Morgan Harrington Murder: Why Anchorage Farm?
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Charlottesville, VA– Morgan Harrington, 20 year old Virginia Tech Student found murdered on Anchorage Farm January 26 2010, was put there for a reason.
Image of Original Work By Nancy Bass
It was clear from Lt. Joe Rader’s press conference on February 4 that the location of Morgan’s remains is critical to the investigation, and to the identity of the individuals responsible.
Why Anchorage Farm?
David and Nancy Bass, owners of Anchorage Farm and the residential dwellings therein, own a boatload of land.
B O A T L O A D.
Mr. Bass, is also a longstanding member of the Albemarle County Zoning Appeals Board. In fact, he is the Chairman of the ACZAB since 2007, where he preceded this position at the Vice Chair since 2000.
Between 2005 and 2008, let’s agree there is a “run” on raw land in Albemarle County VA, in particular.
Like many families owning large tracts of land, there is always the dilemma of staying ahead of the zoning curve or preserving their land while paying taxes only on the residence.
Anchorage Farm, like almost 90% of surrounding vacant land, was registered in the Agricultural and Forrestal preservation program.
Location, Location, Location
The forced sale of Biscuit Run due to David Breeden’s original will was a disaster to its purchasers including Hometown crooner Dave Matthews.
A $46 Million dollar purchase from the Breeden family was recently bailed out by VDOT for under $10 Million.
There are lukewarm results to Blandemar Farms in its infancy.
The fresh sale of the first-of-its-kind development marrying land preservation and *ethereal* elite* estates* known as Bundoran Farms, Bass withdraws his 654 acre contribution to the Hardware District renewal.
Mr. and Mrs. Bass re-parceled and re-deeded their land in 2007. I have studied this tract closely; there is no doubt in my mind this land was being prepped for development with exactly the right easements for “right of way” purposes in place.
Nearly every other landowner was now in the 10 year plan with the possibility of not just one, but two significant luxury development projects on the horizon while their land is restricted from development of a “more intense use.”
Translation:
Holy Sh*t, my land could be “not subject to further subdivision” and worth half of what it is now in 10 years. Gulp.
Morgan’s remains were found in parcel 41a.
Which would coincide with the 4 and 1 parts of her families creed o; I choose to take comfort in that.
Keeping up with the Jonesbrights
As an example, let’s use the adjacent property tracts across Red Hill.
The Howell, Waybright, Napier and Hager Families own the largest preserved adjacent trac on Monacan, which from a plot perspective, you might argue is land-locked due to Mr. Bass ‘s re-zoning.
Now, before I get 300 posts asking if I am suggesting Morgan Harrington was murdered out of revenge of a land dispute; of course not.
I am simply saying it is possible that part of the motive of the persons responsible for Morgan’s death to place her on exactly the parcel she was, may have been a combination of comfort AND perceived payback.
I have personally worked with developers on a similar project and I have seen a man have his land value cut in half by not completing the planning process prior to new zoning amendments AFTER granting easements through it. Utter Nightmare.
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to JusttheFacts, FWIW (and as an illustration of the potential for serious confusion and the tightrope we tread here), I don’t even think KeeKee was talking Breeden.
I dunno, KeeKee, maybe you should spell it out and source it in a private post to B, just so she at least knows what your page says and why. I would think it’s all handy, as you were just sifting through all your research for me the other night.
Judi says: March 8, 2010 at 10:45 am
Anyone have an ideas how we can start the “ball rolling” to start protecting our women and children from these RSO’s who are allowed to walk the street and assault again?
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I think you answered your own question. Quotes are mine…answer is yours.
Justthefacts, I don’t believe Keekee is talking about Mrs. E. Breeden of Biscuit Run, or any of the Breedens connected to that property. She’s talking about Mrs. Barbara White of the Sutherland property. Keekee, please correct me if I’m wrong.
Lol, she was not, but since you brought it up, the Sutherland Property was owned by the same trust that owned Anchorage Farm. That said, half that area was owned by the same handful of families so it proves nothing.
I am feeling like I really want to protect locals that are faced with the ugliness of what happened in their landscape.
B
good point, Cat. walk a mile in her shoes, as the old saying goes…. could be purely figurative.
Although I rarely post because I don’t really have anything of value to add, I still come here frequently hoping and praying that there has been an arrest. I’m not sure that you’ll want to post this but just trying to help in regards to this post from yesterday:
“justiceformorgan says:
March 8, 2010 at 2:52 am
total amateur,
re; “Morgan picked up on Copeley Bridge- LE has her last cell ping around mile marker 114 on rt 64 heading west (suggesting this due to the search of 64, mile markers 112-114). According to mapquest, marker 114 is the first turn off, Dick Woods Rd, to the direction of Sutherland (house fire), and to Anchorage Farm”.
