Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: New Discovery Released – Lee Anthony Granted Immunity?
Orlando, Florida– Over 1500 pages of New Discovery have been released by the State’s Attorney’s Office in the Case against Casey Anthony for the murder of 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony.
A source speaking on condition of anonymity to blinkoncrime.com, believes almost half of the information contained in the reports relates to Jesse Grund, Casey’s former fiancee’.
SOURCE LINKS TO DOCUMENTS (11:05AM):
http://www.wesh.com/news/20224026/detail.html
Parts 1–18 at above link
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for updates and source links as they become available.
WFTV is reporting the Lee Anthony has been granted immunity prior to his deposition by the State’s Attorney’s office this morning. Blinkoncrime has not been able to corroborate this report at the time of this posting. Lee is also facing a motion to compel his testimony in the civil case against his sister, lodged by Zenaida Gonzalez through her attorney John Morgan.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
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j.g., I had that same reaction about jewellery, then later, learned that Cindy may have been talking about jewellery for ‘herself’. I don’t know, but assume this is one explanation as the whole thing was about symbols and show, and Cindy the centerpiece. Also noticed the jewellery that Cindy does wear, as with the depo last week, several necklaces and several bracelets.
suz, a lot of ‘facts’ you hear from the Anthony’s as proven certainties, is coming from Casey. Just as Lee talked about proving that the outreach people existed for sure, he knew they actually did exist, when really they did not. Where these things come from– Casey may have told Lee or Casey told Cindy who told Lee, that Jesse got the password or info. The source is Casey in a lot of what the family spoke of, as ‘truths’.
westsidehudson comment 129 how do we know thay this stuff belongs to the family. whats to say,they didn’t find it at the local dump. planting someone elses dna,and saying that the nanny owned it. how can you prove it. i don’t trust these people for one minute
MackiezMom, you must be some strong lady to be so insightful and compassionate in the face of the immeasurable pain you’ve been through. Tell me about your son, what was his favorite movie. What did he like to eat? What was his laugh like? What did he like to play with?
I appreciate your agreement with the plea I wrote to the Anthonys. I do hope they read this site, they sure need to.
I will never believe Cindy, George or Lee had anything to do with Caylee’s murder. They have made some very bad decisions trying to cope with her loss and defending her killer. I suppose they don’t want to believe Casey did this, but she did. They should realize the damage they’re doing to their own emotional well-being by trying to perpetuate and corroborate Casey’s lies.
She killed that child, she’s the only one who could have. I sure hope the defense doesn’t try to point the finger at others, like Jesse Grund or even George and Cindy. It will backfire if they do. It will piss off the jury and guarantee she gets the death penalty.
kleat, yes indeedy. The Ants are a creative bunch.
I had watched some of the videos of Cindy in her FBI interview before, but yesterday I attempted to read the transcript. I got about halfway through it and my eyes were crossing and my brain was disintegrating. I have to hand it to Agent Bolin for keeping a straight face through the whole thing.
Cindy was desperate to convince him that Casey was leaving “clues” and all we have to do is follow the clues. Of course, the way the “clues” were left it could mean whatever the listener wants it to mean.
The whole exchange reminded me of a little beagle we once had. As a beagle, she used her nose to follow trails. We also had a cat who loved to play games with this beagle. The cat would wander all over the yard, going around in circles and then she would jump up onto the fence post and watch the dog.
Our little beagle would pick up her scent and bay. then she would run around following all the circles and twists and turns, getting more and more excited. But then she would come to the “end” of the trail where the cat had jumped up on the fence. The Dog would get frustrated, frantically sniff around and then go back to the beginning and start the “trailing” all over again. Meanwhile, the cat is sitting up on the fence watching this procedure. I could swear the cat was laughing. It was hilarious.
But reading Cindy’s FBI interview reminded me of this little beagle. Cindy is willing to go round and round and round and tie everything and everyone in knots with her “clues” when the truth (Casey) is sitting right in front of her. I get the feeling that Casey has played this game with her mother for many years.
I feel very sorry for Cindy because there is something in her that WILL NOT let her see the truth. And her actions to try to make everyone around her see things the way she does have alienated most everyone who were prone to cut her some slack. Her attitude and actions will not help Casey in the end, but this whole process will destroy her and those around her if she cannot be made to face what is obvious to most of us – Look up, Cindy. The cat is on the fence.
I have a different take on why Luka left. I think that he knows Lee is lying and wants no part of it. It is unethical for a lawyer to allow his client to perjure himself under oath. We tend to think all lawyers are cut from the same cloth as Baez but I believe that’s why both Nujame and Luka both left they wanted no part in the cover up.
For me I find nothing wrong with the cremation jewelery but am appalled that Cindy would where Caylee’s ashes around her neck and hanging close to her heart while lying through her teeth to protect the person responsible for Caylee’s murder.
Well, you know, that is a definate possibility, although I am pretty sure he would have known what Lee was going to say, and advice on what to say as well. So he is not going to subjorn perjury. And from what I have seen of Luka, I do NOT hold him in the same locker room as Nejame. I found him unsure and unprepared. The dichotomy of the jewelry is not lost on me though, I just wish it would dawn on her already.
