Morgan Harrington Murder: Helpful Hunters May Hunt Her Killer
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Abemarle County, VA– On the 100 acre parcel of the over 700 acre farm owned by Nancy and David Bass where Morgan Harrington’s remains were recovered yesterday, there may be clues of the furry variety that lead to the identity of Morgan’s murderer.
Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a source inside the investigation has told blinkoncrime.com that questions raised here regarding private deer hunting on the farm have been verified by Virginia State Police.
Anchorage Farm owners do allow some private hunting members and maintains a list of those individuals permitted to do so.
From the time Morgan disappeared and presumably ended up in the hayfield, both archery and firearm deer seasons were in full swing.
Big Brother, or in this case Uncle Buck, was watching.
Blink, what is that ugly azz thing you say?
It might be sweet Morgan’s Ruth Cooper.
The Cuddeback Scouting Camera with Video and Infared technologies from Cabelas. This is one example of tree trunk and tree stand cutting edge technology that is motion activated with high resolution images on several settings.
Not to be outdone: The Moultrie Game Spy, which you can use to watch your prey like a surveillance screen in real time.
This is another example of the varieties that were in place the night of October 17th.
Morgan was found in a field, almost smack dab in the middle of surrounding tree line’s loaded with tree stands and tree cameras.
She was found without her camera and necklace; both of which have not been located to date.
VSP has been provided the list of known hunters at Anchorage Farm, and are in the process of interviewing them.
If you have hunted the property this season, VSP would appreciate a call:(434) 352-3467
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Thanks Blink for checking. Regarding your sinuses, sinus saline flushes really do wonders. It is kind of gross, but you will feel better much faster. Gets the bacteria out quicker.
Can’t wait for this bacteria POS to be caught.
Lol, thanks
B
Outside of the recovery of Morgan’s remains 48 hrs. ago, the placement, functionality, etc. of the cameras may well be the singular most important thing to come out of this investigation to date.
Starbucks, however, makes perhaps one of the most important points on this thread…if not the most important one.
“I’m surprised this information (about the cameras) is out there before an arrest is made.”
If I am a/the first-time BG, I’ve been reading everything on-line I possibly can, every day, to find out if I’m about to be found out.
If I’m a seasoned BG (and my $$$ is on the fact that this was not the act of a seasoned BG), then I’m reading everything on-line I possibly can, every day–because that’s precisely what seasoned BGs do.
Regardless of whether I’m a seasoned or first-time BG, if I see this information I am bolting-for-the-border and/or going to ground, as far and fast as I possibly can.
One can run but one cannot hide (Lady Justice is a most commanding–and patient–lover); however, a head-start is always troubling.
All the above is, of course, assuming that LE does not have a POI under surveillance at this very moment………………………
In that regard, I strongly suggest that readers assume nothing…and instead hope for an imminent announcement.
O-
You know my horse never leaves the barn without a harness.
B
I cannot say if related or not without the name.
Know this. I have never nor will I breach a trust
B
Here’s my two cents on the kickee — maybe Morgan was hoping to use him as cover to get back into the concert. She figures she’ll be able to “sneak” by as part of a couple (sometimes ticket takers will just look at the guy’s ticket, and then wave the girl accompanying him through without looking closely at her ticket). Morgan also figures the kickee has noticed security refusing to let her back into JPJ, and will understand what she wants him to do and go along with the plot. Plus, she’s attractive, and probably somewhat used to getting guys to do what she wants. When he refuses to cooperate (probably because he can’t figure out what’s going on — either he didn’t realize she had been refused re-entry, or just isn’t quick enough to make the connection between her inability to get back inside and his expected role in her ruse), she gets frustrated and kicks at him. We do know she really wanted to see this show, and I think her encouter with kickee is probably related to an attempt to get back in, rather than fear of something (or someone) else.
Did the tree stands have camera’s too, and if so would they not be removed also if the others were removed? Long time reader just never have posted because I didn’t really have anything of revelence to say….you all say it so well.
1st time poster, long time lurker! Anyone else notice that CNN.com continues to list the farm owners name as “David Dass”?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/27/virginia.harrington.remains/index.html?eref=rss_crime&iref=nancygrace
Also I noticed another poster refering to the farmer as setting up the cameras. The cameras would belong to those he allowed to hunt on the property and would have been removed shortly before or (fingers crossed) after hunting season.
