Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: New Discovery Released – Lee Anthony Granted Immunity?
Orlando, Florida– Over 1500 pages of New Discovery have been released by the State’s Attorney’s Office in the Case against Casey Anthony for the murder of 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony.
A source speaking on condition of anonymity to blinkoncrime.com, believes almost half of the information contained in the reports relates to Jesse Grund, Casey’s former fiancee’.
SOURCE LINKS TO DOCUMENTS (11:05AM):
http://www.wesh.com/news/20224026/detail.html
Parts 1–18 at above link
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for updates and source links as they become available.
WFTV is reporting the Lee Anthony has been granted immunity prior to his deposition by the State’s Attorney’s office this morning. Blinkoncrime has not been able to corroborate this report at the time of this posting. Lee is also facing a motion to compel his testimony in the civil case against his sister, lodged by Zenaida Gonzalez through her attorney John Morgan.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for this developing story.
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Blink — re your response to #226 …
I understand where you’re coming from. My perspective is, since G&C were indeed all Caylee had, it is doubly horrific she was not protected by them. One less dress-up outfit/photo opp and a little more productive attention to their daughter’s proclivities might’ve made the difference.
God bless little Caylee and all children who offer unconditional love to those who do not deserve it. If Caylee had been allowed to grow up and found herself in therapy later in life (a distinct possibility, in my opinion), she would’ve been disabused of the notion her immediate family had her best interests at heart. She would need to see them as they truly are, in order to save herself and any children she might have.
But I agree at not-quite-three, G&C were indeed all she had, and for Caylee’s sake, I suppose it’s the better part of valor to look at what they did provide her, as opposed to what they did not.
I will continue to hope, though, that families who resemble the Anthonys will not use any convenient excuse to avoid doing the hard work the Anthonys had no appetite for.
http://www.wesh.com/news/20261769/detail.html
delayed again…………. why????
Blink: #237
The Anthony’s have done some unbelieveable things…but the things I find MOST disturbing are the things they didn’t do…
-They never went on National T.V. to make a plea to the public to help find their daughter.
-They never thanked LE for finding the body of their precious Granddaugher.
-They never, willing, assisted LE in trying to find the “kidnapper.”
And, on and on and on…
Their lack of actions speak as loud or louder than any action they have taken.
Ooops….should say “Granddaughter” on my first point!
43-44 boo
thanks so much for the good tips. I am going to take it and use it!!
nice place to hangout (here) good people good insight!!
CHICA
Blink as I said I do respect her brother for stepping up to the plate but what I was trying to get across (I am really not as good as putting my thoughts into words as some on here) is that their family dynamics already was set as how they would respond. He has been very honest and I believe only had Caylee’s best interest at heart when he took the high road and told the truth..
And you are so right as far as there isn’t the Waltons out there and truth be known I would probably be the one with the flask in my family
but for the most part we love each other and communicate and as we get older (40′s and above) it feels like we hold on even more.. I just think there has been disfunction for a long time.. But that is JMO and I am really not trying to offend anyone. I respect both Shirely and Rick for what they have done to help. It couldn’t have been easy for either of them. In Rick’s own words he talks about Cindy and her make believe world and the distance between all the siblings. Something went wrong a long time ago..
Agreed. My family is made up of all kinds of personalities. My siblings and I are very different, but we all know we have each others back in a nano second. I just didnt want anyone making Rick and my hero Mrs. Plesea wrong for sticking up for Caylee; as I feel he did that.
B
88-89 DEE
Yes girl I do get tongue tied. I didnt check what I wrote before I posted!! I dunno but I do think that there is verification of the finger prints on the tape!! ??? right???
I am trying to play catch up here! alot to read
BOO
Do you think cindy comes here to read!! Now that you mentioned it I think she is just that sneaky and nosey!! total mental wacked out gone overboard!!