B
#148 glad you pointed out the jesse loved caylee more than casey ,that seems to be a pattern amongst the a’s,lee loves caylee more than casey also,says george,casey hates cindy more than she loves caylee, they are always saying this. and #149, i just always assumed my first presumation that casey wanted and needed jesse’s help (and protection and quasi-influence and back up support as police officer)for the call the police stage that she never quite could get to.(and maybe just gave up)
Kris-#144
The significance of the brush has been patently obvious for a very long time (and it has nothing to do with pure speculation about HOW the brush was used; rather, it has everything to do with upon WHOM the brush was used for its intended purpose– to brush hair).
The reason that Cindy may very well face obstruction of justice charges related to the hairbrush stems from the manner in which she responded to a direct/basic request from LE for a DNA sample for Caylee (the brush that was used to groom her hair would contain strands of her hair).
Cindy– thinking she was outsmarting LE– provided a brush that CASEY used. (Yes– she says that BOTH Casey AND Caylee used it, but from what we know of her propensity to LIE, we can only guess that it was ALSO POSSIBLY used to groom Caylee. The point is that Cindy KNEW she had access to a hair brush which was SOLELY used on Caylee, and INTENTIONALLY provided the other brush to LE upon their direct request).
We know this, because Cindy basically BRAGGED about her (inexcusable) actions (tactics) in an EMAIL.
STUPID IS as STUPID DOES.
And this woman, who adored her grandchild, nevertheless DID THIS. She CANNOT ESCAPE IT. SHE CANNOT BLAB ON END AND INSERT BIZARRE AND INSANE AND UNBELIEVABLE DETAIL AFTER DETAIL AFTER CRAZY DETAIL.
This little web is easy to see, and CINDY has CAUGHT HERSELF IN IT.
Hook, line and sinker.
I apologize in advance if my stating the obvious dilutes your outstanding post, but all that and I say ‘WHY?”
Intent is clear here, for what purpose, it only cements the opinion that she knew Caylee was deceased.
B
Well ALRIGHT we are getting it DOWN today. JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE.
lol, Boo, you’ve got a way..
B
Blink-
“WHY?” is, indeed, the larger point.
Without a doubt, the fact that Cindy CHOSE to provide the WRONG hair brush is HIGHLY PROBATIVE of the fact that SHE ALREADY KNEW that Caylee was deceased.
Caught in her own little web of deceit, and this one she cannot escape.
Carolyn S from Maryland, that’s a great little illustrative story and yes, I think a couple things fit, the game, the selfish-self-satisfaction/entertainment factor for the conniving and ‘catchless’ cat and the poor little Beagle, doing things that hard-wired instincts tell him to do.
I think though, Cindy would like us to believe she is just doing whatever a good mother would do to protect a child, following Casey’s clues and leading us somewhere but not to the exact spot (we’ve heard that again and again). But Cindy is no beagle, she knows what path and confusion and directions of the circles she is drawing, not led by pure instinct and pure intentions, but cunning. There are only two players in your wonderful little story, but for this story, there is the third– Madam Justice and all of her servants. Not all follow the convolutions and repetitions and the now predictable distractions of the cat and beagle team.
(PS: the Cindy beagle is really a fox in a spotted coat and set of droop-ears….
Theresa-147
Luka left AFTER he brokered the immunity deal and AFTER Lee testified. If he knew Lee was going to be untruthful in his testimony in response to a subpoena from the State… he is in MAJOR TROUBLE.
BTW- an attorney cannot just withdraw as counsel in a pending matter at his/her whim. (See the Florida Rules of Professional Conduct- in particular, Rule 4-1.16 Declining or Terminating Representation, and see also Rule 4-3.3 Candor Toward the Tribunal, in particular, subsection (a) False Evidence; Duty to Disclose)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/ethics/fl/code/FL_CODE.HTM
I agree, so what do you make of it? I dont see any reason Lee would risk perjury charges when given immunity; I have to believe the state knew exactly what he would say beforehand, thus why they offered it after months of chatter. I go back to July 3rd all over again.
B
Ok, I’ve read the newest batch of releases, even all of the information on Jesse. All I can say is the Anthony’s sure didn’t like reading it! It proves what they and Baez were told all along. Remember the old saying, “No way,Jose”. I imagine Baez and Lyons have told the Anthony’s by now it would be foolish to try to use Jesse to put any kind of “reasonable doubt” in a juror’s mind.
I have rewatched Casey’s jailhouse visitor video’s several more times. The ones before she knew they were being taped and released for public view. The one’s after her friend Christine said on the phone to her, to the effect…why are you not showing any emotion?
Notice how she turned the tears on when George visited her and she actually spoke of her daughter? I call it the video response to her lawyer or someone telling her to put on a show and act like you care about your daughter.
Anyway back to my thoughts…Casey has settled in to her “dorm” (as she called her jailcell in the video visit with her parents)….She is settled in with her guards, knowing their names and socializing with them…she gets her mail (probably has made friends from those contacting her for whatever reason people get off on conversing with people in jail)….and she gets visits from good ole Jose. I am sure she has found a way to get mail to, and from, her parents and Lee. And as good ole George pointed out to her she is the head of the corporation working for her. I think Casey’s wrapped up in a fantasy world and is as content as a bug in a rug.
Welcome back Silver! So glad to get your posts. You ready for my questions? Ok, here they come.
During the deposition of Cindy, would the prosecution pin her to the wall on her lies, say for instance, using her many video and audio taped statements to show her lies? Or would they save all that for the jury? I can understand her not being charged now for her doubtless infringement of laws…but, do you foresee after the trial her having to face charges? I can understand the prosecutors being between the rock and the hard spot where she is concerned. If they charge her juror’s might view that negatively.
