Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Baez Blasts Team Padilla
Orlando, Fl– Late last week the latest motions in the defense of Tot mom Casey Anthony for allegedly murdering her 34 month old daughter Caylee were filed. Talk about your average ingrate. The very team Jose Baez called on for help to bail out his client is the latest target in Baez defense teams attempt to restart the bilge pump in Casey’s sinking ship.
Baez latest attempt to un-ring the Padilla bell may as well have arrived at the clerks office on a cocktail napkin; it will be taken exactly that seriously.
There is no expectation of privilege where there is no attorney/client relationship in Florida. The question is, did Jose Baez sufficiently disclose that information to his client, Casey Anthony? Is this motion really designed to stave off the current Florida Bar complaints under investigative review?
Sources inside the investigation have confirmed to blinkoncrime.com that Baez is attempting to head the testimony of Padilla et al “off at the pass” for multiple reasons. It is expected that the backyard babblings of Casey Anthony to Tracy Mclaughlin will corroborate some of the evidence at the scene where Caylee Anthony’s remains were found. That’s not all. Baez is indirectly looking to block Leonard, Tracy, Rob and Tony from the civil case against his Client filed by Zenaida Gonzalez by blocking them from allowing their testimony as witnesses for the state in the criminal trial.
So What Would They Say?
Leonard Padilla, and occasionally Rob Dick have appeared on camera and spoken publicly about this case for the better part of a year.
Tony Padilla agreed to appear once on Nancy Grace to clear up some inconsistencies about the Surety process at the request of his surety firm early on, but prefers not to speak about the case publicly. Tracy has never given an interview publicly, but all of them have given statements to the FBI. What possible grounds will he claim to assert privilege when they did not work for Baez, nor did Baez ever pay any of them for anything?
None, because there aren’t any.
As far as revelations in their testimony, don’t expect any bombshells that have not been floating about already with the possibility of an exception or 50. They are:
Casey openly admitted to Rob Dick that she was forced to be following a script. He is also expected to provide some insight as to what Casey was doing in Baez’s office for 7 hours a day under the auspice of preparing for her defense.
The defense team revealed openly they would be pointing the finger at Jesse Grund. They are in possession of a first birthday card Jesse wrote to Caylee that they plan to use as the foundation of such an allegation.
Casey made Tony Padilla dinner the evening he got there to post her bond in George and Cindy’s presence in the Anthony home. He found her demeanor to be completely inconsistent with that of a mother whose child was missing, and she never once mentioned Caylee. Outside of Casey’s presence Tony asked Cindy who Caylees’ father was. Cindy presented him an article from the May 7, 2007 fatal crash that claimed the life of Jesus Ortiz. Tony initiated meeting Casey because one of his concerns when posting bond for her, was that she might commit suicide. Following that meeting, he felt confident there was a zero percent chance that was a possibility.
Remember this line, you will hear it again, “When are you going to stop acting like a cop and start acting like a Dad!!!”.
George Anthony purchased the handgun minutes following the rumor that Casey was about to be arrested on the economic charges and her bond would be revoked. Baez told the Anthonys’ that he alerted the OCSO that if that were the case, he would agree to turn her in, and they were under the impression they would agree to that arrangement.
What Baez did not know, is that OCSO was aware of the building potential for violence between George and Casey in the Anthony home and there was a genuine concern for Tracy’s safety on behalf of Team Padilla in the Anthony home. George Anthonys’ friend from Trumball County Ohio, we will call him Trumball Jim, told George everything he needed to know about Caylee’s whereabouts was in her room down the hall, (indicating Casey in her bedroom). George had it out with Casey demanding she tell him what she knew, and Jim had to pull George and Casey apart. Tim Miller, founder of Texas Equusearch, arrived shortly thereafter and was met at the door by Jim, with that episode being recounted to him as the first interface he had with anyone in the Anthony camp in that home.
This prompted Leonard’s comments on Nancy Grace that they could revoke her bond for any reason at any time and they were considering it. The photo on the front page of this article comes from the press conference following the meeting between Leonard and Baez that ensued after Baez had previously refused to discuss the issue with Leonard until he threatened to pull out.
Casey Anthony was scheduled to be interviewed by ABC at the Anthony home the day after she was rearrested and her bond was revoked. This was the reason that the Padillas received countless calls from Cindy and Lee begging Tony Padilla not to revoke her bond. Had they not, she could have been released within the hour as Baez stated at the time.
Lastly, the agreement Baez presented in his motion is not the only agreement between the parties in this motion. There is at least one more variation in which Tony Padilla requested language changes specifically that he did not include in the motion.
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Rick Plesea picked up right away that something was wrong and Casey was up to no good, he tried to talk sense into Cindy and she was not open to reason. His immediate reaction was to put the pool ladder and other clues together and think, must have been an accident in the pool.
Question: why if it was an accident (of any kind) would Casey not call 911? Is she that intimidated by Cindy that she would try to cover it up? People don’t go to prison for that, it makes no sense. I have to wonder if there was something about the body, a reason she could not call paramedics?
Was Jesse trying to protect Casey in his interview; offer a sort of alibi for her strange behavior?
It is beyond despicable that they would try to pin this on him in any way.
I don’t really understand why they are not going back to the accident idea, really, as far as a defense goes. She panicked and hid the body and was so freaked out she acted totally bizarre afterwards. There must be a reason they can’t go there?
