Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Baez Motionfest in Court This Morning

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1. dee says:

   August 27, 2009 at 2:57 pm

   649 Kleat thanks…being in the EU sure does prevent you from learning the latest and greatest in the online world….man when will I ever make it back to the mother land??????
2. sosad says:

   August 27, 2009 at 3:45 pm

   Motion lost to limit Padilla and Company testimony!
   http://www.wesh.com/news/20582620/detail.html
3. Kleat says:

   August 27, 2009 at 4:07 pm

   Midwest Mom, for the Blanchard Park thing, Casey told that story later on, wasn’t it also discussed in one of the jail visitation videos? And of course, in the Mn’M depos– hey, George didn’t even know about that version!! (so he claimed in that depo).

   Maybe one of the Cindy LE interviews– can’t recall more offhand, sorry.

   Yeah, darn the whole case turns on the turnstiles!!! Round and round we go– where we end up, nobody knows!!
4. suz says:

   August 27, 2009 at 4:51 pm

   midwest MOM, there’s a second version of the nanny-took-the-baby story that occurs at Jay Blanchard Park. Lee spoke about it in his ZG depo on Feb of this year, but they had told LE about it much earlier. You can find a bit of it in Cindy’s fbi interview at this link, starting on page 7592 of discovery, which is page 76/361 in this pdf
   http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20224558/detail.html
5. suz says:

   August 27, 2009 at 4:54 pm

   also to midwest MOM: I know we all try to guess what we would do when facing a real situation similar to what we assume is casey’s fake one, but FWIW, in that same FBI interview, the FBI agent tells Cindy “You can’t apply your logic to other people. Especially when something has happened.” 7586-7587
6. westsidehudson says:

   August 27, 2009 at 5:02 pm

   #647
   Midwest MOM

   …..”Casey was not a stranger to the OCSO”

   Please elaborate, because I haven’t heard that she was investigated for, or charged with any priors. Do you have information or knowledge on juvenile files, that we haven’t seen? She dated 2 cops, and one left the department, How do you arrive at a conspiracy, or not trusting ALL of them at OSCO? She did, in fact, initially talk to OSCO, but lied, leading them all the way to an office she didn’t have. She was apparently comfortable enough to call them, while out on bond, and protesters were on the lawn. So there is a disconnect for me.

   She didn’t trust them, because she knew that hey were on to her, in my opinion.

   Conversely, she could have contacted the FBI directly, immediately, when Caylee went missing. Or was she “no stranger” to them? She could have told them that she was calling directly, because she had a ‘history’ with OSCO, (before they became involved). Also, Cindy and George each spoke alone, and separately, with the FBI, so why not Casey, regardless of whose case it was? Didn’t she want to find her daughter?

   …..”Casey specifically stated to check the cameras of the turnstiles where is the results of this search into finding caylee?”

   Casey lied about the nanny: no photos of nanny, no phone #’s, no REAL address, no email, no other witnesses to the existence of nanny, nada. Why would you buy that piece from her? Also, if the nanny took the baby some 30+ days prior, she could have already been anywhere in the world.

   Lastly, Caylee wasn’t anywhere else in the world, but rather, deceased, decomposed and scattered about, down the street from Casey’s house. So that “watch the turnstile” statement ended up being a diversion, didn’t it? Or are you saying that after eluding detection, flying around the world, the would-be kidnapper risked everything to come back to Orlando and place the baby this close to the Anthony home?

   I appreciate an open mind, Midwest MOM, really I do. I am pretty open minded. However, I don’t understand how you can buy some of this. If the defense ends up with concrete evidence demonstrating all this conspiracy stuff, I will apologize. But we are evaluating this case based on released evidence, and what is reasonable. Her stories don’t pass the sniff test….they stink. But if you truly believe her, than I am not apt to change your opinion. You may have personal reasons to want to believe her that I am not privy to. If so, my sympathies. Or you may simply have a personal perspective that is really foreign to mine.

   You appear to believe the premise of the nanny and Casey being honest, and I don’t. We are not starting off at the same place, so we can’t end at the same place.

   And so, we will have to agree to disagree.
7. westsidehudson says:

   August 27, 2009 at 5:04 pm

   that hey were on to her….”they” correction
8. Kleat says:

   August 27, 2009 at 5:19 pm

   Hey, sceptics who fear Judge Strickland’s hand– Blink was right!! All along… Silverspnr too…

   The defense just lost it’s Padilla bid for silencio!!
   (feeling better Todd??! Now you can relax even better!!!

   Maura, thanks! Yes, two days per week make sense, especially since there seems to be little curbside recycling, if those photos of Lee’s garbage in discovery, was any indication!

   Agree on the LE mis-booboos that first night. Thanks for the insight once again! Terrif, as usual.
9. Kleat says:

   August 27, 2009 at 5:44 pm

   MOTIONFEST coming to a close… all dealt with to date but for the trial date for the cheque fraud case.

   The court has no argument from either side, that being convicted, would cause undo hardship for the defense overcoming a convict for a client when the capital case rolls around. How many people can say to a court, it’s not convenient for me to defend myself, I’ve got a ‘dream team’ of lawyers, a dream team of high media-profile forensics specialists, I’ve got a team of law students to put together 90 page motions should I need to push more paper for delays, I’ve had said ‘dream team’ of lawyers or equivalent substitutes, for over a year…

   I think the real concern is having a convict for a client at trial time, but apparently that’s not in front of the judge.

   Awaiting the last motion of the motionfest…………………
10. westsidehudson says:

    August 27, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Sorry

    When I was writing about the turnstiles, I was thinking about how Casey told police the nanny could be traveling, and I was thinking of airports.

    The theme park idea is absurd to me too. But I do not want to belabor this, nor insult Midwest MOM, so I am not going to engage further to create any problems on Blinks site. I just wanted to highlight my own error.
11. Maura says:

    August 27, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    *Deceit everywhere above where I wrote deceipt. I knew it didn’t look right, but I kept saying to myself, “but that’s right – it’s I before E except after C.”
    I just heard Mrs. Imhoff in my head, not nice Maura.

    B
12. Kleat says:

    August 27, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    ‘I before E except after C’ doesn’t work in the word ‘CrImE’
13. Kleat says:

    August 27, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    (just so no confusionables>>>> ALERT>>> tongue-in-cheek aka sarcasm warning for quote below, about Casey’s plans to watch turnstile records in case the baby visited Universal…. because she’d been there before… that’s why she lied about her office, her work at Universal, to the point she went right down the hall, deadended and then admitted her lies… all to get them to maybe check the turnstile guards to see if the baby came though.

    (earlier post >>> 8. Amber Alert highlights– watch for the baby entering turnstiles at major Florida theme parks, watch for baby at every Orlando Target store, do not watch for baby at Toys R’ Us or BabyWorld, or ‘5 and Dime Diapers’ as they didn’t go there in the past.)

    (remember no diaper shopping needed– according to Casey)
14. silverspnr says:

    August 27, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Kleat # 603
    ROFLMAO!!!!!
    Superb use of humor to dispel the notion (from Cindy, Queen of the Absurd)that an Amber Alert should have been issued.

    *****
    The judge’s rulings:

    First of all, msm gets it wrong. Again.
    Baez did not “win” the Motion for TES records, rather, the Order was basically HANDED to him, on a friendly platter, no less, by Nejame.

    If you watched the hearing, you know that Nejame made a “gentleman’s offer” to provide the names of the 32 volunteers (which was more than even Conway came up with upon his review of the documents) to allow the defense to privately inspect the records at his office for any additional names for the COURT to consider adding to that list/to produce Tim Miller for a deposition at a time convenient to all parties to the case. In fact, Nejame’s ONLY request was that the defense pay reasonable costs/copying fees.

    Sadly, it was a compromise with respect to the chilling effect this may have on future volunteers in missing persons cases, but this is where they would have wound up had Baez properly crafted the Motion to begin with on the first go-round. He was wasting the court’s time, and wasting Tim Miller’s time/resources (if he is paying Nejame for the representation). They would have landed here originally (with skilled defense counsel)– or eventually (if Nejame hadn’t made it as easy for the Judge at this point).

    Second of all:

    As predicted, Baez loses on the Motion seeking to prevent LP et al from disclosing the contents of Casey’s communications with them/in their presence.

    He should not have filed this Motion.

    He has opened up a CAN OF WORMS for himself here. (These worms are named “Disciplinary Action” and “Legal Malpractice”).

    First, on the Disciplinary Action prong:

    The fact that he attached a copy of what he purported to be the “Privacy Agreement”– the authenticity of which is in dispute per the other parties to the contract– was RECKLESS, if this was truly NOT the agreement.

    (FYI– To those of you who asked, No. Judge Strickland will not rule on that issue. Strickland is presiding over a MURDER case, in criminal court, not a commercial litigation/contract dispute–which belongs in CIVIL COURT. A judge cannot just make rulings on disputes that are not before the court/ in the case before them, and certainly not on a matter which they court they are sitting in has no jurisdiction over. In order for a judge to make a ruling on the contract itself–such as its validity or an alleged breach of the contract, or meaning of its terms, etc– one of the parties to the contract would have to file a case in civil court).