Baez (post Cindy’s depo) indicated it took so long (13hrs) because Cindy liked to be detailed with her statements or whatever. Can you give us an idea of what might have transpired behind those doors?
And do you think George is having a nice peaceful lazy weekend? (Just kidding on that lol!)
Blink I wanted the truth and YOU showed me the way. Although I should also give credit to the anthonys who can’t say the truth but their behavior sure tells caylees story.
Mackenzie’s Mom – I hugely appreciate what you said. This is a heartfelt thank you. You reminded me of what I so need to remember about judgment even when it feels so judicious.
Truth is I chuckled when I read the very short statement you responded to. It was the irony of it. I knew it in no way represented and indeed was the polar opposite of what was really in the heart.
So many thoughts going round my head…
I know things have moved on but re unbilial cord. For the sake of clarity wouldn’t LE properly name the item they had now had taken control of. It was either an umbilical cord or it was leather/webbed/cloth child control harness.
Again my thanks to everyone.
Oh also 156 CarolynS – loved it! What a great analogy.
Sorry just realized that scrunchee flies in the face of what I just said. Dah!
Blink- thank you so much for putting into words the whole crux of why I believe I feel so drawn to this case- it is a riveting portrayal of human nature and the results when love, even true, heartfelt love, takes the wrong path- “…the lessons that come from a case like this. Enabling your children for any reason, will never end well. Integrity and Humility are the two cornerstone lessons we should be imparting and living, imo. ”
Amen.
I have one question- Blink stayed that she did not think the exchange ever occured on 6/24 between George and Casey. Why would he make this up? It paints Casey in a horrible lightthe stealing of the gas cans, her beating him to the trunk to avoid him seeing what was in it, and not to mention her foul mouth when talking to her dad. Why make this up?-
Blink, I tried to post this yesterday, but my cookies weren’t right (only local was checked), or you edited it out, not sure, so I will Re-post??:
Miss Amy,
“Is it possible that KC gave JB the spiderman toothbrush , sheet etc. when she was spending all those hours at his office.?”
Yes, but the purpose being? Until Casey was arrested for the third and final time at the end of September this was still a missing person/kidnapping case. Of course, this point may, by appearances, absolve Cindy of looking like her primary motive was only to aid the defense, if she was not the one who gave them the items. (vs giving the state an item that didn’t precisely match what they were requesting)
If they are going to claim that the items were handled by the mysterious nanny, and recover DNA that belongs to an unknown subject, I’m going to be highly suspicious of the results. I can understand testing the hair for comparisons to the trunk…but… Are they going to try and demonstrate a “death-band” on a living Caylee sample hair that was recovered from the “scrunchie”. I have read that older people can show some semblance of a “death-band”, (actually he was a subject of a Body Farm analysis), although they are, in fact, still alive. I don’t know if the same could be said for a toddler. I remember hearing one of the defense mouthpieces bring this up on TV , and then I researched it, (don’t remember if they were actually for Casey’s defense or not). However, if there is no clear record of where any hair came from, how do we know whether it was really retrieved from the trunk?
Other than the news sources, did anyone find documentation that the defense removed these items in September? Could it have been earlier?
I know that I am obsessing on this, but everyone was insisting that Caylee was alive at this point. And there was an established DNA profile of Caylee in existence, for Jesse’s paternity analysis, so it seems highly irregular to me that they would need to be testing items , other than for the purposes I’ve described above, or worse, as Kleat brought up earlier, to clean something up before the state served search warrants. But I really believe that they want to knock the car evidence out of the equation.
Perhaps the Body farm has done random samplings of living children’s hair to demonstrate that the slight banding does not occur on the young? Also, the state may have to see to it that this evidence isn’t admitted into trial, because the defense didn’t notify them of their intentions to remove evidence.
If the defense can not tie anyone else to the car, and you have the decomposition odor and the hair with death bands ( and it is determined that this never happens in children): Casey guilt looks BLATANTLY obvious. If the car becomes ‘neutral’, then the only other direct evidence to Casey that the state might have is the fingerprints on duct tape that we are all speculating on.
silverspnr,
I have been remiss, thank you for all of your answers.
I’ve often wonder what kinds of punishments where given to Casey while growing up. If there was ever any kind of physical punishment like a spanking. We know that the night of June 15Th Cindy choked Casey in anger, was this usual or unusual behavior for Cindy. Cindy almost chokes the life out of Casey and her response is to murder her daughter and continue on her stealing spree. WHY!!
I feel badly about jumping to conclusions on the definition of ‘umbilical’ and not appreciating the value on a different level . I suppose partly as BrendaT suggests, the way it was listed in with all the other replaceable ‘stuff’, not defined, not different from the plastic and metal.
I suppose that is reading into things. But if this was Caylee’s umbilical cord from birth, who (in “THIS” matriarchal family) is that of value to or a symbol for? If Casey did not want her daughter, if she is a sociopath, how much emotional attachment did the real umbilical and all of it’s symbolism of the mother/child physical and emotional bond, have for her in the months before Caylee went missing? Could it be, that any umbilical cord kept from birth, was Cindy’s idea and could it be Cindy who wanted the attachment, the actual link in the chain between ‘CMA’ generations?
Here’s the question– WHY would Casey kill and dispose of the baby that included some sort of planning after the fact that had her coming and going from the home, borrowing shovels, getting fresh clothes, moving a body, and leave the one ultimately important symbol of her attachment to that baby, untouched, left in the home, as it ‘appears’ has happened.
