Morgan Harrington Murder: Why Anchorage Farm?
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Charlottesville, VA– Morgan Harrington, 20 year old Virginia Tech Student found murdered on Anchorage Farm January 26 2010, was put there for a reason.
Image of Original Work By Nancy Bass
It was clear from Lt. Joe Rader’s press conference on February 4 that the location of Morgan’s remains is critical to the investigation, and to the identity of the individuals responsible.
Why Anchorage Farm?
David and Nancy Bass, owners of Anchorage Farm and the residential dwellings therein, own a boatload of land.
B O A T L O A D.
Mr. Bass, is also a longstanding member of the Albemarle County Zoning Appeals Board. In fact, he is the Chairman of the ACZAB since 2007, where he preceded this position at the Vice Chair since 2000.
Between 2005 and 2008, let’s agree there is a “run” on raw land in Albemarle County VA, in particular.
Like many families owning large tracts of land, there is always the dilemma of staying ahead of the zoning curve or preserving their land while paying taxes only on the residence.
Anchorage Farm, like almost 90% of surrounding vacant land, was registered in the Agricultural and Forrestal preservation program.
Location, Location, Location
The forced sale of Biscuit Run due to David Breeden’s original will was a disaster to its purchasers including Hometown crooner Dave Matthews.
A $46 Million dollar purchase from the Breeden family was recently bailed out by VDOT for under $10 Million.
There are lukewarm results to Blandemar Farms in its infancy.
The fresh sale of the first-of-its-kind development marrying land preservation and *ethereal* elite* estates* known as Bundoran Farms, Bass withdraws his 654 acre contribution to the Hardware District renewal.
Mr. and Mrs. Bass re-parceled and re-deeded their land in 2007. I have studied this tract closely; there is no doubt in my mind this land was being prepped for development with exactly the right easements for “right of way” purposes in place.
Nearly every other landowner was now in the 10 year plan with the possibility of not just one, but two significant luxury development projects on the horizon while their land is restricted from development of a “more intense use.”
Translation:
Holy Sh*t, my land could be “not subject to further subdivision” and worth half of what it is now in 10 years. Gulp.
Morgan’s remains were found in parcel 41a.
Which would coincide with the 4 and 1 parts of her families creed o; I choose to take comfort in that.
Keeping up with the Jonesbrights
As an example, let’s use the adjacent property tracts across Red Hill.
The Howell, Waybright, Napier and Hager Families own the largest preserved adjacent trac on Monacan, which from a plot perspective, you might argue is land-locked due to Mr. Bass ‘s re-zoning.
Now, before I get 300 posts asking if I am suggesting Morgan Harrington was murdered out of revenge of a land dispute; of course not.
I am simply saying it is possible that part of the motive of the persons responsible for Morgan’s death to place her on exactly the parcel she was, may have been a combination of comfort AND perceived payback.
I have personally worked with developers on a similar project and I have seen a man have his land value cut in half by not completing the planning process prior to new zoning amendments AFTER granting easements through it. Utter Nightmare.
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Suz says,
“I put those things together and say she indeed HH’d and ended up with a ride from a (known or unknown or slightly known) person or persons who end up killing her.”
In my opinion- Copley Street Bridge is too short a distance for such a coincidence to happen. Maybe if she was HH on rt 29 or Rt 1–but a person capable of rape and murder just happens to be on Copley Br. the same time a disoriented/intoxicated Morgan is HH? That is a jump–possible–but a very large jump.
Red Ranger suggesting a stalker following her from JPJ entrances across parking lots and eventually heads her off on bridge –more likely. Or BIB theory of a double back in their car–also more likely.
A note on Red Hill gate. It makes sense to me that VSP might be leaning toward information from cyclists b/c BG might have parked his car at this remote gate and possible forced/convinced MH into woods/party spot/ party barn, etc? Could a cyclist have remembered a car on the side of this remote road?
Just a thought.
PS. Skyler–hope u find your dog. My Jack is also a Border Collie–they love people and other peoples houses so I hope he’s safe!
Red Ranger, the ACC Campionship Game, which VT hopes to be a part of, is 12/04/10. The last regular season game is 11/27/10. If VT makes a bowl game, the football season could be extended into January, 2011.
To say my heart fell when you made your prediction is an understatement. Unfortunately, waiting til the end of the VT baseball season seems almost more than I can stand! I guess you’re telling us that from your point of view an arrest is not imminent.
I’ve wondered this for awhile, not that it matters, but what kind of phone did Morgan have? Sorry if been established, but I’ve tried to search for that info, and it’s been on my mind for some time and never ran across the info. Thanks!
Bluewillow,
Am I the only one who finds the Albemarle PD issue relative to Morgan’s case? What is going on over there??? I don’t want to discuss and fuel rumors, I’m counting on a higher authority to do an investigation, but if the rumors are true, how can we put our faith in that particular PD to be honest about the goings on (particularly Anchorage farm) in that community?
I just might add. Some of the best detectives make lousy husbands. I know one in particular that is the biggest cheat on the planet, but he has no fear when it comes to locking up big time, violent drug cartel members. He has helped take so many violent drug dealers off the street, he doesn’t think twice about threat to his safety for relatively low pay (you’d need to pay me millions to do his job.) Is cheating right? No. Cheats are liars. You have to wonder where does the lying end. Personally, I don’t think he’d be stupid enough to risk his job and the pension he has worked so hard for. But he loves women. All women. And just can’t help himself. I think it’s the testosterone.
