Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: The Tattoo Is “Caylee” Related- And a Clue?
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Orlando, FL– Late this afternoon, after pouring over 1400 pages of discovery, a contributor to blinkoncrime.com caught my attention.
Could Casey’s tattoo yield clues into the disappearance of Caylee Marie Anthony as long suspected?
Casey told Lee Anthony her tattoo was “Caylee related” during a jail house visit, although she stated there were no further clues associated with it. She chose the stars because Caylee loved the stars. JoJo would hold her up outside to show them to her at night.
However, comparing the image of her actual tattoo, and that of the Art it was based on uncovered during an interview with On the Record Host, Greta Van Sustern, there is a discrepancy.
The tat on Casey Anthony’s left shoulder is missing a “dot” in the Northern most star of the design. What could that mean?
Was she paying tribute to 34 month old Caylee Marie, who did not make it to her 3rd birthday at her hand, by filling in only 2?
Was she honing her “script” whereby the missing “dot” in the star is some sort of validation of the timer 55 theory, or that Caylee would be home by her birthday so she could “connect the dot” in celebration?
One thing is certain, although she was in custody on and off for nearly a year, OCSO only imaged that tattoo a few weeks ago, why?
What did they recently learn?
Thanks to Stacy Dobson, contributing to blinkoncrime.com for this article.
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So last doc dump we learned that Jose Baez called Cindy “Rosebud,” and then in the new doc dump, I just found an email where Karen Cowan of the FBI starts her email to Yuri “Hi honey” (page 9817). LOL, wuzzup wit dat?
Hi Blink, There was some discussion about the smell in the trunk of Casey Anthony’s car that you had with Ada in the last thread and I wanted to ask you something that has been bothering me ever since we found out about the duct tape over Caylee’s mouth. (please forgive me in advance about the nature of this question) There has been speculation about whether the duct tape was placed on Caylee while she was still alive and others speculate it was right after she was suffocated and decomposing and KC placed it there because KC freaked out with the decomp and tried to cover the excretion with the duct tape. I am not an expert and just an armchair detective wannabe but the theory that KC placed the duct tape after Caylee died just doesn’t make sense to me because in my mind wouldn’t the excretion of decomposition happen to ALL orifices of the human body? If the mouth and nose excretes then I would think that maybe the ears and anus as well. This is why the whole deal that KC wanted to cover the mouth and nose to stop it just doesn’t jive with me. I did try to look up some references to this because it bothers me that the defense and others that support KC think this child was not suffocated and therefore say that Caylee did not suffer. I beg to differ! Since the body was skeletonized and the fact that no tests could be taken from the remains for chloroform and how she actually died.(other than of course KC murdered her and I am praying that the state has something solid to convict her) I did find a reference from Dr. Bill Bass of UT that says, “Through his research at the Body Farm, Bass found that there is a rough sequence of decomposition that takes place in bodies located above ground. This consists of maggot activity, skin around the face being eaten away, skin and hair slippage, decomposition odours and body fluids excreting from the nose, mouth and anus occurring within the first week (1997, p. 183).”
He also talks about drainage patterns in decomposition as well, and of course I immediately thought about the stain in the trunk. This to me just magnifies the horror of this precious baby girl’s horrible death. I can’t even imagine KC placing Caylee’s lifeless little body in the trash bag and laundry bag and dumping it in those woods. How horrible! This precious little girl that she carried for 9 months and to discard her in such a cruel way! Casey Anthony placed that duct tape over Caylee’s mouth and nose for the sole purpose of suffocating and killing her. What do you think? (I don’t know if you can post this because of the nature of the question but it has been in my thoughts for quite a while) Thanks Blink
Greetings to all,
I too am a ‘lurker’ and feel like it’s time to come out of the shadows for a bit to say that I truly appreciate everyone who brings their unique gifts and their compassionate hearts to this forum. Every night I come on to catch up, and am blown away by the informed analysis that takes place. All of you who have pored over page after page of discovery have my kudos, and my gratitude, for the way you break it down for those of us (speaking for myself) who neither have the time/ ability to do so nor the smarts to interpret the information.
I have great respect for due process and treatment that is essentially objective. However, I am too often disgusted by legal loopholes and objectivity trumping common sense. Good, honest people (including jurors) are more likely to believe an accused is guilty of a white collar crime (i.e., embezzlement) than to be able to comprehend someone taking another life (especially a mother her own flesh and blood). Obviously “someone out there” did it, but I think it is hard for some to suspend their belief that people are “essentially good” and accept that the heinous act which is the reason we are all here, is possible.
It is heartening to know that common sense and truth-seeking abound in this group, and whatever the outcome of these trials, those that have lost countless sleeping and waking hours to their quest for justice will rest in the knowledge that karma, the fates, the Judge above, or whatever one believes in will prevail in its time. Oh, and kew17 #90): Exactly what you said!!! That thought is reassuring.
I have little new to add to the table; by the time I finish the day’s new posts someone has always beat me to the punch! While I value facts over speculation, I have to agree that sagemom’s (#94) theory of the stars (Casey, Tony L, future spawn) sounds plausible, knowing what we know of Casey. I had starting thinking along those lines reading wpgmouse’s (#75) thoughts…IF we believe the missing dot was not merely accidental, perhaps it symbolized the vacancy left by Caylee, to be filled in later with the “replacement” future child? Horrible to even think of, let alone put into words. I know this is tangential, but I am loopy on lack of sleep and running with the ball for a brief moment!
I think Casey telling Lee that the tattoo was Caylee-related was just her telling him what she thought he wanted to hear, a master of manipulation.