Now if they took these items in september for DNA testing they knew Caylee was already dead. Jessie, already had the DNA card. The attorney wanted these items to get a jump start on how they were going to defend Casey. Many tapes in the beging between Casey and her family you can hear them just probing for information about where Caylee could be or what might have happened. But after her last trip to the house is where all the actions of the Anthony’s and the lawyers changed. George knew what to say to Casey about sponge bob square pants, as you can see her reactions are more intensed. I personally think The Anthony’s found out the truth from Casey when she was out for the last time. Now let’s note it might not be whole truth of what happened but the knew at that time. That’s when they all got serious on defending her and changing their statements. They had pcs of the puzzle then but just didn’t know where and how to put them in the proper places. I do agree Casey killed Caylee, and had to have time to think of where to place her, because if she didn’t she has been many place she could have put her quickly. The Anthony’s wanted to be in searches for missing children to help ease the pain of their loss for Caylee but I truly think that was their way of saying they were sorry for letting her down, not supporting her dead at the hands of her mother. Now Casey would be a good person to look for a missing child. Because they say once you have done things like this you know what to look for as you think like the killer, and as we can see most clearly by all of her actions she has killed poor Caylee.
92# Comment by westsidehudson
Is it possible that the credit card statments could be obtained without cindys help!! since she is so resistant to helping Justice for caylee??? could that information be obtained with a court order etc????
dee, different versions from different news– according to one story that quoted Conway, there is no delay because George’s depo was scheduled for later in the week in the first place. If that’s the case, msm might have just assumed the depo would follow the next working day.
But some time between depos of Cindy and Lee seems to make a lot of sense for the prosecution to digest what they got and review their plans for George’s interrogatories. Sure, George can practice ‘telling the truth’ according the family and defense lines, but George does not know all that the investigators learned, what they really know. He might be the one of the three caught and squeezed in the ‘truth vice’ and if he plays manipulative games with every emotional technique in the book to control the depo, he will do Casey a lot of harm. (ie: Bill Schaeffer’s raw video reviewed George’s actions/antics/arrogance in the Mn’M depo in April)
I’ve been thinking about that story told about cindy choking casey. I’ve been thinkiing about what kw told blink about “the killer” confessing to cindy.I know there are neighbors on the list who will testify to a loud argument at the anthony’s on 6/15 but what if cindy actually attacked casey when she confessed to killing casey? Just a thought
I mean wouldn’t that make more sense then hearing about caylee being murdered and saying “shut the F…up?
What If geo did out of concern for caylee confronted casey not about gas cans but about caylees whereabouts? Is this when casey said “stop acting like a cop and start acting like a dad”? This statement might have put a stop to geo’s questions.
But he might have followed casey just the same
#243 Scarlett – I don’t think the post by Mackenzie’s mom was lost on ANYBODY here. There is a big difference between sympathy and empathy. For those of us who have not experienced such a loss – we cannot empathize but I think that all of the posters who misunderstood the meaning behind the jewelry and umbilical cord were very quick to respond with sympathy and apologies. I have 4 boys and I cannot begin to understand what a loss of one of them would be like and I do not know what lengths I would go to to preserve memories or anything/everything related to them.
The thing I really love about this site is the fact that Blink is careful to make sure – even with the Anthony family – that there are no personal and/or snarky attacks that just don’t bring anything to the table as far as mature discussion and dissemination of facts. A personal tidbit about me – I was banned from Scared Monkeys for continuing to disagree with posters that were continually bashing the lifestyle of Haleigh Cumming’s ‘circle’. This isn’t the time or place for that topic – but until there is evidence – you never know who is innocent or guilty and of what.
The way I see things here is there are several things that posters disagree upon. A few being 1) What Geo, Cindy & Lee knew and when. 2) Whether or not Casey intended to retrieve the car 3) Whether or not the grandparents were capable of really loving Caylee or was the family too dysfunctional all along to provide a nurturing environment for her and were unable to recognize Caylee was in danger 4) George’s suicide attempt – was it staged or not, etc . . .
But the best thing is that everybody reads with care, responds with maturity and passion and is truly concerned about Caylee’s legacy. Along the way we also get to know some personal stuff about one another. I am thankful for the compassion and intelligence brought to the table here.
Hey wait (light bulb) did geo tell kw he saw casey ditch the car at amscot?
