Morgan Harrington Case: Separating Fact From Fiction From Facebook Part II
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Charlottesville, VA– Just passing the month mark, the disappearance of Morgan Harrington from the John Paul Jones Area located on the UVA campus, leaves us with more questions than answers. Part II
The Faces of Her Facebook
Help Find Morgan Harrington was developed by a few concerned individuals interested in spreading the word about Morgan’s disappearance and boasts over 30,000 members. Not all posts are welcome.
In particular, a member by the name of Nelson Kane was recently banned for posting very detailed hypothesis scenarios that sparked a firestorm of interest in the self-appointed athlete scout. His posts were deleted at the request of Law Enforcement who admit tasking two officers with monitoring the web for such activity in Morgan’s case.
Additionally, Mr. Kane reached out to several individuals on facebook as well as the Harrington family’s findmorgan.com site in attempts to speak to the family directly and request an interview. The Harrington’s were made aware of the concern for such requests by sources close to the investigation.
He has recently changed his facebook drastically. 
Mr. Kane, a member of the family owning the longtime furniture store of the same name in Charlottesville is also a UVA alumni and season ticket holder. In addition to UVA, Kane also claims to have attended Virginia Tech on many of his many social networking profiles. He also fancies himself as somewhat of a Rock band critic.
On his site, nkscouting.com which he has maintained 
since 2001, Kane chronicles his trips to scout mostly High School basketball and football athletes. In an effort to make his site more interesting (his words) he details the travel experience, routes, times and in some cases photos of his visits to High Schools mostly within a few hours driving distance.
Very early on in Morgan’s case, blinkoncrime.com explored the idea that perhaps the double murder of VT freshmen David Metzler and Heidi Childs on August 27th should be investigated as a possible link to Morgan’s case simply because they attend the school and Morgan and Heidi bare a remarkable resemblance to one another.
As far as very odd coincidences go, the location of Nelson Kane’s scouting foray the evening of the August 28th could not be more relevant.
Kane scouted the game at Jefferson Forest High School. The very 
School Heidi Childs graduated from a year earlier. Unlike most of Kane’s other journal entries of his athlete accolades, there is no mention of his travel experience to or from Forest High School so it is unclear where he left from, when he got there, or when he returned home.
This is in no way an accusation that Mr. Kane had any involvement whatsoever in such a heinous crime, of course, but given his proclivities for leaving at all hours of the day and night his keen attention to travel detail and familiarity with the area: Perhaps he saw someone or something amiss in his trip that could help investigators.
On Saturday October 17th, Kane scouts a game, listens to the UVA football game on his way home and is home in plenty of time to make the concert.
Blink how do you know he was at the concert you ask? I do not. I do know he knows alot about security at the JPJ Arena, how to navigate the different lots near Uhall, and of course that there are blue portable lavatories next to Lanigan Field. His posts from the Charlottesville Daily Progress below:
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drop them off at concert and pick them up….in Morgan’s car? or did the plans change before the concert about the car…so was mysterious man in Morgan’s car?…so he had Morgan’s keys?..if he drove?
MsL–I thought that was funny! Everything is cyclical, even when you read from the bottom!
Poe truly was at Uva for a semester to study languages, but left due to money issues (gambling). He married his 13-year-old cousin, Virginia
(Yeah, geeky English major here).
I mostly studied him through Chaz Baudelaire (another whackadoodle, son of a Fr.poodle) who translated the Raven (Le Corbeau). (French minor)
Creeps me out to this day if I think of the line “c’est le vent et rien de plus” or “dit le corbeau: ‘jamais plus.’” ooooh!
(Please correct me if I’ve gotten Poe wrong here. It’s been a hecka while…)
Thanks acho. I was on Ivy Rd. several times today but didn’t see anything…I’m watching the news now. Not sure it was anything…any more from concernedmom? It seems like someone has a gag order on Spencer Hawes and Courtney Stuart from the Hook…they are usually on it over there. Great reporters. It’s not surprising, though, to hear Nothing from the Daily Progress. Courtney are you out there? Anyone from WCAV? NBC29? Where have you all gone?
Watching the Charlottesville news tonight regarding any story on a further search of Ivy Road, they have said nothing about it. Neither NBC or CBS local affiliates’ websites mention it, either. I was on Ivy Road today and didn’t see any signs of a search but that certainly doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. If they are searching Ivy Road again there must be something very specific they are looking for or a tip because so much time, weather and car & foot traffic have passed since the last search that it can’t be a general search.
I was wrong, the Copeley Road bridge does have a sidewalk on only one side, the East side. The West side does not.
Mr. Poe lived on the West Lawn in Room 13, true that. The rooms have fireplaces, but you have to go outside to get to the restrooms still today. It’s a huge honor to live on the Lawn now, not sure if it was when Edgar Allen lived there.
here’s more food for thought:
what if ss’s boyfriend is the one Morgan called to come back around the arena and pick her up due to the fact she was out of the arena, however she got there. (my theory of unfortunate events)
he started coming on to her and she knowing that this was sick…she rejected him and bam he overpowers her and dumps her on some back woods site he knows of. (i.e. waynesboro/crozet way) he has plenty of time to get back to ss and the others. concert is nowhere near over! maybe he knows of this area because he lives here and goes to school here. i mean cville and hburg areas and all in between. i would be curious to know if the two are still together or if that night tore them apart??? maybe uva bbplayers did see her last and maybe they can id the vehicle on the bridge. maybe it was Morgan’s! and maybe Morgan did stick out her thumb, joking with ss’s boyfriend. she had no way of knowing of what was about to happen to her.
there are so many unanswered questions. but we all must keep trying to help out Morgan and her family. i for one, became down, depressed or whatever you want to call it, a couple of weeks ago. now shopping with my own teenage daughter for christmas made me reaffirm my committment to help. Morgan should be out shopping with her mother!!!
