Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Baez Motionfest in Court This Morning
Orlando, FL– If yesterday’s antics at the press conference of attorney for the search group Texas Equusearch, Mark Nejame, were a precursor to this mornings motions hearing, it should prove to be a long day.
Exactly what pending motions are slated to be heard as there are several before the court at this time, remains to be seen, however, all have been initiated on behalf of the defense team Jose Baez and Andrea D. Lyon.
It is presumed the court will hear: Motion to delay the economic charges against Casey Anthony, motion response on behalf of TES Founder Tim Miller to be certified as a witness in the criminal case, Motion of 90 pages regarding evidence tested by the FBI (insert yawn). Motion regarding Anthony Lazzaro phone records, motion regarding Dominic Casey records and motion to preclude Leonard Padilla, Tony Padilla, Tracy Mclaughlin and Rob Dick from testifying as prosecution witnesses. Motion for anything I forgot.
Strap in. Ride starts at 9:30AM EST, live feed here:
Mark Nejame, Todd Macaluso, Andrea Lyon Argue TES Motion
First Up-Mark Nejame vs. Andrea Lyon TES motion 10:18 AM
White shoes. Repeat. White shoes in court. Got the petty out of the way, thanks for indulging me.
Mark presents to his Honor, Stan Strickland, the vast problematic issues with a broad request, which could encompass 4000 different individuals.
Andrea Lyon argued this is not a fishing expedition, it is the equivalent of the defense relying on the “Trust Me” argument on behalf of the state. They are not looking to expose people’s personal information. Ms. Lyon went on say the defense is willing to hang out at Mark’s office until they get what they need.
Judge Strickland in recent receipt of the answer, deferring ruling upon review in short order.
Jose Baez Argues Tony Lazzarro phone records
Baez argues Lazzarro was served, and that the motion has been narrowed and only received response yesterday at 4PM.
AttorneyJay, for Tony Lazzarro, argues he was not served either, was notified by a third party as to ammended motion. Jay agrees to requesting the 6 week period of records from AT &T, but is not optimistic he will be able to. Furthermore, the materiality of the defense request post July 15, 2008, has not been shown. All communication had ceased by then.
Judge Strickland grants a portion of the defense request, June 1 through September 2008, within 30 days.
Jose Baez Argues Motion to Preclude Leonard, Tony, Tracy and Rob
Baez calls George Anthony. Casey begins weeping openly. George discusses his interaction with the team.
Linda points out Mr. Padilla puts up $50k bond, so how is it he was unaware that his intention was to find his grandaughter. George is doubletalking that they volunteered to provide security only once she was out. Jim Campbell, was the retired LE officer was staying at the home at the time. Mr. Baez had to be present when any person spoke to Casey or was around her, if he were not, a family member had to be present at all times.
George states he knew nothing about the privacy arrangements they agreed to. Linda pointed out there were several people that could have transported Casey back and forth, and that they requested this service.
Ms. Drane Burdick presented the audio interviews of Leonard, Rob, and Tracy, about 3 hours worth which the Judge will review. She requested an original copy of the signed agreements for all parties.
*Secret*.. What Baez presented as the true and correct copies of the executed agreements by all parties is NOT.. Ms. Burdick is aware of this
Judge Strickland points out that Baez has had well over a year to file a temporary restraining order as Padilla as he has been “breaking that agreement” all over TV under this argument.
Ms. Drane Burdick argued Baez motion is essentially a gag order, and their has been no agency established, they posess the burden to establish privlege in the first place.
Oral agreement was hatched upfront between all parties, and prior to the written agreement. The agreement to provide security was a condition of posting the bond in the first place.
BAM… What I eluded to, Tony Padilla did not SIGN that agreement in the motion. Hello, Florida Bar, please hold…
I am intentionally shortening this segment, The State ate his lunch, and I have no clue why, but ruling deferred.
Motion to Determine a Trial Date Check Fraud
The state argues the check issues are relegated to specific dates and feels although witnesses may overlap, there is not an issue as to hearing testimony in the murder case. Baez is the only attorney on the docket of the case. The victim, Amy Huizenga, is asserting her right as a victim for the matter to be concluded. As an alternative, the State advises they are willing to go the bench trial route, which would allay the concerns altogether.
