Morgan Harrington Murder: Virginia State Police Press Conference Today
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Charlottesville, VA– Corrine Geller, Public relations Manager for Virginia State Police, Appomatox barracks, has announced a Press Conference scheduled for today at 3PM.
“..No arrest has been made. No cause of death has been determined. Today’s press briefing is just an investigative update..”
Lt. Joe Radar, the ead investigator with VSP into the death of 20 year old Virgina Tech student Morgan Harrington, is expected to lead the briefing.
Morgan Dana Harrington, who is scheduled to be laid to rest tomorrow, was found deceased at the Anchorage Farm in a remote location of the vast property.
The press conference is going to focus on the Farm property where Morgan was recovered.
Police have not yet named a suspect in her disappearance and murder.
Please check back to blinkoncrime.com for this continuing story.
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Yoshi, I don’t know the person you are referring to in the video; however, I believe by the point this video was taken, that Morgan had left the arena — see in the center, the drums — they had been under a tarp for the LOG performance, and it appears that all of the LOG equipment is now off the stage — it looks like Metallica is getting ready to come on stage — which puts this video shot around 9:00 PM-ish or thereafter —
if you give show me a point on the video, I can look at the person more closely
hope that helps —
Sky
“acho says:
March 1, 2010 at 9:05 am
RedHillLocal: I could not sleep, and you were on my mind at 4 this morning! I was going b/n PTA concerns and fears that you had disappeared from this site for some grim reason. Reason always returns after a 6:30 cup of coffee, and lo and behold, so have you! Phew. Could one of these be the mystery object, then? Mike inquired about the same, and you confirmed it’s not a person, so perhaps you or someone else can say Very likely or Definitely not:
http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3680017&cp=702372&parentPage=family
http://www.sportsauthority.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3366156&cp=702372&parentPage=family”
Acho, the image certainly COULD be, but I doubt it for a couple of reasons. This type of stand-alone stand is not as common as a stand that attaches to a tree, ie:treestand, either by a ladder-stand that leans against a tree, or a portable stand that you can either climb a tree with, or one that attaches to a tree and you use small screw-in steps or an attachable ladder to climb up into.
Secondly, the location of the object is right on the property line with Blandemar. No ethical hunter is going to pout his stand right on the line and be tempted by a big buck stepping out of the adjacent property owners posted property. Also, the location would be all wrong for the predominant wind direction in that area which is very important when bow hunting. In this location, the wind would be at your back the majority of the time. Not good!
What do I think it is? Not sure, but I would guess that it’s simply a cluster of scrub trees or something similar that appears to be the outline of a person.
To my knowledge, there are only four hunters on the property(not counting any trespassers or poachers). One doesn’t deer hunt, so we’re down to three for that time of year during deer season. I know for a fact that one of them bow hunts but most of the time it’s on the Bass property east of 29. Bow season runs from the first Sat. in Oct until near the end of Oct. Gotta get back to work.
Good Morning All,
First, let me say thank you to all who were kind enough to worry if my feelings were hurt. You too Blink. THANK YOU
My comment of invisible ink was one of jest though. However, I was very concerned you guys missed my links to the “music scene”. So much so that I am posting them again.
http://www.myspace.com/theoutbacklodge
http://www.readthehook.com/music/?m=200906&cat=3
juliemooly, The poster link for The OutBack Lounge proves your point of dangerous depictions of women. Until, Morgan was taken I had no idea that Charlottesville- Croset, ect are much like Seattle in the 90′s. So many new bands, coming from the area. As to your question, “Why would women subject themselves to this …rage? I can only say IME they like the beat, they like the adrenaline rush. Its kind of like enjoying a roller coaster or scary movie, for women its kinda scary, but its not real, they are safe. Not all metal bands do this, just as all Madonna songs aren’t about dancing or underage pregnancy, ya know? Besides, the same can be said for most music genres depictions of women, if the right songs are played. Can it not?
R&B= women, two timing, breaking hearts cant be trusted cold hearted
Country = crazy, nagging, shot gun weddings, two timing, divorcing, car cutting up/ baseball bat swinging Hell hath no fury playthings
Rap= sex objects, booty wiggling, money grabbing, two timers crazy bimbos
Rock= same all of above (when the right song is played)
classical= its in the interpretation of the listener, in their heart and mind= possibly more dangerous than all of the above….
Point made= I’ll stop
Just like to say I never thought I would read some of those words here at BOC, another reason, I think they do it listen to it ect
SHOCK VALUE
P.s J2K Whoa there, friend, I haven’t had my coffee yet. I will address your long winded, well thought out post soon. I want to be sure I understand ALL of your points, and feelings. I wrote in my comment to Gifter, that I think people here don’t question your points because they agree with you or- they are so well written, and you are so well respected- I am adding to the list… They are afraid you will tear them a new one in a “re” to their post LOL
But just need to say for now, Gifter3 was not being mean to you, Homie. She was just expressing her opinion about my post *playfully*.
We are all not as well versed at it as you are J2 the K.
P>S Did I tell you -You are a FUNNY guy????/ Who knew you were so much like Spider?. J/k
Actually, I rarely quote anyone, especially from second hand sources- even a reporter. I really wish they would show the ENTIRE interview. This has happened several times following this case. Reporters can add their own words to something someone says, just as easily as I did. They also might blow over an important statement that means nothing to them, but might mean alot to someone else. Remarks can be shown out of context as well.
Yoshi, I see the girl you’re asking about now — she’s at the end of the stage near where the stairs are and the one lady w/ short blonde hair is going up the stairs — it starts around 007 up to 0013 —
If that is morgan, she’s pulled her shirt down on her shoulders and she has a scarf around her neck —
again, if that IS Morgan, from the activity on the stage it appears to be after 8:48 — the time she supposedly made the phone call WHILE ON THE OUTSIDE of the arena —
Blink, maybe you should send this video over to LE to re-question the friends to see if she pulled her t-shirt down over her shoulders — but it looks like a long-sleeved shirt — of course she could have changed — and if she put a scarf around her neck —
if she did change, then this may alert others to finding her in their photos/videos –
Blink,
Very early on when there were conflicting accounts regarding Morgan’s car, you said you were given an address in Crozet. What ever became of that address/location? Is the person who gave it to you relevant in any way? Did they stop there b4 continuing on to the concert?
I took a stack of flyers the day I left that search weekend. My daughter, son and I passed them out from Cville and back the Hburg. I mailed them with all my bills.