    But that is not even the most pressing concern for our HERO OF THE STUPID.
    He might as well get a gun, and shoot himself in the foot, as he limps his way to the next DISCIPLINARY HEARING.

    During oral argument on the Motion, Baez stated, to the court, to whom he has a DUTY of CANDOR, that the reason LP et al were in that house was because, “You have to understand. There was a world of pressure from all angles involved in this case, and I saw it as MY DUTY, AS COUNSEL, TO PROVIDE ‘ROUND THE CLOCK SECURITY for her.” He put GA on the stand to elicit testimony (**cough**) on this very issue–to back him up, on what may be a VERY SERIOUS MISREPRESENTATION to the COURT.

    As Drane-Burdick alluded to, it was not Baez, but rather Padilla who INSISTED that they be allowed to be in that house a condition antecedent to them even bailing her out (because they had a MAJOR FINANCIAL INTEREST to protect), and THAT–not the provision of “security” services for defense counsel–was the reason they were PERMITTED to be in that house.

    If Baez knows this to be the real truth, and LIED to the court…
    BOY, OH BOY, is he is T R O U B L E.

    Next, let’s look at the Legal Malpractice prong:

    If he was really trying to “hire” LP et al as “security” force AND as an extension of his office, such that they were providing “legal services”, (such that Casey could reasonably expect that her communications with them would be protected under the umbrella of the statutory Attorney-Client Privilege), WHY ON EARTH did the Agreement which HE drafted, contain THIS LANGUAGE?:

    “THIS AGREEMENT DOES NOT CREATE A RELATIONSHIP INSOFAR AS THE PARTIES OF THE SECOND PART (LP etc) IN NO WAY ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF OR HIRED BY THE FIRM OF THE DEFENDANT.”

    It doesn’t take a lawyer to understand that this means that LP, etc were NOT “agents” of the defense/part of the “team”, if you will, who were providing/rendering “legal services” to Casey.

    And if he truly believed that her communications to them were “confidential”/protected by the Attorney-Client Privilege, then WHY, OH WHY, did he NEVER file a Motion for a Protective Order/TRO to ban LP from appearing on NATIONAL MEDIA PROGRAMS to discuss the case/Casey’s statements and/or actions!

    (if the Court had found that the privilege existed, surely the Court would also have found that it had been WAIVED by this point).

    *****

    Glad (but not surprised) that other animal lovers are here. We keep good company at Blink on Crime=)
15. wpgmouse says:

    August 27, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Blink, Good Evening.

    Now that Judge Strickland has ruled against defense’s motion to protect testimony, Blink, do you have an update regarding the prosecution’s concerns of potential inconsistencies between the original signed agreements by the Padillas et al, and the copies the defense filed with their motion?
    The prosecution argued to the court their need for the defense to turn over the original signed documents, which Judge Strickland agreed to and so instructed it be done. Did the defense comply, thereby Judge Strickland ultimately saw the originals before he made his ruling?
    Any problems come to light comparing the originals and filed copies?
    Thank you, Blink.

    He denied the ruling on merit anyway, essentially, the ad hoc copies will be relegated to a civil matter until a colleague under their ethical responsibility files a complaint with the bar.
    B
16. suz says:

    August 27, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Maura, we love all the things that remind us you are a mere mortal and not a supercomputer. (You ARE a mere mortal, and not a supercomputer, aren’t you?)

    : )

    You kiddin? I lie in wait for her to make even the most minute error so I can take out a billboard in 3 states.
    B
17. silverspnr says:

    August 27, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    I want to add this, just because I don’t know if I was clear enough for folks.

    This court is hearing a Murder case. Just because there is a question as to the validity of a CONTRACTUAL agreement which counsel attaches to a Motion, which is brought to light before the court during oral argument on that Motion, the issue of the agreement’s validity is still not before THIS court.

    The criminal court has no jurisdiction to determine this issue. Strickland is only presiding over the criminal charges against Casey, and not over ANY unrelated matters.

    ***
    Someone asked why Judge Strickland doesn’t “make” the defense show whatever evidence it has to back up the defense team’s claim that it has evidence which shows that Casey is “innocent”.

    He has NO AUTHORITY to force them to do so, at this time, OR at trial.

    Remember, it is the State’s burden to prove the charges against her– AT TRIAL.
    The defense has the opportunity to dispute the State’s evidence, and present their own evidence– AT TRIAL. (they don’t have to prove her innocence at all; they can merely attack the State’s evidence and argue to the jury that it isn’t enough to overcome “reasonable doubt”)

    *****

    Midwest MOM-
    I’m sorry, but in reality, NOTHING provokes more anxiety in a parent than a MISSING CHILD, particularly when that child is a little girl, less than 3 years.

    NOTHING even compares.

    When a child is truly “missing” or “kidnapped”, the anguish a parent experiences cannot be fathomed, much less compared to a boating incident which gets resolved in minutes or even hours.

    Have any of your children even been missing, for even a minute, say, at a mall or a theme park or a playground??
    If so, you know what I am saying is true.
    You go into a WILD PANIC until you find them. Your heart races and POUNDS in your chest.
    Your blood rushes so that your hearing is sometimes even distorted.

    Things feel surreal.
    You see the world through different eyes.

    You may search, in a state of panic, but YOU SURELY DO NOT JUST SIT AND WAIT.. THEN CALMLY DRIVE AROUND TO DIFFERENT PLACES, then GO TO THE VIDEO STORE WITH YOUR BOYFRIEND, and casually select 2 movies to watch that evening/wake up the next morning and have sex with your boyfriend as if all is fine and dandy.

    Do you realize that when a child of tender years is abducted, they are generally killed within the first few hours? No, that isn’t always the case, but in general, that is the far greater likelihood. (Sorry, but in the majority of cases, it isn’t the first 24 or 48 hours that matter most. It’s the first few.)

    *****
    Not to bring up another unsavory topic, but–

    Think about how CA and GA reacted when Caylee’s remains were discovered.

    Take a moment and think about everything you’ve read (try Hoover’s deposition in the civil case; then read Dominic Casey’s LE interview). They flew back into town, were escorted to a warehouse location, got into a LIMO, and checked into the Ritz Carlton for a few days. They went to dinner that night. NOT ONE OF THEM MENTIONED CAYLEE AT DINNER.

    These are two of the angriest people I’ve seen. They lose their temper with members of the public, the media, the lawyers…
    And yet…
    They find out that Caylee was DUMPED, within WALKING DISTANCE of their HOME; left to DECOMPOSE, all alone, amidst weeds, and insects, and predatory animals indigenous to that region…

    And they don’t go INSANE with FURY??

    If they truly believed that “Zanny” or Jesse or Amy or Tony did this to their “little angel”, do you believe that they would have been able to keep their anger in check??? Don’t you think Cindy would have JUMPED on TV to vent if they really believed someone other than Casey killed/dumped Caylee/left Caylee alone day after day, night after night, to rot in the woods all Summer and Fall??

    Where was the ANGER about what happened to her??? Surely, if they truly believed that Casey was innocent, they would have been OUTRAGED by what the “real” killer did to her (just the fact that she was DUMPED near their home would have been enough to drive them crazy with fury if someone other than Casey had done that).

    They KNOW that Casey killed her. They are not in “denial” at this point, and they haven’t been for a long time.

    What’s worse is that they have used this horrific situation to feed their own greed.
    *****

    JMO

    Sigh.
    Bigger sigh.
    When my daughter was 2 she hid in her closet to play an unannounced game of hide and seek because her newborn brother was sleeping ( dont let that kid you, she was not all that accomodating to his schedule, lol). I was putting my son down for a morning nap, and as was our ritual, I went downstairs and called her for storytime. ( I know, prude, but I did not allow TV until after lunch and then only 2 shows).

    No answer. I tried all my “magical” voices while moving from room to room. Checked the front door (although she was too little to open it). Checked the lanai. Interject new Mom and Mom to 2 year old sleepless angst. I go upstairs, calling her a bit more forcefully now. I Even open newly- sleeping baby boy room. Check closets, everywhere, back downstairs, panic kicks my heart rate up and that little voice, not so little.

    I second guess if she can open the front door, and I sprint outside. I sprint down the street , nothing in that direction. Turn and sprint in other direction where there is a vast field behind our home.

    For a split micro second, I think someone took my baby and she is dead in that field and I turn and sprint in the direction of home with a sippie cup in one hand and the monitor in the other, screaming her name, tears dried by the wind I am running so fast. It was hours. But it was 2 minutes, and I was never so afraid in all my life. Indescribable, even as I recount it now. Unless that has happened to you in any degree, it is like telling an earthworm what it feels like to burn your hand.

    I ripped open the front door, took the steps 3 at a time and in my tortured, sobbing, wail I called my babygirl in the most desperate of voices.

    From her room, which now had a closed door I had not noticed, I hear that heavenly chirp… Mommmmmmyyy.. I Hidin’… Come fine me.. I not peekie and I counta whole bunches.