Ms. Lyon argues it is not their position it should never be tried and it is the states fault for seeking the death penalty in the murder case. Ms. Lyon sugested the state postpone the check fraud charges 60–90 days behind the murder charge.
Judge Strickland is considering this ruling as well
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#485-Silverspnr
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, it’s just one of those things that could be explained alternatively. When I said that she was living in a fantasy world, I didn’t really mean that in terms of a clinical DX. I meant that she made up lots of fantastical stories such as having a great autonomous job, a nanny, was looking to purchase a house, on & on: creating scenarios that she thought would make her more appealing to others, that weren’t true. Cindy and George didn’t seem to realize how many boyfriends she had. Did she do it as show for them.? Also, even though her dance card was full, she always appeared to be looking for the next “better thing”. Maybe she wanted to find a man was into having a child; sounds like the guys that she was hanging out with weren’t really ready for that. Maybe she was always seeking a replacement in the wings, if it didn’t work out with the other guys. I just meant that I didn’t see it as smoking gun evidence, and that someone could put a spin on it, like I just did.
# 486-
Yes, Maybe I am giving her too much credit.
Off topic slightly:
When are we going to hear about Strickland’s rulings?!
kleat,your probably right ,but anything new to do with latent prints is exitedly anticipated,or anything new actually.But what perfect timing to disclose prints,after the: “she couldnt put the body there, she was in jail”oh yeah, well how’d her fingerprints get there?
georgiamom, the ‘clickorlando’ story also says “The role Thompson plays in the case is not known.” So, he’s not a forensic expert presumably, for testimony. But possibly repaired the Anthony’s computers at some point perhaps…. (? awaiting Blink’s info and what her sources might have to say about this). I remember a comment by Lee (to TL in the car?) about some Best Buy repair Lee had done on his own computer, while he talked about the problems encountered that night of the 15th July, that he picked up the laptop Casey had been using at Tony’s.
Re: Cadaver Dogs in Anthony Backyard
In the early evening of July 17, George Anthony and an OCSO detective noticed an area of recently disturbed ground behind the pool in the Anthony backyard. The ground had been disturbed to a width of twelve inches and a depth of five inches. That area was flagged with marker #1.
Cadaver dogs were called in to search the yard.
The first dog, an Orange County K9, checked the backyard. The dog’s handler, Deputy Jason Forgery, told OCSO that the dog “paid special interest to the playground area and surrounding area near the playground.” The “playground” in his report referred to Caylee’s playhouse and the area surrounding area. The playhouse sat on 24 concrete pavers that formed a 6×6 base for the playhouse. The playhouse area was flagged with marker #2.
A second dog, an Osceola County K9, was called in. After checking the backyard, the Osceola dog’s deputy handler informed OCSO that her dog had shown interest in three areas in the backyard. The first area of interest for the Osceola dog was the playground area already flagged with marker #2. The second area of interest for the Osceola dog was a corner of ground near the screened porch that was flagged with marker #3. The third area of interest for the Osceola dog was the ground to the east of the playhouse that was between the playhouse’s paver platform and the covered sandbox; that ground was flagged with marker #4.
Neither dog alerted on the sandbox.
#494 Kleat
Your post showed up after I posted mine. I want to know the same thing.
I asked before, but no one responded, is Strickland waiting to make a ruling on the suppression of testimony because he hasn’t been presented the original contract from Baez yet? Or can he make a ruling without the doc?
Kronk’s name keeps popping up. First, thanks for finding little Caylee Kronk. Now, would someone please tell me why Kronk called 911 himself for the three 911 calls in August and then, when he actually found “a human skull” he called his Utilities dispatch center at 407.836.xxxx and had them call 911? Another question, during the second 911 call in August Kronk was advised to call the special tip line to help find little Caylee. Did he do that?
silverspnr, don’t you just love the comment about ‘while’ her parents are ‘staying here’! Yep, Casey’s house, parents staying at her house. More assets to claim Casey’s monetary value to a suitor, and offers/enticements of endless sex– but Casey forgets to cover all the bases, where would Caylee be when they could ‘do as they pleased?’ Certainly would spoil spontaneity if they had to rush Caylee off to her ‘nanny’ when they decided to do as they pleased, or would she be put in a room or kept in their bed– wouldn’t matter, parents are out of the picture.
