Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Baez Motionfest in Court This Morning
Orlando, FL– If yesterday’s antics at the press conference of attorney for the search group Texas Equusearch, Mark Nejame, were a precursor to this mornings motions hearing, it should prove to be a long day.
Exactly what pending motions are slated to be heard as there are several before the court at this time, remains to be seen, however, all have been initiated on behalf of the defense team Jose Baez and Andrea D. Lyon.
It is presumed the court will hear: Motion to delay the economic charges against Casey Anthony, motion response on behalf of TES Founder Tim Miller to be certified as a witness in the criminal case, Motion of 90 pages regarding evidence tested by the FBI (insert yawn). Motion regarding Anthony Lazzaro phone records, motion regarding Dominic Casey records and motion to preclude Leonard Padilla, Tony Padilla, Tracy Mclaughlin and Rob Dick from testifying as prosecution witnesses. Motion for anything I forgot.
Strap in. Ride starts at 9:30AM EST, live feed here:
Mark Nejame, Todd Macaluso, Andrea Lyon Argue TES Motion
First Up-Mark Nejame vs. Andrea Lyon TES motion 10:18 AM
White shoes. Repeat. White shoes in court. Got the petty out of the way, thanks for indulging me.
Mark presents to his Honor, Stan Strickland, the vast problematic issues with a broad request, which could encompass 4000 different individuals.
Andrea Lyon argued this is not a fishing expedition, it is the equivalent of the defense relying on the “Trust Me” argument on behalf of the state. They are not looking to expose people’s personal information. Ms. Lyon went on say the defense is willing to hang out at Mark’s office until they get what they need.
Judge Strickland in recent receipt of the answer, deferring ruling upon review in short order.
Jose Baez Argues Tony Lazzarro phone records
Baez argues Lazzarro was served, and that the motion has been narrowed and only received response yesterday at 4PM.
AttorneyJay, for Tony Lazzarro, argues he was not served either, was notified by a third party as to ammended motion. Jay agrees to requesting the 6 week period of records from AT &T, but is not optimistic he will be able to. Furthermore, the materiality of the defense request post July 15, 2008, has not been shown. All communication had ceased by then.
Judge Strickland grants a portion of the defense request, June 1 through September 2008, within 30 days.
Jose Baez Argues Motion to Preclude Leonard, Tony, Tracy and Rob
Baez calls George Anthony. Casey begins weeping openly. George discusses his interaction with the team.
Linda points out Mr. Padilla puts up $50k bond, so how is it he was unaware that his intention was to find his grandaughter. George is doubletalking that they volunteered to provide security only once she was out. Jim Campbell, was the retired LE officer was staying at the home at the time. Mr. Baez had to be present when any person spoke to Casey or was around her, if he were not, a family member had to be present at all times.
George states he knew nothing about the privacy arrangements they agreed to. Linda pointed out there were several people that could have transported Casey back and forth, and that they requested this service.
Ms. Drane Burdick presented the audio interviews of Leonard, Rob, and Tracy, about 3 hours worth which the Judge will review. She requested an original copy of the signed agreements for all parties.
*Secret*.. What Baez presented as the true and correct copies of the executed agreements by all parties is NOT.. Ms. Burdick is aware of this
Judge Strickland points out that Baez has had well over a year to file a temporary restraining order as Padilla as he has been “breaking that agreement” all over TV under this argument.
Ms. Drane Burdick argued Baez motion is essentially a gag order, and their has been no agency established, they posess the burden to establish privlege in the first place.
Oral agreement was hatched upfront between all parties, and prior to the written agreement. The agreement to provide security was a condition of posting the bond in the first place.
BAM… What I eluded to, Tony Padilla did not SIGN that agreement in the motion. Hello, Florida Bar, please hold…
I am intentionally shortening this segment, The State ate his lunch, and I have no clue why, but ruling deferred.
Motion to Determine a Trial Date Check Fraud
The state argues the check issues are relegated to specific dates and feels although witnesses may overlap, there is not an issue as to hearing testimony in the murder case. Baez is the only attorney on the docket of the case. The victim, Amy Huizenga, is asserting her right as a victim for the matter to be concluded. As an alternative, the State advises they are willing to go the bench trial route, which would allay the concerns altogether.
Ms. Lyon argues it is not their position it should never be tried and it is the states fault for seeking the death penalty in the murder case. Ms. Lyon sugested the state postpone the check fraud charges 60–90 days behind the murder charge.
