Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Roy Kronk Fired For Undisclosed Reasons- Updated
Orlando, FL- Roy Kronk, the infamous meter reader who after three attempts finally located the remains of 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthony, has been fired from his position as a County employee today.
Kronk failed to show up for a pre-determination hearing for the first step of an undisclosed disciplinary proceeding according to Orange County Utilities.
“Roy Kronk was scheduled to attend a pre-determination hearing yesterday to address issues pertaining to his employment with the County. He failed to show for the hearing, and a decision has been issued terminating his employment effective immediately,” the county wrote Kronk’s lawyer. “Therefore, the County shall not pay any legal fees associated with representing Mr. Kronk that are incurred from this point forward.”
Update#1 I received this email from David Evans, Roy Kronk’s Attorney.
I have received a number of inquiries today regarding the decision by Orange County Utilities to terminate Roy Kronk’s employment yesterday. I am furnishing this statement on Mr. Kronk’s behalf. Mr. Kronk is the Orange County Utilities worker who found the remains of Caylee Anthony.
The termination of Mr. Kronk relates to a difference of opinion between Mr. Kronk and Orange County regarding a workplace injury sustained by Mr. Kronk in the course of his job duties at an Orange County Utilities warehouse. This dispute arose because Mr. Kronk’s management directed him to resume work duties after his injury, and Mr. Kronk and his health care providers did not consider it to be safe or medically appropriate to resume those duties at this time.
Mr. Kronk is evaluating his legal options relating to his termination. In the meantime, Mr. Kronk is volunteering his time to a veteran’s group in Osceola County–he is providing counseling to military veterans to help ease their adjustment to civilian life.
David Evans
Update #2
Roy Kronk injured his kneck and shoulder while lifting boxes in the Utilities warehouse.
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First-time poster here! Hello! and many thanks to Blink for all you do … you’re site is awesome and well read by many who never post …
Well Kronk has MY sympathy … I’m sure he wishes he had never gotten involved in this mess. He would still have the job he had before all of this instead of being “promoted” to “Inventory Specialist” to work in the warehouse !! And he wouldn’t have been hurt on the job lifting boxes as a supply clerk !! His “promotion” was no doubt because he could no longer work his outside job because of the publicity and public scrutiny it brought him. Not to mention all of his personal life being exposed. I say give the guy a break … his career went down the tubes on Dec 11th and required him to get an attorney to defend himself … I hope his attorney can help him get back on his feet … he doesn’t deserve what he’s gotten IMO
Blink– I’m going to dip my hand into the B-Biskit jar because I figured that Joyless Radar out!!
BTW, who IS DREW TATE– does he know Joy and all? Who was he searching the woods with in those early days and what does he REALLY know about searches in those areas, where precisely did he search– not much sense asking him now as he will probably have a varied memory too.
I suppose the state will not depose him for awhile? (or did I miss that?) If the defense gets him on side, the state might lose an opportunity, or is he in the same credibility class as Ms. J. Less Raidar?
#85 Comment by ProvokingPoirot — October 30, 2009 @ 12:54 pm
Interesting the lines in your post that state Roy Kronk said “But I failed to tell them everything about the case that I know so I don’t get into trouble. I promised Lee Anthony I would keep him out of it. Don’t you think it is quite odd, the grandparents out in California doing an interview and Lee is here all alone and we decide to say hay, look at what I found, but the media and police did buy it. I have been and will continue to cooperate fully with the ongoing investigation by the sheriff’s office and the FBI, but I wanted to get paid and they refused to pay me for my story.”
I looked up the interview and posted the link.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18448218/detail.html
I did not find that statement regarding Lee Anthony and the Anthony family. Nor did I find it in the Scared Monkey link. Please show where you found this information. I wanted to read it myself and then check the dates of the article about OCSO where they state about Lee Anthony “We kind of treat him separately. He knows what he has done.”
just to see for myself that maybe the two were related.