But then, Caylee was learning to speak, repeat what was spoken… we see that on the little breakfast video, we hear George talk about Caylee repeating things, being so quick to learn (and of course, NOT talking or showing recognition when asked how was her day with ‘Zani’. Little snitch in the making– what Casey would not want to have when she needed to control all the information that others have, about her.
Realizing Casey is not that intelligent, I’m still wondering where she hid the “Getting away with murder” book for dummies instruction manual
#506
I listened to the 4 911 call’s by Kronk again last night.
I noticed on one call he describe’s his vehicle as a car, not a meter truck.
On our private vrHacks forum Angela posted on Kronk yesterday. All 4 links to 911 calls from Kronk,too. Plus a lot on his history.
Question, why was he there in evidently his private car the 2nd or 3rd 911 call?
490 NancyS
Nancy..I remeber that, too…and very vividly!
Does anyone have any links to that occurance?
I have always felt it was of importance – George and Lee rushing off in hysteria.
So..Nancy..you remember that it was the wooded area near the home? I thought so , too…it seems highly suggestive that they knew something was there.
And…just a shout out to Blink and the posters here.
You all have taken public crime investigation to a new and refined level…I hope that overworked L.E. people take the time to read this site, because it could really be of profound help to them.
Thanks to all of you…you are quite amazing.
Does anyone know if all of the body language experts and writing analysists will be presenting their findings from all of Casey’s interviews and written letters at the trial?
Kleat/Westside-
The judge will only rule on the Motion before him (not on other matters which have cropped up). When you file a Motion with the Court, you draft a proposed ORDER for the Court (the judge) to sign, which reflects the relief you are seeking.
For example:
AND NOW, this (blank/the judge fills this in) day of August, 2009, it is hereby ORDERED and DECREED that Defendant, Casey Anthony’s Motion for X (whatever she is seeking) is GRANTED. (and can add specifics as to the exact nature of what she was seeking, such as specific documents from date to date, etc).
Opposing counsel file a Response to the Motion, with their version of a proposed ORDER (which can simply read something like this:
AND NOW, this (blank) day of August, 2009, it is hereby ORDERED and DECREED that the defendant’s Motion for X, is DENIED.
Whichever Order the Judge signs/enters, it will be entered onto the case docket information, and copies of the Order are typically served on counsel via mail (at least up here, we don’t get faxes of Orders).
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There is no Motion before Judge Strickland with regard to the authenticity of the LP contract, and hence he will not be entering any Order on that issue. He is only determining whether the relief requested by Casey (through her counsel) should be granted or denied (and he can modify the Order as he sees fit, such as granting the request for Tony L’s cell phone information, but only for the dates that he believes the defense is entitled to receive).
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Kleat-
Keep up the funnies=) You are on a roll lately!! (and thanks for reminding me of WOOLWORTHS!!)
Todd, are you speaking about the video of Casey when she learned a body was found close to HOLT? What writing experts? To say that writing style means something about her intent or demenour? Or do you mean discussing a sample of writing as belonging to Casey?
#512, Todd: It would be interesting if body language analysts could testify. I don’t think they would need to have her handwriting analyzed, though.
BTW-
I was thinking of a chapter in the book “Mind Hunter” by John Douglas (forer FBI profiler) titled “Hurting the Ones We Love” when I posted about that Casey/TonE IM Chat and that cupid.com profile.
If you haven’t read this, it may be of interest.
A young, single mother reports her child as “missing”. She claims she left the child unattended to use a restroom. She receives one of her child’s socks (from the putative kidnapper). Her story changes.
Oh.. and she had recently become involved romantically with a man who did not want a child.
Her baby’s body was found, fairly close to home, enshrouded from the elements.
STOP ME IF YOU’VE HEARD THIS ONE (or something like it) BEFORE.
I think Casey its fair to state that Casey had more than one motive (ref. Rick Plesea and Shirley Plesea), but every time the men in her life push her to come over/sleep over/act as free as a girl who does not have a child.. she takes one more step closer to the precipice.