What else would need to be buried in the yard with the baby, if not to complete the disposal of this part of Casey’s life, if not an extant umbilical cord, part of the birth of the baby and part of the baby and mother?
If Casey was into symbolism, heart stickies on duct tape over the child’s mouth for example, and burying pets with little ceremonies, then why wouldn’t she want to bury also, the umbilical cord and all it symbolizes?
Why leave that in the home to continue to symbolically and physically attach her to that child, so to speak?
#169 KTINA. I don’t think geo is making up his story about running into casey. He is lying about the date.
To mackiezmom #120
Regarding my comment about the ashes and umbilical cord, #115, I never meant to offend or be snarky. My little niece died nine years ago and my sister has kept many things of Megan’s through several moves cross country, although she does not have an amulet. She also has kept the umbilical cords of all her children. i don’t think there is anything wrong with this. I also have a cousin whose little boy died and she wears a necklace with his initial on it. Everyone has to find peace for themselves. I am very sorry for your loss.
We are all waiting and hoping for Justice for Caylee. Thank you to everyone on this site, especially Blink.
WESH wins MSM headline typo of the day for it’s Casey Anthony section ‘Latest Video’ title that reads:
“Documents Show Anthony Family Refused Polographs”
Polographs?????
(http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/index.html)
You know they do save cord blood these days for the possible future use of the stem cells. Just a thought.
Yes, thats correct, but is stored cryogenically, not at home. A person only has the right to access it for specific medical procedures.
B
Blink-#163 July 3rd indeed. (plus July 15th). As we all know, prosecutors generally give immunity to a small fish in order to assist with the catching of the big fish. (what’s this I see?? filet of Cindy & George, being dipped in batter, held above a deep fryer, perhaps???)
Not sure why the withdrawal. I originally ventured a guess that money could be the answer. Lee may be financially unable to pay additional fees. Perhaps he has been cut off from some particular source of funding? Or maybe he believes his is fully protected now, having finally told the truth under oath?? Hard to say, but I would still recommend that someone in his position retain counsel for the duration, particularly because of what the other Anthonys might say. A difficult bunch to trust.
J.G.-#164
While it is fair game to question the witness about inconsistencies during a deposition, the purpose of the deposition is to discover facts within the knowledge of the witness that concern the case. The lawyer asks questions regarding relevant matters, or those which are reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence for trial. The deposition is the time to PIN the witness DOWN to his/her “version” of the facts. The cross examination/exposing of holes in the witness’s credibility is for trial.
Here, the State seeks to introduce some rather key evidence against Casey through the testimony of her mother and father. We know there is some helpful information to be drawn from both Cindy and George insofar as proving elements of their case. However, we also know that Cindy and George hold positions on the case that could be classified as “hostile” to the State.
Having them declared as “hostile” at trial serves several advantages. It would allow the State to get the helpful testimony in, and then to also show the jury that the State is not standing for their credibility in ALL matters. It not only serves form, it serves function.
One generally does not impeach one’s own witness, and is offering their testimony to advance one’s version of the case. However, where the witness can provide SOME valuable testimony, but it “hostile” to the party offering the witness, it certainly behooves that party to get said witness declared as “hostile” so that the party may then (understandably to the jury) impeach that witness/attack his or her credibility as to OTHER matters, and use LEADING QUESTIONS to do it.
There are a few situations where you may “LEAD” the witness via for form of the question you ask. A leading question is one which suggests the answer to the witness. Generally, when you call the witness on direct (as part of your case in chief) or on redirect (as rebuttal to cross examination), you are only permitted to “lead” on very preliminary matters (for example, “Mrs. Anthony, you reside on Hopespring Drive, correct?”). If you “lead” on non-preliminary matters, the opposing party MAY object.
It is a mistake often made by novice trial lawyers to know when to “bother” objecting on this ground. It takes some experience to use this objection with skill. You don’t want to annoy the jury when the other side is just using leading questions to get the story rolling/to cut to the chase.
The real time for leading questions is on cross-examination.
However, if you call a witness who is–during your direct examination– declared “hostile” to you/your case, you may then ask leading questions, and basically cross-examine your own witness.
For example: “Mrs. Anthony, you UNDERSTOOD the reason the police requested you to provide them with CAYLEE’s HAIR BRUSH, didn’t you?” (here she can either admit it and say Yes, or deny it and say No, but regardless, the next question could be): “You understood that they were seeking access to a strand or stands of CAYLEE’s hair, and NOT ANYONE ELSE’S HAIR, didn’t you?” yes/no “Now, you provided them with A hair brush in response to that request, correct?” yes. “But you KNEW that the brush you provided…” etc)
What went on behind closed doors at Cindy’s deposition??
It was NOTHING like what happened during the civil deposition, I can promise you that much. (And the civil case dep should never have proceeded there as it did. Conway deserves a healthy portion of the blame for that, IMO. Yes, he was there to represent his clients, but he is also an officer of the court, and should have instructed them to answer the questions which were appropriately asked. EPIC FAIL).
I think what happened just a few days ago is that they pinned Cindy down to her “version” of the facts (which, as we know, will already contradict prior sworn statements she has provided to LE in the past, since her prior sworn statements to OCSO was, at times, at odds with statements she made to the FBI).
I think there are clearly new topics of interest that were addressed, particularly relating to whatever documents the Anthonys just (FINALLY, under threat of being called into court to answer for the delay/failure to produce) turned over, but also as to other matters of interest which have come to light over the past several months, such as contractual agreement(s) with PI(s); searches of the dump site location; etc.
