Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Roy Kronk Fired For Undisclosed Reasons- Updated

Posted by BOC Staff | Casey Anthony,Caylee Anthony Case,George Anthony,Roy Kronk | Thursday 29 October 2009 1:20 pm

Orlando, FL- Roy Kronk, the infamous meter reader who after three attempts finally located the remains of 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony, has been fired from his position as a County employee today.

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Kronk failed to show up for a pre-determination hearing for the first step of an undisclosed disciplinary proceeding according to Orange County Utilities. 

“Roy Kronk was scheduled to attend a pre-determination hearing yesterday to address issues pertaining to his employment with the County. He failed to show for the hearing, and a decision has been issued terminating his employment effective immediately,” the county wrote Kronk’s lawyer. “Therefore, the County shall not pay any legal fees associated with representing Mr. Kronk that are incurred from this point forward.”

 

Update#1 I received this email from David Evans, Roy Kronk’s Attorney.

 

 

I have received a number of inquiries today regarding the decision by Orange County Utilities to terminate Roy Kronk’s employment yesterday.  I am furnishing this statement on Mr. Kronk’s behalf.  Mr. Kronk is the Orange County Utilities worker who found the remains of Caylee Anthony.

 

The termination of Mr. Kronk relates to a difference of opinion between Mr. Kronk and Orange County regarding a workplace injury sustained by Mr. Kronk in the course of his job duties at an Orange County Utilities warehouse.   This dispute arose because Mr. Kronk’s management directed him to resume work duties after his injury, and Mr. Kronk and his health care providers did not consider it to be safe or medically appropriate to resume those duties at this time. 

 

Mr. Kronk is evaluating his legal options relating to his termination.  In the meantime, Mr. Kronk is volunteering his time to a veteran’s group in Osceola County–he is providing counseling to military veterans to help ease their adjustment to civilian life.

David Evans

 

Update #2

Roy Kronk injured his kneck and shoulder while lifting boxes in the Utilities warehouse.

 

 

 

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428 Comments

  1. dee says:

    ok why didnt Roy show up?

  2. TOY says:

    I’m lifting my own words from SM but this is what I think…

    Were I to guess, I would venture that they have been looking for some reason to dismiss the man since he “embarrassed” the sheriff’s department and/or brought so much unwanted attention to their department.

    More than likely they have had him under the microscope just waiting for one misstep in order to terminate without it appearing to be without cause. You know…much like they used to terminate a woman who filed charges for sexual harrassment or minorities for discrimination. They saw that he was going to become a very expensive employee to keep on payroll…

    Just my opinion but I think it sounds like a termination just waiting to happen. Perhaps they even assigned him tasks beyond his ability…when an employee becomes a liability (whether by publicity or cost), employers begin to seek a way to rid themselves of said employee.

    This man never stood a chance…in my opinion. They probably weighed this dismissal against whether or not he could afford to obtain a skilled legal team to sue for wrongful termination. If they did “set him up to fail,” I hope someone steps up pro bono.

  3. wpgmouse says:

    Ties that bind were cut before his November 19 deposition. He is no longer a County employee, but a “civilian”.

    Interesting.

    Looking forward to any upcoming comments by Mr. Padilla.

  4. Pammy says:

    Something isn’t right here. I’m in management for a large company. If an employee hasn’t been cleared to return to work by their physician, we don’t let them in the door. Too much liability. I highly doubt Orange County would be any different.

    I wonder if it was a my doc vs. your doc issue. If I find out he hired Paul Kelley… T H U D
    B

  5. wpgmouse says:

    Ha, simultaneous typing.

    Thanks for the update, Blink.

  6. lily says:

    My guess is – Kronk wants it both ways. He isn’t able to make any of the publicity $$ that everyone else in the case is doing right now while being county employee yet he left the door open enough to sue said county in case that doesn’t work out. He’s hoping his double down will work both ways. JMO

  7. Pammy says:

    #4 – Very well could be. I guess Mr. Kronk is a loose cannon what with searching for missing children on work hours and now this. (tongue in cheek)

  8. suz says:

    Kinda’ hard to stay fired from county jobs, though Cain has surprised me in this regard. I think there’s a likelihood that he’ll get his job back, or get a settlement.

