Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Andrea Lyon Shows Her Thought Bubble
Orlando, FL– At a Defense Attorney Peer Lecture in Orlando, Florida last year, the self appointed “Angel of Death Row” lead defense attorney in the case against Casey Anthony for the murder of her daughter Caylee Marie, shows the world her thought bubble, courtesy of Bill Scheaffer, Legal analyst for WFTV.
It is unclear how Mr. Scheaffer attained the recorded audio which has since been removed from the WFTV site, but what is clear is Ms. Lyon knew her segment was being recorded.
..My Client is human, it’s the jury I’m worried about..” ..Sometimes ugly is presiding… or do you have really great judges in Florida?.. “I have a case right now where both the crime and my clients confession are on on videotape.. I just think that’s unfair.. I mean, one or the other, but both?..
I wonder if anyone has asked Alton Logan what he thinks about it?
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I think the “theory” of Lyons, et al that RK took the day before off to place the remains where they were found will be shot full of holes. Haven’t there been releases from entomologists, etc that the remains had been there a very long time, as evidenced by the growth of weeds, etc that had made their way through the bag and poor Caylee’s remains.
I really this clown defense is causing so much damage. The damage they do (unintentioanlly) that will back fire on Casey I am fine with BUT, on the miniscule chance they somehow get her off, I am moving out of the country.
NJsleuth, I’m going with you. But then, anywhere out of FL would be out of the insanity — er — country.
http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/decisions/pre2004/ops/sc95855.pdf
Petitioner……J.A.B.=Jose Angel Baez
speak about prior bad acts……
Remember Mr. Sheaffer’s quoting that old Defense lawyer adage:
“When you don’t have the law on your side, argue the facts; When you don’t have the facts on your side, argue the law; When you have neither, attack the Prosecutor; Failing that, pray for a miracle!”
The 25 November motion-filing spree is their arguing the law. They’re desperate
10 More Motions Filed By Casey’s Defense
ORLANDO — Just before court closed for the Thanksgiving holiday, Casey Anthony’s lawyers filed 10 new motions.
The motions involve constitutional issues Casey’s defense team thinks will have an impact on her trial.
The defense filed papers questioning the constitutionality of Florida’s death penalty.
They also want certain jury instructions deemed unconstitutional.
Anthony’s next court appearance is set for Dec. 11 for a pre-trial conference in her check fraud case.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/11/27/10_more_motions_filed_by_caseys_defense
Casey Anthony: lawyer’s audio dies; messages alive and kicking
Adding more controversy to the high profile murder case, reactions to Anthony defense lawyer Andrea Lyon’s 2008 death penalty lecture tape, obtained “without permission,” and now removed from an Orlando TV’s Internet site–continue, as two criminal attorneys and a watchful blogosphere sustain a heated debate over the material’s shocking content.
In Orlando, TV station WFTV pulled the highly inflammatory Andrea Lyon recording–in which the Casey Anthony defense lawyer describes negative, or “ugly” courtrooms encountered during cases she has tried, prompting her to remark that “sometimes ‘ugly is presiding” in a courtroom.
In the taped speech, Lyon also opines that some victims’ advocates “wear strap-ons,” and categorizes certain women with blue hair who carry “pocketbooks” as “killer” jurors.
Although the tape is no longer viewable on the TV station’s web site, controversy over Lyon’s lecture continues, reflected in two opposing legal analysts’ blogs, reported in Orlando’s newspaper, TV stations and as expressed by people who listened to the recording of Lyon’s lecture before it was removed.
On Nov. 23, WFTV’s Kathi Belich aired what the Orlando Sentinel’s Hal Boedeker terms an “eye-opening report on Andrea Lyon,” now the death penalty counsel for Casey Anthony, facing trial for the murder of her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee.
The tape was posted in conjunction with Belich’s report. Currently, Lyon’s lecture is available on YouTube.
In the still-accessible tape, the strident, anti-capital punishment lawyer and DePaul University’s director of the Center for Justice in Capital Cases, recommends tactics she uses during the penalty phase of criminal trials, when she argues against the death punishment for convicted criminals that the jury could “kill,” she states. In remarks concerning the Lyon tape, Bill Sheaffer–WFTV’s outspoken legal expert critical of the Casey Anthony defense–who says his real interest is “justice for Caylee,” requests people not hold all defense lawyers in the same light as they view Andrea Lyon, whose “scorched earth policy,” “take no prisoners” case strategies appear in the “Death is Different,” 2008 seminar where Andrea Lyon spoke.
