Morgan Harrington Murder: Why Anchorage Farm?
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Charlottesville, VA– Morgan Harrington, 20 year old Virginia Tech Student found murdered on Anchorage Farm January 26 2010, was put there for a reason.
Image of Original Work By Nancy Bass
It was clear from Lt. Joe Rader’s press conference on February 4 that the location of Morgan’s remains is critical to the investigation, and to the identity of the individuals responsible.
Why Anchorage Farm?
David and Nancy Bass, owners of Anchorage Farm and the residential dwellings therein, own a boatload of land.
B O A T L O A D.
Mr. Bass, is also a longstanding member of the Albemarle County Zoning Appeals Board. In fact, he is the Chairman of the ACZAB since 2007, where he preceded this position at the Vice Chair since 2000.
Between 2005 and 2008, let’s agree there is a “run” on raw land in Albemarle County VA, in particular.
Like many families owning large tracts of land, there is always the dilemma of staying ahead of the zoning curve or preserving their land while paying taxes only on the residence.
Anchorage Farm, like almost 90% of surrounding vacant land, was registered in the Agricultural and Forrestal preservation program.
Location, Location, Location
The forced sale of Biscuit Run due to David Breeden’s original will was a disaster to its purchasers including Hometown crooner Dave Matthews.
A $46 Million dollar purchase from the Breeden family was recently bailed out by VDOT for under $10 Million.
There are lukewarm results to Blandemar Farms in its infancy.
The fresh sale of the first-of-its-kind development marrying land preservation and *ethereal* elite* estates* known as Bundoran Farms, Bass withdraws his 654 acre contribution to the Hardware District renewal.
Mr. and Mrs. Bass re-parceled and re-deeded their land in 2007. I have studied this tract closely; there is no doubt in my mind this land was being prepped for development with exactly the right easements for “right of way” purposes in place.
Nearly every other landowner was now in the 10 year plan with the possibility of not just one, but two significant luxury development projects on the horizon while their land is restricted from development of a “more intense use.”
Translation:
Holy Sh*t, my land could be “not subject to further subdivision” and worth half of what it is now in 10 years. Gulp.
Morgan’s remains were found in parcel 41a.
Which would coincide with the 4 and 1 parts of her families creed o; I choose to take comfort in that.
Keeping up with the Jonesbrights
As an example, let’s use the adjacent property tracts across Red Hill.
The Howell, Waybright, Napier and Hager Families own the largest preserved adjacent trac on Monacan, which from a plot perspective, you might argue is land-locked due to Mr. Bass ‘s re-zoning.
Now, before I get 300 posts asking if I am suggesting Morgan Harrington was murdered out of revenge of a land dispute; of course not.
I am simply saying it is possible that part of the motive of the persons responsible for Morgan’s death to place her on exactly the parcel she was, may have been a combination of comfort AND perceived payback.
I have personally worked with developers on a similar project and I have seen a man have his land value cut in half by not completing the planning process prior to new zoning amendments AFTER granting easements through it. Utter Nightmare.
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TO: ross: You asked: “Observer, in your post at 9:09 you start off by saying “One perp”, and near the end with “people talk”. Just curious, if there is just the one perp, who do you believe would be the people doing the talking?”
One perp.
Other people who know or suspect this perp.
re: J2K says: March 6, 2010 at 10:35 pm:
suz -*ding* What is “Fact” (re: Morgan/Morgan’s Dad purchased more than just those 4 tix).
Actually that is fiction. Dr. Harrington answered he only purchased 4 tickets.
http://www.findmorgan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1945
Per Morgans Dad on the FM forum:
(1/21/10@6:15 pm) Answers provided by Dr. Harrington.
I am Joe Shmo public, arm chair detective, and I would like to have the answers to these simple questions by Lt. Radar:
1. How many tickets were purchased by Dan Harrington for the concert? 4
2. Did Amy Melvin go back to JMU with Sarah Snead and Dan C on Oct 17th? Yes
3. Did Dan C actually attend the concert on Oct 17th? Yes
4. Did Morgan actually get to Charlottesville on Oct 17th or did she stay behind in Harrisonburg? Yes
“I do not believe Mr. Bass had any prior knowledge of Morgan’s remains location when he checked that field.
I do think there were things going on that prompted a perimeter check that even he may not be able to articulate as to the reason he felt the need to in the first place.B”
Total: I too, do not think that Mr. Bass knew what was going on. But I do think that he got wind of someone sittin’ and enjoyn’ himself on his dime. He went out to check fences and never did he think that he would come upon anything. He was checking that his land and his family was safe. Remember he has a daughter living on her own, down the road.