Judge Strickland is considering this ruling as well
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Another thing: when Caylee was still supposedly “missing” and Casey’s first arrest, here CAylee is missing, and what is Sinister Casey talking about? How she got arrested “on a $#@^$ whim today on stuff that I never would do, that I didn’t do”. What parent who didn’t have knowledge on the whereabouts of their child would be more concerned about their jail situation than the well-being of their own FREAKINING CHILD?!?!?!? Sorry you guys, I have a 5 year old daughter, and this makes me angry knowing this happened to a defenseless child who needed protection from the very ones that were supposed to be doing the protecting
Have I missed where the newly released documents are? I have seen the 350+ pages about the cell phone records but are there any others released to the public? I am really interested in some of the fingerprint evidence.
Yep, Shelly, and an Amber Alert has to have something for people to watch out for, other than a photo of the missing child, they need some reliable vehicle information and reliable persons of interest, to stop movement of the child away from the area where the child was last reliably seen.
What would the Amber report have looked like, maybe depending on when Casey said what eventually, potentially, numerous times or not:
:
1. Woman in early 20′s, straight dark hair that wasn’t really straight, but curly but she uses a straightener that she gave me, so maybe she doesn’t have a straightener anymore or bought a new one at Target because she has lots of money.
2. Description of woman working alone in taking the child, Caylee is a ’10′ with straight teeth. (not pointy evil canine teeth)
3. Amend the Amber Alert to include a tall, big blonde woman with strong arms.
4. Vehicle last seen at Sawgrass Apartments, woman last seen on steps of Sawgrass Apartments at #210 early evening of July 16th.
5. Last verifiable ‘actual’ person seen with Caylee other than her mother, a tall, older gray-haired male with dark eye-brows and shifty expression and smile when asked irrelevant questions, possibly seen with missing child at noon on July 16th at Hopespring Drive.
6. Last alternate verifiable ‘actual’ person seen with Caylee other than her mother, a reddish-blonde wavy haired caucasian woman, 50 years old, in pool wear, in backyard, Hopespring Drive.
7. Amendment No. 23.1 slash 9a to Amber Alert, strike the Sawgrass Apts, abduction said to have occurred during daylight hours at Blanchard Park between grassy areas and parking lot with same said silver Ford Focus and said prior described women as ’10 and straight teeth, dark maybe curly or not hair’ and tall young long-blonde haired accomplice woman who may be an experienced arm wrestler and beer pong player.
8. Amber Alert highlights– watch for the baby entering turnstiles at major Florida theme parks, watch for baby at every Orlando Target store, do not watch for baby at Toys R’ Us or BabyWorld, or ’5 and Dime Diapers’ as they didn’t go there in the past.
9. Amber Alert Amendment No. 24, strike looking for child in Orlando, she is either in Texas, Georgia or Puerto Rico.
10. Amber Alert Amendment No. 24.21 slash 37.b– watch for missing child near home, but keep alert for child in Puerto Rico also with probably hair dyed dark brown.
11. Amber Alert Ammendment No. 87.32 slash 1245.b section 8, new revelations in gut feeling, watch for toddler with woman 10 and female blonde, but also possible trans-sexual or genders interchangeable.
12. Amber Alert Ammendment No. 87.32 slash 1245.b section 8 mini-stroke 34, descriptions of adults involved may be either male or female, heights, description unknown, number of accomplices, unknown, whereabouts possibly lurking ‘close to H.O.L.T’. Unknown what, where or who, ‘holt’ is.
13. Amber Alert recall– forget it, ‘waste of time calling you guys’.
Thank-goodness the Amber Alert system was not used/abused and made one more victim of this terrible tragedy, that seems to have no end.
I probably shouldn’t post this but….I was looking for the documents on the Orlando Sentinel website. A poster called “Orlando East” reminded everyone about innocent until proven guilty, no witnesses, people posting who have no lives and that all that was going to be released is 2000 more pages of junk science. I wonder who Orlando East might be.
It’s certainly possible that sections of the Anthony backyard, such as on a shaded bed of concrete pavers or under a shade tree, will be cooler than areas in direct sunlight, but those shaded areas are still going to be hot given that the daily high temperatures were in the low 90′s. Caylee’s body would still have rapidly decomposed, and the smell would have been foul and powerful.
I found the following via Google – It’s a section from the book Murder and Mayhem: A Doctor Answers Medical and Forensic Questions for Mystery Writers, written by D. P. Lyle, MD (Macmillan).
“When does a decomposing body begin to smell?
Q. All things being equal, roughly how long would it take for an undiscovered dead body in a home to begin to smell strongly enough to attract the attention of neighbors?
A. In general, twenty-four to forty-eight hours. That’s when the body would start to get ripe, and things would get worse from there.
Decomposition of dead bodies is due to two different processes. Autolysis is the aseptic (without bacteria) breakdown of the body’s cells and tissues. It is due to the action of the enzymes that normally exist within the cells—a sort of “self-digestion.” These are chemical reactions, and they are accelerated by heat and slowed by cold.