Another subject, I have heard some people wonder if Casey was deluded enough that she believed her own lies. I personally believe an emphatic no! If she was, she’d have walked right on into Universal with the police and not confessed at the last minute. No, the Anthonys lie on the order of mein kampf; tell a big lie and if you keep telling it long enough, people will finally have no choice but believe it. It didn’t work then, either.
Re:comment#79,this date of june 8th and June16th is really making these people look like the dumb criminals they are.Caylee was visiting her great-grandfather for fathers day and that visit was video taped with the time and date.now unless Cindy or Lee maybe even George changed the time and date on that video,where does the date of June8th fit into this.These people are trying to make the public as well as LE out to look like Idiots by using two different dates as to when they last saw Caylee Alive.They have known all along that this child was dead and as soon as they found out,they went into coverup mode for Casey.For all we know Caylee probably got in the way of the arguement between Cindy and Casey and was somehow fatally injured which is why they are bending over backwards coverig up this crime.It is my hope that they all live to regret the day they chose to lie to LE about this crime.
ps I don’t mean Jesse protecting Casey in the sense of covering up anything or that kind of thing, but just trying to be kind toward her; offer an explanation for her strange behaviors. I’m not saying this well I’m afraid, trying to say he seems like such a decent person.
RE: WHAT LEE DID/WHAT TONY KNOWS
With all due respect-
1. Just because a witness gives a statement, it does not logically follow that everything (or sometimes anything) the witness states is TRUTHFUL.
2. We are not privy to the entirety of the witness statements. They have been REDACTED.
3. With regard to Tony’s statement in particular:
JULY 22, 2008 Taped Transcript of Anthony Lazarro Interview conducted by Corporal Edwards:
EE: Are you, you had stated before that you’re willing to allow us to use some investigative leads that I don’t necessarily want to talk about on tape.
AL: Yes.
EE: Umm, you’re freely giving us that cooperation?
AL: Yes.
4. There is a REASON that Tony wore that WIRETAP for his meeting with Lee.
5. If LE and/or attorneys reviewing witness statement for purposes of trial, and merely accepted the witness statement as TRUE, a large majority of crimes would remain unsolved.
NOW- I ask you this:
Does it MAKE SENSE to you that Casey’s failed attempt to pay a cell phone invoice on line is what caused her computer to delete all files/go to the BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH (only hrs before LE was going to be extremely curious about the contents of the laptop)??
Or does it MAKE SENSE to you that SOMEONE INTENTIONALLY CAUSED THE LAPTOP TO “CRASH”.
http://tweakxp.com/article37502.aspx
Does it make sense
Someone crashed it, and that someone was Lee in the 2 hours it took him to drive the short distance to TL’s to retrieve Casey’s things, which were already neatly packed up as he described in great detail. IMO
B
Red Ranger #77– That is one of my favorite posts here EVER! LOL!
ItsMeLyn #87–
In general, can an attorney or a member of a “team” change trial tactics at any time leading up to (and/or during) trial?? You betcha. (assuming it will be the best strategy for the client/comports with that party’s version of the case/their arguments about what the evidence shows/means, etc)
In particular here? Casey had better hope that Lyons (or that someone with more litigation/trial experience, etc) can change the course of Baez’ strategy, even if it is just about how to properly pursue information during the discovery phase of the case.
There is already an indication that Lyons’ voice is being heard/her experience is being put to use. I am specifically referring to the recent defense motion regarding Tim Miller and the more-narrowly-tailored request for Texas Equusearch documents. Baez failed on his first two motions requesting those documents mainly due to poor lawyering skills. We shall have to see how Strickland rules on the 3rd shot at it, but it’s obvious that Lyons has either been of assistance on that one, or took the reins on it entirely.
Maura #70 Thanks for clearing that up for me. It makes sense.
Computer was not working yesterday after I posted, so have alot of reading to do. I thought I had read just about everything on this case, but OMG, I’m so behind.
Please, you guys, keep up the good work, it surely helps us lesser mortals thinking. Brain does not suck up as much as it once used to.
How can someone like Lyons or Biden stand by and let this case be led by Baez who has little or no skills for such a complicated case? I’ve heard of professional consideration of another person on the “team” – but how is it they can be so patient and NOT want to take over the case as it stands right now? I’ve been in that position of having to take the bull by the horns in order to save the day and it ain’t pretty, but too much is at stake here. He’s bungled this case from the beginning with bad decisions. Egos aside – ethics, professionalism, and plain ol’ common sense have to override the rookie on the case if they truly want to accomplish the best for their client. I know they’re in the “background” quietly doing what they do best, but why do they continue to let Baez lead?
Technically, he is no longer the lead attorney in this case, he is second chair to Lyon. That said, I see him as nothing more than a Barrister Broker.
B
Why did LE ever ever ever, allow the Anthony’s, to get their hands on the laptop to begin with. First, if the place Casey had been hanging out/living with NO child, had something to do with the baby’s situation or not, they should have closed that door on any outsiders coming in to take a role with evidence, or leaving a computer, of all things, in that residence for a third party to take control of.
If a child goes missing because of a parent, abusive family member, they would be the first to want to get their hands on things, so as a matter of proper proceedure, why would they allow this to happen?
Like OSCO officers standing outside the Anthony home (ACCORDING to Lee, of course), so that Cindy could go grab cash and credit cards and ‘almost’ grab the next document in line, when luckily, the officer was quick to notice.