The Lee Anthony article came out in January 2009 and I found this link but not the link from WESH.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d26-Lee-Anthony-to-be-questioned-again-regarding-Caylees-disappearance
Thank PP I am just another curious person in search for Justice for Caylee
right, Mariann– of course they don’t, that’s why the ‘media’ promotion by Bart et al, was focussed on only the one girl with the butterfly shirt– it was a set up, if not directly, certainly indirectly by all the media hype of looking for a live Caylee, the parents and their butterfly T’s on the jail videos and around town, it was a clear direction for the public to link these things, the hair style, setting up a ‘primed’ public to see what ‘might be’. But could be more…
Dom Casey is telling in how ignorant about investigation procedures and decision-making about allocating his resources to prioritize tips– the guy is CLUELESS– (Jan 7, 2009 interview). Clueless, or the real decision making wasn’t about a live Caylee priority, it was about ‘the manipulation for defense’ of this idea, priority. Very different– looking for a real lost child, or looking to set up the situation for jury poisoning and to fit the ‘script’.
It’s all fitting nicely into that script, even if some players are drawn in because they ‘believe’ what they are seeing because those nice grandparents say so.
The Anthony’s credibility is eroded and the defense sorely needs them to come across as credible. The time may have passed, that they can claim their ‘hope’ version.
(btw, I tried the Dr. G. video on WFTV, and that fails to load too– but you can play their promo ad as many times as you want– no idea what’s wrong– not ‘pop-up’ blocker, it was ‘off’. Not the browser, changed and tried the other one. )
wsh, I might have confused things by switching threads– sorry folks. (this is an easier page load too).
Yes, she does!
About Kronk, I recall that Mr. NeJame, who has acted so responsibly for his early clients and for Caylee, and his new friend, Tim Miller and Equusearch, commented on Mr. Kronk, and that he himself (NeJame) checked things out and found that he deserved the reward– which came from Mr. NeJame’s own pocket, not anywhere else.
This says a lot– we should trust somewhat in this and be skeptical of the spin given the credibility of the defense tactics to, as in their own words, ‘dig up dirt’ on people.
I wonder if this could explain why he is a deadbeat dad. I am truly sorry for anyone involved in this case. No sooner did Krunk find the remains then the spin began. I am undecided about Krunk having insider information, although it isn’t much of a stretch to believe.
“Roy Kronk lost his wife to cancer last year, and that battle brought him down to his last dime,” said Evans, who added that he would like to find a way to get his client some compensation.
Oh boy, that’s a can openin’ right there. That was not his wife, but his companion, and I think her family might disagree with how he became “down to his last dime”. That said, as far as I can tell, that has nothing to do with him finding Caylee.
B
# 98_Kleat
Yup. I said that in my post. If I had been the photographer of that little girl, I would have dialed 911. The local police would have shown up, even if OSCO felt differently. If you tell the 911 operator you have found what you believe was a kidnapped child, they will show up.
i disagree that the orange striped shorts match the pink big trouble top ,and that those are the same shorts in the vaccuming picture,those seem pink,i’ve enlarged both picts to the best of my technical ability,the remains shorts are now brown and orange ,the vaccuming shorts pink and blue.caylee wore purple shirt w/purple striped shorts,pink top w/pink striped shorts,i would assume orange shirt w/ orange striped shorts.
I’m SUPER curious where ProvokingPoirot found the Kronk quote in reference to Lee Anthony post # 85, mine # 88.
Please come back with a link. Of course, that would change back a lot of things clearer in this case.
I don’t know what I was saying in that last sentence…must have goblins or cobwebs in my brain. 2 thoughts converging I guess.
What I meant was, it would clear up a lot about this case!
i’ve still been waiting to hear where CASEY’S pink and blue(teal)striped shorts are,you know the ones in the 911 call that casey is wearing(i dont believe it ,but have been waiting,nobody(cindy,george,lee,le) has mentioned casey changing clothes between being pick up at tony’s and arrested.and are the pink and teal striped shorts w/the evidence clothes warranted from the house,Casey’s(FROM 911 CALL) AND Caylee’s(FROM VACUMMING PICTURE). although i’m sure cindy has replaced them,i hope le was on top of that one,(i catch glimpses of yuri,one step ahead)
There is a video taken of a drive in the HOLT, crime scene area early– no date on the video, I’m not going to name it, but it’s being promoted by the certain person how amazing it is that they knew where the find would be (how? nevermind– I”m really not asking
. One section of this video is by someone walking into those woods on a bright sunny day (wish they’d date these) with dog (not cops, after cops apparently), and she blurts out “YOU CAN ONLY GO SO FAR [into the woods off the roadway obviously as vid shows her position and direction] BECAUSE THERE IS WATER”.