  9. Granmomma says:

    Glad to see it’s really not related to the Anthony’s or their bus in any way. Wonder how many times he’s questioned himself about doing the “RIGHT” thing….. Only the person behind this will ever truly know what the REASON is.

  10. suz says:

    Cain is probably having a good laugh today, lol.

  11. Momof3 says:

    I know many of the people who have found themselves or placed themselves into this story have had $ on their minds others have not. So many people’s lives will never be the same.
    I wonder if Mr. Kronk wishes he had never became involved. For now his life & troubles are open for all to inspect.-
    Thanks for the updates Blink

  12. PamTX says:

    WESH news has stated; “Kronk’s lawyer David Evans tells WESH 2 News that Kronk was fired over an issue related to worker’s compensation.”
    IMO since half of the writers of these articles either can’t spell or articles are seldom proofread, I am wondering if “workers compensation” was just an assumption on the writers part, or if Roy Kronk actually had filed a case with Workers Compensation. Anyone in upper management knows how difficult it is to “fire” somebody once they have filed with WC, even if they failed to attend a disciplinary hearing. Orange County better have their ducks in order that’s for sure. If Roy was under doctors care and Orange County had been provided written doctor instructions of Roy’s limitations, then I say “oh oh” to OC. Hopefully his doctor is legit. But many times Workers Comp. ALSO has doctors they want you to see (second opinion/verification). This will be interesting.

    IMO whether you like Roy or not, the day that he put himself in the spotlight of discovering little Caylee, was the day the County could see huge dollar signs dancing out their doors. Which indeed WAS important enough for OC to put down on paper in their letter to Kronk’s attorney….(Roy’s fired and oh, by the way, we’re done paying). And isn’t that sad? If Roy were an upstanding guy with a little better appearance, was a banker instead of a meter reader, would we view the “discoverer” of little Caylee different?

    I still have a hard time personally figuring out Roy Kronk and the circumstances leading up to him finding Caylee, but even his termination from OC is making news and not even related to the alleged murder of Caylee Anthony….or is it?

  13. westsidehudson says:

    #6_lily

    Agreed.

  14. Sal says:

    Regarding Kronk’s legal fees….

    I would think that legally the state will still be obligated to pay any legal fees pertaining to Kronk’s discovery of Caylee. He was working at the time of discovery and a 911 call actually came from the Orange County department dispatch stating that he was working and made the discovery.

    Thoughts?

  15. Carol says:

    Something doesn’t jive with Kronk….

  16. Carol says:

    Hey Mark NeJame gave him the $5,000 for finding Caylee, now he can do another stand-up gesture – he can defend him free of charge!!

  17. Kleat says:

    Win Win for the county. This case is escalating and they are cutting losses and gambling that his no-show will be their valid excuse.

  18. Kleat says:

    Win win for the county. I’m not even venturing a guess as to how this part of the case will play out– the county IS involved in the Caylee case, no matter what. Their call to police about the body.

    Erin Brokovich, one of my fav documentary style real life films. Now if the play ‘Tot Mom’ isn’t enough to satisfy the producers, then they can wait until all this is over, and what a true life documentary style film they can make with, not so much Casey, but Cindy and her private entourage, and undercurrents of DC, MB, PK, D&S M’stds, PI Lee and Aunt Mallory, and all the Cindy directed roles (the P&G (?) chrome VI defendant side). Forget the case, that’s just going to provide the wrap up scene, it’s the manipulation, deception, the set up scenarios of proof at so many levels.

    Erin Brokovich to the rescue– a woman, mother, child advocate, humanitarian, and downright outspoken sometimes tactless, uneducated ‘natural’ tenacious investigator.

    Well the docu writers of a good script and film production about the work of the ‘underground railroaders’ have to change that somewhat as Blink doesn’t fit this well past the woman, mother and tireless child advocate.