I held out hope she would come back to her family. She did.
(Not just the way I had wanted)
Now, is there anyway that we could have another flyer to post? It would have to read “MURDERED” instead of “MISSING”. I warn you now though, people may not like this but I will be first in line. What else can we do to help? Maybe blanketing these in between these two towns, could be a way to have it put right back in front of their faces! Plus if Crozet is an important factor, then it couldn’t hurt there either. BTW, could someone tell me when the Crozet Musical Festival is next year?
It seems that I would have company in that line. Skyler, localcvillegirl, cville, juliemooly, cristy already know their way to North Garden and how many others of us that would take that trip? I can fit seven!
Have any of you ever seen teenages haul it through a business district posting flyers? They are a force to be reckoned with!
Juliemooly, Nope. You aren’t being curmudgeon(or however you spell it) in you opinion. At least not IMHO, I agree 100%. And why females go along w/it is way beyond me.
OOps not Spider but Tommy DeVito (Pesci) J2K, I would never dare shoot you in the foot, But I do however think your stories, you know the way you tell ‘em is funny. and… and I am a little afraid of you and… and I might fold under pressure!! LOL
Mom3.0, I have to admit you are right that not all memebers of a music genre are chauvinistic or even misogynistic. It just seems like, instead of progressing, like feminism once progressed, that things are getting more violent in imagery and mood in general, or that it’s more acceptable, or I’m just old.
I think my first rock concert was either Rush or Yes; it was the ’80′s and I can’t remember! All that hair and I wasn’t any closer to God, just had bigger hair.
Chad, thanks for the email, will do it tonight, promise, Daughter at school…
The clues:
Red Hills I believe is:
Good pics of the gate entrance off Red Hill Rd. Quick entry whether by one person or two. But only by someone familiar with the area.
This is the entry- Blink, correct me if I’m wrong about the clue, and should be trying to figure out what that thing is in the pic?
Croset connection clue:
“I also found it interesting that one of the residents questioned is a member of a “successful local band” and he attended the Metallica concert.”
Which band? SOB? or are we talking brewery? are we talking family?
The Harrington’s saying they believe more than one person is involved. I’d like to think we had something to do with this. LE…read on…. Dr. Harrington and family, keep the faith. Morgan… shine on beautiful girl…shine on…
fish – i think that’s a great idea
bob dog – thanks for the mea culpa…i think i misread condescension from your post to me and that’s why i called it a “hit”. thank you for your explanation. obviously, i didn’t make my point clear that it was to illustrate how wt could present himself as harmless. that’s why all of our perspectives on here are so important. it doesn’t have to make anyone right or wrong, necessarily…just provides a different set of eyes. that is a very good thing. i appreciate your thoughtful and informative posts as i do others. the only thing that bothers me in a forum like this is personal attacks and/or belittling of any poster. blink has been quite good at keeping a lid on most of that. oh, and i did not take your words as a personal affront at all…just a “hit” to my imagination. haha.
i am pretty thick skinned, so keep on keeping on. my personality compels me to spill verbage at an alarming rate sometimes without a filter. my editing skills are sorely lacking, but i am what i am.
blinkers rule
total amateur says:
March 1, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Wow, that is a scary story! (I will tell it to my teen daughter.) Your friend is so lucky that she thought of that and ran and was able to get away. Ever since my daughter was a little girl I’ve roll played with her on how to scream loud and run for help. Bad people are everywhere. When I was a teen my friend and I got into a car with a guy we didn’t know cause we exited the mall at the wrong door and had to walk in the cold very far (mall had closed). He offered a ride, said it’s okay, I’m a security guard, and I jumped in. My friend was hesitant but I wasn’t. Lucky for us he drove us right to our car. But she was smart enough to be mad at me and lecture me. I was only 16, but I still remember that and realized how dumb it was. But I did it again in my 20′s on an Army base when a soldier offered me a ride, thinking they were all safe. He got me to my destination, but then someone gave me a huge lecture, that just cause their in uniform doesn’t mean they are all safe. They are just people. Seems like we have to learn lessons as we go, in different scenarios. Now I’m trying to pass those on to my kids. It is a tough and scary world out there, and it seems our lawmakers are working against us rather than for us sometimes since they keep letting the RSO’s back out on the streets for another shot at our children and loved ones.
“When Morgan and Amy Melvin, roomie at VT in their off campus Blacksburg apartment arrived in Crozet to pick up Amy Snead and her boyfriend for the evenings event, Morgan called Dr. Harrington, or Poppa, as she affectionately called him, to notify her parents of their safe arrival.”
snippet BOC
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/10/29/missing-morgan-and-then-she-was-gone-morgan-harrington-vanishes-from-metallica-concert/
Thanks to everyone for sharing your stories of how you almost became victims of violence. Chad, while your story about ‘Jane’ caused the hair to stand up on my neck and I could almost hear her heart beating, Observer’s story caused my stomach to fall to my knees like an elevator dropping. Thanks for sharing your story too RUmom which was also chilling. To other’s who related theirs and their friend’s experiences, totalamateur and others. Believe me I read them all and if I missed someone, and I know I did, rest assured that yours were just as important. I never had experiences like yours, but maybe sometime I will share my story about being a victim of a stalker. This wasn’t an internet stalker, but a real live one in the area I lived in. Until I got drawn in to Morgan’s disappearance and murder, I did very little on the internet, other than work and email.
Blink, I’ve been wanting to congratulate you on the Christine Sheddy case. I hope an arrest is right around the corner. It took two years to find her, but wow! I hope we’re beginning to see the killers, who have no respect for human life brought down and let justice for the victims be found and dealt. Thanks Blink for all you do! I sure am glad I found you.
There was a band playing in Crozet that night at 10 pm. Would this be somewhere she would be trying to get to maybe because she knew a friend would be there?
Jamie Dyer and Jamal Millner
Saturday, 17 October 2009
10pm
823-1300
team up for a night of bluesy rhythm. Twenty-one and up. Fardowners, 5773 The Square, Crozet.
justiceformorgan,
Hey, friend, thks for the links,very chilling.
After rereading my post about Ken and Barbie, I was afraid my statement of “only a rapist” would come back to haunt me.
Thanks for letting me clarify, I did not mean to minimize the depravity of rapists, nor did I mean to imply Paul was not capable of these atrocities without the help of Karla.