    I fell to my knees in my hallway, and as best I could, told her mommy found her, but I would be “it” again if she would please come to me. On my knees she saw my face, came to me and put her arms around me , one around my kneck, the other she was patting my back like I burp her brother.

    “Momma, I so sorry ’bout your booboo. You wan I kiss it whole bunches? Shh, it’s ok. You no cry, you big girl”.

    After I collected myself and explained the obvious lesson to a toddler, I put on Little Bill and from the lanai where I could see her, called my Mom and sobbed about what a horrendous excuse for a Mom I was.

    I was beyond hysterical. The fear that was revealed to me for the first time, and the lengths I would go to- to protect my children, had met their practical application.

    My Mom listened quietly and when I was able to calm down, she said:
    ” I dont know what you want me to say. I happen to be YOUR mother and I trust you implicitely with the lives of my grandbabies. It makes no difference to a mother to hear her child sob uncontrollably whether she is 3 or 33. I just felt the same way about you.

    Thank you in advance for indulging me to listen to what is a wrenching memory every time I think about it.
    I can walk down the hall and see my not- so- much- anymore baby girl, and I know shes fine.
    That feeling is replicated without dilution every time it crops up. Not the same in a person like Casey. Silver is right, there is no substitution, it is what it is, and I am OVER the “everyone is different” argument.
    IMO
    B
18. wpgmouse says:

    August 27, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Blink, thank you for replying to my post. I did not mean to imply the original agreements vs. filed copies influenced the court’s ruling, as I already knew and acknowledged (admittedly, to myself only) the merits of the case. I should have worded my question differently. Sorry about that.

    No apolly necessary, I did not take it that way at all.
    B
19. wpgmouse says:

    August 27, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    #667 Woah there, silverspnr.
    I hope your response wasn’t directed at me and my post#665,
    ’cause I really felt that one. Ouch.
    Your superb explanation in your post#664 wasn’t even up yet when I submitted my query to Blink.
20. NancyS says:

    August 27, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    Thank you Blink and I will shortly and quietly share my breath taking experience as a young mother.
    I had a jacuzzi and some friends over for a barbecue.
    My son was 14 months old and got into the jacuzzi (we had just turned off the jets) He did not splash or anything (he was so trusting) I noticed he was gone and I felt like I couldnt breath.
    I did not check the jacuzzi first, I ran thru my huge house and looked in closets, washer, dryer (he had frequented these before) He used to go off and fall asleep in closets under clothes etc.
    well I could not find him so ran down (it seemed a mile long) sidewalk to the street. (still nothing) I ran back in the back yard and still could not find him. I stood above the jacuzzi so I could see the back fence to look over it.
    I looked down and there he was floatin rear end up in the jacuzzi, not breathing and blue. I grabbed him and I think I screamed ( slow motion) I handed him to his father as I didn’t know what to do.
    I ran to call 911 and the phone would not dial, so I ran to the front yard and told neighbors to call 911. within seconds it seems, I had neigbors and police, fire trucks and don’t know who else at my house.
    my son and I were rushed to the hospital with the paramedic pumping breaths into him. I got to the hospital (still not realizing what was going on) and he went into seizures and they threw me into a room.
    I fell to my knees and asked GOD to take my breath, not his. I meant it and I was only 19 years old. My son came out of that with no lung or brain damage but I moved from that house as the owners would not let me fill the jacuzzi with dirt.
    My son is now in the Air Force and is a Firefighter/EMT and leaving to Iraq the 9th of September and is 29 years old now. A day does not go by that I am not thankful for each day that he is in my life.
    I just don’t get it, how KC acts?
    we don’t have to be mothers in this day and age and she had the help of her parents that I never had. I just do not understand it at all.

    I appreciate EVERY SINGLE poster here and REALLY know that we will get justice for Caylee. She so needs us all.
21. Marcy says:

    August 28, 2009 at 1:50 am

    #670, Nancy ~ You are so right: Caylee does need us all. Thanks for reminding us.
22. silverspnr says:

    August 28, 2009 at 4:25 am

    Blink #667-

    Thank you for sharing. Truly. It is hard to relive those moments.

    That kind of parental panic is VISCERAL, and for good reason (a/k/a SURVIVAL of our species).

    If anyone here who has never had a similar experience, having now read your account, they surely have enough of a glimpse now to know, without doubt, that neither of Casey’s accounts (the original Sawgrass story/the subsequent Blachard story) are even remotely close to “plausible”.

    When a parent, particularly a mother (sorry, guys, but that’s true–you can see it not only in humans, but in other mammals), “loses” (sight of) a child, we are GENETICALLY PROGRAMMED to respond in this manner.

    (I’d ask people to re-read what you wrote, but talk about an unnecessary redundancy. I am sure that ALL will read it again, and again.)

    (Hey boo– I bet you read it a LOT more than once. Keep up the great posts on the Christine Sheddy case. I don’t know how Domo withstands the pressure. You are good at it.)

    wpgmouse #668-

    Not at all! I didn’t see you post #665 until just now. I clarified my original post, because I felt that someone might still have a good question about what it meant. And you did (have a good question)=) See? You proved me right: My initial post wasn’t sufficient! LOL! (at myself!) Good thing Blink indulges us/allows us to explain ourselves (time and again;)

    TY Silver. One thing I also want to point out, is that in Casey’s story, someone actually took her child. I think the only more powerful emotions than what I described is what would overtake one at the prospect that someone else took your child, where rage and “mama and missing cub” come in. KC exhibited at no time, either of these sets of reactions. If you discount normal maternal panic from the possibility of somehting happening on your own watch, and then in the alternative, the missing reaction of a predator in the mix, I am left with only one possibility. Premeditated, intentional murder.
    B
23. silverspnr says:

    August 28, 2009 at 4:49 am

    Suz #666-

    I’m voting HUMAN with a SUPER COMPUTER BRAIN=)

    My guess is that when Baez reads one of Maura’s stellar posts on the scientific evidence, he gets hit smack between the eyes with how far in over his head he is here. Being a lawyer on a case like this requires you to LEARN/UNDERSTAND/KNOW the SCIENCE, and not just slap half-azzed Motions together/make stupid statements to the press/smirk and take pot-shots in Court.

    Amazingly, he S**TS the BED during oral argument last Friday, and walks away from the lectern, SMILING, as if he did a good job, like a little kid performing at an elementary school recital who hits ALL the WRONG NOTES on a simple version of “CHOP STICKS”*, and then gives the “thumbs up” to his friends as he exits the stage.

    Bruuuuuuuuuuutherrr.

    The man is CLUELESS, IMnotsohumbleO.

    (*for those who can’t place this song reference, think of the tune that Tom Hanks’ character in the movie “BIG” easily jumped his way through on the colossal-toy-piano keyboard at FAO Schwartz)

    My fave line.. “Im the lawyer, that is my client..” sidesplitter. Baffoon in a suit.
    B
24. silverspnr says:

    August 28, 2009 at 5:01 am

    BTW-
    Strickland was keenly aware that the copy of the “Privacy Agreement” Baez attached to his Motion was suspect.
    How do we know this?
    Because the Judge as much as SAID SO during the hearing.

    Here is the clue:

    Addressing Baez, the Court asked, “Assuming the agreement provided to the the Court, attached to the Motion, is complete– AND MS. DRANE WILL TELL ME IF IT’S NOT– why do I have to pay attention to it?” (ok- that may be off a bit from the actual quote, but I specifically recall the judge saying the part that I typed in BOLD).

    This is HIGHLY UNUSUAL where the judge cannot enter a ruling on the authenticity of the document.

    ALSO-
    How many times did the judge comment on how UNUSUAL the Motion was? I believe he said he’d “never seen anything LIKE it”.

    INDEED.

    ***
    ok–no more extra large coffees for me today;)
25. Kleat says:

    August 28, 2009 at 8:24 am

    silver… re your 663 to my 604, and to freely use and make my own, one of Blink’s comments to me– “You ask, you get.” (sorry Blink, couldn’t help myself, the nanny made me do it)
26. Kleat says:

    August 28, 2009 at 9:34 am

    Just finished reading Silver’s post down and the others, thank you Silver for making another great post, and to the great mom’s who shared their experiences of the moments of fear, terror and then relief… and congratulations to NancyS, for raising your boy to the man he has become. What a morning…

    If a person has not been through this fear especially to the level of almost thinking your child may be gone, these stories, from one, to the next, to NancyS’s bring a fresh ‘understanding’ of that to a new level this morning.

    Cindy is always supporting her premise that Casey does love, does feel, is emotional, on every occasion possible, including outside the hearing one week ago today. After ‘listening’ to these three stories this morning, one has to wonder how a sociopath/psychopath would deal with the momentary situation of ‘fearing’ their child is missing. Anger? Fear of losing the child? Fear of grandmommy dearest putting blame on them? Or, learned response to go look for the child, care that they don’t see the child? Could the defense, in an ‘accident happened at the pool’ defense, say that Casey is not capable of ‘fear’, of ‘love’, of even caring that her child is missing at the moment she discovers the child is not where she should be?

