Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: A Gruesome Anniversary Plays Out in Court
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Orlando, FL– On the eve of the one year anniversary of the recovery of 34 month old Caylee Marie Anthonys remains; the defense team representing the woman charged with her murder is preparing for one of the most difficult court appearances to date.
Tomorrow, one year ago, Caylee was found while her grandparents and Team Casey dined on crab puffs and lounged pool side at the Ritz.
Among the Ritz Carlton guests, courtesy of ABC, was the Anthony Family Private Investigator, Dominic Casey.
Mr. Casey is attempting to don the “Privilege Parka” and avoid an upcoming deposition scheduled for December 16 and of course subsequent testimony at trial. The State has issued subpoenas to both George and Cindy Anthony for tomorrow’s hearing. They are looking to sit in front of the bar.
Might be advisable given the circumstances. I suggest a single malt of humility with a dignity chaser.
By his own account, George Anthony has not seen or spoken to Dominic Casey since February 10, 2009.
It is not known if perhaps Baez never took the time to explain to Mr. Casey the definition of “privilege”.
It is not that
he would get the “privilege” of schtupping his Clients wife while their baby granddaughter was missing and later found murdered in the area his Client*slash*PillowPal sent him to search a month earlier.
O yeah, I went there.
If he is stupid enough through his attorney Diana Tennis to continue the privilege party line I predict Ms. Drane Burdick will be well prepared to demonstrate her skills in verbal guillotine simply by using Dom’s own words. I am not a huge Dr. Phil fan I admit, but there is a quote from him I feel resonates for Cindy Anthony specifically:
If he will do it with ya, he will do it to ya. 100%
Cindy, when you read this, you know I come from a place of knowledge and there are some doors even you do not want opened.
Mountainous Motionous Interruptus
To Deluge is to Delude? That is the Question.
It is unclear if Ms. Lyon and the Baez jesters get paid by the word in their motions, or if they own stock in the local optometrist.
What is clear, is they have an endless supply of ink for the laser jet.
Could that be because they have not put out the benjamens for the bevy of experts we were expecting from the hearing about who is funding this shindig?
Even the dubious Dr. Lee is on record saying he does not get out of bed until the next check. *snark alert*
How do you ask for a year to prepare for a trial and not list a single expert as a witness, or lob a smidge of discovery back over the net?
Is February 1st the BIG BAEZ REVEAL? ( Insert laugh track)
Yesterday, Prosecutor Linda Drane Burdick returned fire, exposing what appears to be some seriously shoddy defense tactics to open up the files of the almost 4000 Texas Equusearch Volunteers in response to the mountains of motions filed by the defense the day before Thanksgiving.
..”Appreciate the Reciprocate not the Procrastinate or you Violate..”
Blink
Got it straight?
(editors note: see how easy that is, A to the L? One line and will free you up for those lovely, no advance blush necessary speaking engagements.)
“Dialing for Disgruntled”
It is not surprising or original to learn that Andrea Lyon and Jose Baez et al have spent weeks calling through TES search rosters to find anyone that would talk to them voluntarily. Many have. Baez and team apparently thought they hit pay-dirt with Joe Jordan and Laura Buchanan.
Joe Jordan was a volunteer on the first search in Orlando for Caylee Anthony. He also broke his agreement with TES by posting Youtube videos of the search and blogging about locations and findings. It was a serious no no and when he was outed, he began his campaign to speak negatively about Tim Miller and TES.
In the defense’s motion to modify access to TES records, Mr. Jordan claims to have kept very detailed records of his search efforts, when his team of 5–6 members were searching the alleged “exact area” where Caylee was ultimately found. For me, when someone uses the word detailed, I make the assumption that entails having more than one name of the other 5 people:
..”Among the five people with me were Danny Ibison and his dog, and a Panama City Deputy with one of his two dogs…”
Within the search form Jordan alleges he provided to TES, it would REQUIRE the names and ID’s of the individuals searching that area.
Could it be that Ibison and the others would not support Jordan’s statement because the area, exact area, where Caylee’s remains were found, was underwater on September 1st?
Speaking on the condition of anonymity exclusively to blinkoncrime.com, a source within OCSO confirms just that. Ibison maintains the site was underwater, the as- yet-unamed- publicly “deputy” will confirm there were meetings within TES to come up with a solution to use some sort of aquatic equipment to search the submerged area, but it was considered too dangerous and too small for a boat.
What motive would Mr. Jordan have to (un-surreptitiously to him) record his interview with Morty?
JJ records the audio for a spell and then gets around to calling Det. Edwards at OCSO to ostensibly get a high five.
That high five was nearly a low five behind his back from the state for a 3rd degree wiretapping felony.