Without Karla, he may have never crossed that line. – I know for a fact, that Karla’s sister, and the other teen victims would never have trusted Paul alone, nor would it have been as easy to lure them into a false sense of safety. Karla, invited one girl over for girlie alcohol drinks, drugged her, both raped (but didn’t kill her)let her go. My point was women are more than capable of being the BG.
Hi Mom3.0 and thanks for mentioning my post. Much appreciated. Your words to J2K: Homies? I like that. I like to think that’s what we all are here. And we always have seats open for more. Thanks again my girl. Homie. That somehow makes my afternoon lighter.
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/82688062.html?storySection=comments
Posted by: catch the criminals Location: Virginia on Feb 1, 2010 at 11:19 PM
“Heard it hear, I know someone that lives in same vacinity as two guys arrested in Crozet and they seen the home roped off by police and searched and the guys were arrested, I also understand one guy is already in jail for B&E charges and might be the one that led police to these guys to get himself time off or something. I hope he and others get what they deserve if they actually raped and killed Morgan like said. The connection with these guys is they or at least one used to hunt on the farm so thats how they knew about the property. Such a sad tragedy this poor child had to endure. RIP Morgan and hold you family peacefully in your arms and comfort them from heaven. ”
Are these the “S” people? ( rhymes with Giblet )
The personal stories of learning the “Gift of Fear” are heartwrenching and haunting. I, too thought myself a very street-wise wary person. My mother gave me the gift of fear from early on. But still I made bad judgement calls, though very few. One stands out most. I was in the Air Force, and daily exercise was a part of my routine. I got up every morning and drove to the base @ 0530, where I’d jog my 5 miles alone in the dark before work. I only jogged on base because it was a “safe” place. I did this for 2 yrs until a woman was found murdered on that “safe” base. She was attacked leaving her housing on her way to work. I never jogged without a partner again. And I learned, and have passed on to all my kids, sons included, there is no such thing as a safe place.
Wow, Fish, everyday you amaze me more — I never thought about putting a flyer in w/ my bills — I pay the majority of them online, but not my power bill —
The Harringtons have changed the large posters on the Bridge to say: Help Find Morgan’s KILLERS — which for some odd reason I just teared up typing — maybe because it’s such a beautiful day in the neighborhood — finally the huge snow piles in my yard are gone, the sun is shining and it’s 49 degrees — Morgan should be bitching about having to stay inside class on a day such as this —
I’m in for whatever anyone wants to do — my boy finally has a job — thank you, God ! — and so I don’t know whether he is free — if he is, I will drag him w/ me — he’s already been out on recon once, and as much as he complained, I think he liked it — he took some great shots —
Fish, come to FB and I’ll give you my email —
I am watching Animal Cops Houston — I wish that investigator Steve Jansen was on Morgan’s case — he’s the lead investigator and my favorite — every time he’s on TV saving horses, I send them money –
Mom3.0 -
My comment to you last night appears “long-winded” because I answered you point-for-point in regard to your previous post to me on the Friends, so it is a combination of your long post and my long rebuttal. Capeesh?
(And on that gangster note, if I’m “Spider,” uh, does that make you… Tommy? Fa cryin’ out loud, put the weapon down – I’ll bring the damn Crown Royal to you next time!)
sky -
Sorry to trigger a grab for the Excedrin so early in the day. I absolutely understand your main point regarding the Friends is that if, perhaps, MH was sent outside that night by her group to buy drugs, then such a (possibly critical) detail could have been withheld by these tight-lipped young people out of fear of legal reprisal.
If you can force yourself to read where I address such scenarios in my post to Mom3.0 (referenced above), then *you* may just understand *my* point on this avenue of thought: MH’s disappearance was likely treated as a “high-risk” missing-person-case from the start, which means – as I took pains to lay out from research I’d done on this in that post – that the Friends she attended the concert with were undoubtedly questioned and grilled and re-questioned and forced to clear up seeming contradictions as per LE’s investigatory protocol.
Even if they held off telling the whole truth in the beginning (probably, if true, as an attempt to avoid incriminating themselves for drug and/or alcohol use), LE sure as sh*t shook the truth out of them eventually.
Also: You may not have enjoyed my post, but I certainly got a kick with my coffee envisioning you coming through your son’s cell phone, clucking away over the speaker while you waited for him to physically plunk the DVD in its return slot. Ha! Talk about precious…
fish –
I meant no disrespect to Camden – I am seriously (and actively) rooting for that city.
Also: The following retort from you on a poster’s (joking) speculation that you and Farmer Bass were possibly one and the same:
“Unless Mr. Bass is into wearing clogs and has his hair so high that it is close to God…then he is not the lipgloss wearin’ fish!”
Priceless.
(Behold the Lobes!)
Mom3.0 – re: O/T
Just wanted to note I posted the above comment before I saw your reply, which updated your reference to me being kinda like trigger-happy Tommy as opposed to hesitatingly brave (and instantly shot) “Spider” – but I’m not sure which respective roles for us would be funnier…
RE: juliemooly says:
March 1, 2010 at 11:26 am
Juliemooly, you are right. Maybe we can organize an all girl METAL band and the first album could be called Dick Crusher, or something like that!! (I’m sure we can think of some good titles).
I know, I know….I don’t condemn all metal fans, by any means, but that kind of stuff….well, it’s just disturbing. How alienated and lost they must still be. Great parents they had, right!
I just spent an hour trying to find it- can somebody help me out? Where did Morgan’s friends sleep that night? They needed a DD to get to the concert- did they spend the night back in Crozet? If spending the night in Crozet was the groups original plan, it would make sense for Morgan to try and get a ride back there to hang out somewhere and meet back at the friends later that night.
Blink~I have only posted once before (thank you Mom3.0 for the welcome). My dear husband told me not to run to him when the F5 key on my computer breaks because I hit it so often hoping for new post here at Blink.
Anyway, what I want to say today is that I get so much information from EVERY post here but for a few days I have not been hitting that F5 key so often because I do NOT like to see any of the awesome posters here to have harsh things to say to one another, honestly it makes my heart hurt. I have no doubt most here care very dearly for one another so please be patient with one another and not let the darkness that came into Morgans beautiful life claim the wonderful friendships that have came about because her light did shine so brightly. To me the love on this board proves just how bright.
Lovingly Lisa the lurker
Warning long post coming – Sky no worries friend. Me and our gal J2K are ok. Different opinions spark debate, and new knowledge-info right?