    Eric Blinkovich– love that character– I want to be listening and reading when Blink presents her ‘We had that water brought in just for you’ moment!!!

    teehee
    B

  19. TOY says:

    Isn’t there insurance to cover an employers’ workman’s comp issues? I may have misinformation about this but I thought there was.

    However, I doubt there is insurance written that covers an employee’s discovery of a murdered child while on the job.

    I just think OC found a way it thought it could get out from under the money going out for legal reasons related to Caylee’s discovery.

    Just sayin’

  20. Kleat says:

    I better clarify– was saying that our own Erin Blinkovich would be a skilled diplomat (vs tactless), educated, well-travelled, thinker behind the scenes– weaving the real picture, added to the tireless child advocate, humanitarian, passionate like Erin (so what, says Mr. CIA ;) ), and smart as a whip, like Erin. I think NJ weather means Erin’s wardrobe may be somewhat different too, and uses to which said wardrobe put, but all to a good end.

    (The producers would be wise to make it not a ‘who dunnit’– no fun watching two hrs to find THAT out, and the center of the story would not be about Casey at all– she’d actually have a minor role, just the reason for the real story we haven’t got completely written yet.)

    How very kind Kleat, but trust me, I have a 3rd grade education compared to some of my counterparts and colleagues who are kind enough to share the workload. Deep down, I am just a lady that hopes something I say or do will have a positive effect on the universe and maybe put some wins in the “powers for Good” column.
    Peace and Love Y’all.
    B

  21. suz says:

    I do recall (from a past life with the Postal Service), folks who were out on disability for back injuries getting caught doing heavy lifting around their houses (one guy was building a garage while he was out on disability, one guy got caught doing his side job as an Elvis impersonator with all the requisite back straining gyrations that go with it, etc.). Not saying that’s what happened here, but as others have noted, it’s tough for companies to discharge you after filing a WC claim. The postal guys got their jobs back, probably thanks to their union, but even without a union (assuming Kronk isn’t in one), the county is going to have a tough time with this I think.

  22. dddeerma says:

    I have to agree that if Kronk has a reputable doc, the County may be in trouble. They will end up paying compensation, wages AND the lawyer’s fees that they think they are avoiding. Can’t he make a good case that his att’y fees should be paid since he was a county employee at the time of his finding the remains? Or, was he just lucky to have any fees paid at all? HIs only crime would be that he was more diligent than Richard Cain.

  23. TOY says:

    By the way, I suppose I should mention that I have not kept abreast of Kronk’s involvement past his discovery of Caylee.

    I never considered himself a major player in the case but perhaps (given the responses I have read thus far) I should read more about him…especially in light of the fact that I don’t even know why he’s incurred the legal costs, etc. in the first place.

    I reacted to his firing from observation of “mistreatment” of others I have seen when they rocked the boat in any fashion within their employment. Generally what I have seen whether it be illness, workman’s comp, or legal action…if it involved payout from the employer in any fashion, the employee was suddenly under the microscope for any transgression (regardless of how minor) that could lead to dismissal.

  24. OnASeriousNote says:

    I don’t usually embed myself into new threads so early, but I wish a different person other than Roy Kronk had found Caylee. Someone who is not mired in personal obligations and possible lack of character, as well as suspicion regarding his agenda.

    Short and sweet. He was the person who found Caylee—not killed her. It would have been prudent not to have found her on Company time—three times on Company time, IIRC, and have drawn them into it. He did collect a honkin’ reward, didn’t he? I was happy that he got some help with legal counsel (especially where the civil suit is concerned), but he also got a big payout, which I’m sure implied that he’ll be relied on to certify his testimony, regardless of who/what/when needs it. He’s another one I’m trying to give benefit and leeway to.

    Remember, enough time had passed that he knew what publicity and implications were going to arise from his finding. I do think he’s trying to capitalize, like others, on his involvement in the case, but I would hope he would not think that he should put his job in jeopardy and rely on a perpetual gravy train spewing from Caylee’s death.