Wait for it….. AND he is “materially” changing his story after apparently being schooled about what happens when you are prepared to lie in court, regardless of your agenda.
There is no “I” in perjury. Look out Baez, someone is out of there FUGUE state in time for tomorrow.
If I were a betting gal, I would say that Lyon will not lead with asking Ms. Drane Burdick where she picked out her suit or what she has in her nightstand drawer.
However, I do believe that an excerpt or 3 from Andea Lyon’s stand up impersonation of Lisa Lampanelli may end up on the record.
All that aside, I am humbled by tomorrow’s anniversary I thought I would never see. I will never forget the call in which both joy and anguish filled my throat. “We got her, it’s her.”
To the FBI, FDLE, FBI CSI, OCSO CSI, SS and OCSO, 9th Circuit Medical Examiners Office, Dr. G and SH– You know who you are– From the bottom of my heart I thank you for the commitment you showed this child.
You are her sweet voice now, backed by your collective baritone.
I am hopeful for an anti-crescendo or dimiuendo, directed to the finale.
If that does not work, then we scrap. End is the Same. Justifies the Means.
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Comment by Mix from NC — December 21, 2009 @ 4:02 pm
From ABCNews.com poster
wow where are those folks on this site (blink)????? no one dares enter this relm with that nonsense, respect the opinion, argue the point…
but again if baez says he can’t get a fair trial, here again is proof…unless these poster are imposters…uh Cindy, GEO Baez & co hearts…maybe JWW
Your absolutely right.
B
sometimes i think a lot of these post are an attempt at starting an online riot, I have seen that to many times on other sites…JMO
Kleat said:
Kleat,
In our investigation, it was found that adding a photo updates the last update field. The last update field remained June 16th (until the hacker on December 19th changed the mood, which changed the last update field). So that would tell us that the Dora photo was added on the 16th.
Valhall-
Why are we calling this a hacker? Is that presumptive or did I miss the source on that?
Tia
B
Blink,
You asked me if I had a particular program. I have to confess I’m not sure what you are alluding to. Could you email me with specifics?
Blink
I don’t have the legal stuff down yet, but, I try to keep the common sense stuff in mind…
oh I am hoping for an end real soon!
Comment by Wendy — December 21, 2009 @ 4:01 pm
Wendy, you made an excellent point.
There was a chloroform search on the computer, however from what I have read, it is pretty dangerous to make it.
The statement by the neighbor who witnessed Casey and Cindy arguing stated Cindy worked all of the time. Are we to believe that no one other than Cindy and Casey ever watched Caylee since the Grunds stopped taking care of her? its possible
So lets say casey didn’t use chloroform on caylee and Cindy wasn’t watching Caylee.. Then who was?
If it wasn’t casey
and it wasn’t Cindy
and It wasn’t Chloroform
who was watching Caylee that night?
Comment by Kleat — December 21, 2009 @ 6:40 pm
“Either you are right on about the ZG persona, or one might speculate that the Bermuda Triangle is shifting it’s coordinates and triangulating right over Orlando. Maybe another symptom of global warming effect.”
kleat I like your style come to Germany we will have coffee…chica knows…got to send my girl a gift package real soon!
Dusseldorf last year, Old City. Extraordinary.
B
My candy logged brain just cannot handle all this confusion. I had it all cataloged neatly and now with Christmas right on the horizon I am sitting here with my hands over my ears yelling lalalalala with an occasional falala thrown in.
And the whatev regarding the post from ABC. The whole thing can be immediately discounted, I believe the only hunting Lee ever did in his life was snipe.
Eagerly waiting for the super slueths to sort it all out so I can rearrange my mental who-done-what file. TIA !!
It’s presumptive, Blink, based on the theory that Casey created it. It could actually be the true owner – based on the theory she didn’t.
Got it. But you must consider that she has simply given the pw, or rather, her counsel has been given the pw, for plan X ?
B
It’s just too much of coincidence about the Zenaida myspace page. The sign up date, Dora the Explorer, and the last date logged in..October 14, 2008. I will eat crow if it wasn’t created by Casey. Oh, and I bet you are right about the defense sniffing around that page. The recent log in was the DAY AFTER Judge Strickland’s last ruling on all motions. Very Interesting!
Well – all of this would really be moot – assuming that LE has looked at the computer and has seen if the IP that created the ZG Myspace can be traced to KC’s laptop – or their home computer.
The only thing that could throw all that off is if KC made the Myspace page from someone elses computer..ie.. Ricardo’s, Tony’s, etc…..
Talked with my daughter regarding My Space. She says individual MySpace accounts can be hacked easily. First, of course if you guess some one’s password. Second if you know the person’s email and can access it, you can of course ask My Space to send you a new password.