The Orange County meter readers appparently work an early day because when Kronk first noticed something suspicious, it was around 1:30pm on August 11 when Kronk was with two co-workers on Suburban Drive. Kronk said they had finished for the day although they had skipped their lunch hour.
When Kronk called in his tips on August 11 (4:30pm), August 12 (9:00pm), and August 13 (3:15pm), he was on his own time because he had finished work for the day. Yes, he did call Crimeline on August 12 in addition to calling OCSO.
When he called in the discovery of the remains on December 11, it was in the morning when he was still on the Orange County employee clock, and he could have been following protocol by calling his boss/central office before calling OCSO.
boz,i would double bag a heavy precarious load, but i also wonder if the first bag got a rip ,spillage,called for another bag,but why the laundry bag, it’ll stick out(light color)(wont look like all the other dumped garbage),may be recognizable,and its traceable back to the home,hmmm…,but i have also wondered if the bag was ripped (as others have suggested)removing it from the car and spillage leaked carrying it to back yard,thus dogs hitting on various spots or some variation which causes the bag to leak in the yard as it is being moved. the back yard soil samples will be very interesting,perhaps.
Silver (and any other attorneys on these boards), could you please explain the difference between someone being “innocent” and being found “not guilty”? I’ve seen it written over & over that a verdict of not guilty means the person is declared innocent. I say “innocent” is not a legal verdict, & that “not guilty” merely means the state failed its burden of proof.
If you could clarify, I’d be most grateful.
Thanks very much.
but maura’s measurents for the back yard disturbed area seems as if she might have been making an atttempt to bury? we dont know for sure how the decomp became in the trunk,it is assumed spilled,what do you think maura?
dee
lol
no pat boone fan not so
Kleat… what is this Auto-read you speak of?? Sounds like something I need!
tommie
welcome aboard or since you are and have been here! nice to meet you
chica
# 513
Thanks Silverspnr
So the judge will make his decision, on whatever he has at hand. If he decided to suppress testimony then The SA can write a motion arguing against the validity or authenticity of the contract: did I get that right?
I believe that he ordered Baez to give the original contract to the state for review.
Would she even bother bringing up the issue of it being altered, if she is waiting for the ruling? Strickland (paraphrase) told her to let him know if it didn’t look right.
thanks to those who answered my question!!:)
Does anyone remember this, about 3 younger guys and an adult that found a stick with a rope attached to it?? I think that it was found behind the anthonys house?? I remeber reading something about it, maybe in discovery back in the beginning of the case, but I remember it being mentioned and I don’t think that all of the details were given to us??? Please help me remeber this, if anyone else does?? I think that they may have found some other things as well as this stick with the rope on it. Maybe a possible temporary burial spot for the body until it ended up in the woods?? Maybe she had it hung from a tree or something??? or buried it and put the stick as a marker???? Just a thought.
#514 Kleat
I know that there were body language experts analyzing Casey’s interview with Yuri Melich and others. I think one of the body language experts that are associated with a local station there in Orlando, I believe her name was Constantine. One section that was brought up was the part where Casey was telling detectives about that 1 minute phone call from Caylee(supposedly), she pointed out Casey’s beginning statement, “Actually, I received a phone call today”. The expert said something to the effect of someone responding by saying “actually”, is trying to convince the person of what they are stating
Bluewillow, it’s a ‘Mac thing’– they have these voices that will read your highlighted text– every mac OS comes with. ‘Speaking it’ in a voice you can choose from a set of strange voices, to the higher quality more recent additions. It doesn’t work for a lot of the discovery files though, unless you download them. But it does not make up for actually reading the posts– it’s easy to multitask and do something else while listening, but more often than not, you end up paying less attention to it than if you read it yourself.
michigan fan – from everything I’ve seen and read – there is no gate or method of getting behind the Anthony’s house through the backyard without climbing an 8 foot privacy fence. Its been discussed a lot that Casey could not possibly have gotten back there (I guess anything is possible but reasonably). Casey weighed (past tense) close to 100 pounds and it would be virtually impossible for her to get ‘lil Caylee’s body over the fence.