The second is putrefaction, which is bacterially mediated. The bacteria that cause this process come both from the environment and from the normal bacteria that reside in the corpse’s colon. These bacteria, like the above-mentioned intracellular enzymes, prefer a warm and cozy environment. So putrefaction is also accelerated by a higher ambient temperature and slowed in a colder environment.
In your situation, the corpse would begin to smell in roughly twenty-four hours or less in a bedroom in New Orleans in August; a week or longer in an unheated apartment in Chicago in January. In a more temperate climate, a day or two should do it.”
http://books.google.com/books?id=5ZXt-aJlmX4C&pg=PA219&lpg=PA219&ots=u2PJwSD58X&dq=when+do+corpses+begin+to+smell&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html
Dr. Lyle’s examples for odor detection of a decomposing corpse (one day or less in New Orleans in August versus seven days or more in Chicago in January) illustrate the reason why estimation of postmortem interval is calculated by Accumulated Degree Days (heat compounded by time). Temperature is the number one factor in determining speed of decomposition for above-ground decompositional events.
Caylee most likely died on the afternoon of June 16. If her body had been left under the playhouse or under a tree in the Anthony backyard, it would have been smelling by the afternoon of June 17, and the smell would have been getting stronger and more foul by the hour.
George and Cindy were working in the backyard on the weekend of June 21 and 22, when Caylee’s body would have been five and six days postmortem. By Tuesday, June 24, her corpse would have been decomposing for eight days in the Florida heat.
Hey all ~ Just wondering why Casey doesn’t just plead to the check fraud charges. Why go to trial at all? Legal eagles, I eagerly await your sage opinions.
# 600-Midwest MOM
Respectfully (sincerely), I don’t know if you were responding to my last post #585 because what you wrote seemed a little non sequitur, but I may be dense and simply not getting the connection. However, I will address what you have written.
The mothers that you mentioned who were putting on a strong face did so IN FRONT of their children, and I commend all. There is no need to cause additional terror or panic for a child, it could counter your attempt to rescue them, if they begin to flail in the water.
When you experienced your children’s life at peril, you & your husband circled the wagons and TOOK ACTION; again to be commended.
Now, what if you knew that these same children were out in that same boat, in peril, only they were paddled out there by another party, who, against your will, absconded with them & wanted to teach you a lesson? Would you leave the shoreline and go about your business; not tell anyone, including your husband or parents? Would you go shopping, go to clubs, get a tattoo,? Would you not contact the police, FBI or at least the coast guard?
If suddenly, it was discovered by the police what transpired because your children’s grandparent called the police (REMEMBER, YOU DIDN’T CALL), would you then CHIDE them for not acting immediately on a system that has time limits, especially if you hadn’t acted at all?
Natalie Holloway’s mother Beth is another example of a mother who took action, and remained strong. She pushed investigators, She went to the house of the last people who were with her daughter. She wanted the entire island combed to find her daughter’s body. She questioned everyone and shared all information with investigators , the media, anyone who would listen. When Natalie didn’t return home from Aruba , Beth didn’t wait 30 + days, until someone else called police to do anything about it.
Not freaking out: good. NOT DOING ANYTHING: Bad.
The only thing, in my opinion, at this point, based on all available evidence, that Casey was afraid of, was the discovery of her actions by police and her parents, and nothing else.
#603, Kleat: Thanks for making me guffaw! You humorously explained how worthless an Amber Alert would have been in this case.
# 603-Kleat….Hilarious!
# 606-Thanks Maura. Besides freezing and refrigeration, the other way decomp can be delayed is by putting AC on at an extremely high/cold setting. So far, your pings and cell research haven’t opened the door to some location where this could have occurred, I am gathering.
Ms. Lyon thought the check fraud charges should be tried later because Casey paid the money back. Where did Casey get that money? Marcy, I think you are right. I think that Casey can’t get out of the check fraud charges since she signed her name on one of Amy’s checks, as well as the Target video. I suppose they don’t want to start the murder trial with Casey having a criminal record. With all the other evidence, I don’t think these charges will make any difference.
Marcy, I’ve wondered if that might have something to do with leaving the options open for trial. Making any statements would mean tying Casey into ‘facts’ about the scenario or timeline, reasons, etc, for doing her criminal acts. As she said from jail, she’d lie, steal, do what she had to, in her search for Caylee.
The defense might want to claim some reason for her behaviour, so that would have to be consistent with the plea agreement and whatever answers she would have to give to the court about those activities. They just don’t want to be limited. And also, wouldn’t they want to have her with NO criminal past? Also, what about book deals etc, which if convicted of this crime, might squash those $$$$$$$ resources if she continued to claim her stealing was part of the kidnapping problem.