On that note, one last thought, RE: not that smart vs. that smart; I think we all know that many females seem to have, from a young age, the intuitive ability to quickly size up others’ wants and needs, flatter them to get something in return, work a situation, play both sides, while not necessarily worrying about where the chips may fall in the end, because past experience has taught them that they will wiggle their way out of it later. This is how I see Casey–a practiced manipulator with verbal skills, who was probably never forced to deal with serious consequence. I would expand on this but it would be more or less conjecture.
I had planned to only jot a couple words and now look at me. I am going to find my pillow and call it a night, because I know again tomorrow I night I will be right back here until the wee hours. Thank you all for freely sharing your perspectives on the case and your factual knowledge. While the topic of discussion is always sobering, this forum reminds me that there are really good souls all around, watching out for the victims and doing honor to their memory.
TY and welcome govgirl-
B
#100 Suz No pizza. Just an empty pizza box. They knew. The pizza was a red herring. Grrrr.
Kleat, I think I have an explanation for the detail pic of duct tape Q104. Compare the detail pic (9760) to the full length obverse pic on 9758. Note two things on 9758:
1) the distinctive wrinkle in the “top” edge of the tape if you let your eye travel straight up from the 4″ mark on the ruler.
2) the Henkel logo that is about midway between the 3″ and 4″ on the ruler a bit above the center of the tape.
Now look at 9760, and you will see that same distinctive wrinkle, though the picture has been rotated 90 degrees to the left.
I think that detailed pic is trying to get a close-up shot of the Henkel logo and those words that accompany this particular type of tape.
There is absolutely no way Casey was leaving Caylee in the trunk time after time after time while she partied or whatever. This is Florida. Any living thing left in a closed car (inside or truck) would die from the heat very quickly . . . even at night.
Sorry . . . trunk
I agree dddeerma with your comments #96. I would like to add, Casey has a SERIOUS compulsion problem. Govgirl, like you said, wiggle out later, she wants what she wants NOW, she’ll worry about the consequences later. Living in the Casey universe she probably hasn’t even grasp the idea that SHE may be put to death for her behavior.
All the pictures and video with Casey and Caylee are so staged and fake. Caylee was her prop.
RE:BOBBY WILLIAMS -TATTO ARTIST
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/anthony_case/070309caseys_tatoo_artist
HEY BLINK..HERE IS THE PHONE NUMBER OF CAST IRON TATTO (407-843-8009)..WHY NOT ASK HIM ABOUT THE “MISSING DOT” AND WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS AT CASEYS’ INSISTENCE OR MERELY AN OVERSIGHT?..ENQUIRING MINDS NEED TO KNOW!
I HAVE ALSO POSTED BOBBY WILLIAMS BEING INTERVIEWED BY FOX.
Williams, Bobby Lee E. Marks Street, Unit B, Orlando, Fl. 32803
Cast Iron Tattoos
2818 S. Orange Avenue, Orlando, Fl. 32806
Tattoo artist friend of Casey, who tattooed Casey with Bella Vita (Beautiful Life) on July 15th, 2008. Casey was talking with his boss, who asked about Caylee. Casey said she was fine, and she would bring Caylee with her on July 19 (date of next appointment)
#102 Nancy
I posted this on the other page but I agree with your assessment. Earlier Blink stated that with the “O” effect, the tape was applied while the body was flat. If the stain in the trunk is from Caylee’s body, it is in the fetal postion. I don’t know much about rigor mortis so I could be wrong. If Caylee’s body is curled up, then the duct tape was applied before she died because she wasn’t flat. ???
I am an avid reader of the site, but like many, don’t post all the time. I have really enjoyed, as much as one can enjoy a topic such as this, seeing everyone’s posts.
I’m not sure that the missing star tattoo has any meaning at all. It would not surprise me either way but obviously the person that needs to be talked to is the tattoo artist. Tattoos are very personal and yet you would be surprised at the amount of people that get random things tattooed onto them. That isn’t to say that this is random but the star “missing” or not may mean nothing.
I did want to throw something else out there. I am really saddened about everything that has happened to Caylee and how her memory has been treated and not cherished by the ones who loved her the most. I am not surprised by the Anthonys’ behavior. I don’t like it – but I’m not surprised. I also believe that, other than by Casey, Caylee was loved by her grandparents and uncle. I have personal experience with this type of behavior in my family. I have seen people be utterly abusive and yet parents stick by their children time and time again. Even if it meant the parents getting into legal trouble or even if it possibly meant that they hurt someone else. I don’t find this behavior acceptable but over time have come to better understand where this comes from. It doesn’t mean that I approve of it.
But, some parents, even at the detriment of others and even to the child they are trying to protect, will go all out trying to protect them. I’m sure that the Anthonys’, like my own family, have a very difficult time believing that their child could possibly that cruel. They should have protected Caylee, but that didn’t mean they didn’t love her at all. Truthfully they should have really protected Casey and got her help a long time ago. But, unfortunately, once someone is of a legal age getting them the help they need is very difficult. I know in my own case that this family member is a danger to himself and at times others. But, getting someone committed or at least decent psychiatric help is very difficult unless they initiate it. I don’t have any sympathy for the Anthonys’ they failed Casey, themselves, and most importantly Caylee many times over. But, I’m not surprised by the behavior, and maybe because of my own situation, have an understanding about just how something like this happens. Even if they believe that she is really guilty protecting her is all they really have left. Convicting Casey won’t bring Caylee back and Caylee isn’t here to need protecting anymore.