    Bottom line. He should be afforded the same anonymity as anyone else drawn in collaterally. He’s been cleared of involvement in her death and the placement of her body, right? How come we don’t have a blow-by-blow of what the other “players” in this case have on their plate? Has Amy or Annie been promoted in their jobs since all of this? Wait…what are their jobs, anyway? How’s the tow company guy who threw the trash in the dumpster faring these days?

    I’m happy Roy Kronk found Caylee, but I’m disturbed why I’m reading his name in places other than on the prosecutor witness list, or in areas directly related to the case. The article discusses an on-the-job dispute between Roy Kronk and his employer, involving the Utilities Warehouse, no less. Really, this isn’t a dispute because he sprained his ankle while peeing in the woods on Company time while finding a body. Or is it?

    I admit…I’m confused by the whole thread. Please, Blink…don’t hold it against me.

  25. PamTX says:

    Here is what I call Roy’s “pink slip” termination letter:

    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21466826/detail.html

    Roy’s “meeting” was to take place on October 27 at 1:00 p.m. and he failed to show. This “Employee Change Notice” is signed/dated that same day by Ron Nielsen, Interim Deputy Director, Utilities Department. It is not date-stamped by HR until the 29th. But according to this letter Roy was terminated on the 27th for what appears to be violation of personnel policies, medical reasons, (code of conduct — can’t recall).
    However, on the first page (of 3), and the official release form, under “Reasons For Action” is states “Health Reasons”.

    Looks like he wore out his welcome and the county has been diligently documenting for awhile now. This is just my personal observation, but this is what I find interesting:

    Oct. 20, 2009: According to WFTV, Biaz files for deposition of Roy Kronk at 4:29 p.m. (Depo. set for Nov. 19, 9:00 a.m.) (along with the State filing a release of information to the Defense earlier that same day).
    Oct. 21: The above two filings are posted on the WFTV website
    Oct. 24/25: Weekend
    Oct. 27: Roy Kronk is terminated for “Health Reasons” with a 2-page letter of explantion.

    Coincidence, Karma, or just really bad luck for Mr. Kronk.

  26. ProvokingPoirot says:

    Some of you may not like me saying this, but here goes. Roy Marvin Kronk has always caused me some concern; yet I am so thankful Caylee was found because I am afraid that her killer, whom I believe to be her mother, would not be in jail today if the remains had not been found. I have seen a copy of Roy Kronk’s background check. I won’t post it here unless Blink asks for it. There is something that goes “DING!DING!DING!” with me and it is basically that if a person is telling the truth, they don’t have trouble remembering, IMHO. He has not stayed “the course” with his story and I think, as time goes on, you might just learn some unsettling things about Kronk and the discovery of Caylee’s remains.

    Roy Kronk, not exactly the hero we all thought he was when we found out he is a dead beat dad, being looked for by the Maryland state child support enforcement agency. Kronk turned over $5,000.00 of the $7,000.00 allegedly paid to him by ABC for the rattlesnake picture and says that Maryland can garnish his wages in Florida for the rest of the over $10,000.00 he still owes his children. With Roy Kronk we have the new facts that the first two times he called in the black bag with the white “skull” or something that looked like a human skull, he was with two friends, fellow workers with him when he made the “gruesome discovery”. Roy Kronk made this discovery of the black bag with the skull on his first day on that particular route. Per the Orange County Sheriff report dated February 5, these three guys were even talking on that 11th day of August 2008 about where would Casey dumped the body of her daughter. Roy admits “he and his friends were talking about the theory of where Casey may have disposed of Caylee since this was a high profile news story and they were around the corner from the Anthony’s residence.” Kronk did not say, “Could a missing child be in those woods”, instead, it was “Did Casey dispose of her daughter, Caylee Anthony’s remains in those woods” …. from day one, it appears by Kronk’s statements. Roy Kronk became fascinated with the black bag and the human skull. Two of his fellow meter readers were with him, see page 7-9 on report of the interviews], one remembers Roy pointing out the black bag and saying “Hey look there is a human skull there”, but that man did not see the black bag and the skull that Roy was pointing to and after they found and killed the rattlesnake, the snake became the focus of these three guys conversation and the human skull and the black bag was forgotten over the excitement of a rattlesnake. One of the guys took it, the now dead rattlesnake, home and put it in the freezer. Neither of them remembers Roy Kronk calling the sheriff’s office both days. You would think a black bag with a human skull in plain sight might have the possibility that it would stick in your mind if your fellow worker thought it was serious enough to make three reports on it in three consecutive days. Perhaps though the trophy of a rattlesnake was more important than the black bag that Roy could see with what looked like a human skull. On the third call Kronk was alone, and a sheriff’s deputy came out and spent 25 minutes talking to Kronk and walking the area of the black bag with the human skull visible to Roy, but saw nothing and noted that the area had been previously searched and “cleared”. That deputy has now been reassigned.