J2k- yeah, I meant you are Tommy I am Henry- see previous post-March 1, 2010 at 1:52 pm
If this has been posted, disregard, but here’s a listing of the C-ville area music events on 10/17/09
Music
10/17/2009
The Paramount Theater The Robert Cray Band.
10/17/2009
John Paul Jones Arena Metallica: World Magnetic Tour.
10/17/2009
The Box DJ XSV
10/17/2009
Basic Necessities Victor Cabas
10/17/2009
Lazy Parrot Grill Karaoke.
10/17/2009
Wild Wing Cafe Karaoke.
10/17/2009
Random Row Books White Hinterland.
10/17/2009
Twisted Branch Tea Bazaar Menya.
10/17/2009
Bel Rio Sentimental Journey.
10/17/2009
Chamber Music.
10/17/2009
Jamie Dyer and Jamal Millner
10/17/2009
Fellini’s #9 Red Hot Chilly Pickers.
10/17/2009
Maya Christian Breeden
10/17/2009
Coupe DeVille’s Shortness of Breath.
10/17/2009
Old Cabell Hall Family Weekend Choral Showcase
10/17/2009
Rapunzel’s Gene and Gayla Mills.
10/17/2009
Charlie’s Restaurant The Victrolas
http://www.c-ville.com/index.php?cat=141404064507774&CalDate=2009-10-17
Okay, taking in huge breathe…slowly exhaling…. First apologies to
BOC longggg post I’ll break it up… Part 1
J2k, Wow. First let me say Wow… Once someone gets you going girl, watch out. Please tell your boyfriend, from me, to be careful about disagreeing with J2K. Tell him I said, She is not only smart, she is a dynamo at debating her point of view. By the time she is done giving you a well thought out counter, you will not know what hit you, as she knows how to dazzle you with a barrage of words. So much so you will be reeling from the “verbage”.LOL
Blink once said, she finds herself wanting to disagree with you just so the debate can ensue…. I can see why., Blink-
Here goes… You wrote:
I’m getting your overall point is that this investigation – contrary to my submission – cannot start outside the arena around 8:15 p.m. that night, when MH exited the concert and inadvertently separated from her friends for good… because the whole strange, unsettling, inexplicable series of events that led to her being missing (and, subsequently, found dead) is part of the Big Picture; and, as such, what appear to be contradictory misleading misstatements from the Friends only underscore the need to explore every facet of her life at the time and unearth The Truth — i.e., what truly happened from start to finish on and leading up to Oct. 17, when MH set off for the long-waited concert with her Bburg roommate and never returned.
*J2K, No, this was not my overall point. I said in an earlier post, that I can not focus on the friends in the timeline. My timeline begins IN the P. LOt. I don’t revisit the friends there after the concert, either because Morgan’s timeline is not there…Her purse may be but she is not.
(M3:) “Sky went back and read your Part 2 on the friends, missed the 1st go around. Also, read J2k re: to your post. J2k, you wrote: Rader said (We only care what happened after she exited the arena)…This leads me to believe – at that point in the investigation, when the timeline was released – LE had concluded that whatever happened to her was most likely *not* related to the friends.’ …
“At that time LE wasn’t even sure if something ‘criminal’ had happened to Morgan. I think it was acho that made a point of saying smart of the friends to get a lawyer and this probably helped them to be more forthcoming to LE. I hope so, but in my experience, lawyers are there to protect their clients. They are not their to make it easier for LE to get their questions answered.”
(Me:) Mom3.0, I beg to differ that LE did not consider this a a high-priority (criminal) investigation from the start, despite their spokes-figures initially making a necessary point by stating otherwise in response to pointed press inquiries they were unable to answer at that time.
*J2k, I agree this was “probably” the case. But you can not choose which comment you think is a talking point and which is spoken truthfully-
You wrote: I submit that — in the context of typical LE missing-person protocol I’ve researched — within a day or so of Dr. H reporting his daughter missing, and through the course of several critical interviews, it was determined MH’s disappearance could be classified as a “high-risk missing person” investigation,”
*J2k, “Could Be” are the operable words here. In my experience, A 20 year old girl missing from a concert,is not deemed a “high risk” Most of us at that time (including her friends) thought she just hooked up and would return. I’d like to point out LE never warned the public of this- (believe me, I know what you are saying is true) but again you can not know this for a fact- See what I mean? Although I appreciate your educating me on the protocols-You are SPECULATING, that this is in fact EXACTLY how it all went down.
(Me:) Obviously I covered some of this directly above, but I further remind you that what *we* know and what *LE* knows are quantities of information vastly different in scale – i.e., most if not all of what LE knows Didn’t come from reporters; that information exchange has been vice-versa. As far as the gas-station sighting, I’m not sure what the relevance is, as, in the end, it was likely not a credible sighting – just one that was revisited because leads at that point had mostly withered up, from what I recall, and the witness seemed believable, imo.
*J2k, my ever so lovable friend, I agree that we do not know what LE knows- that is my point- You go on to deem that the S.gas sighting was most likely deemed irrelevant. I agree but YOU do not know this as fact and neither do I. J2k, we all value your opinions and we know you base your postings on your knowledge thru your work ect. But when a person disagrees with a point you make, or revisits a subject you have deemed not important, you have a tendency to balk. Although I don’t think this is your intention.
(Me:) I disagree with your use of “admonish,” but that’s neither here nor there.
*J2k I am sorry if my choice of wording offended you, I was using the word admonish because of this def.-
admonish:To reprove gently but earnestly. To counsel (another) against something to be avoided; caution. To remind of something forgotten
(Me:)I also think you may have misinterpreted your interpretation of my above speculative scenario (which I believe I identified as such). First, you directly (and I believe accidentally) misquote me:
I wrote: “… I think she hoped she could make something of her night, let her friends still have a good time, and then they could just meet MH with her car later at the theoretical party…”
You re-wrote that passage, changing its meaning in your quotation: “… As in your above statement, (J2K) – ‘They could just meet at MH’s car later.’ Sky says- Lt. Rader is quoted as saying; paraphrase: there was no planned meeting for the end of the concert, no matter what is published — (http://www.readthehook.com/stories/20).”
I don’t so much care I was misquoted, but I’d like to note (hopefully upon re-read it will be clear to you that) I was actually (*speculatively*, obvs) suggesting what the (at-the-time-seemingly-sensible-to-MH-but-ultimately irrational) thoughts could have been leading her to try to leave Cville during the concert that night without her friends or her car.