I don’t believe Casey is stupid. I think she is manipulative and conniving. I also think that she lies to herself over and over and only very deep inside does she “know” the truth. I have seen this same family member of mine lie about anything and everything. He will lie about even things that are completely irrelevant. I have seen him lie and tell stories about abuse and totally misrepresent things. It makes you wonder, at times, if he really isn’t lucid all the time. But, he’s not stupid. Casey will always make herself out to be the victim. No doubt she suffers from low self esteem and all of these behaviors, the dressing provocatively, sleeping around, partying are all symptomatic of that. She will tell anyone and everyone who would really listen to her that she is the victim in this. It has nothing to do with Caylee but everything to do with her. She will, no doubt, tell people her story and sound totally convincing. She will find people to feel sorry for her. It just saddens me that she never got the help or had the home life she needed to be a different person. If she had Caylee would still be alive.
I tend to think that there is too much being read into the stars. I’ve gotten tattoo’s several times at Cast Iron, by a different artist, and my son’s also have several tatts. Most artist work a “sketch” of the tattoo you want, its then copied onto a “transfer” paper, usually just the “outline”. The transfer paper is carefully placed on your back and the ink transfers to your skin, you must be very very still if its a larger tatt, and they usually clean your skin first to make sure no lotions or skin oils are present that would interfere with the transfer. I would tend to think that somehow that small dot just didn’t transfer, and the artist didn’t notice, and Being raw and red, neither did Casey at the time. I would also assume that he could have drawn it freehand, but few artists are that good. If she was a repeat customer I would think she paid less than $100.00 for that one, especially if he thought she would bring in more business, and lining up her next tatt. I have a “Memorial” tatt on my upper back, which I swore I wouldn’t do, of a treble cleft symbol with butterfly wings on either side and the tibetan letters for “enjoy the journey” for my brother who passed away in August 08. it is from shoulder to shoulder and probably 10″ in length, multiple colors, and I only paid 280.00 cause the artist at Cast Iron does several of my tatts.
Also, about the duct tape, again this relates to my brother, when we first went to the funeral home, he died in the intensive care and we didn’t see him until he had transferred to the funeral home, they allowed us to see him, if we wanted to, even though he hadn’t been “taken care of yet” I was so overwelmed seeing him for the first time like that, he was my big brother, that I touched his cheek, and some fluid came out of his nose and eyes. It freaked me out, since it seemed like he was crying. I’m not trying to be overly gorish, its just I was so concerned of the same thing happening to my father when he came in, that I went to the staff and begged them to explain, and fix. My brother had alot of fluids pumped into him at the hospital due to his condition and that happens naturally, they also said fluids come out of any orafice, so that is why they normally don’t like family to see the body before they’ve “prepared” it for viewing. My point is, I think this is what may have happened to KC. After Caylees’ death body fluids were leaking and that is why she duct taped the nose and mouth. I think the pull-ups were enough for the other areas’. Hope I didn’t disturb anyone with this, just thought it might be a viable answer
My hat is off to all the detectives etc. working on this case. After watching the interview Cindy had with Detective Edwards and Melich again, I really had the worst headache. It looks to me that it takes Melich everything he has not to jump up and shake the life out of her. Once she tells the tale of Zanny, and the wreck, and broken arms, and lacerations he walks out and comes back in with a stack of papers ready to tell her stop already, none of this is true and you are wasting our time and time we could be looking for your Caylee. After all that she tells him “I know none of this is true”. Gee weez. Why if she knows none of this is true, then why not just say that from the beginning and get something productive going. As he speaks about the most serious of topics she continues to grab her coffee and take sips. Who does that. She wants to find blame in someone else so bad. She actually makes a comment to them saying that they don’t contact her with info of whats going on with the tips etc. The nerve, when her own daughter would have never let anyone know anything if not for her(Cindy). I still can’t understand how she could have gone a month without wanting to see Caylee. The only reason could be is because something happened at that house on the 15th.
The courts are closed today for Columbus Day, so here I am, hopefully making my final post on the tattoo:
There mere fact that she went and ADORNED herself with a tattoo– while her baby girl was allegedly “missing”/”kidnapped” is what the RELEVANT/ADMISSIBLE EVIDENCE is here (and not, as I am now posting for the 2nd time, any CONJECTURE AND SPECULATION about a missing DOT or WHY she got the tattoo/WHO it was for).
The FACT that she went a got a tattoo during the 31 DAYS is what is RELEVANT and ADMISSIBLE as to her “state of mind” during this significant span of time.
What it shows from an evidence (as in LEGAL/ADMISSIBLE IN COURT) standpoint is that she was NOT BEHAVING THE WAY THE MOTHER OF A YOUNG, KIDNAPPED CHILD would have been BEHAVING IF she truly believed her child was actually MISSING/HAD BEEN KIDNAPPED.
It shows she was not insane with worry or desperately searching for her daughter (the clear implication being that this is because she knew that her daughter was NOT “MISSING” or “KIDNAPPED” but rather was already DEAD and GONE/DUMPED by the elementary school).
It shows how terrifically UNCONCERNED she was about Caylee.
It walks hand in hand with all the other evidence of her activities during the 31 days: She was NOT DISTRESSED about her child’s whereabouts/fate. She was NOT IN A PANIC/FRANTIC (as would be the mother of a child who was missing or had been kidnapped).
To the contrary: This self-obsessed woman was watching rented movies with her boyfriend/lounging around. She was INVITING FRIENDS TO a CLUB. She was SHOPPING (for HERSELF, for things to wear to the club). She was ON THE DANCE FLOOR, LIVING, SMILING AND LAUGHING IT UP (in the new clothing she bought for herself– in the club where she told detectives she was only going to search for “Zanny”–what a freaking STUPID JOKE of a LIE). She was FLIRTING. She was F***ING. She was EATING. She was DRINKING. She was SMOKING POT. She was GOING TO THE MOVIES and/or OUT FOR LUNCH in the afternoon; GOING TO HOUSE PARTIES/ ENJOYING FIREWORKS DISPLAYS at night. She was PAYING ATTENTION TO HERSELF–GETTING A MANICURE, GETTING A TATTOO. She was focused on having a good time… on living the good life.