Regarding “Blink” response March 5–5:04pm
Are you saying the VSP have all the answers they need, but not enough evidence to make their case against their suspected perp. Whatever the actual events were– the perp was clever enough to cover his tracks by establishing his “Story” with the random interaction he did have with Morgan that night. Innocent enough since “when he dropped her back at JPJ , she was alive and well”?? Perhaps DNA was found, but His story was consensual sex, so of course his DNA would be there, as well as other forensic evidence.
This would explain why it is taking VSP soooooo long to make an arrest. They need to break his familial alibi, or find something or someone to place him at the actual crime scene, because any forensic evidence can be explained away by his “seemingly innocent get-together” with Morgan that night. Reasonable??
One question- Have the VSP established the possibility Morgan was ejected from JPJ due to her conduct–behavior? Morgan was a beautiful girl, and I find it hard to believe she could not convince security to allow her back in if it was a simple misunderstanding of a No Re-admittance rule.
SusanM, thanks for blowing my mind, esp. if I was the one who posted a link to an article that said LE was looking for a WOMAN who loaned Morgan a cellphone..! (Might have been my post, but then sometimes folks attribute things to me that other folks said cuz it’s easy to get mixed up in the flurry of comments here—heck, I mix people up all the time myself. But thanks for the tip–I shall look for that article!)
But if that is true, then I would think someone told the cops, “Oh, I saw a blonde that might have been Morgan, and a woman was handing her a cellphone” or something like that? The parts about her friends calling for a ride—I guess that’s feasible, but they would have presumably told the police “We called Mongo to come get her” and then FBI and friends would be scrutinizing Mongo’s alibi, etc., just as if Morgan had called a friend herself for a ride.
Alexandra, I guess I can kind of get how the Harringtons wouldn’t immediately know whose car was at the concert. Morgan had told them (I think) someone else was driving (perhaps she had always meant literally that Dan C would be driving, and her folks assumed she meant someone else’s car was being driven—dunno), and the friends came home in a car without Morgan as opposed to being stranded, so there would be no reason to question the assumption about someone else driving. Add to that the outright shock of getting the call about your daughter’s purse, and then finding out that she’s in fact MISSING, and I can see how nailing down whose car was there could have not been a primary thought.
Hi all!
As a 20 year old from Virginia this case has hit me hard and i have been following this case from the beginning.
I would like to say, Blink, you have truly become an inspiration and i aspire to be like you one day. What you and your Blink Family does is amazing. I have come to feel like i know you all and believe you care about this beautiful woman.
Morgan has become an even bigger inspiration. I did not know her, but like you all i have grown to love this girl and feel like ive known her. We are all children of God and I believe this connection brings us closer and makes us feel this strong love for our angel. I am still in awe over the strength and support of her family. I think about her everyday and because of her i have made important changes in my life. I have currently changed my major to criminal justice, i feel like i have finally found my niche and passion in life. Also, she has given me to the strength to find God and my own strength in finding my sobriety. I have recently started rehab in order to fight my addiction. I wish i could have met Morgan and told her how much she has influenced me. She is our angel and i pray daily that her BG/s are brought to justice.
I would like to thank Blink and the Blink family for keeping the light of our angel, Morgan Harrington, alive.
God bless you all <3
Many thanks.
B
Fact or Fallacy?
Morgan/Morgan’s Dad purchased more than just those 4 tix.
acho -
sorry not to answer you sooner. i think we must’ve be in moderation at the same time with our last posts. anyway, i am in the middle of cross referencing documentation at this very moment. i will get back when i have records verifying the degree of familial relationship.
Red Ranger says:
Lt. Rader said that whoever left Morgan at AF was familiar with the geography. He has a reason for thinking so. He declined to tell, for whatever reason. Rumor has it that DNA, foreign to Morgan, was collected. There are many other rumors. Some will ultimately be true, some untrue.
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Are you a Charlottesville local? Curious as to the source of the rumor about foreign DNA being found. Is this just local word on the street… or do you believe it to be from a source “in the know”?
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’d sure be interested in hearing what “word on the street” is, the “beat” this case is taking on locally, and what some of the rumors floating around are- just don’t use names…lol.
Red Ranger, despite her upbringing, Morgan hung out with dirty, filthy hippies (with apologies to dirty, filthy hippies everywhere! I’m sure you’re very nice) at concert venues that involved days of camping (sometimes with creeps—I read lots of comments about crime and violence at that WV multi-day concert whose name I ferget (she was wearing a shirt from it in one photo—which makes me think she went). Anyway, from that—and dad’s comments that she was trusting or naive—and cuz some folks on here had testified that college kids hitch freely around campuses, I’m thinking that as much as we WISH she would not HH, because it’s dangerous, she may have HH and it was indeed so dangerous that she is now dead.
Also, one category of hitch hikers you mentioned are those with a buzz on, and according to official reports, Morgan fit that category that night.
ERGO, she might have been more open to hitching than we are all comfortable believing. Heck, maybe it was her very first time and she had incredibly bad luck.
PS I betcha’ Morgan was such a sweetheart that she WOULD share stew with bums under the bridge. I think she was a non-judgmental egalitarian (gawd, and as such she prolly hates that I have now said dirty filthy hippies three times in the same post—sorry again, hippies!) who was comfortable with all kinds of people. And she would have been a great adult.