JMH and NOT legal, O
I still want to know where C put Caylee in the middle of the night when they were sleeping with Ricardo. She said her mother called and wanted Caylee back home. IIRC, Cindy flatly denied that she ever called and demanded that Caylee be brought home in the middle of the night. Was that question ever discussed again with any of the players in this nightmare or did it just fall to the wayside with all of the other inexplainable comments that have been made?
Is there a picture anywhere of the item collected at the A’s home that was a stick with a rope attached? Was the sex crime unit called in specifically because of this item?
#600…do you imply that Casey appears strong in her demeanor vs just detached as many others believe her behavior indicates. In a crisis many parents hold to a calm exterior for the sake of their children who are watching to judge if they should be fearful….in this case there was no little child to hide her fear from (after the initial moments) let alone for 31+ days IMO
Here’s one area where I think the prosecution has it all over the defense – they have used botanists from the Florida area rather than out-of-state (ala Baez) They should be able to run rings around the defense choices. In my opinion, of course
#612 – I do not know of a pic….but, yes, the sex crimes unit was called in upon the discovery. Don’t rightly know what that means….but, think I’m glad I don’t.
mariann and granmomma, can you guys supply references to a stick with the rope being found at the Anthony’s home? I only found the stick with the rope that was discovered near where the remains would eventually be found, around Sept. 10, 2008. I’d be curious to see what you guys are referring to. Thanks!
Nevermind, Marianne and Granmomma, I see we are talking about the same incident. I looked at the discovery again and sure enough the “suspicious incident” reports from the 5 people who stumbled on the stick with a rope/string in the woods on Suburban Dr. were routed to the “sex crimes” unit.
The reports start on page 27 of the following doc if you want to read about the stick with the rope/string.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%203011-3061%20f.pdf
608 WSH
As I read your comment, I remembered the kidnapping of Cole Puffinburger, age 6, from his Las Vegas home. I just looked up the dates and details again. The house he lived in with his mother and her boyfriend was the target of a home invasion by three armed men posing as police officers early on the morning of Wednesday, October 15, 2008. The mother and her boyfriend were questioned by the invaders, then bound with zip ties and gagged with duct tape. The invaders ransacked the house for cash, and finding none, kidnapped little Cole.
According to a neighbor, the mother, her arms bound behind her back and her mouth still gagged with tape, crawled to the sidewalk to catch the attention of a neighbor, who called police. An Amber Alert was issued immediately.
As it turned out, the little boy’s grandfather had been a drug-runner for a Mexican meth cartel and had stolen millions from them. The grandfather had been provided with an RV fitted with hiding places for drugs and money and was paid about $20K per Mexico-US run. But he found $4M in the RV’s hiding spaces that the drug cartel had forgotten to remove and decided to keep the money and run to California to hide.
The thugs who invaded the home were looking for that money or information about the grandfather’s location, and when they couldn’t find the money or learn of his whereabouts, they kidnapped the boy in the hope of luring him back to Las Vegas.
The boy’s mother surely knew what was going on and why the house was being attacked. Apparently the grandfather had only agreed to work as a courier for the cartel because he owed them so much money from his own meth habit.
But the mother’s only concern was her little boy, and she didn’t kid herself that Cole would not be harmed if she kept her mouth shut and waited for her father to pony up the stolen cash. She alerted LVPD as soon as she was able and told the cops what happened.
Cole’s face was all over the news in Nevada, California, and Arizona because LE worried that the thugs would take Cole to Mexico. In addition to the Amber Alert, the FBI was working the case to help find the grandfather. California LE tracked him down and took him into custody. The grandfather provided the name of one of the two men he had been working for, and on Saturday, October 18, the face of one of the meth dealers was all over the news.
Little Cole was such a hot potato at that point that the kidnappers let him go on Saturday night, and he was spotted walking along a city sidewalk around 10pm by a bus driver.
I remember at the time of the news reports that the kidnapping of Cole Puffinburger and his mother’s asap contact with LE was a slap in Casey’s face. Cole was kidnapped the day after Casey’s arrest for murder, and she was trying to portray herself as an innocent mother willing to sacrifice her freedom to keep her child safe. And ther was Cole’s mother, a woman who truly had reason to believe the kidnappers would harm her child if she made life difficult for them, but she did the smart thing and got the police involved as soon as she was able to. She got her baby back in four days.
614 Mariann
There was no stick/rope at the Anthony house. In mid-September, five people participating in the search for Caylee were on Suburban Drive near the elementary school. They saw a chain link fence with an opened gate that led to a dirt path, and they followed the path. Somewhere along the path, they saw a stick tied to a rope, and the other end of the rope was buried so deeply that they couldn’t pull it up. They contacted OCSO the next day and filed a report.