Lee is a somewhat accomplished liar by his own admission– went through a period of lying in high school that he claims was worse than Casey. Interesting that Lee has a possible explanation for the laptop going down, besides the obvious ‘virus’ kicked in at just that particular date and time, easy to blame Casey for it for maybe an innocent transaction, or imply that someone has had the time and forsight as Amy (not Cindy) comes to the door, to delete some key OS files. Right– Casey lived on that computer, she would take the risk of explaining anything to her family that was on it.
One question– the Anthony’s ISP should be able to provide records of internet activity with details. Would that be so also if Casey were hooking into someones wi-fi account to gain free access at Tony’s complex?
The family’s fingers meddling in purses and on keyboards, would have been obvious to detectives from the get-go.
Silverspnr– yes, it’s so important to not take everything at face value. People are clearly suspicious about Annie Downing’s interview as not quite right, Lee’s statements should be taken the same way, with the same amount of questioning, he has a loyalty to Casey like no other.
Blue screen– not buying that at face value especially after ‘watching’ how Lee reacted– his whole upper body, not just his ‘eyes’ rolled in his ‘gosh darn golly gee whiz there-ya-go!’ moment on the car video. This was two weeks after the 15th and only now talking to Tony about this very important ‘resource’ that Casey had used to find her daughter???!! Lee is playing this like an expert, and has George’s experience behind him all the way. This technique of notebooks, how to ‘research’ people, how to get information like a police officer, doesn’t all come off the cuff with Lee, it comes from someone with experience, guiding/advising him on how to investigate.
(goes back to George not wanting Lee to know he was talking to LE that day that LE offered to let Geo and Lee hear the 911 call before it was released to the public– either George did not want any family member to know he was at LE, or he wanted LE to think he was doing this secretly from his wife, Lee included) Maybe at that early date, George was trying to do the best for Casey knowing what was coming down for her, and before he switched sides in the game called ‘finding Caylee’.
Blink, I too had figured that Lee was the one who crashed casey’s computer at Tony’s so that LE couldn’t get into it, but Maura’s post #69 above explains that LE got to Tony’s BEFORE Lee got there. I also thought Lee started contacting all of kc’s friends on her cellphone to give them a heads up about Caylee being missing, and that maybe that had miffed the cops, but once again it sounds like they got to the cellphone before Lee did. So now I am still wondering what Lee “knows” that he did.
Or do you think Lee and Tony are lying about when Lee first got to Tony’s, and the Lee beat LE there?
Le questioned Tony first, correct, however, Lee’s statement clearly reflects HE and HE alone picked up the laptop which was allegedly already crashed per his account. LE never touched that laptop at Lazzaros.
B
You know what I do when re- listening to video/audio of certain people being deposed by KM or JM? I pay attention to the questions that they are asking? I’m thinking these guys have a lot of (insight) into this case.
Blink, of course it does not take someone two hours to crash a computer. Lee doesnt’ know much of course, ’cause he said he had to take his own virus affected data-gone bye bye computer to ‘Best Buy’! Well, ‘LEE’ is saying this for a reason to Tony– excuse for the computer going ‘blue screen’. He also suggests maybe Casey or someone with knowledge, might have removed key OS start-up files.
Lee would have spent some of that 2 hrs, besides the driving time, looking at files, maybe copying onto disks or drives so they would have it, know what Casey was doing and when. They had to want that info for themselves– they would want LE to have it immediately had the child been actually ‘kidnapped’ or if there was a chance she was alive. Maybe Casey had notes on where the child was located, they would not want to destroy that. Did Lee go back home to do this quickly in the privacy (and plug-ins) of his room possibly?
I want to say that in addition to the detectives that were assigned to caylee’s case, and the FBI, if I had been deposed by KM or JM, I would have been reduced to a puddle, (like cindy).
#100 susanm, I listened to the link you provided with ZG on video, my take on that is that I think she is explaining that the Anthony’s are referring to her as ‘zanny the nanny’ and that this is part of her suit–that her children cannot sustain friends, that she is pointed out where ever she goes with this label –not that she calls herself, or that anyone previously called her ‘zanny the nanny’.
a post awhile back can’t remember the number about the experiment with the pig decomposing in the trunk mythbusters show? Didn’t the car still reek of the smell when Henry Sticky fingers Lee went to do is examination of the trunk and car? if so how then could it have been trash that was in the car? from the post earlier about the pig after they detailed and cleaned the whole car the smell was still! there. guess we know why we found armor hamon in the trunk..it all makes sense!! The forensics are right about the trunk..4 noses smelled it Cindy,George,amscot worker, and Melich, let’s not forget about the 2 dogs who hit on the trunk as well! The science is right, and I hope it is let in as evidence, the defense knows that a strong part of the state’s case…and perhaps Ms Baden will do everything possible to get it throwns out…they say it isn’t wildly excepted but coming from Tennessee what techniques or tests they have ever fail..or not been excepted!! As for the other place the university that did the test on the trunk perhaps they need new methods? cuase theirs came back negative wonder what techniques they applied..and the defense will use this.
It had always seemed obvious that Lee crashed the laptop left at Tony’s. My question would be: did he do it because Casey told him to, or because he found something on it he wanted to conceal from LE? Is this why he is being so careful about the obstruction of justice potential charge? or is there something else he has done that he is worried about?