Lol. Geeze.
B
Thanks Lizzy – so WE – meaning US here – do not know much about his activities on the night in question. I do recall the part about waiting for friends – but he didn’t say what he did the rest of the night.
Let me pose a question – why would someone make a call to a GF (IIRC) unless he was planning some type of alibi? I would just tell her when I saw her next. This just doesn’t ring true to me.
Here’s what we know about this parking lot guy -
1. he is on the premises where Morgan was seen.
2. he had an altercation with Morgan by his own admission,
3. claims he was kicked and IIRC said he had a bruise on his shin.
4. IIRC – claims Morgan said – “let’s go”.
5. claims to be waiting for friends.
6. places call to GF – *this should be easily verified*
7. according to Blink – has not spoken to police.
I know this has all been rehashed to death and there is nothing new above (other than Blink’s revelation of today) – but if someone has anything more – please add. I may have not heard all there is here.
Thanks Teri (#93) and SJC (#72). Also Blink, good to know that LE thinks they know why she went outside. I am leaning toward Blink’s theory of scorned lover/ex-bf type person. The reason is that her card was used after she left the arena, and then found in the discarded purse. (Thanks to whoever posted that information.) She had to have known the person she went to the 7/11 with or she never would have used that card. I think the friends knew she was meeting him. NOW… was it that person she knew and met up with who caused her demise, or… did they have a fight in the parking lot, and some random BG took advantage of the situation and abducted her.
http://www.cardrecovery.com/?rid=yh&kid=ycr0101 ————–deleted pics can be retreived from a memory card,camera,and emptied recycled bin.
@susanm – No, he did not grow up there. These houses (2 are there now) are new and were just built in the last 3-4 years. It was all woods and pasture up until that time.
Someone asked about entry from Blandemar. Sure, it’s possible, but not likely. It would also be possible to enter via Red Hill Rd and drive up the bottom. Again doubtful, as your vehicle is more visible, day or night. Both of these options would take more time and exposure.
I am still of the opinion that it was a student, or maybe a friend of the daughter now living at the Historic homeplace, or someone that had attended parties/hung out there. They would know the property but wouldn’t have any inclination that game cameras were placed throughout the property or their location. Hunters typically keep these locations quiet for fear of someone stealing the cam.
I think it probably started out as a sex crime, then went downhill from there, they panicked and thought about the only remote location they knew. They ended up at the back of the property and carried the body as far as they could in the dark, dropped it and ran. If the pics are correct in the body location, I don’t think any weather we’ve had recently would have moved it, unless it moved it downhill further towards the wooded area.
If any pics are on the game cams they’re most likely of a vehicle entering the property at an odd time. The hunter may think “hmmm, that’s odd” if he sees a vehicle pic at a late/early hour, but not really think it’s enough to report at the time. Now, after the body has been found, it is. Hopefully the hunter downloads his pics to his computer before replacing the card without deleting them.
RE: comment 150 by susanm
I have really been trying to dig up info on him, but can’t find much. The house @ 2858 isn’t old enough for him to have grown up there his whole life. The owners of the house S&D W are in their early 40′s and went to high school in the area I believe, but I don’t know what the relation is to EH. It could be a rental house, but not too long ago they made some significant home improvements in the 100′s of thousands of dollars range that one would think they wouldn’t do for the comfort of a tenant. For example: A steam shower and whirlpool tub, adding a big front porch.
I believe he has a female relative, either sister or mother who also lives in North Garden. Do any locals know what the story is with the couple who own the house?
I’m really stuck on this kid right now and given his updated status I would not be surprised if he is in custody. He definitely knows that area. I want to know:
*Does he he have any connection to anyone from the house that burned down right down the road?
*Does he own a 4 wheeler?
*What kind of vehicle does he drive or have access to?
*Ever done any work for old man Bass?
I don’t like this guy. He looks soulless.
There is a rumor on the VT website that an arest has been made. Have you heard anything, Blink?
Hmmmm…..Let’s go sounds an a lot like “let go”.
