Haleigh Cummings Case: Pond in Putnam County Drained
BREAKING NEWS
Satsuma, FL– In the latest developments in the case of missing 6 year old Satsuma girl Haleigh Cummings, deputies are searching the woods and draining a pond on Stokes Landing Road.
Neighbors have reported the roads to the pond have been blocked off, and the crew draining the pond have been on scene since Police dive teams were deployed to the pond Friday morning.
This development comes on the heels of the arrest of Hank Croslin, Misty Cummings brother less than 24 hours earlier on an unrelated firearms charge.
Hank Croslin’s wife Lindsay, his sister and Haleigh Cummings step-mother, Misty Cummings, were at Satsuma Police HQ Friday morning.
There are unconfirmed rumors that Misty Cummings is in police custody. Recently, Misty Cummings sought the help of Texas Equusearch founder Tim Miller. Through the efforts of TES attorney Mark Nejame, Misty took a series of lie detector tests Miller said she failed miserably.
Reached for comment this morning, Mark Nejame told blinkoncrime.com the pond was in fact being drained, but had no new information.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for updates.
Contributing Editor Kate Mills
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!!! Wow — this is terrible news, but wonderful as well. Hopefully those responsible will finally see just in this one!
This case is so sad. Another innocent gone because of selfish behaviors. God rest haleigh!!
Ditto BCW - I pray Haleigh is found. Blink will be watching for updates…thanks.
from wftv.com
Divers Search Lake In Haleigh Cummings Case
Posted: 11:14 pm EDT September 18, 2009
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. — Dive crews in Putnam County searched a lake Friday night for evidence in the Haleigh Cummings case.
Sources tell Eyewitness News that crews did not find a body, but they did find evidence in the case.
Haleigh disappeared from her home in Satsuma in February.
Thursday night, authorities questioned the brother of Haleigh’s stepmother, Misty Croslin.
Hank Croslin was under arrest on grand theft charges unrelated to Haleigh’s case.
Detectives also questioned three other inmates about the girl’s disappearance.
Wow, this does not look good. I was really hoping they would find this child alive somewhere.
Do we know who, if anyone, owns this property?
[...] Satsuma, FL– In the latest developments in the case of missing 6 year old Satsuma girl Haleigh Cummings, deputies are searching the woods and draining a pond on Stokes Landing Road. [...]
Thanks for the info, Blink. So very sad.
I hope and pray they find this little girl. The world is so full of ugly.
Wow! I was thinking Misty was just a dipchit and couldn’t possibly be covering for someone else after all these months of scrutiny and interrogations.
I’m sooo relieved they didn’t find her in there, but I want her found so bad. i can’t wait to read what evidence they found. Maybe Misty will finally start to break. Sounds like her brother knows something…
My personal feeling this all involved over drugs, I pray they find Haliegh.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/16/stop-the-abuse-and-murder-of-the-children-in-the-us
Dear God, this took my breath away please let this be the answer to this sad sad story, I have been on pins and needels over this one, i don’t want it to be so, but sadly thinking it might just be.
Dear God in heaven what could have these people done to little Haliegh.
Please let Haleigh be found.
please let them find this beautiful baby
i dont think that the people in custody and the draining of the pond all at the same time are merely a coincidence
This is the first place I have heard the Misty rumor. At last LE decided to push somebody around: that $50000 bail for a gun that was returned before it was reported missing is kind of bs. Here is hoping that Misty is enjoying jail…Anybody else got news?
I was only able to confirm she was at the station yesterday, I have not heard of any kind of confession from anyone.
B
[...] Satsuma, FL– In the latest developments in the case of missing 6 year old Satsuma girl Haleigh Cummings, deputies are searching the woods and draining a pond on Stokes Landing Road. [...]
WOW ! Blink, thank you so much! I was afraid the things will turn out bad for little Haleigh ..NO way in the world Misty’s brother moved out of the area the same time Halegh disappeared ; second coinsidence - the search now with his arrest.Cops are doing great job in FL! Let’s see how Misty will end up been involved in this ..Thx again, Blink
This Pond/ area that is being searched is not far from where I told Crimestoppers to look for Haleigh’s remains.
I feel they are getting closer to finding her .
The area I told them about is across from there also near a road called Chickasaw Place….sound familar…….remember Caylee was found off Chickaswaw Trail /Suburban Rd.
Hope thay nail all of them!
NOt familiar with the area, was this pond and surroundings searched before ? Is it faraway from the trailer kids use to live ?
Can you ask if they know if Misty and Ron are seperated at this time or does anyone know their whereabouts?
I am hoping that they are seperated as that would tell me that we may just be near the end of this?
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2192419/police_flip_flop_on_haleigh_cummings.html?cat=8
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/091909_New_search_for_Haleigh_Cummings
This is soooo confusing and conflicting?
They are admitting to questioning Tommy and NayNay but LE is ALSO saying they have nothing to do with this searching of the pond?
I just want to know where Misty is Today!…. geesh
http://stephww.wordpress.com/
another source of information but don’t know how reliable?
I think the Watts name is the one that owns the funeral home that was taking donations and had the reward account or general donation fund for the Cummings family but it can also be a common name?
Perhaps someone knows a way of checking this out?
Hey Blink, the first try for the ‘pingback’ showed me a new page for missing people on SM? Whatever it was, EXCELLENT! Then my post didn’t work here so will retype.
In the meantime, I’ve listened to the video report as linked, and also have found 212 Monroe Ave in Buffalo Bluff and across the winding river, found Stokes Landing Rd. But no ‘ponds’ which probably are not shown in the Google earth satellite views– the river, I assume is not a pond by any description, although the news reporter implied that all were tied together and it’s less than a mile from Haleigh’s home to the Stokes Landing pond area.
From the Google maps, which is limiting, it appears that Monroe has an alleyway leading down to the river but also that the easiest accesses are through private home lots. There has to be well tramped local public access in that area, and probably a lot of off-shoots for small boat access. Same on the west side of the river. ‘Ponds’ (drainage ponds’ don’t seem to show up, unless it’s the agricultural drainage ditch that runs from a big barn (hogs or chickens?) from the Stokes Landing area.
Is there a map image from the county that would help?? Anyone have a link to county maps?
I am listening to putnam county police scanner and they did mention Timothy Croslins name and birthdate for some reason…
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=369
the link…..
Kleat, long day. Please post exactly what you requested, and I will post the still.
Thanks my friend
B
Long day– I bet, Blink. Not wanting to make work for you– thought a view of how ‘close’ that pond search apparently is, by water, to the Cummings home in Buffalo Bluff. A long circuitous route through town but almost directly west, across the river to the ‘landing’ area.
I’ve made a ‘direction map’ which takes you from ‘A’, the Cummings home on Monroe Ave via Google driving route (BLUE) to “B”, the lower end of Stokes Landing Road. (maybe someone has local knowledge of where that pond is, from this point– east, or south probably).
Here is a direct link, which I sent back to myself and checked so it works: (wait for the blue line to appear just to show the appro 20 mile road route to the site and the optional direct one mile route via boat on the river. The map is zoom-able to see details but I expect no details are in much of the ‘forest’ area away from town or mapped roads.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=212+Monroe+Ave+Satsuma&daddr=29.574054,-81.703091&geocode=&hl=en&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=13&sll=29.606148,-81.643524&sspn=0.122086,0.204449&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=13
One quick observation about the ’short’ route via waterways, that is no small river and there’s navigation hazards between Buffalo Bluffs area any which way you go. I’d think that even following the ’shoreline’ would be impossible on a dark night, and extremely hazardous to anyone in a small boat and the route would be best done farther north to avoid the islands and any ’sand bars’.
The direct route water route seems to be too hazardous for a night trip to a party place, unless there are some direct navigation aids.
Noticed the two large ‘tug’(?) boats at the end of Stokes Landing road. Whoever captains those boats would likely know every inch of that river and it’s hazards and likely be a good (probably expert) source of information, if the river route becomes a plausible explanation in the future.
If the river was used, a daylight trip would be the best choice, if not, the only practical choice (from a good safe armchair distance here, looking in from sat. view).
just thought, I’ve assumed the river flows ’southwest’ from the ‘bow’ which has the rail bridge (with looks like a span of some sort like a swing span), that could be wrong, anyone know? That would be important– what the direction of flow is between points A and B.
Why was Thomas Croslin over looked by police up until now? If most child abductions are not stranger related, you think they’d look a little closer at Misty’s circle, including family and junkie friends. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out she’s been hiding info or protecting someone. JMHO
He was NOT overlooked. Don’t believe everything you read my friend.
B
There is a satellite map of the search area on the Websleuth forum… look for the pic with the L-shaped pond
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87971&page=4
Re-listening to the video report, not sure if it’s updated again today, but reference to “1400 Block” of State Hwy 19 as the news team’s location. Also they reference Mondex (sp) which might be Mondetes Rd area? (which leads directly to Stokes Rd a short distance away– like about ).
There is a drainage pond (by it’s shape doesn’t look natural) almost across from the 19 and Mondetes ‘T’ intersection and on the other side of the highway 19, just above that are more ponds, which are either at low flood as it’s all ‘cleared’ (large squared shape) around the water at the date of the sat. photo.
Really like to narrow the area– the end of Stokes Rd doesn’t look so convenient for a major teen hang-out, but off a convenient highway, fewer houses in the area, faster access and quieter area, this area could be close?? Also, ‘off roading’ in the clear-cut power line area area — the report said something about the area being popular for that.
I’m thinking this looks like a good choice?? Hope the show a map soon:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1400+FL-19+County+Hwy&sll=29.592286,-81.711631&sspn=0.015263,0.025556&ie=UTF8&ll=29.594609,-81.713583&spn=0.007631,0.012778&t=h&z=17&layer=t&lci=com.panoramio.all
Hi Caly, yes, that “L” shaped pond is on River Rd and Mondetes, just down from Stokes Landing Rd too, and it’s in my last google link above, just on the other side of Hwy 19. The photo on websleuths is a bit later (looks like) than the earlier one in Blink’s article, just from the amount of exposed ‘beach’ area.
This is August, so those retention or drainage areas should be full. In earlier this year, January, wouldn’t the ponds be low, especially if it is a larger and ’shallow’ pond, as on the left with lots of bare areas at low water. So, this might be a reason to drain the pond because there could be evidence of a ‘burial’ under the mud, a ‘campfire’ or other ‘party remnants’ that would show up at a different ’shoreline’ at low water levels. That could be a reason to pump the pond vs searching with divers– a rock ring of a campfire, or added boulders over a possible body burial, might be seen undisturbed. And doing this search now, vs waiting for some months to low water again, would give a ‘pristine’ crime scene or evidence, vs another season of partying over the winter.
I think they may be looking at the pond opposite of 19, either the large area one (which during low season, would offer wide areas for partying on a ‘beach/sand pit’, and a lot of privacy) or the smaller pond just south of the bigger shallow one. (kids like gravel pits for partying as they are remote, nowhere near houses, and no noise problems or other interruptions, and easy quiet access, room for pit fires vs in ‘forest’ areas for bigger crowds).
I don’t think the ‘L’ is the one (hunch driven only)– but we’ll see if the WS’s are right, I don’t look there first and of course, just guessing, just like they are.