MORE….
http://www.examiner.com/x-23328-True-Crime-Examiner~y2009m11d27-Casey-Anthony-ugly-no-longer-presiding-TV-station-pulls-audio-of-death-penalty-lecture
Motions files Nov 25 2009 by Baez and Lyon:
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute Section 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
11/25/2009 Memorandum of Law
in Support of Defendant’s Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Under Ring vs. Arizona
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
11/25/2009 Memorandum
Supporting Motion to Declare Fla. Stat. 921.141(5)(h) and/or the Standard (5)(h) Jury instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant’s Motion to Declare Section 921.141(5)(d) Florida Statute and/or the Section 921.141(5)(d) Standard Instruction Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied and to Preclude their Application at Bar
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statutes 921.141(5)(I) Unconstitutional and to Preclude its Use in the Present Case
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant’s Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141(5)(L) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied, and to Preclude its Use in the Case at Bar
11/25/2009 Motion
(Defendant’s) for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant’s Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Circumstances
11/25/2009 Other
Table of Exhibits in Support of Defendant’s Motion for a Statement of Particulars Providing Notice of Aggravating Factors
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant’s Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Objection
Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Other
Table of Exhibits for Defendant’s Written Objection to the Standard Jury Instruction on Reasonable Doubt
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare 921.141(5)(M) Unconstitutional Facially and as Applied (Victim Vulnerable Due to Age, Disability, or Familial or Custodial Authority)
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare 921.141 Florida Statutes Unconstitutional Because it Improperly Shifts Burdens of Proof to the Defendant, Thereby Creating a Presumption of Death
11/25/2009 Motion
to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury’s Role at the Penalty Phase Being ‘Advisory’ or to the Jury’s Penalty Verdict as Being a ‘Recommendation’
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Defendant’s Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury’s Role at the Penalty Phase as Being ‘Advisory’ or to the Jury’s Penalty Verdict as Being a ‘Recommendation’
11/25/2009 Exhibit(s)
in Support of Motion to Prohibit any Reference to the Jury’s Role at the Penalty Phase Being ‘Advisory’ or to the Jury’s Penalty Verdict as Being a ‘Recommendation’
11/25/2009 Motion
to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
11/25/2009 Memorandum
of Law in Support of Motion to Declare Florida Statute 921.141 Unconstitutional Due to its Failure to Narrow the Scope of the Death Penalty
11/25/2009 Motion
for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining “Premeditation”
11/25/2009 Memorandum
Accompanying Motion for Jury Instructions Correctly Defining “Premeditation”
http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6236234
we all know andrea lyoness is the brain child here. We know that baez hasnt been a lawyer long enough to brainstorm like this.
andrea seems like is trying to change florida law to accomodate casey
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33163232@N00/4139426422/
of the anthonys home taken by a person that drove by there today: and other locations
are they allowed to all these motions? I mean is this not extreme!
like I heard someone else say!!
we are getting motion sickness.
I mean they have totaly gone bananas overboard.
when is enough !Truly enough someone??????
help
December 11, 2009
The one year anniversary of the discovery and recovery of baby Caylee’s remains.
The one year anniversary of the execution date of Andrea Lyon’s last client on death row.
(a fact that allowed Ms. Lyons and Mr. Baez to boast to the press about her DP qualifications to join the Anthony defense. As of December 11th, before sunrise 2008, Ms. Lyon could honestly say she had no client on death row. Not no more she didn’t! )
http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/clerk/briefs/2003/1601-1800/03-1757_petition.pdf
goodnight everyone hope yall had a great thanksgiving.
Thanks, All, for your hard work today.
Chica, I appreciate the links and the info. (One favor? Will you put the link at the top when you’re pasting an article from another source? I know we do it differently at school, but these things go by so fast!)
Kleat, your underscore of Lyons’ true accomplishments has been duly noted! Keep at it, Girl.
Gavi, I think you’re equally passionate with WSH’s anti-DP statements. You both have given me a lot to think about. I am reminded of a time when I quite agreed with you. Of course, then I didn’t know why.
Now, I feel that there are a number of criminals who should be affected by the DP. However, I am not sure whether I believe a Casey Anthony fits my criteria. Still, I will never take my eyes off her and her fellow murderers of the innocent.
Kleat and Blink
I agree that Lyon possibly wanted those tapes out there for all to hear…..her motive I’m not sure about, YET.
Oh my head is spinning…I went and read 120 something pages on the Florida scheme and the death penalty.From what I was able to comprehend as a layperson , Chica is right in asking is Lyons trying to change Florida law? It seems every provision set forth is named in the motions as unconstitutional??? We’re talking about during the trial – where a defendant has to be found guilty of 1st degree murder (victim is under 12 yrs,cold & precalculated,heinous,atrocious or cruel,during aggravated child abuse )then the jury hears evidence to establish aggrevating factors beyond resonable doubt and mitigating circumstances (mental disturbances,prior convictions,remorse,voluntary confession/cooperation,basically anything re character of the defendant that can help or hurt the aggrevating factors)and based on a simple majority of the jury’s findings ,the jury recommends the death penalty or life imprisonment and after a Spencer hearing (where the Defense and the prosecution has one last chance to introduce any new mitigating circumstances to be considered) the court decides to go with the jury’s recommendation or not. PLEASE ANY BLINKERS THAT ARE LAW MINDED ,Is my understanding correct? Please advise where I am mistaken and please explain why these motions are being submitted before the trial.
1. To draw out the prosecution’s case prior to trial.. the smoking gun that applies to the constitutionality for seeking the dp in the first place. While I do not believe this is the proper forum, I do not begrudge them this effort in the zealous defense of their client. Why you ask? Because I believe this is all for not and they will be forced to take a plea, ultimately.