    (but then they can’t say that Casey fears Cindy, or fears ex-cop George so she needs to ‘cover up’ an accident)

    And after hearing these three stories, as they escalate from (thankfully only) fear of the worst, to in NancyS’s experience, actually coming so close to realizing ‘the worst’ (and imagine retaining any presence of mind throughout this)– if the phone would not dial and those fingers wouldn’t move, NancyS ran out for help– she did not stop to concede the worst. A mother would call 911 and not leave a baby to chance its own survival, or to risk not saving the child, in case the baby’s grandmother would get mad at her!

    All those ‘safety features’ that Cindy said they used in the home, the latches on cupboards, the childproofing for doorknobs, the locking of the ‘shed’ with padlock and hidden keys, the ‘no smoking’ rules in the house, the no partying with boys in bed with the baby left unattended, the child car seat placed where the driver could turn to see the baby, the pool ladder regime, the ‘how to get child safely into and out of the pool’ using two adults. All good safety cautions and rules, but could Cindy know that ‘fear of the baby being hurt’ was not IN Casey nature and could the defense use this to show that Casey was incapable of fearing the worst, of panicking at an accident with Caylee, so that she would not call 911 while the child may have been hurt, she didn’t remember her ‘safety rules’ that she must call 911? Was Cindy aware of this (if defense position) inadequacy in Casey’s mental make-up, that she doesn’t ‘fear’ for herself nor care enough about rules, to care about her baby should an ‘accident’ happen? Casey knew how to call a tow company for her car when it had two boo-boos on its tires though, she feared something, if only walking home, or parents finding out she was dui (and probably not just alcohol).

    If the defense wants to mitigate the problem of the death of Caylee, and the accident scenario is used, or even to explain why Casey didn’t fear the kidnappers enough to fight for Caylee as she was walked away with two non-weapon carrying women, maybe they will argue ‘biological difference’ for a pyschopath. Maybe they will argue that psychopaths are not responsible when they do not fear the worst after an accident or the child is missing even momentarily. And put the blame on Cindy and George, for not taking the child’s safety seriously, when they knew Casey was ‘incapable’ of what normal mother’s would do, because she is ‘fearless’ (wreckless, irresponsible, uncaring….). Even if the child were taken away by Casey and someone took the child from her, Cindy and George, as per this defense, would have KNOWN by definition of ‘sociopath’ that Casey could not be relied on 100% to ensure the safety of her child while driving, while at Target, while at the beach, while at an adult-only party. Yet these ‘knowing’ grandparents let the daughter have a month with the child, not confirming where that child was even on one single night, whether she was in bed by normal time, whether she was happy sleeping in another place, did she miss her puppies at home, did she miss and cry for her CeCe and JoJo (her family).

    Maybe the normal ‘mother’ instincts as ‘hard-wired’ were not there for Casey, and a child from the moment of birth, was at risk (defense position speculation here only) and that she could not be responsible for her child if something ‘bad’ happened, accident or otherwise because she wouldn’t care to call 911 because she would be thinking of herself, fearing for herself if fearing at all. (if the accident scenario is used)

    Seems the accident scenario could raise its ugly head to explain Casey’s culpability for Caylee’s death still? (remember ‘the Bus’) (but defense would also have to blame not just ‘accidental oversight’ on Cindy and George, but wreckless and careless behaviour, uncaring, unfearing, if they knew Casey was a risk to her child– not sure this will go far enough, but who knows, maybe the defense knows something of what the family is most worried about and can use it).
27. Kleat says:

    August 28, 2009 at 9:50 am

    … and if the defense wants to keep it’s possible positions close to the vest so that the prosecution does not cover it in it’s presentation of the case, or prepare to argue the position when the defense does it’s ‘reveal’ at trial, maybe Cindy’s continual ‘she’s emotional, she’s showing emotion, I’m touched by her tears’, is being used to cover their plans.

    And to Casey’s ‘changed’ appearance– it shows emotional wear and tear, less hours in front of the mirror primping and applying makeup, grooming hair– that’s purposeful. And minimally it shows that Casey is just like everyone else, ‘feeling’ the consequences of her jail time. Not quite I think, except as Casey is upset about being ‘put there on a whim’ and her parents couldn’t arrange bond.

    One other point– and I’ll quit– Casey’s ‘bond’ re-visiting possibilities (as per ToddyMacs, see Blink’s article with video interview), wouldn’t the cheque fraud case, if allowed to proceed, and guilty verdict before the trial, put an end to the defense playing to the ‘media’ (jury pool) about ‘she shouldn’t be in jail– she’s innocent and we have proof’ and we might try to get a bond again?

    Casey, if found guilty, could be sentenced to time already served or get a much longer sentence, but the defense might want to play the ‘bond’ theme again sometime to promote their ‘innocent’ claim, if only for the theatrics. (?)
28. Kleat says:

    August 28, 2009 at 10:02 am

    Good point on the point of maternal reaction about a child taken, anger towards that person, would play big time– maybe not immediately in the Sawgrass scenario, but anger enough to call in authorities or call in help, even if it was ‘innocent’ seeming at first, the nanny had a flat tire, was delayed, cell phone broken, a mother would be highly concerned and could clearly justify calling in help.

    But the story of the actual taking of the child, even Casey would get angry and fiesty, really angry and that anger would escalate to defending her child with strength she did not know she had. She was fit anyway.

    I believe that a father would have no less of a protective reaction at this point, to defend a child who is being led away on some threat– maybe it’s not the immediate ‘maternal fear’. But the strength and need to protect would kick in, hard-wired, biological even. But clearly, maternal instincts to fight would be fight to the death for the child.
29. Kleat says:

    August 28, 2009 at 10:08 am

    (oh, and if Casey in the scenario at Blanchard was not ‘fear’ or anger for her child, it would certainly be anger and rage against someone taking something or doing something to herself, Casey, the mother. Casey could not be paralysed with fear, if they defense argues ‘no fear’– Casey stated she was afraid of not seeing her daughter again, ‘absolutely petrified’. And fear of her mother’s reaction. Never once did Casey say ‘I am so angry with what you have done, Zani… or I am so sorry for what I have done to cause you to keep my child– I will say to the cops, that I paid you for keeping her for the month– I’ll pay… whatever you want”. )
30. Kleat says:

    August 28, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Blink hit it on the head once again….

    “My fave line.. “Im the lawyer, that is my client..” sidesplitter. Baffoon in a suit.
    B”

    (THAT sums up Baez’s arguement in one short, sweet sentence, he need not have said more…)
31. Kleat says:

    August 28, 2009 at 10:15 am

    (PS: I would LOVE to read the retainer agreement between Todd Mac and Casey, but not even so much as reading the retainer parameters for Ms. Lyon’s defense role– is it open ended, anything and everything that’s needed, or does is specify her role with some limitations, like to not go certain places of ‘baffoonery’ that she does not believe support her client’s best interests, for example). They have already ventured into ‘baffoonery’ big time.
32. Marcy says:

    August 28, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    One thing (among zillions of other things) that has bothered me about this case is Cindy’s remark early on, that “Casey doesn’t trust local law enforcement.” When I first heard that, it made no sense to me. Now, a year later, it still doesn’t make any sense.

    If you do not trust someone, it is because that trust has been betrayed before. Obviously, since Casey was never arrested before this, that was not the case.

    Why would Cindy say that? Why would Casey hint at that? Has Cindy never once questioned the rationality or even sanity of the bizarre, off-the-wall things Casey has said?

    Yesterday I heard an audio of Ryan Jenkins’s mother. She was crying, protesting his innocence. But you could tell she was crying because she just couldn’t believe it. There was none of the combative, you-are-trying-to-frame-my-daughter nonsense that Cindy has spouted from the very beginning.

    I wonder, has anyone ever tried to tell Cindy how foolish she looks and sounds? No doubt Mark NeJame tried to tell her ~ I believe that’s why he finally gave up on the Anthonys.

    It also occurs to me that if Casey should be acquitted, she will not be able to continue to live in Orlando. I think people would go out of their way to let her know she is not welcome in that community.
33. NancyS says:

    August 28, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    I just cannot believe that this family continues to live in that house?
    The posting on this blog are tremendous and I am REALLY hoping that the whole bunch of players are reading here as we are “normal” people with realy problems and we are grandparents, parents, friends, wives, daughters, sons on and on and we all agree….
    There is something REALLY wrong here and that the jurors in this case are going to be US.
    I continue to plea to the Anthony family and all the players.
    REMEMBER CAYLEE was ONLY 2 years old and she didn’t EVER get a chance to make mistakes or decide who her parents were and who would protect her?
    Please STAND UP for this child, you have all had a chance at life. SHE DID NOT!
34. silverspnr says:

    August 28, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Marcy #682
    Casey didn’t trust them, because they had her number as soon as she gave that ridiculous statement–and were honest enough to let her know that her story was “suspicious”. They even gave her an opportunity to alter it/come clean.

    LOL at Cindy– Who keeps peddling the most INANE b.s. on the market.
    For instance, how about the nonsense that Casey didn’t report Caylee as “missing” because someone was threatening her/the Ant family.. and what is the very first thing the Ants do to keep things on the down-low?? THEY SEND A MASS TXT TO ALL OF HER CONTACTS/THROW UP A MYSPACE PAGE DEDICATED TO IT.