AND SHE WAS DOING WHATEVER SHE “HAD TO DO”–LYING, CHEATING, STEALING– TO KEEP UP THIS LIFE OF PLEASURE/LEISURE/FREEDOM FROM RESPONSIBILITY.
BEHOLDEN to NO ONE. NOT A MAKE-PRETEND BOSS OR CO-WORKERS; NOT HER MOTHER; NOT HER CHILD (for whom she NEVER took on the real role of mother/provider; she was more like a glorified baby sitter or a big sister… someone who watched the child from time to time, but who was not responsible to provide for the child on her own).
With Caylee dead, Casey was finally RULER OF HER OWN SELF-CENTERED, LITTLE UNIVERSE.
*****
How about analyzing the ACTUAL EVIDENCE in the case? There is a veritable plethora of it out there for your consideration.
FOR GOODNESS SAKE, HERE is a BOMBSHELL:
We now know that she used 3 PIECES OF DUCT TAPE.
Not 1; Not 2; but 3 across Caylee’s little mouth and nose.
That is BIG NEWS.
THAT was NO MISTAKE.
That shows INTENTIONAL HOMICIDE, i.e. MURDER.
SPITEFUL BITCH,INDEED.
COLD, CALLOUS, HEARTLESS is the nature of this horrific CRIME.
CASEY IS A MONSTER. NOT A GENIUS. A MONSTER.
(for the record, i don’t think she is stupid; i think she is of average intelligence, possibly a little above –based upon her use of vocabulary/her grammar in writings, etc–, but a genius or mastermind she is not)
Silver-
to your point, I am also of the mind that the masking tape strips, at least 2 were cut in advance, they are exactly the same size. Think about if you were ( I know insidious exercise) premeditating this, you would not cut/tear the duct tape on the fly.
You might cut the strips you need, and say, stick them on the back of the chair. Your eyeballing the tape and where to cut it based on that first strip on the back of the chair. Or take your duct tape, pick the end up with your finger, pull it, eyeball it to your comfort level so you can tear it with your teeth not to close to the roll. I got the same measurement every time.
Frightening.
BTW–
If you go with that “O-RING” theory… you are ignoring some pretty strong evidence of PREMEDITATION.
The O-RING theory would have one believe that she used the tape to cover Caylee’s mouth and nose POST-MORTEM, due to being disturbed by the way the jaw hangs slack after death. If you believe that.. you lose quite a bit of ground on any argument in favor of a conviction on Murder 1 (vs. on Agg. Manslaughter).
If, on the other hand, you can see that she used the tape (particularly the AMOUNT of tape) to ensure that Caylee would not be able to pull oxygen into her lungs…
You have a very strong basis for arguing for the imposition of either the DP (aggravating factor: the murder was especially “HEINOUS, ATROCIOUS, CRUEL”) or LWOP under the Murder 1 charge.
Silver-
I agree with your point, and I realize I am among the few holding out on this. As a matter of fact, a close associate I trust who is very close to this case has changed their opinion that this was in fact premeditated and she was in fact either drugged or chloroformed and the tape was applied to end her life.
I do believe that she murdered Caylee in some sort of rageful act. In my mind, whatever it was, was not going to fly as an “accident”. Whatever it was, under the law regarding premeditation, it is still 1st degree murder, imo.
That said, absent the tape, there is NO evidence of premeditation that I can see. Not one person ever said she even so much as yelled at this child, and in fact, she was brought along to rendevouz with friends and manovers.
In my mind, this event ending Caylee’s life, occurred at the home, and she panicked. The fact that she moved the body from the playhouse area tells me again, panic, and no premeditation.
All of this, is for not, because, and this is the karmic portion of the program, in her attempts to cover up her crime, and launch the kidnapper theory, she has provided the vehicle by which no person I know will ever get past. Duct tape affixed firmly over the nose and mouth of a 34 month old child and a trunk full of chloroform, and if to be believed, an outline of her in a stain under ALS.
Of course, I do admit, this particular case, this particular suspect and this baby, may be beyond my ability to conceive that she murdered her the way you and most others do.
B
It seems marinadedave did some sleuthing in regards to James Thompson statement. I didn’t know James Thompson changed the time that he saw Casey and Caylee to around 4:00 pm at the Walmart (per Bob Kealing interview)
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/08/does-not-compute/
Try holding your breath for over 60 seconds, without first preparing mentally or physically (as in, do NOT take in a nice, big inhalation of air before you begin).
Just watch the second hand on a watch or clock, and when you cannot stand it any longer, imagine you realize you haVE NO CHOICE, because YOUR MOUTH AND NOSE ARE COVERED WITH DUCT TAPE, and someone is keeping you from ripping it off.
SHEER TERROR and SEARING PAIN would be your experience.
Imagine it being your LAST experience in life.
At the hands of a woman you call “MOM”… or “MOMMA”.
THAT is what Caylee Marie Anthony endured in her last moments of life.
THAT is why Casey Marie Anthony is charged with MURDER, and is facing the DP as a consequence of a killing that was HEINOUS, ATROCIOUS & CRUEL.
She could have given up custody of her daughter to her parents. She KNEW that they wanted Caylee, and would care and provide for her. And yet.. she chose MURDER.
Why???
Because maybe she is a “S P I T E F U L B I T C H”.
There is no requirement to prove “motive”, but we have it, loud and clear, right out of the horse’s own mouth.
James Thompson Responds
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/james-thompson-responds/
Very interesting post, Pamela, but if Caylee had already begun to “leak,” the duct tape would not adhere to a wet or damp surface. IMO, she put the tape over Caylee’s mouth while the skin was dry and still very much alive.