Thanks for the link! I didn’t see that till you gave me the link.
I initially was thinking that Haleigh’s disappearance was a parental custody/kidnap and that she was being kept hidden somewhere but she was ok. I was hoping so.
And, at low flood levels, lots of room to play around on the empty bare areas with bikes or atv’s, or trucks. The ‘L’ pond is bordered closely on all sides with roads, not nearly so private, no access to vast ATV’g areas without crossing those roads– people would know about the partying more likely than the other area. (jmho, but someone knows– we just need someone ‘there’ to put a pin on our maps!)
Kleat,
Reports are saying that they are searching in the area of Hwy19 and Escambia Rd. (just a little south of your map) I see another “L” shaped pond that has a more wooded environment around it between roads. Do you see which one I’m referring to?
Ok, various news sources in the area, have conflicting information on ‘the pond’. Blink’s link to the video says that the pond is linked by waterways directly to the Buffalo Bluff area. The ‘L’ pond and any in that area, don’t seem to fit. Also, the reporter says that she talked to neighbours in the area who have watched from their homes, the activity, including bulldozers etc– but how can it be both so isolated and within easy watching distance of someone’s back yard. (naw… unless someone has a trailer in the woods out there with little or no clearing around it)
Another report (local Fox station) includes ‘Interlachen’ as the location of the small lake. Interlachen doesn’t have hwy 19 through the town itself, but dropping further south, and taking the clue that the ’small lake’ or pond, is connected by a waterway which leads directly to Buffalo Bluff, gives a possibility on the google view.
The reports are being cryptic, when they could just publish a map view and location.
I’ll add the link in a minute, but there’s a ‘Buckman Lock Rd’, which leads to what else– locks! Locks ‘between the lakes’ or ‘Inter - loche’. Following the canal waterway east from the locks, it arrives at the river and the little lack must have a direct water link to either the canal or to the river.
Now, to find a ’small pond/lake’ which has direct water (boatable if not really truly navicable) in that general area. I followed the water east — linking to ‘Stokes Landing Road’, follow that road’s “direction line” south, there is a ‘little white’ dot in all that green tree cover– the Stokes road direction points right to it.
That little white dot would be a pond which was low at the time the satelite view was taken– in August, the white areas would be filled with water. This could be the pond IF it has a waterway that leads to the river, therefore, to Buffalo Bluffs as Ms. Bauer reported in her video. And it DOES.
Here’s the link– find the little white ‘dot’ of a pond near the canal/river convergence, and by dropping an imaginary line right down the Stokes Rd– it’s right in all that treed green area closer to the water, but not touching it.
Interlachen, FL
Link:
Once that white dot ‘pond’ is located, you can zoom in on it, and there IS a water link in the trees, back to the river. The little waterway is hard to see, but it goes from the top left area of the ‘white pond’ and makes a ‘C’ curving around the pond area and then connects to the river.
It’s in the trees, but visible.
The other ponds, off 19, either side discussed earlier, don’t fit other discriptions by reporters, particularly as that pond is said to connect to the river and on to Buffalo Bluffs.
This one fits that.
oh oh, the link did not post– I need to remove the html brackets first I assume:
Interlachen, FL
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&q=Interlachen+Putnam+FL&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Interlachen,+FL&ei=FKC1Srr2M42IsgPV4u3RDA&ll=29.560057,-81.717682&spn=0.028594,0.046906&t=h&z=15
http://www.artharris.com/2009/09/19/putnam-county-pond-search-tied-to-haleigh-cummings-tips/#more-2957
As the article says, perhaps we’re not giving the men in blue enough credit. Thanks for your reply blink. To think, I’m the one who teaches my children to ask questions and not jump to conclusions so quickly. Another serving of humility :S
The source of the above Fox report: (quoted in part, below) http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/091909_New_search_for_Haleigh_Cummings
“FOX 35 News reported Friday that search crews and a surveillance helicopter were checking an area of Interlachen off U.S. Highway 19 in North Central Florida, where detectives found a field of marijuana.
WAWS TV had a crew which shadowed law enforcement agents throughout the afternoon Friday and inquired about whether there was a possible connection between the discovery of the marijuana field and ongoing search for missing Haleigh Cummings. …
Major Gary Bowling with the PCSO … did confirm on Friday evening that the small lake off U.S. Hwy 19 is being drained and a search of the area will be conducted over the weekend, and today officials admitted they were looking for the missing girl.
Earlier Friday, there were dive teams and special crews from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and St. Johns County Sheriff’s Office, but they insisted they were conducting training exercises, according to news sources.”
This ‘could’ be it: (detailed view same as above link but zoomed in on the pond)
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=safari&q=Interlachen+Putnam+FL&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Interlachen,+FL&ei=FKC1Srr2M42IsgPV4u3RDA&t=h&ll=29.561984,-81.703128&spn=0.003574,0.005863&z=18&iwloc=A
The ‘C’ shows up then the bottom tail of the ‘C’ curves upward, then curves down to enter the river at the little ‘bump’ on the shoreline. Not a long punt to the little lake, very very well hidden unless you know how to access it.
Seems like news reports are so varied right now, this could be a possibility.
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.tnv
Video of the search activity, (videographer credit at the end of the clip) dated Sept 18th.
Ok, if the info from Ms. Bauer is just wrong about the water link to the river etc, the ‘L’ shaped lake does appear to be in a ‘failed subdivision, some prior roads and indications of lot divisions. Is the “L” shaped lake (apparently the party place name) on River Avenue off 19 and is this definitely in the Mondex Subdivision? Definitely is the most noticeable ‘L’ in the whole area and it could be the right size– 5 acres.
the ‘L shaped lake on ‘River Ave’ is the best bet, although the smaller pond on the opposite side of 19 is also accessed by two parallel roads off Hwy 19, it would not be described as ‘off Stokes Landing Rd’ and is likely much smaller than 5 acres in size. I’d guess that road names in the rural Mondex, wouldn’t be so commonly used or known as the well developed Stokes Landing area.
” To improve access to the pond in the rural area off Stokes Landing Road, an access road was bulldozed into the woods off Florida 19. Neighbors said the pond is popular for fishing and accessible on a pair of narrow dirt roads. It is known locally as the L-Shaped Pond.”
Source Dana Treen, writer– http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-09-20/story/pond_drained_in_haleigh_investigation_0
Comment by NancyS — September 19, 2009 @ 4:59 pm
I am listening to putnam county police scanner and they did mention Timothy Croslins name and birthdate for some reason…
>> When a person is run through NCIC or the FL crime info center, all you need is a name and b’day. All names/b’days that match will be returned with the SSNs associated with them. How it’s done too when folks just cannot remember their SSNs (funny how often that occurs).
dddeerma…re #17, IF her bro is a convicted felon, he’s gonna be charge cuz he isn’t supposed to have one in his possession period. Not really BS, HAS to be more to it :>)
I pray they find this child one way or another. ANswers need to be found. Keep squeezing this family of losers of life. Squeeze them until they pop! This child did nothing wrong….No …..NO! child asks to be born…….For all that her father was…..he was a good father to her. I always felt this Misty knew the answer……..SQUEEZE!
blink, any word on what was found that was related to the case although Haleigh is yet to be found?
To this day I think Misty left that backdoor open for herself to get back in and out and to prevent being seen going in the front door in view of others….OR for whoever was over with her to do so freely and inconspicuously….
I’m also yearning to hear there’s been an ending to the search for Haleigh. If this “evidence” releates to Misty, she’s probably crack soon (hopefully).
We do know pot plants (’bout 100) were found growing on the edge of this pond. wonder if that too is related or a coincidence. I mean relate in that it was Misty or her brother’s plants??? Would make it a place they frequented.
Yes, it is related to her case, but no other official statement from LE.
B
# 20 JO, I know of your thoughts from another forum, and yes, you were right about Caylee and you said a long time ago where Haleigh would be found near 2 tall trees. I sure hope your tips were heard by LE. I know how hard you fought to have your tip be heard. You go girl, and don’t give up.
Blink,
I am so glad to see activity on this poor child’s case. It seemed as thought it just went off the radar for months. I was beginning to think that they had just given up on her.
It appears as though they may have suspected the brother for sometime and were just keeping an eye on him.
Sorry if this is a repost, found it this morning. Discusses voice-stress test on Misty providing questions and answers where possible.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=144098
Misty is all over the place and Lord…English is awfully rough, but proves she knows LE is aware of her gamee.
definitely two tall trees around that pond!
Hey JO,
I would be interested in knowing what your original thoughts were on this. I got a “tip” from someone I correspond with a while back. I did send it in once it looked like this case might be going cold. Just wondering if it is close to what you got or not. Thanks
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My request to Firefly:
I think you should not give up on trying to locate missing children. You were right on with the Sandra Cantu case. Anyone who gave you a hard time about that is crazy. I wish you would try on the Haleigh Cummings case. I would really like to know what your thoughts are on it.
First response from Firefly:
5/25/09
I think she was taken by someone she knew. Seems like she was in swimming trunks. The person who took her was a male who had given her a red doll, or stuffed animal. Like a red elephant or something. He had been hung up on her for a while. Probably never done anything this extreme before this, and has been very careful about hiding other things he might have done.
Second response from Firefly:
6/4/09
About the Hailey Cummings missing girl…whoever it is that took her that she knew…he owns two pieces of property, or has access to two pieces. One of them is nearer a lake. I think he buried her on this second piece of property. The land doesn’t border the lake though. So she is buried two or three yards away from this lake, probably on the eastern edge of the boundary line.
Or so I think.
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I have had personal experience with firefly, and she has been right on. Of course, nobody’s perfect! But, I do believe that there are people who truly have a gift. It’s just too bad there are so many “fakes” out there. They ruin it for the people who might actually be able to help.
If you care to share your thoughts, I would be interested to know.
Thank you!
Is it possible that, if Misty was partying earlier that night, that Haleigh could have been taken along? But then there is Jr, he could have said something to indicate that, unless he would just fall asleep and not fuss.
The Assoc. Content article linked above makes me wonder if Misty actually only left Haleigh’s little brother alone while he slept and took Haleigh WITH her to this ‘Notorious Party’ @ this L-shaped pond? Would explain the child’s bed never being slept in…would explain rumours Misty left the trailer that night…would also explain why Haleigh’s little brother heard someone with “squeaky shoes” had these shoes been in a wet area!!! Added up all of a sudden for me anyhow. Whatever happened to Haleigh I’m sure was already over with when Misty was dropped back off @ whatever time and the guest who came into the home may or may not have stayed long other than to help her set up a scenario?
http://www.wpbf.com/news/21012034/detail.html
‘A sheriff’s office spokesperson issued a statement saying divers did not find the little girl’s body’.
Has this been confirmed?
Kew, thanks!!– didn’t see your post until this morning– yes, that one must be it. The reported link via waterways to the Buffalo Bluffs side of the river as per Ms. Bauer’s statements couldn’t be possible for this pond or others near 19– of course that info was either wrong or misinterpreted. (the info may have just meant from one side of the river to the other, winding through those islands in the channel, not winding all the way to that pond!!)
jeez, I thought it was the child molesting cousin Joe who took her. Of course, the brother is the one who said Joe went to bed in his clothes that night instead of his boxers, and who wasn’t there when (Tim, I guess) said he woke up at 1 a.m., and who said the keys to the van had been moved and the van had a scratch on it. I guess the bro could be lying about all that.
