Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: New Discovery Released – Lee Anthony Granted Immunity?
Orlando, Florida– Over 1500 pages of New Discovery have been released by the State’s Attorney’s Office in the Case against Casey Anthony for the murder of 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony.
A source speaking on condition of anonymity to blinkoncrime.com, believes almost half of the information contained in the reports relates to Jesse Grund, Casey’s former fiancee’.
SOURCE LINKS TO DOCUMENTS (11:05AM):
http://www.wesh.com/news/20224026/detail.html
Parts 1–18 at above link
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for updates and source links as they become available.
WFTV is reporting the Lee Anthony has been granted immunity prior to his deposition by the State’s Attorney’s office this morning. Blinkoncrime has not been able to corroborate this report at the time of this posting. Lee is also facing a motion to compel his testimony in the civil case against his sister, lodged by Zenaida Gonzalez through her attorney John Morgan.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
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Yesterday o njvm issues, she had stacey honowitz fl prosecuter and jane weintraub discussing the cindy anthony depo. Sh states one of the reasons state is deposing cindy is about the pi’s associated with the ants were at the location significantly before caylee was found, and where they got the tip from. Here is the link http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/29/jvm.01.html
Theresa, there’s confusion over this– we have to hold horses on this one until reviewing Cindy Anthony’s depo with John Dill, around 40 minute mark, Part 1, recorded Apr 9, 2009.
But for now, don’t think Baez went into crime scene and took stuff. But don’t know how Baez got the ‘straightening iron’ and had it for ‘months’ as the report states as Cindy claims in her Mn’M depo, that SHE gave it to John Allen at sherriff’s dept. Got to review all this. Cindy definitely does not say that she gave it to Baez though. Something needs clarifying here.
Begs the question though– was Cindy knowingly telling John Dill that she had instead, given the straightening iron to John Allen and Carrie Roderick (missing persons ) and how did Baez get the stuff?? Can’t imagine LE handing over evidence to the accused’s lawyer!
And, to the history of the straightening iron in the Anthony household, Cindy stated in the Mn’M video, that she saw it about ‘a year ago’ (that would be April 2007) and asked Casey about it and Casey said Zanny gave it to her.
That was during Casey’s ‘short hair’ period of time.
#91 ew ew ewwwwww lee better hope he didnt lie, if he ends in general population his ass is owned by the cops,(he hired a anticop lawyer to protect him from the cops questions)eww ,i hear the cops will bargin w/a fellow inmate to beat up a cop enemy.
Oops try this link re jvm issues, she had stacey honowitz fl prosecuter and jane weintraub discussing the cindy anthony depo. Sh states one of the reasons state is deposing cindy is about the pi’s associated with the ants were at the location significantly before caylee was found, and where they got the tip from. Here is the link http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/29/ijvm.01.html
Kleat
statement 08/07/08: Cindy Anthony-”I found a hair straightener today as I was putting away…”(page 4)…she gave it to OSCO. I don’t believe it was ever in Baez’s possession. I wrote to you a few posts ago, to zoom in on the document where they collected property from Baez, it is a “hair scrunchie”, you know one of those ties for pony tails in little girls’ hair. No list of the straightener. His evidence was only collected by OSCO in March of this year. Where did you all find out when he first took them?
Hair straightener FYI, regardless of straight or curly, long or short hair, people use straighteners. My hair is very straight on its own but to achieve the absolute straight look style you use this iron. Just throwing that out there for the she had straight hair already, she had really short hair, its used for certain styling.
Thanks, Kleat. I was being a smart alec. Your niece is murdered by your sister, but YOU need a lawyer & immunity? Something is wrong with that scenario, imho.
Hi, Blink- I got my answer to previous question I had asked on last thread, Comment #328……
Re: What was the new timeline for the Anthony trial.
Unfortunately, it was just what was being rumoured earlier this year that it won’t be until 2010. Wow. =( I’m sure you and lots of your bloggers know this, just wanted to repost it for any other intermittent bloggers who were wondering. Thanks
Anthony Trial Delayed Until At Least 2010
Judge Rules To Allow News Outlets To Argue For Anthony Jail Video
POSTED: 11:48 am EDT July 7, 2009
UPDATED: 1:18 pm EDT July 7, 2009
******From the Orlando Sentinel:*****************
ORLANDO, Fla. — The Oct. 12 trial date for Casey Anthony has been canceled.
A status hearing on when the trial will go forward is scheduled for Jan. 21.
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(Now- I’m thinking April- June 2010 –if we’re lucky!) Unbelievable
Just an F.Y.I.
I think it was Kleat that commented on the umbilical cord, not positive though, and have gone cross-eyed from reading too much today, so don’t want to scroll back and check. Anyway, just wanted to say that believe it or not, YES people do save the umbilical cords from birth. Oddly enough, at the Babies R’ Us store, they even have little glass or silver cases that you can put them in. The cases come open in the package, but once you place the cord inside, it seals and supposedly won’t open again. Odd keepsake, but to each his own I suppose. Just thought that might help in trying to figure out why or who would save such a thing. It wasn’t something I did when I had my children, however, it seems to be a growing trend now, quite common in fact.
#97 FairWitness. Well what startled me about Luka’s comment is that a poster used those exact words “lee spilled” when he/she? and I were discussing lee’s wiretapped conversation with TL. Makes me wonder who really does read here.hmmmmm
lol lol dee
make sure you buy lots of bags of popcorn and something to wash it down with! cuz it’s gonna be a long road ahead. I cant see how with all the evidence that the prosecutions has! that casey could walk and and theres no way Jesse Grund will pay for caseys crime. sorry cindy isnt that smart. Her lies and her facts are all lies. I read the transcripts where they were questioning her and she portrayed casey as the great mom that used her(cindy) as a role model . she even lied and said that her and casey were close and that casey never lied she had lots of friends that sought her for advise(cant believe it) yuk!!