Blink, No need to post…
Is there any truth to this or is it just a rumor?
http://www.techsideline.com/message_board/coverage/2010/January/28/2147214.php
“Rumor is 28 yr old male that worked on farm and was at concert. This
has not been verified through any official sources at this point.”
B, can you confirm:
Subject: Rumor in C’vlle
Posted by: Moon Pie on Thu Jan 28 2010 12:05:30 PM
Message:
Arrest has been made in Harrington case.
http://www.techsideline.com/message_board/coverage/2010/January/28/2147205.php
B –
I’m hearing there’s a rumor in Cville that an arrest has been made of a 28-year old man who has worked at the farm and attended the concert. Any chance there’s truth to this?
Blink,
I got turned on to your site when my wife started following the case back in October. I think there are some really good theories and great information from yourself and the other posters on the board. In regards to the “kickee”, I personally wouldn’t think anything of him. Just speaking for myself but if I were at an event and a drunk attractive girl made that type of advancement toward me and then kicked me, I would laugh it off. That would be more of a “Dude, you’ll never guess what happened to me at the concert” rather than “I need to report this to the police”. Now once he realized who it was (after the fact) then it becomes a different story.
I see a lot of people questioning why Morgan was outside. And I apologize in advance if I don’t have all the facts but isn’t it possible she was kicked out? I know this theory might not be popular and I definitely mean no disrespect but if she was very intoxicated (enough so to cause a commotion outside and kick a stranger), she had some cuts on her face and she had been reportedly dropping her purse all night, then maybe she was thrown out by security. Obviously if she was in the hall area there would be security there.
I know from experience of partying to hard in college that those things happen. I’ve seen some girls who were absolute angels who became completely different people when they drank liquor. Perhaps she was one of these people and security felt that something they saw her do warranted tossing her out of the event. This would raise a whole new issue with JPJ and liability (think Royal Carribean’s handling of the George Smith case). Now obviously this is just a thought and it doesn’t explain the events that happened afterwards but it’s a possible reason for Morgan being outside.
Regardless of the reason, no one deserves for this to happen and hopefully the person/people responsible will be brought to justice swiftly.
That is completely up to you and I understand.
B
B -
I joined you in being just shy of needing a change of pants when I read that “possible” connection being made.
While at this point nothing can truly be ruled out … I think it’s safe to eliminate David Bass from the witness/possible-suspect pool. (Sorry, Politico bloggers.)
On the subject of the *real* Fredericksburg-based Kickee, in re-reading his account to The HooK, and then on down through my can’t-get-her-sighting-out-of-my-head witness – the bookkeeper – I can see how, if true, their stories appear to fit together perfectly (and keep in mind they were interviewed separately for the same article).
The timing certainly syncs with what we know: Just before 9 p.m., MH is concluding her last-ditch, agitated efforts to get re-admitted to the show, and, understandably upset that she will not be let back in, decides: “screw it – I’m getting the hell out of here and away from these fascist door-guy pricks!”, irrationally overcoming the obstacle of no car-keys by deciding she just “find a ride” back to Blacksburg instead of waiting around outside with nothing to do.
I can’t figure out *why* she would “aggressively” approach Kickee, but we know that she was not in a normal, calm, clear-headed frame of mind at that point. So, she takes out her frustration with authority and people not helping her out in general on him, kicking Kickee in the shin before walking away from the JPJ and across Massie — at the exact time the book-keeper claims to have seen MH crossing in front of her vehicle with four young men in black.
What sticks out now, that did not before, was the witness’s claim that the group was laughing, and the woman she thought to be MH jokingly *kicked her leg* at the men, ostensibly causing her to “wobble.” It would appear she was humourously re-counting what she just went through at the door and with Kickee.
I mean, one previously unsubstantiated witness claiming to have seen MH’s actions as she left the arena I can overlook, but two? Within the same five minutes? (Fwiw, if Kickette was *not* MH, you’d think she’d at least approach her twin, who would have also been leaving the arena drunk and upset after interacting with slawart security guards right at the time she was.)
My interest in Kickee, however, ends there – my Hink-O-Meter has been raised from the get-go by the four men MH allegedly may have walked to the RV lot with, *or* whom she walked across Massie with, before briefly parting ways in order to walk by her car to see if she could get in — thus the “did not appear to be walking with anyone through the UHall lot” statement).