In short, Lyon is attempting to show the prosecution has no basis in fact to seek the dp in the first place and is simply using it to do exactly that, which would be unconstitutional if true.
2. Grounds for seeking appellate relief.
3. Following her representation of Gov. Ryan, there is a moratorium against the dp in the state of Illinois so her work there is done.
B
If I were facing the DP, I would want my lawyers to do whatever it took to introduce reasonable doubt. Kronk is obviously not going to be arrested and killed for caylee’s murder based simply on the defense suggesting that there are certainly other people in this case who coulda’ dunnit (kronk, jesse, the nanny, the butler, colonel mustard, professor plum. mrs. peacock, etc.), is he? And that since no one knows how, where, when, or why caylee died, how can they be so sure about who did it? (ok, the coffin flies are going to be a prob—i can’t wait to see how they will counter that!)
#115—-While certainly your objectivity is warranted and appreciated….keeping it simple—all of this new background babble is simply being employed as the ultimate in DISTRACTION maneuvers.
We all know the Defense’s job for the jury is to create reasonable doubt. Just want to remind you of the following:
We all know exactly WHO killed Caylee Marie Anthony and that person, her Mother is sitting in jail. What you also seem to be forgetting is that LE never divulges all. Even with all these doc dumps—there are still a few bombshells not yet revealed. Most importantly- is all the circumstantial and some of the forensic evidence already revealed….have you missed it? Pay attention to Blink’s clues and remember these 3 words:
THERE ARE PRINTS. And those prints, I believe will help to nail Casey’s Coffin shut. Rightly so.
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Cindy Anthony….when will you finally act like a real Mother and appeal to your Daughter to come clean? Hmnnnnnnnn…..no visit from you on Thanksgiving Day? Is this because Baez won’t allow further communication (probably, Cindy bc you have a big mouth and get flustered easily and show your contempt and aggravation when being questioned and caught in your lies). Here is all any Blinker would like for Cindy Anthony to remember for the rest of your life:
“….SMELLS LIKE A DAMN DEAD BODY HAS BEEN IN THE CAR!” ( Yes, GrandMa—-that was your Grandaughter and now you lie and take cruises and vacation trips off of her blood money! How could you??)
and to ******Grandfather George ” I CAN’T GO ON LIVING THE LIE”….well, what happened, George? The new boat? A pierced ear look you THINK you are rocking? The cruise with Lee/Mallory and Wife Cindy? Oh, you are back in love again since you know you would be busted, broke and homeless with out the Caylee Marie gravy-train? You were going to divorce Cindy before your Daughter turned into a killer—what happened, George?? Why did you try to committ suicide? Was it just for the media attention—or—were you really trying to escape the madness? If it be the latter—can’t say that one would blame you at all, George. But the most corageous thing you can do is try to live the remainder of your life by beggining today to follow a true path of freedom. George, you have lost and given up long ago your true freedom. You need to regain the freedom to be yourself, and to be able to again express yourself freely. If you look at your life—most of the time you (and we all do) things just to please others & to be accepted. What you have done is forfieted your personal freedom because you have not lived your life to please yourself. True happiness and freedom is loving yourself first, George and also living with “love” as a way of life. Life can be very easy when true, real love is your only way of life. Only love has the ability to put you in a state of bliss. (Like the real type of love you felt when your Grandaughter Caylee was alive—yes! that George is living with love in your life). What you must know is that it is entirely possible to live like this all the time. Once you truly learn what the meaning of good and unconditional love is (you apparently didn’t get much or any of this from your Wife, and for that we are sorry.) —so once you remember what living with real love is again, maybe you will reconsider about the stance you have taken. Once you feel like you are accepted and loved for who you really are inside, George–you will remember that truth and goodness surrounded Caylee and that you, too can get this element back in your life by leaving behind those that do not have good intentions. You will remember again that heaven on earth is TRUTH- as there is nothing but truth in real LOVE. (Again, think Caylee).
One day, George—(maybe it will be the day you read this board?) oen day you should be authentic with yourself and ask God, the Creator of our Great Universe to help you. To help you simply keep the LOVE and PEACE in your heart or to make what has been taken from you (ripped away is more like it—) return. If you ask God to make that love you once knew a new way of life for you, you may once again have the peace and freedom in your soul and heart to live without a guilty conscience. It may sound corny and preachy—but if you can really thank God for living inside of you (if he still does) thank him for living inside of you with all of his love, with his pure and boundless spirit, with his warm and radiant light. These are all the things now that he has bestowed upon Caylee since the day he reached down and took that precious child into his arms. He did not want her to suffer anymore.
Isn’t it time for your suffering to end, George? Give it some thought, George and remember this: We are all human, and we all make mistakes. The world would embrace you—truly embrace you and forgive you as long as your courage and the truth leads the way. You would be surprised how many will stand behind you when you do the most difficult thing you have ever had to do in your life—second to burying the ashes of your Grandaughter. Come forward George and regain your freedom and integrity. You will be totally surprised at the outcome. May God truly bless you and continue to guide you through this difficult journey.