I wonder where the cell phone towers are in relation to rt 64 and Monacan Trail Rd. For instance, if cell phone is in car on Monacan Trail Rd., would the closest cell tower be in the area of Rt 64?
The reason I say this is because, one thing common to Achorange Farm (A), one of our POI’s homes (B)(don’t know if he currently lives there however it is my understanding he grew up there and member(s) of his family still live there) and the house fire in the 3300 block of Sutherland Rd (D), is that they are all located directly off of Monacan Trail Rd which runs parallel to rt 64…”
There is a cell tower on the farm that is on the west side of 64 approaching exit 114 (the Ivy exit). Prior to this, cell phone coverage through that area was terrible.
http://listserv.bnsi.net/pipermail/eyesonivy/2003-November/000097.html
And just an interesting article on tensions regarding land development:
http://www.readthehook.com/Stories/2002/07/18/1coverStoryPoisonIvyIfYouB.html
Still praying for the Harrington family…
Concerned Mom:
There is also this: http://www.uvavictimsofrape.com/Why.htm
And these Sutherland Whites are connected to Wards and Houchens. The parent of one of the Raw Dawg band members (wf) is related to a Houchens from this same North Garden property. Again, keekee, please correct me if I’m wrong. I’m guessing that Blink has this information, but maybe you can spell it out here. Go ahead and give it a try. These are all just theories, anyway. I’m listening.
Christy S says:
March 8, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Blink, please repost this please and delete/do not publish my previous post as these links pasted work now. Thanks!
RE: Christy: That was an interesting post concerning guitarist Christian Breeden. So I found this link…
http://www.biscuitrun.com/ Christian Breeden is the son of David Breeden if I am correct..
M.H.=C.B.Band=Anchorage Farms Land CONNECTION? Worth some more digging, anyone? Again I’m reposting this link too.. http://cvilletomorrow.typepad.com/charlottesville_tomorrow_/biscuit_run_development
keekee’s not talking about Breedens, she’s talking about another name that so far has been held for comment each time it’s been brought up, as far as I know. It starts with an F and it’s big in real estate and construction. A member of a local band, that may or may not have played in Charlottesville on October 17th (depending on whether or not you trust The Hook’s or the C-ville’s archives) has a last name that starts with F. His family’s real estate firm used to list the unfinished 1920 Red Hill Road house, among others in Blandemar farm, but dropped them this year, and only lists acreage in that area now. I think keekee is referring to his cousin, whose last name starts with an H, who is one of the females who lived in the burnt-out house on Sutherland Road.
I’m not trying to speak for kee-kee. I just know that I’ve brought this name up before as well, and it typically is held for moderation. I think Blink has a strong case of fear-of-lawsuit-itis, and I don’t blame her, as a result of all of us throwing names around on the interwebs the way we like to do. Some of those names are exceedingly well-connected and have deep pockets for things like lawyers, and that money can also buy the time to drag a suit out in court forever and a day.
The problem is this county is huge in acreage but small in overlapping social circles, and genetic circles, for that matter. So it seems like each person links to about 30 others that could be in or around the Morgan/Anchorage/Music circles. And they’re less than six degrees separated from a slew of criminals and sex offenders. Yippee!
Hi. Catching up, lot of good info. I am suspicous of the house fire and CB – Morgan was a big music fan.
I have to comment about Telly Savalas…he grew up in Lynn, MA – where I grew up. Also, a woman I worked with dated him. I was totally floored when she told me that. How cool!!!
And, I now know I am spending too much time on the internet. Saturday I went to Dunkin Donuts to get an ice coffee and the girl that waited on me looked like Misty Croslin. Alot.
Keekee, I just wanted to say, I feel how hard you are researching and trying to find who killed Morgan. God bless you.
Blink, I appreciate your protection of the locals…if you’re looking at the families who are truly from this area we’re probably all related, or have worked for eachother at one time or another.
I am literally sitting on a slew of posts at the moment because of that exact reason.
B
JulieMooly says: It starts with an F and it’s big in real estate and construction. A member of a local band, that may or may not have played in Charlottesville on October 17th (depending on whether or not you trust The Hook’s or the C-ville’s archives) has a last name that starts with F. His family’s real estate firm used to list the unfinished 1920 Red Hill Road house, among others in Blandemar farm, but dropped them this year, and only lists acreage in that area now. I think keekee is referring to his cousin, whose last name starts with an H, who is one of the females who lived in the burnt-out house on Sutherland Road.