Is that why casey told tony l that her dad was going to take care of the car which btw he did. Did geo actually confront casey at amscot? Hmmmmmmm
I have a question for Silverspn, Kleat, Blink or whoever. What is the purpose in the Defense coming out and insisting their client is “innocent” as opposed to “not guilty”? With Baez, I thought for awhile that he may have fallen for Casey’s story – whichever one she was selling at the time, but then Andrea Lyons signed on and immediately went on TV to proclaim that their client was “absolutely innocent” and they would prove it. That threw me. I would think that a seasoned attorney would not make such a sweeping statement. If it is to affect the jury pool, doesn’t it have the potential to raise expectations and backfire?
Also, Blink, can your sources identify for certain whether we are talking about a literal umbilical cord or some kind of tether?
Thank you.
This site is so much better than any talking heads on tv, no matter their expertise. Most of them don’t know a portion of what most of the posters on this site know. I learn so much from this blog.
Wonder if Baez and Lyon think Casey’s other personality (ZG) is the one that killed Caylee? I believe she used the alias ZG for her own advantage. I will never believe she has multiple personality disorder. But this may be Baez big OHHH moment. He may think everyone will just take his word for it.
Come on George show the world but mostly show Caylee you love her……TELL THE TRUTH IT WILL SET YOU FREE
Blink, will George finally come to terms with the truth and “spill it” at trial? What all do you think Lee knows, to the extent that LE would grant him immunity?
Also, hasn’t Casey already had a psychological evaluation? I would assume that she was declared “sane”?
imo cindy is a perfect candidate for jail time everyone would benefit,if indeed turns out to be the situation,but the anthony’s absolutely should not make money off of this,if it takes charges to prevent that ,then by any means i hope they get convictions.
Gosh my head’s spinning going from both comment sections going on here! Playing catch-up.
First to Mack’s Mom, I assure you I spoke from my heart in my post to you. So sorry that words written here do not relay what is in someone’s heart. I am the mother of an angel. When God chose to take Angela Rochelle away from this earth, the only way I could cope with it and explain it to her little brother and sister was God wanted her to be an angel in heaven. I, again, say I have great empathy for the loss of your child. (“One feels empathy when one has “been there” and sympathy when one hasn’t.”).
Having said the above, let’s put that aside, and move back to what we are all here for. Caylee.
Blink, thank you for sharing the story of your reactions to your father’s illness, and subsequent behavior. I am known as being as cool as a cucumber in a life saving situation as a nurse. But, if it’s one of my own…no way.
Silver, thank you for explaining Cindy’s depo so well. It left me with a lot to rethink!
The brush vs the brush: I can easily see where having a brush with JUST Caylee’s hair in it could be of value to the case. The only hair samples forensics has is from a decomposed body. Because of the D
NA make of hair,the hair obtained from the trunk could have been either Casey or Caylee’s. Since Casey is alive, process of elimination makes it Caylee’s. I have no idea (if Casey had drugged Caylee) how long it takes for those drugs to make it to hair. What if there had been traces of drugs in hair in Caylee’s brush,ect (from previous times of needing her to sleep while Casey was out). But, I assume the prosecution has no hair sample other than the one’s from her head and the one they found as a decomp hair in the trunk. The hair sample’s obtained from Casey’s brush could not be distinguished as her’s or Caylee’s right?
My thoughts today are I know there is a “boatload” of forensic evidence. We have heard nothing about things like the DNA from the death circle in the car trunk; the shovel, (remember the neighbor Brian submitted DNA samples and the FBI took samples from the shovel); the paper towels,ect. And did anyone see number 173, if I remember the number correctly, of the FBI inventory list….Pregnacy test????? I sure hope Maura can explain that one to me
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and especially if schemed for the money,that might should be a seperate investigation of its own.
227 Blink
I do see Cindy’s ill intentions in the email she sent to Garrison. She was being spiteful in not getting the Caylee-only brush. I am in no way defending what Cindy did. The point I have been making is that what Cindy did does not justify an obstruction charge. I believe we are in agreement on her malice and the fact that she did provide the items she was asked to provide. The only thing we do not agree on is the reason why she did not get the Caylee-only brush; on that question, I have only my opinion, an opinion that I concede could be wrong.
Agreed, and fair.
B
what did cindy to gohave backto work for? duty to the job , hospital style decomp remover?since they deal will the dead?(was that already coverd j.g. as a no?)only to dicoverd it was too big of a removal job,or was there something on her computer at work(if she has one?)
Sorry Carolyn S, I’ve got the same confusion on that one!!