Pure speculation to guess precisely what those new topics entail, however some good educated guesses already posted here by others as well.
westsidehudson-#170-171
A “death band on a living Caylee hair sample”?! Wha-wha-what??!
Listen- if the defense produces ANY OTHER PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT CONTAINS A CAYLEE HAIR SAMPLE WITH A DEATH BAND ON IT, AND THAT PIECE OF EVIDENCE WAS FOUND/LOCATED IN THE HOUSE ON HOPESPRING (thereby LINKING IT TO CASEY/THE ANTHONYS)?? WOW! TO ME, THAT EQUALS MORE BAD NEWS FOR CASEY/THE ANTHONY’S (particularly because there IS NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE OF THE EXISTENCE OF “ZANNY”, or for that matter, ANY NANNY)
A piece of evidence that is meant to be helpful to her defense could end up being a golden nugget for the State.
Getting beyond the pure speculation about any hair-
Based on the TOTALITY of the evidence in this case, there is no way the defense can turn what was found in that car into “neutral” evidence before the jury. NO WAY.
Perhaps if Casey didn’t have a reputation for LYING/hadn’t lived her life as if nothing was wrong and as if no one SPECIAL was MISSING FROM IT for 31 days/hadn’t been the LAST KNOWN PERSON TO BE SEEN WITH CAYLEE/didn’t back her car into the garage–which was highly unusual/didn’t borrow that shovel/didn’t lie to family and friends about where Caylee actually was during the 31 days, in crazy detail, no less/ didn’t make some pretty damaging admissions, such as “SPITEFUL BITCH”/ didn’t make numerous false statements to LE when they were trying to investigate HER claim of a kidnapping… and perhaps IF CAYLEE’S REMAINS HAD NEVER BEEN FOUND –ok– then they MIGHT have a chance of “neutralizing” the car evidence (but I highly DOUBT IT).
I’m going to disagree that Cindy would face obstruction of justice charges for the hairbrush incident. If Cindy had not given OCSO a single thing that day containing Caylee’s DNA, but pretended the items she gave them were used for Caylee, then she would be vulnerable to obstruction charges IMO. But that isn’t what happened.
On July 21, OCSO picked up several toothbrushes, a hairbrush, a comb and an oral thermometer of Caylee’s to use for DNA evidence comparison. The hairbrush was not the only item collected that day and Cindy knew that the oral thermometer and toothbrushes were used exclusively by Caylee.
The hairbrush Cindy could – and should – have given OCSO was in Cindy’s bathroom and was a hairbrush only Cindy used for brushing Caylee’s hair. Cindy’s bathroom is on the opposite side of the house from the bathroom that Caylee and Casey used (which is near Casey’s and Caylee’s bedrooms). It is very likely that the hairbrush Cindy gave to OCSO was a hairbrush in the Casey/Caylee bathroom that Casey would have used for herself and for Caylee.
So I don’t believe she was lying when she said the hairbrush she had provided had been used for Caylee as well as Casey, but she didn’t make it easy for OCSO by getting Caylee’s exclusive hairbrush, and I don’t know if she told OCSO that the brush she had provided was used by both Casey and Caylee.
What Cindy did not know at the time is that a hair had been found in the trunk that showed evidence of decomposition. The real reason OCSO wanted samples of Caylee’s hair was for microscopic analysis to see if the strands of Caylee’s hair from the brush had the same characteristics as the hair in the trunk with postmortem banding.
And I’m going to disagree with the assumption that Cindy gave the wrong brush because she knew Caylee was dead. As noted, she had already provided samples of Caylee’s DNA via the toothbrushes and oral thermometer and she had no way of knowing why OCSO wanted a sample of Caylee’s hair. The reason IMO that she didn’t trouble herself to cross the house to get the hairbrush from her own bathroom is that she was angry with Yuri Melich because earlier that day, the OCSO computer forensics team had found the video clip of Caylee and Alex from July 15 and Melich needed confirmation that the June 15 date on the clip was correct. Cindy wanted to get confirmation her own way – without sending detectives to the nursing home – because she didn’t want reporters going to Mount Dora to bother Shirley and Alex. Cindy was forced to do thing Melich’s way and thoroughly resented him for (in her mind) “threatening” her by telling her he would send a squad car to the nursing home. It was such a heated exchange that Melich mentioned it during the July 22 bond hearing and Cindy told Casey about it during during a July 25 jail visit; Cindy told Casey about being “threatened” with a squad car.
I’m not defending Cindy’s actions; I’m just saying I think she didn’t get the Caylee-only hairbrush because she had already provided a number of objects covered with Caylee’s DNA, so the hairbrush wasn’t a critical item in her mind and because she was so angry at Yuri Melich that she wasn’t going out of her way for him by getting the brush she used only for Caylee.
I don’t see how the prosecutors could possibly make an obstruction charge stick on that incident. Ditto for washing the pants that were in the Pontiac and for spraying Febreze in the trunk since Cindy did those things hours before calling 911 (and it was only because of Cindy’s 911 calls that OCSO even knew about Caylee’s disappearance).
#144,159,161 – The Why.
Money, first & foremost: no longer at Gentiva, she was working the national media for a livelihood, needing to keep the perception of a ‘live & missin Caylee’ – to keep donations for her foundation pouring in, to keep demand for videos & images high, & she’d done a People Mag spread plus had a network interview scheduled already for her daughter (which got kiboshed when she was re-arrested). A ‘Dead Caylee Murdered By Her Mother’ headline would kill her, financially.