It seemed that the night of July 15, all Casey’s family was assuming she had done something to Caylee. Cindy grabbed onto to “the nanny has her story” like it was a lifeline. With that level of suspicion, fear and emotion, I am not surprised that there was a problem remembering the date they had last seen Caylee. The person who knew better, but went along with it was Casey. She had already used her line about the 31 days since she had seen Caylee. It didn’t fit the June 8 date, but having the corroboration of her family was more important right then.
Annie Downing: a friend doing her best to mitigate the circumstance of what ever had happened. Not so stupid: Baez would have done better to go with the accident/panic defense from the beginning. If Caylee had never been found, maybe the nanny did it would have been just good enough to get Casey off.
For example, if you listen to annie downing’s depo on utube part 7, you will hear questions being asked about the 6 degrees of mcgirth etc.
Maura, I still think that in Cindy’s mind, ‘the date of June 9th’ stuck out for some reason. Not that the mix-up wasn’t a legitimate mistake, but that there is a chance that Casey taking Caylee away on that day, and NOT returning with her until they had at least, slept most of the night away– had to be a concern to Cindy or any person who knew Casey wasn’t so responsible.
Maybe taking Caylee away for a night actually helped Casey get away with it and get away with her stories longer, because she’d kept Caylee away overnight before.
Do we believe Cindy wasn’t worrried when they didn’t come home? Do we believe Cindy when she told FBI’s SB, that Caylee had never been out all night to be returned in the early hours of the following morning- didn’t happen, said Cindy.
Maybe she’s telling the truth, or maybe this is more of the rosey picture she’s painting for authorities.
Whatever, I believe that Caylee being gone all night in early June, was worrying to Cindy and that’s at least a possiblity for her remembering that date, innocently.
‘We are crashing at Zani’s’ was something Cindy told authorites to explain that Casey did keep Caylee out all night at times, and why Cindy wouldn’t worry. Minimizing concerns about the ‘missing’ weeks too.
Crashing at ‘Ricardo’s is likely what happened– Ricardo’s apt photos of Caylee were, as Cindy said ‘told to me time and time again’ that this was Zani’s apartment.
Ricardo has much to offer. Maybe Cindy was used to the baby staying out overnight ‘with Zani’ and Casey and June 9th night made no particular impression on Cindy’s memory. But maybe something about the early morning hours, and the baby’s return, ‘did’. (maybe– not saying it is so)
100 susanm
Susan, she did not say she is known as Zanny the Nanny. She said “that’s what they call me,” but she does not say who “they” are, and I do not believe she was claiming that she was known as Zanny the Nanny prior to July 15.
She has six children in total.
The Sawgrass Apartments are on South Conway in Orlando.
When she was interviewed by Local 6 news last August 7, she said and her boyfriend had visited almost every apartment complex on South Conway, a number of them (including Sawgrass) on June 17. She completed a guest card at Sawgrass and was shown the apartment that she would have rented, which was on the third floor of one of the buildings. She couldn’t recall the apartment number, but she said it was definitely on a third floor, not a second floor. The only people who knew she had gone to Sawgrass were her son and boyfriend, who were with her when she visited Sawgrass. The Sawgrass visit lasted about 15 minutes, and she never returned.
In addition to the son she mentioned, she said in the interview with Local 6 that the hardest part of the situation she was in had been explaining what was happening to her girls (ages 6, 9, and 15).
She has never said anything publicly about her two other children.
During that interivew, she she clarified that her full name is just Zenaida Gonzalez, not Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. She said she uses no middle name.
Local 6 Anchor: “Louis, just to clarify something . . . if you could ask her . . . her name is, in fact, Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, and has she ever been mistaken for another Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez in light of what Cindy Anthony told us?”
Louis Bolden: “Okay, Todd. We do have a number of other questions for Zenaida Gonzalez. She has been gracious enough to do this exclusive interview with us.
LB: First of all, tell me your full name.
ZG: Zenaida Gonzalez.
LB: No middle name?
ZG: No.
LB: Really?
ZG: Yes. It’s just Zenaida Gonzalez.
And her name is just Zenaida Gonzalez. Her 1999 marriage license application was filed in Osceola County Court, and I found the .pdf of that handwritten application. It’s case # 99062623.
The bride and groom had to list their names in a first-middle-last format on the appplication, and she wrote Zenaida (NMN) Gonzalez. NMN means No Middle Name.
Her name is just Zenaida Gonzalez. It is not Zenaida C. Gonzalez, and she has never claimed otherwise. Morgan & Morgan filed the original defamation suit last September claiming her name is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. After it was pointed out by news outlets and Cindy (in her deposition), that the plaintiff’s name is not Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, Keith Mitnik admitted on a talk show (NG or Greta IIRC) that his client’s name is just Zenaida Gonzalez. When Morgan & Morgan filed an amended lawsuit on May 19, they dropped the Fernandez and only referred to the plaintiff as Zenaida Gonzalez.
I know of no instance when the plaintiff or her lawyers claimed her name is Zenaida C. Gonzalez, so I don’t know where you got that information.
Agree– ‘they’ is whoever was talking about ‘Zani/Zanny etc Nanny’ in the media from the start of this Casey Anthony mess.
ZG does not, nor has she worked as a nanny, according to her statements. ‘They’ have tagged her with the name, whoever ‘they’ is, and could include the Anthony camp, or statements made by the media. The confusion is what has harmed her in the first place.