*******j4C ********
“I actually think you make a strong point, and also why I felt it possible Lyon ( in an untraceable way) was behind this. Has anyone considered she may want a reason to be the first off the sinking ship in a way that is not injurious (pun intended) to her Client?”
B
Good Point:
I’m wondering….in order to accept a plea doesn’t it have to be offered. If the state feels there is enough evidence to convict perhaps they feel they would rather prosecute. What would be their advantage in offering a plea if Casey doesn’t have to reveal how and why? I know it would benefit the state financially but I don’t think lawyers question their salary. Because of the high profile and public interest in this case, I just can’t see a plea being offered. Blink, you have mentioned that you suspect this won’t go to trial, is there any other reason they might offer a plea.
Tug, in theory, the state does not have to offer a plea per se. The defense can privately “proffer” to the State ( happens all the time) think speaking in hypotheticals.. I do not think the State will approach the defense to offer a plea at any time going forward. That ship sailed long ago and prior to the recovery of little Caylee.
Imo, that would have to include every blessed detail to even be considered by the State given the strength of their case.
B
wordgirl
no problem will do
I copied it from another site as it was sorry!!
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=5660883&page=1
dated aug 27 2008 with Joseph Jordan xplains ! how how went online to find local search partys and formed a group to go out every weekend. It was there group that found the panties and such. Im still reading to see if it mentions tes.
P.S
Joseph Jordan is a psychic and works with Gail St John.
The whole group was independent, and never was affiliated with TES as for as I can remember. Wyatt Locke was not affilitated with TES for sure, as he was a convicted felon. If he was, it was only for a very short time before the information about his troubles with the law. I didn’t know that Joseph Jordan lived in Cocoa Beach, and somehow thought he was from up north somewhere. I am pretty sure he was with the group that found the items at JBP and the police were upset with the searchers for picking up the items before calling them. Wyatt Locke had a U-Stream show, and had some followers.
found this at another site quite interesting reading:
http://www.examiner.com/x-14615-Spokane-Homicide-Examiner~y2009m11d28-Casey-Anthony-attorney-story-killed-by-examinercom
Casey Anthony attorney story killed by examiner.com
November 28, 8:24 AMSpokane Homicide ExaminerDoyle Wheeler
Examiner.com has killed the Baez series I worked days on developing on saying the story was not confirmed by LE it was in so far FDLE confrimed when the lady said after being given the charges “I’ll get you the person that is handling that.” Then came back and said they could not discuss that with me.
It’s fine for Baez to slander any and everyone and examiners prints that but someone prints that he may be under investigation and examiner runs and hides.
I’d like to thank all those people that left comments and encouragement
So I’m done you can find me at hubpages.com
I can’t stay and be one of their cut and past reporters that take others work and simply cut and past and then publish it.
I’ve asked them to provide me all my 258 articles from the last two months I’ll let you know how that goes from my hubpage site.
I just finished reading Mark Fuhrman’s book The Murder Business- How the media tirns crime into entertainment and subverts justice. I wanted to share some snippets of this book:
In 2008, it was a 2 1/2 year old girl named Caylee Anthony. She was white, adorable, middle-class, and- according to a myth the media milked for months- not dead but “missing”. It was very clear early in the case that Caylee was dead. Some of the hair was found in the wheel-well of the trunk of her mother’s abandoned car, which gave off the unmistakable stench of a decomposed body. Despite this, the media ran with the story of a child who was missing and might still be found alive.
This is the story of how the media create alternate realities that serve their quest for ratings, while the criminal investigation that might solve the case is all but derailed. The Caylee Anthony murder case lived up to the cliche minted during the O.J. Simpson trial- it “had it all”.
Her young mother, Casey, was beautiful, sexially promiscous, and seemingly sociopathic. Caylee’s grandparents kept an immaculate home and represented solid middle-class American values- he was an ex-cop and she was a nurse. They couldn’t be more “normal” with one exception- George and Cindy’s 22-year old daughter killed their 2 1/2 year old granddaughter and successfully pretended the little girl was “misplaced” for more than a month before Cindy finally called the cops.
Thus began the notorious, sordid, explosive, and salacious case of the Caylee Anthony murder- a case that epitomized the fusion of murder, mass media, money, fame, and decadence. Page 2
snipped– P.3-4
When they examined the trunk of the car, they found some of the child’s hairs in the wheel-well. How many children do you know climb into the trunk of a car to go for a ride with Mommy?
Then there was the cadaver stench. A putrefied human body smells like nothing else in this world- certainly nothing like old pizza. It’s a thick stench that instantly engages your gag reflex and causes you phyical revulsion on a very deep instictual level. Once you’ve smelled it, you never forget it or mistake it for any other kind of stink.
In a small, closed space, like the trunk of a car in the Florida summer heat, it is indelible. It can’t be scrubbed or scoured away. But someone had tried. Fabric freshener sheets, the kind you put in the dryer to scent your laundry, were found in the trunk.
On top of all that, there were all of Casey’s blatant lies about where she had been, what she’d been doin, and where Caylee had been since June 16. Her bail was set at $500,000, and the police investigated the case as a homocide.