    Thank God Roy Kronk would not be deterred from the nagging black bag with the human skull and so he went back on December 11 for a fourth time and found the remains of Caylee Anthony exactly and unmoved from where he first viewed the black bag with the skull on August 11. Roy Kronk found what no search team, no homeless person sleeping there during the many months it was dry before and after Caylee Anthony disappeared, nor the kids that use that area as a well known “party place”.

    How much more those remains could have told the Medical Examiner in August then they could in December. Oh and in case you didn’t read the documents, Kronk at first, if you remember, said he picked up the black bag or poked it with a meter reader stick and out falling to the ground was the gruesome skull, only that is not quite what happened. The sheriff’s department had to go back to interview Kronk and “straighten up his faulty memory” because there was no way that skull rolled out of that black bag on that December day as Roy recounted many times, why you ask, because it had made an indention on the dirt where it had laid. Wonder if Kronk will be called as a witness now? However, we like Kronk so a couple of lies from him is no big deal, right?

    The 300 lb elephant has entered the room I see, and I am most certainly not speaking of the very lovely and talented P Poirot.
    B

  27. chitown lady says:

    Workmen’s comp vs. Kronk ? hurt while lifting boxes? Sounds strange to me. Wasn’t he already on somekind of probation? He was a meter reader….Why did they take him off of that job? Me thinks they were not to thrilled with he sudden fame….Either way…he should have showed up. WHY NOT? does not look good by NOT showing up. He made his choice. If workman’s comp doctors deem you fit, he should have went. If something would have happened to him on the job….LAWSUIT for sure….i smell something fishy with Kronk. I for one always found him shady……He should have showed up.PERIOD!

    I agree to not show up, if your maintaining a position, is inappropriate, and I would think ill advised by an employment lawyer. Is OCU union?
    B

  28. Kleat says:

    TWINS??? (and I am not talking about the side-by-side with Caylee’s photo– look in the background of the Nov 16th photo– two little girls that look very similar– which one is supposedly Caylee. Perfect handprint to check out, don’t you think??)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zQO57csQKE

    (0:22 sec. mark)

  29. Kleat says:

    Mike DeForrest reports– second half of this channel 6 report (presumably around Nov 19th last year). PI had a BUSY weekend, we know now!!! So when did he have time to go to the Florida Mall to check this out between 16th and the ‘story’ release. (did he even check it out in that short time and why did he decide it was credible– he’s the expert, not the Anthony’s)

    – a PI working on behalf of the Anthony family released this photo but when asked by Channel 6, WHERE it was taken, WHEN it was taken, or WHY the family thinks that this might be little Caylee. (we know this was taken Nov 16th at Florida Mall, released by Michelle Bart, not PI Dominic Casey– and we can surmise that the ‘carefully’ released, was using PI Dominic and NOT answering the questions of where and when.

    Bart’s interview on Dr. Phil was of course, after the child was discovered so I guess Bart didn’t feel that it was necessary, for family safety etc, to keep those details close any longer.

    We now have PI to Bart in this daisy chain.

    WHY release it with SO LITTLE INFO ABOUT IT that would help him? And why not release more info so other people there might be able to help identify the little girl in the photo. (seems making it hard for anyone in that mall that day, to be alerted to help id the girl, therefore, continuing the idea in the public mind, that it might be Caylee. (for all viewers knew, it could be in Texas, California, or TimBuck2.