Yep, what we’ve been told by some, disputed by others, but this person is there and searching on her own in the actual woods along Suburban (unknown point of entry) and says she can’t go farther because of ‘water’. No reason not to believe this, she’s stopped from doing what she wants to do, because of water. She’s more likely to take the family’s side (if not then, later, don’t know) than on LE’s side and so she’s admitting there is a barrier to searching.
Blink and all. Way, way off topic here but here are things they said to look for in a suspect in Somer’s killer:
An unnatural interest in the status of the investigation and a compulsive need to talk about the case.
Increased nervousness.
Suddenly shaving a beard or head hair, or growing .
Did you notice Lee Anthony at the funeral. He has a beard now. He didn’t have it on the cruise. He was also wearing a God awfully long sleeved shirt. On a sunny Florida day?
Is my hatred of the Anthony’s getting the best of me or could they truely be person’s of interest in this case?
Suddenly shaving a beard or head hair, or GROWING A BEARD.
I guess there were defensive wounds on Somer that make them think the perp got scratched or punched on the arms and face? Skin under the nails perhaps? Can’t imagine why else they think that.
Boz, yes, I think your hatred is carrying you away, lol. Since they’re right near a military base, I suspect one of those guys, like the ones that raped and killed those kids in Japan. This perp was not driving, so I’m thinking it’s someone stationed there with no car. Not sure what kind of base it is, I only heard it mentioned one time, oddly.
kleat, you are sticking to HOLT, aren’t you, lol? I like that. hey, you could be right, even though I can’t find any evidence of anyone using that term.
susan m, I am going to say the multicolor shorts had enough pink in them to match the shirt. For instance, the button (according to the Medical Examiner) was pink, which makes me think faint pink was the predominant background color,while the stripes were pink, green, and orange. Plus they look kind of pinkish in the photos, I think.
Goodness gracious….the hugeness of the could be, would be were and are players in this fiasco seems to be unending..So many of them seemingly were unwitting friends to Casey assumed she was a pathologicial party girl with whom they occasionally hung out..probably to guys putting up with a little lying was worth the goodies, yuk, probably wish now they had never known the girl. Many others who seemed to jump on for fame and celebrity now to probably wish she would go away cause their resume is going to look more crappy than ever when this is over. Then, DC, Hoover fellow, Kronk who I am not about the pureness of their character…but just all seems a little too weird. Oh, yeah and the psychic and Joy Wray, oh my. Then the family itself….good lands…on and on they go…where they will stop nobobdy knows…. I am reminded of a huge ball of gold jewelry in my jewelry chest….Some of it is 18K, some 14K, some gold filled and some, pure junk…One day soon I need to get that all untangled and clean and shine the good stuff and pitch out the mess. It will take a fine needle and a lot of time,,but if I keep picking away eventually it will all fall apart like a bunch of gold snakes, some ready for better day and a new life and some to be thrown to the wayside not to be thought of again.
Blink, thanks, I thought it may have been her but with everything coming like how did you say it “bionic frisbee” (love that) I just wanted to make sure.
Kleat, you are just so smart, Lol. Remember not enough java!
Love reading here.
33 Blink
Blink, August 10, 2008 was a Sunday, so Roy Kronk, Christopher Gibson, and David Dean were NOT on Suburban Drive that day.
They were there together on Monday, August 11, the first time Kronk read meters on that route. The got caught up with the snake, and they all went back to the office to show it off to the other meter readers. Kronk called 911 to report his tip at 4:30pm when he got home. The exchange between Kronk and the dispatcher was very confusing, and the dispatcher sent a deputy to the area to look for a gray bag on the side of the road, so naturally nothing was found.
The next day, Tuesday, August 12, Kronk called the non-emergency number at 9:30pm to follow-up on his tip. Another deputy was sent to the area to look for a bag in the woods behind Hidden Oaks Elementary School. The directions were awful, and it was too dark for the deputy to see anything. Kronk was told to call Crimeline (he did that night) and to call back when he could stay in the area to meet with a deputy.
The third day, Kronk called at 3:30pm, referenced his prior tip, and said he was waiting in the area in a blue Cavalier. Richard Cain responded.
Kronk was on Suburban Drive three days in a row August 11-13, Monday-Wednesday.
Maura-
Very nice to see you. Maybe I missed you and set the bait on a question only you might be able to answer.
(totally mostly teasing)
However, do you know why in Kronk’s interview with Det. Melich they used the August 10th date throughout? No correction during that interview?
