Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: The Tattoo Is “Caylee” Related- And a Clue?
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Orlando, FL– Late this afternoon, after pouring over 1400 pages of discovery, a contributor to blinkoncrime.com caught my attention.
Could Casey’s tattoo yield clues into the disappearance of Caylee Marie Anthony as long suspected?
Casey told Lee Anthony her tattoo was “Caylee related” during a jail house visit, although she stated there were no further clues associated with it. She chose the stars because Caylee loved the stars. JoJo would hold her up outside to show them to her at night.
However, comparing the image of her actual tattoo, and that of the Art it was based on uncovered during an interview with On the Record Host, Greta Van Sustern, there is a discrepancy.
The tat on Casey Anthony’s left shoulder is missing a “dot” in the Northern most star of the design. What could that mean?
Was she paying tribute to 34 month old Caylee Marie, who did not make it to her 3rd birthday at her hand, by filling in only 2?
Was she honing her “script” whereby the missing “dot” in the star is some sort of validation of the timer 55 theory, or that Caylee would be home by her birthday so she could “connect the dot” in celebration?
One thing is certain, although she was in custody on and off for nearly a year, OCSO only imaged that tattoo a few weeks ago, why?
What did they recently learn?
Thanks to Stacy Dobson, contributing to blinkoncrime.com for this article.
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I know I quickly scrolled past one post where the person stated that, contrary to the collective here (and elsewhere on the web in particular), there are many (if not most folks) who know NADA about this case…and couldn’t care less.
I know that I have had to explain the case to people in my immediate family, riding groups, professional arenas. (Yes. Other lawyers who have paid NO attention to this case, and who are only vaguely interested– or pretending to be even vaguely interested– when I mention it).
Seriously.
Most people are not going around obsessing about this case.
I have to admit that I have NEVER focused on any case I was not personally handling to this degree, save the exception of my obsession with matters like the Iran-Contra hearings, for example. If I hadn’t posted here to begin with, I’d probably have spent more time reading about other matters.
What’s done is done. Caylee was murdered, and Casey is charged with it. No commenting here will change that. There are professionals working the case. They will be the ones who make the key decisions, etc.
Truth: You could sit in on MANY heartbreaking criminal cases that take place all across the country, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.
Wanna see it all unfold slowly?? Take a trip to FAMILY COURT, and see what goes on in THAT “circus maximus”.
Be a volunteer child advocate/guardian ad litem and get a good dose of reality.
This case caught the attention of the national media due to its “entertainment” value. Sex, Lies & Videotape (and drugs… and lewd/lascivious behavior.. and blahblahblahhhhh –OH.. and NANCY disGRACE, yammering on about “TOT MOM”, and Cindy calling people “maggots”–of all things–in her front yard, etc).
The detectives had a great grasp of the situation in the FIRST 24 HOURS. (Not that it was so hard to grasp when you read Casey’s statement/listen to her interviews/realize that she gave them a bunch of totally bogus names, addresses, etc, and lacked any emotion about the fact that her child was “missing”/”kidnapped”).
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IIRC, they did question Ricardo about the “win her over with chloroform” MySpace entry.
In any event, I simply don’t see evidence that she used it for sexual purposes.
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I was not commenting on whether or not the defense’s proposed Jury Q will “fly”, as you put it.
Was only commenting on common practice here, which, as I stated, can vary from courtroom to courtroom.
In general, however, information about one’s life–education, employment, family make-up, race, religion, age, knowledge of and/or connection to any witnesses in the case, experience with crime, etc– are common inquiries. Part and parcel of making peremptory strikes. In fact, those are all covered by standard forms that are either sent out to prospective jurors by the county (e.g. Montgomery County, PA) when they are sent their summons to serve, or are provided at the courthouse when the jurors arrive to serve (e.g. Philadelphia County, PA).
What particular questions we get to ask the PANEL members when they are marshaled to the courtroom — IF ANY– DEPENDS. Some judges permit wide leeway; some do not permit much at all.
The only person who knows what will “fly” is Judge Strickland, as he will be making that ruling.
Same goes for how a judge allows the lawyers to MAKE OBJECTIONS DURING TRIAL. Some permit “speaking objections”; others require that you only state the basis with no explanation permitted for it in front of the jurors. So… it depends.
To many questions that are posed here, I would give the same answer that law professors frequently give to young law students: “IT DEPENDS”.
The law –and trial work, in particular– is not as black & white as people would like it to be.
A small change in what seems like a common set of facts can alter rulings entirely.
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Haven’t read any other posts. Got a lot of my plate.
Pay Particular attention in Silver’s post to the “why” this case has reached the National Media heights it has. She is 1000% correct. I would also like to underscore her thoughts on activisim in some form. It is the one thing I cling to in regards to this case, and restoring Caylee’s legacy. If your inspired by this case for using a skillset or resource, DO SO.
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#208—Pam, great post. your list was so funny (but sad in a way that the Bozo Dream Team put that out.) I was wondering about the what does my spouse do and what is my favorite TV show (Dancing With The Stars) have to do with anything–goin HUH? Weird stuff—even I thought it was weird and I havent even seen a jury questionaire before!!!!!–so didnt have anything to compare it too? And i was thinking people pay lawyers good money to write this stuff?
dDEERMA#228 I agree that the Anthony’s thought KC was taking some “space time”, but by July 3rd, they were concerned because, they knew KC was incapable/too self absorbed for any long term care of Caylee, hence the “My Caylee is Missing” by Cindy.