*Maybe he saw the video posted on ‘youtube’ and really did not care for it.
He was worried about this, the weather and his family and any repercussions he might encounter. Maybe Mr. Bass said “get out and stay out” and I couldn’t blame him in the least.
B: Was the Bass land to be included in the search by CUE?
Or just the general area of 29 south?
Could he have just been worried that his fences would be down due to the heavy storms before they got there?
just some thoughts of mine.
Plus, after driving yet again to and fro from Cville today with family. I agree with Sky. There is no way that someone just happened upon this area. It comes up fast and put it in darkness and it’s rainy and wet out. Slippery road conditions. He just knew where to go. It was very familiar to him.
O/T: My family sends all their best to you Blink and my fab friends on your site. They sometimes have tears well-up in their eyes talking about Morgan. Too many memories, I guess.
suz, ross –
I may have copied that “question” from suz – wrong – I meant “fallacy/fiction,” I guess. Or rather: It’s a *fact* that he bought four tickets… I think is what I was trying to answer. Regardless of my self-confusing interpretation, I have never heard anything other than MH’s dad bought *four* tickets – one for MH, SS, AM, and an additional attendee (who ended up being DC).
suz – what was your interest in the number of tix DH purchased?
To clarify my references,instead of @duannahincville (post # 35) I should have said @duannahincville 3/16 at 11:50 AM. in response to my previous post on 3/16 at 12:07 am and 2:36 AM. I feel like a dog with a bone
but I think we’re on the same page.
I also agree with Suz who wrote the following:
One perp;
Knowledgeable about the area, esp. AF.;
No original intent to murder;
Sees Morgan HH; thinks he might get lucky;
Offers her a ride on pretense; she accepts;
Somewhere between Copeley and AF the scenario takes a horrific turn;
BG dumps Morgan in what he hopes is a location remote enough that she won’t be found for some time;
BG is right;
But BG isn’t that smart;
People talk and DNA rules;
BG is going to be caught.
**I agree with most of what Suz said, except I still feel she may have known the bad guy (even if remotely) and agreed to meet him on the bridge (possibly to avoid all the traffic around the arena) to hang out until the concert was over. I think he may have taken her to the remote area to hang out to drink/drugs etc. to wait for concert to end. He may have made sexual advances which Morgan did not go along with, situation escalated.
Mom3.0
March 6, 2010 at 12:58 am
Does this go back to her friend on FB saying that her phone was still ringing and going to voicemail the next morning?
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I remember bringing that up and reading what her friend said on FB. I thought it wierd that it was still going to voicemail until Mon. I know if I take out my battery to my phone it will not ring. It will just go straight to voice mail.
j2k, I was just posting my FACT or FALLACY? question about the number of tix in response to a poster who wondered if any of the unused tickets were used (or something along those lines). It seemed more fun and expedient than looking for the info that Ross so helpfully posted above.
Anyway, you are all winners in tonight’s game and have won lovely Popeil Pocket Detective kits…!
curious – re: further clarification
Just an FYI – that summation of thoughts on the case was Observer’s list, following her spotlight of suz’s post, which underscores her basic theory of the dynamics surrounding MH’s murder.
As far as your feeling that she agreed to meet the BG on the bridge, I have believing that because there does not appear to be any trace of communication from or to MH establishing the connection you’re proposing.
B -
My Goblet is waiting for a top-off of information on MH phone’s timeline…
I hesitate to post off context, but in the interest of biscuit barrage (can’t have that), I would say that the VSP believes the phone battery fell out, will not say when that occurred, but that the last call made from the phone, TO HER Friends was at 8:48 PM. What I always felt was the 9:30 PM dead stop time may not be.
That said, it is my opinion since they seemed to have backed off the “Did Morgan use or borrow a phone” they have since answered that question, and are not sharing it.
B
Still catching up on reading and thought about something regarding the possibility that Morgan used someone else’s phone.
If Morgan used someone else’s phone to call her friends (or anyone else), perhaps the number wouldn’t have shown at the receiving end because the number on the phone Morgan was using had a privacy block on it.
I’m in Canada, use a Motorola phone and Fido is my service provider. I have the option of privacy blocking my number if I don’t want my cell phone number to appear on the phone of the person I am calling.
Red Ranger, you could be right that Morgan was sensible and had a good radar on her to pick out weirdos or those dangerous to her. But I have to go with her folks have said about her—-here’s one quote:
Her parents, Gil and Dan Harrington, described Morgan as a “wonderful person.”