There have been several phishing scams that have been passed thru My Space account friends. It is like a virus that one friend gets, they (the scammers)send a comment to all of your friends saying something along the lines of hey..I just started an awesome job. if you want I can hook you up with the people..here’s the link once a friend clicks on the link they can get lots of info from your account.
Because of all of this, my daughter and all of her friends change their passwords frequently. So yes, it is possible to hack an account. However, it would leave a trail. My space is aware of this, and they give you warnings of what not to do so you are not a sitting duck to intelligent, devious hackers.
If her counsel has been provided the password for the purpose of obstructing justice in this trial, and her counsel acted upon that, there will be indictments to come.
I, for one, do not believe that any of the attorneys representing this defendant are going to risk their livelihoods/their lives/etc.
Also:
A) Logging on NOW cannot erase from what IP address this account was CREATED on June 165, 2008.
B) The mere fact that SOMEONE logged into this account is therefore not only NOT proof that Casey did not CREATE this account on June 16, 2008, but it does NOT serve to create REASONABLE DOUBT as to whether or not she MURDERED Caylee Marie Anthony.
Still did not report Caylee as “missing” until Cindy called 9-1-1–THREE TIMES– on July 15, 2008 (and only on 3rd call, sounded frantic about Caylee);
Still has evidence of DECOMP in trunk of vehicle (and complained about smell of death–dead animals plastered to the frame.. the engine, whatever– as early as June 25th to Amy H);
Still has one of Caylee’s hairs with death ring on it in trunk;
Still lied to parents and friends about Caylee being “FINE” and with a non-existent person during the 31 days (and then some);
Still has to deal with the fact that Caylee’s remains were discovered–some with ROOTS growing through them–less than a mile from home, and with items from her former home, including the DUCT TAPE across her little mouth and nose.
ETC, ETC, ETC.
The MySpace page stands alone (in terms of a Venn diagram re: the traffic tickets and the question as to whether or not Casey ever used ZG as an “alias” prior to the murder of Caylee).
A hacker might be the source of the recent activity.
A person who received the password from the person who created the page, and who feels invincible to the system, (i.e. NOT AN ATTORNEY) might be the source of the recent activity.
What matters re: this MySpace page is not what it happening on it NOW. What matters is WHO created it on June 16, 2008, and at what TIME of the day was it created.
Remember: George says he saw Caylee ALIVE at 12:50p.m.
If that MySpace page was created BEFORE that time-stamp– it could be VERY STRONG PROOF of PREMEDITATION. (Even if it was created AFTER that time stamp, it may still show PREMEDITATION by mere virtue of the fact that NO ONE ON PLANET EARTH HAS SEEN A LIVE CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY AFTER JUNE 16, 2008… NOT EVEN HER OWN, ACCUSED-OF-MURDERING-HER-MOTHER).
‘Night folks-
Off to catch some MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL WITH MY HUSBAND AND SON #2, who fortunately MISSED the storm, and flew in safe and sound after finals on Friday=)
Leave it to you to drill it down to the Venn in one easy post :O
Enjoy your eve with the Silver Men, blessings on the safe and sound.
I should have been more specific. Do I think an officer of the court would be in the zip code of such activity? No.
That said, Camp Casey Et Al has shown their peacock in it’s luster in the fast and loose category. I completely agree it’s inception is paramount, however, if we believe it to be an instrument of “Casey”, you are forced to address the fact that she did not pull the Zanny ID out of the air.
The question of how Casey came up with the bullseye of ZG at Sawgrass on 6/17 is front and center of the agenda.
Among other “allegations” she used that name, (Jesse and Rico, Mr. Grund, Cindy George..)
That issue has to make the check off sheet, imo. You agree?
B
Blink, Valhall brought up the question of an ‘I love alex’ fad, given the number of links found with the phrase. I hopped on my google-luck-mobile, and headed (blindly) to the answer that there is nothing special about ‘alex’ and in one fell-swoop, got all my defense Christmas shopping done. All but Linda– she’s got all of NYC, and maybe when the DP lawyer leaves, she can hand over her hat to the remaining woman on the team.