Localcvillegirl: I know, someone above was wishing a journalist would go out in search of answers to all these questions, and Courteney was the first person I thought of. I wish she would just go for it. My bet is she gave up after running into brick walls at UVa (you’ve seen how they’ve stonewalled on other controversies, much as I love the place). Keep pressing, Courteney!
And yes! Hawes is oddly quiet, too. Either loyalty to UVa or someone told them to bug off. (Yes I am trying to egg them into doing a new story.)
I am in contact with a few of them, nobody is pressing this case right now, sadly.
B
I don’t know what the RV lot was like the night Morgan disappeared, but last night, as friends and I were walking across Copeley bridge, and along Copeley Road to see The Rockettes at JPJ, we noticed that the RV lot was the brightest lit lot in the area. It was lit by several sets of the generator or battery powered portable lights. Also, there have been a number of questions about what security wear. I didn’t think to pay attention to what the parking lot attendants were wearing other than noticing their reflective vests, but inside security wear as has been stated, khaki pants and white shirts. Rather than wearing black vests as has been stated, they wear navy blue vests with the Virginia logo V over crossed sabers on the left shoulder. I don’t know whether the police presence remains during the show, but there were many, many police officers on duty directing traffic flow. If they do remain at their posts, it would seem that anyone realizing he/she was in danger would be close to assistance. That makes me doubt that Morgan would have headed toward the bridge in order to escape a perceived danger. If she was indeed seen on the bridge, it would seem that it was either due to a condition of confusion or was a purposeful decision.
sue (re: #2341)
I think you may be circling a cul-de-sac, sue… have you tried re-starting your GPS?
; )
Enquirer, B (re: #2342)
“I have heard that mysterious, lawyered up, male member of the Harrington party that night did not attend the concert and the plan was for him to drop them off at the concert and pick them up afterwards? Have you heard something similar?
Would certainly put a few pieces of the puzzle together.”
“I have.”
- B
It would indeed fit some of the open spaces remaining in the puzzle. Namely, I’d think if SS and SS’s BF could have arranged for a ride back up to Harrisonburg, after the show it would have saved time for MH and AM, who had to be around their home-base early Sunday. It’s possible this “Mystery” fifth wheel was supposed to get a ticket to the show or buy one at the door but was unable to at the last minute, thus MH asking dad for gas money for “the person” driving, but having to take her own car unexpectedly, despite not wanting to drive (i.e. studying in the back if that’s true – regardless, someone else drove).
But, while Mystery Man couldn’t attend, suppose he still promises to give his JMU friends a ride back up the 45 min from Cville to Hburg, because that aspect of the planned trip was never part of MH’s plan – she likely had to keep focused on studying Sunday with (Metallica-ticket-buying) dad, and the idea of driving back to Hburg to party/sleep-over would make what was already to be an early next-morning that much more difficult.
So, M-Man either gives the other mutual-friend group of JMU students a ride down (friends with DG? Dee?) or he says he’ll head down around 10 and meet up with with local Cville folks he knows or go to a bar, waiting for the show to let out and driving them back. (This parts still murky.)
Either way, he’d be the person it’d make sense for MH to call/text once kicked out of the show – she may have known he was already around town or else planning to head down to Cville anyway. If she did get ahold of him and he did pick her up … [fast forward] … then the Friends come out of the show to no MH and no Mystery Man picking them up – and they can’t get ahold of either one, thus deciding to take her car back up to Hburg.
If M-Man was Dee & gang’s ride, maybe that’s why they stayed around, too.
In other words: perhaps there was *another* prominent no-show at the end of the evening besides Morgan. Thus, the JMU crews are subsequently herded into the ol’ lawyer-guarded gag-bag post-haste, once LE realized what/who they were looking at circumstantially.
Anyone feeling me on this?
Yep.
B
MsL, that’s the exact same sense I got from being at JPJ the other night…it’s well-lit and seems safe even on a non-event evening. If Morgan had needed anyone that night, she would have had police or EMS all around, and blue emergency kiosks all the way over to the bridge. She almost certainly was headed to that bridge for a reason…not running from anything. And there are portable kleig lights in several areas of the parking lot, and at every intersection all the way out to the bypass for big events.
J2K….didn’t Skyler(Or someone on here) say she saw someone pulled off the side of the road with a guy standing outside the passenger door? Not sure where she saw this but could it possible be your theory and Morgan was told to meet them around the bridge and that was indeed the car Skyler saw…the M-man could have still had others in the car with him and 1 got out to allow Morgan in……
lol, regarding Poe. I, too, had to scroll up to recall how he had entered the thread. Surely I qualify as a member of the Nevermore Club, based not only on waistline, but on having an occasional drink in the bar (okay, one of the many bars that make this claim) where the poem was written. I will say the constant flock of ominous ravens there strengthens their claim.
Regarding the trends of thinking on this thread, I’m sensing a coming convergence of at least a couple of paths. Where do the circles of friends and basketball players overlap? If I’m reading correctly,in the last hundred posts, both the mysterious friend-of-a-friend’s-boyfriend (or someone along those lines) and one or more of the basketball players have given her a ride. Are we headed for a collision?