That same repeatedly interviewed bookkeeper saw the same four guys and who she thought to be MH gathered around a vehicle in the RV lot about 5 minutes later.
Could be nothing — a mere brief encounter MH had with several young men who have not been identified publicly as witnesses…
But it would seem they were leaving the show post-LOG, which would have finished their set in time for this black-clad quartet to be walking out of the arena. Sure – maybe they were actually on their way *in*, and decided to double-back to their car with MH and resume a quick pre-party with her before returning to the arena, thus leaving her with the BB players and never seeing her again.
*Or* she hung out with the four men only to get them to drive her to Blacksburg; when they declined her request, she moved onto the BB players walking toward the lot, approaching them to ask the same thing. In the course of this conversation, she may have placed her strap-deficient bag on one of their vehicles; then, after they too declined, they may have driven off as she was walking through the lot toward the road to hitchhike (since no one she’d come across by that point was willing to drive her).
Her bag, thus, flew off the car and landed in a scattered trail of her stuff unbeknownst to her, as she was already trekking onto Copeley – a Woman on a Mission.
But, what if she made one “witnessed” trip over the bridge before remembering her bag or rethinking her decision; thus returning to the RV lot to find her bag/see if the guys were still there partying?
Then, we’d have an MH re-encounter with the four men just prior to her disppearance… and then, the HH would have served as an unfortunate red herring (in that it removed her departure point to the other side of the Copeley bridge, rather than from the lot with several individuals whom she was seen with less than 30 minutes prior – indviduals who were likely seen by JPJ door security, multiple witnesses (who did not realize they were witnesses), etc.
Just puttin’ it out there.
first-time poster, though i’ve posted on findmorgan.
just saw this rumor of an arrest. unsubstantiated…
: http://www.techsideline.com/message_board/coverage/2010/January/28/2147214.php
props on that post to Ross on findmorgan.
I cut myself off..
First line was supposed to read:
“Arrest has been made in Harrington case.”
Blink, correct me if im wrong….
Morgan Harrington had an ex-boyfriend from the Roanoke/Blacksburg area.
He is a hunter with access to land.
He currently lives in the Charlottesville area.
blink- i saw this on another site that says an arrest has been made, but it is just rumor..it says a 28 year old farm worker that was also at the concert. i havent seen anything else on it
http://www.techsideline.com/message_board/coverage/2010/January/28/2147214.php
NO ARREST.
B
http://www.techsideline.com/message_board/coverage/2010/January/28/2147214.php rumor of an arrest
This was on our Roanoke News
Posted on Thursday, January 28, 2010 at 08:41:08 EST
Angela Hatcher from WSLS 10 is reporting:
More than 100 days passed from the last time Morgan Harrington was seen alive, to when her skeletal remains were found. While it may seem investigators don’t have much to work with, a forensic science expert weighs in on what could help lead to a suspect.
“From a little piece of bone, you can find a suspect.“, says Dr. Tod Burke. Burke is a forensic science expert at Radford University. He is not associated with the Harrington case.
“Anytime you have remains, that’s of forensic value.“, says Burke. “Sure it would be ideal for an investigator to just approach the scene and have a fresh body.“
Burke says a suspect might assume a remote location, like where Morgan’s remains were found, would guarantee a body would never be found. He says the location, however, could work to the suspect’s disadvantage.
“It’s not heavily traveled. So you don’t have a lot of people coming and going.“, says Burke. “Whereas if a body were dumped in a suburban or city area where you have a lot of movement, the chances of being seen are greater but the forensic value may be contaminated.“
The massive snow, that likely covered the remains and delayed searches for Morgan, could preserve a body. Warmer temperatures could speed up decomposition.
“There was hot weather, there was warm weather, there was cold weather all could play a role in body decomposition.“, says Burke.
Burke says animals can contaminate a crime scene, but could also help in an investigation. He says that’s because animals can carry pieces of evidence from remote locations, to places where someone will find them.
Burke says don’t discount the possibility of DNA evidence, especially on any clothing Morgan was still wearing when she was found.
He’s confident whether it’s days from now, or years, we will find out what happened to Morgan.