LET’S SEE HOW MANY COME FOWARD ON HER BEHALF!!! as character witnesses! or anyone to even claim her as a friend! the nerve to try to pin this on jesse and amy claiming that amy is the blonde nanny.. now we see how casey came out to be a liar … its ovious by listening to cindy!! the woman is OFF THE HOOK!!!
all those lies are going to come out and bite her and casey in the bootie!!!! BIGGITME. Maybe baez should have told his client to at least act like she was grieving. she showed no grief no worry about her missing daughter. never did she ask about her daughter. Rick cindys brother will be a witness to the dynamics of that family and of course cindys mother shirley will also speak of how they enabled casey…. I have faith in god that Justice will be served for lil caylee!!! casey will rot in jail!! and the anthonys will grow old without casey or caylee. If I was morgan !! lees girlfriend I would run!! dont let cindy near your kids if you have any !!!
Thanks Wendy #110.. I thought it odd on keeping the umbilical cord, but then again my youngest is 25 and no grand kids here. Just never thought of it…. learn something new everyday here
IA #107 NanaStacy… I have horse hair straight hair and my hairstylist uses a flat iron (straightener iron) on my hair when she cuts it. Now a chemical relaxer… can’t see KC using one of those from my professional (ex cosmetologist) opinion. So IMO KC could have been using a flat iron on her hair to smooth it out etc.
I know Boo, that was very strange terminology. Funny you should wonder if Luka was a reader here. I actually posted a message directly to the Anthonys today, in case they are also reading this site. Not that they’d listen to anything I’d have to say.
If the A’s can wear the ashes of Caylee in jewelry, then I guess they can keep the umbilical cord in a case?
I thought this was interesting!
P. 62 lines 14-17
CA: And Casey said, and I’m not sure how she said it, but she said, I don’t want to disrupt her life. Because fom here on out Caylee’s life will never be the same. And I never understood what she meant by that. And I didn’t want to ask her that ’cause I wasn’t sure.
Westsidehudson, mea culpa– here’s the source, I ‘blended’ the two subjects, one about the hair straightener timeline and the other list.
http://www.wesh.com/video/20229004/index.html
Duh, thank you for being observant and catching that!!
Sorry, I don’t have a supply of Blinkbiscuits, but if I did, you’d get a whole fresh batch!!
#115 rein. LoL. Ditto on your post, can you imagine?
#114 FairWitness. Yeah your post #76 I thought it was excellent.
Okay…I have to respond.
First, I will be 45 next month. I didn’t keep my childrens’ umbilical cords, but I know quite a few people who kept those, as well as first hair clippings, first teeth, tshirt and tiny hat and diaper sent home with baby. While it may not be your or my thing, it isn’t perverse or weird.
Second, if your own child hasn’t died, you might not know or understand that parents OFTEN keep a small amount of the child’s ashes in a piece of jewelry. OFTEN, a child’s remains will be interred or released, and the parent is reluctant to let “all of them go”. You really don’t know what you’d do about YOUR OWN child or grandchild dying unless it happens to you. I have to tell you that those two comments re the umbilical cord and ashes in jewelry are offensive to me, and I fully expect they’d make it to the list that we bereaved parents sometimes talk about at our monthly child-loss support meetings… the list of the most egregious, stupid, or thoughtless comments made. Do you think that you’re attacking a random person? Just some person for you to unleash your judgment on? I agree that these people (the As) appear to have lied in the face of the horror of their grandchild’s (and niece’s) death. Attacking them for keeping some of the baby’s ashes in an amulet? Who are you to judge? Go talk to a mortician! Go ahead. Go online and look for that type of jewelry. Check out some of the child-loss boards. And stop objectifying them. It’s as bad as them lying. It really is. What despicable person goes around attacking a parent or grandparent for how they bury their kid. Jesus.
I do understand the nature of this site, and I am all for putting child-murderers away. If every child-murderer who was found guilty was executed (swiftly), it’s likely that you’d see fewer people murdering children.
That said, you know what…it is so pathetic and petty and judgemental and mean-spirited to make those sorts of attacks. It may not be YOUR thing, but then again, maybe YOU didn’t lose a child. Each person handles it in their own way.
Shame shame shame on people taking pot shots like that.
As for the lying… condemn them for their lies. Don’t make the false assumption that you have the capacity to judge anyone’s heart, though, or understand their motivations. By this, I am referring to the As (not KC, but her brother and parents). You absolutely do not know what you’d do if it happened to you, UNTIL it happens to you.
The negative comment about the ashes really really pisses me off. How dare you! Take your kid from the morgue, have them embalmed, then have his body burned up, and TELL ME THEN about your preferences. While my 7th grader son is buried, I attended the funeral of a 12-year-old boy about a year and a half after my boy’s death. We received a call on our answering machine from my son’s best friend, who had moved out of state, his friend sounded like he was choking back sobs, and left a callback number. We had just returned from a trip to the coast when we heard the message, and when my younger son called the boy back, he told him about his (the friend’s) little brother. He asked if we would come. The family of that boy handled his death COMPLETELY differently than I would have EVER fathomed. They stayed there when he was put (he was in a “disposable/burnable wooden coffin”), and they stayed there as he was put in the…whatever they call it….crematorium, maybe? They watched them put him in the flames, and the door shut. And YOU KNOW WHAT? I flew 4 states away to support that family when their son died by suicide…imagine a little tiny boy dying by suicide, and the devastation of his family, and THEY ASKED me to stay when they put the little boy in the oven. And I did. I stayed there. Much to my horror, believe me…but it was the thing to do for these people who just lost their little boy. And YOU KNOW WHAT? His mother ALSO wears an amulet with a small amount of his ashes in it. I have another friend who lost her 13-yr-old son very near the same time as my son’s death. He was cremated, she released his ashes into the ocean off the coast of Maui….she TOO wears an amulet with a small amount of his ashes in it.
I hope to God that it was Casey Anthony who murdered Caylee. I really do, because if it wasn’t, if, by some bizarre, remote, seemingly impossible chance people have gone to the lengths to make the horrrrible comments that have been made, and she did NOT… or … if the As are just crazy as hell, and handling their traumatic loss in a way that we all think we’re wayyyyy to good to, then every person making judgemental comments on “she doesnt care” “didnt love caylee” the comments about he ashes, countless comments… all of them…they’ll be on your own conscience(s) to deal with.