SuzeeB — thanks so much for the post on CL about the dog — this is wild — I used to live 2 miles from the intersection of Belmont and Newby’s Bridge — I’m going to text — that is now about 70 miles from where I live now — but I’m going to contact them —
We have searched and searched all today — my son then went up to the little country store near our house and spoke to a police officer, who bummed a cig from my son — wild — but he asked him if he’d seen anything — he said, no, but that he felt if someone found a BC, they’d keep her : (
This is interesting — and sad — we saw a deer and a dog laying in a field on the side of the road — we surmised the dog was chasing the deer and they both were hit and whomever hit them, was decent enough to move them to the field — but 3 hours later when we were back to the area — the deer had big chunks taken out of it and the dog was moved at least 30 feet — it had to have been the turkey vulchers — makes me wonder if they could have moved Morgan –
I was hoping to come here and read an arrest had been made or at least a connection to Morgan and all these LE misbehaving —
I hate thinking this, but here in my rural county, I’ve seen several Sheriff vehicles being SUV/4-wheel drive — if this cop is parking near AF — my imagination is running wild —
J4M
Correction: sorry, Red Ranger—that was keekee’s categories of HH (buzz on). I got confooosed.
keekee, I guess acho and I are cut from the same cloth (acho! you and i would have gone to the bathroom separately, together! I too am a loner in that regard, and giggle at gals who are not).
keekee, the other thing is that we have seen conflicting reports about who kissed whom on the cheek before Morgan left her friends, and if I recall correctly, the last version I heard was pretty firm about a friend kissing MORGAN, and not vice versa. But the reporting on this whole saga has been so incredibly bad, who knows…
Marchmallow, thank you, yep, I am working from the same doc. Kee Kee, you would have to be working from something older to have a certain link, right?
Eloise, yep, that’s who I mean. Cool bikes, eh? Found that interesting given LE’s request, but could be totally coincidental.
Jim, that’s the thing—it’s only staggering if you ask yourself, what’s the probability that a psycho killer would be cruising by to pick up morgan at that moment in time? But assuming that that is exactly what happened, the probability doesn’t matter.
Let’s say I buy one lottery ticket on a whim and win a $240M jackpot. The probability is that I wouldn’t win, but the reality is, I DID. (once again—from my keyboard to God’s twitter, let it be so!)
Cuz i can tell you that my feeling is that i would have 100% chance of being picked up by a psycho killer if I hitch hiked, which is why I never have and never will.
The fact that Morgan is thought to be seen HH and is later found dead makes me think that that’s exactly what happened.
Do I think the perp was out looking for someone to murder or rape that night? No. I think he was cruising around bored and couldn’t believe his good luck when he saw a beautiful, inebriated/irrational damsel in distress who was separated from her friends and far from home. I think he just hoped to take advantage of her in some way and it just escalated into horrible violence that ended in her death.
But I’m just guessing, really, based on our incredibly limited facts.
Hi Ohiomom, I read somewhere that the testing required may take 6-9 months. Let’s go with 6. That puts us in the middle of baseball season. 9 puts us in the middle of football season. The arrest may come before then but it is coming. Some of this testing is very intricate and involved, way beyond just running a DNA sample or tox screen. So I may be willing to move my cheese to late Sept. I do feel your Hokies will be a three loss team but Beamer ball is alive and kicking so who knows?
Jim M- I don’t think a stalker followed her from the arena. I think she walked upon some bad guys and was blitzed. This is just an opinion. I am a huge fan of Occam’s razor and I don’t think those responsible for Morgan’s demise were ever science fair finalists.
Suz- She may have hung out with the DFH’s but I somehow get the feeling that Morgan was very in charge of her world and surroundings. I am just guessing but I bet she had a pretty good mental checklist for vetting those she spent quality time with. I also bet that if she got an inkling of a bad feeling about anyone, they moved out of her inner circle, with prejudice. I think she tended to seek out like minded people based on their music tastes, for her music friends. Human nature also tells me that most people here did a little slumming, for whatever reason, when they were young, 7 feet tall and bulletproof.
Total amateur- I am not a C’ville or even a Va local. I have read many hours from many blogs and news articles. I have watched any TV reports I can find, and have listened to Blink on the radio. as well as reading the thoughts of many here. Rumors are flying. This one seems to make sense based on an article I read saying they are doing DNA testing and tox screening. They have ID’ed Morgan so the months required for DNA testing seems to be for someone elses DNA. The Tox screens would be for her and possibly for any other hairs found.
I am with you though. I think local knowledge is invaluable. Locals know their area and the folks in it. Especially in rural areas.
I’m still here every day, always hoping to read of an arrest, but not yet.
keekee, I don’t find it at all strange that Morgan went to the bathroom alone. I’ve never asked a friend to accompany me to the restroom, always found it amusing that girls would go together.
Seems like several of us watched Last House on the Left the other night, and, yes, I immediately thought of Morgan, and if she went through something similar. Lord, I hope she didn’t…
I really don’t have any new theories, so haven’t been commenting, but I’m glad you guys are still at it. Is there any evidence that the close-to-AF RSO had something to do with Morgan’s demise, or is he on the radar due to coinkydink?
Hello, everybody! I now have finished creating the new FB group, CHANGE, which has been formed as a grass roots movement to change laws such to protect our women and children from continued assault by sex offenders.
Hoping you will check it out and join to support this cause. Your voice WILL make a difference.