I don’t recall where it is in the discovery, but their tip was followed up on and ruled out as having anything to do with Caylee Anthony’s disappearance.
Detective Yuri Melich, the lead detective for the case, is assigned to OCSO’s Child Abuse/Sex Crimes Unit.
613 ChicagoJudy
Maybe Cindy DIDN’T call Casey and order her to bring Caylee home. That could simply have been an excuse Casey gave to Ricardo to explain why Caylee wasn’t with them the next morning.
Ricardo said he never woke up when Casey and Caylee left, so he either is a very deep sleeper or he was drunk/stoned when he nodded off. Maybe Caylee woke up and was fussy/crying, so Casey brought her home, put her to bed, made sure she was sleeping, and drove back to Ricardo’s place. Maybe Ricardo suggested going somewhere or doing something the following day and Casey didn’t want to be restricted by a toddler, so she ran Caylee home in the middle of the night. Or maybe Casey simply wanted Cindy to watch Caylee the next day but Cindy had been complaining about watching Caylee all the time, so Casey was being sneaky by dropping Caylee off in the middle of the night and forcing Cindy to babysit the next day.
Given that Ricardo said Casey and Caylee stayed over three to four times per week when he and Casey were sort of exclusive, it never made sense to me that Cindy would call out of the blue on only one of those occasions and order Casey to bring Caylee home, especially since Casey always claimed that she and Caylee were staying with Zanny whenever they stayed with Ricardo.
610 WSH
The cell ping tracks have been published, and Agent Moore’s ping summaries for June 15 through June 27 are in the recent discovery. You can get a sense from the summaries what area she was in and when she was in that area for those days.
This is my belief and has been from day one, I am holding my explanation for now, so carry on. Would love to hear it as well.
B
Hello 610 WSH (and 623 Maura),
Given the fact that her brother was out of town/state working (can’t find the source, but I know I read or heard he left possibly around June 8/9, returning end of June – but after the 27th, the day the car was first spotted at 7am in the Amscot parking lot), Miss Anthony would have the means and opportunity to utilize his then rented home with the attached garage, property, contents, etc. This home at 4148 Eagle Feather Drive is a very short distance away from the Anthony home and the Suburban Drive discovery location.
Also, Maura confirmed to me (thank you again, Maura) that the rented home uses the same 3 cell towers as the Anthony residence.
It is interesting that a vital line of questioning that I would think would be a logical part of the brother’s interviews with LE has not been publicly provided – - that being his whereabouts and activities during the June 15th to 27th time frame. We have not been privy either to phone records/text messages between brother and sister. We do know he last saw his niece on June 5, and we do know of one text from sister to brother on June 23 where she says “here’s my question…is ‘the windy city’ an appropriate nickname for Chicago? Is it really THAT windy? I’ve always wondered.”
Also interesting, no LE interview of the brother’s housemate at the time, Brian Lufkin, has been released to date. Considering he works with the brother and resided at the same address, and knew Miss Anthony, I would consider Brian Lufkin an important person for LE to talk to. After all, the other housemate (up to the year 2007), Michelle Murphy, has been interviewed by LE, and her interview, although probably not in its entirety, as been released.
The brother out of town, location of and access to the rental home, and the male housemate (whether he was in town or out) do allow for possible scenarios to be made.
(Sorry for the long post.)
“This is my belief and has been from day one”
I’m sorry Blink, what is your belief? I didn’t catch what you were alluding to in 623.
I am not really going anywhere with what I tossed out in 610. I’m not as adept at compiling and analyzing data as Maura is. (but who is, lol?) I know that we don’t know everything. So I considered that there could have been a AC’d storage facility, a cooler, a fridge, what have you, but I have absolutely no facts to back this up.
Thanks Maura for setting me straight!
623 Blink
You cut off the second part of my comment to WSH. LOL
WSH -
I fail to understand why it’s a problem for Casey to have put the body in the woods on June 18 (or even as late as June 19, but not later than that according to OCSO).
I would love to understand YOUR reasons, WSH, for believing that Caylee was not put in the woods until June 23 or 24.
My sincere apolly’s Ms. Maura, it is because I contemplated addressing it, but wanted to open it up to the group
B
Haven’t caught up yet, It’s time to collect the Maura posts with Blink comments where available, and put them into a document so I can catch up with so much!
A thought as was sparked by Maura’s 623, about Casey being in areas and doing stuff, and thinking about the hour and a half Casey spent in that quiet, cobble-paved residential, treed area on Curry Ford near Hourglass Lake, (as one example) and how this, or some other location, might be related to Casey’s comment about police failure when she says ‘they haven’t even found her clothes yet’.