I still think that there is a definite reason behind RC marrying her. Perhaps to keep her quiet…although she is def the catch of the year
kyrasmommy, as NG relentlessly points out, the mere fact ron and misty are married won’t protect them from testifying against each other under florida law (cause a child is involved), so I’m sticking with the statutory rape angle—it is legal in FL for a 23 year old to be schtupping a 16 or 17 y.o., , but he was 26 and she was 17, which is a felony. I am sure this came to his attention when the police and media came calling, and suddenly they were engaged and married just 28 days after haleigh went missing.
Florida
The age of consent in Florida is 18, but close in age exemptions exist. By law, the exception permits a person 23 years of age or younger to engage in legal sexual activity with a minor aged 16 or 17.
794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.– (1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
kyra’s mommy, I’m thinking he married to her keep the enemy close as he’s alluded to in the past.
mjh..on firefly saying Haleigh was in swim trunks, as kleat and I wondered about her being taken along, would make sense Misty had her in swim trunks. Do we know if Misty’s cousin is reported to have been at this party by the pond?
Thanks, Brenda in VA: didn’t know he was a convicted felon. The amount seems excessive to me, as does the response– the questioning of the other leading people in the case. Re-questioning Nay Nay Prevatt points back to Misty as the center of this new activity. It all just got my hinky meter going. That was what I meant: something else seems to be going on here. The Sheriff’s office actually lying for several days about the search is hinky-inciting too. Why should they bother? Regarding the difficulty of navigating the river: locals know where to go, how the current runs, etc. You would never catch me on the Miss. at night, but there are folks who love it. The professional fishermen go out before dawn every day.
What about the appearance of Greg Page photo under a different arrest and then changed back?
B
so does anyone know what was found
# 57
Suz,
Interesting post. I have never read any of that before. Do you have a link or idea where I can read/research more about these points. Verrrrrry interesting.
#54
Brenda in Virginia,
Enjoyed your comment. I have suspected that Misty:
1. Around 8:30pm fought with your boyfriend over the phone.
2. She left after she put the kids in “her” bed.
3. She left to party.
3b. She props the back door open so as not to wake the kids or be seen from the front of the house.
4. Later in the night Ronal calls and she doesn’t answer, after calling several times he calls two of Misty’s brothers looking for her.
5. Someone at the “their little get together” knows the children are home alone.
6. Someone with “squeeky” wet shoes enter and takes Haleigh.
7. Why did Misty call Timmy so often the “night” Haleigh goes missing.
8. I also read that dirty clothes were piled in the dryer. Hmmmmmmmm? A quick clean up? Easier to get in and out the back door? Hmmmmmmm……
Hi Brenda,
I was actually never sure what the swim trunks meant, as swim trunks are usually meant for a boy, not a girl. It just seemed to signify water to me. You could be right; I’m sure Misty could have taken her along. Of course, that would mean she left the little boy home all alone ?? Would somebody actually do that? I guess nothing should surprise me anymore.
Maybe, as Randie said, while Misty was out partying, someone who was there, who knew the children would be home alone, took the opportunity to go back to the house and take Haleigh. If he was someone she knew and trusted, she may have gone with him no problem. Of course, this is all just speculation. I really have no idea what really transpired that night. But, I’m sure Misty knows.
It really bugs the he** out of me that she is not telling the truth.
Also, I was hoping that firefly was “off” this time, and that Haleigh would be found alive somewhere. Maybe just wishful thinking? It has been quite a long time. But, I think we are all always hoping for a happy ending in these cases. Unfortunately, it seems that “happy endings” are very rare these days.
Hi everybody ! Special thx for Kleat - great info and maps
Now, one of the brothers is Timmy ; the other is Hank , the guy in trouble with the gun..It does seem to me that there would be a plea comming..Cannt wait to see what s going to come out of all this ? Any updates on the rest of the poeple who were held the other day?
Tried to pull some info about the White boy - Greg …nothing is comming up
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/23/haleigh-cummin…over-and-drugshaleigh-cummings-case-exclusive-misty-on-3-day-bender-with-lover-and-drugs/
Blink– WAY off topic (first, Phillip Paul, criminally insane killer taken on field trip to state fair is BACK IN CUSTODY tonite)
This is not for the forum, but I’ve kept seeing these Canadian Govt’ cheque ‘ads’ on your site and ScaredMonkeys. Dana Pretzer needs to check them out– just finished watching a Cdn documentary on this type of ‘kit’ fraud and so, for the first time ever, I decided to link to your ad. That took me to some guy’s site, then I linked one further, and it is the fraud site– well, the RCMP and the Cdn govt are aware and concerned. It links to NYC Voxcel who wouldn’talk to the documentary reporters, it also links to a call center giving an office location as California, and then it also goes to England, to an address that does not exist.
If you like, I’ll look up the doc webpage– I haven’t seen it before, it’s new, called 16:9 (sixteen by 9).
Those ads want people to sign up to get a ‘kit’, they have deceptive (according to govt and RCMP) practices and confusing ’small print’. People never get a kit, but they get billed on their credit cards with no hope of refund when they don’t get the product,
Not complaining– I’m not going to get caught on this scheme, but maybe Dana would like to check it out. Apparently ‘Grants Money’ used to have a photo of Cdn prime minister on their banner ad, but the gov’t didn’t like that so now it’s got the Toronto CN tower and a female photo instead.
As soon as I saw it was indeed, ‘Grants Money’, I got out of there fast. Apparently they have difficult to trace real addresses, several web addresses etc.
Want info if I find it on the documentary?
AGAIN not for posting as a comment– here is the info site on the documentary, it’s a ‘Global News’ (credible– very) site from Canada. http://news.globaltv.com/programs/16×9/index.html
“It’s the web site that claims to grant wishes, but many Canadians claim it’s just digital deception. 16:9 investigates the online operation that appeared to have the Prime Minister’s endorsement, but isn’t even run from this country! See who’s behind this mystery site, and why the grants it claims to provide are costing Canadians.”
Program video is there too. (maybe share with Dana?)
vidda, one of the local news sites said the water was drained and search was completed– how’s that for fast! I wouldn’t believe they can actually search 5 acres of muck visually and say it’s cleared just because the bottom can be seen. News reports were very confusing if you take the info literally! Have to wait and see, but we do know it’s the ‘L’ pond for sure now.
randie #65
listen to the voice analysis of misty conducted in august
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?playerId=newsmaker&maven_playlistId=6d956fb18503371af2eeca8d1349a6209a152994&maven_referrer=mrss&maven_referralPlaylistId=6d956fb18503371af2eeca8d1349a6209a152994&maven_referralObject=1231220760
it has tidbits like this:
(TJ Ward: …Let’s go back and talk about Tommy and Joe.)
OK. Joe is psycho. He has problems really bad problems he molested me when I was a little girl too. He’s molested my little cousin at five years old.
(TJ Ward: Do you have another brother named Joe?
Misty: Nope that’s my cousin.
TJ Ward: That’s your cousin? Misty: Yup. TJ Ward: Tell me about him.)
He’s crazy. He’s got mental problems. I’m telling you he’s got mental problems, and he’s got them bad. When he was down here, he was only down here for a couple of wee]ks…..and he come to visit everybody. He come to visit my family. And you know we didn’t think of anything, I know I would be safe because I’m around everybody. If I was by myself with him, then I wouldn’t be around him.
(TJ Ward: Tell me about the van.)
…my younger brother wakes up probably about maybe 12:30-1:00 in the morning. And he didn’t see Joe on his bed where he usually sleeps at. So he didn’t think anything, you know he thought maybe he was in the back bedroom using the phone like he always is talking on the phone. [So he went back to sleep. The next morning the van's moved in a different spot]. The keys are in a different spot…
…Joe usually sleeps in his boxers. He slept in his pants and sox and a shirt. [Then there's the big scratch on the side of the] van…
Misty Cummings:
I had, I’m mean just because of the scratch. I mean, why would there be any scratch? Why would there be, you know, why would the van be moved?
I went to um, [the Sheriff's office the next day to go talk to him]. Well Joe and my mom, they come and pick me up from the Sheriff’s office…
…and Joe was [scared to even come down there to get his stuff. As soon as immediately that this happened he wanted to leave State. He come and got him a ride out as soon as it happened.
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She also talks about a red truck her brother tim sold quickly after haleigh went missing.
misty under hypnosis also mentions an a.c. guy who was there that day
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?playerId=newsmaker&maven_playlistId=6d956fb18503371af2eeca8d1349a6209a152994&maven_referrer=mrss&maven_referralPlaylistId=6d956fb18503371af2eeca8d1349a6209a152994&maven_referralObject=1229749681
Has anyone else heard of the “Speculation” that a car was the “searching” target under the water and it was found???? So much speculation out there.
Also, all thru the day I can’t quite get out of my mind Misty and “taking the little girl with her” partying. Why would someone do this?
1. Misty had “alterior” motivs.
2. The little girl woke up (or had never gone to bed—- pumped up from pop and candy), and wanted to go with Misty when she realized she was leaving. Misty “bribes” her with more pop and candy to be quite and not to tell. This may seem strange but the whole scenario is strange.
Let’s say for argument sake she took her partying. So what could have happened??????
#1. Since Misty had alterior motives—-the child is gone.
#2. There was an accident, the child drowns.
#3. Misty is hapving fun, and when it is time to go home…..the child is missing—-abducted.
Well, in any scenario…….. if “I” was a 17 year old kid and any one of these happened I would never go home. I would run and run and run and never look back.
That is just one more reason I feel she left the children home alone in Misty’s bed, and when she returned from partying 2-2:30 am she sees the little girl is gone. She may have went to move her to her own little bed and realized she was “not” there. Sheer panic runs thru her blood. Remember “she” never called the police. Only Ronald did after he returned home from work.
Also in another post, someone brought to our attention that it is a 35 mile drive from trailer to pond, but it is “not” that far from water access from pond to trailer.
I would still like to know more about a van, keys and scratch on this van. It is my understanding k9 team hit at the water behind her home, I am of the opinion whatever happened to this baby, she was removed via boat.
B
What does anyone else know about a Mr. Moffit (spelling) writing Ronald out a check for 35,000.00???? Someting about the fact that if Ronald had the 35 thousand then he could locate his daughter or at least her where abouts. When a Mr. Moffitt heard about this he right away wrote him out a check. This is all new to me. Does anyone else know?????
And Ronald is not dumb if in reality he keeps his friends close but his enemies closer………………hmmmmmmmm……
Have to wonder if little Haleigh DID get out and accidentally drown behind the trailer there where the dogs hit and was brought by Misty and whoever helped her to this L-shaped pond to get rid of the evidence? So many possibilities and none of them very good.
#76 by Randie
Here is link talking about the $35,000.
http://www.bloggernews.net/122100
Blink, if Haleigh were removed by boat, clearly they didn’t end up by boat at the ‘L’ pond, but there are many other choices it seems, looking at that river. And why take her back to ‘land’, go by vehicle, that makes little sense if the idea were not to find evidence ever. And how to arrange a ‘boat’ after the fact only to cover up (whose boat, where normally kept, why brought to the scene) unless a boat was ‘convenient’, as if someone arrived by boat, or normally came and left the area by boat. Or the family had a boat moored somewhere nearby.