“The forensic evidence is there.“ says Burke. “A suspect is there.“
hey Blink, there is a person on another site blog site claiming a 28 year old from Crozet was arrested in this case. Is this true? I understand if you can’t let go of this information. Thanks so much.
THERE HAS BEEN NO ARREST IN THE MURDER OF MORGAN HARRINGTON AND RUMORS REGARDING SAME ARE FALSE
blink
It is my understanding Mr. Bass allows hunting on his land responsibly, and has a list of who hunts it. It is a very common practice. That is not to say BG is a hunter. The point is they may have info they did not know was relevant until Morgan’s recovery.
B
Were the cameras taken down prior to discovery of the body? Or are they still in place?
“He is not associated with the Harrington case.” An expert on the topic, but not the case.
Wait! One last thought about Kickee (who has not drawn my cheese, mind you – see above).
I think MH was storming away from a loud exchange with JPJ door-security when she encountered Kickee waiting near the steps for for his friends. Perhaps as she walked by, visibly upset amd slightly stumbly, he reached out touching her arm while asking, “Hey – you alright?” To which she hissed, “Let go!” and kicked him (before walking on toward the crosswalk, where she enocuntered the four dudes who asked about what had just happened, compelling her joking “kick” motion that the bookeeper witness reported).
In other words: “Let’s go,” was not a bizarre order; it was actually, “Let go! (of my arm) F–ker!” [kick]
**thinkin’ out loud**
Kickee was waiting for friends…Girlfriends?? including GIRLfriend?? phone call to GIRLfriend to expedite her arrival…who would be pretty pissed that some drunk broad just kicked her man??
The cameras set me thinking of the lighting on the night of October 17th. I know it was wet and drizzling but it was the first night of the new moon which means it also would have been pitch black out in that field.
could “granny sighting” and kickee be the same?
As I drive to class in about 1 hour, I will pass the Chief Medical examiners office on my way to VCU, as I usually do. But today will be a little different, I will look, probably stare at that building, and know that Morgans body, is in there. And If that doesnt make the old saying “so close, yet so so far” ring true, I dont know what does.
We are due to have some snow this saturday ion the metro richmond area, hopefully, the VSP will not encounter any snow in Cville or collect all the evidence they need before then!
Justice is on the way
Thanks Blink, I just wanted to clear that up!
(from comment #93)
I am a supporter of Lt. Rader. I feel he needs to back up his comments about not warning parents.
B
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I thought it was irresponsible of Lt. Radar to give the response he gave. “Should parents around this area be warned?” and he answers with a bunch of BS like “Charlottesville is a nice place to live and work”… Well, no shit Sherlock. I love Charlottesville. I was born in UVA hospital, went to UVA undergrad, and plan on remaining here for the rest of my life. I don’t need LE to tell me it is a nice place to live. What I want to know, and I want to know NOW, is should I be alarmed that there is a psycho on the loose? Yes, there are always psychos somewhere on the loose, but if one has been KNOWN to be living in Charlottesville, 103 days later, I demand to be “warned”.
There are going to be a city full of angry citizens if we find out we have been misled.
My heart continues to break for Morgan’s family. I pray to God he is found and pays dearly. Pays with his life.
What stemmed this rumor? Completely made up out of the blue? Do we know if there is a 28 year old man who worked on the farm and attended the concert at least?
J2K comments — January 28, 2010 @ 2:22 pm”In other words: “Let’s go,” was not a bizarre order; it was actually, “Let go! (of my arm) F–ker!” [kick]”
If he realized that someone witnessed this encounter and KNEW it was likely to be reported – maybe he did a preemptive?
Just one other thought – if the necklace was not recovered – It might be entirely possible that a crow has flew the coop -soastospeak- with it. A necklace like the one Morgan was wearing would reflect light and anything flying overhead would probably see it.
Blink – does your inside sources, or your experience, tell you that they know who it is and that an arrest will happen anytime (possibly pending forensic evidence so that they can make the arrest) OR do you think that they don’t know the who yet, but will soon via the cameras and/or DNA.
Reason why I ask is because if they don’t know the who today, he may try to skip town now that all this is coming out and that concerns me.
He is in the sites, yes.
B
J2K, glad to see you are on this thread. I think you are right about the kickee and LET GO vs. Let’s go… Thanks for always thinking.
Red Hill local, thank you for your invaluable insights.