So…may God see to it that whoever participated in the murder of Caylee Anthony, a real person…not an ANGEL, and not a doll, and not a picture that you see online, but a reallll person, every bit as tangible as you or me, or any of our children…may WHOEVER…whether it is one or more of them… may they be discovered, prosecuted to the full extent of the law, die in jail, and burn in hell.
Ok Mack-
1. I did not see anyone villafying the A’s for the amulet ash jewelry, if there was, and it was disrespectful, please point it out and it WILL be removed. My personal opinion comes from the loss of my beloved niece who at 14 lost her battle with Ewings Sarcoma. Her Mom wore her ashes for a time after her passing and it brought her great comfort. They asked me if I would like some, and for me, a parent with 2 small children who were also grieving her, it was more than I felt they could comprehend, but otherwise I probably would have. Grief is almost as vile as the cancer itself in that, you feel like you should look ill on the outside, but all the illness is in your heart. In our case, I was glad to know she was cremated, her cancer treatments had bloated her tiny frame by 45 pounds, her glasses had to rest on her her cheeks and it literally broke my heart, and for me, I used it as an FU to her cancer.
That said, I admit to having all of the above saved for both my children. If that grosses anyone out, or seems perverse, well then, hav at it. My sun rises and sets for my babies and I don’t give a rats bippy, truly. I know everyone has come to loathe these people for their behavior, I admit I am one of them, but I would not wish a loss on anyone, I just wish they would honor Caylee’s legacy and restore the dignity of her place with them. They are alot of things, but they loved this baby more than anything, of that I am sure.
I understand for alot of people that critisizing the A’s has become a way of venting your frustration and horror at their antics. I get that. I am just asking everyone ( and it is very, very, limited on here so I commend all for that) to remember this one thing. This baby loved them too. I believe she would want everyone to remember that aspect and respect her Universe for it. I try to remind myself of that constantly so I am among you.
As far as your comment you asked me not to post, I will not, but wanted you to know the child you referenced has the same name as my son.
B
JESSE GRUND
Other than the transcripts of FBI interviews of Cindy Anthony and George Anthony (which were previously made available in audio months ago), the overwhelming majority of NOVEL information contained in yesterday’s release concerns JESSE GRUND.
While it may be interesting to read about his educational/employment history/application to the police dept/ on-the-job training– and his “issues”, there is a larger value that all here must see (because it is so very obvious).
Before we state the OBVIOUS though, let us all appreciate the picture of this young man.
Apparently, Jesse Grund is very difficult on HIMSELF, and hence, he lacks maturity on certain levels, such as accepting criticism, whether it be entirely constructive (by a well-intentioned instructor/supervisor), or whether it be less than constructive (for whatever reason).
Apparently, Jesse Grund had a little habit of placing HIMSELF in danger in professional settings.
NOT OTHERS, mind you. Just HIMSELF. And certainly not intentionally. Just a matter of failure to adhere to instruction, in general. (he is often far too trusting of others).
While he is bright enough to prepare reports,etc.. he appears to lack some skills that are/would be crucial to his performance as a LE officer on the job. He tends to miss some details.
(just like any other apprentice on another job, he misses details that a mentor can point out, etc– the difference for LE officers could be LIFE or DEATH though, so… that was clearly a concern).
How fitting that we just recently touched upon the Fourth Amendment/the law of Search and Seizure before this latest document disclosure. Notice how much attention is paid to this subject during Jesse Grund’s on-the-job instruction.
In any event,
the REAL “revelation” here is his work schedule in the months leading up to and after June 15, 2008.
Regardless of how fine/upstanding an individual he is/has the reputation for being, we can now see that it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for him to be (as Cindy would enjoy to have the public believe) “Zanny”.
If anyone of her friends would have needed to hire a REAL babysitter to care for Caylee, it was JESSE GRUND.
The guy was WORKING/STUDYING.
He wasn’t spending so much time chasing Casey around as Cindy and George and Lee would like people to suspect.
Here is the relevant “revelation”:
JESSE GRUND WAS AN APPROPRIATELY BUSY GUY, TRYING HIS HARDEST TO LAUCH A CAREER, AND HENCE (FOR YET MORE REASONS) HE CAN EASILY BE CROSSED OFF THE LIST OF SUSPECTS (THAT CINDY ET AL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FOLKS BELIEVE IS A LEGIT LIST IN THE FIRST PLACE).
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LEE/LUKA
Appears that Luka brokered the deal for immunity. My guess is that he is leaving the case either because LEE cannot afford the representation anymore.. OR because LEE has agreed to retain new counsel (or example if Luka expressed to Lee that he no longer wished to represent him.)
There just is NO WAY that the lawyer’s “job” is complete under these circumstances (with a CONDITIONAL grant of immunity).
Lee may well have finally “spilled” it (not sure why that terminology is being dissected here), but even so… one would want to retain counsel for the duration. That would be the prudent path, and one that any attorney in Luka’s position would recommend.
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Got NUTHIN for you guys on the hair straightener topic, other than the obvious: there goes Cindy again, trying to SPINDY the “Zanny” story.
Cheers!
I agree on all points on Jesse. However, I do think Casey was circling him like a buzzard after she killed Caylee; as a possible patsy.
Luka and Conway share an office, the only thing I can come up with is that there is the possibility that the A’s may face criminal charges as a result and Luka through his ethical obligation went over the disclosures of what that means in an office sharing scenario. I am of the opinion though that Luka funds were probably cut off since Lee struck a deal.
B
FairWhitness, A great message to the crazy A’s. Hope they read it. On the flip side, Cindy will never admit that she has fallen for all her daughters stories. She seems to be the kind of person that will not give in. Her daughter has made a fool of her, but she has to much pride to admit she is so wrong, even if its the death of her grandaughter. The lies will catch up with her. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that none of the three knew who Zanny was at the time of her first arrest from home, so how could she mention to detectives that she new that Zanny had given her this straightener a year before. Oh it just pops in her mind that yes, I know who Zanny is, and oh yes we have a mattress that she brings with her. I really think cindy was going through the house and found things to be able to make up the story as things unfolded.