“She’s really very a sweet person, kind of an innocent individual who probably is quite trusting,” Dan Harrington said.
KeeKee made an excellent point quite some time ago with respect to what may have happened if Morgan was offered a ride by the BG(s). KeeKee, please correct me if I get this wrong (your comment is too many pages back for me to find).
KeeKee suggested the BG could have told Morgan (once she was in the car and really had no choice), “I just have to make a quick stop at…” (could be AF to “look in on my neighbor’s house while they are away”, etc. And, when they arrive, Morgan learns of the true motives of the BG and she is now in the middle of nowhere with nobody around
I hate this scenerio, it makes me feel sad and angry at the same time.
This is my last comment today
There’s been some questions about the number of tickets purchased vs. the number of people attending, etc. I also remember some talk early on about Morgan advertising a ticket for sale on Craigslist. If that is the case, is it possible Morgan sold the ticket on Craigslist and went outside to meet the person who was buying it from her?
Mosaic- Post 29 03-06 9:33 pm
I have never heard or read where LE said Morgan was hitching on the Copely Rd. bridge. I read that a girl matching Morgan’s description was seen hitching. This is not near the same as LE saying they are confirming Morgan was hitching.
I tend to believe the things the VSP releases as fact to be just that. They have to pass their own test in court later and will not release wrong information that a defense attorney will use as ammo.
#40 Palerider
I’m the same way too! I think a lot on here are, which is a great reason to add your input! Welcome to BOC friend! (hug)
19.counselor4u says:
March 6, 2010 at 7:28 pm
WTG friend! All it takes is a drop in the ocean to charge the movement of change. I wish more would get involved and push for tougher laws against violence. What makes me sad is quite often it takes people like Dr. and Mrs. Harrington who’ve experienced a horrific tragedy to get the ball rolling.
This affects us all. We need to take these bottom feeders from a rooster to a hen with one shot. No one else should suffer or perish again.
Phyl says:
March 6, 2010 at 3:58 pm
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Phyl, you are not the only one. Let me just say it makes me “apprehensive.” Particularly after reading about the Eppard case. Yes, on the one hand a kid who steals a cop car and goes joy riding and taunting the cops is asking for it, but on the other, the secrecy about how he actually died is disquieting. The pictures of the police car and the accounts given do not seem to add up. There seems to be a history of secrecy and lack of oversight in this dept. It makes me nervous about all the secrecy involved with MH’s case, the degree of which, to me, has seemed unusual unless they have a very good idea of who the BG is.
Blink – You said:
“I say this as compassionately as possible, the friends will never have a pass from me for one reason:
They left JPJ without knowing their friend was safe.
They had an obligation. Does that make them responsible ?
No.
It makes them shitty friends and she deserved better.
I say that with no malice, just a message to anyone out there considering a similar situation.
It is my belief that Morgan was alive during the timeframe they made such decisions. I do not know how to get past that.
B”
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Some of my questions regarding the friends start with the supposition that they stayed in the parking lot after the concert for HOURS = waiting for her return.
Do we know if that is even true? That would be easy enough to verify by checking phone pings.
If true – then the conversation they had with Morgan was NOT “I’ll find a ride home” – it was more of “I’ll go hang around Charlottesville and meet you back here after the concert.”
If it isn’t true and they went right back home – then they had NO reason to be fearful of her fate. They knew who she would be hooking up with. And, if that is the case – then they fgured she was safe with him.
I do agree that their behavior was not well thought out. They shouldn’t have let her leave alone. But, I’m sure all were incapacitated to an extent – and none of them were making rational decisions.
The behavior of the friends that shakes me the most is their behavior after Morgan’s disappearance. I’ve never been quite able to get past that one. Because no matter WHAT they knew upfront…the fact is – NOW their friend is missing. And, they KNEW that wasn’t something Morgan would do (just run off).
Whatever it is the friends do know has been thoroughly vetted by the VSP by now. And, their movements have been tracked by their cell phones. The police know what they know.
The friends, however, will have to live with their actions or…inaction – for the rest of their lives. At their young ages…I’m not sure the magnitude of this occurance has actually sunk in for them.
But, as the years go by…it will. And, the knowledge will be a heavy weight that will be forever hung around lives. And, for that…I don’t envy them.
yoshi says:
March 6, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Or maybe this is when her friends get the impression that she will be meeting them in the parking lot after the concert lets out hence their lingering in the parking lot for 2 hours post concert? (Is this when she borrowed someone’s phone?)