Liam, and Lakelover thanks for bringing that info. Liam, if true,very interesting.
Observer, thank you for the post, I hope they have a POI and they will catch him in his flight.
Test, I just want to say I have been at BOC for a long while. You can trust Blink with any sensitive info. She NEVER betrays a confidence.
Blink, sorry to here you are not feeling well. take care of yourself. We need you as so many others including your family, that have to share you so much. Thanks for everything you do.
lol, I am utterly miserable and acting like a sick *man*. Trying to pull out, lol.
B
The hinky meter on this 44y arose originally, if I recall, for various reasons, one being the version of events may have been that he grabbed Morgan by her arm, and she in return kicked him.
The hinky really rises now because of this line from The Hook article:
“He reported the matter to police as soon as he learned of the disappearance.”
and now Blink has said”
“I have been hinky on kickee from day one, my sources within LE tell me he never spoke to them.”
B
We all know this guy’s “experience” is critical to the timeline of events.
With the discrepancy in the reporting to police, I can’t help but go, huh?
I’m wondering, is it possible the “kicked” story was to explain any visible wounds, and that the “kicking” may not have occurred while “waiting for friends” to arrive, but during the abduction of Morgan?
What time did he call the girlfriend – - “around 9pm”, or later?
Whether or not the 44y is involved, I do believe the Harringtons had all along known of a suspected individual.
Perhaps the individual DID RETURN for the Metallica portion of the concert, which is how Gil Harrington is able to say her daughter did not live through the concert.
Or perhaps the individual was questioned (because of possible ID of his vehicle) and provided an “alibi” that he was at another location say at 10pm, which was verified, but actually could now be interpreted as the time after he “left” Morgan, which again is how Gil Harrington can say her daughter did not live through the concert.
Another thought on the “time” is that perhaps Morgan was wearing a watch, and the watch was found with her, possibly damaged in such a way that it “stopped” at the time and date, with the damage connected to how she passed.
On another note, why does a 28y in Crozet sound familiar (not this arrest rumour, but something from before)?
Yep.
We have a dude admitting an altercation ( transpose for kicking incident) in a critical timeline, who refuses to be identified and I cannot verify with LE. Hinky stays hinky till we can.
B
terri, i was being a phasicious fish.
happy birthday suz! and ode!
Thank you Blink
Fingers crossed it’s soon. Prayers it happens peacefully.
I have images in my mind of a ‘suicide by cop’ scenario, as I’m sure perp is feeling desperate right about now, knowing his freedom is at stake. Hoping he’s arrested swiftly and without incident.
In regards to Karen – security now has scanners (have for the last 5 or so years) that scan the ticket, and there is no way they’d just wave somebody through and not scan the ticket. Maybe 20 years ago, but definitely not now AND if it was a sold out show (not sure).
Sitting here just waiting for any new updates……….
J2K, that rings so true. BUT . . . then who were the guys she was suddenly with and comfortable enough to be telling this tale?
NBC 29 Via Twitter:
VA State Police say NO arrest has been made in the Morgan Harrington case despite widespread rumors to the contrary. Investigation continues
http://twitter.com/nbc29
That one certainly made the rounds quickly…
arrrg *hear* I’m sorry to hear you are feeling ill, Blink. not here.. sigh.
I meant to add this to my last post. If Morgan’s murderer was someone known to her and that is why LE is not “warning” us parents, I still find that irresponsible. Anyone who could do this to a young lady, has it in him to do it to anyone. Even if it is someone with some grudge against her and targeted only her, he has it in him to kill again. Thus, the need to warn the community until this person or persons are behind bars, and God willing, eventually under the ground.
New from Corinne Geller:
Good afternoon,
NO arrest has been made in the ongoing criminal investigation into the
death of Morgan Harrington. Just after noon Thursday, state and local
investigators concluded their evidentiary search and canvassing efforts on the farm property where the remains were discovered Tuesday morning(Jan. 26, 2010). The investigation continues at this time. Investigators are also still awaiting news from the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner concerning a cause and time of death.
Thanks,
Corinne Geller | Virginia State Police | Public Relations Manager
Thanks B-dog
you posted this before I had a chance to post my piece after speaking with her. I redacted her contact info-
B