    I wish people who really bought Cindy being “confused” about the last date she saw Caylee would take the time to sit and listen to the audiotapes of the 911 calls again. “I GAVE YOU 30 DAYS”.
    She KNEW the date.
    She also knew that she had a very bad fight with Casey on the 15th/Father’s Day after she got home from Mt. Dora.
    She didn’t think Casey just went to work. She believed that Casey had “taken” Caylee to “punish” her.

    IMO, so long as people keep bending over backwards to give her the benefit of the doubt (on ANY/all of her absurd positions/statements), she will continue to EXPLOIT it.
35. Marcy says:

    August 28, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    #684, Silver: This is what I fail to understand, how ANYONE can listen to the B/S Cindy spews & actually believe her. When I mentioned Casey did not trust local LE, I knew why she didn’t trust them. But I couldn’t for the life of me comprehend why Cindy would regurgitate that back to the public, & think we would believe it.

    Never have I seen such a loudmouth as Cindy. A few months ago, here in California, the son of the ex-Assembly Speaker allegedly took part in a murder with some other young men. His parents made a public statement, saying they believe in their son, they stand behind him, and they will let justice determine the rest. What a class act. It really impressed me because all I could compare it to was Cindy wielding her hammer, chewing her cud, & essentially saying, “Casey is leaving clues that aliens from the planet Melmac took Caylee away. And I believe her. And you should too.”
36. Kleat says:

    August 28, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    YES!!!!!!

    http://www.wesh.com/news/20604174/detail.html

    Motion in motion…. the pressures come to bear down on Casey Anthony, pre-trial year.

    Go Leo!! Tony and crew…
37. NancyS says:

    August 28, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Casey is leaving clues that aliens from the planet Melmac took Caylee away. And I believe her. And you should too.”

    HAHAHA thanks for the smile…..
38. Kleat says:

    August 28, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Q: Will Judge Strickland, knowing that Ms. Lyon has stated that sometime soon after Labour Day and arguing not enough evidence to support capital murder charges against Casey, wait until after that motion is filed and heard, before deciding on the date for the fraud charges? Will that be his option, so that he will protect Casey from having possible criminal conviction(s) when she goes to trial for murder?

    Will the ‘order’ of the offenses be important in this decision? IE, the cheque frauds were known to have occurred after the child went missing and after the date the state believes the child was killed, yet the defense will apparently argue that the child was killed later on, when Casey was in jail so the two ‘events’ would not be related at all– the crime spree not related to the heightened activities that might be typical after the emotional charge of killing.

    Casey had been stealing, committing cheque fraud, before the child died, so presumably, the state won’t have to explain ‘why’ as it could relate to the child’s killing, or the murder case at all.
39. BrendaT says:

    August 28, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    I just could not believe it when I read Lyons is bringing a motion to argue there is not enough evidence to support a capital murder charge. Then realized it must be confined to the elements required to qualify as a death penalty case and that Lyons would not have to argue the actual evidence at this juncture. Am I on the right track here? My mind was running wild as I was thinking that to support the motion Lyons would have to give up defense evidence they have eg KC was in gaol (couldn’t resist) when Calylee’s body was dumped so close to home and the botanical evidence etc. etc

    As always fascinating reading here. Thanks everyone.
40. BrendaT says:

    August 28, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    I feel really dumb about post 689 re the anticipated Lyons motion. It has been discussed so much. My imagination got away on me re scintilating evidence seeping out. It will be interesting to see the quality of the documentation.
41. Maura says:

    August 28, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    684 Silver

    Before that 911 call, Cindy had told Amy on the drive to Tony’s that she hadn’t seen Caylee for 30 days, so it wasn’t just a slip Cindy made when she didn’t realize she was being recorded. If the Anthonys or Cindy alone had been colluding to mislead LE about the date, they would have looked at a calendar and figured out the number of days between June 8 and July 15 and said Caylee had been missing for 37 days (or whatever it works out to). Or they would have reported Caylee as having been kidnapped five weeks earlier, not a month earlier.

    I do believe Cindy was confused about the date, and as I’ve been putting together a timeline starting in January 2008, I am currently inclined to believe that a vicious fight occurred sometime around June 8, and that’s why Cindy remembered that date as the beginning of the deep estrangement. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t also an ugly fight on June 15, but perhaps the June 8ish fight was the choking fight and the June 15 fight was ugly but not as heated.

    I keep two things in mind regarding the choking fight:

    1) The neighbor Jean Couty said he witnessed two extremely ugly fights between Cindy and Casey that occurred on weekends when both females were in the Anthony driveway. He was washing his car during one fight and had just finished mowing the lawn during the second, so the fights happened in the daytime. He believed one of the fights happened around the end of May. The second one he wasn’t as sure about, but he said that since the media were reporting June 16 as the day Caylee went missing, he would guess that mid-June was probably the when the second occurred ‘because that’s when Cindy would have been asking questions.’ Couty was trying to backtrack into the date of the second fight using a media-published timeline, so his June date is iffy IMO. Casey didn’t get home on Sunday, June 15 until 7:30pm, and it’s unlikely Couty was mowing his lawn or washing his car around twilight on Father’s Day.

    2) The second report of a fight comes from Jesse Grund’s 9-8 OCSO interview:

    “Uh, Lee, shortly after my second interview with Orange County, confided in me that uhm, the reason that he thought, Cindy confided in him that the reason he thought, she felt that Casey ran off was there was a big fight between the two of them and the fight concerned Casey not being home a lot uhm, and uhm, not bringing Caylee by. Uhm, it got into a very heated argument, which turned physical, and Cindy started choking Casey.”

    Does Jesse’s account make sense? Would Cindy have choked Casey PRIOR to June 16 because Casey wasn’t bringing Caylee by the Anthony house? It doesn’t make any sense to me. That makes sense as a reason for Cindy’s anger after June 16, but not prior to June 16.

    What would make sense to me is that Cindy was choking Casey because Casey taking off without Caylee and leaving all the babysitting to Cindy. That version is consistent with what Gentiva employee Debbie Bennett said – Cindy was frustrated because she was always watching Caylee.

    Setting the stage . . .

    Amscot records for Casey Anthony’s account showed probable stolen checks passed by Casey using Cindy Anthony’s checking account around the time that she began dating Ricardo:

    On January 31, 2008 at the Chickasaw Amscot, Casey cashed a check for $50 using check #4674 from Cindy’s account.

    On February 6, 2008 at the Chickasaw Amscot, Casey cashed a check for $75 using check #4632 from Cindy’s account.

    On February 8, 2008 at the Chickasaw Amscot, Casey cashed a check for $125 using check #4633 from Cindy’s account.

    On February 9, 2008 at the Sandlake Amscot, Casey attempted to cash a check for $200 using check #4676 from Cindy’s account. The cashier must have checked with Cindy’s bank because the check was presented to Amscot but was not cashed. I don’t know why Casey went to a different Amscot for the February 9 check. Perhaps Cindy had learned of the three other checks and alerted the Chickasaw Amscot, and Casey thought she could slip in another one if she went to a different Amscot branch.

    On March 19, 2008 at the Chickasaw Amscot, Casey cashed a check for $20 using check #614 on Shirley Plesea’s account. This must have been Casey’s birthday check, a check Cindy claimed Casey never cashed. Cindy claimed that Casey took the routing number of the March 2008 birthday check and used it to pay her AT&T bill (without cashing the birthday check), but the $354 AT&T bill was paid from Alex Plesea’s account and was in addition to the $20 birthday check that Casey cashed at Amscot.

    On April 10, Casey withdrew $354 from Alex Plesea’s Bank of America nursing home account to pay her AT&T Cellular bill.

    Probably on or before May 10, Shirley Plesea received a bank statement for Alex’s account and discovered the stolen money. Shirley told OCSO she found out about the stolen money “between April and May.” She went to Bank of America, and after investigating, they told Shirley that the money had been taken to pay Casey Anthony’s AT&T bill. Shirley called Cindy and told her about the stolen money. Shirley couldn’t bring herself to talk to Casey, so she sent Casey an email telling her she didn’t want Casey coming over to her residence. Shirley said in August that she had not talked to Casey since that email confrontation.

    When Shirley later spoke to Cindy about the stolen $354, Cindy told Shirley the story about Casey’s need for a Universal cell phone that the company would reimburse employee’s for purchasing. Shirley asked Cindy where Casey’s own money was, and Cindy said Casey’s money was in a locker at the Hard Rock Hotel. That story is consistent with what George told the FBI on July 31 – that whenever Casey asked to borrow cash, she would say she had a couple of checks that were being held in her manager’s desk at work and needed to borrow money until she got and cashed the checks.

    Casey and Caylee spent the day with Chris Stutz and his parents on Mother’s Day, May 11. Unfortunately, neither George, Cindy, nor Shirley were asked any questions about Mother’s Day in their OCSO or FBI statements. I’m guessing Cindy spent the day with Shirley, and Casey wasn’t welcome so she took Caylee to the Stutz’s house.