I think that the fact that George’s first thought, which he admitted to in an interview with LE, of the bad smell in the car was “Please don’t let this be Caylee” is very telling, and they can’t undo that statement. Remember… they had been trying to find KC and even had Lee searching the clubs she was known to frequent. I think they had a deep 6th sense that something was terribly wrong by the 07/03 date, with KC avoiding them and not allowing them to talk to Caylee, and then finding the car 07/15 with the smell of “human decomp” put them in a complete panic. Cindy knew on some level something unthinkable happened, I think she purposefully went back to work, so that she could get George to go to work, so she be home alone and could find KC, and begin to “deal” with whatever KC had done, by herself, w/o involving George. I don’t think that she could completely wrap her mind around the fact that Caylee was dead, or she wouldn’t have called the police at all. I think their mode of “denial” started kicking in during those first few panic calls Cindy made, and when she heard KC say “Mom is right, maybe I’m just a spiteful bitch” Cindy on some level knew what her daughter had done. That’s when the cleaning of the car and the contents of the car began, I also think that with the family’s “help”, thats when the story evolved. Doesn’t anyone think its strange that the Anthony’s only set up “shop” for donations and media attention???? They never personally searched and in fact were angry and abusive to searchers, they didn’t want the body found. IMHO. And in their first conversations with LE they said they had never heard of Zenaida, it was later that they started coming up with stories of Zenaida. In those first days, CINDY decided “Caylee’s” gone, we must protect Casey and our FAMILY’S REPUTATION IN THE COMMUNITY. That is all Cindy had after 50 something years, not love from her husband or children, but the illusion of a perfect family in her community, Cindy had to protect that, more than protecting Casey, its all about Cindy to Cindy, the narcissists doesn’t fall far from the tree.
I also think that Annie’s issue, was admitting that she gave Casey Xanax, and possibly in a drunken party mood, Casey “joked” that she had Zanny the Nanny, which only Annie understood to mean Caylee was being given Xanax, thus the “problems” in the relationship from that point. Annie would be hesitant to admit to LE that she committed the felony of giving a controlled substance to KC, in fear of prosecution, and admitting that she knew KC gave it to Caylee as a babysitter, and not calling LE, or the Anthony’s, or DCF (FL child protective services)is a crime in and of itself.
Another issue I have is the “story” that KC saw Amy “sleepwalking” and hiding the money. What friend would then just go back to bed and let her “sleepwalking” friend bumble about? Wouldn’t you immediately wake the “sleepwalker”? Wouldn’t you have seen where she put the money, since you saw her “sleepwalking”? That is the lamest story, I am shocked that Amy bought it. She said she was never told she “sleptwalked” by anyone before, suddenly in front of KC she is… and is hiding money??? I’ve heard of people on drugs, under the influence hiding their drugs or alcohol and not being able to find it. Perhaps Amy had done that, and thats why she wanted to believe KC, no one wants to think their friend stole from them.
I just have no worries that the State will win both cases, KC has been able to tell her family these “tall tales”, which they swallowed with ease because I’m sure it was easier than dealing with KC’s temper, but the jury won’t. My brother, Crack head Bob (and we called him that with Love), used to tell these 30 minute lies to answer a simple question, people who are “pathological” liars tend to expand and expand on their stories. It always reminded me of a SNL character John Lovett (sp)played, the “yeah,thats the ticket” character, where someone would ask him the simpliest question and he would go on and on, and with each lie in his story, that went unchallenged by the other person he would say “Yeah, thats the ticket”"The elephant destroyed my car, so I was late to work, Yeah thats the ticket”.
Thanks, Silver.
Aside, I’ve been reading one more section of the latest 124 page collective ‘motions’ document, and see the argument for change of venue, includes a request for the change to be noticed sooner than later so that everything can go as smoothly as possible. (ie; don’t seat a jury in Orlando, try that, fail and have to do it all over somewhere else, as one reason).
Now, if the judge gives the change of V. a go-ahead, the defense wants to use the prep time to possibly hit the media to ‘balance the playing field’?? What would be stopping them from adding to the media in that case, and in doing so, hype it in Miami or wherever?
Blink, since George and Cindy Anthony are throwing everyone else under the bus and then driving back and forth over them, don’t you think it’s time George’s suicide (faked) note be released to the public.
I watched the LKL interview from last December. Are any bloggers voice stress experts or body language experts? I’d love to here their analysis of George when he’s asked who Caylee’s father is during that interview. (If that’s already been done, scuse me)
Sorry Martha, I was being sarcastic with the questions, by giving ridiculous answers. Favorite TV show, Dancing With the Stars, Profession if you could chose, Ballerina, as being ridiculous as to being a jury on the case. Didn’t mean to confuse anyone.
WESH has added to the ‘stats’ of the CA case by creating an anniversary of inditement list– things CA of the past year.
This includes Casey’s commissary account, which is now in the red at -7.45 dollars. Math is not my strong suit, but I can manage basic arithmetic and don’t know how this simple ‘dollars in-dollars out’ account works from the numbers given by WESH. There seems to be something missing–> 2605.26 total deposits into Casey’s account minus commissary purchases of 2,229.47 = -7.45 (???)
Either someone isn’t doing arithmetic very well, or need a new battery in their calculator, but how is this possible unless there’s money going out of that ‘commissary’ account for other purposes that is not recorded. Could some of that money have been used to pay Amy and the bank? (that doesn’t add up either– and doesn’t seem right that public donations to an accused go to pay back stolen money, unless the donors know that it might stop the charges from proceeding to trial).
Keeping the money low would be a benefit, promote donations and such.
Makes me wonder how much money was in the Mt. Dora account for Casey’s grandfather in care, when Casey stole from him?
awwwwwwwwwww Don’t you feel bad now?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-poor-101409,0,5978686.story?track=rss
Did she eat $100. worth of beef jerky and cheese dip that her daddy dropped off this month ALREADY? And to think she ordered spicy chili on her nacho’s and never got them! This made me shed a tear………. NOT!