George will crumble if he doesn’t step aside from all this and tells everything he knows.
Lee likes the feeling of being a detective. When talking to Casey in jail videos, its almost like he is enjoying the mystery. I also think it makes him feel like he is the better child.
Just another note-
If you found it painful to LISTEN to Cindy and/or George, here is an excellent opportunity to take your time and READ their FBI interviews.
Note the discrepancies about June 24th/the gas can incident/the tale of WHEN Casey stopped at the house this incident, etc.
We all know that Cindy’s account of the timeline in this area has been patently suspect from the start, but what about George’s account??
(Ahem-notice what he tells the FBI about what he said to Casey when she stopped by the house that day. He CLAIMS to have said that he questioned her about CAYLEE’s whereabouts, having not spoken to her in TWO WEEKS already. ????????? This was June 24th– only about ONE WEEK after he (allegedly) saw Caylee ALIVE the day he was busy watching the food network and observed Casey and Caylee leaving the house for the last time).
(Ahem. Notice what he says about the DATE they received the certified letter about the car being towed).
(Ahem. Notice the discrepancies about the payment transaction at Johnson’s).
(Ahem. Notice how he says he came upon the idea to BRING GAS CANS to Johnson’s. (WAIVING HELLO AT CINDY–yet AGAIN).
(Ahem. Notice what time he said he needed to be at work on the previous day.. and the time he said he was supposed to be at work on July 15th–vs what he DID, timing wise, on JULY 15th).
(Ahem. Notice how he admits he took the battery out of the car to stop CASEY from coming home to get the car, vs Cindy claiming that they removed the battery to stop some unknown/shadowy figure from doing so).
(Ahem. Notice how he admits to trying to rid the car of THAT SMELL, which he clearly understood from experience was the smell of HUMAN DECOMP).
(Ahem. Notice how he PRETENDS to confuse the scent the police dogs were searching for IN HIS YARD. They were not there to search for the scent of CAYLEE. They were there to search for the scent of HUMAN DECOMP.)
TO make the above come across as intended–
Did any of you during your childhood have access to picture “games”, particularly those that were/are popular in a periodical known as “HIGHLIGHTS”??
Just for the sake of posterity:(plus the Casey At The Bat picture–which, while inapposite, still caught my eye for the sake of some wordplay)
Hoping you enjoy this reminder of youth:
http://www.highlightsteachers.com/archives/hidden_pictures/casey_at_the_bat_by_timothy_davis.html
I have never believed for 10 seconds that Casey was there on the 24th. You will notice you have 2 stories that George has almost miraculous acuity recall syndrom for. The “Goodbye at 12:50 PM” on 6/16, and the “Here’s Your F-N gas cans” Meeting on 6/24/09. I do not believe either of those occurred. Here’s my personal tip in reviewing GA statements as to whether or not he is telling the truth:
1) If he spells anything out in the sentence, it is a lie.
2) If he uses the phrase “I know that for a doggone fact” or “Yes Sir, Absolutely” he is lying.
I think maybe the biggest reason I cant stand George because he is nothing like my own Father. My Daddy worked his azz off at jobs he did not like when I was young to support his family and never looked for a lazy mans out or scheme; he would never have taken a chance like that. He has never and would never tell a lie for anyone or anything, let alone for someone that may or may not have harmed his granchildren. He is a man of honor and integrity and the saddest times in my life are the only times I ever disappointed him. I admit it was not until I became a parent myself that I truly understood the value in this. When I was young I wanted my parents to be like some of the other kids whose parents wanted to be their friends, and did their bidding.
This is what I have always been most afraid of in this case. My fear is that the hate people hold for these people will hold them back from absorbing the lessons that come from a case like this. Enabling your children for any reason, will never end well. Integrity and Humility are the two cornerstone lessons we should be imparting and living, imo. This is not a soapbox soliloquy, I am as flawed as the next person, I just have to believe if we all have even a little of this in our quiver, we will live a better quality of life as will our families; We owe it to Caylee as well.
B
OH. And notice how George, while admitting his serious history of financial troubles/irresponsibility, tends to suggest that he is this wonderful, financially responsible DAD/GRANDFATHER??
All of his, “WE” paid for this/”WE” paid for that nonsense.
Sad but true?
CINDY –much as we may find her unlikable/abrasive, to put it MILDLY, is the one who paid for pretty much everything, including the food that fed Caylee; the clothing she wore; the diapers and formula and other items that kept her in good health.
YOU, George??
Let’s see:
OFTEN FAILED TO MAKE TIMELY PAYMENTS ON THE 2 OR 3 MONTHLY BILLS THAT WERE ASSIGNED TO YOU BY YOUR WIFE.
GOOD GOING. Keep up that internet gambling hobby. Keep sitting around watching the FOOD NETWORK. Keep LYING about when you last saw your grand daughter ALIVE.
Sorry, buy I have far less sympathy for this guy that many seem to hold.
How OBVIOUS is it that he KNEW what we all suspected early on, and yet… kept trying to point out INNOCENT PERSONS to LE as possibly responsible???
OMGosh. He didn’t like JESSE because of how Jesse was DRESSED on their first meeting at the hospital??!Is HE FOR REAL? (this kid–who KNEW by the sheer MATH that he could not have been Caylee’s biological father– still showed up to support Casey).
I could go on.
And I don’t care what he told Padilla that makes him seem like he was the only “good guy” in that house.
He does not get a pass by me.
Here is a neat little literary reference (because FICTION, when observant and well-written, is as valuable a source for those of us who seek to understand the human condition as is a MESS that humans can make of REALITY).
http://www.enotes.com/catbird-seat
(hint: George is “Erwin Martin”; Cindy is “Ulgine Barrows”).
Whoa Silvr- a non LexisNexis referencable and entirely emotional post by you, ending with flare!! I love it.