Who knows what Casey meant by this, maybe she’s ditched clothes somewhere or has some ‘inside’ knowledge about the ‘nanny’s activities, or it’s another lie and misdirection. But whichever it is, it seems a damning statement for Casey to make and I just don’t know how her defense is going to explain it that will make ANY sense at all.
‘They haven’t even found her clothes yet’. This just defies so much logic and raises so many questions that point to Casey knowing more than she’s telling, or saying things to annoy and discredit police because she and ‘they’ were on opposite sides– but even so, it is beyond making sense on any level.
Maybe someone can help me out in how this statement can make any sense for a mother, or family of a kidnap victim to say ‘they haven’t even found my child’s clothes yet’. (unless there were some note from the kidnapper, to allude to some ‘clothes’ that were left to be found somewhere)
BTW, Maura– EXCELLENT reminder about little Cole, his family’s reaction, his kidnappers clearly not ones to hesitate follow through with a threat to kill, and they did what was best for their child– they did what they had NO choice but to do– they had to take a risk for their child and succeeded.
Can someone please take my hand and help me with the second world. I have registered, been accepted, log on and absolutely can not find anything remotely related to Caylee.
Maura,
I am completely impressed by your postings…what and how do you get this stuff????? love it! I wake up each day trying to catch up and spend all evening after work trying to figure out how you guys do it….
Kleat you too!!!!
WOW is all I can say! Glad you are on the good side….
thanks!
Maura
I was “playing along” with ‘what if Caylee was somewhere else first before the dump site’. The only way that I could see that happening was under circumstances mentioned earlier. I didn’t have a “problem” with the outline of events as they are theorized. I was looking to eliminate the other possibility . You are better at compiling and analyzing info, than me, and that is why I asked you. Apologies.
I had responded to your edited post earlier, but Blink didn’t post that message.
West Side, If I screwed up I apolly. Can I have a pass please? Breaking stuff in other cases and I am rushing. Sorry, I will add .5 mi to my run today for badblink.
B
I just read the Judge named Tim Miller as a material witness. Is that for the state or the defense, it didn’t say.
625 Kleat
According to Leonard Padilla, when Casey and Tracy (the female guard who lived in the Anthony house from August 21 to 29) were watching TV coverage about the search for Caylee, Casey said something to Tracy along the lines of, “They haven’t even found her clothes yet” or “They haven’t even found the clothes she was wearing.”
IMO, there’s a difference between those statements, and on the November 18 Nancy Grace show, Leonard seemed to be leaning toward the “clothes she was wearing” version.
Nancy Grace: What this comment that tot mom allegedly makes, stating, while she`s seeing coverage about the search for Caylee, They haven`t even found her clothes she was wearing, clearly implying that she`s not connected to the clothes anymore. How would she know that?
Leonard Padilla: Yes. She made that statement in front of one of the people that was there with me when we bailed her out. And it definitely brought our attention to the fact that at that point in time, she was making a statement.
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I believe Casey was referring to the clothing George had described to LE as the outfit Caylee was wearing the last time George saw her. George was quite specific about the jean skirt, pink top, white sneakers, and white sunglasses, and we all know now that those items were not found with the remains.
My theory is that Casey, on the night of July 15, heard George describe that outfit to LE, which is why Casey included those specific items in her four-page written statement. Casey knew those items had not been with Caylee’s body when Casey put her in the Suburban woods, but George was a more credible witness than Casey on the night of July 15, so Casey used his claim in her statement.
Casey was with the deputies until Yuri Melich arrived around 3:30am. She spent three hours with Melich, then got dropped off at the Anthony house around 6:30am while Melich went to Sawgrass and Universal to check out her story. I do not believe there were any LEOs in the house from 6:30am on July 16 until the detectives picked Casey up around noon to take her to Universal.
She had opportunity during those morning hours to go into Caylee’s room and grab a jean skirt, pink top, and white sneakers and stuff them deep in the Anthony trash can without being detected. She would have done that IMO because she didn’t want George’s story to be undermined since she had repeated the clothing details he provided to LE to bolster the credibility of her own story.
By the time Casey was bonded out on August 21, she knew those clothes (the ones George said she was wearing the last time he saw her) were buried deep in an Orlando landfill. As Casey and Tracy were watching news of the search for Caylee, Casey gave herself away by making a statement that indicated her knowledge that wherever Caylee was, she was not with the clothing described by George.
#606 Maura
“Caylee most likely died on the afternoon of June 16. If her body had been left under the playhouse or under a tree in the Anthony backyard, it would have been smelling by the afternoon of June 17, and the smell would have been getting stronger and more foul by the hour.”
I think we all pretty much agree that Caylee died on the 16th, however there is no clear picture as to what transpired to cause and cover up that death.