If you listen closely to the interview of Tony and his roommate, at their apartment, when LE visited, had their permission to look through the apartment, you will notice that LE spends time clarifying when Casey was driving what vehicle, with or without permission etc. The investigator is trying to establish when Casey may have driven Tony’s Jeep, as she did with his permission, and that date could have included June 17th– Tony is asked if he learned that someone saw Casey driving his vehicle say on June 17th, if that would fit into when he thought she used the vehicle.
That person’s observations of Casey driving around (and maybe Blink can help out here with a clue or other info) seems to point to Casey being somewhere of importance and that could very well be about her presence at the Sawgrass Apts on June 17th, 2008– the very same date that ZG visited in her search for an apartment. Casey may have heard something (think LP talked about his theory of this fwiw as Casey may have overheard the name and had seen the car with NY plates).
This is alluded to so far (was it Annie’s ex perhaps??). This is also the date that Casey’s ex-best-girlfriend Annie’s ex-boyfriend and friend of Casey, was moving out of Sawgrass Apts. Casey also had a few cop-bf’s at the time and as Casey had the ability and ‘smile’ to manipulate, maybe she got something from them more than the obvious.
It will be interesting to learn more about how ZG was pointed to that apartment block or if this was just pure bad luck in timing to be there specifically when Casey was there for the opportunity to use this info.
What we do NOT know, or what we should not assume from discovery ‘as is’ so far, will be so much more interesting/revealing than what we do know so far. No wonder there is so much speculation.
#120 maura ,semantics? i guess being called zanny the the nanny is different from being known as zanny the nanny,i’ve been looking, and reading, as i look for the guest card,i finally found it after looking hard,on the way to finding the actual guest card ,i happened upon sean krause (btw rip sean krause) http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=942l,i was suprised there was so much discussed about this guest card,(sacred monkeys led to the guest card thankx)that i missed before my initial comment ,but the discussion about the c is there at the sean krause interview page ,i like others wAS not able to watch his and kitchens interview (plug in didnt work)but by reading around the comments was able to get a jist,was hoping someone here watched it. i dont know sean krause’s legitability,but he stands behind that zg stated her daughters (knew?) casey,and there’s alot about the letter c,i personally dont know what the truth is but fishy fishy.garcia’s signature,on his statement, is different than guest card,easily explained away,i guess, but i am sure le got to bottom of,we’ll have to wait,i cant wait for zg’s police interview.and also when yuri went to sawgrass on the 16th he had a paper with 12 photos on it ,garcia identified one,yuri said they were all the same person,IT had to of been casey,because le probably more than likely did not have 12 different versions of zg on july 16 11:00 am ish as they were just arriving to find out about her,(and she she’s not zfg, she’s zg. so le (99.9% sure)would not have photos on her.imo,the WHOLE sawgrass story fishy,wonder which yuri and co team member got to get to the bottom of that one.i am not sure who(exactly is claiming her name is zenaida c gonzalez,but someone is,also there is some talk that the z or s was left off gonzale but the guest card has it?
#80 Jan – I would like to say ditto and thanks to Kleat as well.
Maura – your ability to use discovery in the way of text msgs and phone records and put them into context and the timeline really help put us ‘in Casey’s shoes’ if that’s at all possible. I’ve said this before but you have really helped me to use this information to analyze her behavior and I agree with almost everything you write as ‘your opinion’.
Kleat – Wow. Your posts really make me think hard about my assumptions and I’ve changed my mind about several things that I had just taken for granted due to your clever work and quick wit.
Silverspnr – Thanks so much for putting the legal and procedural things into perspective. I don’t think there is any other site out there that has someone like you able to answer these things accurately and in-depth.
Thanks to all of you so much. And thanks, of course, to Blink for all of the thought-provoking blogs. I started with the Anthony saga but now I’ve become hooked on the Tracy O tragedy as well. I would think it feels good to be an advocate for those who really can use one. A good one. I hope to catch up and learn from you guys about how you research, catalog and cross-reference the information you find. If you ever get the chance it would be great to hear occasionally about your methods.
i just hope the state has a tight eye on all possible back doors,cuz i dont know ,people keep saying jury tamper,or inappropiate forum shopping ,but i pete rose,baez doesnt have that much to lose career wise.,and i m sure he’d rather sell bikinis.
#77 red ranger. I have been wondering if the vaderstag1 and the 6 degrees of mcgirth are the reason both amy AND cindy mentioned to LE that casey had to have had help.
Kleat post 121 — you are awesome as well as so many ohters here– I have this information for June 17 and driving Tony’s jeep.
Chris Stutz receives a visit from Casey who is driving a dark color jeep with New York plates (See discovery, pp. 684-685, 695, 3060-3061). While there, Casey talked about buying a house for she and Caylee and mentioned a house near the dump on Curry Ford. She said that $250,000 was cheap for a house. In addition, she said her parents were getting a divorce because her father was cheating on her mom. (See discovery, pp. 697-698)
maura,#79, so cindy went to mount dora on mAY 31,but she did or did not see alex on sunday the 1 june?cuz that would make three weekends in a row that she went to mt dora.also lee’s very first statement,http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4320677/Casey-Anthony-first-set-of-documents-released page 32 lee,already is fudging the truth,he fails to mention george called him and asked him to go to the house,he’s making it seem that he just stopped by.and i cant find where tony tells le that he and casey apt hunted on the 19th as per casey friend who showed them the apt.OK, HERES PAGE 4 yuri’s report ABOUT SAWGRASS on page 5 THEY DO HAVE A PHOTO ZG,(but this is after sawgrass )(THEY ACTUALLY WERE AT SAWGRASS AT 845 AS A MACKLIN ARRIVES FOR WORK) he doesnt mention harry but on page 60 a macklin tells a version. I dont know i guess yuri went back to sawgrass maybe? or this was a rough draft?