……and to think- I’ve NEVER wrote bad checks or stole money from people or even THOUGHT of hurting a child let alone killing one…… and nobody feels bad enough for me to drop off cash and MO’s for my snack fund. I must be doing something wrong here!
Friday’s hearing, 9:30 a.m. in courtroom 10-A include (according to cfnews13)
1. Motion to Dismiss Due to Spoliation of Evidence
2. Response to Motion to Dismiss Due to Spoliation of Evidence and Motion to Compel Defense Witness List
3. State’s Motion to Strike Defendant’s Legally Flawed Motion to Dismiss Counts I and II
4. State of Florida’s Motion to Compel Reciprocal Discovery
5. Response to State of Florida’s Motion to Compel Reciprocal Discovery
Also, a status hearing on the check fraud case.
Taken care of. That might fly in some families but not in mine. Not in my neighborhood. No worries. Thanks for the photos.
I haven’t commented since reading the last document dump and seeing the pictures. Seems, I had to let it all sink in. For in the documents I found the “smoking gun” for me. And, it has left me cringing at the truth of what lies within the process.
You see I had envisioned a small little face with small little strips of tape. That’s all it would have taken. But, 9 inches of 2 inch wide tape? Not once but 3x’s?
From day one I have looked for facts and tried not to speculate. The fact that 3 long strips of tape applied across my mouth and nostrils would keep me from taking my next breath is beyond terrifying. The fact that Casey used those long strips of tape to around, (not just across her nostrils and mouth) is beyond being heinous..it is mortifying.
I feel that by not letting this case go into the oblivion from the public eye in any way I can, is my way of saying to the whole bunch connected with this…hell no, this is the USA and by gosh what you all are doing is wrong. This baby died a horrific death. And no piece of covering up, exploiting her death for monetary gain, slandering innocent people and ruining their lives…will be tolerated.
Blink, I posted on my first site, right here, when the question about the “O theory” was being thought of. I agreed it could be feasible. Now I must tell you, it is not feasable. One long piece on top of another….she meant for that baby to never breath another breath. As hard as it is to accept, I am of the opinion the juror’s will have a hard time seeing that little girl’s smiling picture and the tape strips and not see the truth.
I wish it could be speculation on my part, but, I do not speculate, I look for facts that will hold in a court of law. And, in my neck of the woods and from friends across the states, they think Casey’s already in jail and convicted. The fact that so many tragic happenings take away the shock value is sad. But, most of America has forgotten about this case. If we forget and let the Anthony’s and their entourage “rule the roost”, then we are letting them get away with it.
Yes, Silver, we must fight against our children being harmed and murdered. Each in our own way. Hope you win your case, and keep on fighting for what we all hold dear. Our own morale values.
Just my thoughts……..
Anyone want a laugh. Go to Orlandosentinel.com and read the KC latest. She’s out of jail money. Gotta love it. It’s hard to belive though.
A year ago today, a grand jury indicted Casey Anthony on a first-degree murder charge, among other criminal counts, in the death of her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony.
Since then, state prosecutors have released volumes of official case documents, including personal photographs from Casey Anthony’s computer, cell-phone records, forensic reports and other mind-numbing paperwork.
But there are other methods of tracking this case: Google hits for “Casey Anthony,” the times CNN’s Nancy Grace has babbled about the “tot mom,” and the number of sticks of beef jerky Casey Anthony has chowed down since deputies incarcerated the 23-year-old on Oct. 14, 2008.
7,900
Pages of discovery released by State Attorney’s Office.
7
Charges Casey Anthony faces:
•First-degree murder.
•Aggravated child abuse.
•Aggravated manslaughter of a child.
•Four counts of providing false information to law enforcement.
1,073
Photos released by State Attorney’s Office.
1,360,000
Google hits for “Casey Anthony.”
3,920
YouTube videos on “Casey Anthony.”
181
Nancy Grace shows dedicated to Anthony case.
366
Orlando Sentinel print stories and briefs about Anthony.
411
Total days Anthony has spent in jail (includes time she spent behind bars before the Oct. 14, 2008, murder indictment).
$2,605.26
Deposits in Casey Anthony’s bank account.
Beef jerky, chili and hot peanuts are off Casey Anthony’s menu at the jail today and possibly for the rest of the week.
Jail officials said she has no money in her jail account and cannot make any purchases at the jail’s commissary.
In fact, she’s in the red. She owes the jail’s commissary $8.95, jail records show.
Anthony, 23, wiped out her jail account on Oct. 8 when she purchased $30.29 worth of bottled water, three cans of jalapeno cheese dip, one can of cheese spread, ear buds and pony tail holders.
She also ordered chili with beanshot and spicy chips and hot peanuts, but they were denied because of insufficient funds.
http://www.wftv.com/news/21276357/detail.html
Casey’s Defense Wants Check Fraud Venue Change
Posted: 6:24 pm EDT October 12, 2009
Updated: 11:23 am EDT October 14, 2009
Casey Anthony’s defense team is asking for a change of venue for her check fraud trial, which could be scheduled at her next hearing on Friday. Her attorneys filed a motion to request the venue change (read motion).
Motion http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21293115/detail.html
Two interesting comments on the Sentinel Article. Looks like Lyon’s law students may be blogging instead of proof reading motions.
Has it occured to anyone – anyone – that Casey might be innocent and on remand in jail unnecessarily? If so, surely she deserves some small comforts? I am going to find out how I can send her money so she can feel a little better. My goodness. What happened to “innocent until proven guilty”???