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Whether the friends actually waited around for Morgan is a big question mark for me. It would be interesting to know if DG, from NJ, noticed whether Morgan’s car was still parked beside of his when he left the concert. If not, we could be almost certain the friends didn’t wait around. If the car was still there, it could just mean they left after he did, or, maybe he noticed the three friends sitting in the car. I’ve never seen any statement from him, other than the news interview, but it would be nice to know if those questions were asked.
Also, Blink – you said:
“It is my belief that Morgan was alive during the timeframe they made such decisions. I do not know how to get past that.”
So – in light of that, I have a question: Weren’t the Harringtons notified VERY early on Sunday morning of the purse finding….around 8:30ish a.m.? Which would mean that purse was likely found HOURS earlier. Which would mean – IF the bad guy returned the purse to the lot – than Morgan would have had to have been deceased by then.
Where I’m going with this is the waiting of the friends in the parking lot. If they truly waiting for HOURS after the let out of the concert – AND the BG returned the purse to the lot – there is a chance the friends would have been in the lot during the return of the purse.
And, I would think they would have noticed that car – because they were LOOKING for a car to be bringing back their friend.
The timing on so many of events that night in unclear.
Also – regarding the cell phone and the potential of it NOT powering down at 9:30? THAT changes EVERYTHING.
Blink – when will you be able to share what you know about the phone?
Justiceformorgan says:
March 6, 2010 at 11:51 pm
For intance, say the friends smoked a joint at the concert – no big deal – until they think about confiding that fact to a member of LE.
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Been thinking a lot about Morgan’s reasons for leaving the arena, and all the theories brought forth and how they factor in. Try as I might, I can’t get over believing that she simply felt sick, and thought she could go out for air and get back in. If they had an alcohol buzz, then smoked weed before entering the concert, I can easily see how she might have gotten the “spins”, and needed to make a hasty exit. That might also explain the kiss… “Sorry you’re feeling bad, be careful, we’ll see you when you get back.” One of the first accounts I read of the evening, the friends said she was feeling sick. That just makes the most sense to me, remembering being 20 and doing the same thing.
I think my cheese is:
-Morgan dropped her purse…when? That I don’t know (more could develop regarding the cell phone power down point/and pings)…but I don’t think it was returned via the BG.
-The friends? They may have waited a little bit – but I don’t think they waited for hours. I think they left shortly after the concert let out. They were not fearful of her whereabouts.
Skyler, praying you find your dog today. Her being missing is breaking my heart.
I have been wracking (sp?) my brain about the phone thing.
Did Morgan make another call before it being disabled or powering down?
Did someone grab it and purse from her during a fight (gramma siteing)?
Did he take it as he walked away from Morgan and then she follows to get it back?
Just because it powers down at 9:30p.m., it does not mean another call has not been made, trying later.
Does not mean that Morgan did not have it with her. The purse wasn’t found until the next morning. We do not know when Morgan dropped it or it was placed there.
Maybe she managed to get another call off but because of spotting reception, it was lost. But it was recorded on statement. Would VSP tell us this? I am thinking that Dr. Harrington released her records pretty quickly, to VSP. I believe the phone in his name.
They know who tried to call her and the friends who didn’t try and who she called.
I believe that Morgan was not taken by who she called but rather by someone that was specifically in that arena area. This guy had his eye on her and saw what her situation was. He capitalized on the fact that he was in her friend periphery. Giving her reassurance to get into his car. I also believe that he needed to be back to this area because of his friend periphery. Two people who needed to be accountable for, in two different places and for two very different reasons. (the assaulter and the helper, who became assaulter)
Does this make sense to anyone?
Remember we are only going on a timeline of last known sightings, phone call received or sent. BTW, I’m still not happy with that confusion. And what has been provided by the VSP timeline. And, since there has been no further info released, It is a work in progress.
I wish that I and all of us, were on a need to know basis!!
I need to know!
Does anyone have that YOUTUBE video where two blondes at bottom of stairwell and one kisses one on cheek and disappears off into the darkness? I have seen this and have asked, and have searched.
Am I losing it?
“yes, fish you are!”
(hubby & all his wisdom, sitting here next to me)
MsLaL: Dan Gardner stated that he saw three get back into Morgan’s car and Morgan was not with them. Some reading material:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11369010
@ J2K March 6, 2010 at 10:35 pm
“She was 20; she was intoxicated and agitated; she was not making rational decisions; and the sum of these factors -coupled with multiple, independent witness accounts – points to the fact that she was actively attempting to solve her previously unanticipated dilemma of being shut out from the concert/fun, left outside alone in Cville – and tragically, in doing so, she made a poorly thought-out decision (but! one that should NOT have cost that beautiful girl her life).”
