARRESTED FOR ALL OF THEIR CRIMES? THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO CINDY,GEORGE AND LEE.OH BTW,JOSE BAEZ DESERVES TO BE IN THAT NUMBER TOO.
OH, I forgot to ask this in my last comment so here it goes.Why was Casey meeting with Baez in his office everyday for 7hrs and why was he the one to come pick her up at her house and drive her to his office? Does he and his client know what that looked like? If they don’t know then I will tell them,IT DIDN’T LOOK GOOD AT ALL! I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN IN ANYOTHER CASE.Something more than preparing for a murder trial was taken place in that office between Casey and as she calls him,Jose.She is the first client that I know of who is on a first name basis with her attorney.
I am not speaking for NancyS, but I think what she may be referring to is that I have turned down several National media requests for interviews in Caylee’s case, and I daresay I will continue to, until it is resolved.
B
YES you are speaking for me Blink. Exactly!
I am one of those people that can read between lines and also know which ones I will not cross.
It is hard sometimes to be so involved in a case and not just tell people what you know, other than if you did, the case would fall apart and justice would be gone!
I am really crossing my fingers though that someone LIKE BLINK writes a book on this story as to me, it has been fascinating to see it unwind. I would never be able to write a book on this one.
TOO many twists, turns and people involved for me to do it justice but I have watched Blink from the very beginning of this and I truly hope that she does do a book and it wouldn’t be for money if she did.
The best books ever!
Thanks so much and know that you are just somethin else.
#93 susanm. Ditto
maura,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwY0SRXL4I0&feature=related, morgan’s zg is apparently zenida c gonzales,she says it is john morgans fault her lawsuit was filed as zenida fernandez gonzales.HERE in this video she claims she is KNOWN as zanny the nanny,THATS WHAT THEY CALL HER THATS WHAT SHE IS KNOWN AS ,zanny the nanny. here she says she has two daughters,twice,i thought you said something about a son.if casey got her from the sawgrass guest card,was casey just purposely mixing up details,like no children,sister has two,did casey add the fernandez on purpose to mix it up? i think not. imo there is more to this than meets the eye ,very skeptical that this is coincidence,supposedly this zg’s ex boyfriend(?),has the tattoo shop where casey got her tattoo’s as a myspace friend.