Valhall, I hope you don’t mind me bringing this over– I do post the recommended caveat, not only to Blink, but to all those who dare:
» Kleat said: { Dec 21, 2009 – 08:12:50 }
Valhall, this might be a clue!! hint– alex is not alone!!! (PS, warn Blink not to be drinking with or without straw, especially hot or fizzie drinks)
http://www.cafepress.com/iheartshop.26953344
not to be unfair, Christmas IS coming soon!!
http://www.cafepress.com/iheartshop.25211720
I apologize in advance, there was NOTHING for Todd, so next best thing….
http://www.cafepress.com/iheartshop/939970
And an added gift for the criminal defense lawyer who has everything– a bright yellow messenger carrying bag for all those letters from families to their clients who refuse family visits.
http://www.cafepress.com/iheartshop.35484463
Blink, maybe Silver could weigh in on the scenario IF JB has a PW from CA, WTH goes with the FLA-B rules of conduct? The client can only know the PW if she had some knowledge– and imagine, if this site were created by someone who just killed a baby, they aren’t too shaken to manage this.
thanks, Momof3, yes, makes sense on the email, I wonder how someone might take an account number from the ‘past’ and create an account using that number– that seems a bit more difficult, as each number (as discussed on Valhall’s site) is chronological, so you can’t set up an account with a number out of sequence. I hope that it can not be done, or if done, traced back to see how that number was changed from one owner to another. Lee seemed to be pretty knowledgeable about those things, wonder how good he really was with Casey’s files– back to the Q about his immunity, but that’s speculation re: Myspace. It seems that the alibi might be the client trap instead?
Thank you Silver, for taking the time to post!! Have a safe and warm family holiday.
I really didn’t like the texting between Tony Rusciano ‘the cop’ and Casey. I thought he had a very self absorbed flippant attitude & talked about Caylee like she was nothing more than a pesky insect, something that got in the way of having sex with Casey. He souinded pretty selfish, just like Casey! Didn’t he also refer to Caylee as the kid & snothead?
IMO Tony Lazzaro seemed to show more concern for Caylee & at least had them both stay over. Not saying it’s right depending on what went on but I never read him saying derogatory things about Caylee like Tony R did.
#012 Silverspnr
“Remember: George says he saw Caylee ALIVE at 12:50p.m.
If that MySpace page was created BEFORE that time-stamp– it could be VERY STRONG PROOF of PREMEDITATION. (Even if it was created AFTER that time stamp, it may still show PREMEDITATION by mere virtue of the fact that NO ONE ON PLANET EARTH HAS SEEN A LIVE CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY AFTER JUNE 16, 2008… NOT EVEN HER OWN, ACCUSED-OF-MURDERING-HER-MOTHER).
But who still believes George’s (first) story of seeing Casey on June 16, at 12:50, or any other time that day? I sure don’t. He’s changed the tale of that last day with Caylee and Casey at least a couple of times since his first interviews of kissing his two lovely ladies goodbye on “just a normal type day thing”.
Deletions and and additions to George’s original story have surfaced with a lot of “What the hells?” from many observers of the passing Anthony parade.
I love how Cindy gets most of the bad press for ever-changing stories! George is every bit the liar. (Cindy often gets the blame because she emasculated George. Really.)
I don’t get it. Why anybody trusts him with the real truth of anything that happened on June 16th. (Or on any other day pertaining to Caylee’s disappearance and death) boggles my mind. Or why George, from time to time, is again a subject for pity as “Poor George! The only one in the family who really loved Caylee!”
George has shown me nuthin’ except he is out for George. I think all his carping about Casey and his tattling on her to Cindy was not being so much a good father, as it was being a rival for Cindy’s pocket change.
Yes, I think both Cindy and George loved Caylee in their own dysfunctional way, but since the moment Caylee disappeared, they both have had other agendas rather than justice for that sweet baby.
Call me Hard Hearted Hannah.
I do not think Silver thinks George is telling the truth, although I do not speak for her.
She is pretty clear that she thinks these people were aware Caylee was dead when they smelled the car, as do I. I will give them the benefit of the doubt about the difference of knowing vs. “knowing” ( Cindy 911 call) but that’s about it.
From day 1, I am on record that George lied about the 16th and the 24th, among other things.
I think the point she is making is valid, through his words, he places Caylee alive and leaving the house on the 16th. If this was Casey, and I believe it was, it is either going to be used as evidence of premeditation or the start of the cover up, imo.
B
Comment by Kleat — December 21, 2009 @ 11:38 pm
That’s why I don’t believe that the defense had anything to do with personally logging into the site. If it is someone defense related, it would be someone with a couple of degrees of separation, with no paper trail. But I am of the opinion that the latest log in was a hacker. The original set-up just seems way too coincidental, so it seems like it would have been Casey as originator. But you never know, weirder things have happened. I suppose we will find out in time.
Lol. I tend to agree with you, but the “hack” falling directly after the last motion was denied, and probably from a defense perspective one of the heaviest blows, albeit expected, has me scratching my temple.
B
Pamela****
Can your friend at OSCO answer this question? (unsourced, of course)
Well,if people are hired to write pro-defense blogs, as you & Kleat have asserted, then you never know. The police can trace IPs even if Foxyproxy or some other program is used. It just takes a little longer.