Lots of people speculated or misunderstood that Casey went through the back of the house to place Caylee’s body but that was pretty much ruled out if I recall correctly at the beginning of this saga. I personally don’t recall anything about a rope and stick – but there are others here that may?
silver – thanks so much for the explanation about the motions. Helps a ton.
If anyone hasn’t noticed, Blink answered my question about who the new state witnesses are– a whole story on one of them, with an exclusive!! Better than anything on the MSM! We are lucky…
#504 Maura
Thank for the reminder of the cadaver dog facts.
It could not have been the sandbox to hide Caylee temporarily.
How much of a temperature difference would the cement-paver floor provide inside the playhouse?
the cupid profile was made the day after the season finale of one tree hill,one of the characters has spent the 5th season being the heart-rendering version of the the most heart felt single mom to her newly(at the start of the season) adopted baby girl angie ,who has a serious heart condition,whom has she has to give back,in the last five minutes of the show,at the airport,she hands her back to the adoption agency,she says i love you, i’ll miss you ,have a great life. this show does seem to focus on the struggles of early twenty with kids but with a very postive trying to be family units,marriages.these women in this show need men who accept ,the parental role,and in this show ,the sensitive men step up to the plate. In researching this show ,i was thinking thats whats casey needed was a boyfriend who wanted to be a family,and could tske her out of the house ,hence her hanging on to jesse,i think the cupid profile was casey’s attempt to meet men of that stature,she met tony instead (off of her facebook)and entered into a nightclub world instead,more drinking,more partying,hot bodies,making out with girls(all of that stuff was new right?) not things cindy would approve of as a fit, good mom. i agree silver lots of motives came together.the mind hunter is one of the most common senarios of maternal infantcide
#527, Todd: Kind of like George saying “And I know that for a doggone fact.”
Thanks, Todd, ‘actually’, it seems that Casey has lots of those little ‘emphatic’ words that she uses to convince people that she is being truthful. Like, ‘truthfully’, ‘it’s the truth’, ‘numerous times’, ‘potentially’. To me, it’s a warning sign (JMHO/feeling) that what accompanies ‘and it’s the truth’ etc, may not be completely reliable– interesting that the pro’s conclude the same thing. Just seems to be a bit of overkill, like Casey adding flourishes and details to her stories to make them seem more believable.
Marcy, interesting… George and his ‘doggone’, and his hesitancy to use the ‘f’ word about Casey’s nasty attitude to her dad during the gas can in trunk incident… but then, he loses all of that false ‘politeness’ when it comes to the ‘f’ing flunkies’ when he is showing his true thoughts/emotions and just reacts.
Say, to silverspnr’s thoughts about a dark family secret– and now as we see George Anthony’s behaviour well past the denial stages, and we see how he plays the ‘ignorant/head-in-sand’ ordinary George guy, but really, he knows a lot of what is going on, even willing to cover up how much his “involvement is in stuff”. (Caseyism warning there!)
Why the heck did George feel the need to tell OSCO investigators about his very embarrassing (for anyone– most people don’t want to admit this, nevermind an ex-police officer of some experience) ‘scam’ via email (Nigerian scam or otherwise)? Maybe it was to explain why he left the house, he and Cindy split, but he also said Cindy didn’t know about this. (well, George HAD to know he was telling Cindy about it as the interview would become public at some point)
IF it was a gambling loss, why not just stick with that story– and why not just say he got into something that he lost money, bad decisions etc. He wasn’t being interrogated about that. But he goes into very embarrassing details of an email scam– something doesn’t smell right here.
And at about the same time, Cindy is resisting Yuri’s requests for her credit card statements, and Cindy says ‘there is nothing there, I went through them’. (and you have a MISSING GRANDDAUGHTER!!! makes no sense to not comply, without question).
I’m wondering, if George was protecting Casey by taking the blame for his stupidity of being caught in the Nigerian or other email scam. Did Casey have some involvement instead of George in this? If George was telling the truth about this, and it was he who was involved, there would be some paper trail– a cheque that ‘cleared’ then wasn’t really cleared, money transfers out of some account, something.
I just don’t get why he told LE about it– maybe a simple fact that he needed to talk, get things off his chest about why he left the family home for a time, or maybe protecting Casey from her involvment in stuff and why he really left the home.