Easy access down lane areas to the river for sure.
Brenda, but Haleigh was afraid of the dark.
Kleat, I forgot about that. I fear the truth is going to be uglier than any of us imagine. With Misty being a victim of molestation herself…the victims DO tend to have an odd attachment to their violators in some cases. Makes me wonder why/who she’s truly covering for other than herself if that’s the case. I mean…if Melissa Huckabee can do what she did (another victim of molestation I am certain), what could Misty truly be capable of????
Anyone notice how Misty spoke about Haleigh at the start of her last stress test/polygraph? Her comment of Haleigh needing different set of clothes for the day– not in what Misty said, by her expressions and voice as she said Haleigh needed to wear different clothes. Just something in her attitude about Haleigh insisting she HAD to wear different clothes and they had to go all the way somewhere else to get that.
I wonder what happened to those particular clothes worn at school that day, and if that fueled a fight with Haleigh later that day, at least on the part of a disgruntled Misty, that carried over from morning.
And on the face of it, looking after other children as a sitter for a few hours would help the family income so why a fight about it when something might work out really well for a job for Misty? Unless those children wouldn’t be cared for properly– and possibly exposed to things and people they should not be exposed to.
reg 73 - Sue ..
Few things really bother me from this interview with MIsty .First - she is not making up any of the details for Joe thnat night - sleeping with clothes on ; scratches on the van and speedy leaving the states…I am not a cap in any capacity but I do think she says the truth about Joe …
Another thing linked to same cosin Joe - her mom was with her when she left the Police station..Misty said , he molested her as little girl..Why in the world is this idiot allowed again to get close to MIsty ? whats wrong with the whole picture - he kept visiting..I do have sons, no daughters but how about some parenting reflex here to protect your kid ?
sorry, I meant - her mom was with him - same Joe
Kleat, I have to wonder if Misty was simply jealous of the love Ron had for Haleigh? We can see Casey Anthony is all about her and Caylee was in the way. Same situation maybe? I’m beginning to wonder if the perp was none other than Misty herself and no one else other than her. Only difference is someone may have helped her dispose of evidence (like the body) where I’m sure Casey Anthony acted alone.
Man, my mind is coming up with some not so nice scenarios. If dogs hit on scent near the water/on the dock near the trailer, wonder if Misty drown Haleigh herself? Would also explain the need to dry clothes quickly. Lord, this is as bad as Caylee Anthony in wondering to much about the little child’s fate!
If Haleigh is gone then I would prefer to think that Misty was determined to get her fix so she drugged the children to sleep. That is the only way I could imagine the little one going to sleep at 8:00 after sleeping all morning and having an afternoon nap.
She could have left by 8:30, partied and been back by 11:00 or 12:00,
found out the child overdosed, and died in her sleep thereby releasing her bladder. This would account for the child wetting the bed (something she no longer did) and the switching of sleeping locations.
That is about as far as I have figured and is probably wrong but it’s the kindest death that I can imagine given the unsavory characters involved.
#82 by Kleat,
Kleat, I totally agree, I think the statement about the clothes is very telling!! Misty’s attitude about this was nasty at best, I didn’t like it one bit. She also repeated this word for word during her Hypnosis session with the same bad attitude, same facial expressions…obviously, Misty was not happy about this & I have to wonder was this the reason for the fight between Misty & Ron that night? When Misty was recalling what happened that morning before school about the clothes, I could see how annoyed she was after 7 months so I can only imagine how angry she must have been then. The fact that Ron would go to all the trouble to go to another town to get clothes before school when she had clothes to wear, sounds like he would do anything for his little girl & I see Misty being extremely jealous when talking about this…so I think this is huge & may have everything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance! I also wonder why this story didn’t come out before, is this the first time Misty’s told this story or did I miss something? I’m afraid Haleigh was in her way because she was daddy’s little girl & Misty couldn’t handle being 2nd.
Hopefully—-if Misty is right that some folks think they saw Haleigh being taken away in a red truck, and that her brother Timothy sold his red truck right after Haleigh went missing—the police have tracked down the truck and gone over it thoroughly, as it sounds like they did with the white van (again, based on what Misty said in that voice stress analysis tape).
I still don’t think that she had a direct hand in the kid’s disappearance (or perhaps I just hope she didn’t), but it sure seems like a relative of hers could have. Or a boyfriend, depending on what was going on at the trailer that led to the couch bouncing, as junior reported hearing along with the squeaking shoes.
Randie, while it’s true Misty didn’t call the police, she says she discovered Haleigh missing at 3 something and that Ron got home at 3:24, so she easily could have been frantically searching for 24 minutes (and inexplicably making the bed, if it’s true that Ron said it had not been slept in).
There are a whole bunch of things that don’t make good sense going on right now. There are folks who claim that White BOy Greg’s mug shot showed up on the Sheriff’s web site for a brief time this weekend, then disappeared. This whole pond thing is crazy: why drain a pond (huge expense) and then not do a real search? Why do a possibly destructive line search in the deep water: unless you have already found the major item you were searching for? TO me that says something was found earlier while they were denying it was a Haleigh related search. LE is not telling the family anything because the family is now clearly involved.(?) SPeculation abounds that the brother is in protective custody, as he was the recipient of the decapitated rat found in his mailbox a couple weeks ago. Regarding the dirty clothes in the dryer: was a laundry basket found in the trailer that first night? Don’t I remember a pile of clothes on the floor, too? It would be exactly the right size and shape to transport a 5 year old child… And yes, the tracking dogs followed a scent along a path that deadended at the river. What does anybody know about TIm Miller coming back soon to search the woods around the pond?
I can confirm the pic thing happened. I have the images. I did not post them as the reason for it is unconfirmed.
B
Caught a few minutes of Gramma Neves on NG tonight, and she wasn’t going for anyone telling her that Haleigh couldn’t have missed her brother knocking on the door, she had many excuses why tired 17 year old would have been sleeping at around 10 when someone was knocking on the door and no one answered. Neves would have none of the idea, that Haleigh could have heard that or been awake, as she had been up too much in recent nights to stay awake or be awakened by anyone at that time of night.
Then watching the http://blinkoncrime.com/category/haleigh-cummings/ ‘Snakes and Hogpens’ video, and did I notice wrong at the beginning, where Neves was not looking at Cobra Staubs as he spoke with her? Surely looked like she was not making any eye contact with him as he leaned against the door, she appeared to be facing the windshield, not looking to his direction.
Just strange and her taking off like that, but she apparently spent 4 hours wandering around those woods, but had not seen the children’s swings in that area because she ‘hadn’t been there before’. Then she was gone.
Why is she protecting Haleigh when this is her granddaughter, her SON’S daughter, who is missing??
…protecting ‘Misty’…. meant to write
Neves said the children would have more likely been wakened by someone knocking, not Misty. But if children were in the bed with Misty,why wouldn’t she be wakened by one or both of them, with banging on the door?
Per Misty
They went back to sleep after taking Haleigh to school until about noon, Ron picks up Haleigh because jr is napping at three something in the afternoon, and then kids go to sleep at 8 o’clock. What 4 year old goes to sleep at 8 after that schedule?
#92 kleat…I’m with you on that, Neves is suspicious, the way she defended misty from the start! Heck, on thee 911 call ron himself called misty out!
Am I missing something here? I must be way out of the loop. What knocking, what banging on a door??? And I still don’t understand where a van, keys and a scratch on the van info is.
Blink:
If the child was “carried” to the waterline from the back door — would a K-9 still pick of the child scent? Or does the child have to “walk” on the ground to the waterline for the dog to pick up her scent?????
Suz, I agree with you that once Misty realized Haleigh was missing she franticaly looked for her. Maybe as said before Misty (being a teen) didn’t have the common sense to call 911. Or………maybe she felt the culprit would return Haleigh and she just sat it out.
I watched the video on NG tonight and DID see a laundry basket full of clothes? it is next to a dresser.
I didnt save the link however but if it is important I can try to find it and post it?
I do believe that they found some type of evidence also to empty this pond.
I was wondering myself about Tommy saying he went to Rons house to check to see if Misty was there and was wondering why this just NOW came up? and I am also wondering if Ron’s lawyer is telling the truth?
I guess I am losing my liar radar or something just isn’t right here.
I am REALLY wanting to believe that this grandma is nothing like KCs mom and I hope she is Sure in defending Misty.
I believe that only a few believe that I do believe that Misty left and someone did take Haleigh like in a SO and she just don’t want to tell Ron that she was not home.
I don’t think Misty is close to KC in her master manipulation techniques but heck maybe it is a copy cat case? who knows at this point?
Just an opinion but I have always felt that Misty is telling the truth concerning her account of that night. Her brother put himself at the “right time and place”, the mobile home where Haleigh disappeared from. Now, why would he do that? He would have to be telling the truth about going over there that night. I believe Misty really was exhausted that night and was sleeping really hard. I also believe that one or two people came to the mobile home and possibly Haleigh answered the door. Somehow, that night…someone or somebody took her. Misty’s brother knew from Ron’s phone call that Misty wasn’t answering the phone. I think he went over there that night, either by himself or with one other person and took that child. I really do…WHO WOULD PUT THEMSELVES AT THE SCENE OF THE CRIME AT THAT TIME, IF IT WASN’T TRUE? My common sense tells me she was taken from her home. I think Misty’s brother is very SUSPISCIOUS!
Man oh man I need to read NG transcripts beforeeeeeee I post. Also I did manage to find a little something on a blue van and a scratch but it was a small article. But, am still curious on the dog picking up the child’s scent at the waterline…(being carried or would she have to walk herself)….?
Kleat, Ms. Neves has a case of Scamanthonyitist or is it Denialitist?
Latest update from thelocals. Misty’s brother said nobody was home when he went to check on Misty few hours before Haleigh was reported…
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/22/news/news01.txt
Not water
This is a big developement. Did I hear somebody say that NayNay Prevatt is also in jail on unrelated charges? Maybe jail is the safest place to be down in Samsuta where all the snakes seem to wriggling around these days. It is being reported that Misty has left town with a girlfriend for a few days at the beach…LE is said to know where she is, but does Ron? I am still bothered by this pond search. Could Tommy Croslyn have already been polygraphed? It is also strange that LE would let loose this information about Misty being probably gone at 10 pm. I did notice the weasel words Ron’s lawyer was making last night. If Ron was searching for Misty, his phone records must show it. It was silly to suggest that pounding on the door that is only a few feet from the bed wouldn’t wake someone. Why is grandma Neves so eager to cover up the lies Misty and Ron have been telling? I should have said that the snakes are squirming. And I think grandma and Ron are two of ‘em.
As I was following Blink so closely on Saturday and Sunday….I was checking the local news stations too. I wish I had posted a link to the story I found when I read it…..didn’t think much of it at the time though. Someone told the local news station that the saw a vehicle being hauled out of the area on a flatbed truck. Geesh…had not heard anything about a red truck until reading blink yesterday and this morning. Could it be the red truck that Timmy supposedly sold….hence, the search at the body of water not taking any longer than it did……..hmmmmmmm!