Happy Monday everyone !
Check this fabrication ,
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/casy_anthony_muredr_weird_human_sacrifice_cult_police_theory/celebrity/67476
#111 and #112 I appreciate reading your posts for some insight.
I also am appreciative of Blink, that she gives us an opportunity to share all our ideas.
I became so interested in this case when I realized how much like Casey I was at her age. Really. Very glad I did not have a child. I feel confident that I would have been able to resent my child, ignore my child, feel nothing for my child. Especially if my child was not a “love child” (which it it clear Caylee was not. A “love child” has to be made with someone you love).
I was completely narcissistic at Casey’s age…and I knew it and felt fine about it. I came first. Much has changed over the many years between Casey’s age and mine…but I still have narcissistic tendencies. I’ve learned a lot –and matured. I feel much better about myself than when I was lying and cared about no one but myself…still..I tend to put myself ahead of most everyone. I sort of “pretend” to care about others..and there are a few I actually do care about..but by and large I “pretend” the caring thing so that I fit in with society (as best I can).
I was raised by a Mother who was very much like Cindy. When I was in HIgh School I began cutting class. It got so bad that I look back on it now, with the realization that I had some sort of school phobia. I wanted to go….but every day I would wake up after my ride had come and gone. This happened over and over and like Cindy, my Mother was always at work and had no clue what the heck I was doing or not doing. Eventually, the school required both my Mother and I to come into the school to discuss my absenteeism. I was afraid, of course. Well, they had all my teachers, a counselor and the principal there and they talked in front of me to my Mom..about how I hadn’t been coming and how I was going to flunk if I didn’t attend. They showed her actual paper records of what days I was not there. It was very serious! I was sweating bullets. After all these years..I don’t have a clear memory of what my Mother said during the meeting–but she was indignant.. When we left and got into her car I DO remember that my Mother was angry WITH THEM! NOT WITH ME! Seriously! She went on and on all the way home about how she did not believe them! All I had to say was that I WAS going to school and she was willing to go with THAT. (Who does that sound like????) I am sure I don’t have to tell you that it did not help me in the least that she was so willing to side with me. I did flunk…and that entire unhappy episode has deeply adversely affected my entire life.
Because I am still a narcissist I tend to look at this whole Casey/Cindy thing as being about ME! lol..but, truthfully, it is. Because I have the unique perspective of how narcissism begins. I wasn’t as “good looking” as Casey (I did not have the good body she had/has) but if I had I probably would have been just as promiscuous as she was. At 22 or 23 Casey was at a point where she knew she should be leaving the nest..(“Bella Vida!”) but she was totally incapable of supporting herself. My bet is that Cindy made Casey feel so bad about herself with her crazy form of I love you no I don’t parenting that all Casey knew was that she hated Cindy and “had” to get away from her. (I’m not making excuses for KC..this is just my perspective…because Casey’s story is so much like mine, sans murder).
Over the years I have read zillions of self help books. I still read them. Something I read recently was that “Behind every behavior is an underlying positive intention”. I do not know how Casey did away with her own child..but underneath–all her acting out (stealing, lying, murdering) was because she wanted someone to “genuinely” love her. She thought that someone was Tony L.
Was the blank star was for Caylee? Honestly, I think it is just an error on the part of the tattoo artist..because I don’t think Casey thought anymore about Caylee after she was “gone”. I am possibly the only person in the world who feels a titch of compassion for Casey. I do realize that there is no redemption for her. I think the defense is so wrong for not going with a mental illness defense. Baez and his team are a collective version of my Mother in the meeting called about me in H.S…”You didn’t do it!” It is so sad for everyone–because the truth is the only thing that can and will heal us all. Cindy doesn’t want the blame..and without question Cindy is the way she is due to circumstances in her own tragic upbringing. If only she would see that.
At some point we all are responsible for ourselves..no matter what hardships were leveled upon us. If only Cindy would see that and stop blaming everyone and accept that her daughter can not be “saved” now. The bright light of the truth is all everyone …including Casey….needs for resolution. Nothing, no matter how painful, upsetting or uncomfortable, trumps truth.
111 lwbrach..wow did your comment really resonate. Family first thats how it is. Casey is the exception to the rule. 4he puts herself first. And then sits there and watches the one who would protect her destroy their own integrity. What I find interesting is her attraction to cops. I have dated someone on the force. We are still friends. Turns out her relationships with PO didnt work to her advantage as it has for me. The OSCO saw caylee as one of their own and took up her cause. They have obviously seen through the family’s attempts to discredit and blame others. These are NOT strong family values. Unfortunately this behavior MAY backfire. My opinion is very close to govgirl’s analysis. Casey unfortunately has a family who cant see past casey’s nose. The family didnt know who to turn to for help’ causee casey is an adult. That is just not so’ there are plenty of resourses available when a child is in danger. Not all families feel helpless when they have a family member like casey. Many families are called into action and take action. This sadly was not the case with caylee. hopefully caylee’s story and other’s like it will help make a change.
vidda, thanks for the Enquirer link, lol. I was asking awhile ago if Rev Grund meant occult as in serious satanism, or occult as in he feels guilty that he read his horoscope in the paper each day. Since he references that his involvement started by watching Casper the Friendly Ghost cartoons, I think I have my answer. Poor Rev.
NO prblm, Suz
Not sure how reliable the “paper ” is , but in the gossip world they have proven right way too many times.. I was reading the article and kept reading how often I would hear him saying@ NG that ” They “are getting ready to fry Jesse…NG was really respectfull with him and Rev Grund comes across as a such a nice human been !His every comment for babe Caylee was loving , he was so protective for Jesse ,too..Even will all s@#$ surcumstances at the time he shown so much class mentioning Ant’s and Casey ( I cannt ever do that )..