I’ll sit back and wait for other’s ideas on this one– unless it’s hot air, ‘asking for the world and hoping to get anything’ thinking.
None of the anthony’s posess any kind of integrity!!! If only they could see from our view how they present themselves to the world!! I highly doubt that cindy has much interactions with her mother/siblings since this came down. I did notice at the memorial that Shirley sat behind the anthonys! isnt that kind of odd! I would want my mother sitting with me and my family If I was going through what they were!! going through. The Anthonys are like nothing I have ever seen before.
major problem asap?,sounds collusive, how bout smell something dead in car where is caylee?
Blink wrote:
“Luka and Conway share an office, the only thing I can come up with is that there is the possibility that the A’s may face criminal charges as a result and Luka through his ethical obligation went over the disclosures of what that means in an office sharing scenario.”
If there were no conflict of interest, I assume that one lawyer, or one firm and more than one lawyer, would have been able to represent all three Anthony’s. But unless this was/is the case, there ‘should’ be no sharing of information between the lawyers, but we sure know that happens, even with lawyers on opposite sides, sharing too much with the opposing lawyer, who then takes that info to clients. I think you have to assume the lawyers will talk, and when they do, they will ‘use’ that info. I also know that legal assistants share information at the direction of opposing lawyers’ legal assistants, which is shocking, but I know first hand, it happens. Therefore, I can’t imagine keeping things confidential between independent lawyers who share office space, JMPE.
And as far as Cindy’s belief on July 21 that Caylee was still alive, consider that Leonard Padilla didn’t come on the scene until August 15, and he maintained his belief that Caylee was alive for about two weeks. I find it beyond belief that a man with as many years of experience dealing with criminals could have believed that Casey was innocent and that Caylee was alive, but people who have talked to him personally say he was very sincere in those beliefs. And if he, who had no emotional ties to Casey and Caylee, could believe those things, how much easier was it for George and Cindy to rationalize to whatever degree necessary to hold onto hope?
On August 15, Leonard told Nancy Grace, “There`s nothing that has been done that proves to me that she`s dead. Cadaver dogs don`t prove to me that she`s dead.
On August 18, Leonard said on the Nancy Grace Show, “Well, the thing about it is, I can`t stop people from thinking those thoughts. My thinking is, the little girl is alive. She can be found. It`s a different theory we`re working on. And furthermore, there`s a $250,000 reward out there. What I`m saying is, Look, you`ve got the baby. For whatever reason, you didn`t return her. You`re panicky about law enforcement arresting you for kidnapping. Bring her in. You can have that reward. I`m only interested in Caylee being brought back home. That`s all.”
On August 22, Leonard said on the Nancy Grace Show, “No, no. What I`m saying is, I think she`s possibly with the — OK, let`s say Zenaida, a lady that baby-sat the girl, the daughter, off and on for a year-and-a-half. If this lady participated in taking the baby, going back to the original statements she made to law enforcement, then maybe she feels that no harm will come to her, that the lady is just there pushing her for whatever, you know, maybe…”
On August 23, Leonard told Geraldo he was going to give the people who have Caylee five days to give her back before he goes after them.
On August 25, Leonard told Nancy Grace that the 431 pages of discovery released earlier that day only show that Casey lies about everything but he still thinks she gave Caylee to someone she knew and trusted and that’s why she knows Caylee is safe and isn’t worried about Caylee.
On August 26, Leonard told Nancy Grace that there was a smell of decomp in the car trunk but nobody has said whose DNA is in the trunk.
Kleat, silverspnr, thank you for the responses, your words mean a lot and I hope on the subject mine will soon reflect such knowledge.
The A’s are truly in a unique position which I hope to never experience. I don’t doubt that anyone of them loved Caylee dearly.
That being said I have two quick (I’ll try) points to suggest…
There is a clear pattern of the A’s lying, misleading, and potentially covering evidence. I don’t know much about criminal law, but one thing I know for certain is; if you make things difficult for the SA, they will be sure to return the favor (even here in Floriduh). The SA has some very bright people under their employ, and I’m sure they’re prepared to expose (in court) all of their shenanigans to help convict KC…
If you’re not going to tell us the 100% truth, then we plan to expose your deceit to cement your daughter’s fait. Go ahead and lye if you want to though.