… and following that logic: how did the remaining JMU kids (Dee & Co.) get back up the to Hburg the next day? These groups’ rides between Cville and Hburg may be totally unrelated, but it’d be good to know if, at some point, Mystery Man re-emerged (playing out this scenario), and drove some of these post-concert peoples back up to JMU on Sunday.
Or! Consider SS’s comment to Dee, which DS noted in an interview: “When we asked if they were meeting us…(They said) ‘someone’s missing.’”
What if the Friends said their *ride* was missing? (As, MH allegedly saying she was getting her own way home several hours prior made her a mere afterthought at that point). Thus, they couldn’t meet up for a few in Cville with fellow JMUers – they had to figure out their method home or get ahold of their planned driver…
Wheel’s a-turnin…
Add in Lt. Rader’s statement that the friends had no plans to meet up with Morgan after the concert, and knew they might not see her afterword.
B
Still reading backwards and saw that IBE asked, if there are no coal mines in Virginia, then where does all of the coal come from? There are coal mines in Virginia, but not in our part of the state, at the foot of the Blue Ridge Mountains (Piedmont.) I was surprised when a previous poster mentioned mines in the Charlottesville area. I’ve lived here all my life, and do not recall ever hearing of a mine. Quarries and caves, but mines, I don’t believe so. I know there are several old quarries near Charlottesville and in the Shenandoah Valley that are no longer operating and are now filled with water. From what I’ve heard, some of these quarries are very deep. Suppose they could be another possibility if someone needed to quickly dispose of something or, sadly, someone no longer wanted.
actually, I guess there are three paths that could merge–the ex-or-never-was BF, the friend-of-a-friend’s-boyfriend-or-someone-associated-with-the-drive, and one or more the basketball players.
Of course, even if the paths merge, I still can’t see where it ends.
Right Lizzy, and as much as I’ve tried to believe that the basketball players had nothing to do with this…what if it’s that the two who spoke to LE are just covering for another player. What if this 3rd player were a friend of the Mystery Male who was off at another site (party) with Morgan’s car, waiting to pick up the girls. Or waiting for the call from Morgan. And this was not coincidence that the players were just getting out of practice. The 3rd player is the one UVa is nervous about…lawyered up right away, bigger even than UVa. UGH, I hate to even speculate about this scenario.
oh, my bad — it was the Raven, not the Crow, in the words of Mr. Poe — : )
My son and his roomie came for supper and we were watching some of the Lamb of God video from the concert — and there he was — his head — right there on YouTube — but he was on a different side of the stage than where the girl who “might” be Morgan was — he said there were a lot of blonde girls there that night in black t-shirts —
but I, too, have been thinking of the mysterious male driver today —
if he dropped the girls off at the concert, then how does that play w/ the witness who claims he was parked beside them and noticed Morgan when she got out of the car “we’re here to see Metallica, right?” — so how did he manage to get the exact same parking space to pick them up so the above witness could see Morgan wasn’t with them at the conclusion of the concert ?? And then I read somewhere else that the male driver was the BF of someone else that wasn’t in the car —
there’s such spin on everything — is there any one piece of “fact” that can be confirmed ?
but this has been bothering me the past few days — I read somewhere — either here or on one of the FB pages — someone said that Va. still allows hunters to take out the dogs and that the dogs could potentially discover Morgan’s remains — which is a good thing ….
but how heartbreaking is this — happy that hunters can let out the dogs so they can find your dead daughter’s body —
they have to find Morgan soon –
I think we are past the untrained dog helping us out, but it is better than not.
B
Dear DTA,
I’m sorry if my addressing you in my post in any way called you out. I did not mean to make you feel bad.
I am also new to internet blogging. Blink’s site is the very first and so far, only site I have posted my comments. I like you, felt safe to do so here. Everyone seems so caring, and Blink never allows any of us to get out of hand. By the way, great job picking your name I wish I would have had the sense to choose something like DTA. It is so weird for other posters to have to call me MOM!
I feel so terrible that I may have scared you away or hurt you. I think your comments are very insightful. And with out your contributions we would be missing the whole school paper angle. So, thank you for all you do and please, keep doing it! You in no way said anything bad about Morgan, I just used your post as a jumping off point to say hey these pics are different ect. DTA, you don’t have to justify your feelings to me or anyone else here at BOC. Although,I thank you for laying it all on the line and bearing your soul to help me understand where you are coming from. I really respect that. You seem to have a wonderful family and you must be so proud of them and they you.
DTA you wrote: What the photos represented to me was new ideas about Morgan’s friends and her lifestyle apart from the famous 9. Many sides to Morgan as we all have. My nephew is a Detective for the District Attorney’s office here in California and discussing this with him one thing he said that stuck with me was “when solving a case it is always helpful to know as much as possible about the person and their habits, friends, etc. There may be a clue in so many things.
I agree with you 100% especially the last sentence.
DTA, you wrote: Maybe I should have stayed in banking instead of blogging. I am not sure I am getting the hang of things on how to talk. I care about Morgan and her family just as you all do.
Don’t you dare stop blogging you are doing great. I would have never known you were a newbie! Any one who has read any of your posts can surely tell that you care so much about Morgan and her family, Oh and I’m still getting the hang of this too,so relax and let’s get back to sleuthing! Peace to you my internet friend, Momof3
DTA-
Your doing great, your among friends here, Mom, as always your a smartie and kind soul.