The group is, CHANGE, and is on Facebook. See you there and bring your soapbox ’cause we have a lot things to say to politicians in Washington!
maybe i’m not being clear about the bathroom thing…in crowded arena concerts, especially if you are on the floor/in the pit…it’s been standard procedure in my experiences to have someone accompany a person who needs to find the bathroom and way back. it doesn’t mean someone goes in…it can be a guy who just waits outside. in a civilized setting with ticketed seats, and ushers…then that’s a different story all together. crowded venues where kids are squished up against the stage and rowdy high, take a friend…outdoor fests…same thing, huge drunken sports events…same thing (take a friend). restaurants, airports, and seated restaurant concerts where the bathroom area is visible…..no big deal and solo is fine. i agree about silliness of girls going in pairs to the bathroom and have visions of highschool teens giggling in mirrors while applying more gooey lip gloss, so no i did not mean like that. oh, and believe it or not, one of the most important places to have an escort to the bathroom is at a crowded house party. most people have no idea how often girls are assaulted in the bathroom in the middle of a drunken bash
Hi, all — I can’t remember everyone’s names, but really incredible posts in the last 48 hours –
As I’m watching Food Network and Bobby Flay is grating cheese, my cheese hasn’t
moved at all — Suz, you are correct — there is conflicting info on who the smoocher was — Amy’s sister, as reported in the Hook, says Amy kissed Morgan good-bye — which reinforces my theory —
I mean no disrespect to Morgan — but I think none of them knew about the no-re-entry policy — they wanted to get drugs and have a buzz for Metallica — Morgan was excited to see Metallica — she’d seen them in Bonaroo — I think Morgan had no money, the others did — I think the others pooled their money and nominated Morgan to go outside and buy drugs — **perhaps** they had prior knowledge of this guy — maybe had seen him in the parking lot while waiting to get in or knew him from before — around some of these prior music venues —
Morgan went out — successfully purchased drugs and then tried to get back in — she could not — called the friends — friends kept their butts planted in the seats Morgan’s father had purchased — pissed Morgan off — so she took the drugs in a kind of “screw you” attitude — Morgan starts walking over the Copeley Bridge headed somewhere — the weather was nasty and drug dealer and maybe drug dealer’s GF pull up and say to Morgan — listen, it’s wet and cold, come w/ us and we’ll bring you back after the concert — Morgan feels safe — gets in car and everythig goes bad from that point forward —
Why AF ? I have no idea —
I think once VSP took over the case, they began to find corruption and a bigger circle of crime — remember Kristan Fox, who ODs in Fluvanna County on NY’s Eve — there’s more to this than just Morgan — I believe there is a tangled web of families interwoven thruout all of this — somebody knows who killed Morgan — I believe there were “helpers” in the placement of her body on AF and the helpers are staying quiet because they don’t want to be charged as accessories —
I believe Blink is spot on when she says there is going to be a tie between big money/big family and not-so-big family.
I love C-vlle, so this is not a “diss” to C-vlle, but from the date Morgan went missing Kristan Fox Od’s, that poor boy was killed by police, Sheriff Willy ends his life, an historic house burns, police are charged —
J, we need to add another ” C ” to our game —
Coincidence, Clue or Connection –
J4M
I will say that my very first thought regarding Morgan’s disappearance was due to some lunatic coming upon her while roaming the JPJ arena & surrounding area. But coupled with Blink’s hints of a potentially known perp and being encouraged outside, and then VSP talking about locals & location, I think my cheese moved. Actually I think the police were of that opinion until they found her where she lay.
So besides the obvious fella that has many strikes against him already, I have been going back & trying to make that link to her & her musical interests. Maybe he (rso)knew the other people and met her for the first time that night. So I am still looking at the other activities that were going on on 10-17 and seeing what may link. Blink’s latest piece provided some overlap in names that are of interest.
There are so many avenues to go down when you have such limited facts and that is why we are all going round & round. But I think the ones that keep surfacing may be the clue. I don’t know.
Re counselor4you march 6 2010 @ 7:28 pm
I will join and support this cause.
Here is a link related to the cause re Chelsea King,
Justice for Morgan.
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/did-system-fail-slain-california-teen-chelsea-king/19385884?sms_ss=email
Just looked at all sorts of cold cases from the past two decades – lots of hitch hiking involved. It is not just opportunity – the bad guy could as well have snatched someone on her way home or the like, which would be equally difficult to trace back and completely random – it appears to be a trigger. The bad guy sees a beautiful girl who is willing to get into his car. It is her own free will, and he gets a kick from it.
Oh, and by the way, I don’t see why she should not have gone to the bathroom alone. Personally, I wouldn’t have asked anyone to accompany me.
Probability – would have been the same as Morgan crossing the streets and a driver not paying attention to the traffic lights. It happens. Even it the likelihood is one to a million, it is still possible, form a mathematical point of view. It was just very bad luck. And I don’t want to think how many potentially dangerous situations I survived!
Dara,
Congratulations to you, sweetie! Hang in there and be strong. I know you will make Morgan and B very proud. Just remember, never give up and life is too precious to waste.
HUGS!
I am re-posting suz’s 3/6, 6:05pm, post in its entirety because she states my own thoughts exactly:
“Jim, that’s the thing—it’s only staggering if you ask yourself, what’s the probability that a psycho killer would be cruising by to pick up morgan at that moment in time? But assuming that that is exactly what happened, the probability doesn’t matter.
Let’s say I buy one lottery ticket on a whim and win a $240M jackpot. The probability is that I wouldn’t win, but the reality is, I DID.
The fact that Morgan is thought to be seen HH and is later found dead makes me think that that’s exactly what happened.
Do I think the perp was out looking for someone to murder or rape that night? No. I think he was cruising around bored and couldn’t believe his good luck when he saw a beautiful, inebriated/irrational damsel in distress who was separated from her friends and far from home. I think he just hoped to take advantage of her in some way and it just escalated into horrible violence that ended in her death.”
Suz, FWIW, you describe above precisely what I believe happened; that is:
One perp;
Knowledgeable about the area, esp. AF.;
No original intent to murder;
Sees Morgan HH; thinks he might get lucky;
Offers her a ride on pretense; she accepts;
Somewhere between Copeley and AF the scenario takes a horrific turn;
BG dumps Morgan in what he hopes is a location remote enough that she won’t be found for some time;
BG is right;
But BG isn’t that smart;
People talk and DNA rules;
BG is going to be caught.