*J2K, I am sorry that I didn’t take your whole statement as the quote, my point was that, you were speculating-
You answer Sky’s speculation with a speculation- You do not know what Morgan’s intentions were, nor do you know what her plans were or whether or not it was irrational for her to want to meet back up at the car (or if she even thought this).(or that her friends were aware of her thoughts) Because all we do know, is that she walked around to the rvlot, that is all, perhaps this was her only intention, then she would simply walk back- What I think is the only irrational thing MH did( that we know of) was HH on the bridge- because this is what LE has stated- but my gut tells me she was not- but that would be speculating-
Love ya J2k-
Part 2
*J2k, I hope this is not coming off combative, not my intention, my only intention was to say -your “could have been” scenarios are no more or less valid than any other contributors. Understand?
(M3:) “But we all know J2k, that we have heard from DS that they were gonna party together, until one was missing. We also know that they waited around for at least 2 hours or ‘awhile’ depending on who is speaking. Also, J2k, let us not forget, in earlier statements, Morgan was said to have the money for the hotel room(to party) that’s why they waited.”
(Me:) Now, my friend, it is you relying too heavily on witnesses’ accounts to the press of their interactions with MH. After-party, as well as the conversation-about-missing-”someone,” with DS? Unconfirmed. Money for hotel room after show? Unconfirmed.
So, contradictions in these accounts? Unconfirmed.
*J2K, o’ my sweet funny friend, My point is you, nor I, nor anyone,(outside possibly LE) can rely on ANYTHING these friends have said. Period. It has ALL been unconfirmed. We don’t know what their OFFICIAL statements to LE were.
(M3:) “My point is dear friend, Who’s statement do we take as fact? Which statement is LE aware of? IMO no one can put there faith in any statement given by a friend or friend of friend. If one statement is suspect,then all statements are suspect.”
(Me:) I defer you to my passage in this post on LE missing-person-investigation protocol. In answer to your question, we would be wise (and efficient of our time) to take LE’s statement’s to the public — not as fact, mind you — but as the deemed-credible information they’ve obtained that has furthered this case from its painfully vague, wide-open beginnings to a point where they’re apparently looking for/at a Cville local(s) with attachments to AF, rather than to MH herself.
*J2k, I myself have said, time and time again, that I am going to have to rely on LE statement that the friends have been cleared. Also, Dr. Harrington’s and Gil’s statement of no blame and Blink’s statement that besides bad behavior/selfishness, she believes the friends are not to be blamed. This is why I do not include them in my timeline. As to your statement about LE I concur, except to say I do not think they are relying solely on the friends statements, they have tip lines, and many investigative tools at their disposal…
Part3 The end
(M3:) “I have been trying very very hard to give the friends a pass. Yet, more seems to trouble me, cvillegirl, was it you who told us of your watching SS be admonished for not wanting to search?”
(Me:) I think it may have been Just Desserts who reported his/her witness account to the exchange at the ground search. But, because we do not know the context of this conversation — “(SS), you HAVE to do this! (search) …not an option!” — it is not fair to consider it suspicious behavior. SS could have been entering a state of increasing shock, as the life-changing reality of the situation became very apparent at the very real search she was about to participate in for her childhood friend’s body.
*J2K, I did not say I thought it was suspicious behavior. What I said was, I have been trying to give them a pass. (meaning on their behavior) See, as a parent of 2 teens, Their ages are not an excuse, sure, they need to be factored in, but age of 20 somethings is NOT an excuse. Does it excuse, drunk drivers? No. Does it excuse date rapes? No. Does it excuse selfcenteredness, yes, to a point. I agree she may have been going into shock, so could they still be later in shock while partying… but you do not know that J2k, you are speculating. I could speculate she was hung over, but it would be a gross speculation.
(M3:) “Nothing, and I mean nothing, that these friends or friends of friends have said or done makes sense to me. That is why I am unable to begin Morgan’s timeline before she was locked out.”
(Me:) Speculative/unconfirmed-but-media-released witness accounts of the night aside, what is so hard to believe, Mom3.0? (Though, I definitely nderstand your position.)
Three lifelong college friends had tix to a much-hyped concert/a close male add-on to their party served as DD to the hour-away concert venue, all hitting the road after MH and AM met their crew at JMU (and likely pre-partied for a few hours or less). They enter the JPJ, and at some point in between the warm-up acts and Metallica, MH leaves her friends, possibly falls down and hits her chin, and ends up outside, immediately attempting to get back back in repeatedly at all entrances to no avail. Said selfish, also-buzzed friends inside are confused by her situation, but remain catastrophically unconcerned because, it seems, MH eventually assured them she’d fend for herself.
* J2K, First, let me say when I wrote these lines I was referring to their behavior that night, and next day.
I want to commend the friends that searched, RT, SS ect. I want to commend SS for giving an interview. I want to commend Morgan’s friends for walking in the parade., passing out flyers, holding vigils, attending the memorial, selling bracelets for charity in Morgan’s name. All these things are commendable. Thank you
Next, J2k you forgot ,FB statements, photos ect. I do not understand, drunk or not, how these friends did not leave the concert and find her, 1 just 1, should have left, no matter how gracious a person Morgan was, to be with her. They were her tickets, her car, her gas. It was raining cold, she was drinking. I can not understand how after the concert they did not alert her father, how they drove away in her car. I have covered for friends in my time. The old Hey mom Im staying at M3′s when friend was staying over bF, going to all night party ect.
But I knew all of the details. Who they were with, what time to meet up later ect. If Friend deviated from the plan – Yes, I would have called my friends parents. In fact once,, next day, friends mom called house- She was supposed to be with you- she wasnt supposed to spend the night- Im worried – out came the truth – luckily she was fine. And yes, we were still friends- cause friends stick by each other- no matter what-
As to how the friends feel J2K, I don’t know. I hope they have told the truth the whole truth…to LE
Everything else is speculation. I think others have a right to wonder about the friends and draw their own conclusions.