Maybe search of L-pond was related to Haliegh in that those responsible for her disappearance (or those privy to what occurred…or can confirm where Misty was that night) are the same responsible for the little pot growning operation found? If so, this does provide LE reason to arrest and hold at least someone and in turn gives them opportunity for tough questioning. Also gives time for the person to blab to other inmates or attempt some plea barganing in return for statements?? I seriously doubt with the amt of money this case will continue to cost that LE is willing to waste funds, you know?
That’s right boo…just same as Cindy Anthony asked Casey “what did you do?” in the 911 call re: Caylee.
another reason I think Misty’s cell phone was turned OFF the night Haleigh went missing is cuz she’s not totally dumb. Has to know about Casey Anthony’s cell being tracked and didn’t want her tracks followed. JMO….
Last post for a while (maybe ;>)…but this red truck. Could it be Misty piled BOTH kids in and went in that mode to the party? The young boy could easily have stayed asleep in a carseat in the truck and Haleigh…who knows? Up and about mingling? Made to stay in and behave???? Could LE be looking for evidence simply the kids were in that vehicle…not necessarily it was used only during the coverup…or for the coverup at all??? May be this person simply saw something of great significance.
Thanks Nancy. I think the NG video was taken a couple of weeks after Haleigh disappeared. I just was thinking of dirty clothes in the dryer.
FWIW: LE says that the red truck on the flatbed had no relation to them or their search. After the last week, who knows if that is accurate or a “mistruth”?
I can’t believe that LE would spend the bucks on enlarging the dirt road and emptying the pond without some assurance that the tip was valid. Tommy Croslin does not seem as big a liar as Misty has been, and really, LE has directly stated that Misty is not giving them accurate information. Dollars to donuts: he has been polygraphed if he offered up anything useful to the investigation. He had already been threatened: Ron doesn’t gift just any old brother with decapitated rats. Why?
I also don’t find it hard to believe that at first, Misty’s family were willing to lie for her, if she was insisting to all that she was not involved. Family loyalty goes a long ways, but there are limits. If Ron’s history of threats and violence are to be believed, then it is not difficult to see why all those around him were avoiding making public statements. They would fear for themselves and also for Misty. However, after all these months, Misty looks like the center of the whole thing. I think she was gone from the trailer but tried to beat him home that night. We know they had been arguing for days about her taking off with her friends. That night was the first chance she had to escape for awhile. I know, that doesn’t tell us anything about what happened to Haleigh. Misty needs to come clean, as even her once loyal family are beginning to think she may have done something. There is a difference between knowing more than she is telling and having done something herself to that child. Time to ‘fess up or get ready for some jail time.
Ok..so much for last post from me (slow @ work today :>). Anyhoo…here’s a post from another site that I found interesting because it mentions a hit on a dumpster and the fact Misty called her brother before calling 911. Is that true??? If so, how long before she called 911???
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http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/haleigh_cummings_a_reader_chim.php
Posted 09/11/2009 at 02:45:42 PM
Jessica said:
TARA- I agree with you, I do not believe the father was involved. I do however feel that he holds some responsibility and so does his mother. He should have never allowed a 17 year old girl to be the primary care giver for his children, especially over the night. His mother also lied to CPS when they were called in because of allegations of child abuse. It is my understanding that she told them she was the caregiver for the children. I feel sorry for both of them and I am sure they would change things if they could but now, it is too late.
I also wondered if perhaps the little girl woke up to a party scene. There have been reports that Ron and Misty had an earlier argument because of her infedelity. Makes you question if perhaps Haleigh saw something and Misty thought she would tell on her, and that Ronald would put her on the road again.
I also wonder if the bed wetting triggered something that went too far. She sure did make a point to explain about the laundry. Perhaps you are right, and she then called someone to come and help her hide the crime. I think she put little Haleigh in that dumpster, the one that the dogs hit on. I believe she put her there, and that then one of her other boyfriends or perhaps her brother moved the body before it was searched. I think that is why cell phone records show her calling her brother before she called police.
Re my post 91, Ms. Neves’s chat with Nancy Grace last nite is now on video clip– you can see how resistant she is to the idea that Misty was not home:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/09/22/ng.brother.home.cnn
Does anybody know if these calls to Misty were to a house landline phone or a cell phone? Does Misty have a cell phone? I am tending to agree with Brenda from VA about the dumpster: I read somewhere else that the dumpster is very near where Ron used to live. If Misty was complaining about having to care for the little kids, if she would rather have been with her party people friends, it makes an attack of anger towards bedwetting or some small sin seem possible. Again, why is Teresa Neves so determined to make Misty seem respectable, when Misty clearly isn’t?
re: the dumpster hits, I’ve read that cadaver dogs often hit on dumpsters because of the many things that are decomposing, kind of like how the new haven police said the cadaver dogs could not find Annie Le’s body right away because of all the animal smells.
Not saying this what happened, but am i the only one who wonders about a jailhouse confession of someone in police custody? Like you get threatened a whole bunch (or worse by LE) and suddenly remember some (potentially) incriminating evidence?
Of course, this was the “good” brother that ron and misty like, so i dunno.
breaking news!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-misty-092209,0,1827084.story
Will be interesting to know if the confirmation of Ron’s calls that night, also confirms a call to Hank which will confirm the likelihood that he asked Hank to go check at the house. It’s reasonable that the many confirmed calls to his house went unanswered and that the reason he called someone else, was for help to have someone actually go to the house.
Misty’s lawyer and Ms. Neves can argue all they want that this proves nothing, that even if Hank went to the house, it proves nothing about people not being home. Maybe– but it’s common sense that Ron called and was concerned enough to call repeatedly, then he sought some help as he could not get home himself.
Misty’s lawyer will say Hank’s just getting back at Misty for being accused by Misty of things in her last Tim Miller polygraph. But remember Misty was being tested– was she being deceptive when she accused Hank? Maybe she was.
headline tonight on NG– speculates that Misty skipped town (??). Is NG actually bringing up ‘breaking’ news on the day it happens in these cases in the news for awhile?? there’s a change….
Blink….I am wandering because I don’t see anything about this .Foxorlando has on their site that Misty was under hypnosis and said that Haleigh was near a rose.that’s when all the searches started and she left to go to the beach with a friend.Why has this not come up..fox 35 news reported this …just asking?
It has been linked extensively on here about the pseudo hypnosis et al.
Allegedly she went to the beach this past weekend, yes.
B
Is there a particular reason why this Haleigh Cummings info is under the Caylee (darling) Anthony heading?
I dont understand your question, it is not.
B
Blink, I think kiwibird is saying that if you use the ‘categories’ menu over at the left, and for instance click on Christine Sheddy, it pulls up all your Christine Sheddy stories, but if you click on Caylee Anthony, you get the newest Haleigh story on top, and if you click on Haleigh, that also has some Caylee stories mixed in.
Everytime (not just today)I click on the heading of the Caylee/Casey Anthony section it takes me straight to this page with this Haleigh Cummings article at the top?
no idea, I checked the categories, it is not listed that way for me, glitch? I will advise techies.
B
Maybe Misty did not want to answer the door at 10 o’clock at night the night her brother came to the house. It wouldn’t be the first time someone didn’t want to be bothered. Now - on the other hand, if Misty did not reveal this bit of info to the authorities during her many hours of questioning by police, then I would wonder why she didn’t. Maybe she wasn’t home? hmmmmmm
Blink-
I thought you set it up that way on purpose. On top of the Caylee site is listed the last section for Haleigh and then the next section is for Caylee and the third is for Chistine Sheddy. I thought you set it up that way on purpose- that is why I never said anything.
I believe it is a blogjet vs. Wordpress bug, but thanks all, we got it.
B
Did anyone notice that while Misty was under hypnosis she was asked why she woke up at about three o’clock and she said she did not know. I thought she had to use the bathroom.
So it looks like things might be “heating” up with this case. Art is saying that White Boy Greg has been arrested
http://www.artharris.com
he was, but bonded out. Drug related to the “find”. He has been cleared of any involvement in Haleigh’s disappearance.
B
Misty also said while under hypnosis that Haleigh can be found near the “rose”.
LOL I’m sorry is “the rose” close to Caseys “close to home”?
These two case are starting to look like vines intertwining to me….
well at least Misty has a legitimate script to follow?(KCS}… hehe sorry I must be getting tired and bored with all the IGNORANCE?
This reminds me of my once little boys trying to convince me that they have “no idea” how that window got broke? lol
It sure in the heck didnt take me months or even days to get to the bottom of the TRUTH!!!!!
http://www.artharris.com/
More good stories……looks like the dominos are starting to fall!
OK, FOR THE RECORD, GREG PAGE IS NOT A NICE GUY, HE IS A DRUG DEALER, HE SPENT THE WEEKEND PRIOR TO MISTY GOING BACK TO RON WITH HER DOING DRUGS. HE HAS AN IRON CLAD ALIBIS AND HE PASSED NUMEROUS FBI POLYGRAPHS AS I BROKE EXCLUSIVELY MONTHS AGO.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/23/haleigh-cummin…over-and-drugshaleigh-cummings-case-exclusive-misty-on-3-day-bender-with-lover-and-drugs/
I am NOT Yelling at Granmomma, I am yelling at Nay Nay , Misty, Lindsay and Hank who KNOW WHERE SHE IS. I do belive this case is on it’s way to being solved. God Bless little Haleigh
B
Blink have you heard the latest on this sad sad case?? About a letter and Art Harris?
Well don’t bother posting my post then please.
But I like to see you anyway. I think I was having a moment that these dregs are playing games while this baby is out there. I hope I did not offend
B
Is anybody still on this topic? Art Harris is saying that Ron made 20 calls to Misty the night that Haleigh disappeared. Also reporting a letter from the jailed Nay Nay that claims another inmate is claiming Haleigh overdosed on Oxys and WBG disposed of her body. ??? Is it at all possible that the polygraphers did not ask quite the right questions of Greg? I am just hoping that all these arrests mean that something is going move forward here. Also, could LE be lying about who did and did not pass polygraphs? What with Misty’s whiney little girl abused act, I could see any of half a dozen people helping her get rid of poor Haleigh. She already has grandma Neves and Ron literally lying for her, when they have to know better.
I have those moments too.. Specially when it deals these little babies that don’t stand a chance in this world. It sickens me to the core..
Not offended.. Just didn’t want to add to the obvious anger..
Thanks friend, your right. I believe I posted long ago that I was sick of people saying “How could this happen?” I think people should be saying with the enviornment these babies were exposed to, I was wondering how it took so long. Breaks my heart. The contrast and irony between 2 cases of little girls whose names rhyme has always made me want to live in a bubble from now on.
B
http://www.wesh.com/news/21099550/detail.html
Blink any news on this letter discussed on NG last night and now being posted on WESH News Site. Does anyone know if Misty is back in town, looks like the heat is on.
Can we finally get some answers for this little girls family. And bring this Angel home.
When Caylee was first “missing” LE knew of course quickly that CA was lying and had her arrested for at “least child neglect and giving false statemeents to LE”, why hasn’t the same happened to Misty at least to put the squeeze on, hasn’t she lied and neglected this child? Help me understand please!