B
Is that right? That a 3rd bb player hired a “big” lawyer? I missed/forgot that one.
And a male friend (SS boyfriend) who somehow was along on the trip hired a lawyer?
And we have no idea about the friend-of-a-friend who may or may not have been along or around, so we don’t know if he has a lawyer or not, right?
And, as for the ex-or-never-BF??
I think I need to get out some game pieces, label them, and see if any of them STACK.
add in the west lawn factor… friends staying at uva… morgan spotted on west lawn in the wee hours.. a still “active” medical emergency call to same as reported by vsp during same time period… location of west lawn to arena… poe living on west lawn?… bball player suspensions immediately following… no pictures.. no one talking… something big is up… ALMIGHTY big
Tell me someone…..Is there an elephant in the room??
Why has the male who rode with the four girls in the car from JMU never been identified. For what reason and how can that remain a ‘secret’??
I read…and this is not verified, so FWIW, that the male is the boyfriend of Morgan’s friend who did not attend the concert.The male and his girlfriend attend JMU. That the male friend did not attend the concert. That he drove Morgan’s car and he had Morgan’s keys and not Sarah.
They (who all?) drove Morgan’s car back to wherever they stayed that nite.
Question is, did the JMU male friend of Morgan’s girlfriend drive Morgan’s car while the rest of them were in the concert? Did he come back in time to enter the concert before it ended? Or, did he bring the car back to the arena and wait outside? Or, did he leave the car in the arena lot and walk to……a party or somewhere.
Did Morgan text him? Did she ask him to bring the keys to him? Did they meet up again outside of the arena while the others were still inside the concert.
Who is this mystery male and why is he a mystery from the public when all of the names of the female friends were released.
Am I way off base to think that he might be a key player in all of this??
Answers, someone, please…..
If he is not, this was a bad strategy on his behalf. I dont get it.
B
DTA, See I told you I was new to this also. In my previous post I got you mixed up with another poster when I said I wouldn’t have seen the newspaper clipping.
So, I am posting some of the comments you made that I appreciate so much:
#422 Comment by DTA — November 25, 2009 @ 11:43 am
Yes I agree about the word “approached” I also would like to know 2 things. First the article said she told her friends by cell phone she might try to hitchhike. Was that a text or did the friends suggest this. I do not trust the friends. Is that what LE considers confirmed. Also It says the BB players confirmed a female approaching that was Consistant with MS. Harrington’s appearance. To me these are not confirmed.
#556
Blink,
First I want to say Thank you for your website. It is wonderful and all the people on this site are kind and caring as you are. That is not always the case in the other sites. You are truly for the victim and they need a voice because people are disappearing at an alarming rate these days and it just seems that the media just moves on to the next one so many are forgotten. My heart aches for the Harrington’s and so many that have been waiting years with no word about their missing loved ones.
This case has so many missing pieces and LE has said so little it makes me think they are not purposely hiding information but that they cannot put together a real crime yet. No body, and not enough evidence. I know you believe they have a POI and part of me thinks so too but they cannot prove yet what has actually happened. I am a very forgiving person also and I think alot like Gil Harrington but when it comes to my kids I can be a cougar. I am not sure why the parents are so eager to say the friends are not at fault, maybe not at fault but I do not think they have not been honest and neither does the majority of the public. I still believe they know something that would help the case. Could it be the unidentified male with them is a minor? It just does not make sense that they would not name him. It makes no sense that the car has not been processed. This entire case makes no sense. I do not believe the hitchhiking and am surprised LE has put that out there. I do believe she was with someone she trusted or thought she could trust???
#723 Comment by DTA — November 30, 2009 @ 6:21 pm
This story has so many possibilities, but I still believe as you do Blink that it is someone she knew and the friends knew too. I have never believed the friends stories from the start and with friends like these who needs enemies. One thing I do think is it is strange that a beautiful girl like Morgan did not have many boyfriends as Gil stated once. If she was really shy maybe but she did not seem shy. Maybe there was someone that was not known to everyone. I also do not understand why LE and the Harrington’s feel the friends are being honest. Even if they were, I would be very upset if my child’s friends treated my child with such disregard. I too agree it was someone she knew and the friends knew but for some reason I think LE has made some errors I just do not think they are silent because they have a POI but I do think they have somehow mishandled this. I do not mean to sound negative but this is sooooo frustrating I just think more should be done. Love the site though Blink and I pray everyday for the Harrington’s and for Morgan. Just venting I guess.
#894 Comment by DTA — December 2, 2009 @ 2:19 am
I really think this case has NOT been handled well at all. If you compare this to the Drew Peterson case, LE was not acting this way. They thought he was guilty, they did not come out and say it but several things did come out. Many interviews were done by the media and the family really pressed. I just do not get any of this and I really do think that Ms. Geller is being honest when she says they have no suspects. I think the Harrington’s are too kind. They need to press more maybe even hire their own PI. So much time has passed and nothing. It is as though this time has been wasted. I am not trying to be negative about LE, many in my own family are in LE as detectives, that is why I really think this is botched or maybe the concern was not there at first. Sorry to sound this way but I just want some peace for the Harrington’s they deserve it. This is so unfair
#1139 Comment by DTA — December 3, 2009 @ 10:44 pm
Ok I can see your point Blink about the old BF. Do you think Gil has similar thoughts. It is as though she is talking directly to someone she knows such as “this has gotten out of hand.” There is never any mention of any boyfriends by anyone. Gil said at one point that Morgan really did not have many boyfriends. That struck me as odd to begin with since she was so pretty and so full of life it seemed. I do not think she was shy. Wouldn’t it be easy to find out about an old BF? Do you have any idea who it could be or have you heard at all about any old BF. I know you cannot name anyone. Just wondered.