Hello counselor4you I tried searching for you site
typed in CHANGE at FaceBook and it did not come up.
Christy-
I am holding it while it is vetted, my bad, I should have let you know.
I do however, wish to credit you with the find that the housefire on Sutherland has NOT been “completed”, meaning it is still under investigation and an O P E N incident…. Nice Work
B
Red Ranger—in regards to the hitchhiking, I respect your unwillingness to believe something that was presented by LE. It’s a healthy practice to question what we are told.
I had a Chemistry instructor who for an entire week taught us false information (purposely). At the end of the week he gave us a test and although we answered the questions according to his lectures, we failed the test because we had based our answers on false information. His lesson to us was: question everything, even if it comes from someone in a position of authority.
I learned a tough lesson, so I understand your questioning the hitchhiking even though LE told us that is what they believe Morgan was doing. In this case though, I choose to accept what LE has told us.
I think there’s no question that Morgan was raised by exceptional parents. But even so this does not preclude her making an unsafe choice, regardless of how she was raised.
I was raised by conservative and cautious parents. I’m a college-educated professional. Yet when I was hiking in the Alps (many years ago) my friend and I chose to thumb a ride back down the mountain because we were exhausted. We were picked up by a hippie couple in a VW bus. As I rode in the back of the van I was thinking “Gee this is stupid and dangerous,” Two girls hitching, and in a foreign country to boot.
I think it’s very possible for Morgan to have hitched. We should be careful not to project our own standards, fears, values onto Morgan. We know she had a trusting soul, per her mom. Other than that, we cannot say what Morgan would or would not do in a certain situation.
Ultimately, I don’t think it makes a difference if she was hitchhiking or not. Someone took advantage of Morgan and killed her. Whether she willingly entered a stranger’s car or she was a victim of a blitz attack, either way somebody took her life. If we are willing to accept what LE has stated, then it might make it easier for us to focus on WHO might have done this evil thing.
Hate to go back here, but I wonder how or if DW’s account of seeing Morgan around 10pm or so trying to re-enter has any weight. According to the police timeline, Morgan stopped her attempts to re-enter the arena at around 9pm. Was he a whole hour off or did she go somewhere with a legitimate GG who brought her back to the arena around 10pm where she made one more attempt at re-entry? Wouldn’t this give the textee enough time to make it to the arena from a town that was 60 miles away? Or maybe this is when her friends get the impression that she will be meeting them in the parking lot after the concert lets out hence their lingering in the parking lot for 2 hours post concert? (Is this when she borrowed someone’s phone?)
Does anyone know if he really did talk to the police about what he saw? Has his account been confirmed w/Corrine Gellar? Just asking because we were all floored when we found out Kickee hadn’t followed up like he said he did.
Eloise (re: your 3/6 @ 3:04), all my little involuntary antennae– well, the hairs on the back of my neck, anyway– perked up when I read your “Dirty Horse” excerpt. Yeah, dance floor, “wicked sparkling unicorns,” “if you want what we have, don’t be shy” . . .the terms ring some bells, and the tone, too. I wanted to know more, so googled “Scintillation” on Facebook and found it’s a C’ville area troupe of guys and gals playin’ with fire. And who knows what all. Here’s the link, for curious BOCers: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Scintillation/149068450237
(and another)
http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=149068450237
Note their mid-October “show” in Crozet, connection with belly dance, presence of Christian Breeden (who now fronts “The Dirty Horse.”) I can definitely imagine an under-the-influence Morgan being taken with such a performance. Hmmm. . .wonder where they’ve rehearsed?
25.Teri says:
March 5, 2010 at 7:49 pm / 7:53 pm
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Hey, Teri, really good posts. i have some thoughts:
1. I believe the return of Morgan’s purse was to shore up the perp’s alibi he dropped her off @ JPJ
2. Gps monitoring is different than house arrest.
Skyler 7:42Pm March 6th
Excellent post.
Observer 9:09 PM March 6th, ditto.
BG is going to be caught!!
Toppa the eve-nin’ to you al!
Crikey – I have missed out on some great conversation… so allow me to insert myself:
First, to B, who noted:
“… let me take a second to remind you and everyone else that whether your the next Kojack or Barney Pfife all contributions are important.”
“Kojak” would be The Greatest. Moniker. Ever.
… Someone please use Kojak! I would sooo dig being like, “Kojak – I see what you’re saying but I don’t agree.” Or: “I heart you, Kojak.”
(In fact, maybe such a name would be a fresh start for a certain curmudgeonly, rather-gruff-and- righteous but genuinely-interested-in-the-case poster, who calls it as he skims it…)
juliemooley – re: Legislative Proclamation/Resolution honoring MH
(You asked:) “… did LE encourage the family to pressure their representative to propose this, as a way of publicly pressuring the N.Garden / C-ville relevant families to shake that bad apple out of their tree? Because I am thinking that these families think they are beyond the law and only public pressure will push them in another direction of thinking, or at least to turn on each other.”
j-moo, it’s actually a small part of one of my two professions to write these things – I’m finishing one up on Monday for a guy who saved a few kids from drowning; it’s pro-forma in government at all levels – a way to give back to individuals in the community… and do something positive (take that as you will). We call them “proclamations. “They’re often done at the behest of either someone/an organization in a region who wants to spotlight someone or something notable, and reaches out to his/her legislator’s office; or – more commonly – by the legislator him/herself or one of his/her staff members, who inform the family of the government entity’s intentions and ask the individual’s family, etc. for the personal info needed to flesh out the honor into an official document. It usually involves a press event.