Second, her ‘pathology’ doesn’t allow her to acknowledge negative things about herself or her family publicly…she’d already perpetuated a myth with LE about her daughter being “a responsible, good mother.” Between CA & GA, & even LA, they’ve discussed likely scenarios, know the “truth”, are practical, & are not in denial. Maintaining that image of denial keeps them from being held accountable (legally) & is quite self-serving.
(the FBI interviews indicated she had “rose colored glasses on” & had assessed her daughter on a written form as “highly responsible” despite all the evidence to the contrary…sheesh, just the forgery & theft of CA’s & SP’s money over time disputes the “highly responsible” characterization !! never mind the forgery charges stemming from what she did to Amy H.! The FBI was being kind to CA to characterize her like that.)
A “good mother” wouldn’t have killed Caylee for spite (yet CMA’s own declarative statement was she was “a spiteful b****”), or to get her out of the way for her to party (yet records/all accounts show she lived to party), or because she wasn’t gainfully employed & Caylee was an economic liability (yet records prove she wasn’t employed & stole/forged for income, & her father GA told the FBI that “they provided Caylee with everything”), so CA has to come up with a script rationalizing CMA’s irresponsible (criminal) behavior, to outsiders.
She couldn’t afford not to refute the results from FBI testing showing Caylee was deceased. Without Caylee alive & “missing”, donations wouldn’t pour in, & their public image would suffer. JMHO.
this case will never see a trial,the story is so ridiculous.how can the defence go to war,without ammunition. susan smith we have a cell mate for ya. it’s just a matter of time. justice for all murdered children
January 26, 2009
Lee’s attorney, Tom Luka, said the fact that Lee Anthony has not received a subpoena to testify could signal that the state may be looking to file charges against him. If he were subpoenaed, anything he said at a hearing could not be used against him in subsequent criminal charges. “There were a number of instances where he was acting on behalf of his sister, or on behalf of law enforcement, that now could be seen as something less than benign or could be seen as hindering the investigation instead of assisting it,” Luka said.
February 27, 2009
Lee was deposed in ZG lawsuit. Thomas Luka was with Lee during the deposition, a number of questions were certified.
March 11, 2009
Attorneys for Zenaida Gonzalez filed a motion Wednesday to compel Lee Anthony, brother of Casey Anthony, to answer some tough questions he dodged during his deposition 10 days ago.
March 16, 2009
Thomas Luka, attorney for Lee Anthony, filed new documents saying his client’s opinion about specific questions in Casey Anthony’s civil lawsuit were not relevant to a fact-finding deposition.
March 17, 2009
Media reported that the list of those subpoenaed by the state to testify at Casey’s trial had been released; the list reportedly includes Casey Anthony’s parents, Cindy and George, as well as her brother Lee. The list was not made public by any media outlet that I could find.
May 21, 2009
Morning hearing scheduled to ask Judge Rodriquez to compel George, Cindy, and Lee to answer civil case questions cancelled because Conway threw his back out. Judge Rodriquez required Keith Mitnik to appear before the judge during the time scheduled for the hearing to state for the record that Mitnik was also cancelling the scheduled Lee Anthony portion of the hearing for “strategic purposes.” Judge Rodriguez stated for the record that even though Conway was not able to appear on behalf of George and Cindy, Mitnik could have used the scheduled hearing to address Lee Anthony’s civil deposition, but Mitnik had called Thomas Luka and told him the hearing was cancelled.
July 30, 2009
Lawyers for ZG asked judge for an earlier hearing date than September 8 to address certified questions from the depositions of George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony and questions Casey refused to answer in the written interrogatories, but Orange Circuit Court Judge Jose R. Rodriguez said he is fully booked with other cases until then and that Morgan & Morgan should watch the schedule for cancellations.
July 31, 2009
Lee’s attorney, Thomas Luka, said he will be exiting the case since his representation is no longer needed; now that Lee has been deposed under subpoena.
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I’m not at all convinced that Lee got any immunity deal over and above the immunity attached to the SAO subpoena. Luka got Lee through the SAO’s nine-hour deposition, and now that the SAO has Lee’s sworn answers to their questions regarding the criminal case (answers which presumably will not change during trial), Luka is no longer needed to assist Lee in the matter of the murder trial. I can understand why Luka would say there is no reason for Lee to retain counsel at this point relative to the criminal trial.
But I don’t understand why Luka announced that he was quitting given that he has also been representing Lee in the civil case, and as far as Morgan & Morgan are concerned, Lee’s deposition is not finished. Luka was scheduled to be with Lee on May 21, a hearing that was cancelled and rescheduled for September 8.
Oops – forgot one:
July 30, 2009
Lee Anthony deposed 9am-5pm at the State Attorneys’ Office for the criminal case.
If Lee had been granted a special immunity deal (which would be in writing) from the SAO prior to his deposition, then I don’t understand why Luka would have needed to accompany Lee to that nine-hour deposition. It seems to me from comments Luka made in the last week that the only immunity Lee got from the SAO is the immunity attached to the subpoena.
And it’s been too long since I skimmed Lee’s ZG deposition, but I can’t think, off the top of my head, what questions he refused to answer during the civil deposition.
What kind of a loser am I that I jump at the ability to answer a question for the all-knowing, all-seeing, much appreciated Maura.. teehee.
Technically, he did not refuse any questions. Luka certified them. Which in essence throws the responsibility on the judge as to their “relevance” if that was the asserted grounds.