Now, see how nasty Cindy its going to be , so much hate ..its going to be a long winter , Suz ..Sindy woudnt stop with this article
SuzeeB
Thanks for the link to James Thompson’s response to Marinade Dave. Just one more heart breaking segment of this horrific tale. Dave said James is on the state’s witness list. I’ll be interested in what you Blinkers think.
Celeste B., thanks for sharing your very personal point of view. Very insightful. And don’t feel totally alone in having compassion for Casey—I feel for her, too. In fact I have a hard time mustering up hatred for any of the Anthony’s. Mostly I just feel really bad for everyone involved. All these ruined lives. It’s sad.
Society has reached a new low. Imagine publishing semi-nude photos of a BEAUTIFUL, young lady who is supposedly presumed INNOCENT. Why is it important to exhibit her scantily clad body as such? This is a form of intimidation from a Persecution office who lacks EVIDENCE. And BTW, those are not zits – they are sunspots. And take into account, this young lady was under unimagineable stress – frantically searching for Caylee. Was it the best decision to search for Caylee on her own? probably not – but people under stress sometimes make bad decisions. I asume you people have never made a bad decision? Let he is without sin cast the first stone.
God Bless
God Bless
OrlandoEAST (10/09/2009, 1:48 PM )
I read on help the missing website that Lee posted on Topix with this name. Everyone seems to think it is Cindy.
semi nude? What are they talking about?
B
My take on Casey leaving hidden clues to her crime is that this is likely. What I understand of the narcissict mind is that they want to be known even understood. They just have to brag about what they have done. Since they cant see past their own noseo this makes them blind. Casey left her little clues everywhere but was to blind to others to know this would help get her caught. She may be clever but she has No Common Sense. This needy arrogance is not smart. Good thing the OCSO is brilliant just like in my county. Casey has most likely been done in by her own blindness. 4he was lucky within her own family but BOY did she pick the WRONG county to commit her crime in.
Vidda
I just read your link to the National Enquirer too. Looks like they also have a bus to throw Mr. Grund under. I hope they don’t start making up stuff about Casey and the rest of the Anthonys. Imagine where they could go with them and their recent rebaptism.
Been a long time lurker, absolutely thrilled with the level of intelligent conversation/discussion presented here!
#120 possum: the fact that OSCO (and if one looks/reads the other LE correspondance, ALL other LE and ancellary agencies) took Caylee under their collective “wings” is typical behavior: we try to protect and serve those who are the weakest of our society and thusly, speak for them. THANK HEAVENS for some people who cared about CAYLEE vs casey!
#112 pamela: so sorry for your losses, it appears that you’ve had unique experiences with the immediately deceased that give you some insight, however, the concept of blocking the decomp purge with the duct tape is not probable based on my evaluation of the # of tape pieces, the measured sizes, the overlaying effects, the lack of “slippage”, and the obvious adherance to the body.
Purge of decomp and other body fluids occur when the body is moved, decomp “leakage” occurs as the days of insect/bacterial activity increase; suggest referring to the SCIENTIFIC (not junk science, LKB!) publications from the “Body Farm” et al.
Had this case crossed my table, I would have assigned the MOD as homicide also given the duct tape size, position, bundling.
On the legal side, the circumstantial evidence will be presented (I HOPE) in a logical, step by step approach (think building a wall with bricks and Ms Anthony’s actions as the mortar) and the physical forensic evaluations will add to the structure!
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silverspnr
Agree. I realized pretty much everything you described when I read the initial release of the ME report, and posted similar at that time.
It brought me to tears, the awareness of the unimaginable suffering, the sheer horrors felt by little one delivered from the hands of her own mother.
Your thoughts, emotions, passion (and f’s) are shared by many, IMO. If I may say, your legal expertise is critically necessary here to balance some of us who are speculating and theorizing, attempting developments of facts yet known, as well as in dialogue of facts as they are revealed. I do not know you, but I will say to you that you have my utmost respect.
I am not leaning to the “O” factor theory in this case. I did mention it the other day when I “perceived” an oval, donut-shaped impression at the end of one piece of duct tape. It was perhaps premature of me to comment on it.
Cheers.
Check out the My Clerk website regarding the check charges trial….The defense has been filing LOTS of paperwork today.