I can tell you unilaterally if you ask the bf question to Morgan’s step cousin twice removed’s dog catcher, the answer will be “no comment”. Not being glib, just trying to illustrate what I am finding. Again I say there is a dude involved. That’s as far as I can go.
B
Keep on keeping on DTA, Momof3
J2K:
So, M-Man either gives the other mutual-friend group of JMU students a ride down (friends with DG? Dee?) or he says he’ll head down around 10 and meet up with with local Cville folks he knows or go to a bar, waiting for the show to let out and driving them back. (This parts still murky.)
what if the M-Man is a uva basketball player and this part is not murky at all. He is at basketball practice!!!
Hahaha, Lizzy. No, the 3rd bb player was just a “what if”. What if the two we’ve heard about (though have never had the names confirmed) were just covering for another player, also out of practice at that time. What if he lawyered up right away, effectively putting a gag on everyone…UVa included. Still at practice because that would raise speculation. One player we know about was suspended (for drug use, bad grades?…don’t know) and the other took a leave of absence. There may have been no connection. It could have been two other players who spoke with LE. No one is talking so we don’t know. But say this 3rd bb player is a friend of the unidentified (also lawyered up) guy friend who drove Morgan’s car from JMU to C’ville. I don’t know…this is starting to make my head spin. And I burned our dinner tonight.
Oh whoops, I meant 2374 to Counselor4u. Sorry to confuse everyone with speculation…
My head is spinning! (partially from an ear infection, but this case is not helping) I’m trying to just keep track of the numbers for now–my game pieces.
Counselor4u wrote: “Why has the male who rode with the four girls in the car from JMU never been identified.”
In the car were Sarah Snead, Amy Melvin, Morgan Harrington, and ??? how many more?? Did I miss one? I’ve seen the four before, but thought it was just a miscount. So, how many people (of each gender) do we think were in the car based upon the best available info (bai)?
How many basketball players were in the group that Morgan “approached?” Again, based on bai?
I can’t even count out the pieces, much less label them, and figure out their possible movements.
#2338
Skyler,
I feel the need to clarify about the pics…
Morgan was NOT scarily skinny in any of them. She was thinner in some. She was not huge or even slightly huge in any either. When I made the comment super thin, I was referring to others concerns about her weight. IMO there was nothing alarming about her weight issue in the first place.
Next ,Morgan was NOT kissing a girl in any pic, She was posing with a friend with her tongue sticking out, they weren’t even close to kissing. When I wrote about the”kiss” I was referring to how some may interpret the pic.
Next, when I wrote about the smoking in one pic with her brother Morgan was holding a lit cigarette they were leaning with their backs against a wall. It was from some time ago as Alex had longer hair, and it was not dyed blonde, that is all.
In another pic with a different friend they are holding open cans, the cans are silver,and backwards (no labels) so I wasn’t sure if it was beer or not. Morgan had a tan in this pic as did her friend , which was different then any pic I have seen that is 1 reason I commented on it.
Another pic was Morgan in a shimmery purple dress,the color of the balloons that were let go at the vigil. Her friend who is much shorter had on a red dress.
Another photo showed Morgan and 3 of her friends Carmen Rizzo, Devin?(don’t remember the last name Erin ? (mentioned above and one other I can’t recall.) next to their names was a caption that read taken from Danny or Denny’s juicy 21st.
One photo showed Morgan in front of a garage dressed in black with her hair wavy long and down, she had on several bracelets she seemed happy and in the 2nd was posing with her fists at the camera.
There were 2 or 3 pics of Alex one he has football streaks of black under his eyes, another is a close up, he looks sad, another he his holding his fingers to his temple. Nothing was strange or alarming about thes pics either. They were what I would call artsy, FB My Space pics. 1 pic showed Mom Harrington sitting on a black couch she was in black, she had on several bracelets and rings she could have been making the family’s sign, another just showed a close up of her hands 5 fingers outstretched of the right hand 4 outstretched of the left.
There were no pics of Dan Harrington shown. There were 14 pics in all I believe, and I am sure I am forgetting some.
I hope my recollection can help you see what they looked like. I am sorry everyone couldn’t see them, as DTA wrote they showed Morgan’s varying style and showed her happy and joking in pictures, I agree if these were taken off of Alex’s FB and they were posted for not so good reasons that is horrible. However, THERE WAS NOTHING alarming,shameful bad or wrong in these pics.
there is a very LARGE and complicated elephant in the room?
AAaRG ! Sorry Skyler I meant to reference your post #2318 not2338
=I Time out OK. Let’s back up. Let’s review what we have so far, and please correct me if I am wrong.
Remember, all we have is a purse, a cell phone, and a missing 20 year old. We have a VERY slender time line in which a flurry of supposed activity takes place, then abruptly halts at 9:30pm.
Let’s re live it:
1) We have the boyfriend of a friend that drove to the concert. There were 4 in the car, Morgan in back seat. BF of GF drives Morgans car. 2 other friends ride along. Girlfriend drove alone in separate car. 2 cars were at the concert. In addition, remember, we had a witness saying that they parked next to Morgan’s car, and he interacted with Morgan (or was it Dee). So the car was at that point parked, and all got out. Indications would lead toward the driver just “hanging” out?