I don’t doubt for a minute the SA already has the answers, and means to prove, for ALL of the questions they may have asked, or plan to ask the A’s.
Enter: Another batch of curiosity… FL Statue 777.03 (1) (c ) Accessory after the fact…
**Any person who maintains or assists the principal or an accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed a crime and such crime was a capital, life, first degree, or second degree felony, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.
(2) (a) If the felony offense committed is a capital felony, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the first degree, punishable as…
Again, I’m not very knowledgeable on criminal law but this one sounds like a tastey, and a 1st degree felony… Yum yum… Any thoughts? Call me an idiot I won’t cry?
OK… on to point 2
And on this, I approach with great respect and a genuine interest in provoking thoughtful dialog, no malice.
Re 250… Clint, Blink I agree with you 100%. There is nothing in either of you comments that any rational person could disagree with. However, with respect to the A’s this logic can be cast out the window as over a year has passed, and the adrenaline has subsided. They have had plenty time to examine what is right, and wrong. There have been plenty of chances for them to come clean, or at least fade out of the limelight. Any competent counsel would be sure to aware their clients of the inevitable “price to pay”. But then again at their lawyers office you can buy a corndog and must pay by the hour with tickets purchased from the front desk. (honestly, a knock on legal ability not physical… just replay the M&M depos and listen to his “objections”… JM pwnd lawyerskate)
And no kris post would be complete w/out a crappy speculation…
LA has been surprisingly quiet over the past 10 or so months when compared to G&CA. Could LA have been “providing information” to SA after being confronted w/ faults in his stories last summer? Perhaps his lawyer is really telling us something in his comments (Lee no longer needs an atny & he came clean ). What if that’s the honest truth? In this case any honesty from that side could be overlooked…. HAHAHAHA
Goodnight, much love.
237 Silver
If Cindy told LE that the hairbrush she provided was used by both Casey and Caylee, then she did not mislead them.
Larry Garrison said he confronted Cindy about the hairbrush, and she responded in an email on November 21: “I never lied I just never went to my bathroom to get the hairbrush that I used only for Caylee.”
When the story broke, Cindy was asked by local reporters about the email and Cindy said she told LE on July 21 that the hairbrush she was providing was used by both Caylee and Casey.
Larry Garrison’s original email to Cindy was never released, nor do I believe it was even forwarded to the media with Cindy’s November 21 response. Garrison’s motives in sending this email to the media (without his initial email to Cindy) are not above suspicion because nine days earlier, on November 12, the Anthonys fired him for making money off the case. Mark NeJame provided to the media invoices and emails between NBC and Garrison showing Garrison had received $6500 for photos he didn’t have and that weren’t shown on Dateline.
We don’t know what Cindy ever said to Garrison about the hairbrush or in what context the subject was mentioned. As you noted, intent counts.
Cindy’s failure to walk across the house and get the hairbrush used only for Caylee was vile. But if OCSO asked for a hairbrush that was used on Caylee and Cindy gave them a hairbrush that was told them was used by Caylee and Casey, then her failure to get the Caylee-only brush was a moral failure but not a crime.
Cindy’s credibility was damaged by her decision – there is no doubt about that – but I don’t believe LE has grounds to charge her with obstruction because of that decision.
Agreed, but again I go back to adding the other actions and behavior that support actual obstruction; I think we are assuming some, and will learn some.
B
I do hope that cindy does come here to read. somehow I think she does lurk to see what speculations and comments we have. She wont post but surely will lurk in the shadows like a thief in the night!!!
she is bonker’s beyond bonkers!! gone over the edge to a point of no return!! She is taking her husband and son along for the ride. Malory should of gotten out while the gettin was good. this family is not a family I would bring another grandchild into!! THEY ARE DANGEROUS!!!
I am sad that they have chosen to bring out Jesse Grunds personal life into public view to make him look like a suspect!!Jesse was guilty of one thing only and that is: loving casey and caylee unconditionaly!! But casey didnt want to compete for his attention. so she bailed.
anyone that crosses cindy will have hell to pay!! she attacks people with great vengeance!! I dont think Jesse has anything to worry about. I have faith in god that he will bring him through. I am sure Jesse has many people that will come foward as character witnesses!!! casey I doubt has anyone to say anything good about her. Her grandmother and uncle rick can confirm that.