I would like to know a little bit more of the background of GA’s law enforcement days. In stating this, I have been trying to “peel back the layers” of a man who was once “justice-minded” enough to work on the side of the law. Most LE personnel are hard-wired for truth and justice – unless they become corrupt.
I find it difficult to give him any kind of pass for all his lies and contradictons. He carries on with this “charade” of protecting Casey at all costs and continues to side-step the truth of what he actually knows and feels about the murder of Caylee. He used his knowledge of law-enforcement procedures to aid and abet his murderous daughter.
GA was headed in the right direction in the beginning of the investigation of Caylee’s disappearance. Then he caved into Cindy’s demands and became a turncoat. He turned against his call for justice and flat out denied Caylee’s right to have someone in her immediate circle stand up for her and bring out the truth of how and why she died. He can still come foward and make this right – whatever the consequences. He can put an end to this charade and personally and lovingly come foward with everything he knows and get justice for Caylee.
btw.its in the 92 comments section of the zg exposed interview article,that sean krause commenting on his own article once again ascertains that she is known as zenaida c gonzales ,like i said i dont his level of legitamacy.casey still killed her just wonder how and why she weaved this in.
susanm, it was ‘c’ Z-G, not Z c. G
And the C is simply a cross-off. It means nothing. If people are out making something of it, maybe we could have a source for their sources. Maybe it’s the Anthony Cindy Camp people who are making a big deal about this. Cindy did the same thing, as well as big emphasis on the ‘Gonzal-’eee’ as she pronounced it in the depo.
It’s a go-nowhere thing.
Thanks, PB, good digging. Would be interesting to know if Curry Ford was near any of Casey’s ping points, maybe from June 30 or some time she wasn’t boucing back and forth between Amscot, Tony’s and home. Maybe I should dig into that– where the heck are some of her pings and why is she there.
boo, what I find curious about Cindy’s statement that ‘casey had to have help’ is the admission of some compliance in something. She probably accepts that Casey is done for and will be held accountable for her actions but that if she can suggest a shared responsibility, maybe that will go some way towards blaming others for Casey’s actions. It’s a desperate act of a desperate woman. Smoke and mirrors.
lily, thanks! Don’t know how I did that, but thanks!
just a thought on ‘C’ Zaneida mistake. If someone was filling out the card for her and asked her to repeat her name so they could write it down–perhaps she said “Si, Zaneida Gonzolez”–when listening to her speak, I could imagine that mistake also happening with the ending of Gonzolez where there was also a discrepancy-the ez is not pronounced so heavily, sounding like an a sound–causing misspellings and/or mistakes on the card. just speculating
Two thoughts – and this is purely MOO – please nobody take offense – but to speculate about jury tampering as a strategy for the defense is a little far out there. I don’t like Baez anymore than anybody else does but with the publicity of this case it would be pure career suicide to think that 1) a 3rd rate attorney could pull this off – especially after bringing in nationally recognized experts, and 2) that there is any potential juror that wouldn’t know this would be a nationally despised thing to do. I prefer to think that in the end – 99.9% of the time our system works.
Secondly – Zaneida Gonzales has been pulled into this purely because of the fact that she looked at an apt and Casey had access to the sign-in logs while she was looking for something to bolster her inevitable requirement to present some sort of story. This initial thought was planted in her brain through the magic of a silly tv series but that gave her the outline she was looking for and she just needed to fill in the blanks somehow. I may have missed it but I never heard of any real evidence that ZG’s daughters ever, ever said they knew Casey. If there is evidence of that – would someone point me in that direction? Otherwise ZG is and will always be something CA pulled out of her @ss like so many other lies.
131 kleat. Yes very curious, that cindy would have left such an incriminating message early on. Other than casey herself I have always wondered who cindy was referring to. And she was threatening the detective, to follow the leads the was providing or she would go to the media. Who was she pointing the finger at? Her own son Lee? Or was she implicating a phantom accomplice? Very curious and very desperate.
lily, poor ZG (the real one), getting dragged into this. It is just so very odd that she happened to go to Sawgrass. Then there’s the bit about a break-in to (a different?) ZG’s office, where a laptop or computer was stolen. Some wonder whether kc had something to do with THAT. In fact, Blink writes about it in an interesting article called “Zenaida Gonzalez & Annie Leigh Downing’s Excellent Adventure: Zannie and Annie Go to Traffic Court.” Here’s a snippet from it:
06/09/08 – An office belonging to a Zenaida Gonzalez, is burglarized and her computer stolen. This is also the original date that Casey gives for Caylee’s abduction by Zenaida. Casey and Caylee sleep at Ricardo’s that night. Is this the night she took her home in the middle of the night?
I have always thoughT that it was herself and her son lee cindy has been trying to protect as much as casey. But I sure find it interesting that annie suddenly needed to see casey and I quote, because of some stuff I am goin through. WTH?
the anthonys make me sick . i hope that one day little caylee will get the justice she deserves .