So if someone is discovered, the police can question connections. They may not be interested, if the originator was not Casey. We just don’t know at this point. However, if someone legit started to log back in, and all these questions are posted about the case, you would think that the person would want to clear the air. And let’s face it, the “real” Zenaida who magically disappeared without ever leaving a trace or a witness, & who has gotten away with murder, is not going to go on line now to tell everyone she loves Alex, lol. So if the purpose was to create reasonable doubt, if done by the defense or any minions, then it failed miserably.
Blink…I can go with almost any theory which doesn’t rely on the testimony of Cindy, George or Lee Anthony; hence, a lot of wiggle room, there.
Should have added Casey as liar-in-chief, of course. The Anthonys are the Four Horsemen of the Apocryphal.
#1019 Westsidehudson – I doubt that he would, if he could. Again, I’ll reiterate, he is saying that there is some very damaging, insurmountable evidence, yet released by the SA, purposefully, though I’m sure the defense has it, that is being held till trial or if/when she pleads, that is EXTREMELY damaging to not only Casey, but the Anthony’s also. And again, I told him it was too much teasing not enough action, LOL. But he has a job to protect, and a duty to the justice system.
I am curious, just personally as to how Chloroform could be used for sex. Other than for people into Necrophelia (doing the dead, an attraction to corpses, how could it “enhance” the sexual experience. I’ve done some studies with my degree (Psychology) but its been years since college, more than I like to admit, and I never practiced the field other than in my volunteer work, never professionally. Ok, once in a while to get the upper hand with co-workers or employees. LOL. But I just don’t see anything in the research that shows and enhancement from Chloroform, and am interested in a perverse way. I think it would help me to understand Casey’s need to please to the point of personal endangerment if she was using it for sex.
I have always thought that is she used it at all, it was used on Caylee as an, albeit, dangerous sedative.
Anyone who has info, it would be appreciated.
Happy Holidays everyone. Justice for Caylee is drawing near.
Another “coinkydink” on June 17th, 2008- when Zenaida Gonzalez visited the SawGrass Apts. Was it ever determined that it was no other than Casey Anthony who visited in search of an apt.? Not sure if police ever publicly admitted or denied the true identity.
WSH, I am going to ask you to hold onto that for the afternoon. I promise you a place to put it though
B
Does anyone know who first report the login? Does someone check that webpage everyday waiting for casey to log in? This page has been known for quite awhile and reported to LE,if it is not part of discovery then I would be curious to know why not
Blink is correct. I do NOT believe George Anthony was being truthful about the 16th. Why? Because he has provided so many INCONSISTENT statements. (Just as he has provided so many INCONSISTENT statements about other dates/events, in particular, re: July 15th, and of course, the famous “gas can incident”).
However, he is STUCK with–and therefore Casey is STUCK with that time on June 16th.
If she created that MySpace page BEFORE he says he last saw Caylee ALIVE… it is VERY BAD news for the defense, isn’t it.
It is still BAD NEWS for her if she created it, and may even still be VERY BAD NEWS for her IF one can trust the account of that computer store guy, who claims he saw Casey and Caylee later that afternoon (he said “lunch time”, but clarified that as possibly being as late as 4pm when he was interviewed by Marinade Dave, IIRC).
*****
And yes. Quite right. There is still the issue of the real ZG paying a visit to Sawgrass on the 17th. It is the WRONG DATE (she said that “Zani” took Caylee at Sawgrass/later at Blanchard Park on the 16th; however it does remain a curious piece of the puzzle, which may–or may not–be anything but the dumb luck of this defendant).
*****
Someone may have provided a password to friends and/or family.
It is no secret that SOMEONE provided information to SOMEONE about where Caylee had been “dumped”.
Dominic Casey was not searching there–again, and again–for the sake of some “psychic” tip that did not pan out on the first attempt to locate her.
I completely agree. Dom Casey has a story to tell, thus why everyone is fighting so hard for him not to.
B
#1022, Meez-en-Scene [or should I say Hard-hearted Hannah]: Coffee snorted out my nose, eyeballs, & ears when I read about the Anthonys being “the Four Horsemen of the Apocryphal”. I love your wit!
Blink
I didn’t save it. If you want to post it “in its place”, whatever that means, (had me laughing like with one of Red Ranger’s posts), then by all means go ahead.
Good Morning Monkeys!
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
A Serious look at the Defense’s Motion concerning Kronk – Update
Posted on December 22nd, 2009 by by Valhall
On another site Mr. Hornsby gets answers of a poll of those who would rule for the death penalty. He of course I am sure would not from his response. He also sounds just like Cindy in his explanation of the ZG, Morgan litigation. After I read what he has to say, I scratch my head and wonder why he has injected himself in this? Where did he come from? Is he looking for notoriety? His opinion is from the Defense side because he is a Defense Attorney. I do have a honky feeling about him. His information that relates to the law is reasonable.