Teasing, I agree completely. Nobody is ever going to explain the whole money loss scam to me in a way I would ever understand it.
B
The funeral home that sold the jewelry to my friend in the southwest used the term amulet, and that is what the necklace she bought reminded me of. A small vessel, attached to a necklace, bracelet, or pin. I looked them up, and they are presently marketed as
“Cremation Jewelry”. Not at all uncommon.
This is an example of how they’re marketed.
“Recognizing the impact a loved one has had on your life is an important part of moving forward after their death. There are several interesting and touching ways to display that recognition and Everlasting Memories is proud to say that their line of funeral jewelry will do so beautifully. Each of their keepsakes has been hand crafted and can signify the devotion and dedication you continue to have to those that have died. Each of their gorgeous pendants is available in different metals and finishes and will hold a small reminder of those you have loved and lost. Every effort is made to ship your purchase in the twenty four hours following the receipt of your order.
Our line of cremation jewelry includes many new additions such as cremation rings and bracelets. These bracelets are innovative and take a fresh look at the many simple yet beautiful ways you can honor those that have passed away. Our extraordinary bracelets are comfortable and affordable and will gently cradle a special remembrance of your loved one inside a small inner compartment. Everlasting Memories ships your bracelet in a gorgeous velvet jeweler’s box so in the event that you choose to make your bracelet a gift for a loved one, we provide everything necessary to do so. A cremation bracelet by Everlasting Memories is a unique and special way to honor those that have passed away and keep the light of their love burning brightly in your heart. “
Comment by dee — July 31, 2009 @ 1:41 pm
hey anyone out there….has it been confirmed that there is indeed finder prints on the duct tape????? is that speculation???? Chica help a girl out….I have been waiting for that evidence to come in???? that is a dead ringer if there is….
LOL I will use a Blink signature..
YEP! hehe
sorry Blink… where are you today or tonite, nothing from you?…
On location on another case for 16 hours yesterday, trying to keep up!
B
After reading yesterday’s transcripts, I finally decided to put my 2 cents worth in.
I always felt that Casey left her car in the parking lot in hopes that someone would take it for a ‘joy ride’. I think that she purposely left her purse in the car to entice someone to open the door,grab her purse and hopefully take the car…thus leaving finger prints. If memory serves me right Caylee’s doll was in the car and she took the doll every place she went. If Casey was fortunate enough for someone to have taken the car for a joy ride and dumped it later, she would have had the excuse that someone had stolen her car and abducted Caylee. Casey had a big problem and that was the smell of decomposition in her car..with DNA evidence in the trunk. I believe that she had decided that her only way out of this mess was to create a scenerio of a car theft w/ child abduction. She needed to direct focus away from her to someone else.
I may be totally off the board on this one, but it has always bothered me that she left her purse with all her ID and Caylee’s doll in that car. The only problem in this scenerio is with the boyfriend who picked her up. He would have been a witness to the fact that she had left her car there. BUT…then again, there has been a few discrepancies in his story as well.
She gave the excuse that her car ran out of gas – but I have never read in any posts or news stories of anyone checking the gas tank to see if it was empty or not. The only thing i have read was that GA brought with him a can of gas ‘just in case’ the car was out of gas. That shows up in yesterday’s transcripts..
I have also read in earlier posts that Casey reported that after running out of gas, several people had helped her push the car into the parking lot. But as far as I know, none of these good samaritans have ever come forward to confirm her story…and being that this is such a high profile case, I doubt very much that they are unaware of her claims.
This is my first post, but I am an avid reader of your site and want to thank you for your dedication.
Mary
P.S.
Due to the fact that no one took the car and it was impounded, the focus went back to Casey. It is then that she comes up with the incredulous story of Casey being abducted by “Nanny and friends”.
{quote} At 5, Kealing examined the defense team’s taking two dozen items — such as books, toys and a toothbrush — from the Anthony home in September for testing. Defense attorney Jose Baez dismissed the notion that his team had withheld evidence. (The defense team gave the items to investigators in December.)
The last thing that would come to my mind would be that this is 100 percent ethical,” analyst Hornsby told Kealing. Rather, Baez should have warned the state when he took the items, Hornsby said. “He had a duty to put the state on notice,” Hornsby said. {unquote}
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/ent…ells-wesh.html
Okay, someone please help. How does anyone know that these items were removed from the Anthony home by the defense in September’ 08? OSCO has the date of their receipt of items in reports as 03/19/09, I haven’t gone through all the documents, so maybe someone can refer me?
Also, If they did independent testing on these items, do they need to submit result reports as part of the discovery process, as well as chain of custody reports regarding these items now? Or are they only released through discovery, during trial, if they utilize an expert witness to interpret the results?
Yep, Yep and Yep to all 3 of your comments. I am VERY interested in exactly when these items were taken, and what was done with them as compared to the timing of Cindy’s acknowledgement email that she gave OCSO the wrong hairbrush. I would not be surprised if warranted based on that info, that Cindy is eventually charged with obstruction. And for what? These people.
B
Okay, part 2. Since there was an active investigation, at the time, on a missing person, and the state wasn’t given notice of removal of evidence, and no one witnessed recovery of these items, would that preclude any subsequent results from being entered into the trial?
Part 3. Can this, in any way, be considered a breach of ethics according to the bar?
dee, Blink says her sources have told her there were I think two partial fingerprints on the tape, and that they match casey’s prints. We surmise there must have been prints of some kind because the tape was sent to the FBI Latent Print unit for the purposes of excluding lee’s, cindy’s, and george’s prints. (Fingerprints of close family members can be similar, from what I’ve read. Anyway, they were excluded.) Someone mentioned in a prior thread that if they are just partial prints, the defense can argue they are too small to be meaningful. I reckon they will come up with an expert witness to cast doubt.
Time will tell.
Mackiesmom, my comment on ‘umbilical’ was not intended to offend, and because it was in a paper bag with other things like toys, movies, toothbrush, etc, I thought ‘umbilical’ would likely be a reference to an ‘umbilical leash’ as would be used with a toddler around 2 years old.