Probably just speculation– but I think Casey must have done something serious or escalating in her ‘criminal’ activities, besides just using credit cards of her mother’s, that they aren’t telling about.
Kleat..post #528..You are so right about people not hearing everything said, by whomever / whenever. It is a fact that if you want people to remember what you are saying..repeat it X. That’s right..even a normal person watching TV, listening to a friend, listening to a lecture by a prof…doesn’t get the full message if it is not repeated at least X. This is my behavioral science fact for today. Next time anyone here is prompted to give a speech or lecture..make sure your main point is repeated X. And when your kids ask why are you repeating yourself…tell them just making sure you heard me the first time. (LOL)
Okay ..shoot..I used spell check and it removed my 3′s ///prior to the x’s ..now that was a whole post lost! Damn spell check..I’m just gonna use my Webster’s in the future.
#529 Lily
Ok I wasn’t aware of the no access thru the fence. I do remember these guys finding this stick along with something else and I do remember reading this. I think it may have been in some early docs released and it shows a statement taken from them but it only shows some of their statement, as though the full statement wasn’t ever released??? I was just wondering if maybe this may have something to do with this case or not???
Any one else have any info on it???
repeat repeat repeat repeat– makes sense Gypsy! and then there’s the theory, repeat something often and enough, and people will believe it. (that’s what ToddyMacs is doing with his ‘i’ theory, just turning people’s heads for the effect of playing the case in the media I think… repeat repeat repeat…. becomes the truth)
Thanks for the behavioural science lecture! Someone studying this case, on any level, could do a whole degree I’m sure!! We are learning so much by osmosis even without a formal course.
Michigan Fan……I remember the young guys making that discovery too. It was talked about at length on the CSO website. Seems to me the reason everyone there thought it was very unusual is because the sex crimes unit was called in and then there wasn’t much at all released or even said about it again. Like everyone here has said, I think it’s the things we are not hearing that is very important to getting a conviction! JMO
http://www.statementanalysis.com/caylee/
kleat, (and anyone interested) here is that link for the body language analysis
To me, double bagging a heavy load is just second nature. It’s heavy and you don’t want it to tear. Dead weight (pardon the expression) is awkward to carry, so you put the bags in something designed to lug, like a laundry bag—–especially if all the components (trash bags, laundry bags, pieces of duct tape?) are right there in the garage where you are doing it (the Ants do their laundry in the garage). Besides, even in double trash bags, it probably looks like a body in a trash bag, and you always imagine a cop stopping you for a busted tail light and finding a body in the trunk, so the laundry bag is better as it can be lumpy like that without arousing suspicion.
I assume the trash bags went into the laundry bag and not vice versa, because it makes more common sense about how you would carry things, but I don’t know for sure. The handles on one of the trash bags were still tied when recovered from the remains site. Were the bags large enough to encase the laundry bag?
I always like the typo in Casey’s cupid profile: “my family and my friends make everything worth wild.”
O that is classic freudian faux pas, great catch
B
The Anthony’s have a dark family secret? You mean something other than casey? I can’t imagine what could be darker than casey. Whatever it is casey is at the center of it.
LP may have said that casey always includes a little truth in her lies, and you surely see that ‘truism’ repeated in every blog as gospel, but can’t you guys think of a zillion of her lies where that is not true? Start with “I dropped Caylee off at the nanny’s at Sawgrass apartments. My parents are giving me the house. I work at Universal as an event planner. Zanny got in a car accident and got a concussion and has a laceration behind her ear.” Tons more are available when you look at any of her statements. Just sayin’, I don’t think she always weaves truth into her lies. Maybe sometimes, but I guess I just want to caution folks not to accept that premise as a “given” when parsing her words.
What happens if I have registered to the vr hacks before the second life?
Now it won’t let me re-register in the vrhacks with the full name because of the same email.
Do I need to start over? get a new email?
Thanks for any help.
Do ya’ll know what it sounds like when you mention “second life”? It sounds like you all are getting a “do over”. If I didn’t get carsick I’d probably join you.
#547 suz comment on truth…
it could be ‘true’ from ‘a certain point of view’….as in…someone was in an accident and she applied a bit of the event into her story….though it does seem that the thread is difficult if not impossible to see….therefore the question of altered reality.