    ‘INAPPROPRIATE” he said. Dominic Casey said about releasing more info to help people identify the child or to help find the child, and then he refused to answer any more questions.

    Anthony were going to have a press conference at the same day of this news story to EXPLAIN WHY they believed Caylee still alive– AT WHICH TIME, Mr. Mark NeJame resigned, press conference was cancelled.

  30. Word Girl says:

    Very good catch, Kleat, on the “twins”!! I consider myself fairly observant and I sure didn’t see that before!

    Bart’s a slippery one, agreed. If any of them believed it was a true sighting, they would have given a lot more information, forensics would have moved into that mall area, and we’d have a complete investigation. Since no one was forthcoming, it became clear that a “live” Caylee really wasn’t an option, just as Law Enforement knew all along. Nejame had the integrity to split while the getting was good.

  31. PamTX says:

    Blink – Can you clarify? Your response to #26 PPoirot. Most of the comments can be found almost verbatim at this link (beginning underneath the 6th video pic I believe):

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/rose-blog/tag/roy-kronk/

    It’s just that I have been a true avid believer/follower of your site, (and the above site/link…well, not-so-much). Was PPoirot just bringing these comments over to your site for a special reason? It makes me confused about your “white elephant” comment.

    Woops, that is my fault, I think I cut off PP link when I responded.

    http://www.rosespeaks.com/rose-blog/tag/roy-kronk/

    I have never been on that site personally so I cant speak to it. When I said “300 lb elephant” is in the room comment, I meant exactly what has happened. Readers are weighing in on whether or not Kronk’s firing is related to the finding of Caylee’s remains. I am not prepared to speak on the issue yet.
    B

  32. ros says:

    kronk……it always seemed hinky to me.
    #26 Poirot, well said, I’m with you on this

  33. Debidoll129 says:

    IMO, Kronk is am OK guy, he called 911 three times on three days..what more can a guy making 10.25 an hour do? He felt like an idiot by the police…he did the right thing here..the FBI and police screwed up..so place the blame on a nobody, take the heat off them….sorry…Florida made an error.

    Debi, not forming an opinion either way, but your statement is factually incorrect, with all due respect.

    Kronk was at the site the first time on August 10 with colleagues Chris Gibson and David Dean.
    He called non-emergency after work on 8-11. He never mentioned this to his colleagues.
    He called NOT FROM THE SCENE to non-emergency 8-12, and them crime tip line where he was told he would need to meet an officer there.
    He called from the location on 8-13, and awaited Richard Cain.

    I am going to be honest folks, at the end of the day, I care not how Kronk ended up there. I am glad she was found.
    B

  34. Kleat says:

    Word Girl, I didn’t see the ‘twins’ either until that clip and I stopped the video and took a screen shot to look closer at the hand on the yellow plastic part of the play gym– looked odd to me.

  35. westsidehudson says:

    Kleat

    I asked on the last thread, wasn’t there a fairly long lapse of time from when the photo was allegedly taken to the time it was released to the public? Was it by design that too much time passed to investigate?

    Do you remember how long?

  36. Gypsy DD says:

    Well now..as Blink says the 300lb elephant has entered the room.

    What will the prosecution and the defense deem is appropriate to the occasion? Will this lead to a relationship yet unknown or just a meter reading taking a whizz in the woods? And a very adamant meter reader at that … with past bounty hunter skills?

    I think DD has cut to the heart of the matter, at least for me. How will the defense use this?
    I promise you, you will see spin coming at you like a bionic frisbee starting tomorrow.
    B

  37. PamTX says:

    Blink: Much appreciative of your response and clarification. I was confused, because PP’s last sentence was: “However, we like Kronk so a couple of lies from him is no big deal, right?” and in actuality, from the rosespeaks link, the sentence read: “However, we like Kronk so a couple of lies from him is no big deal, right, but we don’t like the way Casey Anthony looks or how she acts so will we convict her?”