    According to Shirley, Cindy saw a counselor shortly after learning about the $354 stolen check, and the counselor told Cindy to throw Casey and Caylee out of the house. Cindy couldn’t do that, but just because Cindy couldn’t throw them out doesn’t mean Cindy didn’t try some tough love of her own.

    Shirley knew Casey’s Universal-will-reimburse-you-for-the-cost-of-my-$354-phone story was ridiculous, and Cindy almost certainly questioned that story herself and confronted Casey.

    On May 14, the “Owner” account password on the HP laptop was set to Rico23. On the same day, Casey faked a “work” email from Thomas Franck saying, “NBC called in a favor and we are hosting yet another event at Studios. Please report in by 7:30pm.” Casey gave a copy of that email to Cindy because all the faked emails Lee gave to OCSO had been provided by Cindy. My guess is Casey was trying to convince Cindy that she was really working.

    Casey actually went to Voyage with Amy, Troy, and Ricardo on the night of May 14. After leaving Voyage, in the early morning of May 15, Casey drove over something or hit a guardrail and got two flat tires on FL 408 while driving home. She called Ricardo and Troy for help. From Troy Brown’s statement: “We went out to Voyage that evening. We came back to Ricardo’s house. We were there for – she was there for maybe 10 minutes, then she left. She called us 10 minutes later asking us to come and help her because she got two flat tires.” Troy and Ricardo could get only one flat fixed with the spare, but they said Casey was frantic to get home to Caylee. “Then she actually, she was saying she had — had to get home for Caylee in the morning — and so she actually attempted to drive home on the two flat tires and then sparks flew and everything was flying,” according to Troy Brown.

    IMO Casey was “frantic to get home to Caylee” because Cindy had threatened her but good after the stolen Plesea check – threatened her about the lying, the stealing, and the failure to live up to her responsibilities to Caylee.

    On the same day the she received the Thomas Franck email, Casey coincidentally received an email from Gabe Marsh telling her she had to report from 10am to 4pm on May 15 to work a concert at City Walk.

    On May 17, Casey and Caylee spent the night with Chris Stutz.

    On May 20, Casey created a profile on Cupid.com (last login was May 27).

    On May 21, Tony Lazzaro “hit Casey up” by leaving a message on her MySpace page.

    On May 23, Tony Rusciano sent Casey an IM asking her what her Facebook statuses meant. He wasn’t specific, but Casey responded, “I was feeling a bit bitter for a few days, so things I wrote probably reflected what I was feeling then.”

    On Saturday, May 24, Casey, Amy, and Troy went to Buffalo Wild Wings on Waterford before heading to party where Tony said he would be (his company was DJing the party); party was thrown by Chris Kokkino for Daniel Howard’s birthday. Casey met Tony Lazzaro and Nathan Lezniewicz face-to-face for the first time at the party.

    Sunday, May 25 was the date of the “Anything but Clothes” party in which Casey wore an American flag. Cindy was watching Caylee because Casey claimed to be working. According to Amy Huizenga, Cindy saw the photos of Casey in the flag on the Internet, printed out a picture of Casey, and held it in front of Casey’s face saying, “You’re at work, huh?

    On Thursday, May 29, Casey and Caylee stayed with Ricardo overnight (per Ricardo’s July 25 OCSO interview).

    On Friday, May 30, Cindy went to Mount Dora and stayed overnight with Shirley because Alex wasn’t doing well. She recalled that the overnight was at the beginning of her vacation (she took the week of Monday, June 2 off). The May Epass records are not available to confirm the trip to Mount Dora.

    Casey was supposed to have a date with Tony, but perhaps without a sitter, she had to cancel. Casey and Caylee stayed with Ricardo overnight (per Ricardo’s July 25 OCSO interview).

    Saturday, May 31, Memorial Day. Cindy spent the day in Mount Dora before returning to the Anthony house (time of return unknown because Epass records for May were not in released discovery). George watched Caylee because Casey went to a Memorial Day party at Arden Villas, where Tony was doing a Hip Hop Showcase. After the party, Tony and Casey went to a movie at Waterford Lakes, and then went to a party at the residence of Estelle Goodwin. Tony’s Jeep was on the fritz, so Casey was driving; she dropped him off at the end of their evening and went home.

    The AT&T records for Casey’s cell begin on June 1, and what an eye-opener they are relative to the calls Cindy makes to Casey virtually every time she leaves the house for the first week of June. Cindy had very obviously put Casey on a VERY short leash, whether or not she had Caylee.

    According to Tony, he and Casey were intimate for the first time on June 1, but she did not stay over. Casey’s June 1 cell records indicate that after spending the day of May 31 with him, she went to Tony’s apartment around 1:45am and stayed until around 3:00am. She was in the Anthony neighborhood at 3:16am, and sent a text to Tony at 3:26am.

    Her phone then went dead until 7:25am, when she was pinging a tower about a mile from Tony’s, apparently on her way to his apartment. At 7:26am, she called Tony and pinged the main tower she hits when she’s at his apartment, apparently letting him know she was almost there. Casey did not return to the Anthony area until 17 hours later. Casey and Tony went to a barbecue together at Ryan Lopez’s apartment at Pegasus Connection.

    During that 17-hour period away from the Anthony house,

    Casey retrieved a voicemail from the Anthony landline at 7:44am (25 seconds).
    Casey sent a text to Cindy’s cell at 8:16am that was immediately returned.
    Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline at 2:54pm (47 seconds).
    Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline at 4:39pm (30 seconds).
    Casey called the landline at 5:16pm for 49 seconds.
    Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline at 8:51pm (38 seconds).
    Casey tried the landline (0 seconds), then reached Cindy’s cell at 9:21pm for 65 seconds.

    There were no more calls between Casey and Cindy for the rest of the night.

    Casey returned to the Anthony house shortly after midnight.

    Monday, June 2: Cindy was on vacation, but she did not watch Caylee because Casey brought Caylee to the swimming pool at Tony’s apartment for the day. Tony took camera phone pictures of Caylee at the pool, time-stamped 4:52pm.

    Casey’s cell records show she left the Anthony house around 9:00am.
    Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline at 2:10pm (32 seconds).
    Casey called the landline at 2:56pm (36 seconds).
    Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline at 4:33pm (50 seconds).
    Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline at 6:13pm (8 seconds).
    Casey called the landline at 6:40pm for 403 seconds (6.77 minutes).

    Casey returned to the Anthony house around 6:55pm. For the rest of the night, Casey used her cell phone 168 times, pinging Anthony towers, until her phone went dead at 1:34am. She received no calls from Cindy after 6:55pm, so she was likely home.

    Tuesday, June 3: Cindy was on vacation, but Casey was apparently in the house except for two hours in the late afternoon. Casey’s cell records show she used her cell phone 177 times between 8:26am and 4:18pm, pinging Anthony towers. She received no calls from Cindy, so she was probably home.

    From 4:52pm to 5:17pm, she pinged JP towers.

    She left JP’s for the Anthony home, but she took her time. The trip normally takes 20 minutes, and Casey took a leisurely 56 minutes. From 5:17pm to 5:25pm, she was around South Crystal Lake Drive and Curry Ford Road. From 5:30pm to 5:52pm, she was around Lake Mary Drive. From 5:59pm to 6:10pm, she was around Hoffner Avenue. At 6:13pm, she was back at the Anthony house.

    Cindy did not call her when she was out of the house, so Casey either had Caylee with her or Casey was out with Cindy’s blessing or both.

    From 6:30pm until 1:10am, she used her cell phone 56 times and only pinged Anthony towers. None of those calls were from Cindy, so Casey was probably home. At 1:10am, her phone went dead for the night.

    Wednesday, June 4: Cindy was on vacation. Casey was apparently in the house until late afternoon. Casey used her cell 120 times between 7:18am and 3:28pm, pinging Anthony towers. None of the calls were from Cindy, so she was probably home. She then left the area and was at Tony’s by 4:00pm.

    This was the night of Troy’s party at Club Voyage. Amy and Ricardo were there, and Casey brought Tony, Clint, and Maria but they didn’t stay long. Tony and Casey went back to his apartment between 1:00-1:25am. Tony said Casey did not stay over that night because Cindy would not allow Casey to be gone all night while Cindy and George were babysitting.

    At 3:43pm, only 15 minutes after leaving, Casey called the landline (83 seconds).
    At 1:24am, Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline (52 seconds).
    At 2:25am, Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline (9 seconds).
    At 2:40am, Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline (63 seconds).
    At 2:58am, Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline (33 seconds).
    At 3:10am, Casey called the Anthony landline (45 seconds).

    Casey left Tony’s around 3:10am, and talked to him for 10 minutes on her drive home. She returned to the Anthony house around 3:30am. She sent a few text messages until 4:00am, when her phone went dead for the night.

    Thursday, June 5: Cindy’s birthday. Cindy was on vacation, and she watched Caylee for most of the day. Casey used her phone 42 times from 7:12am until around 10:42am, pinging Anthony towers. None of the calls were from Cindy, so Casey was probably home. After an hour of inactivity, she pinged a tower in the immediate vicinity of JP’s condo at 11:44am. Casey was at Tony’s by 12:49pm. Casey and Tony went somewhere around 3:15pm and were back at his place around 6:00pm.