I will say this, Lee flat out LIED about knowledge of Caylee’s Father, which I did a small piece on at this site, referencing Lee in his impromptu curb side interview. You bet your bippy I sent that to my BF John Morgan in 3 shakes of a hog-tied lamb on a June evenin in JUU Lie.
(ok, havin a little silly on my much hearted JBM on a Sundee.
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Ohhh I see (light bulb) if cindy also had that umbilical cord bit from caylee and didn’t provide that to LE when proof of DNA was requested and instead she provided a shared hairbrush instead……geez silver, does your fingers get sore from all the shouting you do? LOL
ABC Action News has a video report that does NOT mention anything about Baez having evidence, including the umbilical cord and forensics reports in the ‘brown bag’ and that this was turned over on March 19, 2009 after Baez kept the evidence for months.
What ABC Action News does report, while it shows video of brown bags being removed from the Anthony home by LE during a search, is that ‘from the home’, investigators took items including Caylee Anthony’s ‘UMBILICAL CORD’.
ABC intentionally confusing the issue and not bringing up the issue of Baez withholding evidence including at the top of the list ‘umbilical cord’??? ABC was once very tight with Cindy as we know from Blink’s ‘crab-puffs and steak’ article.
Is ABC biased in it’s reporting here? Seems so, on the surface of things. (they can’t be that slipshod, can they???)
Sorry Kleat, check other ABC comment, I was actually responding to you
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source…. video on top right hand of this page:
http://www.abcactionnews.com/mostpopular/story/New-evidence-released-in-Casey-Anthony-case/uN_9l3EaQUulsQ-9yHPZoQ.cspx
for ease of reference, the text copy of the report says:
“There’s also more about what deputies found during an August 6th search of the 4937 Hopespring Drive address where Caylee and Casey Anthony lived.
Two things were pulled from the home: Caylee Anthony’s umbilical cord, and according to a written statement from Cindy Anthony, a hair straightener that was once owned by Zaneida Gonzalez. Casey has claimed that a woman named Zandeida Gonzales took Caylee.”
The umbilical cord was not taken August 6th 2008, but I’d expect that if it had been located in the home, it would have been seized at that time if the warrant allowed. Baez had the umbilical cord for up to 7 months, unless Cindy hid the cord and items for a time herself before Casey gave permission for Baez to have them.
The hair straightener was also NOT taken from the home in a search, but after the August 6th search, Cindy revealed the straightener as ‘found’ as evidence of a ‘Zanny’ person, and made her own disclosure of the item to LE in her sworn statement with ‘Suspect Zenaida F-G’ for ‘Kidnapping Offense’.
Why does ABC do such inept and SLOPPY and misleading work when the documents are so clear– they can even cheat by looking at the local stations reports then checking their own work before publishing.
I can tell you first hand the local abc affiliate was specifically told hands off in this case;that is until they lost the exclusive.
MMMUUHHHAAAA
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silverspnr,
What I was doing in an earlier post was analyzing one particular element, when discussing the car, and what was up with the removal of the evidence in Sept from the house. I was not implying that the rest of the very strong circumstantial evidence would not come into play. I was looking at what , or why, the defense did what they did, and what was the mindset, or what was the goal of these actions. Why they wanted to test the items. The only thing that they can do is try to chisel away, bit by bit, what the strongest direct evidence is. They will try to play to the jury a) that there was no decomp in the car, implying that the smell resulted from something else and that the death did not occur with Casey. b) try to appeal to the sense that criminal cases are supposed to be like CSI or other unrealistic TV shows where there is always a ton of ‘hard’ evidence in a case if the person is guilty.
I never said that it would necessarily work. You can see in some of my posts how ridiculous some of the tossed out defense strategies sound to me. But if they can get one juror to think that maybe it was just garbage in the car, that could be a problem , at least for THAT piece of evidence.
I believe that the defense will cop to the lying. There is a roundabout way of getting past the mental defense, since there is no proof of it or history, and that is that (I think) they will showcase Casey as a “compulsive liar”: that despite being in trouble, she couldn’t compel herself to tell the truth, in it’s entirety. This is different than a “pathological liar” who tells lies to forward a personal agenda. They might even call some kind of expert. I had sent Blink some definitions about the differences. Of course then they will top it off , if nothing else flies, with a post traumatic disorder.
Again, this is not to say that this is what I personally believe. Although my sense is that there probably was some psychological problem with Casey that was never addressed or diagnosed. I believe that Casey was somehow involved or present for the death of Caylee, whether intentional or accidental, and then covered it up.
But I do take a lot of interest in speculating where the defense is going to go. And certainly, no case is ever a slam dunk, you just never know what some jurors think.