As for myself, I state again, Dear Dr. Harrington, Gil, I hope you understand. Dear friends, hopefully you’ll be here to see my apology for talking about you guys, and it will be much deserved. One day you will be parents and over 30, then you’ll understand the questioning. Peace
Yoshi: I hope this helps but it is only my opinion. Blink may have a better shot at this. Here it goes…
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=tbyrd7777#p/u/13/JScSv7ff9hQ
This I believe is Dee, She has hair just reaching her upper middle back. She has a black thin bracelet on left arm. Skyler said to look between 007-0013 and she is right. Start stopping and starting at 005 and you can see her arm with bracelet on. Looks to be one of those rubber ones. You can also pick out the guy to her right has a black t-shirt on with a picture of some guy with black glasses on. I think this is a concert t-shirt, maybe of Metallica.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=64366492#
This I believe is Dee and her group at 7:49/07:51. Please, start trigger tapping at 7:46 so not to miss. She is in bottom left corner. Yoshi, at this time, can see her in all black and bare-legged. Her hair is not as long as I think Morgan’s was.
and now onto the Goodbyes:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=64366492#
This is Dee and her group leaving JPJA. At 1:29/1:32, you can see her with her black shirt slipped off shoulder and you can see the guy, who I believe is her boyfriend with a black t-shirt on with some sort of picture on the front, maybe of Metallica or another band.
Sky, I know the boy is working, YEE HAW! But tonight could you ask him if he can recognize this shirt. I think it is of Metallica or another band. Not that it matters but what does is he got a job! Good for you, sonofablink! Sending you RockGod mad love!
Yoshi, we have a timing issue with the bands on and off stage and the phone call Morgan made. She would have been out of the arena by then.
So, I surmise that the young lady you see on the first video listed above, is none other than Dee Spolarics, JMU student and Metallica lover!
Link to http://www.whsv.com/home/healines/66764102.html. This will not work but I’m trying. It is Dee’s interview with WHSV, Harrisonburg. She looks alot like…with regards to the blonde hair, dressed in black that night and about the same height.
HENCE, why a photo of Morgan, as she was that night or close to that night would have been nice to see!! If I can sit here and pick out of a crowd then I would have been more equipped to recognize her.
I’m willing to go back to videos as long as they keep getting questioned. Keep them coming.
yes j2k, none taken, i’m pulling for them too and i do need more gloss!
redhill: then I’m thinking that he is not one of the hunters on bass’s land. Maybe he knows of this specific area from trailing along?
Or no and just as a friend/relation livin’ nearby? Maybe he has worked on and off, in this area, depending on what service was needed .Do people just go out and explore with nothing said to them? Can one wander and never been seen? Just asking to understand.
I’d like to say thanks to all for sharing their personal stories regarding the gift of fear. It certainly gives one a lot to think about. There is a war going on in this country on women and children alike that needs to stop.
Interesting reading below and some good tips at the end. I’m not sure but you have to copy and paste the link into your browser.
http://www.harfordmedlegal.typepad.com/forensics_talk/profiling_rapists.html
Sorry, guys! It really didn’t work when I tried to click on it before. Does now!
Skyler & Yoshi: Re video.
That girl does look alot like Morgan, tall, thin. And my God if that guys big balding head would get out of my way. But that girl does have a skirt on, no tights. I can get a quick glimpse before the Head is there. Also it looks like this girl has a whitish bag on right shoulder. I don’t see a scarf. I have no info about what time it is, will defer to you Sky, I don’t know the band folks.
Also, you notice the 4 guys in black so interested in her conversation there. Certainly makes you wonder how many people actually saw this girl & not Morgan throughout JPJ arena.
Skyler,
Thanks for looking at the video. I awoke in the middle of the night last night and realized I didn’t give anyone any details as to where I was looking. I just looked at a couple of other videos and it appears that that young woman is Dee. Oh well.
I opened up some other random guy’s photos the other night and there she was again. Uggh! 1 in 16,000 and she’s everywhere!
“Gil Harrington’s thoughts from March 1, 2010
I took some baby steps this week and started the breakdown of Morgan’s apartment at Virginia Tech. It is a painful process to dismantle your child’s life, especially when I recall all the joy and expectation we had when we moved her in only 18 months ago.
Morgan’s apartment was great; comfortable, quirky and fun. She was the girl who had everything: a great apartment, friends, intelligence and beauty. The only thing she had in limited supply was life – what a short life. What a tremendous waste.
Even thinking of that waste makes my breath choppy – I am only taking baby steps because it is so very difficult and also because I want to go slowly and savor this dismembering of the home Morgan had made. You can learn a lot about someone when you see the environment they create and how they live in it. It makes me happy and proud to see just how on top of things and how together Morgan’s way of living was.
I take my time; enjoy these glimpses of the person she was becoming. Morgan was pretty special at the young age of 20, given the chance to actually grow up she was going to be absolutely phenomenal. Why couldn’t it be?
2 4 1″
It never ceases to amaze me at the pure strength of Gil (& Dan too). Reading Gil’s take on how she is handling the loss of her dear shiny Morgan makes my heart break all over again! She is definitely right about Morgan, given the chance to actually grow up, she was going to be phenomenal. But now, with the murder of our beautiful Morgan, and Gil & Dan’s strength throughout this horrible tragedy, the life and death of Morgan will not be in vain. Those 3 people added together as one force, will end up making such a huge difference in this world for so many. Of that, I have no doubt!
My daughter found this video and she thinks there is someone who looks similar to the young woman in Yoshi’s video find in a previous post. Check at 3:06. The girl looks like she is wearing a shirt but it is also off the shoulder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YliWr2e5ufE
fish, you’re probably right that I’m wrong for not ruling in women, too. I guess I have no real reason to rule them out. Heck, I’ve only really recently ruled myself out, and then only after some tough questioning..!
My mom (and Carol Burnett) act loud and crazy when they think they are being followed by a ne’er-do-well. It tends to confuse the BG, who is depending on getting an expected reaction of shock and fear from you. Since the crazy respond differently than the rest of us, they really aren’t sure what to do you with you, and kind of back away. (Now, evil gangs of teenagers might delight in beating you within an inch of your life for being crazy, so use it as a last resort, but I know she’s done it before, for instance when being followed on a dark street in a bad part of town after the theater, and swears it works).
Crazy = suddenly whooping and spinning around in a circle (where you can glimpse the creep tailing you), and being loud and talking to oneself loudly, arguing, cursing, etc.
Hello fellow Blinkers long time since I have posted but I read every post and have done from the very beginning of Morgans demise. I sat at a cafe today shedding tears under my dark sunglasses suddenly immobile with grief for Morgan and those like her and even tho I don’t have any new ideas to offer I feel if I keep her in my heart and keep reading I may be able to jump in with a realization that might be useful. Plus I so appreciate and am so fond of all of you oldtimer Blinks and of course Blink senior!!