B
What interview are you talking about?
I’ve read Kronk’s December 11 interview with Yuri Melich, and Kronk didn’t mention the August tips.
There are references in the supplemental reports to a December 17 interview with Melich and Kronk, but I’ve never read it and don’t know if it’s been released or where it is (it’s not on Docstoc). When Melich summarized that interview in a report, he used the date August 11.
Kronk was interview by Detective Mike Ruggiero on January 6, and they used the dates August 11, 12, and 13.
Where is the interview in which Kronk and Melich use the August 10 date?
Scroll down, all Kronk interviews in a row, the recordings:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/27/audio_video_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement.html
Hi…just wanted to respond to ada’s comment:
“Comment by ada — October 30, 2009 @ 1:10 pm
This may have been posted before but it is amazing!!! Casey’s and Caylee’s DNA was found on the shovel!!!!
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=280”
Nah…I didn’t say that. lol What I pointed out is that there are common alleles in the mixture DNA results of the shovel handle that could be tied to Casey (or Caylee). That Casey’s DNA would be on the handle shouldn’t surprise us since we know she used it. But the point was that if the defense wants to use 1 allele (and let’s be clear, there are approximately 49,000 alleles in the human DNA from one cell) to say that “some one else” was fingering the duct tape on Caylee’s remains, then we’ve got 6 alleles and an amelogenin typing result on the shovel that could be used to show that the shovel was possibly in touch with Caylee’s body.
Just wanted to clear that up! Thanks.
Mariann,
I agree with you that neither child looks like Caylee. The younger girl in the original cropped picture has the same hairstyle but her nose is very different, straight and not turned up like Caylee’s. The other girl in the full picture looks to me like the younger girl’s sister.
This was discussed ad nauseum in the Investigation Discovery forum and we all came to the conclusion back then that this was just a distraction for reasonable doubt that Caylee was alive.
I am just happy that Caylee was found or there would have been a hundred more sightings of Caylee Marie checking out the Chucky Cheese, Food Courts, Airplane terminals, or maybe even riding the rides at Universal.(sorry for the snarky comment)
I had not heard the comment that Kronk had said Lee wanted to be kept out of it. Did he really say that? Just saying implies that Lee was involved.
Blink, I think in the Jan 6 interview/statement Roy did say Aug 10, but Yuri corrected the dates. Roy seems to have problems with AHhhh!!!! Oh yea!!! dates and distances. And a few other problems, like DIRECTIONS AND SNAKES.
Now I am just as happy as you that Caylee was finally found but it could have and should have been much sooner. I am sorry, I think there was more than one snake on Suburban Dr. What completely astounds me is that no one was bitten.
oops, Sorry, i didn’t read down to your note, Kleat
Since we’re jumping on ole Kronk (I’m grateful to him), I’m wondering if he heard some conversation at their house, in the garage, perhaps? Did he plant some audio surveill while he was ‘meter reading’?
Or did he, just like I would have done, start searching that woods in the most logical way? (Except I would have missed her by starting on the less logical side. Don’t know if that’s due to being blonde, or being left-handed.)
Just reading through the Cindy’s interview.
Here are some things that struck me there:
PAGE 450
Q. Okay. Did Casey sleep with you?
A Yes. We let –because Mr. Campbell was staying in the spare bedroom, which used to be Lee’s room.
Q. Uh-huh.
A. And so we either had to put Tracy in Casey’s room or on the couch, so we decided to let her have some privacy and let her have Casey’s room. BUT CASEY REALLY DIDN’T WANT TO STAY. SHE SAID IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR HER TO BE IN THERE BECAUSE THAT’S THE ROOM WHERE HER AND CAYLEE, YOU KNOW SLEPT.
What?! Think about when you have lost someone. You WANT to be near their personal things, hugging their pillow, smelling their blankets, wanting to remember places you were close. Wow. This is the mother of a child who is gone. (Sorry, it is revelations like this that just get me)
Second thing that made me stop and reread a sentence or two:
page 472
Q. Have you had contact with this — what did you call her? Jeanette?
A. No. The only person I have ever spoken with was Luke. I spoke to him on the phone, I think, on two occasions. The second time I spoke to him WAS AFTER CAYLEE’S REMAINS WERE FOUND.