#174 well kleat,you ,what else would need to be buried in the yard with the baby?which yard? which time? by who ? are you suggesting cindy? backyard?Although i dont think casey(or cindy ) could bury the umbilical cord with caylee cuz it would be way to incriminating should the grave be found.you ask why wouldnt casey bury the umb cord ,well that wouldnt look like a kidnapping that would look personal,so did the heart sticker,but i would think the heart sticker would be explained as some personal show of love. as far as burying caylee in the BACKyard how ludicris is that? ,i mentioned embarrassing myself with that theory,because i think its uhmm weird,but the a’s are weird i dont know, but the gas can incident fits, you see george didnt want caylee buried in the backyard either ,so when he discovered the shed broke into he checked to see if casey took the body,as he knew casey didnt want caylee in the backyard,so he didnt tell cindy (serves her right,he might think)about the gas cans or that casey took the remains,cuz he agreed, but he called the report in,to cover his ass ,cuz um he doesnt want to be the suspect ala the ramseys ,the mccann’s.KLEAT are you maybe suggesting the umb cord was in the temp spot(maybe permanent)and when casey unburied caylee in the playhouse she left the umb cord and that’s whaT cindy found in the backyard on the 3rd, ,when she discoverd the remains gone,she sends lee to find casey to geyt the body back but its too late for that,at this point all they can do is just hope casey does the right thing with the body and then they discoverd she spillt decomp in the car.i wonder if A JULY 4 PUBLIC CROWDED EVENT SITE(universal,busch gardens,cocoa beach,) TOURIST spot was to be the stage for the kidnapping,AMBER ALERT NATIONWIDE SEARCHING REPORTS AND TIPS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD,would they ever have looked in the backyard? and even if they did,there would still be jesse,amy,rico,neighbor,etc.
If my speculations hold any water, they are a heads-up, no?
O.K., I tried researching it but all I got was Heavy metal bands. What is a “death band”?
Thanks guys.
Well you know me I had to go searching.found the date cindy gave the hairbrush to OCSO as july 21 2008, that’s what I found. JUU LIE 21. Here is the link http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/25/ng.01.html
Joan
“O.K., I tried researching it but all I got was Heavy metal bands”
That tickled me! LOL!
Here’s a few to get an idea. I’m still trying to locate the body farm studies again.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11210902
Postmortem microscopic changes observed at the human head hair proximal end.
Linch CA, Prahlow JA.
Division of Forensic Science, Richmond, VA 23218, USA.
Only two types of human hair roots (proximal ends) derived from decomposing scalps are reported in the literature. The most common representation of the putrid root includes a postmortem dark root band in published photomicrographs. In this study, 22 cases were reviewed in which there was reliable time of death documentation from medical investigator reports. A review of these cases finds that the most common putrid hair proximal end change does not contain the postmortem root band. Four primary types of hair proximal end postmortem change were identified. This study finds no correlation of time of death with scalp hair proximal end decomposition. In addition two examples are presented that suggest that hair roots do not decompose after fresh removal from the scalp and exposure to the outside elements.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10782981?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
The use of microscopic postmortem changes in anagen hair roots to associate questioned hairs with known hairs and reconstruct events in two murder cases.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:CbSMKBnrdHAJ:etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/etd-01242005-145140/unrestricted/Collier_thesis.pdf+putrid+root+in+cadavers+hair+u+of+tennesee&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
ESTIMATING THE POSTMORTEM INTERVAL IN
FORENSIC CASES THROUGH THE
ANALYSIS OF POSTMORTEM DETERIORATION OF HUMAN HEAD HAIR
Hands off, huh!! Wow Blink. Now I had ‘suspiciouns’ along those lines but you can ‘buy’ the press!?!!? I mean an ordinary manipulative person like Cindy and co. can do it? Flies in the face of ‘freedom of the press concept’, doesn’t it. Suppose they are still hoping for an inside scoop from the Anthony’s, maybe an interview with Ms. Princess C. herself when all is said and done.
But manipulating ‘facts’ by what ABC has just done in that text report and video, creates a whole version distant from truth. There is something very wrong here when they can blatantly lie for Baez and the Anthony’s. There is no other way to put it, but to lie for some purpose because what they reported had nothing to do with either the hair straightener given to LE by Cindy and documented AFTER the search date, and nothing to do with the items including umbilical that were given to Baez who kept them until March 19, 2009. The umbilical cord would have been useful, but Cindy clearly kept it safely out of reach of the authorities– she did not want any body ID’d so it seems.
Joan, you will have to go back to the early early forensic reports on the car when a hair was found with a ‘black colouration’ at the root, which apparently only happens to a hair that comes from a body, which is consistent with the idea of a body being in the trunk. That hair was identified by mitochondrial DNA, which the defense will claim does not identify the baby individually, as the hair could also come from Casey.
Blink, NP caught the comment– both posts were mine anyway!
Just amazing, inept and ‘bought out’, that ABC!
#194 & 195 Thanks for the explanation. Now I don’t feel like I’m missing out on something that might make me just a bit more intelligent. Great minds working here. Me, I’m on heavy metal bands.
lol.
Keep up the good work guys.
Re:162 Kleat: I agree with everything you said. Lying is a “way of life” for Cindy. I think her brother, Rick Plesea ,
can vouch for that. (Remember she denied Casey was pregnant when they attended his wedding.)
Regarding Mack’smom saying: Caylee is not an angel…I think everyone knows that. No one “turns into an angel” at death. I think wearing jewelry with one’s loved one’s ashes is a personal choice. Surely not for everyone, but for some a comfort.
I think everyone here would agree that Cindy, Geo.and Lee loved Caylee deeply. I can’t see how anyone would doubt that. However, in spite of the deepest of grief for Caylee, in spite of all evidence pointing to Casey, they immediately “tried to rescue her”. I mean, that baby was murdered in a brutal, painful, and terrifying way! That’s why alot of people are “confused and bewildered” by their defense of Casey. Enough time as passed for them to deal with this, and they still defend her, and say she is innocent. How sad.
One thing I know: JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED FOR CAYLEE….all the lies in the world will ever change that!
oops…NEVER change that.
So when do you think the gas can conversation happened between George and Casey – if not on 6/24? Why lie?