I totally agree. She was hitch hiking (LE doesn’t provide any incorrect information, they just withhold parts of the story). In my view, she wanted to get home, not to a party. So she got into a car with someone who offered to take her to the bus station/train station/next town/home.
She wasn’t thinking straight, so it didn’t occur to her to go to a cafe or call her family, or ask her friends to pass her the keys. The dilemma was that she was locked out, and she tried to resolve the situation by trying to go home, which is what she would have done later together with her friends.
A friend of mine has complex medical issues, and she gets disoriented once in a while. I have to watch out for signs of this happening, which can be quite tricky. Morgan’s behaviour on that night just looks exactly like that. Certain cognitive functions still work, but they are reduced to a minimum: she made a decision that made sense to her (can’t get back in, so go home), but not to anybody else.
b: If when, the VSP were searching on side of 64, 250, 29; I cannot remember which section of roadway it would have been and what day it was.
They were heading in the right direction, weren’t they?
Could it be that they found one of Morgan’s boots?
They would not release it to public, right?
I have refrained thus far from commenting too much on the friends because I don’t think that they had a direct hand in Morgan’s death. However, with that said, I will say this.
– First off, girls of that age and even grown women, when out somewhere or at a party, typically do not go to the bathroom alone, always go in at least pairs. It is a known fact. Just the way us females are.
– Secondly, these girls are supposed to be darn near life long friends. Especially in women, BFF’s, if you will, are usually inseperable.
Now, I would love to know if Sara and Amy’s cell phone records show countless calls after the concert was over to Morgan’s phone. If looking for their best friend Morgan, and not knowing where she was, then there should be numerous calls, texts, whatever to her phone.
UNLESS….she wasn’t going to the bathroom and UNLESS they knew she was with someone that they thought could be trusted and that’s why they weren’t worried about anything.
Lastly, I don’t get the Haloween party pics. Yes, these are young women in college, I know, I was there once too. BUT, their best friend and roomate is missing, after going to a concert with her 2 hours away that her dad bought their tickets for in Morgan’s car that they drove him in, without Morgan, after the concert. I don’t care how young or inmature you are, that would weight to heavy on your heart and soul and it would be on your mind all the time. That and Sara’s “off” demeanor during the interview at the search are two things I cannot wrap my head around.
Did Morgan attend the Crozet Music Festival earlier in October?
Christy-
I am holding it while it is vetted, my bad, I should have let you know.
I do however, wish to credit you with the find that the housefire on Sutherland has NOT been “completed”, meaning it is still under investigation and an O P E N incident…. Nice Work
B
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Interesting to say the least. Where can one find this info? Is there an article or report with it? If just an accidental house fire- the cause should have been able to be determined almost immediately.
Well there are 2 considerations. One would be the Fire Marshall and the other would be the insurance adjustor.
I know the owners requested and received a reassesment due to the damage already. I would say that an open report from January 26th of a 3 alarm fire that caused that level of damage needs a definite “cause”..
B
When pondering whether Morgan meeting up with / leaving with her killer was pre-arranged or random I feel strongly that it was random. Anyone who came and picked her up as a result of Morgan calling them would likely assume that one or more of Morgan’s friends knew who Morgan was calling. If that is the case then whoever picked her up would be unlikely to believe he / they could get away with her murder. That just wouldn’t be a reasonable risk.
Random, on the other hand, combined with the missing cel Phone battery would create a situation where the killer would feel 100% anonymous, and comfortable doing what he did. This doesn’t exclude the possibility that Morgan was familiar with the person, only that the meeting was pre-arranged.
Weird…a couple of weeks ago, there was a facebook page for the Crozet Music Festival. This was when I started having my pc problems. I seen a post on there from someone who said that they were hoping that the location would narrow down the suspects in Mogran’s case, then added hoping NOT. It was from a female poster. I tried to copy and paste it here with the link but everytime I tried, my computer kept locking up. Ended up being my motherboard – it was still under warranty, so I had to send it in for repair. Now, when I go back to find it again to post here, I can no longer find a facebook page for the Crozet Music Festival. The only thing I can find is a facebook page for a band that played at the Crozet Music Festival, which isn’t the same page. The one I found was for the Crozet Music Festival itself.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Crozet-Music-Fest/94973049921
B
MsLAL says:
March 7, 2010 at 9:47 am
I too believe it is possible that Morgan may have ended up because she was feeling sick. I’ve had the “I need air” feeling a couple of times myself, usually accompanied by an “over-heating” feeling. I got the feeling once when I was pregnant and my husband and I were in a restaurant, it was in the middle of winter, and I just got up and went outside, no coat or anything, and just stood there a couple of minutes and then felt better. Another time, it was from having a little too much to drink and not eating good before drinking. So, I too feel that is a possibility. I also believe she was seen sick in the bathroom before leaving the arena, which does lend support to this theory.