Isn’t this an omission that she believes the remains were of her deceased granddaughter. So (defense team) can we stop the charade of the continuing search for a live kidnapped child–sitings. Wow.
back to reading, just needed to get that out, sorry if you all have already dealt with this issue. I do read all of the posts but can’t keep it in my head. Thanks to all of you who are more organized and take great notes along the way–and share.
…..she repeatedly mentions CAYLEE’s REMAINS through page 475……
In this link, included under the heading “Documents Released May 1, 2009″ are:
* 05/01 – Interview with Roy Kronk
* 05/01 – Transcripts of interviews with Adriana Acevedo, Dep. Kethlin Cutcher, Deputy Richard Cain and Deputy Richard Collins
Interesting LE interviews focusing on the events of August 11-13 , 2008 (with emphasis on the 13th). Reading RK’s first, followed by the deputies’ (the latter begins with transcripts of RK’s phone calls), might clear up questions for some here (or create new ones, IDK).
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html
Here it is almost 1:00am and I’m still awake trying to catch up on reading here in between “re”-listening to interviews, visitation videos, etc.
I just wanted to reply real quickly about a comment up-thread.
#115 Comment by boz — October 30, 2009 @ 4:05 pm
Suddenly shaving a beard or head hair, or GROWING A BEARD.
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Believe me, I’m not on Lee’s side by any means, I have thought from day one that Lee was attempting to gather information so that he could find Caylee, but at the same time, cover for Casey. The only question/comment regarding the changing appearance of Lee, shaving his head and/or growing a beard. When I first read the possible profile of Somer’s killer, while reading the part regarding changing appearance, I assumed someone would change their appearance as a way of hiding out. So assuming that this case were not high profile and Lee were in fact involved, I could see him changing his appearance as a way of not being recognized by someone who possibly saw him commit an offense, and/or not be recognized if they had put out a sketch or clues to his appearance, etc.
Anyway, just thought I’d throw in my two-cents, for what it’s worth. It’s possible LE meant it in a different way, which would make me NOT a very good detective, ha….. But thought I’d give a different take on the way I perceived what I read. Not being argumentative in any way boz, no offense meant, I was just thinking that after first glance, another opinion or another person’s view on what LE meant might be helpful. If you’re anything like me, you don’t need even ONE more to wonder about as far as this family goes. So if indeed I read it correctly, maybe Lee’s growing of facial hair was just simply something he did out of lack of time, laziness, or maybe he just thought he looked good…pfffftt…ha!
Blink, post #33
Here is the link to the 911 calls that are factual…..http://www.wftv.com/news/18530327/detail.html
All three are represented as 911 calls and not as non-emergency calls.
Yes, they are called that at that site, but as we know, the only calls made to 911 were on 12/11, correct?
B
I know this is off topic from the Roy kronk article, but:
Things have certainly been quite since the defense got the last dump of discovery. I have to wonder if that doesn’t mean that there is some potentially damaging things to Casey in their.
I’m wondering if the bug/plant discovery was part of dump?
Anyone have any “behind the scenes” info they want to share? Not to mention any names….BLINK! lol……
ooops – should have been “in there” – not “in their.”
Guess the coffee hasn’t quite kicked in yet!
# 85_ I know I’m a bit obsessed with this, but….
The only place that I have come up with that quote:
“Back in August of this year, I had previously reported to Crimeline and to the sheriff’s communications center that I had spotted something suspicious, a bag in the same area,” Kronk said in August. “But I failed to tell them everything about the case that I know so I don’t get into trouble. I promised Lee Anthony I would keep him out of it” was in a comment on this site:
http://kreuzer33.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/caylee-anthony-roy-kronk-previously-arrested-for-kidnapping/
I will continue to search. AAnyone else find it within a news source?
“Back in August of this year, I had previously reported to Crimeline and to the sheriff’s communications center that I had spotted something suspicious, a bag in the same area,” Kronk said in August. “I have been and will continue to cooperate fully with the ongoing investigation by the sheriff’s office and the FBI. I have provided detailed information to law enforcement but I respectfully decline at this time to get into the details of what I saw at the crime scene.”
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18459102/detail.html
from Blink, in response to Debidoll129, #130(?):
“Yes, they are called that at that site, but as we know, the only calls made to 911 were on 12/11, correct?