And yet, despite all of that, when the media descended, they played it up as a missing child case. Over the following weeks and months, they pumped “The Search For Caylee Anthony” into a national obsession.
P. 11
I was dispatched By FOX down to Orlando, Florida, to the quiet suburbn street where the Anthony’s live, to report ont the developments of the case in August 2008, as it reached a media frenzy of O.J. proportions.
Outside, the media hordes were packed along the surburban streets with their reporters endlessly pretending the search for Caylee Antony could “bring her hoome” any day or at any moment, with the help of flyers, posters, search teams, and volunteers. I couldn’t believe what was going on. Every detective taking even a cursory look at the evidence knew this child was dead, and it didn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out, either.
snip-
At 11:00 p.m. I went over, and sat down to talk in their living room. We stayed about two hours, I ws struck by a strange disparity. Ther daughterwas in jail, their granddaughter was missing, and yet their house looked like it was ready for a House & Garden photo shoot. It was beyond immaculate. It was absolutely spotless as if nobody lived there. It was surreal. Everything was perfectly ordered, evrything in its proper place. Yet, I thought to myself, how could these people- who might be considered organized to the point of having OCD- not realize their granddaughter was missing for a whole month? Something was odd.
P.12
Both of them wore perfectly clean, pressed clothes. George sat back on the sofa with his shoulders rolled forward a little bit, in a posture of quiet dispair. He barely said anthing. Cindy, by contrast, leaned forward and spoke animatedly. Thoughout the conversation, I listened closely and looked around. The whole time Cindy was talking around and through the fantasy that Caylee would be found. Here you have two people- a cop and a nurse- who both know exactly what a decomposing body smells like. There is no mistaking that smell. They smelled it in the trunk of their car, yet they clung to the story that their grandchild was “missing”. Their delusion- primarily Cindy’s- was understandable, but unnecessary in light of the evidence. Yet the media continued to enable it.
Why had they asked to meet me? They said it was because they wondered if I could help them. At a certain point, during a lull in the conversation, I had to approach them as a detective, not a member of the news media. I looked straight at them an said gently,
“You know Caylee is dead”
There was silence.
George looked at me and he just bobbed his head up and down, as if to say yes. Cindy cried quietly. I got the feeling George knew that the baby was dead and that Cindy also knew but was blocking it out. The police absolutely knew they had a dead child here. And if it weren’t for the media manipulating George and CIndy’s delusions, refusing to challenge them in in things as glaringly obvious as the smell of decomposed body i their car, the “caylee-is-missing” myth never would have come to life. A lot of time was wasted on it, because the media gave it such legitimacy. The media myth wasted the time and resources of the dtectives.
snip
Cindy, a nurse, was clinging to the delusion that the stench in her car was not that of a corpse but perhaps a rotten pizza. And Caylee’s hair found in the trunk? I don’t mean to sound callous, but how many people find locks of their grandaughter’s hair in the trunk of their car? Elephants in the room, you might say. But the media reported the flimsy, ludicrous myth, for months and months, that Caylee might be alive, because they wanted what they always want. They wanted a story to “grow legs.” It doesn’t do that if certain undeniable facts emerge soon. It spoils the tension and te build-up necessary for a story to grow real legs.
P. 14
To me- and I’m sure to any other experienced detective who heard and saw all this- it added up to an unavoidable conclusion. Caylee Anthony died sometime during the day on June 16, at her grandparents’ house. Exactly how that happened, we’ll probably never know. Casey immediatly started to think of how to dispose of her daughter’s body. She tried calling both her parents- to find out, I believe, when they were planning to be home. She knew her mother worked a normal day shift, and George wouldn’t be back until after midnight. She was checking to make sure they weren’t going to deviate this day, and come home early and surprise her- especially her mother.
She borrowed her neighbor’s shovel, possible thinking she’d bury the child in her parent’s backyard. Then, realizing how stupid that was, she backed the car into the garage and opened the trunk. SHe stuffed Caylee’s body in a large plastic bag from the garage. (Later, when Caylee’s skeletal remains were found, they were in the same make of bag the Anthonys had in their garage.) She put the child in the trunk and drove off.
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It’s extremely hard to imagine a young mother handling the putrefied remains of her child. It’s a messy and revolting business. About three hours after death, the process of rigormortis starts stiffening the muscles, and lasts up to seventy-two hours. After that, putrefaction begins. Bacteria break down cell walls. Gravity causes the fluids in the body to collect at the lowest point. Gases build up and rupture the corpse. Shut up ina plastic bag, in the trunk of a car or stashed somewhere else, in the Florida summer heat, little Caylee’s reamins would have been reduced to putrid jelly and bones within a month. Sometime on or before July 27, Casey hsuled the plastic bag out of the trunk, leaving it in a nearby wooded lot, where it was later found. But in the process, some of Caylee’s hair and fluids were left behind in the car. Unable to get rid of the stink, Casey simply and stupidly abandoned the car- for her father to reclaim, and instantly recognize the hideous stench of death.