I posted this on hinkymeter. I know it has been answered, but someone please reiterate:
Okay, a hypothetical here. If Kronk’s girlfriend sent him to the dump site, does that make all findings (scientific and opinion) of the remains inadmissible because the attorney/client privilege was violated? What if the idea came through D Casey, somehow via an intermediary, to Kronk, assuming he was under work privilege, (that being that he knew where the remains were while working for Baez), as opposed to gaining the knowledge whilst working for the Anthonys? Perhaps I am confusing no warrants or warrants not properly issued. Is this an area that could hurt the case, or could it only mean disciplinary actions for those expected not to divulge defense secrets? Someone has probably answered this earlier, but I forget what the ramifications could be.
Just read on asecondlife site. All, I can say is WOW where did this person come from? Just the name sounds kind of like death penalty Andrea–second life—and the use of “dopey” goes with ugly and stupid, or killer jurors. Well, I dont know what to think that the defense would just lay out their “strategy” in Baez website style for all to read. I really have no words to say as i am just “dumb”founded by their comments. It is so left field and completely left out the actual evidence of course (read Buglioso’s comments on circumstantial evidence in “Outrage” about OJ Simpson). Evidence like we have all said time and time again—decomp smell in the car, 31 days without telling anyone and then it was Cindy not Casey, etc. Does Casey realllllly think she is getting out of this? Take the blinders off of Casey Anthony defense team and family because I know you dont believe what you are saying and must be telling Casey or she would have begged for a plea deal unless she is truly that mentally deranged? Well, I have run on enough in my astonishment of this site.
Bill Scheaffer is a defense attorney also, and he’s far from a friend of the dream team!! I vote for Bill.
new, Hornsby does admit that this Zenaida thing gave him a headache but he was biazed from the beginning, first by his belief that Mr. Morgan is coming from the wrong place, for personal ‘I don’t like the marketing lawyer’ reasons, therefore his client receives snide remarks in the same sentence.
I suspect though, that Mr. Hornsby wanted to offer some insight into the bloggers ideas, and found a whopper– well, two whoppers, he just didn’t have more than ’5 minutes’ to get involved, then he started to get sucked in when he read WS’s comments and he was off and running:
Quoting Richard (source article on his blog)
“Undeterred, I moseyed on over to WebSleuths and there it was like lights on a Christmas Tree: Is Casey the real Zenaida? This thread had Five Star ratings and all. I was hooked for about five minutes – and then I got a headache.”
Unquote Richard
Still, he should take a read here, just for good measure, to get more than blogger comments on comments on comments “15 pages back on the threat” over at WS.
If Mr. Hornsby wishes to read, as a catch-up to the source of all the spin-offs, here’s the easy link complete with it’s own court records copies:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/01/16/zenaida-gonzalez-annie-leigh-downing%E2%80%99s-excellent-adventure-zannie-and-annie-go-to-traffic-court/
Then he found out about the Myspace page:
Quoting Richard again:
“And man was I reeled in, it was great – if Casey really set up this MySpace page, it provided proof of cold and calculating pre-meditation. But then I read the HinkyMeter and it appears this may be some elaborate hoax”…
Unquoting Richard again
Now Richard seems to have learned a little more, a bit of the snide has gone from his preconceived notions grin.
I am curious about one thing on Blink’s article, but admit I haven’t re-read all again. In Mr. Hornsby’s pdf of the court records, the Nolo Contendere to driving without without a VDL seems to have been signed three days before the ‘Failure to Yield Status’. I’m making a jump here, that the photo of ‘Phase PROSECUTION’ for citation 6602RFD dated 8/18/2008 is not for the NVDL issue.
I can’t wait for Blink’s new and updated info on this scenario– whenever is fine with me, it will be a good bone to work through whenever it arrives!
Thanks Blink– I doubt that Richard had any clue of good solid gum-shoeing was behind those off-site blogger comments. Richard decided he didn’t like a book because he read some blog reviews from people who may or may not ever have read it, and went off to investigate the reviews without even finding the book on the shelf.
Piece of Double-Bubble anyone????
re: 1026, Midwestmom
Someone (or more than one) had put in “friend” requests on the Myspace acct while it was dormant. When it became active for a time on 12/19 the friend requests were granted — I am not on Myspace but I would assume that the friends were then informed either on their own Myspace pages or on their email.