Simondburton (10/14/2009, 1:48 PM )
Good news – further to my comment below – if you call the jail they will allow you to fund her account. I have put $20.00 in it, so it is at least back in the black. Remember – in this country – America – we are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Simondburton (10/14/2009, 2:00 PM )
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-poor-101409,0,1994013,comment-display-all.story
Silverspnr: regarding Casey Anthony and borderline personality disorder: many years ago, I have having trouble dealing with clients who were diagnosed as borderline PD. A psychiatrist explained it to me as a matter of becoming psychotic when under stress. Stress can do many different things to psych patients: some are depressed, some withdraw, some deal with it poorly. Some psychotics take a long process of becoming ill, but not borderlines. They are genuininely psychotic under stresses most of us would ignore. If Casey can be thus diagnosed, that has to be the way that Baez is going with the defense. The death of a child, with the how explained by Macaluso, would lead to Casey’s actions post mortem. Lyons would put up the argument for a lesser penalty than LWOP or death. Not ugly coping, but total psychosis that resolves and is forgotten when the stresses lessen.
(These are very difficult people to help. They do not learn from their experiences like most of us do.)
No more snacks for Casey Anthony
Beef jerky, chili and hot peanuts are off Casey Anthony’s menu at the jail today and possibly for the rest of the week.
12:21 p.m. EDT, October 14, 2009
Jail officials said she has no money in her jail account and cannot make any purchases at the jail’s commissary.
In fact, she’s in the red. She owes the jail’s commissary $8.95, jail records show.
Anthony, 23, wiped out her jail account on Oct. 8 when she purchased $30.29 worth of bottled water, three cans of jalapeno cheese dip, one can of cheese spread, ear buds and pony tail holders.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-poor-101409,0,5978686.story
Speaking of the jury questionaire…….have ya ever watched “Runaway Jury”
If I were litening to the defense and heard that Casey wrote her own name on the checks……I would say, “ok, that flies with me.” Just for the mere fact that I have been paid with checks that have had a signature that isn’t a name in the upper left hand corner. When I went to deposit them, no one questioned that one name wasn’t printed in the upper left hand corner. (they assume it has been cleared by the other bank).
If Amy gave her permission to use that money- two things would have to have happened.
1. Casey would sign her name to “all” the checks. Not sign Amy’s!
2. The Bank would have been notified by Amy that she wants to add Casey to her account and Casey would had to have gone in and signed all the appropriate papers at the Bank.
That way one doesn’t have to throw away the box of checks….they can still be used.
But, the fact that the second one Casey signed Amy’s name—–supid!!!
Amy didn’t give her permission.
To Silver’s reasons for general interest, I would add unprecedented access to documents and tapes. For lawyers, or judges, who do this work day in and day out, knowing everything behind the scenes is no big deal. To the layman, it is fascinating; a real window into investigations, as well as the machinations and strategies of attorneys in the trial process. Even though the OJ Simpson trial was aired on television, what was not permitted into trial was never heard by the general public.
All the players, the colorful, flamboyant, outrageous, and attention seekers that were associated, or have willfully associated themselves with this case, make it all the more interesting and compelling, like a carnival of characters in a crazy novel.
I think that it might be frustrating for an expert like Silver, who judges the process of real life everyday atrocities as part of her routine, to see this case as any more significant than others that go uncounted and unwatched by the masses. It really is not, she’s right.
But there are layers of stories, sub plot lines and unbelievable character development that put the alleged crime in a fuller context, especially for those not normally exposed to the insider info. Generally all of the dynamics and peripheral relationships that tell a complete cohesive tale about how or why the accused has arrived at the place where they are, for the most part, are omitted. Should all of this information be released? I’m not certain that it should. However, it is extraordinarily educational, and I admit that there is an entertainment element. That is why there are a multitude of fictional and real life crime stories on TV, and scores of books in the same genre. It’s interesting.
It is healthy for everyone to step back , which is what I do when I feel that I am investing too much energy into it all. I know that my involvement or interest has no impact on the outcome. Frankly, it shouldn’t and I really wouldn’t want it to. Sometimes, we all bounce our ideas around as if we had only read a novel, rather than seeing it as a real event. I guess we can lose perspective. However, I do want to see how it eventually all plays out. If that speaks of a flaw in character than I suppose I can ‘own’ that.
Maybe we should all stop pestering for legal analysis, and if someone chooses to post, they can do so without feeling any obligation to respond. Apologies Silver.
Last, if anyone has a particular aptitude, ability or even extra change that would serve mankind, in any form, even outside of the realm of what is discussed here, why not use it? I completely agree with that sentiment (and have acted on it as well).
Sorry for the long winded commentary.
Well said, and I would hope it goes without saying I would never wish anyone feeling obligated as an expert, although I know alot of us try our best for the good of the discussion. I feel fortunate when anyone contirbutes, at their absolute discretion to do so.
B
No more snacks! http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-poor-101409,0,5978686.story
The next time someone expresses their disbelief, or to those of us (me included) who keep asking, “How could a mother do that to her own child?” you could direct them to this article:
“Evil Sits at the Dinner Table”
http://tinyurl.com/yf2p3su
silverspnr, and Blink … I applaud your candor, and more so your veracity. It sickens me, deeply and most terribly, that there are a thousand other kids out there, murdered, missing, devalued, tossed like trash, who obtain no media attention at all, and have no voices rising in opposition to each and every wrong ever done them. Silence. For me, Caylee represents all of the unknown and frightened, suffering, wrongfully deceased children that I am not able to stand up for, because I don’t know who or where they are. That’s why I’m here, as much for this one as for all, any one of whom could well have been me.
Respectfully,
Gavi
If you want to send someone money, why send it to an accused baby killer? There are millions of starving children in the world. Have you helped them? There’s a hidden motivation in anyone sending KC Anthony money and it’s probably attention. You got mine but it’s probably not the kind you want. YUK!