10/12/2009 A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR CHANGE OF VENUE FILED
10/12/2009 A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR A JURY QUESTIONNAIRE FILED
10/12/2009 A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR INDIVIDUALLY SEQUESTERED JURY VOIR DIRE FILED
10/12/2009 A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT’S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PRECLUDE THE INTRODUCTION OF ANY EVIDENCE RELATING TO MISS ANTHONY’S MURDER CASE
10/12/2009 A EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT’S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF ALLEGED PRIOR BAD ACTS
10/12/2009 A BLANK JUROR INFORMATION SHEET FILED
10/12/2009 A MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF ALLEGED PRIOR BAD ACTS
10/12/2009 A DEFENDANT’S MOTION IN LIMINE FILED TO PRECLUDE THE INTRODUCTION OF ANY EVIDENCE RELATING TO MISS ANTHONY’S MURDER CASE
10/12/2009 A MOTION IN LIMINE FILED TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF ALLEGED PRIOR BAD ACTS
10/12/2009 A MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR CHANGE OF VENUE
10/12/2009 A MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR A JURY QUESTIONNAIRE
10/12/2009 A MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF MOTION FOR INDIVIDUALLY SEQUESTERED JURY VOIR DIRE
10/12/2009 A MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT’S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PRECLUDE THE INTRODUCTION OF ANY EVIDENCE RELATING TO MISS ANTHONY’S MURDER CASE
10/12/2009 A MOTION FOR ADMISSION TO APPEAR PRO HAC VICE
10/12/2009 A MOTION FOR CHANGE OF VENUE
10/12/2009 A MOTION FOR A JURY QUESTIONNAIRE
10/12/2009 A MOTION FOR INDIVIDUALLY SEQUESTERED JURY VOIR DIRE
OMFG, sequester a jury for an economics case that should take no longer than one day- these people are nuts. Thanks for posting Sal, as I said, the gloves are off as a result of this being scheduled seperately and in advance of he murder trial
B
Your comments to my 112 are probably correct, I guess I was just thinking that if I something to stop the fluids from leaking from his body, I would have grabbed them w/o thinking. Therefore, if KC killed Caylee and had her body in the car, saw the fluids and the duct tape she might have in a panic wanted to wrap Caylee again and again to not see “that” if you’re not use to dealing with dead bodies it is very disturbing. I guess I’m grasping at straws so I don’t have to think that she taped Caylee up while that baby was still alive, as in Silvers post, about holding our breath. This case brings up horrors that I feel many of us, who would do anything to save our children just aren’t willing to accept, our minds don’t want to go where this trial will eventually take us. For Caylee’s sake, and for any child that might suffer the same, if KC gets away with this, we need to be steadfast thru the most horrific of evidence in her support and innocent children everywhere. In today’s Orlando Sentinel, just the front page are 4 stories of children killed by a parent. We must have harsher penalties and a much stronger DCF to protect these kids.
Ranting done, sorry
it makes me wonder how many unsolved cases have this many clues or codes that reveal things but it was rushed to the unsolved files & forgotten.
A GAZILLION, sadly. Good observation.
B
hi, joypath! thanks for chiming in.
I do think this case is the prosecution’s to blow. If they do everything just right, it should be ok. If they get cocky or overconfident or sloppy….goodness knows. Let’s hope they don’t.
What is your take on why the state is asking for the DP? Do they have (or do they even need to have) some kind of iron clad evidence?
SOUL SISTER
GOD BLESS IS SOMETHING ORLANDO EAST ALIAS CINDY SAYING IN CLOSING. I THINK IT SOUNDS MORE LIKE HER.
SOUL SISTER
THAT WAS MORE THAN LIKELY POSTED BY CINDY SHE ALWAYS ENDS WITH GOD BLESS WHICH IS WEIRD BECAUSE SHE IS FAR FROM GODLY IN HER ACTIONS. SHE GOES BY OE AND IS ALL OVER THE NET POSTING .
SORRY IM STUTTERING LOL
BLINK
CAN THEY BE REFERRING TO SEMI NUDE IN AS VERY FEW CLOTHES ON WORN BY CASEY?
silverspnr
Even though the tattoo was inked prior to the “alleged” theft of Amy’s cheque book, it would be admissable in the Economics case IF it was paid for by fraudulent means AFTER Amy H. left for Puerto Rico, wouldn’t it?
127 ,
I think , Orlando East is one on the name Cindy uses blogging..How pathetic , even her mother thinks that everything is about Casey’s body ! Just to add- luckily for us, she didnt put the tattoo somewhere lower than her weight ‘s to cause car accidents and divorces with its publication …C’mon,now its State’s fautt Caysee’s tat is not on her face or what ? Cindy is getting worse in her hate and arrogance …good thing Jojo doesnt blog
I totally meant – lower than her waste line , sorry
You mean, OrlandoEast isn’t Cindy? o o
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#114 – Well said, Silver, well said….
semi nude? We’ve seen her wearing less in pictures of with Caylee at the beach.
I think the “skin condition” should have been cropped out. BUT that’s the nurse in me wanting to protect confidetiality… I feel it was done as a means of humiliating her publically, but hey, aren’t there still 1000 pictures of KC shown to George that we’ve yet to see?
We may be suprised at how truly disgusting this could get!
If that’s as bad as it gets I’ll thank my lucky stars!
Personally, I’m waiting on the motions about failing to protect the inmates from serious possibly fatal staph/strep A infections.
Those of us in the medical community take this very seriously.
Employees of the prison system could contract it as well as spread it to family members/their own children. That is some scary sh!t
because it is very hard to treat and resitant to most oral medications.
Google “MRSA”.
S C A R Y !!!
gngrsnap, I think you are right about the public humiliation angle. If so, shame on them—the state should always take the high road.
omg blink
is this baez doing with the assistance of lyons or is it baez on his own !! this guy needs some prozak quick he is like maniac!!!
#135 suz: I believe that there is SIGNIFICANT information that is far too “explosive” to be presented at this time (think at trial). Other scientific data has to be “in the pending file”, information as itemized very effectively by many other contributors on this site! My OPINION on “asking” for the DP: this crime demands it! as it is especially henious, infanticide perpretrated by a blood relative and complicated by that “insignificant” detail of falsification of facts to LE.
#92-Gavriella
I too have tossed around the idea that Caylee might have somehow have been drowned in the pool (with or without duct tape on her beforehand) … I even thought maybe the duct tape was put there to somehow muffle the cries and or screaming you might expect in the process (sorry for the visual … even typing this just breaks my heart in 2 million places). However, one thing that eventually nullified that possibility in my mind, alleging that LE’s claims that Caylee actually died on the 16th IIRC, is there was allegedly a very strong thunderstorm/rainstorm at the time during that day and during the time cell pings designate Casey was around the Anthony home and/or nearby her home at the time LE believes Caylee was possibly murdered.