I wrote all this today on my stinking Iphone and mentioned you all by name and offered up one of my
signature raw and hopefully motivating raves complete with spelling mistakes and infrequent capital letters( phone) and poured my out to all of you wonderful folks who refuse to keep your eyes closed and your mouths shut and how very grateful I am for your intelligence, wit, compassion and support, yes support , it helps me to come here and commune with people of all kinds who have joined forces and are committed to doing the right thing.It is too lonely to face this kind of reality alone and in Dr Harringtons words “evil does exist”
Anyway the whole post ( which I admit was on the lengthy side ) just disappeared when I tried to post it from my phone because I suppose I had not put my user name and email on my phone application.
Oh boy was I upset!! dang it!!
Anyway this post is quite pedestrian in comparison but Hummingbird says hello I miss you and love you and may justice be done for dear Morgan who had me at hello.
Big heart to you dear Blink , will not be too far away.
Hear back. I feel strongly there is rapid progress being made these days in Morgan’s case.
B
A little off topic, but I just want to send a big “you’re welcome” to everyone who read and found the sociopath links/info helpful. I thought it was really interesting how they can just be among us without us realizing it.
to keekee who might also have had posting remorse: well, maybe it’s a good thing we’ve got remorse!
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thank you to everyone who has shared personal stories of their encounters of the scary kind, i feel that it’s important to share these things so others can be aware of all that is lurking out there. if i had more time, i’d emphatically list all of the things i have learned from the posters here and from morgan and her family. but all of it is humbling, to say the least. keep on rockin, blink and everyone here.
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i’ll go back to reading and scratching my head now.
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Oh I am sorry to report that a lovely 13 year old girl from a school near my daughters school was killed in Los Angeles last friday morning when she ran across the road to catch the school bus. It was early in the morning and she ran against the lights because she was late. Her mother witnessed the whole thing from her car on the other side of the street. Two cars hit her, the first one turning onto the street with the crossing obscured by a big tree and then when she went down a 16 year old came speeding through the green light and killed her.
It was nobodys’ fault really just a tragic accident, if only she had waited, if only the teenage driver had not been in such a hurry and driving so fast. My daughter was very late to school that day Sunset Blvd was backed up, we didn’t know why and only found out later.
The tree is now festooned with flowers photos of her and candles burning, the poor mother lives on that street and has to see that everyday. All of us are shocked and heartbroken, I will post her name later so any of you who want to can pray for her peace and for her family. She has one brother. My mind is in too much of a fog to remember her name at this minute but am on my way to pick up my precious daughter from track practise and will post her name later tonight.
RE: J2K’s 3/1, 12:42 am, post:
Three words:
Ditto, times two!
[And I say again: would but that I had your command of the written word. You reflected my own thoughts, feelings, perspective and observations on these issues so well; thank you!] That said:
As you-all say, I “heart” you-all, including you and Mom3.0. I value and respect your posts immensely, as I do many others. Ragdoll said it better than I when she offered this gentle reminder to all of us: “There are complex, unique and passionate personalities here. Not everyone is going to agree but the common good is established. We do it for Morgan and for all victims who need our voices.”
Therein lies our common bond: For The Love of Morgan–a young woman we will never have the privilege of knowing in person, but feel we do know in heart and spirit. And on that note…
Some random thoughts about Morgan:
As are many people here, I am daily haunted by Morgan’s tragic death. In some ways it seems almost palpable, probably due to the fact that I have almost daily, physical reminders of her as I drive around the University. [My office is just down the road from JPJ.] Each time I drive over the Copeley Road bridge, or see JPJ (I was just there recently for another concert and drive by it frequently), there are poignant reminders of Morgan. Each time I drive down Massie Rd. or Emmet Street I wonder quietly to myself…is this the place where Morgan was at some point?…was Morgan driven down this road by the BG?…did Morgan walk along this sidewalk as she wandered about outside JPJ?
Morgan’s spirit is everywhere; thoughts of her bring her image immediately to mind. Each brings with it a haunting wonder, and each brings with it an increased anxiousness that Morgan’s BG be brought to justice.
This morning a staff member dropped by my office to share a thought about Morgan. Upon leaving, she said the same thing: “I just wish they’d find the guy soon…”
I share her understandable sentiment.
TO: Elizabeth, 3/1, 2:45am, re: who lived in the AF farm house prior to Mr. Bass’s daughter moving in. I know personally the renter who lived there for well over a decade years. This individual is well-known many by locals and has already been cleared by LE.
TO: Just Desserts, and your post about being a kid in Roanoke and noting “…and then almost everyone took a little more responsibility for their own actions and for what went on around them. I think that’s been widely lost as the old sense of physical community has faded, and more and more of that “civic responsibility” has been shuffled off on law enforcement. Only by use of technologies which more and more invade our privacies can LE come even close to keeping as tight a lid on crime as a citizenry can which personally and cooperatively acts responsibly and keeps its eyes and ears open.”
So well said, Just Desserts. And to that “cipher behind the curtain; Wizard of Oz” depiction: I understand completely your perspective and take no offense as I’m certain (from similar feedback from other posters) that many–if not, most–of my earlier posts probably did indeed carry that (unintended) tone. I appreciate that my posts appeared to be stridently pro-LE. [The irony is that I’ve had more than one opportunity to witness first-hand the failings and foibles of LE.]
If the tone and tenor of my posts has taken a markedly new turn of late, it is because I have had the privilege of witnessing here the collective ideas…theories…thoughts…but most of all, caring, of so many astute posters. We have become our own community, with Morgan at our very center.
Just Desserts, I thank you for your kind words on my behalf and am heartened in the reassurance that, through my posts, my own heart and spirit have come through. I know I see and experience that in so many others here who have contributed so much to this discussion. (And no worries: we won’t hate on you because of that male chromosome thing:)))
TO chad: I’m so glad you feel my story will be helpful to your daughter. Please think about printing off and sharing some of the others, as well, who were less frozen-in-fear than I and took appropriate action where I did not. There are so many valuable lessons to be learned in those posts.