Hey Boo, I think it is actually just a tremendous coincidence that LA has Vader on his license plate and James Hataway has Vader in his Myspace name. Funny though that they both did, considering they were not even born when Darth Vader made his debut.
I would like to read Annie D. and Tony L.’s redacted bits. I am thinking that if Casey pleads, none of the redacted and unreleased info will ever see the light of day, unless used to prosecute others for their crimes committed after the initial murder. A & Z’s excellent adventure details are probably contained in there as well. I will also wonder in perpetuity what the smug, chuckling buffoon actually spilled to AL when AL was wired. Each true answer still brings ten more questions. Each lie brings 30…..
I think it is particularly interesting that John Dill, did not “go there” with Annie. That interview would have gone differently had Conway not had a “sick day” earlier that morning. It was a plan B deposition with Annie for obvious reasons. Did I mention I heart John Morgan?
B
Haven’t read too much of Sean Krause except the LE interview some time ago (have to refresh), but know that Cindy was feeding his stories. Cindy had the C. Z-G w/out E story down pat– probably hers and Casen’s (ok, that’s with a ‘k’).
I think it’s source is Cindy and crew.
#138 red and blink yeah I noticed how jd didn’t want to go there with annie in the endshe got really upset, did you get that info from casey’s new friends or old friends. Always wondered why annie would suddenly want to throw herself in the middle of an obvious murder investigation. Telling geo and cindy, I sure would like to talk to casey about some stuff I am going thru.and casey’ odd remark “when all is said and done I have so much to tell YOU ANNIE. Don’t think she was referring to caylees fate, exactly. I think JM and ;JD really ask the hard questions. I love listening to all their depo’s. That is creepy that LA and hataway refer to Vader.
Blink,
Now dang it, I’ve had my eye on John Morgan from jump. He had me at hello, said in his gawgeous southern drawl.
You can’t be content with Leonard AND NeJame? Sheesh!
lol
I met him in JUU LIE.. Sorry, could not help it
B
ps. Yes or No As you like it!!
For those of you who are concerned:
Jury tampering is not a “defense strategy”. It is a crime, and a serious one at that.
If an attorney engages in it, he/she is not just risking a professional license, but also his/her personal freedom depending on the nature and extent of it. For example, a lawyer can be accused of jury tampering merely by discussing the case in a hallway of the courthouse IF that discussion was within earshot of a single juror.
To put it mildly, this is not an offense which is taken lightly by the courts.
Kleat-
Regarding the laptop/why the police didn’t just take it from Tony’s apartment on the evening of July 15th (assuming they knew it was even there and had reason to believe it held information which might be valuable to the investigation):
The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution places limits on LE to make arrests, search people and their property, and seize objects, documents, and even contraband (e.g. illegal drugs and weapons).
Here it is:
The Fourth Amendment:
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, an effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
Search and seizure law is very complex. It is constantly evolving (due to the ever changing nature of the circumstances giving rise to legal challenges about its scope). American judges have literally written THOUSANDS of court opinions interpreting the Fourth Amendment and explaining what a “reasonable search” is, for example. Legal scholars have written entire books about it.
Remember, the police were still taking statements from the family/just beginning to investigate the stories they were provided. Casey was not yet a suspect, let alone under arrest. Her family members were corroborating some key portions of her statement, such as the date/time anyone else last saw Caylee.
Yes, the 31 days was suspicious at the get-go. But that is not enough.
The police can’t just say, “Hey, Judge, give me a warrant, because I subjectively believe I need one” and expect to get one. They have to show PROBABLE CAUSE.
IMO, the ONLY way they could have seized the laptop that night would have been if Cindy/the owner had given them CONSENT. (not sure if Casey’s consent would also have been required or not– haven’t done the research)
This is really a tricky area of law, and I hesitated to bring it up, because I don’t wish to engage in endless debate here about a topic which we cannot possibly resolve.
I hope that this at least answered your question (to an extent).
Feel free to read up on the topic, because the cases are actually fairly interesting, and it can give you an idea how a seemingly simple SENTENCE can spark so much controversy/be subject to so much judicial interpretation (thanks to arguments made by counsel on both sides of the aisle).
OK–that is my last post for a bit–
Heading off for a few days of vacation.
Be well, one and all.
Thank you for your very thorough explananation and I hope that those unfamiliar will take the time to review it. However, wouldnt the plain site exclusion work here? Couldn’t a cop have said is that yours to Tony, he says no it is Casey’s (he would probably not have knowledge it was Cindys) therefore if he gave them permission to take it from his residence, due to the fact she would have no expectation of privacy in a home not her own, and with a computer you could make the argument she “abandoned”.
Regardless, they will know what time the system crashed, and what time her Yahoo account was deleted and from where. My guess is that is why Lee is laying low, and why he needed his own lawyer.
B
Now you two!!! Sorry to tell you girls, but I think the girl who has a piece of that tough as nails lawyer’s heart is little Caylee because although Caylee’s interests are not foremost in the civil case for ZG and the lawyers don’t work for Caylee, Caylee is being served by the truth that will come out on behalf of ZG. Sort of an arm’s length, pro-bono, unofficial, ‘accidental’ GAL.
You two have to take a number and stand in line!!!
You have awesome taste, JM seems like excellent people to me and wicked smart.
Lol, He is both, and it makes MN jealous when I say that, teehee.