#982 to WSH….That was not my comment…That was a comment from a poster at ABCNews..I read it and was like, “Do what? Are you for real?”….I was floored by that person’s lack of knowledge on this case…..just complete disbelief! Seems like this is the only site that I can read that the followers actually know the facts of the case….read anywhere else and it’s complete jibberish. Thanks Blink for keeping it real.
Confusing bit from the ZG-C (or not to C, that is the question).
First, on page two of Richard Hornsby’s 5 page collection of records pdf, we read the report with narrative, of the traffic citation given to Zenaida Gonzalez (putting any ‘C’ second last name aside for the time being).
In this report typed section for ‘Winter Garden Police Department’ on the right side, there is a number 6602-RFD yet in the narrative on the right, Officer Mark A. Narvaez explains that 6603-RFD is for “failing to yield and for no valid DL”.
Were the two offenses later split into two ‘citation numbers’ 6602 and 6603 ? Was the officer just saving paper by putting the two under the same citation number? (I don’t understand how these work)
One more point, this 22 year old Spanish speaking female driver, height within an inch of Casey Anthony’s height, didn’t come close to the taller 5’6″ nanny zanny, so was she not investigated? I’m sure she must have been.
Winter Park apartments was her address– that would be simple to check out– right? Mr. Hornsby’s copy doesn’t give a clear apartment number, nor does it give a clear last two digits of her telephone number.
Since JP Chatt’s phone number was given by Casey as ‘the nanny’s phone number’, this would be interesting to check out. Whose phone number is on that pdf page 3, is it a hard wire or cell, and does it belong to this non-English speaking Zenaida Gonzalez?
Interesting is the ‘C’ or presumably two last names. How is this double last name issue handled in official ‘government’ practice? (what’s on the tax roll for hispanic people with two last names?)
The Hornsby pdf has a mix of this ZG-C name:
Page 1, typed without C,
Page 1, signed with C
Page 2, typed without C, (no signature on this page)
Page 3, name printed in a hand not similar to the ‘official’ who filled out the rest of the form, this printed name may have been done by the accused. It reads “Zenaida Gonzalez C….ache”
Page 3, signature of ACUSADO with no C
Page 4, form printed name with no C
Page 4, signature, no C
Page 5, printed by official filling out the form, no C
Page 5, signature with no C
(Only ONE “signature” included ‘C’ on these 5 pages so for some reason, this may have been a mistake for ‘official’– what is the protocol for offical Spanish names with two last names?– do they select one and drop the other for DL’s and other official ID purposes in Florida, or is this a Federal issue?)
The address of this ‘accused’ is not clear enough to give here, but Winter Park– didn’t Jesse live in Winter Park?
Still bugs me why Annie Downing added information in her deposition to Mn’M when not asked– coincidentally she claims she was ‘on the phone with Casey’ when she was stopped for her own same date traffic violation– was she providing an alibi voluntarity for Casey, and how did she know to do make a point of saying that when not even asked by Mr. Dill? (this sticks… something hinky, Blink… just plain hinky)
WSH, I suspect you will find out soon enough, we all will!
Comment by Mix from NC — December 22, 2009 @ 5:42 pm
#982 to WSH….That was not my comment…
I knew that Mix. Altho I don’t know why I waste my time typing in response to that kind of stuff.
Lol.
B
On my 1032 post, I wasn’t being disrespectful to William on Valhall’s site. He hadn’t answered me, when I posted it. I think Silver said something about it a long time ago, but I couldn’t find it.
Comment by martha — December 22, 2009 @ 4:27 pm
Can you re-post a link, please?
Correction to my post 985 re: Annie’s statement to Mr. Dill in depo.
Mr. Dill moved into the traffic ticket area of questioning well into the deposition. He asked about Annie’s tickets, specifically the one around Memorial Day and DID ask, ‘was anybody with you? Annie said ‘no’ to that and also, the question was anybody with her, again ‘no’.
(remember this was at a time when Annie and Casey, as described by Annie, were no longer close friends, saying that Casey started going out with a new boyfriend, Ricardo as their close friendship declined)
Casey was around following you? Annie could have said ‘no’, period. But she quickly anticipates the question and says ‘I was actually talking on the phone to her, ironically [and she laughs].
And then Annie claims once again ‘we didn’t socialize outside of high school’.
Ok– now we have a stranger Zenaida Gonzalez maybe with an added ‘unofficial’ second last name starting with a C, who gets a ticket on the very same day as Annie got her speeding and seatbelt violation, and Casey was on the phone with her at that very time when Annie was being or was pulled over.