2) The boyfriend of friend is not the same as textee. Textee lives out of area. These are 2 separate individuals. Both identities have been hidden from public.
3) one of the above has had, and does have legal council not sure which one.
4) Potentially, Dee and Morgan both were escorted out of the concert at some point. Or asked to leave. Both dressed similar, and were acquntiances, and were to meet up after the concert? However, salient suggestions are that Morgan wandered out, and ended up outside the venue. I have heard both scenarios.
5) Police did say that Morgan did interact with the UVA basketball players. Although we (the public) do not know what exactly the content of that conversation was with the basketball players and any details of the dialouge exchange, we still REALLY do not know if that was really DS or Morgan that they were talking to. (Dee totally plays with my mind….) LE has verified that it was Morgan, but I am still a little suspicious. (Given the proposed theory that Morgan never made it to the concert this would make sense that it may have ben DS) and also, given the fact that so many of the sightings could have been and may have been DS.
6) Oh yes, the FRIENDS! No one is really very clear as to whether “who made the phone/texts to whom” Morgan or SS. Or if it was a combination of phone calls and texting to friends. 9:20pm is it? Ugghhhh
7) SPORTS! The number is (3) UVA basketballplayers. 1 player was suspended, and the other took a leave of absence. I has retained legal council.
So, in summation: who were the last people, or person to talk to Morgan on the night of Oct 17th? This is mulitiple choice, not an essay question:
a) The textee?
b) The BF of a friend (where was he during the concert)
c) The UVA basketball players?
d) FRIENDS
E) or unknown BG possible superficial on line friend unknown to friends
F) BG Psycho
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J2K:
So, M-Man either gives the other mutual-friend group of JMU students a ride down (friends with DG? Dee?) or he says he’ll head down around 10 and meet up with with local Cville folks he knows or go to a bar, waiting for the show to let out and driving them back. (This parts still murky.)
what if the M-Man is a uva basketball player and this part is not murky at all. He is at basketball practice!!!
Stranger coincidences have come to light in this story…
localcvillegirl, thanks for clarifying about the speculation. With so many things not known for sure, it is really hard to keep track. No wonder we both posted that our heads were spinning at about the same time!
I feel like I need a matrix of information, that includes source and degree of credibility/speculation for each piece of info. There really wouldn’t be a lot in the “known facts” column, would there? We could have rows for: purse, phone calls/messages, phone condition and battery, alcohol sales, tickets scanned, chin injury, car location (did it really go back to JMU), friends at concert, basketball players in parking lot, Dave Gardner, granny, boots, tights, outfit, necklace, hitchhiking, 44-year-old, Dee, ex-bf, etc. We could have columns for: confirmed/known facts, probable facts, possibilities, doubtful info, wild speculations, disproved info, etc.
Of course, I have no time to do this; too many deadlines at work. But I’ll come back to it later if this drags on. If so, I’ll need help.
Maybe Blink already has that in her notes?
Momof3, in the pics, the one you identified as “one pic with her brother Morgan was holding a lit cigarette they were leaning with their backs against a wall.”
For that pic, I had a hard time deciding if it was Morgan. She looked so much older in that pic. Not “shiny” at all. In some of the others, she just glowed.
Its not Morgan in that pic
B
Ok, everyone. I’m going to throw a few plates into the air you all can shoot down, point at quizzically, or read the tea leaves on (from a distance).
[... Sorry for the mixed metaphors - I've been in and out tonight.]
Plate 1:
Forget. The. Basketball. Players. They were interviewed a month ago, and there is no indication LE is pursuing that angle. If they were POI, well, there’d be more to support that theory by now (consider all the minute actions or statements of LE we’ve seized upon). Pursuing this angle is like picking up fallen apples next to the Tree of Clues. Reach higher, people.
MH (more than likely) did not know them, and probably approached them for directions, for conversation to kill time, or to borrow a phone.
Plate 2:
Four tickets bought/used “perhaps” (that’s a nod to you, Momof3) – only MH & two members of “The Nine” mentioned. I think SS’s BF was a ticket holder who attended the show with the girl trio/possibly drove in lieu of M-Man- but! who was SS-BF’s roommate/friend? This is whom I believe to be the Mystery Man.
Plate 3:
I’m not saying there was no MH exBF involved – maybe that’s Mystery Man… but it doesn’t have to be – not in this scenario. I can tell you all that I’m fairly attractive and had a few boyfriends ‘twixt high school and college, but there was nothing weird about the fact I did not have a serious BF from the age of 18 through 20 – I was just picky, and had fun being an attractive gal guys liked, but I thought I was too smart for. (me, J2K -pompous! imagine that!)
If we explore this scenario, M-Man could have just been a friend that either encountered MH in a spiraling state that night and made a bad, bad choice in a panicked state of mind … and now doesn’t know how to rectify it, or he/one of his friends victimized her… not sure there.
I just don’t think we have to force an interwoven background between MH and The Ride/M-Man, if this particular scenario actually played out (which could have been a mere clash of circumstances escalated by an ill-though-out momentary decision with tragic life-long consequences).
Ok… SHOOT/Point/Squint!
J2K:
I have felt something similiar to that scenarios early on…you have put it into words so much better than i would have–Thanks!!
fish:
“what if the M-Man is a uva basketball player and this part is not murky at all. He is at basketball practice!!!”