TO fish, re: “Oh, how I could click my heels and you could be a fairy Godmother.“ You really brought a smile to my face (thanks!) with this comment, as I’m God-mom to lots of God-kids who I feel like are my very own…and to whom I am utterly devoted and protective. How about this: I’ll glady be your “virtual” Godmother! I do come with tons of God-mom experience:)))
J2k — it’s not that I didn’t “enjoy” your posts — I always do — but that was causing my brain to fire on all pistons — you are just way way too smart for me — I have to take it sentence by sentence : )
your ability to recall specific information –even from way long ago — still astounds me —
and then you have that cutting wit —
I sincerely hope you will pursue a more highly visible writing career — you easily can hold your own (and supercede) many of the drivel that passes for best sellers these days —
Again, I have this killer story — I mean, it is killer — it will be a major best seller — I just can’t write it anymore — but I’d be happy to collaborate w/ you — I’ll just add three little words :what she said”
You keep posting your adorable wonderful self — I still love your game: clue or coincidence !!! : )
As I type, i’ve been trying to get more junk up into the attic awaiting w/ baited breath the story on discovery at 10 P about the whale that exploded — they were hauling this poor sperm whale on the back of a semi and the thing just exploded sending whale guts and blood everywhere —
Karma is a bear — can’t wait for the BG’s karma to start kicking in —
You are precious and adorable to me and so dear to me —
I’ll try to take some “fish” oil and see if I can’t get my brain firing on a few more cylinders — ha
2008 Murder Stats
In 2008, 63.6% of murders were cleared by arrest(suspect is arrested, charged, turned over to court for prosecution).
An estimated 16,272 persons were murdered nationwide in 2008. There were 366 murders in Virginia in 2008:
240 by firearms (they break this down by type of gun, too)
54 by knives
61 by other weapons
11 by hands, fists, feet, etc.
Charlottesville had 5 murders or negligent homicides, and 23 forcible rapes in 2008.
UVA had 3 forcible rapes in 2008.
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- Single victim/single offender situations accounted for 48.9 percent of all murders for which the UCR Program received supplementary data.
2008 Victim/Offender Situations (national):
Single victim/single offender 48.9%
Single victim/unknown offender or offenders 29.8%
Single victim/multiple offenders 11.7%
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- Concerning the relationships (if known) of murder victims and offenders, 23.3 percent of victims were slain by family members, 22.0 percent were murdered by strangers, and 54.7 percent were killed by acquaintances (neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.).
- Among female victims for whom relationships with their offenders were known, 34.7 percent were murdered by their husbands or boyfriends.
Murder: Relationship of victim to offender.
(Total murder victims 14,180)
Husband 119
Wife 577
Mother 117
Father 120
Son 270
Daughter 211
Brother 98
Sister 15
Other family 314
Acquaintance 3,068
Friend 504
Boyfriend 145
Girlfriend 492
Neighbor 106
Employee 5
Employer 9
Stranger 1,742
Unknown 6,268
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- Concerning the known circumstances surrounding murders, 42.0 percent of victims were murdered during arguments (including romantic triangles) in 2008. Felony circumstances (rape, robbery, burglary, etc.) accounted for 22.9 percent of murders. Circumstances were unknown for 35.3 percent of reported homicides.
Murders in connection with other felonies:
Rape 23
Robbery 924
Burglary 87
Larceny-theft 16
Motor vehicle theft 19
Arson 26
Prostitution and commercialized vice 7
Other sex offenses 11
Narcotic drug laws 501
Gambling 10
Othernot specified 477
Suspected felony type 104
Other than felony type total: 6,975
Romantic triangle 104
Child killed by babysitter 51
Brawl due to influence of alcohol 125
Brawl due to influence of narcotics 68
Argument over money or property 192
Other arguments 3,558
Gangland killings 133
Juvenile gang killings 711
Institutional killings 15
Sniper attack 4
Othernot specified 2,014
Unknown 5,000
“Fish says: redhill: then I’m thinking that he is not one of the hunters on bass’s land. Maybe he knows of this specific area from trailing along?
Or no and just as a friend/relation livin’ nearby? Maybe he has worked on and off, in this area, depending on what service was needed .Do people just go out and explore with nothing said to them? Can one wander and never been seen? Just asking to understand.”
I highly doubt it is one of the four hunters at AF. 3 of the 4 I know of are good, hard-working older guys. Don’t know the 4th. Any of those guys could have placed MH so she would never have been found and attracted no suspicion in doing so. They would NOT have left her where they did. Whomever left her there, knows the property, has been there before but needed to get in and get out…quickly. Yes, it could certainly be someone that has hunted with one of these guys there before; someone that has poached/spotlighted on the property; or someone that has worked there fencing, cutting timber, spreading lime/fertilizer, getting up hay, multiple things that happen on a farm.
Most people would not venture out onto the farm without knowing a bit about the owners. You can still get shot at around some places or certainly encounter pissed off property owners. It’s certainly possible that a young resident of Blandemar would know the property and think they’re far enough removed from the Bass property and taken her body there. Gotta run…..
hello, lurked for a long time with nothing to add. heres my thinking. with a found body in not so good of a state, could the determination of brutally murdered be based on the account of a canary, with LE working furiously to collaborate the details of the song with as much physical evidence as possible , or maybe verbal collaboration, which would indicate more than just 2 participants. thank you. first concert= Rolling Stones, Omaha nebraska. “robust crowd” of 300. first concert for my daughter=Metallica. they had a room for parents to stay and wait for their children. don’t know if they do that anymore. anybody remember that?
food for thought:
there are many great minds here and most express themselves much more eloquently than i do…but, as i’ve said before…i like that and celebrate diversity.
it is important to note that there may be some blinkers who feel the sting of “blogpost critique” a might more acutely than others. the same wise man who told me helping save one life is as if you have helped save the world dropped another pearl of wisdom i consider on a daily basis. to embarrass someone is as if you have murdered their soul for a moment in time. you all have felt it…maybe it’s been a while…but that awful hard pit drop in the stomach when you realize that you are being held up to public ridicule. it’s a form of bullying which reflects badly upon the one holding him or herself above others.
personally, i don’t mind a tangle and one could argue that this public forum lends itself to public criticism, but that should never warrant a condescending attitude. humor can be a great device to ease potential sting, but ridicule is not cool. not cool at all.
this is not directed to any one blinker at all and if i am guilty, i will be the first to apologize. just wanted to say that.
this is a wonderful site with none of the “flaming” that i have witnessed on other sites. it’s nice to see folks capable of putting the arrest and capture of morgan’s killer above their egos. i admire you