    Naturally, I was curious as to why the last part of the sentence was dropped. I am just so untrustworthy and skeptical….gotta work on that one:). Your “300 lb. elephant” makes sense …. personally, I think his firing is indeed related, but as usual, you could sway me. I always await your personal opinions…thanks again!

    I will never fault a person who is trying to understand in an effort to form an opinion, I think your question was intelligent, not “untrusting”
    :)
    B

  38. westsidehudson says:

    Blink

    As with many things in life, people do things for a personal agenda. Sometimes the agenda isn’t ‘clean’, but if something good comes out of it, then at least there’s that. I don’t have suspicions that he has any involvement in Caylee’s murder, or has any connection to invisi-nanny, or any of the other underworld dark forces that the defense is conjuring up. Was he tipped somehow (from Casey via some middleman), I don’t know.
    He was probably motivated by the reward money or notoriety that he felt might serve him financially, like every other person that closely attached themselves to the case.

    Well said and I agree, he said exactly that when Alex Roberts pulled up on Dec.11, For me, her being found was worth it.
    B

  39. westsidehudson says:

    Kleat

    You said that the photographer of the Caylee sighting was located? Was the original digital file taken as well?

  40. Gypsy DD says:

    As always in this case thus far … no good deed goes unpunished.

    I do believe that if Mr Kronk wants his job back it will be there for the taking. So not showing at one hearing, with back problems..hmm..does Brad Conway covering for Cindy and George’s not want to attend a hearing ring a bell?

  41. lily says:

    Why can’t just ONE single solitary aspect about this case be straightforward and without a billion questions, suspicious or LIES? All I’m asking people is one tiny little piece of the timeline I can hang on to. LOL

  42. westsidehudson says:

    # 36_Gypsy, Blink

    I agree, but if they (defense) swirl & spew suspicions all over the place, like a hapless tornado or whirling dervish, it will look desperate. There will be a disconnect. All the prosecution has to do in a closing argument is summarize their reasonable doubt theories, and how they often conflict with each other, or there is no way to connect the dots. I was kind of doing that in a facetious manner with what I wrote in the reasonable doubt project post. (Hopefully no one was offended). Then (the state) can summarize all the dots that DO connect- directly to Casey, beginning with NEVER calling police. I know the burden is on the state to prove her guilty, but we all know the defense is burdened by virtue of their own client’s statements as well as her parents.

  43. Kleat says:

    wsh, I only know what the Dr. Phil YouTube interviewee’s said, taken Nov. 16th, published Nov 19th (according to what Bart said to Dr. Phil and guests). I expect that’s accurate, but dont’ know more.

    I don’t remember saying the photographer was located– maybe I was typing too fast, I know I restructured that post and accidentally posted double, the link was in the second one and I don’t have it in cache now. Sorry if I didn’t check how my post read– I was having a time with that one by accidentally hitting a key and pasting text in where it shouldn’t have been pasted. No word on photographer or the original photograph. Obviously PI Dom Casey would have it, maybe also Bart kept a version, copy or original. Maybe she didn’t so LE would have no way to get a copy of the real thing from the PI with ‘privilege’– like that would fly with a judge. Bart must have known she was being played, or she was the orchestrator of certain things Anthony. (that’s just MHO)

  44. PamTX says:

    “bionic frisbee”…ROTFL!

  45. westsidehudson says:

    Kleat

    Erin Brokovich:

    She was recently on a commercial for NYC lawyers; she looked, spoke well, and was wearing a pretty conservative suit.

  46. Kleat says:

    Interesting, the SM article from November 21st, shows a composite of the photograph, with the TWO separate girls as in the version I posted from that little video. Notice that the SM article implies that the sighting is of ONE girl, but pairs the two girl’s images– these appear to be two separate individuals in the little video version (which is video of the ‘less’ (or possibly uncropped) version).

    If not ‘twins’, they may be sisters if that wider view photograph is to be believed. Why would the Scared Monkeys article not differentiate? Did they know something or just assume the girl changed clothing?