(All) that said (sorry), I do not believe LE would work with a legislator/ure to facilitate the production of one of these things in order to pressure a small sect of the public. I see where such a thought springs from, but knowing exactly how procs work and what their aim is – to publicly honor an individual worthy of acclaim – I can assuredly say they are not used as manipulative tools wielded to benefit a criminal investigation.
suz, bluewillow -
(suz said:) “bluewillow, you are 100% right that there are lots of limitations to statistics and that the recidivism rate is like likely higher than the figures show since, as you pointed out, it depends on them getting caught again. I think we’re still not going to see 100% recidivism rate. Now, having said that, I am 100% in favor of mandatory tough sentencing guidelines for those who commit crimes against women or children.”
Unreported sex offenses and statistical limitations weighed in and adding say, 10 percent to the average SO recidivism rate, and more scientific studies still point to the rate being less than 50 percent than it not. In other words, despite a heavy media glare, statistically, more SOs do not re-offend than do.
Regardless, I am 100% with you, suz, on tougher sentencing laws. Aim that book right at his crotch, I say.
SuzeeB – re: This is what makes this site and the amazing family we’ve virtually formed here so worthy:
“Skyler- found this on craiglist. I dont know how long your dog has been missing or know where you live in Va but saw this with the pink collar. Here is link http://richmond.craigslist.org/laf/1614488527.html but in case link does not work”
Whether the pup you found online is skyler’s or not, I am so heartened by your effort – and that of everyone else here who has voiced concern for Lost Lexy. I am desperate to know if you actually re-connected them… (*clinks* for a year!)
suz -
(said:) “In my way of thinking, if LE knew for a fact that morgan used a strange phone, they’d know that based on someone she knows having gotten a call from her that night from a strange number, and in that case they’d know whose phone it was, and our perp would be wearing handcuffs by now. I think LE posed that question to the public because they were stumped—-like, ‘Huh. So she didn’t call or text anyone for a ride from her own phone. But she left the area.’”
We are so on the page, Homie*.
(*I’m bringin’ it back, Josie!)
Plus, 9:30 p.m. is awful early for a young woman on a bustling college campus rife with myriad parties and music events to lose all communication with the world for the rest of the night. I thought, at the time, (still do) that LE was stumped by the weak hand such a foggy case’s circumstances had dealt them, and was fishing for more witnesses with the aim of extending her timeline or generating a lead that would forward the case.
oh and suz, in re: Tammy’s March 6, 2010 at 10:56 am post:
Again – totes on the same notes.
keekee – re: It takes two to tango… but only one to pee.
(said:) “… and i still feel so strongly that morgan would never have gone to the bathroom by herself…i don’t care how impaired she was. this makes no sense to me no way no how. and…i also think she would not hitchhike. just do not see it”
The other option is that her friends are lying, and I do not think they are, in this instance, as I believe LE shook the truth out of them eventually. And, I join suz, acho, and others here in being on Team Go-Alone. I can’t claim to know what team MH was on in general, but believe the witness who saw her fall – as MH walked way from the dancing crowd and sharply faceplanted, having the words knocked right out of her as she parted with the female witness and another person who helped her to her feet, continuing to make her way (ostensibly) to the main/bathroom area in somewhat of a daze. (I’m still thinking a head injury may have played a role in the rest of her night – even if a minor one in the end).
Keep in mind, LOG was on, and everyone was dancing/rockin’ out – she probably inaudibly (due to the extreme loudness) whispered something to the effect of “I’m going to the bathroom” to AM and walked away – which was the last time they ever saw her. Why drag your buds to the bathroom with you (unless they just instinctively gaggle with you to the commode – while you seem to see MH one way, *I* can’t picture her tugging on her friends’ sleeves, asking them to come wait in line with her or stand outside the stall, when they were clearly into the show… unless they all needed to go in a stall together for something other than takin’ care of bodily bidness (and such illicit activity was not happening at that point, imo).
Plus, she was reportedly seen alone and crying in the bathroom, with a scrape on her chin from where she hit the concrete, which fits the witness account from minutes earlier (according to credible-sounding published details initially released-but-not-confirmed in the various media).
Oh, and keeks -
you noted:) “… there are also cousin parents in the house next door to burnt house.”
[There is a cliche-loving comedian in my head that soooo wanted to riff on this statement... but the better parts of my wit pulled rank. You're welcome.]
Lastly on the solo-vs.-group bathroom-trip tip –
(acho responded:) “FWIW, the 20-yr-old Acho absolutely would have gone to the bathroom alone at a concert. I do not think all girls that age are into the buddy system rule; I was not and I actually laughed at friends who insisted a girlfriend go with them to the bathroom. (I shudder to remember that …)”
ach, I think the 20-year-old-versions of suz and J2K would have been friends with the 20-year-old you.
keekee, another point I wanted to mention to you and others, as far as my opinion on the veracity of LE’s contention MH was seen on Copeley appearing to hitchhike:
We won’t know ’til we Know, of course, but with the way LE has utilized the press/public in attempting to cast wide nets for clues or leads – from the press-released pointed statements and questions sporadically made to the community throughout this case – it’s hard to fathom why they would purposely mislead the public in regard to her hitchhiking -it’s an incredibly important detail/pivot point for them… unless she has since been placed back in the lot and the info has not been made public).
If after dozens of interviews and tips investigators did *not* determine she was thumbing randomly at cars as she crossed the Copeley bridge, what would be the point of asserting she was?
Dara – re: your inspirational (and courageous) post (March 6, 2010 at 4:31 pm:
Thank you for sharing that with us; I am deeply moved.
suz -
*ding*
What is “Fact” (re: Morgan/Morgan’s Dad purchased more than just those 4 tix)
And I wrap this rambling conversation with the past up with one last *clink* to my grrrl, suz (we most definitely be cut from the cheez, sista) re: Would MH HH?