The commissary report may be fueling the deposition of funds into Casey’s jail commissary fund… why?? Because of the MEDIA report (s) of today, the anniversary of Casey’s incarceration.
And to take this thought one step further, what would be the position of the defense ‘funding’, if not for media funding through it’s channels of paying for product, related to interviews, promises of funding the ‘team’ on trips, ABC’s role in paying meals, accommodation, for the inside story.
What would the status of the Caylee foundation set up from almost day-1? What of the funds from the ‘Caylee Marie Anthony’ trademark?
How much of this would be possible at the levels seen in this case, if NOT for media coverage, for Cindy hyping the media frenzie with her screaming at media or protestors in front of media, her constant ‘channel 6′s’…
They want to have a big fund for Casey’s defense team by selling photos, videos, along with interviews, and the more media hype, the more advertising, the more viewers… the more money in the defense fund.
Then they rant against the media, blame it, all the while, they fought the gag order to stop Cindy and George from being in front of the media because they needed them out there, to boost the media interest, keep the story going with as much drama as possible.
Anyone check to see if ‘Channel 6′ and other early Anthony-friendly media, was used in the exhibits attached to the recent venue change motion? WFTV certainly was, so too, the Sentinel. Did they pick and choose the media to use in their examples of the ‘problem’?
boz, right– Casey will NOT starve in jail, she will get her three squares per day, she will have access to free water to drink, to shower in too.
Joan(Canada)– great catch!! (post 199)
Supervising it’s students. Sounds like students were creating that document quickly, between exam cramming!!
I think someone was asking earlier this morning about a doc dump. I found this article posted a week ago:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-100709,0,3887466.story
Several motions in the first-degree murder case against Casey Anthony will be addressed at a hearing next Friday.
One of the topics to be discussed is a defense motion to dismiss. Casey Anthony’s defense claims they and their experts were prevented from properly inspecting the crime scene where her daughter’s remains were found in December.
Orange Circuit Judge Stan Strickland will hear the arguments for the motions at 9:30 a.m. on Oct. 16. Strickland will also preside over a status hearing in the check fraud case against Casey Anthony on the same day.
Casey Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter who went missing last summer. Casey Anthony waited 31 days to report her daughter missing and blamed her disappearance on a nanny, who investigators don’t believe exists.
Caylee Anthony’s remains were found in December, five months after she was reported missing, in a wooded lot just blocks from the Anthony family home.
In other developments today, Casey Anthony’s defense team will receive more investigative reports from prosecutors, a notice filed by the State Attorney’s Office said.
About 40 pages will be released to the defense. Most of those will be forensic entomology investigative reports, the state’s court filing said.
The documents are being released to the defense as part of the discovery process. The items will later be released to the public.
Other reasons we are so invested in this Caylee story: Nobody involved seems willing to play the parts we would think they should. Casey, the mom, never calls LE for help. Grandparents call for help, demand help but then start defending the only suspect. LE ignores several very simple tips that would have led to finding the body much earlier. A man who thinks he has found the body of a nationally televised missing child, takes pictures of a rattlesnake and does not keep pushing his information. The same man actually does find the body. Grandparent who defends mom/daughter tries to commit suicide after the remains are found. Grandparents try to obstruct justice and throw in with felons to start several foundations based on murdered grandchild. When we think it is all over until the trial, something happens again. The Defense team responds to evidence release in ways that don’t make sense. Check fraud case. Zenaida defamation case. Leonard Padilla. It never stops…What’s next? I couldn’t possibly guess.
lol. this must be a joke ppl. actually putting money in her account.
Didn’t the news report last week that there would be another doc dump this week? Wonder if it’s going to be tomorrow?
If she is so “innocent”, then WHY why WHY doesn’t she have a pic up of her daughter? If she is so “innocent” WHY aren’t people sending her home made crafts/memorabilia/albums etc. of CAYLEE !?
So, let her go! She won’t survive. Thats the ULTIMATE PUNISHMENT, and she KNOWS it!
This chick is DEMENTED. She does NOT have a SMI. She is just a Vial/Cruel/MALOVENT/Selfish/Lieing/Stealing/Cheating/Promiscuous/Habitual liar. She LOVES/THRIVES/LAUGHS at the imbosol/no minds that have the decency to send her $, or even give her the time of day! She LIVES for people that bow down to her.
I say….Judge, AQUIT the low life scum let her try and walk out of the Jail House, LMAO…She wouldnt even make it to the STEPS! -Of course, if this were to happen she would be killed and nobody would ever get answers-But come on, does it look like we’re ever going to??? NO
Casey not getting her ‘snacks’ is not even news worthy. I’m so angry that people buy into the hype. Personally, if I’m going to donate to any cause, it’s going to be a charity that actually helps people. IMO, contributing to Casey’s commissary fund is the equivalent of donating to HER cause.
#263 – Shelly, and to anyone else on here who weeps for this child…
Your views are so similar to mine on this case. I get so emotional at times due to sheer frustration. My mind wraps around the horrors that the evidence has shown me (no speculation whatsoever in the many lies, cover-ups, blatantly NOT reporting little Caylee missing, the videos of check fraud, the photographs taken in June and July, the 911 calls)…my mind wraps around the horror of what was done to this child like that duct tape.
After Susan Smith admitted her crime and that kindly Sheriff Wells (who had known her most of her life) came out and held that press conference on that rainy night so long ago, some small part of me has never been the same. I was horrified and very angry; so much so that words cannot even begin to describe my feelings. I thought I would have to seek therapy to stop my depression over what she did to those babies and I never thought I would feel that way again about a “case”. I thought I had learned how to step it back and out of the box. I was wrong.