    Unless it’s the same girl, photographed in different clothing at different times, then photoshopped into the scene (don’t know that, likely not), then these are two girls who themselves, look very similar, have identical hair styles, so which one is Caylee supposed to be?? Only the one closest? If so, why not consider the other little girl too?)

    No one seems to have mentioned this doubling up.

  47. ProvokingPoirot says:

    To PamTX…
    Whether I left the link off, I try to remember to always add links but am human, or whether it was cut off by Blink accidently…I stand by my post which did indeed, though not word for word and in fact not even on the subject of the orginal article, comes from http://www.rosespeaks.com/rose-blog/tag/roy-kronk/

    What I was intending to do was say these are exactly my feelings about Roy Kronk and they are. He appears to be a victim in all of this. Now we can all have our opinions and agree to disagree and you can have your’s and I can have mine. I maintain my position and will make no apologies for what I believe. I am a big enough person to admit when I am wrong and when there is proof that I am wrong about my suspicions in re: to Kronk’s “story”, I will say I was wrong but until then, I trust my instincts and resources. The article was about (on the linked page)”Is Casey Anthony Going to be Convicted Because the Public Doesn’t Like Her?”…Well, I hope not. I hope it’s on the merits of the evidence. And to post verbatim the last sentence from the paragraph I chose to have represent my feelings, “However, back to our questions, we like Kronk so a couple of lies from him is no big deal, right, but we don’t like the way Casey Anthony looks or how she acts so will we convict her?”…I don’t give a rat’s behind how Casey Anthony looks or how Roy Kronk looks to others either….the evidence is Roy’s story has changed. Again, when you tell the truth, you really don’t have to remember “the story” as the facts will speak the truth. His “facts” haven’t. It’s all in the merits of the evidence.

  48. Kleat says:

    Even Dominic Casey, who is paid to be observant, didn’t catch the ‘second girl’ Caylee-look-alike in the photo, or if he did, he only focused on the one in the center, the one with the Caylee-like butterfly shirt, the one closest to the camera.

    WHY not focus on both girls? IF they were twins, this might be something to include in the search for this girl– IF a twin, or sisters, or little friends wearing the same hairstyle, that would be a big bonus in locating the subject.

    Clearly Dominic Casey didn’t notice, or was told not to notice the second girl– that would crush the tip quickly if sisters for sure.

    It makes Dominic Casey’s actions highly questionable and he’s ‘selecting’ information even from a single photograph, editing it to suit by including a choice of only one similar looking girl.

    Here’s the Fox News report– DC gives Fox more info– he stopped talking to Channel 6 before giving the important contact information that would be essential to finding the little girl(s). Imagine, not giving the information needed if he BELIEVED this was a credible sighting that could SAVE the missing child’s life. Obviously he wasn’t taking things that seriously by getting angry with a reporter then not giving information that might help save a child’s life. (unless he knew different– of course we know now he was told in the days prior, that he was searching the woods for a dead baby)

    But he gave that info to Fox on Nov 21st, a Friday, almost a week after he and Hoover went to bring Caylee home and not alive.

    Quoting the article: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,456206,00.html

    “A private investigator is looking into whether
    a possible sighting of missing Florida toddler
    Caylee Anthony has any merit.

    A photograph of a child resembling the 3-year-old
    girl taken at a west Florida
    mall was released on Friday, according
    to MyFOXOrlando.com.

    The picture, reportedly snapped by a
    shopper at the mall, was given to D & A
    Investigations, a firm that is working
    with the Anthony family. It has also been
    turned over to Orange County sheriffs and the FBI.

    D & A is asking anyone with any information
    on the potential sighting to call
    1-888-231-5618
    or email cayleetips@yahoo.com.”

    (DC must look like a real duffus to FBI and OSCO investigators for not noticing the second girl and questioning the ‘shopper’ if which girl they meant, or both, or were the two girls with the same adults. OR, did DC give the FBI/OSCO a ‘cropped’ version of the isolated single image as on the Fox News story and to save himself some embarrasement about possibly selecting the wrong girl because of the t- she was wearing).

  49. Kleat says:

    (say– is that tip phone line still active? I’m not calling it! )

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