You cannot force someone to implicate themself. That situation is about as dangerous as they come.
B
I can
Whereever Misty has retreated to (out of state you can bet if she had the means), she did it AFTER publicly railing against Tim Miller as she was tricked, he wouldn’t allow her to use her cell phone etc etc.
You’d think sometime soon, Tim MIller will have to stop looking for people’s babies who have disappeared under suspicious circumstances– this, on top of Casey, Cindy and George, must be a bit much.
The letter– no wonder police were saying that the pond draining was a ‘training exercise’. ‘Supposedly freaked out’??? What does that mean?? ‘Supposedly’ as ‘they’ don’t remember being upset and scared about the little girl? Or scared that she’d have to just die because no one would want to go for help in ‘their condition’?
Makes no sense… ‘we supposedly freaked out’ so no one is responsible if they can’t remember?
DDDERMA
in that respect the lying and enabling by rons mother and ron are so eeery similar tho the anthony case cindee and her entourage of liars.misty doesnt have the ability to hold it together like casey without eventualy breaking down.. I expect a total melttow in the near future. the truth will come out yes yes yes.
Is information obtained while under “hypnosis” admissible? I cant help but think that this is an attempt to say that if MC was withholding any information it was because she didn’t remember or blocked it out subconsciously. So when they find Haleigh, which they will because there is no way these morons can outsmart the cops, they will argue in court that she had a lapse in memory… or some other scientific excuse for the simple fact that they are all a cancer to our society. ALL OF THEM, mom, dad, grandmom, anyone who knew the environment this child and her brother were succumb to. They neglected, abused and who knows what else they did to an innocent child whose only mistake was that she was simply born to the wrong people. I keep hearing the words of Jr who said, the couch was bouncing…TPT period!
Kleat
From my understanding she is saying supposedly because she is saying in her letter that she was not there and that the confession from the other guy is “supposedly” what happened..
Hi Blink, you needn’t explain your frustration. I share your sentiments exactly. I realize Ron Cummings is a grieving father, but I really want to know WHY, after his 17 year old girlfriend/babysitter spent the previous weekend on a binge with a scumbag/drug dealer, that he continued to entrust the care of his children to the untrustworthy Misty Croslin? Would you leave your children in the care of someone you knew was a druggie and associated with criminals? I sure as hell wouldn’t. And why Haleigh’s biological mother knew little to nothing about how her children spent their days. She didn’t even know what time Haleigh got home from school or how she got home. Then this horrible tragedy happens and the two grieving parents are all over TV boohooing and crying poor, pitiful us. WHY THE HELL WEREN’T THEY MORE RESPONSIBLE IN THE CARE & SAFETY OF THEIR CHILDREN???? These parents dropped the ball and little 5 year old, innocent Haleigh paid for their mistakes and neglect. It p*sses me off!
loca, go to the cnn.com slash nancygrace and listen to the latest interview with Ms. Neves– she’s not lying, she’s having a hard time coming to grips but she didn’t repeat that Misty may have been asleep when Hank went to the home on behalf of Ron.
Sounds to me Nay Nay’s letter is trying harder to convince her boyriend that they were together the night Haleigh disappeared than she was trying to get him to send money:
“…where you know I was at your house….”
“You know I was with you that night!”
tsk tsk… doesn’t look good.
Now Misty has ditched and gone awol… doesn’t look good.
Has it been documented anywhere if Tommy’s fingerprints were on the front door/doorknob? If they were found……he would have to explain why they were there.
I had once read that it was Ron’s Uncle that Misty had been messing arond with before Haleigh went missing. Has that been debunked? If it hasn’t……..could that be why Neves (Ron’s Mom) is so hyped on protecting Misty. I mean, could she really be protecting her own brother?
warrant for Misty’s mother’s arrest, who is apparently in TN now (NG reports tonite)
what a freakin mess is ALL I have to say?
How can she be under arrest and on NG? this new guy in satsuma sure has this brew stirred up!
NancyS, Ms. Neves, Ronald’s mother, was on NG. She is not wanted for anything, it’s Misty’s mother in TN that Florida wants to get back.
(my post was easily misread– the ‘report about Misty’s mother’ was on NG tonight, not her mother)
They are saying that a witness has come forth saying that Haleigh OD’d on Oxycontin, and her body was dumped. Is this why MC skipped town? MC’s mom has a warrant for her arrest… The bro in jail, the mom on her way and MC going to the beach…”I’ll have the cooked goose please”
Lordy I pray.
B
Warrant out for her arrest……http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/09/24/ng.haleigh.sitter.mother.cnn?iref=videosearch
Okay, I’ve had enough of these lies. Let’s waterboard Misty and get the truth out of her. Take the damn gloves off and let’s get to the bottom of this case. It is so hard to witness the excruiciating emotional pain of Grandmother Neves. I want justice for Haleigh and those who truly love her.
FairWitness,
I totally agree with you. And, it seems that there are far too many children in these types of situations. Which means, unfortunately, Haleigh will not be the last child to suffer due to irresponsible parents.
Perhaps Ron felt that he had no choice but to leave Misty with the children so that he could work and support them. However, I wonder why he picked a “child” in the first place as a girlfriend. It would seem he could find someone a little bit older and more mature. He may be a grieving father, but in my opinion, he has made some pretty poor choices all around.
I also cannot understand why any mother of two small children would move so far away from them in the first place. I would think most parents would want to be as close to their children as possible — especially when they are so young. You would think a mother would want to be a part of her children’s lives as much as possible — whether she has custody of them or not.
I try not to judge other people too harshly, as I am not in their shoes. But, I just don’t understand this at all.
I just hope that the little boy is being taken care of by someone a little more responsible at this time.
I think the police are withholding alot here. If they thought the letter was a farce then why did they drain the pond in the area mentioned in the letter? Anything they found (besides Haleigh of course) will not be divulged to the public, I think it would jeopardize the entire investigation. I cant help but feel they are oh so close…God bless Haleigh
#140 FairWitness - My sentiments exactly
kyrasmommy,
I don’t think they drained the pond due to Nay Nay’s letter. It was was due to the “affidavit” that another party signed. Nay Nay in her letter to her boyfriend is trying to “refute” what is in the signed affidavit. After reading NG transcripts, it is slightly misleading. They make it sound like it was the “letter” to Nay Nay’s boyfriend that broke the case. Not so. But, this woman does seem to go out of her way to try to convince her boyfriend they were together. hmmmmm…..
I wish Blink was not right ,but I believe shes gone,Misty has known all along what happened,as her family members..but I see fire over and over again…oh and I’m not a witch.
Lol, with the witch stuff. I definately am, ask around
See ya at the cauldron, I mean, water cooler.
Fondly,
B
Randie, yes I agree like “wink wink…I was with you” and would you really put that down on paper? not unless you “accidentally” want it to be found. These people are morons. Dont they read Blink??
Now it’s being reported that a mystery woman dropped off a letter at a Newspaper saying what happened to Haleigh. There is a video of the woman and police want to talk to her. The police are testing the letter and envelope for finger prints.
oh my gosh peeps am I ever going to live the witch comment down, give a girl a break
TEASING!!!!! I was being self depricating.. It’s all good we are all friends here.
B
Thank you Shaefor the info.
Watched the video of the woman dropping off the letter. Hope someone comes forward and identifies her! The gentleman who turned the original letter over to police said that if the letter is accurate it is going to be volatile. Closer to closer????
hahaha thanks blink it is all good on my end. it gave me a chuckle! I have to laugh at it I didn’t really think it would spin folks up!
Q: If The woman “wanted” to remain identified, why not just mail the letter? She personally handed the letter with all her fingerprints.
Q: Why not just take the letter to the police station? Maybe that would be information underwraps for awhile. At least by going to the Newspaper…..the info would imediately come out. It sounds like either someone wants this to end or a stunt. hmmmmm………
where is the link to the video of the woman dropping off the letter HELP me please…thanks!
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=145604&catid=3
story of woman w/ letter
dee,
Google it, just type in Haleigh’s name the word “woman” and the word “newspaper”. Almost each site has the video.
Maybe the woman was on her way to work, dropped it off for someone else, didn’t know what she was dropping off, or didn’t want to be held up all day in police questioning when she could be at work. OR, maybe she figured that the newspaper would publish first, give their source to the police, later. She was rather obvious, except for the sunglasses, which weren’t a huge disguise. Those scrubs would give her away– talk about a blue billboard!
SHOCKING– not for any contents, but does this editor display good common sense, caring for Haleigh, and ETHICS??!! Good for him… let’s see CBS, ABC or NBC national media display this level of professionalism to act responsibly.
“Prior said he cannot reveal what the letter says because it could hurt the Haleigh Cummings investigation.
However, Prior said at some point, he would like to reveal the details in a newspaper article.”
(link in Angela_nw’s post above)
Did anyone notice that on the left of the woman’s top, was a NAMETAG?? Which seemed to be pinned on type, which would likely have the name of the facility she works at, if not her own name.
Do you also notice the ‘way’ the woman held the envelope? Held not on the flat sides, but held between fingers touching the ‘edges’ only. Hard to get a match of prints from her carrying it as seen on that video. Maybe others, but typed letter, bet it’s clean of prints. Typewriter or computer, typical paper, or specialty use, from work maybe, or home, watermarked or not.
All that trouble (not?) and she does not seem to worry about entering by pulling the door handle with a bare hand.
thanks Angela!
I too noticed the nametag and am assuming it will be examine a wholelot more closely.
But I never noticed how it was handed to the receptionist before. I wonder if anyone else touched the door handle after this woman? Maybe some time lapsed between Prior opening it to the actually dusting the handle………………..
Can I throw someting stupid out there? Could it be……a man dressed like a woman? Sorry don’t mean to be so stupid.
Kleat #145
I thought I had seen someone type that Mistys mom was on NG and I didnt watch it so didnt see it was Rons mom.
I guess someone is getting confused with moms and I got confused as well?….lol
I think I have them all down and they add another….
This is really starting to look like the Satsuma version of the ANthony case!
But at least these people had KCs script to follow….
Kc must be proud…. sorry thats all I will say
Here’s hoping the contents of the new letter are made public soon. It is so good that there is serious movement here, but the waiting is hard. More and more I think this will end up as a horrific accident, with Misty not wanting to confess to her sometimes violent husband/bf that Haleigh died. That explains Misty leaving Ron just as all this heats up. I would not want to be living with Ron when NG puts it out to the entire world that he has been duped by a mentally slow little girl.
Of course, if this new letter means that there is a chance that Haleigh is alive, it is going to be happy dance time for all of us. SO here we are: waiting and wondering somemore.
Nancy, I think it was my post that was confuddling– I did see Ron’s mom on NG, but I didn’t post carefully enough about Misty’s mom, was confusing. Sorry.
Go back to the firstcoast news site (linked in Angela’s post) and see the update:
Quote:
“ST. AUGUSTINE, FL — Detectives say they have spoken with the woman who dropped off a letter in St. Augustine last week about Haleigh Cummings.
According to Capt. Dick Schauland with the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, she learned that detectives wanted to speak with her, so she came by the office voluntarily.