I’m a she-dropped-or-forgot-the-purse grrrl from way back. Still am, cuz (as I have forgotten to include in recent recaps) she is thought to be seen dropping her purse several times as she makes her way through the parking lot. That’s why my Morgan is the irrational/inebriated/sick-feeling Morgan (and I think the latter is an important addition, because otherwise we could have a jolly drunken Morgan ready to party) who maybe wouldn’t have otherwise HH’d but, finding herself without her purse and phone, felt an even more desperate need to get home.
As for the friends waiting or not, yes, that’s a mystery, but I’m sure LE knows that, and know what was said in the 8:48 phone call.
Blink—so MORGAN is the one who called her friends at 8:48, and not vice versa? I think that’s the opposite of what we originally thought, and it does make them sound a bit less caring than if they had called her to say “Hey, where are you? Are you ok?”
BLINK – Thank you!! And, below is the post I was referring to:
Dawn Woodrum Hopefully the seclusion of the spot she was found narrows down the possibilities of suspects. I think they probably thought the remoteness would work in their favor. I’m hoping NOT.
January 28 at 4:44pm
Virginia State Police searched a 2-mile stretch of Interstate 64 in Albemarle County this morning for evidence in the disappearance of Virginia Tech student Morgan Dana Harrington.
About a dozen troopers spent a couple of hours searching along a median between mile markers 112 and 114, said state police spokeswoman Corinne Geller. The troopers were not acting on a specific tip, and their search turned up nothing useful to the case.
Harrington disappeared Oct. 17 after she was separated from friends while attending a Metallica concert at the University of Virginia’s John Paul Jones Arena. Someone matching Harrington’s description was spotted hitchhiking that evening along a bridge near the arena.
The stretch of I-64 searched by troopers today is just west of Charlottesville.
“We wanted to go back and recanvass that area,“ Geller said.
Authorities have received about 600 leads in the case.
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/crime/article/police_search_i-64_in_harrington_case/50071/
Judy is this the comment you were referring to?
Hopefully the seclusion of the spot she was found narrows down the possibilities of suspects. I think they probably thought the remoteness would work in their favor. I’m hoping NOT.
January 28 at 7:44pm by Dawn Woodrum
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Crozet-Music-Fest/94973049921
About the friends and waiting – At one point I read a statement from Amy Melvin’s sister Amanda (before she, too, stopped talking) that the friends were very surprised when the concert let out and the car was still there. This has always really puzzled me. Is it true? Did they really think Morgan had the keys or another set of keys? Did Morgan think she had keys? Did she tell the friends to find another way home, then discover she couldn’t get in her car? Or was this just something the friends or Amanda made up so the friends wouldn’t look so bad?
From Skyler’s timeline it could have taken the friends 45 minutes or more to get to the car. What happened next? Who knows? Were they surprised that Morgan wasn’t there? What was really said in that last phone conversation? Who called whom? Who kissed whom?
About the bathroom – letting a friend who doesn’t feel well go to the bathroom by herself in a crowded venue is practically unheard of. It’s really hard to believe that happened.
There still seems to be a lot of concern over Morgan going to the washroom by herself. For me this is a non-issue for 2 reasons. First, it has been established that Morgan had been drinking, which leads to the probability that her friends were also drinking. While sober women would accompany each other through crowded venues for safety reasons, their judgement was likely impaired. For the same reason, the fact that they did not phone her right away when she didn’t show up back at her seat is probably more to do with their being inebriated and not being aware of the time passed, or it occurring to them that something might be wrong.
The second reason the washroom solo does not seem strange to me is that there were 3 girls. If one had accompanied her, it would have left one alone at the seats, so in my opinion it would be a choice between one goes alone or they all go. Even if they usually used the buddy system, this may have been an unusual situation because there were only 3 of them there.
I hesitate to post off context, but in the interest of biscuit barrage (can’t have that), I would say that the VSP believes the phone battery fell out, will not say when that occurred, but that the last call made from the phone, TO HER Friends was at 8:48 PM. What I always felt was the 9:30 PM dead stop time may not be.