Ross, for the same reason you can never prove a negative, the fact that previous searchers did not find Caylee’s remains does not prove they were not there. Elizabeth Olten’s body was also found in an area that had previously been searched, and from what I could tell, it was not dense in vegetation, swampy, and difficult to search as this site is.
How many times have you searched in your own living room, for example, for a lost key or wallet and passed right by it? You were sure it wasn’t there, you already looked there, yet later on you sit down on the couch and lo and behold, there it is in that one crevice you missed.
How many searchers searched an area how big for how much time? How did they determine if anything was underneath the dense vines in every square inch of that area? I mean, come on. Why is it even being looked at or debated? Obviously, it means absolutely nothing in terms of whether the body was there at the time or not. Add to that the forensic evidence that proves the body had been there since shortly after death and you have nothing here but another foray into meaninglessness.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2436278/casey_anthony_case_search_volunteer.html
Casey Anthony Case: Search Volunteer Alleges Caylee Anthony’s Remains Never There
November 28, 2009 by
saul relative
Witness Says Remains Were Not There when She Searched Wooded Area
In the case of Casey Anthony and her defense team’s attempts to show reasonable doubt, her attorneys now contend that a volunteer for Texas Equusearch, a search company specializing in organized search procedures,
has come forward to claim that Caylee
Casey Anthony Case: Search Volunteer Alleges Caylee Anthony’s Remains Never There
Anthony’s remains were not in the wooded area where they were found when Texas Equusearch combed the location. Jose Baez, Casey Anthony’s lawyer, and his defense team has presented a sworn statement by Laura Buchanan, a woman who claims to have worked as a volunteer with Texas Equusearch when they searched the area in question before Caylee Anthony’s remains were discovered by Roy Kronk, the Orange County utility worker that notified authorities of the remains.
In fact, according to Florida Today, Casey Anthony’s lawyers claim to have found two witnesses that say that they there was nothing in the wooded area where the remains were found when they searched there.
Laura Buchanan wrote in her statement: “On Sept. 3, 2008… I personally searched near the privacy fence and worked my way towards, and then the spot, where the body was found. I did not notice anything unusual. I did not notice a strange smell. I noticed no buzzards, nor unusual animal or insect activity. It is my opinion that the remains of Caylee Anthony were not there during the time of our search.”
The revelation that there are witnesses to attest that they found nothing in the wooded lot just fifteen houses away from Caylee Anthony’s grandparents’ home came just days after the defense team went on a media blitz and pointed the finger of blame at Roy Kronk, the meter reader that found the remains. Andrea Lyon, the attorney that will lead Casey Anthony’s death penalty defense, stated during an interview on “The Today Show” that there was just as much circumstantial evidence tying Roy Kronk to the death of Caylee Anthony as there was implicating her client. The witness’ sworn statement appears to be support for the contention that Roy Kronk could have been involved in the death of Caylee Anthony — or at the very least had something to do with her remains being found in the wooded lot.
I can respect the anti-death penalty perspective but I guess I would hope that those so inclined would seek to change the law in honest ways, seek to change peoples’ minds on it and not play God themselves. Agree or disagree, I do think that there is a feeling amongst the general population that when a truly evil serial killer does not get the death penalty, justice has not really been served, and I think this has tended to erode trust in -and respect for- our justice system. When there are parole hearings even for people like Manson, there is a sense of outrage against a legal system that seems to put the rights of criminals above the safety of society. I think that to win public support, proponents have got to replace the death penalty with an equally fail-safe way of protecting society from ever having to receive these persons back into it again, they have got to give people an assurance of safety and of justice without it in order to win their support. We are all sick to death of senseless murders committed by previously convicted murderers who have been released back into society. The anti-death penalty stance would have to be divorced from an overall soft-on-crime mentality to gain support. Just my opinion but that is my perception. People have a right to feel safe and really this is the basic obligation of the legal system. Right now in history there is a feeling that it is failing miserably at this job. Lawyers like Andrea Lyon do not help that perception, in my opinion. And I guess my fear is that the pendulum is gaining enough momentum to swing way too far the other way if we do not address this. I do think that we can have justice and safety without the death penalty if these issues were addressed.
I say an eye for an eye, maybe if we chooped the hands of those who stole we would not steal again… Whether it be hands or life we should not take what does not belong to us. Maybe if that was as simple as it states these things would not take place. IMHO
my last comment brings me to memory of when I was in my teens living in northern AZ off an Indian Resorvation, there was a neighbor of mine with no arms, his arms were taken because he took the wife of a local and got caught cheating with her. I know this sounds extreme, but it struck something in me about cheating and taking something that wasn’t yours. Do I think it was just? I am torn, but inside me I understood the point. I saw this man everyday with no arms and always wondered the what if’s, what if you just left your hands to yourself…barbaric (spelling?)I know but it said something to me. We cant think as a society that killing one without a huge penalty is justified. I have battled the death penalty inside myself many times because of things I have went through within my own personal experiences, but, if someone kills an innocent child who can not defend themselves sadly we have rethink the issue, I don’t think it is playing God, it is how it states, an eye for an eye, if the DP is out there it should be used, if it is done away with so be it, don’t sentence someone to death and leave them hanging for years carry it out, if you don’t have the balls to do so, let it go, keep them in prison until they die.