For Jesse Grunds father if you come here to read : please know that we care what happends to your son and totaly believe that he had nothing to do with this evil accusation that has attacked him from vicious cindy!! have faith in god and see how god will bring him through!!! keep the faith!!!
Chica
Speaking of Mallory. Isn’t it interesting that we haven’t seen any statement or interview from her by LE?
The 27 Florida Statutes for Obstructing Justice are at the following link:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0843/ch0843.htm
Maura re 281 that really made me step back and look for the refresh button. I got on to this at Christmas sitting up late to zone out after everyone went to bed. Up popped this case and the endless video evidence. I had LP there much earlier than he was. I have a bit of a soft spot for Leonard. Perhaps the juxtaposition of days gone by with a vast array of twenty something moving at warp speed with combustion engines and electronic devices. But what I hear from LP now does not convey his spoken words in August. boo hoo
Blink,
Maura , Although Cindy says she told LE she used the brush on both doesn’t make it so , AS we have all discovered she lies , as far as giving the other items (yet withholding the umbilical cord and lets not forget that Baez also had a toothbrush ) , as far as the toothbrushes that they did retrieve from Cindy that day , we may very well find out that they may not have been of any value to LE , as far as the oral Therm, Most Old school Nurses use a rectal one on a child of that age , due to the fact that mercury is involved,besides that most definetly always Clean After each use by placing in Alcohol and then peroxide solution ( Old School ) So point is the whole matter I’m sure will come out in the end and IMO Accessory after the fact ..
Blink : After going over the phone records I realized where some may have made some mistakes , It appears that the story of events on 6/15th seem to end around 7pm. I can explain First George was not home, with that said :
At 3:35 pm someone from the A’ Home calls KC Cell She has it go to voice mail ,then she retrieves the message .( Note this is a Pattern )
At 5:06pm KC calls Home , IMO I believe to tell her she is almost there . Then it is totally Quiet for 2 hours !
At 7:06 pm KC starts Texting TL Until 7:10 pm then she calls him for approx 3 1/2 minutes, Then she goes back to texting 7:13pm – then 22 min gap then back to texting TL from 7:36pm – 8:14pm then amy texts her then she texts amy back 8:15p then right back to TL texting pretty consistently . with only two 6min gaps and one 8 min gap until 9:26pm then there is a 40 min gap until she gets a text from TL at 10:05 pm > then KC calls TL for 10 min. and so on
My Point is this at 7:45 am on 7/16 someone from the A’s calls KC she has it go to Voice mail then retrieves it ! 1 Hour later she is texting TL again Until he calls her at 11:47 am for 18 min .
KC Left that home after that fight Before GA came home , its quite possible that Cindy told her to get out and the reason She feels the Guilt and the Need to Help her Daughter Just saying ,
Sorry Blink you can see it here :
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3543186/Call-Log-Focus-on-Anthonys-and-Lexus
BTW : I am not by any means giving Cndy a free pass for Behavior either, Not to Offend anyone but Traumatic Shock and PTS is no excuse for not doing the Right and Just thing , When it involves a Child . There were plenty of Times up and including the M & M Depo’s When Cindy could have conducted herself properly & with Honesty in memory of her Beloved Caylee , yet instead She Chose to Humiliate, and degrade ZFG, And Lie Through her Teeth all the While trying to Intimidate and antagonize the lawyers who were trying to conduct themselves with restraint and respect , Something IMO that is Very Foreign to Her !
267 Boo
Did Geo know that Casey left her car at amscot? On 6/27 Did he follow her there after he got his cans back when she was home taking stuff?
Then on the 911 calls from Cindy, KC says to Cindy “What do you mean you don’t know what my involvement is in this.” Did KC assume Geo told Cindy about the car being left at amscot? Then the car was towed away, but maybe geo thought she went back to retrieve it?
That was not on the 911 call, that was on her call home from jail for Tony’s number.