(suz said:) “Red Ranger, despite her upbringing, Morgan hung out with dirty, filthy hippies (with apologies to dirty, filthy hippies everywhere! I’m sure you’re)ery nice) at concert venues that involved days of camping (sometimes with creeps—I read lots of comments about crime and violence at that WV multi-day concert whose name I ferget (she was wearing a shirt from it in one photo—which makes me think she went). Anyway, from that—and dad’s comments that she was trusting or naive—and cuz some folks on here had testified that college kids hitch freely around campuses, I’m thinking that as much as we WISH she would not HH, because it’s dangerous, she may have HH and it was indeed so dangerous that she is now dead.”
(Excellent) point taken – and I’m not even talking about the dirty, filthy hippies.
She was 20; she was intoxicated and agitated; she was not making rational decisions; and the sum of these factors -coupled with multiple, independent witness accounts – points to the fact that she was actively attempting to solve her previously unanticipated dilemma of being shut out from the concert/fun, left outside alone in Cville – and tragically, in doing so, she made a poorly thought-out decision (but! one that should NOT have cost that beautiful girl her life).
Observer, in your post at 9:09 you start off by saying “One perp”, and near the end with “people talk”. Just curious, if there is just the one perp, who do you believe would be the people doing the talking?
Okay, acho and suz. since you brought it up, I too would go to the bathroom alone, depending on my mood. I’ll even take it a step further and admit that I would leave w/a friendly stranger(s) if that’s what I wanted to do. (Assuming I am a college kid in a college town) My friends knew that once I made up my mind to do something, there wasn’t anything they could do or say to stop me. And I didn’t have bad friends. If my friends and I had been in a similar situation I know that they would have offered to come outside and wait with me, (they wouldn’t have given me my car keys, however) but if I had other prospects like going to a party w/a group of friendly strangers in my peer group, I would have gone and told them not to worry. I think this is where people misunderstand Morgan’s friends. It is very common for college aged kids to meet up, hook up, get in cars and stay the night with friendly strangers. (and not check in with their friends until the next morning). Morgan and her friends likely engaged in these types of behaviors at one time or another. In their eyes there likely wasn’t anything different about Oct. 17th. Morgan probably gave them enough reassurance and information regarding whom she was going with that they didn’t feel like they needed to worry. We’ve never been told what their reaction was when she told them she would find a ride home or “something else to do”. They could have been outraged for all we know, although I suspect she received a “be careful” and an “I’ll talk to you later” at the end of the conversation.
BTW, when you look at the above scenario/behavior from a parent’s point of view, I agree it is horrifying. Hard to comprehend even. I would NEVER do these types of things at this point in my life and I shudder to even think about my children doing these types of things. My advice at this point in my life would likely be akin to Blink’s and others here. At the same time however, I can understand some of the decisions that were made the night of Oct. 17th because my friends and I likely made many of the same decisions.
One more point and then I’ll shut up because I’m afraid that my posts result in eyerolls they are always so long. (I’ts okay, I can’t help myself) As others have aptly said, I too think that Morgan’s friends have a long road ahead of them as they learn to cope with the magnitude of Morgan’s murder. I don’t think that they will fully understand how huge the loss is until they themselves have moved on with their own lives, gotten married and started having families of their own. Right now they’re sad for themselves; they miss their friend. When they finally realize how great of a loss Morgan’s murder was -for Morgan-, they will finally be able to mourn for her and the life that was stolen from her. This realization coupled with their indirect involvement in the events that unfolded that night will be the hardest part to work through, IMO.
acho –
been wallowing in the gene pool…cousins are distant but true with a few marriages between names since late 1800s. the family of burnt house has been in north garden prolly since it got its name. family reunions even include at least one af family name from the past. the pool of common family names is not as large as one would think because of the overlap on maternal and paternal sides.
33.Phyl says:
March 5, 2010 at 9:51 pm
New Details Concerning Albemarle Police
Posted: Mar 05, 2010 3:15 PM EST
Updated: Mar 05, 2010 3:19 PM EST
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=12091709
I was able to confirm through Corrine Geller, VSP, that this activity has NOTHING to do with Morgan’s case.
Good catch though Phyl- it was a good question to ask.
B
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Really?
Yes. Really. That is the official word from the VSP. I have to go with what I am told.
B
skyler,check the animal hospitals ,thats where i found my cat once,someone found her and dropped at the closest vet office.i hope you find her.
6.Ragdoll says:
March 6, 2010 at 1:21 am
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Wow, thanks, darlin’! I’m not the investigative genius like so many others here. I play it closer to the gut and Occam’s razor. Yeah, occasionaly I see/feel things that I’m compelled to speak about. I so do appreciate the kind words!!!
@total ameteur – re:my comments on the house fire. I don’t have facts, other than timing, location, and some familial ties of interest to me. I don’t believe in coincidences as a rule either…
38.palerider says:
March 6, 2010 at 11:00 pm
33.Phyl says:
March 5, 2010 at 9:51 pm
New Details Concerning Albemarle Police
Posted: Mar 05, 2010 3:15 PM EST
Updated: Mar 05, 2010 3:19 PM EST
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=12091709
I was able to confirm through Corrine Geller, VSP, that this activity has NOTHING to do with Morgan’s case.
Good catch though Phyl- it was a good question to ask.
B
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Really?
Yes. Really. That is the official word from the VSP. I have to go with what I am told.
B
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Oh, I wasn’t questioning you. I was just hmmmming out loud. No offense intended.