I have never heard of someone keeping an umbilical as in ‘umbilical cord’ before, maybe I’m out of touch, except for the practice of keeping cord blood for medical purposes.
Sorry for jumping to that conclusion from just seeing speculation. And, as a sidenote, I did not see the earlier comment here about umbilical and was not responding to that– I would have worded things differently had I seen that. (I saw comments elsewhere and thought maybe umbilical meant a harness type leash). And then saw the Target Eddie Bauer monkey backpack ‘umbilical’ (Google search using umbilical and leash and maybe child/baby) raised the link to that page.
My apologies, just didn’t know this was something that was done– never thought about it.
MackiezMom, your post #120 was amazing. You made your points with passion & courage. Righteous indignation is truly compelling. To me the ashes amulets are loving memorials. You are right about those who have never suffered such loss being in no position to judge.
Please accept my deepest sympathy for your terrible tragedy. Losing your child, there is nothing worse.
I have had compassion and understanding for the George, Cindy and Lee Anthony during this entire ordeal. But this week, learning of their refusal to take polygraphs and seeking immunity, I became outraged by the realization that they were not seeking justice for Caylee. They don’t need immunity unless they’ve already committed wrongdoing. Refusing polygraphs means they’ve been lying to law enforcement, prosecutors and lawyers and intend to go on doing so. They are trying to get Casey off, whether she’s guilty or not. Avenging Caylee’s murder, seeking justice for their beloved Caylee, isn’t their primary goal. AND IT SHOULD BE.
I implore them to search their souls and listen to what Caylee would be screaming to them during her death. As Blink so ably pointed out, Caylee loved them, trusted them, needed them and counted on them. She would have cried out to them for help, to save her, to rescue her. She’s crying out to them now for justice. They need to hear her.
‘Umbilical’ that was part of what Jose Baez was ‘storing’ with the other items– ‘IF’ it was Caylee’s actual umbilical cord, why would a parent or grandparent give this to a lawyer to ‘hold’ when there is a search for a missing child, who may need to be ID’s by DNA, other than to keep that FROM authorities, including the FBI who were there to find the child only.
Finding the child was NOT what the Anthony’s wanted, not if she had to be ID’d using the hairbrush that was solely used for Caylee (Cindy purposefully did not give LE the ‘dedicated’ Caylee brush but one that was used by others, other hairs would be in it) and then possibly Caylee’s actual umbilical cord.
The result was that LE did not get these items until Baez handed them over when he was in a position that he had to do it.
Why would Baez need Caylee’s actual umbilical cord? What purpose other than to keep it from authorities, safe from a possible search of the Anthony home?
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Switching to the possibility of the ‘umbilical’ as a reference to a leash or tether, maybe one of those simple coil/stretchy versions, or to the toy backpack harness style sold at Target.
Interesting to find that Joan Lunden (co-host ABC’s GMA) invented and commercialized an ‘umbical cord’ as KinderKord along with her partner. The partner ‘initially dubbed their child tether device the “umbilical cord.”
http://www.inventorsdigest.com/?p=267
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If Baez held the biological ‘cord’ and stored it for safe keeping away from authorites for his client and her mother and grandfather, then this seems to be a very serious violation of ethics while a child is missing and possibly deceased and in need of positive identification if found. And a disgusting way to hold a part of that baby, the victim.
Giving these items, the ‘hair scrunchy’ included, gave the accused’s lawyer his own DNA hair samples for the victim. No reason other than if he knew, Casey knew, Cindy knew, that the child was dead, and that they ‘missing child’ media hype was a distraction and delay. These DNA sources would allow Cindy to determine if a baby’s body that ‘they’ find, is that of Caylee, without ever notifying authorities (in theory). Casey would not need to identify a body, she knew where she dumped that child.
This is really incredible, IF this is an actual ‘umbilical’ cord and not a tether of sorts for a toddler.
Blink
I’m being dense. Did the defense already have to turn over all reports or
is that contingent upon an expert witness testifying at trial?
I would also like to know where these items were recovered from: ie. were they just sitting around the house? were they items that were removed from the pontiac and Cindy held onto them? Were they discovered in a remote location (by PIs, etc)?
Also, if they were given to OSCO on December, then why were only reported into evidence on 03/09?
Two notes on the released documents:
1. ‘Zanny’s Hair Straightener’ Report by Cindy Anthony. Look at how this report was written– other OSCO statements might say ‘missing child’, but this one documents ‘KIDNAPPING’ at the top of the form, with ‘FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ, ZENAIDA” as ‘Suspect’.
Cindy wrote this statement and form on the morning of August 7th, 2008. It appears that Cindy has one more time, ‘published’ the name of ZG and this time, actually puts ‘Kidnapping’ on the record (now on the ‘internet forever’) and the ZG as we know, was the ‘Sawgrass connected ZG’.
I am sure Mn’M won’t let this other piece of published information go away lightly. Why would the sherriff’s department allow the case to be called ‘Kidnapping’ on this form at this date if they have cleared the Sawgrass ZG– why is this not a ‘missing child’ case still at this date?
Cindy has put this in stone now, for posterity, relating Zenaida and Kidnapping in an official police document.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20226558/detail.html
and the second note:
The list of items from Jose’s cupboard, include a 4 page forensic’s report. Why would Jose leave their report with the items, unless the Anthony’s themselves, did the testing, or unless that is the DNA paternity test for Caylee done by Jesse.
The forensics report comes from http://www.ifi-test.com/forensic.php (JFYI)
westsidehudson-
On your 2nd question-
We don’t know if/what testing the defense may have done on these items/have no idea if they intend to introduce any evidence at trial related to these items.
If the evidence was altered or tampered with, or even if there is a good faith basis to assert that it was altered or tampered with, (or other good faith basis reasons),can the prosecution file a motion to preclude the introduction of any evidence related to the items at trial? You betcha.
At this point, we don’t know what the items show, if anything, in terms of probative evidentiary value at trial.