How about this:
Casey somehow killed Caylee on the 16th and put her in the trunk. Went to TonE’s and stayed all night leaving Caylee in the trunk all night. The next day, the 17th she went back to Hopespring trying to figure out what to do. She backed her car into the garage,decided to bury her in the yard. Couldn’t get a shovel so she borrowed one from the neighbor. Not really having a plan she wrapped Caylees little body in the bags and hamper,(perhaps all the materials were handy in the garage, duct tape, garbage bags, hamper) carried her out to the yard and laid her on the ground (that is how the dogs came to “hit” on decomp in the yard) while she tried to dig a hole. It didn’t take her long to figure out she could not dig a hole and it not be noticed. That could explain the area by the tree that was disturbed. Then she went to another plan – drop her on Suburban.
I am afraid that even if Casey cops a plea we may never know the truth of what happened (I am not sure that I want to)after all Casey will be the one telling the story….
Judge Rules on Texas Equusearch records………http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/08/judge-in-casey-anthony-case-ru.html
maybe Casey laid her body there in the attempt to bury and realized that wasnt going to work, scooped her up placed her in the trunk, body starts to decompose (eww I hate this, makes me cry) drove around scared wondering what to do, smell starts to accure hense the squirel story (what was the date of that text? sorry help me out) and then panick and desposal near by cause GA was on her, get rid of her NOW thinking…i just think it is easier then it is made up to be…that is my simple thinking….Casey just wasn’t that smart…she was a young girl not a seasoned criminal….she had 30 days to figure it out some kind of story..IMO
Maura, happen to know what day of the week, was the garbage pick up is for Hopespring Drive during the week of July 15th last year (happen to know, and if that actually happened as scheduled– vs some backlog of stat holidays or breakdowns or such)? (Not likely important, as LE seems to have made some critical blunders in their taking statements from witnesses in the home within earshot of each other– even clearly innocent family members or other witnesses, could inadvertantly repeat or fit a ‘fact’ in with their own belief of things, and then repeat that in a statement as their belief– it’s a highly emotional time, searching for answers, believing 1000% in each other or wanting to)
I’m thinking that if LE had any suspicions of Casey, the smart thing to do (in hindsight) would be to put someone on that garbage truck (saw this on some cold case documentary I think) with an extra big empty box in the back, the garbage pick up person takes the garbage of interest, picks it up as normally would happen, but places those bags into the box, moves on, then removes the box with the garbage of interest. No one is the wiser.
Knowing what that family, or just one person in that home, was doing with garbage after she ‘got caught’, could reveal a lot– like those clothes you postulate could have been trashed quickly. Cindy also, could have tucked those clothes away to be disposed of had she found them, or minimally, arranged for George to ‘clarify’ what the baby was wearing. If Caylee were murdered at night, she’d not have been wearing sunglasses……..
Good theory, Maura– interesting. So Casey may not have put clothes out somewhere for someone to find because she only learned about George’s statement a month later (probably his true memory of the ‘goodbyes’ for an earlier event being used for the 16th ‘last time seen’– he only needed to change the date, rest can rely on his true memory for easy recall)
More Q than A’s Post — I dont’ think everyone agrees that the baby died on the 16th. Not at all– we know that George was lying about the last time he saw Caylee.
Thanks for the link, Marianne– Judge Strickland was not giving anything to the defense that they asked for, and allowed TES’s position of privacy. Excellent!
(that is, after reading the actual order, vs the impression that some msm stated that it was a defense win)
Kleat I think she did it on the 16th, I think she did it so she could be with AL and her important video watching date…and being mad at mommy dearest for not wanting to watch Caylee any longer due to the fight on the 15th, I know people have done the same over a playstation despute or $20 bucks, I feel her situation is much like susan smith, the BF not wanting a girl she had a girl, parents were pissed her options were limited in her messed up mind get rid of her obstacle…sadly Caylee, RIP, makes me so sad to even speak about it.
# 624-wpgmouse
Interesting…..
ok sorry for asking excuse the ignorance what is msm? seen that quite often help me out Kleat?????
And I really would not discount the fact that Caylee was just starting to really talk. If anyone asked her about Zanny, the child would not be able to say anything about her which would certainly send up some red flags — especially to George and Cindy. How would C deal with their questions? There’s no way she could prove Zanny’s existence. So maybe in her sick mind, the only way out was to get rid of that possiblity altogether.
I have really been trying not to get myself in such a frenzy lately over this sad, senseless case and trying not to get so worked up with my own “theories” to what could have taken place. (Notice i say..trying) I feel i was just getting too obsessed with trying to figure this tragedy out and spending alot of time researching things (and less time with my own precious little one)so i have been silent as of late..But i have to say, GREAT WORK on here to alot of you!! So much intelligence and some of you should be proud of the effort you are putting in (of course Blink is always at the tippy top of that list).