B
Darth Vader– comments just reminded me that there is a photograph of Caylee with her Princess Leah costume on. What role does that leave for Casey in the cast? The other characters all have personalities.
Oh and did I ever mention how oogy I think lee is? Although smug chuckling buffoon is a great description of Lee.
Oh and about that little white dog. Is that the same white dog people use to explain all those single car accidents I.e. Well, officer I swerved to avoid a little white dog in the road, lost control and hit the tree. I read that somewhere, how often that little white dog shows up in people’s statements, can’t remember where tho.
I recall Cindy saying that she goes to see her dad almost every weekend in Mt Dora, so I understand her getting the dates wrong. I also remember reading that george & cindy were paid $200,000 for their appearance on the tv show that was taped the day caylees bones were uncovered. I guess they would have paid all of it to the lawyers, and that would be for starters. Just imagine how much casey`a interview would be worth. I also remember that shirleys sister had offered money if cindy needed it to live on if she kicked george out, and also something mentioned of another well to do relative, so maybe they help out with lawyers expenses altho I would think they would have to believe casey didnt kill caylee to be willing to help her out. I sure wouldnt help someone I thought was guilty.
I do really have a hard time believing that cindy and george had anything to do with the murder of caylee , or even an accident including cindy and casey as someone suggested, cindy would have known first aid, and would have called an ambulance immediately. I just dont think they started off in this story as evil people. They certainly in my mind make a huge mistake enabling casey, that brought casey to where she is today, but I would be quite surprised if they really knew casey didnt work. To me it seems like they didnt really know the depths of casey, and I dont think they had any reason to think casey would kill caylee when she was gone for that month. I guess I just dont understand why people kill in general and why anyone defends a killer, I am just glad casey was never my daughter.
Was this the backpack someone recently asked about ? I could be wrong, might not have been this one but ran across this tonight
INCIDENT TYPE: Suppiement Homicide
CASE NUMBER #; 08- 069208
CASE NUMBER #:08-074777
CASE NUMBER #:08-122093
Related case # FBI Case ID # 7A-TP-71176
(ORI) NUMBER: FL0480000
DATE: February 27, 2009
LOCATION ; 4536 South West 35th Street
Orlando, F! 32811
TIMES: Received: 0800 hours/Arrived: 0850 hours/Cleared: 1000 hours
INVESTIGATOR: CSI Gerardo Boise, #2333, Forensic Unit
DETECTIVE: Yuri Melich, # 11, Child Abuse Unit
VICTIM: Anthony, CayLee Marie W/F- 2 D.O.B. 8-9-05
4937 Hopespring Drive
Orlando, FI 32812
SUSPECT: Anthony, Casey Marie W/F- 22 D.O.B. 3/19/86
4937 Hopespring Drive
Orlando, FI 32812
EVIDENCE: Tag #J-60340, Numbers of Items Submitted -2-
NARRATIVE: On February 27, 2009 at approximately 0800 hours I was instructed by Supervisor
Ronald Murdock II to go to the Evidence Unit in order to process for possible latent fingerprints and
collect swab samples from the following item.
Dora backpack “Dora the Explorer” (Art # 4, Item # H- 51975)
At approximately 0850 hours I arrived at the Evidence Unit and I collected a sealed box containing the
Dora backpack. I opened the box and I made an inventory of the Dora Backpack which contained the
following items:
Front zipper pocket:
1. Violet light color comb
2. Toothpaste “Spider-Man” with # 03-2010
3. Toothbrush “Reach”
Inside the backpack:
1. Two.pull-ups.
2. One pack of Nice”n Toddler serial # 748754530
From the first pocket of the backpack I retrieved the following items:
■ Violet light color Comb.
■ Toothpaste “Spider-Man” with # 03-2010.
■ Toothbrush “Reach”
From inside the backpack I retrieved the following Item:
■ Nice’n Toddler clean wipes (pack) serial # 7488754530.
I processed for possible latent fingerprints the items mentioned above using black powder. No latent
was found.
I collected swab samples from the following Items:
■ Swab sample from violet light color comb. ( Art # 1, Item # 3- 60340)
» Swab sample from Nice’n Toddler clean wipes (pack) serial # 7488754530. ( Art # 2, Item #
3- 60340)
Per instruction of ASL Michael Vincent, also I collected the following pieces of evidence:
• Sealed yellow envelope containing swab samples. ( Art # 1, Item # H-52099)
• Sealed-yellow envelope containing swab samples. (Art # 2, Item # H-52099) …
• Sealed yellow envelope containing swab samples. (Art # 3, Item # H-52099)
At approximately 1704 hours the pieces of evidence mentioned above were transferred to CSI-I Jenny
Welch. Upon completion of my assignment no further requests were made of this investigator.
I think Rob is hot!
Blink do you have any way of finding out who visited the clerks office and got copies of ZG22′s traffic case on April 10, 2009? I was re reading and clicking away yesterday when I checked that one again and it appears someone got copies on 4/10/09.
1/12/2009 ZENAIDA GONZALEZ Assessment $7.00 MISDEMEANOR D6 FEE
4/10/2009 ZENAIDA GONZALEZ Assessment $3.00 COPIES
4/10/2009 ZENAIDA GONZALEZ Payment $3.00 PAYMENT
I still can’t put these 2 in the same car the date of the ticket… 2 different officers on the tickets, Annie claims in her Morgan depo she was alone in the car at the time of her ticket under oath.. am I missing something here?