B”
Blink, Good Morning
Yes and no. In the August 11 call , RK told the 911 operator he called the non-emergency line and somehow ended up with 911 instead. August 12 and 13 it is not clear if he directly called the non-emergency line to OCSO or if he called 911 and they put him through to OCSOO.
The evening of August 12, the responding officer while at Suburban (who I think was actually positioned further down, across from the school at a chain link fence) phoned RK to get more information. It was during this call the deputy suggested to RK to meet with deputies the following day during daylight conditions. RK was also reminded to call the CrimesStoppers tips-line as he was requested to dial by OCSO at the end of the earlier call, which he did at around 10:17pm.
The 2 documents from the link referenced in my comments #128(?) are an interesting read, IMO.
Good Points, I guess we just can’t say for sure, the point I was trying to make was that he made efforts to NOT call 911 but to call dispatch, imo.
B
Ok, aside from George and friends monitoring police and other service agency calls, Casey was released from jail, she was ‘unmonitored’ for hours at a time, riding in various vehicles to and from places, lawyers have been known (reputation) about monitoring ambulance calls, they might want to monitor activities of the police re: a client also, especially during critical times where searches might find a body, or there are searches near the home area.
So why wouldn’t LE have a ‘heads up’ on this possibility and watch for Casey (via agents aka family, her lawyer’s PI, etc) returning to the scene to see what’s going on– if they knew about those early calls by using scanners?
Reinin, I’m sorry about repeating the photo of the two girls in the mall sighting, but my point isn’t about whether they could have been considered Caylee at the time, but what use it was put to by the family following the child’s remains being found as the sighting ties in on November 16th too perfectly. And they MAY find that a jury can NOT say without reasonable doubt, that this IS in fact, Caylee. And the jury may not be allowed to see the full uncropped photo (who knows what comes in) and see how there may be a sister or another look-alike to consider.
The point is how this, as one example, may be used in the ‘she is innocent theory’.
So far, we have on that ‘witness list’:
Drew Tate (self-proclaimed searcher alone, claims joined EQ and did the same area searches with them).
JW (self-proclaimed searcher of the area alone, claims searched with EQ, same area).
A psychic crew, WITH cameras and audio, stating repeatedly on tape, that the Suburban area/school that LE had searched this area, and at one point says about LE, quote “LIARS!” (because they were getting their psychic vibes otherwise).
A psychic crew (as above) with self-proclaimed, poorly handled (one is clearly “UNTRAINED” because he hasn’t got step one of what is critical as a foundation for a dog/handler team and that would have no business being in a crime scene and I WILL DISCUSS with that dog handler or handlers if they want to go head to head on that point as per this video).
I would like to know if these early psychics and/or their entourages, made any contact with the family (physical contact), because that’s why they came to town obviously– to get media attention, self-promotion. (in this case they got a video/audio that ‘proves’ their vibes presumably at some point before the body was discovered that the body WAS there, or that the body WOULD be there– they can maybe predict the future too).
Anyone know the timeline of when those blind drives occurred? There must be local print media archives somewhere, and they did not avoid media for sure. Did these psychics ever make a police report about their ‘knowledge’ of the body whereabouts?
Does anyone know if the ‘on the scene’ psychics were in ‘reality’ touch with any psychics out of the area for whatever reason? (referals to other psychics? Like those who were actual PI’s and worked with the FBI in the past like the Lucas family members?)
Dates of that video of the ‘blind drive, would really like to have that because that proves ‘water’ was there– and proves that the area was NOT thoroughly searched and that the LE were NOT “Liars” afterall.
(the last point is going to be important to prove the area ‘was’ searched if that’s the defense’s intent– therefore this video of the dog and handler unable to go into the woods farther, supports LE and Equusearch, and discredits Tate, Wrayoffbase, and their ilk.)
Reinin, I’m at a disadvantage because a lot is new to me in discussions as this is my first forum to read and also participate in, so sorry if repeating info already known.
That said, it’s really time to revise because what we ‘KNEW’ or thought was accepted to be true from the grieving family, is no longer taken in that context– we’ve known things so out of order, well after the fact, and only recently things are filling us in– like those state depos. I’m finding that things are in a new context now, with the added information.
(meant in last post to say…. the photo of the girl at mall, (or girls) IS or IS NOT, Caylee…. leaving room for this argument by the defense that this example, or another sighting, or the fact of sightings in general, as not being attended to by LE, especially after the sherriff’s public statement that they were no longer looking for a live Caylee).