I wept for Andrea Yates and her children because I believe Andrea’s case is very, very rare and JMO, she is a poster child for insanity. I am sorry if that offends some of you. I just happen to believe that mental illness is real, though rare for this crime. However, it appears that this crime is not rare….killing a child…I am just saying that I think there are some plain evil, narcissistic, selfish mothers out there who may want others to believe they are mentally ill…they in fact are not…not even close…just evil. Even though there have been others, and I don’t even want to spew their names, this one has done it to me again.
Not one single day since July 16th, 2008 has gone by that I didn’t think, wonder, ask, seek answers as to how, why, for what possible reason Casey would do what I believe she did. My family has gotten irritated with me because they don’t understand why I have to mention it so often. It’s become a distraction almost in daily life. I pray for justice every day.
The holidays of 2008 were very sad for me. I had joined a couple of forums under the one and only pseudonym I had ever used and as disagreements formed between folks, because of speculation, I would move on until finally I had my own, where I insisted there be no fighting, no name calling, no haters, just facts. I had hundreds of cyber friends and went on to pay for my own server under that ONE pseudonym. On Christmas Day last year, my husband who had just come back from a LE conference in Orlando, sat down next to me and said, “You must stop this.” He explained how sad it made him that he HAD to live with the most horrible of memories but he could not bear me living the way I was, on the computer 18 or more hours a day, questioning, performing my own tests to see the outcome, making excuses for not spending time with my family, friends and then eventually church. There was a “mutiny” of sorts that next week and I walked away from the case.
I secretly still cried at times but I stopped watching Nancy Grace and stopped looking for any tidbit I could find on the case. The document dump of February 18, 2009 became a secret file on my computer…like that hidden cigarette that was taped to the bottom of my hatbox in a hatbox in another hatbox on the top shelf of my closet for 5 years. I am ashamed.
I stopped talking about it and went into clandestine mode with family and friends and kept my mouth shut until about the end of July this year when I just broke down one night and tried to find BLINK (I had always loved her posts and thinking) from the old days. I found her, tried a new pseudonym, and I try not to post too much.
In August, I did my shovel experiment with my hubby watching me, yet he supported my need to do it, and I never stopped reading and studying my long-term love affair entomology. I still believe THE SMOKING GUN, for me at least is in those reports we have yet to see. I don’t hide my screen or minimize it anymore when a loved one walks into my office, but I don’t obsess about it either…what will be, will be.
I trust enough in LE, the FBI, our Judicial System to let it play out, whatever the outcome. I trust in God enough to serve up his justice, as it is never with any speculation!!
This all said, yesterday, I pulled out my secret file from February 18.
According to the American Anthropological Association, more than 200 women kill their children in the United States each year. Three to five children a day are killed by their parents. Homicide is one of the leading causes of death of children under age four, yet we continue to “persist with the unrealistic view that this is rare behavior,” says Jill Korbin, expert on child abuse, who has studied mothers who killed their children.
A look at the rolls of women who are currently on death row, and the crimes that put them there, shows that women who kill their children are indeed not as rare as we would like to believe. Of the 49 women on death row, 11 killed children.
Korbin says there are usually clues that are obvious to those around parents who end up killing their children. “Prior to a homicide, lots of lay people know these men and women are having difficulty parenting. The public has to be better educated in recognizing how to intervene and how to support child abuse prevention,” she said.
In looking back over the last 15 months…were there clues that Casey could have/would have killed Caylee. I think so. I think they were hidden deep in the skeletons of a family that was too proud see the problem. So where does that leave us, the public, neighbors, for friends, family and acquaintances of Casey, Cindy, George and Lee. Most of those we have heard from, well, they don’t paint the picture of a murderous Casey. So, some look to accident. The horror is too much for many to take in.
For me, the facts, and the sheer facts of what I read in the evidence and believe is death penalty warranted pre-meditated murder. I look forward to when I am over this whole sad case. I fear that day will never come.
PP-
Finding balance in activism is a struggle for me as well. I think Silver did a great job, as well as others, reminding us to work at just that. Thank you for sharing such a personal insight.
B
sosad, I think I heard there would be another doc dump soon. And we also can expect the 40 pages of mostly entomology reports being released to the defense (see above post).
Shelley- #263
Well stated. Same reaction here.
Westside-
You bet. Florida Sunshine laws.
And thank you for understanding my POV.
As to the legal analysis… I try to explain things when I have time. I understand that people are curious, and there are some topics that are useful to discuss. I wish someone (else–lol!) would start a whole new blog on the case and discuss nothing other than the legal points though.
All-
Caylee’s death IS representative of many heinous, atrocious, and cruel murders of children at the hands of those who should be protecting them against the evils of this world. I suppose the fact that THIS particular case has received so much national media exposure is a good thing if it wakes people up. IF.
Are we all aware of Allan Schoenborn, who is charged with the first degree murder of his 3 children –which took place just a couple months before Casey killed Caylee?? Nahhhh. Probably not (perhaps our friends up North? Kleat? joan (from Canada)?? I only learned of it recently from forcing my attention to other cases outside of the Caylee case/outside of those in local jurisdictions here.
Anyway-
Schoenborn (allegedly)SMOTHERED HIS SONS, AGES 5 and 8, and VICIOUSLY STABBED HIS DAUGHTER, AGE 10. He is on trial for all 3 murders RIGHT NOW. (I say allegedly in parenthesis only because he admitted to it on tape after he was arrested, and because his motive was fairly obviously clear: anger/revenge at his wife, who told him that their marriage was over the day before the killings).