That said, it is my opinion since they seemed to have backed off the “Did Morgan use or borrow a phone” they have since answered that question, and are not sharing it.
B
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Perhaps Morgan tried to make a frantic call when she knew she was in trouble, or after the initial attack- and the perp(s) knocked the phone from her hand and the battery went flying. Maybe the perp could not find it after… so it would still be at the primary crime scene.
“Did Morgan use or borrow a phone”- There are only two reasons to ask this question:
1.)If someone Morgan knows recieved a call or text from a strange number. Ofcourse, LE would have traced the origin of that number, and perhaps were giving that person an opportunity to come forward.
2.)A blanket question to try and find out if Morgan called/texted an unknown person from someone else’s phone.
Hopefully, if Morgan’s phone did not power down at 9:30, there are a couple of pings to help determine what direction she was headed. Perhaps this is the reason for the searches in certain areas along the roadways.
Judi, when you reread that comment from the female poster, do you think she was actually saying “The perps thought the remoteness would work in their favor, but I am hoping it will NOT”?
I have been struck lately by what a waste this all is. I’m not talking about our efforts here. I am talking about a waste of life, of potential, of future. And I don’t mean just for Morgan. Just as Morgan’s parents brought their new baby girl home from the hospital filled with love and hope and dreams for her, the BGs parents brought their baby home from the hospital with those same kinds of hopes and dreams. Both families are now suffering a loss. Loss of hopes and dreams and all that could have been. Should have been. It is all just so senseless. Of course the losses are different, though, because the Harrington’s have their daughter in a cigar box, while the person who did this’ parents can still hug and touch him. Morgan’s parents no longer have that opportunity. Both Morgan and this person should be living carefree lives with the people who love them. Instead, life will never be the same for either family. Both families will carry the pain from this for the rest of their lives.
But what I hope guilty party’s parents will realize, is that this will happen again. He will do this again. And unless they act, another family will have to suffer this same loss of hopes and dreams. That same pain at losing their dear child. The only way to keep someone else from going through this is to make sure he is never in a position to hurt someone like this again. That he is locked away and unable to hurt anyone else, for his own good as well. By contacting the police and telling them what they know, they can stop anyone else from having to go through this same pain as a result of their son’s actions. I am sure that when they brought that precious little baby home from the hospital, they never dreamed he would grow up to do something like this. But he did. And he will again. And another family will have to go through this pain. Unless someone puts a stop to it.
All of this waste has got to stop.
I underscore your point ten-fold. This person (s) are dangerous and I dare say their parents already know it.
I am speaking to the family:
Sometimes it’s just a bad seed.
It does not have to be a reflection on your family.
However, since I am convinced you are aware of it, you need to understand that people are mature enough in 2010 to not judge an entire families legacy by the one that is capable of such atrocity.
Consider that it only breeds the possibility that one could be hiding a much larger secret which I cannot even fathom.
He has caused you insurmountable pain and embarrassment.
You may be clinging to what you believe is the truth he told you, as he has done before. You already know what I am telling you and you need to listen to what your family is telling you. How has believing his lies served you in the past?
You also know there is nobody left to keep your secrets, that’s all gone.
I promise you this is not going away as you have been able to control in the past.
What makes you think that your very tommorrow is not the day they seige upon your driveway for all the world to see and your plan to control events has turned your family into pariahs?
It’s Over.
Blink:
I have been bouncin’ around your other cases and now see why you have been so busy. Sorry for my barrage of video and cell phone questions.
I am sure that we all will see soon enough and I’m stayin’ on this page.
BTW:
Not smelt but “bluegill” variety and
I always try not to stink (ha ha ha)
clinkedy, clink, blink!
Well there are 2 considerations. One would be the Fire Marshall and the other would be the insurance adjustor.
I know the owners requested and received a reassesment due to the damage already. I would say that an open report from January 26th of a 3 alarm fire that caused that level of damage needs a definite “cause”..
B
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Would the insurance company need an “official” cause determination before issuing payment on a claim? Would they send their own investigator to verify a claim and/or cause?
Still don’t understand the relevance of the bathroom issue. Had she been of sound mind, there is absolutely nothing her friends could/should have been afraid of. What is going to happen to her on her way? The worst I can imagine is her getting caught in a fight by accident or her wallet being stolen. None of these would have been prevented by one of her female friends accompanying her.