That being true, I just don’t see lazy prima donna Casey as being outside even to get the mail, let alone for any length of time to carry out her daughter’s murder when there are so many other neater (and less wet and dangerous) possibilities right inside the comforts of her own home. I changed my opinion on the drowning theory right after that, however, I still really don’t know what transpired or exactly when. Like all of us however, I believe maybe I could rest easier honestly knowing what happened. But at the same time, maybe it would be instead something made of nightmares having that information, so maybe in that sense, we’re all better off not knowing the sordid details as I suspect the truth is far more sinister than any of us normal people can wrap our heads around. I for one know that would be more than I truly handle … this case has already cost me many a night’s sleep over the last year and a half here and there as I have been an avid follower from the beginning.
That being said though, Gavrielle, I do think that pool and the ladder holds at least some potential clues (and apparently some degree of secrethood within the Anthony family) from what Leonard’s Tracy McLaughlin describes while in the Anthony home to LE in her interviews. I have been skeptical regarding the whole pool/ladder scenario from the beginning thinking both somehow played a roll in Casey’s plan (or lack thereof) but how exactly I don’t know. Remember Tracy telling LE while at the kitchen table one day, she sat there playing with her phone pretending not to be paying attention and Cindy and Casey made conversation? Cindy/Casey commented LE couldn’t even get the timeline right …. that it was all wrong. My 1st thought was, “If Cindy honestly had no idea what happened to her granddaughter, how would she know what was right and/or wrong in the timeline? She professed to LE she had no idea what had happened, yes? That alone set off my hinky meter. What does Cindy Anthony know and when did she actually know it and start fudging to authorities, the media and anyone else who questioned her family?
But I digress … getting back to Tracy’s comments to LE … she said after that that she didn’t use the shovel for what LE thought either … that she’d used it to dig out some bamboo in the backyard (as if Casey doing any form of work is believable, let alone to help someone else), and as if almost forgetting Tracy was sitting right there, went on to add, “… and to get the ladder out of the pool …” before Cindy quite noticeably eyed her to shut up. George walked in on the conversation as well according to Tracy and just shook his head, apparently as if to say, “let’s just pretend none of this just happened”. The pool issue has been brought up many a time over the last year or so and then the statements from Tracy. My question is, “Why is that pool and everything surrounding it such a taboo subject in the Anthony household?” If you have nothing to hide, then what’s the deal, right? Was the ladder and/or pool water ever actually checked by LE at all?
If decomp traces were actually in the pool, wouldn’t that show up somehow in a tested water sample? I know chlorine/bromine’s job is to filter out contaminents in the water, etc and it had been over a month since it would’ve allegedly been done if this holds any merit, but wouldn’t they have at least tried anyway just in case? No stone unturned I would think. It’s obvious the Anthony’s want to distract everyone from the whole pool scenario so it makes you wonder what they know and/or what they’re hiding in regard to it. All just my intuitive opinion of course, but it just seems like something is up with that pool with all the energy the Ant’s go to to distract us from it.
Another thing regarding the pool … Cindy told LE she used to swim often in the pool with Caylee. Did she swim also often without her? In one of the documents IIRC, after Casey was arrested on the 16th, no one had allegedly been in the pool since. Coindidence? Odd at best I would think considering Cindy’s pool habits in the past.
Lastly and off the pool subject, regarding the Casey being smarter vs stupid debate … I’m on the fence on that one. Being that she was a sociopath and allegedly appeared to have planned this from all the docs I’ve seen and comments I’d read directly from Casey to her friends starting March 2008, I would say at the very least, she was crafty and conniving and definitely manipulative. Smart however, might be going too far as we’ve all seen how the results have turned out in that dept.
No one has ever talked about this (including LE) but I remember reading it on one of Casey’s comments to Amy way back in I believe August 2008 (I believe either on Facebook or My Space) before her pages went private and then were completely taken down by LE/Baez later. In light of everything that Casey has done and not done in this case, I believe that comment does shed some light on an awful lot of things, including her mindset at the time of Caylee’s disappearance. I don’t remember the subject (sorry Blinkers), but Amy and Casey were talking about something … guys and their relationship problems with them I believe, but I can’t confirm that since I can no longer find the conversation anywhere in the docs. They are both upset about their past experiences/disappointments in life and specifically with guys and/or authority in general and Casey comments to Casey about changing the rules … and later adds, “It’s time for some new rules … we can make up our own rules …” Far-reaching to some extent I know, but I’ve always wondered if this was almost a pre-cursor to something else in Casey’s own mind.
I have never believed Caylee’s demise was an accident and I still don’t. Casey described herself best and I believe in that, at least at that time, she was being completely honest with the comment, “I’m a spiteful b****!” When people tell you curiously peculiar and negative things about themselves, there’s often no analyzation needed … the mistake usually comes in not believing them.
In my psychology background, I have always been taught that when someone will go so far as to tell you something abnormal about themselves, even allegedly in jest, BELIEVE IT. I believe when Casey told her brother Lee that she wouldn’t let Cindy or her family see Caylee for those 31 days because she was “a spiteful B****” she was, possibly for the very first time letting herself be truly genuine for the very first time in her life, albeit under very tragic circumstances. Sorry so long … I guess I got carried away on this one. My sincere apologies Blink.
#145 gngrsnap: points well taken regarding Methcillin resistant Staphyloccus aureus, however that mess on Casey’s back looks more like a contact dermatitis complicated by acne, “picking” or clothing irratation and the ever popular lazy/poor hygene and some interesting moles. I do not believe that the pictures were to “humiliate” her but to provide an accurate and true representation of her body tattoo in its “natural habitat”, an illustration of her behavior asthe grieving mother and of course, as documentation for the credibility of the tattoo artist as he testifies. (not a lawyer here but have had to testify to the true and accurate depiction of body tattoos when describing post mortem evidence)