    While Casey was out of the house . . .
    At 1:30pm, Casey called Cindy’s cell (2 seconds).
    At 1:30pm, Casey called the landline (2 seconds).
    At 1:31pm, Casey called Cindy’s cell (254 seconds = 4.23 minutes).
    At 3:32pm, Casey called the landline (35 seconds).
    At 3:51pm, Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline (5 seconds).
    At 3:52pm, Casey called the landline (214 seconds = 3.57 minutes).
    At 5:55pm, Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline (112 seconds = 1.87 minutes). At 7:15pm, Casey called the landline (279 seconds = 4.65 minutes).

    Casey returned to the Anthony area around 7:45pm. From the time she got home until around 1:30am, Casey used her cell phone 158 times for a combination of calls and texts, pinging Anthony towers. None of the calls were from Cindy, so Casey was probably home.

    Lee testified that he stopped at the Anthony house to wish Cindy a happy birthday and saw Caylee for the last time. Lee did not say when he stopped over, but he said Casey was not at home when he was there.

    Cindy later complained to her supervisor that Casey had not called or come around to wish Cindy a happy birthday. It certainly appears to have been a lie to say Casey hadn’t been around, but it could have been the truth that Casey didn’t wish her a happy birthday. The cell records indicate Cindy was keeping Casey on a very tight leash (or trying to), and ordering Casey home (even when Casey was watching Caylee as she was on June 2). I imagine Casey was furious with Cindy’s tough love approach and shut herself in her room as soon as she got home.

    In an email to Mary Lou, Shirley said she called Cindy, and Cindy sounded depressed; Shirley said Cindy wouldn’t tell her the reason why she didn’t go to Fort Myers, only that Cindy said she “didn’t feel like it.”

    Friday, June 6: Cindy was on vacation, and she probably watched Caylee. Casey was up at 6:52am, still pinging an Anthony tower. She pinged Anthony towers 63 times until 4:28pm, when she left the area. She was in range of Tony’s apartment at 4:37pm, and stayed near the area of his apartment until they left for Fusian around 8:00pm.

    At 10:53pm, Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline (31 seconds).
    At10:55pm, Casey called the landline (94 seconds).
    At 3:39am, Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline (80 seconds).
    At 3:42am, Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline (8 seconds).
    At 3:45am, Casey took a call from the landline (65 seconds).

    At 5:06am, Casey returned to the Anthony area. Pinging Anthony towers, Casey sent 12 texts (to Tony, Ricardo, and Amy) until 5:24am, when her phone went dead for the night.

    Saturday, June 7: Casey was up at 8:26am, when Tony called her for a 14-minute conversation. She remained in the area of the Anthony home, using her phone 66 times, until 2:34pm.

    At 8:55am, Casey received a text message from Tony: “Ur beautiful and I love you” (archived on Casey’s cell).

    Epass records indicate this was the day George and Cindy went to Cocoa Beach together without Caylee. Epass records show George’s Chevy hitting the Beachline toll at 10:37am on the way out and the same toll at 3:42pm on the way back.

    At 2:34pm, Casey was driving out of the subdivision when she called the Anthony landline and left a 47-second message.
    At 2:40pm, she called Cindy’s cell (2 seconds).
    At 3:06pm, she retrieved a voicemail from Cindy’s cell (25 seconds).

    Casey was either checking to see when Cindy and George would be back to watch Caylee or she was letting them know that she was going to work and Caylee was going to Zanny’s.

    From 3:06pm until 8:40pm, she was in the vicinity of Tony’s apartment.

    By 8:45pm, she was at JP’s. Casey and Caylee stayed overnight with Ricardo. At 11:13pm, she called Cindy’s cell for a 384-second conversation (6.4 minutes), probably to let Cindy know she and Caylee were spending the night with Zanny. Casey stayed up until 5:42am while using her phone 73 times, mostly for trading text messages with Tony.

    Sunday, June 8: Casey stayed up until 5:42am, trading texts with Tony from JP’s.

    At 10:59am, Casey called the landline (98 seconds), pinging a JP tower.
    At 11:01am, the landline called Casey (100 seconds), pinging a JP tower.
    Casey and Caylee stayed with Ricardo at JP’s condo until around 1:00pm.

    At 1:29pm, Casey and Caylee were back at the Anthony house, and Casey pinged Anthony towers for 217 texts and calls until 4:34am. None of those 217 calls were from Cindy, so Casey was probably at home.

    From the Epass records, Cindy did NOT visit Alex at the nursing home on Sunday, June 8 either in the Toyota or the Chevy. She may have used a different route that avoided toll roads, but the more likely explanation is that she did not go to Mount Dora on June 8. This was the original date Cindy thought was the last time she had seen Caylee.

    Cindy probably did spend the day with Caylee from 1:30pm on, and maybe they went into the pool since per Shirley Plesea’s email to Mary Lou, the Anthonys opened the pool the week before.

    ***

    We don’t have the May phone and Epass records, so I can’t say how for long Cindy was agitatedly calling Casey every time Casey left the house. My hypothesis is that Cindy clamped down soon after seeing a counselor. It’s clear from the phone calls from Cindy to Casey when Casey was out during that first week of June that Cindy probably didn’t believe Casey was working even if Casey said that’s what she was doing. And from the number of calls Casey ignored and from the late, late nights Casey was out of the house, Casey was flouting Cindy, going out when she wanted to (even seeming to sneak off in the early morning) and then shutting herself in her room when she was at home.

    My guess is that the situation came to an ugly head on June 8 and that’s when the really bad physical fight could have occurred.

    On Monday, June 9, Cindy went back to work and the agitated phone calls from Cindy to Casey stopped.

    From midnight until 4:34am on June 9, Casey used her phone heavily, pinging Anthony towers.

    2:06am text from Tony: “Yo baby u beautiful” (archived on Casey’s cell)

    Casey and Caylee were in the area of the Anthony house until 5:00pm per Casey’s 97 pings since 8:40am.

    At 4:59pm, Casey called Cindy’s cell for 74 seconds.
    At 5:01pm, Casey called Cindy’s cell for 72 seconds.

    By the 5:01pm call to Cindy, Casey and Caylee were out of the house and pinging a tower at 5809 Curry Ford Rd. Cindy called Casey at 5:42pm for 340 seconds (5.67 minutes), at which time Casey was hitting a tower in the immediate vicinity of JP’s condo.

    Casey and Caylee stayed overnight with Ricardo. Casey exchanged calls and texts with Tony from about 6:00pm until 2:27am with a few long breaks. At 11:04pm, IP address 97.101.178.124 was used to download “Drama Masks” to Casey’s Photobucket account. Ricardo said this was the last night he and Casey were intimate.

    Tuesday, June 10:

    Cindy worked (gone from house approximately 7:15am to 5:30 pm). Casey was up at 6:53am sending a text to Tony from JP’s place. Casey and Caylee left Ricardo’s apartment sometime around late morning. This was last day Amy and Ricardo can confirm seeing Caylee.

    By 11:52am, Casey was hitting a Tony tower.

    Casey and Caylee picked Tony up at Full Sail and drove Tony to the mechanic to pick up his Jeep. Casey pinged a tower one mile from Tom’s Auto Repair (130 O’Brien, Casselberry) at 1:16pm. After, all three went to Subway where Casey bought sandwiches for the three of them, and then they drove back to Tony’s to eat their sandwiches. Casey and Caylee left Tony’s around 4:00pm and headed home.

    At 4:29pm, Casey and Caylee were back at the Anthony house. Casey used her phone heavily (180 calls and texts), pinging Anthony towers.

    7:24pm text from Tony: “Yeah I love you and only person that counts is you” (archived in Casey’s cell)

    Her phone went dead at 4:39am. None of the calls from 4:30pm on were from Cindy, so Casey was probably in the house.

    Wednesday, June 11:

    4:31am text from Tony: “You mean a lot to me too I mustve known u in a previous life”

    Cindy worked (gone from house approximately 7:30am to 6:00 pm).

    At 9:40am, Casey called Tony for 141 seconds as she and Caylee drove to his apartment. There is a gap in phone use from 9:43am to 1:32pm.

    Tony, Casey, and Caylee went to the Mall at Millenia in the afternoon where Tony promoted his Fusion Hip Hop Night. Tony said Casey drove them to the mall in the Pontiac after she, Caylee, and Tony stopped at the Anthony house first so that she and Caylee could change. From Casey’s cell records, it appears they left his apartment around 2:20pm.

    At 5:34pm, Casey tried Cindy’s cell but didn’t connect (0 seconds).

    When Tony finished handing out flyers, the three went to the Cheesecake Factory.
    Around 5:38-6:00pm, Casey pinged two towers very close to the Mall at Millenia.

    Friends of the Anthonys said they saw Caylee at a local mall on Thursday, June 12 and described what she was wearing (pink and blue outfit and white-rimmed sunglasses). The friends may have been confused about the date and meant Wednesday, June 11 since Casey’s pings for the 12th were at the Anthony house and Tony’s apartment and don’t leave room for a mall trip.