It’s still a crack in the case for the defense to ‘widen’– but to that end, the OSCO had to decide to continue keeping up the charade for their case, or put their ‘missing/abused’ children officers onto task to help others after extensive resources spent– not enough of course, for George and Cindy. It’s notable that both have revealed that they NEVER thought much about missing children BEFORE it happened to them. I can’t understand how anyone, with or without children, can possibly miss this problem and think about it, even if not involved, people know and think about it as a problem– Cindy and George continue to amaze me.
One thing that would help put into perspective the nearly unbelievability that Kronk made 3 attempts to get LE out to the remains site – and LE responded TWICE without finding Caylee (my head spins on this) is if somehow there was evidence from the tips database that like maybe 100′s of these types of leads were called in – you know – a skull in a bag – around the corner from the missing baby’s home – come on!? How could 2 county employees go to the site at least 5 times between them – and NOT locate the baby? Were these types of tips coming in and found to be bogus and therefore no sense of urgency was in order?
(‘Charade’ of course, was ‘unidirectional’ and directed by the Anthony sourced ‘tips’ that were not credible nor chosen for investigation by some credible set of criteria, and OSCO and the FBI could only play what was clearly a ‘game’, so long when they had evidence otherwise.)
go florida gators kick off in 30 minutes,waitin for forida / alabama game.
I agree Kleat # 139 and believe the game continues. The defense will toss out every Gonzalez from here to eternity, and there is no way that investigators can travel to the ends of the earth to insure that there isn’t the most minute connection to FL, and prove each and every one innocent. It’s like searching for Smith, Jones, Patel, Johnson, etc. The point there is that, no matter who or what that person was, even if she skipped town and had fake IDs etc. Casey said she called her and that Gonzalez called Casey. Those records don’t magically disappear.
YOUR QUOTE:
“It’s still a crack in the case for the defense to ‘widen’– but to that end, the OSCO had to decide to continue keeping up the charade for their case, or put their ‘missing/abused’ children officers onto task to help others after extensive resources spent– not enough of course, for George and Cindy.”
I think, again, if that photographer had called the local police, where the mall was located (not OSCO), and said, “I think you need to get here right away, I’m very convinced that this little girl is Caylee, the one who was kidnapped”, you don’t think that they would have shown up? You bet they would have checked it out. So either the photographer didn’t really buy that it was Caylee, or there was something else going on with that incidence.
Lily# 138
It seems as though at least on one occasion, Kronk wasn’t there to point out the locale (maybe twice?), they had a ton of leads from psychics and others just offering their theories, and then you have Officer Cain who had disdain for the public, in general (I believe) and didn’t want to be bothered.
#138. Don’t forget Elizabeth Olten.
Adding to my note to Kleat
Hopefully the flora and fauna demonstrate that, at that late date in Nov, that it was unlikely to be Caylee anyway. But we shall see, perhaps it won’t.
Dominic Casey couldn’t find Caylee either.
I had a really hard time understanding how the body could lie so close to home and not be discovered. Also, how Kronk could see the bags and no one else could. UNTIL, I watched a video by Marinade Dave, just search him on youtube. When he was showing the site that Caylee’s remains were found a lightbulb went off!
I sent him a message since he asked for suggestions where to go to film next. I asked he return and show us the KUDZU growing in area’s adjoining the find site. Area’s not cleared by that machine LE brought in to remove the entangled vines of the kudzu. It was like an AH-HA moment. His second video clinched it for me.
First, it seems everyone thinks this is the area school kids used. Not so. This is an area where rain run off has made a swamp. The kudzu which grows up to a foot a day, and overtakes and kills tree’s by covering them from sunlight is thick and add to that this being a dumping ground for trash….So, the smell of this putrid swamp water, the mud that is created….ever stepped in it and sunk down and had to leave your shoes to scramble back out?
Persons who do not live in area’s with poisonous snakes like the water moccasin, the different rattler’s, the copperhead, and I forget what else….can not understand the fear grown men have of these snakes. Rattlesnakes, if I remember correctly, live their lives in a small area, reproduce like crazy and live in dens. I have always been told where there is one rattler there will be others. Ok, so how many danged women you think are going to go wading down that hill where Caylee was found…MUCH less men with no hip boots on?