Detectives are not releasing the woman’s name or the contents of the letter, but they say she told them she was dropping it off for someone else.”
More info: (source news4jax.com)
“It has to do with the whereabouts of Haleigh,” Putnam County Capt. Dick Schaulan said, and they wanted to talked to the woman to clarify the information. “If it doesn’t find Haleigh, it goes in the stack with a lot of the other tips.”
all i can say after seeing this video, is thank God someone had enough common sense to do right by this child, don’t know how much this will help but at least finally someone did the right thing she/he whatever is a hero in my book.
local news (i am in jacksonville) is saying the “tipster” has voluntarily come forward & said she was delivering the letter for someone else.
police are saying the letter does not point fingers but does explain what happened to haleigh, if it’s legitimate. and they will not reveal the contents of the tip.
The Gainesville Sun is reporting that the woman came forward and talked to LE today. Maybe there is something to it, I hope it’s legit and they find this baby!!
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090925/ARTICLES/909259962/1002?Title=Woman-who-dropped-off-letter-with-Haleigh-Cummings-tip-comes-forward
wesh has a video up, but it won’t work– the ad does though! Anyone see it? Maybe something’s wrong with my computer recieving some but not all videos. Strange.
um Dee? you didnt spin me up,it was an attempt at humour (my last sentence),Blink knows that,I hope, if it makes you feel all warm and safe inside to call tarot readers and the like witches its all good,But I think the point of this forum is to share ideas,and thoughts,and try and make some kind of sense of things and hopefully make a difference I hope your cool with that.
Friend, she was referring to my “lighthearted” post , she has clarified and apologized for the witch comment, I am the one who made it about me, with affection. I so VALUE all respectful viewpoints. You and she and US are all cool with it. Please don’t take my flagrant love of Halloween away from me, it is my fave and really the only repsite I may get till then.
Fondly,
B
Kleat, I couldnt run the clip on Wesh either ..its not your PC
Check this out from mid afternoon- Hank Croslin Jr - out of jail,his mom -in…
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/25/news/news01.txt
Blink did u see the picture of the Nurse..does she look familiar? a old poster on ws..
On the woman and the letter thing, I was reading on the Orlando Sent. online that the editor, Mr. Prior, actually showed the letter to RON and his LAWYERS and together THEY took it to the police.
Something interesting there. Makes you wonder what exactly IS in that letter even more.
I admire Mr. Prior for not releasing the information just yet for not wanting to hinder the investigation, guess we will just have to wait and see what is going to happen now.
The heat is really turned up now! Hopefully Haleigh will come home soon!
Oh Blink - surely you are aware of what’s going on with Haleigh - windchime - and the video of the woman dropping off the ‘volatile’ letter at the newspaper? If not - - - please visit scaredmonkeys. Unbelievable.
Lordy. Klaasend runs the tightest of ships, I have no fear, will check it out
( Blink askeered a little)
B
seems to me that someone who’s acting as a courier, like this woman dressed in scrubs has done, may be delivering something typed at a law office. possibly from misty’s attorney’s office, delivered in such a way not to directly implicate misty?? that’s what i’m thinking right now.
consider that ron & this crew of drugged-up misfits probably don’t own a computer or know how to use one!!! (although i could be wrong)…consider that misty is ‘with a friend’ in some hotel in orlando/kissimmee…the same period of time that the pond is drained, misty fights with ron & runs off to the beach & disneyland area with the press & LE chasing her, naynay’s letter is disclosed, her mother’s arrested out-of-state, has a high bond, and gave her a vote of ‘no confidence’ before leaving the state, and now this “mystery letter.”
i would think that even misty (and she seems street-wise among other things) would turn to her attorney at this time, since she had failed to re:Tim Miller polygraph episode and perhaps learned a lesson. (is misty still represented by counsel? wouldn’t her attorney know what her status is and is sequestering her??)
i could be wrong about her attorney’s involvement at this point in the case, but it sure is interesting that she’s out of town, the typewritten letter providing possibly key information develops, and is delivered by someone who could be a “friend of a friend of the firm” sort of thing. it’s too sophisticated for what we’ve come to know as “normal operating procedures” for this particular group of ppl. jmho.
I believe it was JVM who said that Ron threw Misty out along with her clothes and told her never to return–everyone here seems to think she left on her own, anyone know the real story?
whew. unbelievable if the windchime thing turns out to be legit . . . if it is indeed true . . . LE has egg on their faces big time.
Please tell me what the “windchime” thing is, Im lost over here.
thanx
lol, that windchime thing is as good as my personal theory, which is that Misty (who was reportedly in Orlando yesterday) was visiting the Anthonys, and that Casey is the one who sent the tip in through a nurse friend of Cindy’s. Just kidding of course, but who knew the truth might also be odd.
I couldn’t find anything about a windchime. Can you fill us in? Also- Ron is supposed to be meeting up with Misty at Universal. That is where Misty has been staying. Her attorney said she left to rest and “clear her head”. Refraining from using drugs would be my first suggestion to her on how to do that!
Windchime, aka Terry Stipp, was the outed RSO who was the admin at Websleuths for many years. That’s all I know. On Scared Monkeys, they are/were discussing if the woman who dropped off “the tip” was her.
B
Gotcha! Thanks Blink!
Oh my…if that was really Windchime then her wanting to dodge the cameras and fast makes allllllllll kind of sense now.
Lily - no egg on the faces of LE for this one, but serious trouble for Terri if it was indeed her.
good lord, now both tot mom cases have a Universal connection? That is so odd, considering Ron had enough sense to distance himself from the Ants when they offered to help. Does Misty have an office there, too? Truth is stranger than fiction.
Thanks for that Blink. I actually went to scared monkeys and entered windchimes in the search box. LoL
I sure hope this letter is not a psychic connection and the three letters as a possible ’signature line’ are not G.M.L.
Posts haven’t come up for awhile so I am guessing that someone is alrady commenting about Ron seeing the letter…….I personally don’t see anything wrong with that, whith the exception if you are going to bring the father over with his atty then it is just to bring over Crystal and her atty. Both parents should have been given the letter to read at the same time.
Question……. What was Haleigh’s brother doing while she was supposidly at a party w/Misty? The new theory seems to point in the direction that Haleigh was killed somewhere else and her body dumped yet the brother was able to give details of what he “heard” or saw from within his own home. I doubt that someone that age would just make up lies.
#185 - lily - Can you provide the link for scared monkeys/klaasend article on latest Haleigh/windchime? I cannot find a current article on Scared Monkeys that up dates the letter. Thanks
I am wondering why we haven’t heard anything since this letter, it seems that someone would see some type of search activity going on.
I think that windchime has moved into Rons old trailer if this woman is in fact windchime… just strange and now this letter.
and no media down there.
we got so spoiled with 24/7 Fox cameras outside of the Anthonys I have grown to expect it!… lol
Oh well, the quiet before the storm?
Nay Nay gets paid to talk on geraldo tonight, 10 pm ET
http://www.artharris.com/
Good Evening,
Did they ever find Chad Reynolds? (see link below)
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/02/15/missing-haleigh-cummings-connection-chad-eugene-reynolds-sex-offender-missing-since-february-4-2009-from-ochlawaha-fl/#more-6626
#191–Blink Response
Windchime, aka Terry Stipp, was the outed RSO who was the admin at Websleuths for many years. That’s all I know. On Scared Monkeys, they are/were discussing if the woman who dropped off “the tip” was her.
B
Blink, what is the link on Scared Monkeys were this was being discussed?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6184.320
B
what about Amber Brooks? Why WHy doesnt Nancy Grace consider her? She had her mom beat the crap out of Misty!!How come no one talks about the possibility of Amber Brooks hurting Haleigh with the help of Nay Nay to set up Misty to get Ron back??? I think they drugged Haleigh and Misty at the party and got Misty to have sex with someone else and are blackmailing her & setting her up with this letter!
Nay Nay gives the name Lindsey (sp) to Art Harris, he asks if this is the sister-in-law, Nay-Nay says no, it’ a different one, from St. Augustine.
That’s one St. Augustine link. Whoever Lindsey is, may have been concerned about what Nay-Nay or others would be saying about her, so could this new ’sealed’ letter information be from this Lindsey and does she have a trusted friend/relative to take such a letter in to the St. Augustine paper?
sorry– that was ON the Art Harris link, but the video was Nay-Nay talking to Cobra who we met in earlier Blink articles and videos. (Nay-Nay had taken some speed-talking pills… wow she talks fast!)
Anyone have a link for tonight’s Geraldo with Art Harris?
Got it… a whole 2:20 minutes… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AIaG-VQXBA
You know Truthseeker,
you could be absolutely correct! It is a VERY catty thing and teenage girls would think nothing of this if it is true. Whatever they can do to hurt someone. It is like some kids these days are so desensitized or something?
I watched this video tonight and will try to call the number on it to see if it is a working number. I watched it and it has no sound in the beginning but at the end is a lady’s voice claiming to be an associate of Kim Picasio’s and that she has information that Kim talked about. I have a hard time believing that no one has taken her tips seriously or what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD_Lkiwg4Ao
I just dont know what to think about the letter the lady in scrubs delivered to the paper either as they said on the news that it could help solve the Haleigh Cummings case but so quiet today and why is that so, no searching today or yesterday? Doesnt anyone around there, including media think that this information is important enough to cover? Oh it is so frustrating…. come on get it in gear!
Blink,
I happen to have a serious fear of the dark. So I have kind of focus
on that aspect of this case.
If someone came to the house (like the bother)who was knocking. Maybe Haleigh got up and answered the door. If he wanted her to go outside
with him, she probably would not want to go in the dark (without a fuss). Unless the door was propped open to provide light.
Blink - By now, I know you know what’s in that 2nd letter. What’s going on? You’re on to something and we need to know - like yesterday!
Lol. You kiddin’ me? One shitstorm at a time for us, thanks.
When I can I will, promise
B
Well God forgive me, if Haleigh is truly “alive, healthy and growing” (per video 208) I say, leave her where she is. I have always wondered what would be the point in returning her to this unstable and dangerous environment. She deserves to be taken care of.
The St. Augustine Record tipster’s name was given in a report yesterday, but can’t find it. Wondering if she has any relationship to the Lindsay (sp) friend of Misty?
Ok, here’s a what-if scenario. What if it’s true that Misty snuck out to a party, leaving the kids asleep in bed. And what if Misty’s good brother Hank did come by and knock on the door, and found no Misty but only the kids there. And what if he for some reason left them there, and went home and reported same to his family, including psycho Joe the child molester. (why wouldn’t hank stay there or take he kids with him? i dunno, look at him—I hate to say it, but they kind of look like a family of dullards) Then maybe Joe (who went to bed in his clothes that night instead of just his boxers, as Hank reported earlier) then waited for Hank to fall asleep, borrowed the van (as the keys were reportedly moved, and the van now had a mysterious scratch in it) and slipped back and took Haleigh.
Now why jr heard someone’s squeaky shoes and heard the couch bouncing, i dunno.
JFYI- The number is indeed listed under the name of the lady in the video!
Suz~ I think the “look” is from fetal alcohol syndrome. I had a whole family of cousins who had the same “look”. Mom drank while she carried her babies.