My point is this:
I bet any one of us could look up cases in our local jurisdictions and find other trials where the defendant is charged with the HEINOUS, ATROCIOUS & CRUEL murder of his/her own child/children.
(B-I guess that’s why I don’t have such a hard time imagining that Casey intentionally snuffed out Caylee’s very last breath. JADED. It happens. And yet.. I still get tears or sick to my stomach at times when I imagine what she did. So not TOO jaded.)
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Kleat-
True, but…IMO, it’s not great victory if they get the fraud case moved from Orlando. The evidence of record is the evidence of record. There is NO justifiable/legal defense to what she did. Amy can easily dispel any notion that she gave permission for Casey to use her checkbook, and there is sufficient evidence of Casey’s activities to show that she did not steal the money out of any alleged desperation (still not a justifiable/legal defense).And didn’t she ADMIT stealing Amy’s money to Cindy?? The jury will see proof of her shopping at Target, and more than that, they will see the items she purchased. DONE deal.
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Sorry to change the tone, but HOLY S on the food orders. That is more than mere boredom. It is apparent that she feels/is EMPTY, and no matter where she is or what she does, she simply cannot fill herself. Not with boys. Not with sex. Not with food. (I have always been curious about the phone calls Casey made to Papa John’s and Broadway Ristorante within minutes of each other on 6/18/08 or there abouts. Normally I would say that she and Tony–and whomever– were probably just high and had the munchies, but that was not a pattern with that crowd, so it sticks out in my memory. This was right around the time she texted Amy and asker her to “cheer me up, Lady”. Someone was feeling in need of cheering up and rather EMPTY all of a sudden. Mere speculation/inadmissible. Just “food for thought”–pun intended;)
Silver-
You are far from jaded, and that word would not even enter the queue.
I have considered the legal blog, and I think it is brilliant, but our lawyers advised against it, LOL.
Ok out of respect for you I did some research on the Schoenborn case. I am sorry I did. But your point is well taken.
Friday morning is going to be a a cluster, hopefully of the good kind.
B
interesting that baez is blaming the internet for saying negative things about casey! blah blah blah he goes on and on!!!
The only untold story of Caylee is:
How long was Caylee being ignored and shunned aside by Casey while Casey got her rocks off with her boy toys?
How did Casey kill Caylee?
How much did Caylee suffer?
Why did Casey let Caylee decompose in the car and then throw her out by the side of the road when so many loving people would have raised Caylee and loved her?
How can Cindy and George keep up their new profession of contemptent, ugliness and control while lieing about how their precious grand daughter died all the while collecting blood money as a bounty that they feel entitled to?
CBS has been blocked out of my remote controll as of today.
Casey Anthony: Defense team tells CBS’ ’48 Hours Mystery’ that ‘somebody else is the killer of this child’
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Casey Anthony’s defense team disputes that duct tape was around Caylee Anthony’s mouth and points to a stranger as the child’s killer in an interview to air this weekend on “48 Hours Mystery.”
“The state has led you to believe that there’s duct tape around the mouth,” attorney Linda Kenney Baden tells CBS’ Maggie Rodriguez. “All we can say is that’s going to be a disputed issue.”
On the duct tape, DNA was found that belongs to an unidentified person, and that evidently is key to the defense’s approach. Anthony is charged with the first-degree murder of her child, Caylee. (Caylee is pictured.)
“A stranger. It was a stranger involved,” attorney Todd Macaluso says.
“Somebody else is the killer of this child,” Kenney Baden adds.
The program will air at 10 p.m. Saturday on WKMG-Channel 6. Those questioned include George and Cindy Anthony, Casey’s parents; Jesse Grund, Casey’s former fiance; Zenaida Gonzalez, who is suing Casey for defamation; and John Morgan, Gonzalez’s attorney.
Rodriguez cited the interview with defense attorneys Kenney Baden, Macaluso and Jose Baez as the headline from the hour, which is called “The Untold Story of Caylee Anthony.”
“They gave me the sense they will challenge all of the physical evidence,” Rodriguez said in a phone interview. “They give me four or five examples of evidence they say is bogus, tainted or not true.”
Anthony’s attorneys are convinced that she can be acquitted, Rodriguez said. “I don’t think it’s just what they think they should say. I think they believe it,” she said. “They believe they have enough to plant a seed of doubt.”
The attorneys complain that the media have convicted their client already and that’s why they want the trial moved to Miami or somewhere else, Rodriguez said.
So why go on national television?
“It’s better to have their point of view represented,” Rodriguez said.
Rodriguez stressed that she interviewed several people who have been hurt by the case, notably Grund.
“Jesse told us how he doubts Casey’s innocence,” Rodriguez said. “He takes us into that home and the family dynamics. He raises a lot of red flags and says George and Cindy aren’t telling the truth.”
In the program, Grund calls Casey “this dark, selfish, remorseless individual” and says he isn’t sure what she’s capable of.
Rodriguez has interviewed George and Cindy Anthony before for “The Early Show.” “We make them answer tough questions,” Rodriguez said of Saturday’s show. “We dig a whole lot deeper.”
The program reveals that the Anthonys have turned their home into a shrine to Caylee and they keep her death certificate out in the open. Cindy says, “It [Caylee] wasn’t Casey’s child. It was our child. She belonged to all of us.”
Rodriguez said she didn’t know about any licensing fees paid on the program, but called it a standard industry practice. She spent many months on Saturday’s program, which she described as comprehensive. She dismissed the criticism that the hour is premature.
“I don’t think there’s anything wrong with telling the story,” she said. “It leaves the door open to do another hour when it’s resolved. Hopefully, I’ll be talking to Casey, in or out of jail.”
But she said she has not been promised an interview with Anthony. What does Rodriguez want to ask her?