Just to play devil’s advocate with the idea:
If the defense took a roll of duct tape from Hopespring which had Caylee’s DNA connected to it (say, a strand of her post-mortem hair) and also had Casey’s fingerprints on it– and eventually turned it over to the prosecution (untampered state), then wouldn’t the State seek to introduce it??
My point is, until we know what value, if any, these items hold, we can’t say.
On your 3rd question-
I hesitate to open this door, because again the legal issues raised can be complex, but just for purposes of edification:
The Rules of Professional Conduct set forth duties, some of which may appear to be in conflict with others.
Read Rule 4-1.6 Confidentiality of Information.
Compare Rule 4-3.3 Candor Toward the Tribunal.
Then read Rule 4-3.4 Fairness to Opposing Party and Counsel.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/ethics/fl/code/FL_CODE.HTM
Having pointed that out, I am of the opinion that Mr. Baez is not well acquainted with the Rules, and/or appears to lack concern about the application of the Rules to himself.
So COULD he face ethics charges as a result of (many) things he has done during his representation of Casey, including this? You betcha.
Yep, Blink. Cindy and that hairbrush. This is one she cannot lie her way around. She sent that email for crying out loud.
You said it. “These people”. Sheeeeesh.
(Carolyne Roderick, notarized Cindy’s ‘Kidnapping” suspect Zenaida, statement– that the same Roderick who is with ‘missing children’? Why would she not catch the ‘kidnapping’ classification and not correct it as this was not a proven ‘kidnapping’ situation, in fact the opposite by August, given Casey’s inconsistent story, lies, and phantom friends.)
If a person can put on offical state forms, the classification and suspect of a missing child case, that stays on record forever, certainly if released to the public and internet. Why didn’t Roderick fill out the top ‘office’ section of the form, then take Cindy’s statement, let her write in the sworn statement. Cindy is ‘swearing’ also to the ‘fact’ of ‘kidnapping’. Something Carolyne Roderick should not have allowed to happen– anyone can then write out a statement, put in someone’s name just to harass them in a kidnapping, and not even put that in the sworn statement so they can’t be called on it.
Neatly done, Cindy.
FairWitness,
I agree. Their lies and deception are a dishonor to Caylee’s short life, and to her memory. My compassion for them does not include support or endorsement of their lies.
Someone should cut your (very eloquent and evocative)last paragraph out and mail it to them. Put it up on a billboard, for them to see. Tape it to their bathroom mirror. They need to understand their actions in those terms. Sadly, I don’t believe they will. They are so deeply invested in all of the lies and cover-ups, at this point. Maybe one of them will break at trial (if it goes that far). If that happens, their house of cards falls.
Kleat,
Haha about the monkey back-pack harness. I understand your comment in that context. I’ve seen them as puppies and monkeys at Target, a little stuffed animal with a zipper pocket to put things in, and a long tail for the parent/adult to hold on to. While some might view them as a “leash”, they can be useful when you have young children walking around crowded places, with enticing things surrounding them. All it takes is that one split-second for a child to pull away.
Blink,
Thanks for your thoughtful, empathetic, and caring words. One of the most important things that you said in your response to my post was “I just wish they would honor Caylee’s legacy and restore the dignity of her place with them. They are alot of things, but they loved this baby more than anything, of that I am sure.”
Yes…and coming forth with the truth is what it would take to restore that dignity. A sort of restoration of the soul. They have given up their own dignity, and that of their relationship with Caylee, by their actions. Pride is an ugly thing, sometimes. Pride, in the Christian sense/context of the word, is a great contributing factor preventing them from being honest.
I, too, am horrified by their actions. While I know that some might think that immunity for them is a bad idea, I would ask the court to give them immunity, if they are now willing to tell the truth. An amnesty, of sorts. It is my opinion that they really were driven absolutely crazy by Caylee’s death, particularly at the hands of the daughter they raised. If they’re asking for immunity in return for complete disclosure, please…give it to them. For Caylee, and for themselves. The lies and cover-ups are a betrayal of Caylee. I am not confident that it is possible to recover from the place that the As are now. If they told everything, and Casey was prosecuted and sentenced to LWOP, they would go home and find that all of the lies didn’t help…that their world is still shattered, never to return. But at least they “restore the dignity of her place with them.”
My sympathy and empathy over the loss of your precious niece. The death of a child so close to ones heart leaves a permanent impression, just as a meteor leaves an impression when it hits the earth. I have noticed that there is often a correlating depth of compassion and empthy for others, and that same force has the capacity to propel one in the direction of advocacy, support, and volunteerism.
Thanks to you for your continued work to advocate on behalf of those who were not protected. It is difficult to comprehend the depravity of a child-killer. In such stark contrast to the experience you describe with your niece, and me with my son. I would gladly lay down my life for any of my children. The idea of someone murdering their child is not only anathema, but unfathomable.
Is it possible that KC gave JB the spiderman toothbrush , sheet etc. when she was spending all those hours at his office.? I remember one video clip of her wearing a backpack and it looked like it was stuffed…
126 NancyS….please point me to that evidence…I have reas none of the A’s re there but nada on Casey’s …..thanks!
greatwork!
Curiosity has my mind swirling over the significance of the hairbrush acquired by the defense. Though I have a propensity to overlook the obvious I can’t see, with regards to DNA testing, the value a hairbrush would have to a murder defense that wouldn’t benefit an ongoing missing persons case.
Point being when the brush was removed the easiest possible defense for KC would be finding Caylee alive. The removal and subsequent handling of the brush, from a prospective, demonstrates the defense already was preparing to defend a murder they knew when\where\why\how occurred. Perhaps Baez is the one person KC has been honest w/ all along. Could he have known when\where\why\how it happened?
Not too much of a stretch, but get ready for this next one… And I admit it’s a stretch.
What if the true significance behind the brush is IT’S THE MURDER WEAPON..? Maybe this was among the items cleaned and perhaps hidden in plain sight by CA. This could also explain the state bringing in a tool mark expert after the body was found. Could there have been skull fractures, or marks caused by something the shape of a hairbrush?