Ah, Mariann, interesting. I didn’t think it was inbreeding, but it sure looked like *something*. Hank’s photo kind of reminds me of Van Gogh’s Potato Eaters
http://www.vangoghgallery.com/catalog/image.aspx?fn=images/0082.jpg
Suz……… ha ha ha ha ha ha The better to HEAR you with my Dear! lol
Okay get ready cuz I have a whole new theory here of what is going on in this case!!!!! YES! I am bored to death with both cases being slow, now please bare with me……..
okay they have mentioned Misty having an attorney right?
well she really doesn’t have the need for an attorney, does she? BUT! I looked up on google for the name of the attorney that was mentioned as hers.
http://www.dowdaandfields.com/
okay all you legal eagles and everyone just think about this.
Misty has not been arrested for anything right?
Misty has not taken her attorney with her to any of her LE questioning and or on TV with her intervieews but the others
have involved in this case. Well Misty is a minor and cannot even buy cigarettes yet! so would she be able to enter into a contractual contract with an attorney for anything? or would she need her now HUSBAND to do it for her?
OH I have more.. hehe
Did any of you watch the news when Tim Miller and Mark Nejame were getting involved in this case?
IT is not a bad thing so don’t get me wrong, Could this lawyer have something to do with a story deal on this as this lawyer seems to handle contracts and mitigation? business law?
They were both in town and getting Misty to take Lie detector tests and interviews?
TM has taped converstations from people calling him etc.
Something just keeps bringing me back to something going on behind the scenes here, it is way too quiet. TM said he would search and NO search.
People are talking abd coming out of the wood work.
ponds being drained? car being towed and looked into. Letters from jail. people dropping envelope at paper and no one being arrested.
Could this little girl still be alive?
I know it all sounds crazy and believe me I am trying to type my thougts but so many going on about all this. I need your help in sorting it all out!
OH and I left out about the letter being dropped off at the newspaper. Did anyone see how the lady in scrubs handled that letter?
She made sure no fingerprints.
Also the paper said that if the contents of this letter was true it could be VOLITILE? well it has been since wednesday and this woman was at the PD on saturday talking with the police again?
so why is nothing happening that we can see.
A new search? another arrest? what is going on?!
Re: ‘Windchime’ aka tipster in blue?? Sorry if this is duplicated–
http://radionewz.net/
(some similarity in the photos with a clear front face photo of the tipster presumably compared to that of Windchime– if this happens to be ‘windy’, hey that rhymes with Cindy– what medical or care facility or pharmacy, does this woman work at?? Yikes if it is her!)
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Tennessee authorities have arrested the mother of a woman who was babysitting a 5-year-old Florida girl when she disappeared several months ago.
The Tennessean reports that Nashville police and Tennessee Bureau of Investigation agents arrested Lisa Croslin on a fugitive-from-justice warrant on Thursday. She was wanted by Florida authorities on forgery and theft charges.
Croslin is the mother of Misty Croslin, who police say was the last person to see Haleigh Cummings when she disappeared Feb. 10 from a mobile home in Putnam County, Fla.
Haleigh’s parents are divorced.
Authorities are treating the case as an abduction.
http://www.wesh.com/news/21130962/detail.html
The more I see and hear about this family the more I wanna puke! Child molesters, thieves, druggies, what the hell kinda chance do these kids have? What role models? What security? What childhood?
As far as I’m concerned the mother is just as responsible for leaving her children in such an environment. .
I hold my 2 year old everynight, and I think of Caylee and Haleigh and Nevaeh and Justice and Dylan and pray to God that my baby never goes thru what these angels went through at the hands of SICK ANIMALS
They know what they have done.
Kleat,
Thank you for the above information. I have looked at the pictures, and it definitely looks like the same person to me. Same exact nose — hard to duplicate a nose.
I am extremely concerned with this, because as you mentioned — this woman is a child molester, and if it is her, she is dressed in scrubs, which would indicate that she works in the medical field in some capacity. Does anyone know what this “Terry Stipp” supposedly does for a living?
Is that where we are on this? The consensus is its Windchime, aka Terri Stipp?
B
Let’s assume for a moment that MC will break down and tell the truth about what happened to Haleigh. Let’s assume that Haleigh did accidentally ingest someone’s oxycontin stash and die. Let’s also assume that a few of MC’s cronies and fellow drug users helped her dispose of Haleigh’s body.
Would MC be tried as an adult? It is clear that she was a minor at the time of the assumed incident.
What would she be charged with? Would her fetal alcohol syndrome keep her out of jail? Would her history of being sexually abused keep her out of prison? Would her drug addiction enable some kind of defense? Any defense attorney can find a Dr. that will declare her retarded. The Stanford-Binet scale shows that anyone with an IQ below 70 is mentally retarded.
If she stands on the courthouse steps and says she purposefully did away with Haleigh, are they really going to do anything to her? If they do, I reckon she will be out of prison in time to have a dozen kids before her kidmaker shuts down.
I don’t believe the scrubs lady is Windchime…I’ve looked them over both carefully and don’t see it.
Nor do I, but I am no expert.
B
mjh,
It’s an interesting comparison, the nose looks very similar yes, but there are other differences plus a lot in a description that isn’t there. Skin type, jaw, hair, all look different to me.
The tip was discounted apparently now as no body found where the tip claimed. Maybe a hoaxter.
Blink, I wasn’t suggesting that was one and the same person in that photo– don’t have a clue where that photo would have been obtained of the tipster, and the site that posted it. Clearly another bogus tip about a body location, but still, maybe the tipster got that info from another person with an agenda who does know something, or a psychic, or someone with just some sincere ‘gut feeling’.
Red Ranger did you just say “Kidmaker” too funny, thanks I needed a chuckle,
Their jowls are totally different. Windchime’s forehead does not seem to be as broad. The top of Scrubs head appears to be flatter as well. Scrubs also has a cross necklace on. This would surely burn into her flesh if it was Windchime….IMHO
ROTFL…
B
Mari, yes, it’s a stretch with just those photos. One could be 6′ tall, the other could be 5′ nothing.
Hey Blink have you ever spoken to Nancy Grace ,shes really starting to get on my nerves,her new books lead character is a haily,or a haliegh,Blink do you care to comment on Ms Graces character as a person? you could just say no comment…
I will say no comment on her personally, one of her producers is a good friend and colleague, another one is a family friend. Personally, once, when I was contemplating appearing, my son said, isn’t that the lady that yells everybody? Why would you want to go on TV to get yelled at?
- Mouths of Babes..
B
They kind of look the same to me. It’s the nose. And that pic of windchimes in the identical shades, or was that a photoshop?
Red Ranger, you get ‘quip’ of the day!! But of course, had the cross been backed with the rare type of super-heat resistant duct tape, with an added ceramic inulating tile layer for added super-heat protection, that could be a useful disguise item. (of course, some people may not even notice the burning sensation, if they have no feelings, to begin with)
Seems my hunch about a ‘psychic’ tipster might just be on the right path– this is so sad when people do this to a family whose baby is missing.
“The woman who dropped off the letter …. said she…she was the messenger for a man who claimed to be an FBI informant with special psychic abilities. Detectives … would like to talk to the man who wrote the letter.
Can anyone spell ‘West Virginia’? The psychic, FBI informant with three letters on the anonymous note, could be giving enough clues to his identity to take credit for his ‘find’. One of the Ginny M. Lucas’s father’s specially gifted children or grandchildren perhaps?
This is a terrible thing to do to a family, going to the newspaper with the anonymous tip, giving people ‘hope’ then bringing them down with ‘it is about a body location’ then nothing. Nothing less than cruel. If some psychic or hunch tipster needs to come forward with their hunch, or something overheard, then they should take that information to the police, NOT some newspaper for publicity or other reason. That way, the family is not brought into this rollercoaster. It’s just irresponsible and malicious to do the ‘tip’ this way to the media.
That person should be charged with mischief proceeding to the media, even if they believed the ‘vision’ or whatever, it was not the right thing to do. That messanger woman needs to be hauled in for serious questioning.
Hey, that psychic made Nancy Grace! Maybe she can get him on this week to talk about his FBI informing and pyschic abilities.
Do we know it is Ginnette?
B
Source for above: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21139819/detail.html
***Windchime’s sexual offender page says she is 5′8.***
Mystery Letter’s Contents Revealed— No Closer To Finding Haleigh Than Before
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=145763&catid=3
This is a misleading title. The story tells jack squat about the letters contents.
And here is a good one…
http://www.news4jax.com/news/21137323/detail.html
“The woman who dropped off the letter came forward, but investigators said she told them she was the messenger for a man who claimed to be an FBI informant with special psychic abilities.”
Would somebody quit telling the fricking psychics how to get to FL?
HELLOO??
They already know. They just blind drive here, duh.
I gotta teach him everything.
B
lol Blink– you really like RR doncha know.
Wait until he starts b-chin at me in French.. Think Gomez and Morticia. GA dee da….
B
No, we don’t know it’s Ginnette of course– or her father. This pyschic is supposed to be a male.
No Mon Cher. Si c’était sombre ces médiums ne pourraient pas trouver leurs bouts avec les mains et une lampe de poche. Leur professeur mérite la fessée
Sommes-nous d’accord ? I reckon so.
Ok, for those of you who don’t get how ridiculously funny that is, translated:
No My Dear. If it was dark these mediums could not find their pieces with their hands and a flashlight. Their teacher deserves a spanking.
Cackle then Spackle,
Blink
Hey Red, that was pretty funny. I must admit, I did not look close enough to notice whether or not there were any burn marks.
Okay I know I am tired but are you all talkin in code?… lol
I am crackin up here…..
what are the initials we might be looking for please? if it was this person?
Red, thanks for starting my morning off with a *BANG* it is nice to find humor in all this mess, makes it all a lil bit less painful!
ok, details of the tipster’s letter have been published…
“Check the back of father’s mobile home,” the letter read. “From the right end of the mobile home extending out continue for 540 yards straight. At that point go north 12 yards. Dig 2�àè-3 feet, will strike metal covering an old well, check inside, black plastic garbage bag.
“Circumstances extend statewide and beyond.”
The typed initials at the bottom are “SAM.”
http://www.staugustine.com/stories/092909/news_2026349.shtml
Sam? Is that the father of the son of Sam? Is that dog talking again?
OH brother,
I was just notified that Steph Watts site had that Misty had confessed to a priest and then Watts retracted it as the source was not a good one or the priest does not have to tell what she confessed. A legality?
“Circumstances extend statewide and beyond.”
To Orange County perhaps… how about Puerto Rico??? Another ‘psychic’ involved and who’s the connection to bring this psychic in? Or maybe coincidental, and just some independent attention seeker.
Hey following this story about Haleigh. thinking it could have been posible that she answerd the door while misty was passd out!and mistys brother did go to the home and bang on the door that night after they went to bed.Claiming there was no one home.I doupt his story very much!Mabe’ police should have followd his scent with the dogs.anyways following this story its serious when a child is missing. hope peaple jokeing around on this matter will knock it off!p.s if that back door was propt open’ then mistys brother could have gone in/out.
OK Blink…what in the heck is up with the teeth whitening photos on ads at top left?
I gotta a picture of my jack o lantern on my porch I could loan the company.Have a great monday!
Lol
B