“I want to know why she didn’t report her daughter missing for a month,” Rodriguez said. “That’s what critics of the defense say could be her undoing. Even though a lot of evidence is circumstantial, they’ll have a hard time explaining her behavior during the month Caylee was missing.”
So again, the defense will be spouting their clients innonence. Does anybody else find it ironic that they are filing all these motions saying the media is judging Casey when they are on national TV doing exactly the same thing. Sure hope Judge Strickland puts a stop to this. I for one, will not be watching this program as I expect no ‘new revelations’.
CASEY’S JAIL ACCOUNT IN THE NEGATIVE
Casey’s jail account is in the red by $8.95.
Since Casey has been behind bars, she has spent over $2,000 on a variety of items, including more than 30 beef sticks, 58 cans of jalapeno dip and 41 bags of chips.
my my my
I wonder why Daddy Jo-Jo is no longer funding the chili dip. I think Casey may be just too full of hotsa, already! The extra lbs.around her middle are accumulatin’ rapidemente. (Can’t help the snark.)
IMO, people trying to make her feel “better” by contributing to her account have a strange, misplaced benevolence, or, they want to be different — anything to be against the wind of popular sentiment. Well, serial killers have fan clubs and some women even marry monsters in jail. All kinds of odd behavior from “good people” follow high-publicized criminals.
What excuses do these philanthropists have for Casey living the good life for thirty-one days whilst her baby rotted in a swamp located walking distance from the old homestead? And never reporting her child missing at all! And afterwards, implicating anyone else she could for the evil deed! Boggles my mind.
Their defense arguments for Miz Anthony, other than someone else did it, are usually limited to nonsensical versions of “She was afraid to report Caylee missing” or “Casey had a breakdown”. As someone previously suggested, there are better causes and ways for do-gooders to donate their bucks.
I am not impressed by such largesse as donating to her snack account.. I don’t want Casey Anthony to feel “better”. The fact that she is able to swill so much garbage in jail tells me that her dead baby meant absolutely nothing to her.
This perp will get a fair trial. No lynch mobs needed or desired. However, I hope she chokes on every high-caloric hotsy bite.
I hear ya. I know. Now live to fight another day for Caylee.
B
I can’t remember where I saw this commentary concerning sociopaths and narcissists, if it was here, I apologize for the repeat. It was concerning Casey and her possibility of eventually confessing and giving detailed information on how, when, why, where, etc. It said that in order for Casey to “confess”, or surrender any details, she would have to be under the belief that something was going to be in it for her, for her to “gain” something out of it. Ofcourse, I would think that an avoidance from the death penalty would be enough incentive
Joan(Canada)– interesting, thanks. Note Cindy’s ‘switcheroo’ on the ‘she’s everyone’s child, … and ‘not Casey’s child’ as this flies in the face of her answer to investigators who asked why she didn’t go looking for the baby or do something earlier– she said ‘She belongs to Casey’. (not their responsiblity)
Interesting switch…
“The state has led you to believe that there’s duct tape around the mouth,” attorney Linda Kenney Baden tells CBS’ Maggie Rodriguez. “All we can say is that’s going to be a disputed issue.”
“A stranger. It was a stranger involved,” attorney Todd Macaluso says.
“Somebody else is the killer of this child,” Kenney Baden adds.
OMG … gag me with a spoon. HOW do these people say these things with a straight face?! I mean … seriously!
Wow, the defense claims a “stranger” is now the culprit. They wait a year for that deduction? So how many is that now they’ve switched to? The nanny, Jesse Grund, others, and now, in more detail than ever before, a stranger. If they believed that, they would be out there looking for this phantom stranger, instead of going on morning shows. I think Spindy’s vow to attempt to change public opinion has backfired. Does anyone know if the defense has even produced their last claim of supposed “proof of innocence”? I find it interesting that the state is just sitting back and watching this crack team implode
#294 Kleat
“It [Caylee] wasn’t Casey’s child. It was our child. She belonged to all of us.”
What stands out even more to me than the switcheroo is the wording she uses (if this is actually quoted directly from Cindy and not a typo by the media). “‘It’ wasn’t Casey’s child? ‘It’ was our child” Since when is a beautiful, innocent baby girl an “it” instead of a person?” WTH???? Doesn’t surprise me in the least that this quote allegedly came out of Cindy Anthony’s mouth. Stupid is as stupid does. Feeling somewhat snarky tonight … sorry Blink … just getting more infuriated by the day on this case.
I for one have pledged to make a difference in the lives of children since this case overwhelmed my attention over a year ago, starting with my young son and twin girls. I wish I had the time to do even more for all those out there who have no one to stand up for them as well, but it has to start somewhere, right? Like Gandhi said so eloquently, “Be the change you want to see in the world”. The first step begins with you.
Todd, doesn’t seem that they have had that satisfactorily answered yet– except something like, it’s all in the state’s documents.
Not sure how the judge will handle that one, except to maybe put the state and defense in the same room and say ‘settle this, children’. (and hope there are no casualties!!)
(snark alert– but thot that was obvious enough for a post-fact-o-warning)
It’s worth a revisit/relisten to Judge Strickland’s comments as he makes his decision about ‘bond’ (substantial bond):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESjK7FSZV38&feature=related
Re her mental condition– “I can’t begin to describe”… quoting Judge Strickland.
“Past conduct here is” … ‘strange’…. ‘difficult to describe’… ‘conduct is continuing…’…. ‘I have a problem with her behaviour continuing’… “K9 cadaver dog alerting… back yard… car… will keep me up tonight”…
“I have some problems with the fact that her conduct hasn’t changed… not a bit of useful information has come from Ms. Anthony… her past and present conduct… I don’t see much of a willingness to help the investigation…”