Again, sometimes I become caught up in my own version of events fueled by occasionally lazy and halfhearted attempts at “keeping current” with this case. That said, I could totally see KC, in a fit of rage fueled by anger at CA, beat Caylee to death while trying to brush her hair. The “infamous” jailhouse video of KC going berserk while GA & CA pass the phone back and forth, reveals the angry irrational side of KC that may have come loose on a child who refused to sit still while being brushed.
Thanks again to those who contribute, this site is my crack.
This is in response to comments on the unbilical cord… When I gave birth to my youngest daughter I was asked if I wanted the afterbirth. I assume there are cultures or certain people who take them for something. It doesn’t seem that far out to keep the cord, though I never did.
About the ashes… A little over a year ago my oldest brother packed all his belongings, went outside, put his head to a tree so he wouldn’t harm anyone else, and shot himself. My parents and each of his siblings have a small urn with some ashes in it. We each also have a clipping of hair cut after his death. It isn’t only parents who lose children who might want to hold onto a loved ones remains.
The shock and devestation something like this leaves behind is unimaginable. My brother murdered himself but I still love him with all my heart and soul. None of us can say what we would do until we lose someone because, even though I recently lost my brother, losing another loved one is just unfathomable. Each person is unique and each relationship is unique. Each person deals with each loss in a different way.
The Anthonys loved Caylee and they love Casey. They must know she did it but maybe actually believing it is too much for them.
Didn’t George supposedly go on his “suicide trip” the AM after Cindy had him “pick out jewelry” for Caylee’s body? I just remember reading something to that effect and thinking why would they buy jewelry to place on a body that was no longer there.
#120 Mack….I do not think there has ever been an incident where people could follow the disappearance/tragic murder of a beautiful young child so closely as Caylee’s has. I’ve never written online or followed any other sites but this one. I didn’t even have any idea something such as comment boards existed. Having said that, I have read each post and word on here, and I have great empathy for you and your tragic loss of a child. But, feelings are quiet evident here IMO. Feelings of compassion towards little Caylee and a deep need from each poster to bring understanding in their own mind. I have no doubts in my mind that there are very few posters here who are posting that turns off our thoughts when we leave the keyboard.
That this little girl’s family have shown such actions as we have witnessed is beyond most of our understanding. That is why most of us feel so deeply towards Caylee. Her little mind was not developed enough to use cognitive judgement or to associate horror. Ours are.
And, my last thought on this subject is….we have all come to know the voices of Yuri,John,Scott,ect…these people that dedicate their lives to being the voice for justice for victims…each day they must awaken and move on to another victim. Just as (seemingly) does Blink, although I still have no idea who she is, except from glimpses of her I get from her response to you…..
Off my soapbox took me 2 hours to complete that. Hugs to all who are showing their dedication to justice for Caylee.
kris, nada on the hairbrush as weapon– there is an autopsy report with no suggestion of cause. And JB didn’t get the Caylee only brush as far as we know (but who knows, maybe there’s something in this case we don’t know!!) JB got the scrunchie and assorted other stuff that you can find in the last discovery dump.
Wonder how Blink is doing on the searches today– hope answers come soon for the Ocasio and Kesse families.
Just finished reading George Anthony’s FBI interview from last June (it seems to have taken place june 29 or before) and found a couple of things interesting.
First, I guess the Ants had shared with LE the caylee-was-snatched-from-blanchard-park (not sawgrass) story last summer, even though it was news to me when Lee talked about it in his ZG defamation deposition in Feb. 2009. Geo and the FBI definitely discuss it and I don’t think it’s news to them at that point. Lee, in his Feb 2009 ZG depo says he first heard the blanchard park version from kc when she was out of jail in August, which is much later than George,s fbi interview. Dunno what to make of that, but there it is.
Second, I know you guys have said this for a long time but man they are TOTALLY setting up Jesse Grund! George talks in the interview about Jesse’s jealousy and his temper/anger. (Sadly, Jesse,s police training transcripts also tell a story of him angrily breaking a pair of ear protectors at the shooting range.) Lee talks about how Jesse knew casey’s password, even TIMER 55 I think. (Lee starts to talk about that but the lawyers all interrupt so I don’t think he ever fully explains how he knew jesse knew the password.) I think Geo might have even called jesse kind of a stalker (more or less) in this FBI interview. And every one of ‘em talks about how jesse loved caylee even more than he loved kc. Wow, poor Jesse. Couple that with the birthday card Blink hints about, and I’d say the boy is gonna’ get his name dragged through the mud pretty badly by time this thing is through.
Suz, some thoughts:
Okay, if we want to “consider” Jesse as a suspect:
Why all the talk about Zanny, at first? How is Zanny code for Jesse?
Do we believe that Jesse would actually use a hair straightening iron?
Why would Casey abandon the car, and tell everyone it ran out of gas, but then never fill it with gas and retrieve it? Never tell her parents?
If it was Jesse, and Casey knew this, wouldn’t it have been pretty easy to trail him? He didn’t leave the country for Puerto Rico , NY, NJ, or any other such place. So how come the Anthony PIs couldn’t get to him?
Who was moving Caylee around all this time, law enforcement ,who were in cahoots with Jesse?
What type of terrible “underground people” can be proven to have an association with him?
Casey doesn’t particularly care about Jesse, so why wouldn’t she come right out and say that he was involved? She wouldn’t protect him. And if Casey feared for her entire family’s safety, now that Caylee is dead, why wouldn’t she tell someone outright what the circumstances were so that the wheels of justice can begin rolling against Jesse and she can get out of jail? Why would her family be in any less danger from him now?
Even if we answer all of these by saying that Casey had a compulsive lying disorder, if the defense believes her now, and has the true story and they have all the goods, why wait until trial?
Why wouldn’t Casey tell her parents at the point when she was out of jail about him?
If it defies reason and common sense…It won’t add up to reasonable doubt.
#146 j.g. (BIG HUG) right back at ya. I need tissues that was beautiful. Hey (GROUP HUG) for everyone.