Ok you say via evidence of Hoover’s video Dominic Casey did….Go look again, looks to me like he’s in an area where there might be a beaten down less kudzu covered spot. Look at both MarinadeDaves youtube video’s and see exactly what is being talked about. I, for one, can understand the officer not going deeply into the woods picking up trash that could have had a snake all curled up waiting to attack. Did I tell you these snakes love to hide under plastic? Did I mention they can quickly jump the length of their bodies or longer to strike you? Did I tell you that even roughened redneck woodsmen are leary and cautious to watch where they step to avoid messing with one of these snakes?
Notice that Kronk didn’t venture far into the swamp to hide to relieve himself? Probably chose a small opening and stepped in…that’s why he returned to the same area later. If you look at Dave’s video’s you can understand it better.
I think Kronk and Officer Cain made mistakes in not following through to get someone out there with the gear on to keep a snake bite from penetrating. But, I sure as hey can see where grown men with Kronk probably said “No way am I looking for a supposedly bag he see’s and going in that stuff.” Look up some kudzu photo’s via google. Look up rattlesnakes via google. As Silver says….Hell to the NO…most would say if they looked at that kudzu/garbage covered stinking swamp.
And yes I think Casey probably chose the same opening Kronk had found in the thick vines and slung those bags as hard as she could and jumped back in her car to go began living the good life.
This case has so many twists and turns but the facts are in the mounds of evidence and the twists and turns and lies cannot hide the TRUTH.
Interesting tidbit– it is a possibility that certain dog handlers (using the term LOSELY to say the least) had decomposition scenting materials with them outside a vehicle on that stretch of Suburban Drive– there’s indication of this on video/audio.
The video does not show what is being shown to a dog, or how, it’s audio only, so we don’t know more than audio indicates. The dog could have had an article of Caylee’s, an unlaundered article, a toy or sock or tee-shirt. There could be articles aside from decomposition scents.
My question would be, what did these ‘dog handlers’ bring to that ‘block’ on Suburban, and did any of their material drop onto the ground? Not that this was a consequence in this case, but it’s interesting if these people did bring decomp, or DNA containing aged human bloody items to what would become a crime scene.
Could this be a concern for George Anthony? Did he know that other amateur handlers brought these sorts of materials to the scene? He’s not stupid– he has to know that if a drug scent is brought to a drug bust, well– defense hayday! Not in this case, time, hurricanes, complete skeletonization, tested actual bone, but who knows what ‘theoretical’ contamination could have been used had the body been discovered by these dog handlers (by happenstance/accident no doubt) and had they had decomp in hand at the time).
Did LE investigate what these amateurs brought into the area? Did they realize what these dog handlers were doing and what they had with them? (certainly not experience, training, knowledge, expertise to do what they claim to have done)
IF not decomp scent, then did they use an article of Caylee’s own unwashed clothing, toy, etc, and WHO provided that? (goes to the family knowing and approving a search for arguably a live Caylee or Caylee related articles in the woods).
In everyone’s opinion, is the forensic evidence enough for a conviction?
I forgot who posted on the other thread when I talked about George sneaking down to the LE ,not wanting Cindy and Lee to know, and spilled his guts…no pun intended on his throwing up….
But, I was asked did I think George was in the doghouse with Cindy when that all came out. I think George has been in the doghouse with Cindy even before she sought a divorce lawyer and found out she would have to pay him alimony, plus give him half the assets…(which by this time, was almost on the courthouse steps being sold)….I wonder if George found out about the real reason she did not divorce him when all the spotlight background media blitz hit?
Don’t you all think there has been a lot of crap hitting the fan in that marriage? But, then to milk the gravy train, they stand united. Go figure…money talks…B/S walks…lol
Someone will have to tell us who all in Orlando dresses up as the most vile grandparents for halloween…..would make me run for sure.
I’d be afraid they’d start doing what they do best…running their mouths….
Enjoy the fun with little one’s who trick or treat tonight and be careful my fellow Blinkers….
ok maybe I am missing something but why would Kronk have any legal fees? He’s not on trial doesnt need a defender, is not sueing anyone so does not need council, what does he actually need a lawyer for in this case? And if he does need council why would his employer be paying for it in the first place? Someone clear this up for me. Thanks
And the one thing I have a problem with in regards to Kronk and his buddies back in Aug 08…How does a dead snake trump a dead child or at that time the possibility of it being a dead child. These guys are ADHD if you ask me cuz something is wrong with that sceanerio.