WOW…just gave me goosbebumps!! do we have a winner winner chicken dinner?? You need a prize for that one!
thanks, “Mom” for the description of the pix — I’m a girl who used to like to play dress up, too, and take pictures w/ wacky poses w/ my friends. W/ the advent of digital cameras now, I take pictures all the time of everything, so they were just clowning around —
I’m more interested in why the doggie detective, if he is the one, felt it was necessary to post those pix at all w/ the caption, “The true MH” or whatever it said.
But these words have given me great comfort over the years — my precious nephew died unexpectantly at age 19 from juvenile diabetes. My brother, his father, died eight years prior to that from the same disease. By that point, my brother had lost his vision, had complete renal (kidney) failure, had a kidney transplant, which also failed. My brother played guitar since he was a young boy, and he developed neuropathy in his fingers at the end of his life and could no longer play. Everything that had given him joy, he lost.
My nephew was an incredible young man. I’m not just saying that because I loved him in spite of the fact he was a die hard Redskins fan (Go Cowboys !!) –
he was working for an engineering firm, and even at his young age, he was head of his crew. The firm was paying for his college education because the partners saw so much potential in him and truly cared about him.
At my nephew’s funeral, the pastor said that even though we could not fathom we a young person, so full of life, so full of hope, was taken much too soon. But he left during the prime of his life. He had played football in high school, was an avid surfer — lived at the beach — never let his disease stop him from doing something — none of us knew what the future held for him — perhaps debilitating health associated w/ chronic diabetes — and that we should celebrate his life, as he lived it —
From her beautiful pictures, Morgan seemed happy — she was enjoying her life — she loved her family, and her family and friends loved her —
As painful as this is, and I know it is so painful to us, I can’t begin to fathom what her parents are going thru, look at how much this one life has touched us all —
I don’t think there are any of us here who will ever not think of Morgan for the rest of our lives — and I hope in those memories we remember her, and all of us that have come together to find her, with affection and celebration for her life —
for those who are interested, there’s a prayer vigil for Morgan — a personal moment of silence, at 12 noon EST.
That kind of makes sense. They would want to keep the male that rode up with them quiet if he was a Basketball player. But then I have to ask what was he doing down there. Wouldn’t he stay and play in Charlottesville?
I saw the pix of Morgan as well and I agree with Skyler, there was NOTHING alarming, shameful, bad or wrong in these pix. Morgan was hamming it up for the camera, her brother Alex is a stylist in New York and these pix came from his Facebook and were private. They appear to be a sophisticated, artsy stylish family and Gil was in the pix and it all seemed to be in the spirit of fun.
Now the mystery man scenario has my head spinning. I am glad Dan Harrington is posting which must be so hard what a brave man. God I wish we could find Morgan.
Could someone please tell me how it is possible for this BF to remain
unknown?
These are college students for God’s sake. College students with friends. I would think that this would be a high profile case on Morgan’s college campus. Wouldn’t the students be talking about it? Face Book/Myspace how is it that this guy’s name isn’t splashed all over cyberspace? Just the fact the BF is trying to stay anonymous is enough to get these college students talking.
I don’t think it would take a PI to break this one. Anyone who wanted to go sit a the commons area of VT/JMU (alittle confused on what college Morgan was attending) and talk to a few students would probably be able to get a name and several theories as to why this BF is lawyered up.
Why the local news reporters are not digging into this story is somewhat of a quandry to me? I remember when it meant something to be a news reporter. They were quasi PI’s, What’s UP?
I am still stuck regarding the car keys. If the M-Man drove and didn’t attend the concert, and Morgan was forced to leave the venue, and it was cold and raining…wouldn’t he be the one she calls? to either come get her or to let her sit inside her own car to keep warm and dry?…so…when she said she would get a ride…leaving her car and keys behind…did he then keep the keys and drive her car again with the girls after the concert?….also..sorry for being spastic about it….i wish I knew if her house keys were on the chain with her car keys because if they were..I am so surprised she didn’t remember to ask for them back when they parked. Did her car stay parked in the same spot during the concert? Didn’t the witness see her car after the concert? I wish LE would make some statements.
Morning. J2K, I’d love to erase the speculation about the bb players…will do. I’ve tried from the git go (when they came into the picture) to down-play their involvement, and have even been fussed at by the likes of onbelief. I just wish they’d speak up because it makes it look like they’ve got something to hide. Maybe it’s that they either saw the car Morgan “hitched” a ride with, or they knew who was in the car and have to stay quiet. I don’t see how they, or any other player on the team, would have had the time to have a prior relationship with a VT student. They literally practice all the time. So OK, I’m definately willing to let them go. Again.
I just wish we could know a little more. The lawyered-up guy who came with the girls from JMU is driving me crazy. The “friends” are driving me crazy, and the parents of these kids are not looking too quality at this point.
So I think I’ll sit back and wait for some news.
Chad — December 15, 2009 @ 11:34 pm
Chad, clearly you are sharing my need to assess the facts. But, so far, our lists don’t match that well. Here’s some notes on some of the items you have listed above, for my own clarification, and to try to help with the “correct me if I’m wrong.” I have no way of being sure if you are wrong, but here’s my best stab at it.
1. “Girlfriend drove alone in separate car.” Which girlfriend? It is known that there were two cars? Or is this speculation to make it work out that 4 tickets were used without the driver attending? (Source for 2 cars? Source for number of friends?)
4. Is it really potential that Dee was kicked out of the concert? She only came into the discussion because she was identified on the video, which was at the end of the concert. I think it has been pretty much eliminated that Dee was kicked out, and that possibility arose because of the sloppy language of a telecaster. However, I agree that we don’t know when she arrived, so she can’t be eliminated from many of the sightings.