    7:02pm Epass records show Casey ran through the Conway toll without paying. After bringing Tony back to his apartment, Casey and Caylee left around 7:10pm and didn’t return that day. Tony said they dropped him off and said good-bye; that was the last time Tony Lazzaro saw Caylee.

    This may be the evening she and Kristina Chester met and walked at Lake Underhill Park. Kristina Chester claimed to have gone for walk with Casey and Caylee in the evening around Lake Underhill Park from around 6:00-8:30p on either June 12 or June 13. But it must be June 11th because Casey was home after 6:13pm on the 12th and went to Tony’s and Fusian on the 13th. Casey could have met Kristina at the park immediately after dropping Tony off after their Mall at Millenia outing.

    Casey called the Anthony landline at 8:12pm (201 seconds = 3.35 minutes)

    At 8:25pm, Casey was back in the Anthony neighborhood. She stayed in the area all night, pinging Anthony towers 84 times until her phone went dead at 2:35am. None of the calls were from Cindy, so Casey was probably at home.

    Thursday, June 12:

    From midnight until 2:35am, Casey and Tony talked three times on the phone for a total of 135 minutes.

    Casey was up at 8:11am. She and Caylee left the Anthony house around 1:31pm, and went to Tony’s for the afternoon.

    At 5:44pm, Cindy called Casey for a 20-minute phone call. Casey was at Tony’s when she received the call.

    By 6:13pm, Casey had returned to the Anthony house. She used the phone 64 times, pinging Anthony towers, until 3:43am. None of the calls were from Cindy, so Casey was probably at home.

    Friday, June 13:

    Casey was up and using the phone at 6:11am.

    Casey left the Anthony house at 12:10pm and went to Tony’s.

    At 6:09pm, Casey took a 64-second call from the Anthony landline.

    At 7:08pm, Casey retrieved a 21-second voice message from the landline. There were no additional calls from Cindy or the landline for the rest of the night.

    Casey went to Fusian with Tony in the evening. In a photo taken that evening, she was wearing a black dress and rosary beads (probably a Friday the 13th theme). After Fusian, she and Tony went back to his apartment.

    Casey called the landline at 2:49am from Tony’s apartment; the call lasted 85 seconds. Shortly thereafter, she drove home, arriving around 3:15am. It is possible that she asked for permission to stay out overnight, and Cindy refused.

    Saturday, June 14:

    Casey was up and using the phone at 8:12am. She pinged Anthony towers 37 times (mostly texts to Tony) until she left the Anthony area around 11:50am. OCSO has a Panera Bread receipt for $16.22 for a purchase made by Tony at 1:22pm.

    At 3:14pm, Casey retrieved a voicemail from the landline (26 seconds).
    At3:29pm, Casey called the landline (33 seconds).

    Casey returned around 3:48pm to the Anthony house.

    George worked 3-11 per timecard in discovery.

    Casey used her phone 181 times from 3:48pm until 1:51am, pinging Anthony towers. None of the calls were from Cindy, so Casey was probably at home.

    Casey logged on to Tony Lazzaro’s MySpace and left a message: “You’re absolutely my favorite”.

    Sunday, June 15, Father’s Day:

    George worked 3-11 per timecard in discovery. Cindy said she gave George his Father’s Day gift before she and Caylee left for the nursing home. Cindy also said George didn’t want to do anything (like a barbecue) because he had to work.

    Cindy took Caylee to visit Alex before going to Shirley’s for an early afternoon dinner; Epass records show Cindy was gone from the Anthony house from about 9:30am until about 2:30pm.

    Casey was at Tony’s from 9:15am to 7:30pm.

    At 3:35pm, Casey retrieved a 37-second voicemail from the landline.
    At 5:06pm, Casey called the landline for a 3.47-minute call.
    At 7:10pm, Casey called the landline for 37 seconds.

    Casey was back at the Anthony house around 7:30pm.

    As I look at the phone records, my interpretation is that the temperature in the Cindy-Casey relationship had reached the boiling point during the first week of June and culminated in a confrontation on June 8. The following week, Cindy had stopped making agitated phone calls to Casey whenever Casey was out of the house. My guess is the temperature went from boiling to near-freezing after that fight. I do believe there was another confrontation on June 15, but not one that necessarily got out of hand physically.

    At any rate, that was a very long comment (my apologies to Blink) to make the point that I think Cindy’s mistaken date may be a revealing confabulation rather than an intent to throw off the investigation by giving the wrong date. She knew it had been 30 days/a month since she had seen Caylee.

    Apology not necessary, pristine work, and I agree I dont think there was ever an attempt to mislead on Cindy’s part on the date issue, but on everything else involving Casey’s activities, definately.
    B
42. Kleat says:

    August 29, 2009 at 9:23 am

    I agree about the earlier date, Maura. But what I’m leaving some room for, is that there was a reason that the 8th or 9th stuck out in Cindy’s mind, or that she was in her mind, wanting to avoid the 15th, not saying purposefully, obviously she, George, Lee and law enforcement can count back days. But possibly she had put the 8th in her mind for some reason earlier on and this stuck out.

    Now to read your whole post!
43. Kleat says:

    August 29, 2009 at 9:36 am

    and before I do the reading, Blink, can you please (when you get time, no rush) tell me how to correctly pronounce (how Tracey McLaughlin), pronounces her own last name? I’ve heard the name pronounced ‘Mc-Loff-lan’, but its a familiar name here that is pronounced ‘Mc-Lock-lan’, which is the Scottish version.

    Whatever Tracy and her family use, would be the correct because it’s their name, I’m just not used to the Americanized version at all so will have to adjust if the used recently by Judge Stan and the media announcers, is the correct version according to the name’s owner.
44. Kleat says:

    August 29, 2009 at 9:51 am

    Just a comment;

    To Maura’s reminder of the 15th events as we know from the discovery so far, I’m guessing that redactions might include LE interviews with George in discussion about the 15th and what happened when he got home, whether Cindy was home, what vehicles were home and parked where, whether George looked in on Caylee asleep (as adults who are part of the child’s life, often do), where Casey was. (if Casey typically slept with an almost 3 year old toddler on an every-night basis, and kept her room door shut typically, then grandparents may not have been able to habitually ‘peek in’ to Caylee if she was already sleeping. That is a big ‘hole’ missing in the interviews, what situation George came home to. Was everything ‘as per normal’ or were there things left in a bit of upheaval, or completely normal, Cindy relaxed waiting up reading or asleep already, quiet house, no upset evident between the women? Would George typically come home, shower and get to sleep, or would he stay up for awhile, make a snack or watch the news, etc.

    All those questions are missing from what we have in hand so far. Did George say things in the early interviews that might reveal info before Cindy got him turned around and hooked up to the family tow line?
45. Kleat says:

    August 29, 2009 at 10:03 am

    yep, Maura affirms my suspicions of something coming to a confrontation between the women on June 8th… and I suspect it’s why the mix up in the dates– something happened…

    Thanks, Maura! Your post of the timeline of critical events for that period, is such a useful refresher, as we get bogged down in detail after detail of things, it’s good to step back and take a review of the bigger picture.
46. suz says:

    August 29, 2009 at 11:30 am

    silverspnr, omg, i was #666?? the devil, you say! (yipes, i had not noticed that, lol).
47. lily says:

    August 29, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Maura – I keep saying thanks – but wow. just wow.
48. SuzeeB says:

    August 29, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    #691Maura

    I echo Lily’s WOW You have certainly put a great deal of work into this case. You among others are absolutely brilliant.

    Oooops Sorry didn’t mean to say “Absolutely”
49. Angela_nw says:

    August 29, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    I will echo Maura wow: but plz note: On Wed June 11 you have “the last time Tony saw Caylee” but then on June 12 Casey and Caylee left home 1:31 p.m. and spent the afternoon at Tony’s. So it was June 12 Thursday that Tony was with Caylee last. Also, on Friday the next day, Casey left home around noon for Tony’s, do we assume Cindy was home that day watching Caylee? Cindy not at work?
50. Maura says:

    August 29, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    699

    Thank you, Angela.

    That’s part of a January 2008 to July 15 timeline that I have not finished, and I’ve been changing some of the original dates of specific events without making notes everywhere about inconsistencies.

    I originally thought the Mall trip was on June 12, and Tony said in an interview that when Casey and Caylee dropped him off, he saw Caylee for the last time. But the pings put the date of the Mall trip on June 11. It is still Tony’s testimony that he last saw Caylee on the day of the Mall trip, but since he had school from 9am to 1pm on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday in June and since Casey’s pings put her and Caylee at his apartment on the afternoon of June 12, that date (and not the mall date) must be the last time he saw Caylee. His testimony was off by a day; I just didn’t note that in the timeline.

    Cindy was back to work on Monday, June 9 and she works full-time, day shift, Monday through Friday. I didn’t specifically note in the timeline that she was working on June 12 or June 13, but she was from what we know of her schedule.

    George’s schedule is Monday through Thursday unless he picks up extra shifts (that is mentioned numerous times in the discovery), so it seems highly likely that George was watching Caylee when Casey left for Tony’s, then Fusian, on Friday, June 13.

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