B
#240 Thanks boo:)
Just two quick questions
1. When Casey went back and saw that the car was gone did she think it was stolen????
and
2. I see still a lot of people think that the A’s knew what happened long before LE got involved… But then why would they throw their precious Casey under the bus on the 15th?? This just does not make sense.. I think we have to look at the big picture
What would be truly illuminating for me, would be to see the docs that had to be turned over regarding the PIs. If it is not a ‘work product’, who were they trailing and watching, if anyone? Who told them to look where Caylee’s remains were discovered? Why was the state requesting a transcript of the sidebar that involved how the defense was being paid?
What was contained in those emails that were “hacked” from Cindy’s computer and sent to Sean Krause and Kathy Belich? Were those attempts at obstruction?
If we knew those answers, it might better put into prospective the hair brush incident.
Everyone has their opinion, but no one knows for certain when Cindy knew Caylee was deceased. Clearly though, she called her daughter a sociopath in the past, went to therapy for the lies and thefts, so she had some strong indications and hard evidence, herself, that her daughter wasn’t “mother of the year”. Whether or not that translates that early on that she digested or found out definitively that Caylee was dead, we can’t know. But Cindy is street smart & tough, it had to have at least been a very strong suspicion based on the car smell and her daughter’s past, as a possibility.
If she was being completely honest in the FBI interview, she might have said something like, “you know we’ve had problems with Casey in the past, but I can’t conceive that she would do anything this terrible”. But instead, she started to rewrite history to an extent. When you feel that you have to alter who a person is, then doesn’t that imply that you have your own suspicions, at least on a subconscious basis? Especially after she wrote the “my space” prose detailing all of her disappointments about Casey and how SHE was really was the caretaker of Caylee.
how SHE was really the caretaker of Caylee.
CORRECTION for people that actually speak english.
#292 kosmo. I believe that cindy had no choice but to call 911 because geo had the car.
“2. I see still a lot of people think that the A’s knew what happened long before LE got involved… But then why would they throw their precious Casey under the bus on the 15th?? This just does not make sense.. I think we have to look at the big picture”
Kosmo,
Excellent point.
Maybe I am missing it, but I dont see people that think they knew Caylee was missing or deceased before the 15th, I personally do not. What I believe, is that nanny story started about 7/3, when something was found in the yard, and she invented this entire ruse of Jax, Hopkins, blah blah to go with it. The other thing I would like to point out, is that on 7/3, when Lee was calling Casey and Fusion, etc, and Casey told Troy that Lee was saying he was going to pick her up, that makes no sense to me. How did he know she did not have her car?? Why not say, If you dont drive over here, I will come to you, that was not her version. Considering Cindy started the myspace page that night, about her Caylee being taken away, I say they knew or suspected something then. I will preface that by saying there is a huge difference between mild anxiety that a situation does not sound right and the knowledge it is very wrong.
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blink, has Casey ever presented her so-called “proof” of her “note of instructions” from the phantom nanny? I would also think that if the Baez dream team wanted to seem credible, they wouldn’t have signed off on a sworn statement of Zenaida took Caylee.
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#290 anita. That stmt plus her stmt to Tony L when he picked casey up when she told him her dad would take care of the car, plus if you listen to geo describe his run in with casey “on 6/24″ riiight, you can tell he is lying plus the questions he was being aske by LE about the cans
So since Casey has no documentation to support her lying nanny theory, and obviously going down the Jesse Grund road is going to lead to nothing except more innocent people being hurt by this family, what options do you think Baez and Casey have left? Also blink, do you know if the FBI lab recovered one of Casey’s fingerprints from that ducttape found on Caylee?
“Maybe I am missing it, but I dont see people that think they knew Caylee was missing or deceased before the 15th, I personally do not. What I believe, is that nanny story started about 7/3, when something was found in the yard, and she invented this entire ruse of Jax, Hopkins, blah blah…”
Blink,
My opinion was that she knew/suspected around the time of the FBI interview. Just the way she stated “evidence of Caylee’s death”, but I can’t be certain.
I hear what you are saying, I keep going back and forth of whether she REALLY knew, or was in denial at that point. I know that she looked TRULY distraught in or around November,( or October). She looked thin, sick, and medicated, and in retrospect, I had wondered if that was then that it REALLY hit home for her. I didn’t read every post above Kosmo’s, so I thought perhaps someone else was arguing that she knew before I thought she knew. You know? (hahaha)