I listened to a news brief about lil Shaniya in SC the perp had shot someone 4-5-6 times and was given probation…PROBATION PEOPLE….maybe if his ass would have been hemmed up years ago this wouln’t have happened.
all I am saying is the laws need to protect the innocent and maybe if people knew the punishment and that it sticks they would rethink their actions before hand.
sadly yes innocent people get accused we live in a imperect world and are imperfect people but IMO 95% who are accused are truly guilty.
now dont throw darts it is just my opinion….
Casey Anthony is NOT innocent, the entimologist time frame and her cell phone records match up precisely. It is beyond reprehension to see Baez and company willing to pin a crime as vicious as 1st degree murder on truly innocent people, all the while spinning stories of the truth that best fit their pocketbooks and client in the wake of a crime that best fits the story of the prodical son, the guilt truly needs to return to its rightful owner, and that is none other than Casey Anthony
go on with your bad self Todd #133……………ezzzzzzactly!
Re: the following comment by chica — “andrea seems like is trying to change florida law to accomodate casey”
That is exactly the point — she has ALWAYS planned on changing the law. Not to accommodate Casey, but to further her agenda of having the death penalty declared unconstitutional throughout the United States. IIRC she has stated pretty clearly that this is her mission in life. Following that logic, none of these motions should be surprising.
She has no strong affection for Casey. Casey doesn’t realize it, but Lyons is simply using her to further her cause and life’s work. Motions such as these are probably exactly what she has filed (or helped others file) in other cases in other states. What we are seeing is what she has been working on and planning to file since day one.
you know chica from your article about the defense blaming Kronk and the searchers saying Caylee wasn’t there…they said it’s just as strong circumstantial case or Kronk as Casey? According to whom? they have wives that where questioned but not under oath..they have searchers but not the searchers on the list the defense was given. i am wondering what lenghts this defense team is going to go to..to shine their names. L.E. and the state have been given a black eye in this case since the beginning and for what…THE TRUTH!!! I’ve never seen so many lies in a case ever..not only from the defense but from the family as well..where does it end? and really how many more people are going to have their lives ruined becouse no one will get ahold of all the lies and mistruths that have taken grip in this case.
Darth, I say so what, if it’s under oath or not, those ex-wives statements are embellished and biased at a very minimum. And what about that garbage statement by Kenny-Baden, it’s a ‘death bed’ testimony– RIGHT. Truthfulness of a ‘death bed’ statement is in it’s nature, to be a ‘confession’ as getting something off one’s conscience, maybe asking whatever powers that they believe in, for forgiveness. It doesn’t apply to someone with some disease– hey, we are all going to die sometime, that doesn’t mean if you are extra worried because you’ve just had some scare, that you can say whatever you want, because it’s ‘death bed’.
Is the ex-Mrs. Kronk still alive, if not, when did she die and did she make a death-bed testimony about her sins of theft, check fraud, or causing harm to ex-Roy, etc (so she might be forgiven and not spend the afterlife in pergatory? Did she, in her death-bed, say she forgave anyone for wrongs against her? Is she religious, was she confessing to something she had done? No, she was attacking an ex-husband, by answering pre-determined questions (to which the examiner already knew the answers because of a previous non-taped interview).
And to the big money of reward for killing a child– or finding the ‘body’:
“A $225,000 reward is being offered for information that could lead to Caylee’s safe return.” taken from Chica’s source in post no: 122. Now, was someone on the TES or individual searches, wanting to get that big money for a body??? Reward was for a LIVE Caylee only. Because Mr. NeJame decided to give the fees he was paid to help the Anthony’s as a spokesperson and help them through their early problems, doesn’t mean there was a big reward ever, for the killer or anyone else, to reap.
dee, I guess the problem is, as Casey’s little cartoon of a small girl watching her hanging teddy bear, and the caption asks ‘why do people kill people who kill people?’. Could be that it doesn’t matter what the threat of punishment is to some people– they don’t get it, and never will. They don’t have this twinge in the pit of their stomach when they think of doing the unthinkable, even the smallest things, that are there to help us with a sharp poke so to speak, to stop us from doing something wrong. Maybe this is what sociopaths are missing, they don’t get that little twinge or poke of conscience, or empathy, or whatever it is. And if they do wrong, they don’t learn from it, because there is no connection to feeling or empathy, and they like what they are doing, so won’t stop even if punished.
dee, if someone is starving and steals a loaf of bread, there are places in the world that a hand will be chopped off. What does society get? A person who is still starving and who now, can never be able to feed themselves but for begging from others.
There needs to be humanity and compassion and not every criminal is a cold-blooded killer without conscience. There are societies/cultures today, that can legally kill a woman, a wife or daughter, at the insinuation of adultery or even if a young bride to be, choses on her own, and goes against a planned marriage.