And then we have the stranger Zenaida Gonzalez at Sawgrass. This name must be very common to statistically be tied to this one case in so many coincidental ways. Maybe it is as common in Orlando as Maria is in Rome?? (statistically speaking, what’s the chances….)
question- and as far as I know it hasn’t been asked yet…
Wonder if the ZG whose computer was stolen on the 9th of June will have traces of the ZG Myspace being set up on it… (as if to prove SHE is the one who set it up, not KC)… I suppose they would have to find it first but just sayin… still wondering if that incident is somehow connected?
not to sound like a broken record or mean. Maybe ? I am too tired from running around doing last minute things!!!! Could it be that my brain isnt working anymore.but havent we already been round and round about sawgrass and annie talking to casey while being stopped by a police ffice.
am I missing something key here? please dont think me mean but I am confused. HELP!!
ok sorry after reading! I realize its something to do with annie proving an alibi for casey?
Chica, if that was my post, it was a question to ponder, (not really expecting an answer) to whether Annie might have been providing an alibi for Casey should she have been using a fake ID and getting a ticket for speeding and failing to yield. Can’t be both chatting to an officer in Spanish, while chatting to your once bff in English all the while dealing with an officer and your own traffic ticket problems. Alibi. Not saying it’s so, just wondering how it was that Annie offered that she was talking to Casey at that exact time and why she mentioned it.
Rest your eyes, Chica. Nothing new here– but I am convinced there will be something new coming down the pipe in the not so distant future
This information is from http://perez.cs.vt.edu/twolastnames, which is the website of Dr. Manuel A. Perez-Quinones, “associate dean and director of the Office of Graduate Recruitment and Diversity Initiatives for the Graduate School, and an associate professor in Computer Science at Virginia Tech.”
A few excerpts from this page to help understanding the naming system and two ‘last but not really ‘last’ names. Cindy did not understand anything of this or she would not have thought Zenaida was really Mr. Morgan’s client’s ‘middle’ name. No ‘middle’ names.
Hispanic Last Names: Why Two of Them?
“Personal
One of the most misunderstood characteristics of Hispanic culture is the use of our last names. In the last 20 years, more and more Hispanics are being mentioned in the mainstream of American society. Names like Gabriel García Marquez and Arancha Sanchez Vicario are two names that get lots of press. Their last names, two in each case, are every now and then confused.
In the very famous O.J. Simpson trial, his house help was accused of trying to hide her identity, because she appeared in different documents with different last names, a confusion cause not by her, but by the misunderstanding of her culture. This article hopes to explain this piece of Hispanic mystery.”
Most Hispanic people use two last names? How can that be? How can you have two of the “last” thing? Well, in Spanish a last name is not called a last name (último nombre would be the literal translation of last name and it is meaningless in Spanish). In Spanish, the last name has a name of its own, it is called apellido. The proper translation to English is surname, a term that is seldom used in the U.S. Surname (or apellido) does not mean “last.” So, when you talk about someone’s last name you talk about their apellidos (surnames) since there are two of them. The two surnames are referred as the first apellido and the second apellido. Also, we refer to our first name by just name, and the middle name is referred as second name instead of middle. But I will focus on the last name issues.”
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“Hyphenated Names
You might have noticed that in many cases, a hyphen is added to separate the two surnames. This is done artificially to satisfy the strict implementation of software systems that assume that a space is not a legal entry in the last name field. This ignores people that have a last name with two words -something typical in some cultures, and ignores cultures that use two surnames, as explained above. By the way, Hispanics are not the only culture that uses two surnames, there are other cultures that use a similar scheme. There are even other cultures that have other combinations of surnames.
So, to avoid confusion, a lot of Hispanics hyphenate their surnames, as I do with mine Pérez- Quiñones. But this is purely to avoid many hours of frustration dealing with office personnel that insist that we do not exist in their computer system. …. It has also happened several times when dealing with local government offices. But the worst of all is the marketing junk mail.”
Casey would likely know of this double ‘last’ name issue, the confusion it can cause, she had an interest in Spanish, and she often dated hispanic men.
No wonder the C. in ZG or the C after the traffic ticket ZG was changed, removed or otherwise avoided.
A start to understanding the issues of this naming confusion and the ‘C’ in both ZG’s. Also, suggests a reason that Casey might confuse the issue by adding Fernandez.
Thanks to Professor Perez-Quinones for some insight– go to the full site to read more on his page about surnames. He also includes suggestions to organizations dealing with Hispanics. That might help us understand more about how the Florida and federal bureaucracies might have deal with names such as the ZG and it’s variations.
kleat,
This is my understanding of how this works. when one marries
the wife will most often keep her name. Thus Fernandez when she
marries it then become fernandez-Gonzalez. when she has a girl
child the last name is Gonzalez. When said girl child gets married
she will then most often use Gonzalez-Santos, if she married a
santos so to speak, hope this helps. All legal paper work
would show both names, not just one. Very common here in Florida.