Kleat..i rarely smile about anything to do with this case but #603 had me grinning. Oh, and Woolworth’s…wow!! That was a blast from the past:) I just hope we can all hold our loved ones a little closer and realize how lucky and blessed we are. I am mostly grateful that i cannot “figure Casey out” so to speak. Just cannot fathom….
On to read the next spark of brilliance by Blink. Thanks.
637 Kleat
I don’t know what the Anthonys’ garbage pick-up schedule is. I live in Florida, and my recyclables are picked up once a week, but my trash is picked up twice a week (Tuesday morning and Friday morning). I don’t know if 2X/week is typical in Florida, but it wouldn’t surprise me because it’s so hot here that the trash tends to ripen quickly.
LE was plenty suspicious of Casey, but there were many things they didn’t do in the beginning that they should have done. The female deputy should not have walked out of the room when Cindy was going through Casey’s belongings. OCSO should have taken the receipts Lee offered to them (they were sorry later). OCSO should have taken all Casey’s clothing, even the washed pants, when they picked up everything else (they said they didn’t take the clothing because it had been washed, but weeks later, they went back to get it). If they didn’t do those fairly obvious things, there is no way anyone considered that Casey would throw out incriminating items in the trash on the morning of July 16.
I don’t agree with you that we “know” George lied about July 16. I am siding with JWG that we can’t say George was being deceiptful about the last time he saw Casey and Caylee together. That doesn’t mean George’s account was accurate (because it could well have been a spurious memory), but inaccuracy and deceipt are two different things. George could have accurately recalled what the two of them were wearing one day on one of the last days he saw them together and erroneously, but innocently, believed he was recalling June 16. George is being deceiptful now, but I strongly disagree with the claim that he was being deceiptful in July.
608. Comment by westsidehudson
You asked a question
Quote “ Would you not contact the police, FBI or at least the coast guard?”
YES!
Would Casey? This could be the reason that none of us can make sense of caseys actions. Casey was not a stranger to the OCSO, It would be interesting to know what she knew about LE. She repeatedly stated she did not want to talk to THEM. She demanded the FBI. When the FBI came on the case they told her it is Detective Yuri’s case.
Kleat- amber alert #7 sawgrass apartment was vacant because it was under construction – where is that interview with the crew?
#8 “watch for the baby entering turnstiles at major Florida theme parks” I have always thought this was Key to the case, Casey specifically stated to check the cameras of the turnstiles where is the results of this search into finding caylee?
Also, you keep referencing the kidnapping happening at Blanchard park?? I have searched for Casey’s transcript or statement regarding this and I can not find that it exist. Can you point me in the right direction?
dee…. ‘main stream media’ (vs our boc of course!, who is to her credit– NOT ‘mainstream’!)
ChicJudy– absolutely. Remember that already started happening, George said to LE that he asked Caylee– ‘how was your day at Zani’s’ or things like ‘did you have fun at Zanny’s today?’ and no response, but she did respond to other names of people she knew, like Mowry (Mau-wee) and Uncle ‘ee).
George wouldn’t have to make a far leap, to then asking Casey about Caylee not seeming to recognize the name Zani or the nanny– but we didn’t hear him say he did that, did we. (maybe LE asked him– that would be the next step for any concerned parent of a child whose actions and judgement seemed questionable, when the well-being of a baby was at stake. (George was concerned about Casey driving very fast– did she drive that fast, zipping in and out of traffic too fast for an x-cop to keep up, with baby on board??)
ok upon speaking to my good friend chica I decided to share a story with all of you..
many years back a good friend of mine was watching her nieces for the week, one day the inlaws expensive persian cat came up missing, my friend was freaking out, she called me to come help her find it since I had a car, we drove around for a while and found the cat a few blocks away ran over…my friend was so torn up she wanted to take the cat home and bury it. she sccoped it up in a towell I had in the car from the pool…avid sun worshipper as I am alwasy prepared for the sun…
we wrapped the cat in the towell and proceed back to the house to bury the lil cat, after just a couple of blocks away, my car stunk so bad we gave up and dumped the cat in a near by dumpster… we are talking about maybe a max of 3 hours in UT summer heat 80-90 degree…it was horrific I will never forget that smell ever!
i can only imagine how horrible Casey’s car smelt after many many days lil angel Caylee was in there, it took days for that smell to go away in my car and this was a tiny kitty wraped in a towel in a box….there is no way it was pizza in that trunk no way…if it smelled as bad as GA said and CA said and the tow yard guy, it only means one thing, a dead body was in that car trunk…period! I state my case end of story….I had a dead cat in my car for maybe 10 minutes and it was dead maybe 2 hours not more and the smell was so bad you couldnt take it, Caylee was in there for days, you cant remove that smell…that is why she dumped that car