5. Although not impossible if she arrived really late, the sighting with the bb players is less likely to be Dee than some of the other sightings. It was later, so she was more likely to be in the concert. Where were her male friends that she attended with while she talked to the bb players? (Unless she was waiting for her bb player friends to get out of practice, but if that was the case, they would certainly not mistake her for Morgan would they?) If the bb player sighting was Dee, it would have to be deliberate misdirection/misidentification. My conclusion: it is more than likely it was Morgan; if not, an unidentified look-a-like, either accidental or deliberate (improbable but not impossible)
6. LE was pretty clear that the friends called Morgan, not vv, and that was their last communication at 8:48. The subsequent texting was with someone else until as late as 9:20, the direction of the texting sounded mutual but was not clearly defined. This one is in my “known facts” column.
7. What is the source for knowing 3 basketball players? What is the source for knowing that those suspended/leave of absence were among those who talked to Morgan?
In response to your question: The last KNOWN people to talk to Morgan were (c) the bb players. After that, who knows?
Chad, the intent of my response is not to debunk or challenge your list. I greatly appreciate that you are trying to get the best-known information down, and it is a help for my own slowly-progressing matrix exercise. When I ask for source, it is not to challenge anything, but because I am trying to identify the source for everything that I include. Thanks.
This may be a little off topic but I found it interesting.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/12/15/sexual.assaults.college.campuses/index.html
As LE themselves will tell you, follow the money.
Who has a stake in wanting this story to go away? UVA, if their BB players were involved, even if just adding to the level of MH’s impairment thru partying. JPJ if arena personnel were negligent. Those are big operations with a lot of money to spend on legal counsel. A BG who’s a rich young man could keep his name out of the investigation for a time, but good local reporters wouldn’t just back off a rich kid, even if he’s related to a politician or LE–not enough of a corporate veil.
OTOH, UVA/JPJ are important to C’ville–revenue-, tax-, and reputation-wise. Don’t want to bite the hand. I’m not saying LE’s not doing their best, but they and reporters may be hitting a lot of corporate walls.
To me, the BB players are looking better again for SOME kind of involvement–but that doesn’t make any of them the key BG.
We could add, nymom, that VT has a stake in this as well. They have proven over the past few years that they don’t have great counseling services, among other things. They’ve just had the state come out with a report against the way they handled the Cho mass shooting. They had a beheading last year by a student right on campus in one of the common areas. And another former student involved in a mass shooting at Fort Hood. They probably don’t want any more bad press right now. Or maybe they’ve got bigger issues on their plate. Maybe JMU is trying to help protect their students, the “friends” of Morgan. Maybe the mystery man is the son of some big JMU or Tech alumnus. The answers are more likely to lie in Blacksburg, Harrisonburg, and Roanoke. Who were Morgan’s friends, what were her habits, what was her life like before she even came to the concert?
JPJ was built for the UVa basketball teams…maybe Charlottesville is not savvy enough to handle the concerts that come along with the space.
NYMom,
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. Since this happened at UVA, both the University police and the Charlottesville police would be involved..am I right Blink? There is no doubt in my mind that UVA is the one with the “gag order”.
We are missing something here people, Crime 101 always asks Motive.
Who is most likely to want to hurt MH or her family?
Here is another interesting site
http://www.ncava.org/ncavamain.html
Re: Alex’s comment “…i wish I knew if her house keys were on the chain with her car keys because if they were..I am so surprised she didn’t remember to ask for them back when they parked.”
My guess is that at that point in the evening she fully intended to be returning to JMU (and subsequently VT) with her friends, so no need to take back her keys.
My theory/belief is that it wasn’t until she was outside the arena that she changed her plans. Her path through the parking lot and her alleged hh on the bridge indicates she had a plan, a clear destination. I am trying to make sense of what that destination might have been as I think it holds the key to figuring out what happened to Morgan.
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One more thought-
I thought I read somewhere that there is going to be a vigil for Morgan. Probably at the 2 month point right before XMAS (Wow just realized that would be tomorrow).
I’m not exactly sure when, but I would bet that there will be friends of Morgan’s there and lots of information being spread around.
Of course, it could very well be a follow-the-money scenario (and godnoze I love conspiracies), but it could also be our A.D.D./short attention span society where things just fall out of the news cycle—esp when no progress seems to be being made— and I guess (but don’t really know) that they also tiptoe their way to the cold case file in the same manner. I imagine they get new cases to work on, and with limited resources, the older cases kind of get put on the back burner. Plus in this case they (LE) have the “we don’t even know if a crime has been committed” line to fall back on.
I’m quite cynical, so I am picturing a smug FBI agent with his thumbs under his arms and chest puffed out saying that she probably just ran away and that it’s a waste of time to look any more, and let’s all put this down in our files as ‘no evidence of a crime’ instead of ‘unsolved’ because it’s better for my stats and my annual performance review.
OK, taking my time and going over the facts very slowly, I keep coming back to the same key person – the mysterious male who was with them. Here’s why –
1) The most obvious, they are keeping his name quiet and he has lawyered up
2) If he drove Morgan’s car, had Morgan’s keys, Morgan got outside the arena (regardless of how she got there), couldn’t get back in to the arena, he didn’t attend the convert so….the most logical person Morgan would contact would be him, right? That is practically a no brainer
Found it-
It is a benefit concert on Dec. 19! Wink! Wink! News Reporters!!!