I am not sure that Ms. Lyon is taking the right tack in this instance, but she is a person albeit with a team of supporters for the cause behind her. Casey Anthony does not need a Ms. Lyon. Ms. Lyon’s talents are serving Ms. Anthony but there are others accused and who do need a ‘Ms. Lyon’ to save an injustice, to question inept police investigations. Casey and her family could have talked long ago, instead of laying it all on the line, all or nothing. Casey never helped her daughter once, if she were indeed innocent and the child alive for a period of time with someone else. She did everything wrong in the 31 days, and she continued to do it wrong with the support of her mother, her father, her friends, her brother, and her lawyer. The Anthony’s and Ms. Lyon are supporting a sham.
I, like Kleat, and others am having a hard time separating the issues. Casey killed her child, imo, I focus on justice for Caylee without much regard to the background noise, although I admit the dp issue is fundamentally important, I do not feel this is the “road to hoe” in that regard.
B
And, this is one case that has been so well investigated, that there is little room for gross police misconduct, there is no risk of Mr. Kronk being a legitimate suspect. Others may need Ms. Lyon, but she chose Casey– why, other than her own self-promotion and to illuminate her own cause no matter how noble, she being David, the system being Golliath. Casey Anthony does not need to be in the situation she is in, she has made her bed, and she is going to die in it– innocent or guilty, she is responsible for what is happening right now.
kleat, interesting question about the ‘twinge’ or lack thereof. On the other hand, we do know that Casey expressed some concern about her own mental health on at least two occasions, even wanting to be committed for awhile, so maybe she was having dangerous impulses and even recognized them as such but sadly for everyone did not get the help she needed. That’s why I think she fits the profile of the young mother who snaps and kills the child.
The other thing to think about is that I have heard (in documentaries about serial killers, for instance) that sometimes murderers gravitate to states that have the DP on purpose because they either want the ultimate challenge, or because they have a death wish or secretly want to be stopped. So the DP might actually BRING murder to a state, rather than prevent it.
IMHO (as an anti DP grrrl), if Lyon can use casey’s case to get rid of the DP, then at least something good will have come from Caylee’s tragic death.
kleat, you are so right…I for one do not want to see Casey get the DP that is too easy for her, she deserves LIFE in PRISON so she can sit and rot and think about what she has done forever. But like you stated “there is no connection to feeling or empathy” therefore she will spend her time thinking of only herself.
Suz, #141: Let’s go with your idea of Casey suddenly snapping & killing her baby. But where is the remorse? The guilt? None of her behavior indicated that she did not know right from wrong, so how could she party hearty after snapping & murdering her daughter?
I don’t see it. Can you reconcile the partying with cracking up & killing? Help me out here, please.
Dee, #143: I don’t believe for a moment that Casey would sit in her prison cell remembering what she did to her baby, should she get LWOP. As you stated in the end of your post, she will be thinking only of herself, as usual. But that’s good ~ at least she will live out a lot of years (probably) with no parties to go to, no men to bed, no movies, etc. Casey will just be someone else’s little bitch in the nasty prison sexual hierarchy. And the outside world will have long forgotten about her. Good.
Good.
I don’t think anyone doubts at this point that there will be justice for caylee, do they? Perp’s already safely in jail and life goes merrily on until the the plea or the trial, and if the latter, there’s got to be only the slimmest of all possible slim chances that she somehow walks.
Or perhaps I should ask, what does justice for caylee look like?
Some possible choices for what exactly = justice for Caylee in your mind:
a) death, because that’s what the state wants and the situation warrants
b) LWOP, because death is too easy and this gives her a long time to reflect and repent and miss her freedom
c) I would prefer she be murdered at the hands of other inmates
d) I wish she would commit suicide
e) No matter what happens, I wish her folks would publicly turn against her because maybe it would at least hurt her feelings, plus I hate seeing any support for her, and caylee deserves the grandparents on her side
f) No matter what happens, I wish her legal team would drop her because maybe it would at least hurt her feelings, plus I hate seeing any support for her, and even though they are defense lawyers, they should take caylee’s side
g) I hope she is stricken with a horrible disease
h) If she is found not guilty or gets a mistrial, I hope she is assassinated by a vigilante
Kleat,
You just gave the best explanation of a sociopath in your #138 post.
I support the death penalty. The DP doesn’t serve as a deterrent to sociopaths/psychopaths. It does keep them from killing again, as we already know that they don’t “learn” anything from prior bad acts and will continue to do them again and again.
I wish Andrea Lyon would take her hogwash elsewhere. It’s clearly her cause celebre. Life in Prison, without opportunity for parole might be a “win” for Lyon, but a “lose” for Caylee.
More choices for the DP crowd:
1) I hope she chooses Old Sparky, and it’s really painful and she gets a nosebleed from the ill fitting headpiece (which happened)
2) I hope she chooses Old Sparky, and she’s one of those cases where flames shoot out of her head
3) I hope she chooses Old Sparky, and she’s one of those cases where electrocution does not work, and she has to sit in jail for another year before her lethal injection or another shot at electrocution
4) I hope she chooses lethal injection and they can’t find a vein (as happened recently somewhere) so it’s a long, drawn out process
5) I hope if she is executed, it goes smoothly and painlessly
6) I won’t be satisfied with anything other than a tearful apology or confession or expression of regret, even if she is only thinking of her own life