The point is – she was not of sound mind. Her friends believed she was fine, and that was it. It is actually very difficult to spot whether someone is disoriented (speaking from experience here). At first, her actions could have made sense (“need the bathroom”), and there was no reason for the friends to question that.
Even if – hypothetically – she had a couple of beers and smoked some pot, it would not have caused her to act as she did on the night, so that again there would not have been any reason not to let her go to the bathroom alone.
The point they should have interfered is when she gave them a call saying she was going to hitch hike home. This is what was *not* all right, and it suggested seriously impaired judgment. This was just not a realistic plan, in any possible respect.
Good morning,all –i don’t know what the heck is wrong w/ me this AM — i believed Morgan was dead from the first week she was missing — they found her body — we are awaiting arrest — so when i read the first posts here today i just started bawling for no apparent reason —
I am so tired of all this evil — I will admit i was ‘blissfully’ unaware of the number of young people who are taken and murdered every year — of course i knew about the “in your face” cases — Natalie Holloway — Caylee — but no idea of the numbers of sexual assaults, etc.
My shift key is sticking — sorry — but i am seriously researching on how to form a non-profit organization whose main focus is changing Va’s law and targeting the legislature — one day i hope it will span to all states —
Even a falling-down drunk, stoned out of your mind, wearing a miniskirt hiked up to your ass and your left boob hanging out girl needs to be able to walk down a dark street at any time of night and not be abducted, molested and/or murdered. Especially if her murderer is a convicted SO —
i don’t know who did this to morgan — but i pray LE does and that they are working extremely hard to ensure their investigation doesn’t break any laws protecting the ‘accused’ so that the prosecution sticks —
for people cruising this site for the first time, please don’t blame Blink that an arrest hasn’t been made — i do believe she has inside sources who may be as surprised and frustrated as any of us that the evidence is taking so long — but they have to do it correctly —
please everyone stay and leave your opinion or thoughts — morgan needs all the friends she can get — every post is important —
i don’t have anything else to add — i believe morgan left jpj to buy drugs — w/ the full knowledge and financial support of the friends — she scored and then was unable to get back inside — i think the persons she purchased the drugs from are the persons who took her and are complicit in her murder —
What is beyond comprehension to me — there’s a parent out there who suspects or even knows their kid is involved — and are covering this up. My son lied to me on Friday — said he was working, and instead he took my car, and my money and went to the movies and out to pizza — i refused to cover it up or hide it — i called him out on it — I’m not a perfect parent — but kids make mistakes — to not walk in truth is the worse thing you can do to your child, i believe — the truth does set you free —
I pray those friends have told the truth to LE — i pray they are getting counseling — not just psychological counseling, but some spiritual counseling to understand the universe is larger than just their personal biosphere —
Rock on, BOC — keep these ideas and theories flowing —
Going to get fliers made for my dog — thank you all for your kind thoughts — seeing her sweet little face on these fliers is breaking my heart, too ; (
This may have been mentioned somewhere, but, what about an accidental death. I know Blink said she knows it was a brutal murder, so I guess aspiration of vomit would be eliminated …. unless maybe that happened first and the BG just began beating her. It just bothers me that the police cannot give a cause of death – or maybe they are just not saying – but with aspiration there would be no way to tell at the time of discovery. I just get hung up with LE saying homicide but then saying they cannot determine the cause. Or, they do know but aren’t saying. Sorry – this post is prolly total confusion….. back to catching up.
Judi says:
March 7, 2010 at 11:43 am
Judi I think this is the page you were looking at when your computer went:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Crozet-Music-Fest/94973049921?ref=sgm
Dawn Woodrum
Hopefully the seclusion of the spot she was found narrows down the possibilities of suspects. I think they probably thought the remoteness would work in their favor. I’m hoping NOT.
January 28 at 7:44pm · Report
Hi All.
These questions are to anyone out there reading this who lives in the Charlottesville area and who may have a gut feeling that someone they know may be involved in this tragedy.
On October 16th, 2009 or shortly before, did this person undergo a stressor of some sort like losing their job or business, or go through a breakup? Did he recently lose someone or get cut off from some kind of financial support? This stressor or stressors may have been what eventually led him to anchorage farm and may tie in to what Lt. Rader was referring to regarding a stressful situation.
And/or after October 17th, 2009 did this person start drinking or drugging more than usual or have a change in sleeping or eating habits, or a change in behavior that just seemed different to you? Have they been very interested in this case? Extremely agitated?
If you have a gut feeling and these signs were there, please do the right thing. He needs help. It will only get worse.