Well, poo. Hummingbird, not sure why you’re having such difficulty finding the group,
Here’s the link to the FB group, CHANGE, in it’s infancy as of today. Crossing my fingers.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&ref=ts&gid=350594827889
RE: 31.Just Desserts says:
March 6, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Thank you for linking for me, I have been actively deleating my posts when I try & go back & forth. I figured if anyone thought it was worthwhile they would ask. LOL!
I agree CB is creepy and I don’t know that it has anything to do with anything, but Morgan seems to have had some mutual interests. You kno he played 10-17 right?
Unless she was grabbed right away, I would think she had an active plan as to continue the fun for the remainder of the evening.
And as an aside, I love(d) company in the ladies room, but often I was visiting more frequently than others so that meant traveling alone.
30.keekee says:
March 6, 2010 at 11:04 am
it may well be prep vs. perp…or prep as perp.
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I think prep is accurate…
ya, thankee j2k for not taking it further than kissing cousins
and i have my feelings about morgan’s actions that make sense to me. whatever witness accounts le has about hitchhiking, well…they could either be mistaken or…deliberate
good gawd people….i hear you loud and clear about the dang bathroom, already. promise you i am not a namby pamby goody 2 shoes expecting morgan to hold hands with her cheek smoochin gal pals. if she was supposed to come back to her ticketed seat, fine. tango 2 pee 1. good gosh.
I completely agree with Observer’s comments, shown below, except I don’t think Morgan was hitchhiking. I do, however, think someone offered her a ride.
From Observer’s post;
“One perp;
Knowledgeable about the area, esp. AF.;
No original intent to murder;
Sees Morgan HH; thinks he might get lucky;
Offers her a ride on pretense; she accepts;
Somewhere between Copeley and AF the scenario takes a horrific turn;
BG dumps Morgan in what he hopes is a location remote enough that she won’t be found for some time;
BG is right;
But BG isn’t that smart;
People talk and DNA rules;
BG is going to be caught.”
With respect to the washroom scenerio, when my friends and I were Morgan’s age, we always went to the washroom in pairs. There was no particular reason – it was just “girl code” – it was just something we did, always.
I don’t think the primary reason Morgan left her friends was to go to the washroom and I don’t think she went outside to buy drugs. I can’t shake the belief that she was lured outside, however, in that scenerio, I feel there would be more than one BG involved and I still haven’t moved my cheese away from one BG acting alone.
It would be less difficult to reach possible conclusions if the personalities, behaviors, social networking habits, etc of Morgan, her friends and possible POI’s were known as well as the connections everyone has to one another.
I’m still wondering if “M Duane H” is related to “EMH” – anyone know?
Thanks Kee Kee, I’m still muddled on linking the affianced, real estate, happy, photog guy, but I am glad you went back to everything and confirmed! I appreciate it; I know it makes the eyes cross.
This is O/T of figuring out anything:
Glad I was not the only loner-to-the-potty girl. Now, how do we teach our daughters to behave the opposite of that, yet assert their independence and trust in themselves? (Rhetorical, don’t answer.) Yoshi, like yours, my friends knew there was no stopping me. I always was the first to be “done” with an evening and want my own bed. To avoid scenes and attention, I sometimes slipped out and left, no goodbyes.
So, as much as I want to judge those friends, far be it from me …
Sorry to go O/T. I remember I was the one who suggested we stop talking about the friends.
I say this as compassionately as possible, the friends will never have a pass from me for one reason:
They left JPJ without knowing their friend was safe.
They had an obligation. Does that make them responsible ?
No.
It makes them shitty friends and she deserved better.
I say that with no malice, just a message to anyone out there considering a similar situation.
It is my belief that Morgan was alive during the timeframe they made such decisions. I do not know how to get past that.
B
42.susanm says:
March 6, 2010 at 12:21 pm
palerider,yeah ,hard to watch,my insides were shaking,i watched til the end for morgan,and actually they redesigned it for a postive ending(says the film maker’s)and cast paxton for her intelligence.did you catch the dialogue when the doctor asks the gang what they are doing in the area,paraphrasing: “my father used to bring me fishing here”,the exact wording in his “feelings” for the area creeped me out,it matched the fbi profile for anchoragefarm.
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YES, YES, and YES!
I have another thought that relates to the friends. I believe the friends have told LE everything. I think the reason they lawyered up was because, in order to tell LE everything, they had to disclose some information that they felt may get them into trouble.
For intance, say the friends smoked a joint at the concert – no big deal – until they think about confiding that fact to a member of LE. Obviously, in the context of this case, LE couldn’t care less, however, the friends (friend’s parents more likely) would have wanted to be sure that disclosing all facts of the evening would not result in the friends getting into trouble for any completely unrelated illegal activity that they took part in that night.
@duannahincville (post # 35): I agree with everything you added to my previous thoughts. There was a previous post that indicated bad guy would have damaged fences while taking Morgan to the “perfect spot”, but in some of the photos posted on this forum, there was a gate with just a hook for a lock. It would be very easy to just simply get out, open the gate, close the gate behind you and drive to the “parking spot”. As a matter of fact, in my younger days, my boyfriend and me (now my husband) frequented a very similar parking spot. We really did not know the owner of the property, but we knew the area well, knew there was no houses close by, and knew were would not be disturbed. I still think with a four wheel drive, there is a very real possibility the bad guy could just drive to the dump site. To clarify some of my earlier thoughts, I think its possible she knew the perp, made arrangements either directly or thought a friend to have him pick her up on the bridge,(after she was denied re-entry to the arena). I think she seen him coming and stuck her thumb out to playfully hitch a ride. I have more thoughts on plans to meet back with the friends after the concert, but I think my post is already too long!