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Ah..thanks. I was wondering which RawDawger fit into this, if one did fit into this.
How do you know for certain they are cousins?
B
JulieMooly says: It starts with an F and it’s big in real estate and construction. A member of a local band, that may or may not have played in Charlottesville on October 17th (depending on whether or not you trust The Hook’s or the C-ville’s archives) has a last name that starts with F. His family’s real estate firm used to list the unfinished 1920 Red Hill Road house, among others in Blandemar farm, but dropped them this year, and only lists acreage in that area now. I think keekee is referring to his cousin, whose last name starts with an H, who is one of the females who lived in the burnt-out house on Sutherland Road.
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Ah..thanks. I was wondering how the RawDawgers fit into this, if they did fit into this.
And, I wonder if they sticking the tongue out thing is hereditary???
If Morgan’s clothes were recovered on the farm, maybe her boots were recovered elsewhere.
One is born naked and one could die naked.
Maybe what we are to gleen from Mrs. Harrington’s writing is that the clothes were found nearby or rolled into the tarp, she may have been in. Her boots were recovered elsewhere. The assault started inside of a vechicle on the way to AF. There were more than just one BG in that car! Thus the search on side of roadways. The boot(s) were found somewhere. But recovered non-the-less.
Suz: We have the difference of opinion. Yes, could be one lone BG but I am really thinking that there was not. For some odd reason, I hope that you are right and she did not suffer at the hands of multiple BGs. It would make it even sicker than it already is. Someone could have stopped the violence but chose to participate in it.
http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/234362
The above article can be misleading when talking about the clothing. Rader states that “significant items” were found. Please read this paragraph carefully. I’ll post this section.
“Rader declined to say why investigators are confident the body is Harrington’s, except to say “significant items” were found in the field. In addition to her black mini-skirt, Harrington had been wearing unique jewelry, black boots and a black T -shirt with the name of rock band Pantera across the front.”
The “in addition” just means she “Had been wearing”, these clothes, jewerly, boots, etc. It is misleading and confusing. I’ll wait for VSP to clear this up.
http://www.contempo-rarydiningsets.com/david-bass-describes-finding-body-that-is-likely-morgan-harrington/
Both of these articles never state that the clothes were found on her body maybe just nearby and what items we do not even know!
And B, FWIW, the only question I have about the fire-house is…Was someone sleepin’ on a couch that shouldn’t have been? Accidents sometimes happen for a reason but that does not mean they were intential or intentially set. That’s all I’m saying.
Philly J: Gonna be up in your neck of the woods, soon! I’ll give you a shout out when driving over the BF! Sky, Daughter want to send you a new pup! She is sad about your loss. She hopes you find her! Remind your son…we all countin’ on him and his good choices in life.
Rock on “SOaBlink”! (my strange moniker for you but given with luv!)
B: Timebomb = GPS, I hope and frequent PO visits!
Blink said: *One thing I have had trouble digesting myself, and it takes much practice, is that sometimes things are just a coincidence.*
Same here.
39.Observer says:
March 8, 2010 at 8:49 pm
Observer, BRAVO! This brings me much hope and thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge in an area most of us are not so educated on. You are a golden asset to BOC!!!!!
I live in western Canada. Right now, in Edmonton, we have a serial killer who’s prey is prostitutes. It’s been going on as far back as 25, perhaps longer. I don’t care how they make a living, the fact is, all women are vulnerable. Perhaps our members of legislature and parliament can impliment a law specifically aimed at violence against women. No one seems to be talking this seriously and most crimes go no further here than a slap on a wrist. The Canadian justice system is a complete joke, I am embarrassed to admit.
I appreciate your sharing and providing me with a valuable weapon. Something has to change here and yesterday is too late.
Blessings to all~
2*4*1*
alexandra, I wonder of there is some confusion about the car and the 11 days. I think it went something like this: morgan’s dad assumed a different car went to the concert, so it made perfect sense that her car was at the friends’ house in Hburgh or wherever. They drove her car to the Harrington’s house the day after the concert. Neither party prolly thought to explicitly say which car was being referred to when they said “we went to the car but she wasn’t there, so we drove home.” I don’t even think they were ommitting that fact; I think both may have assumed that they were talking about the same car, which is why Dan H kept insisting her car was not at the concert and had never left Hburgh. Eventually (11 days later?) he got the facts straightened out, and now believes the car went to the show.
someone please correct me if i’ve gotten this wrong…! it’s been awhile since we put the car mystery behind us.
Just dropping a thought … take a look at the Amber Dubois and Chelsea King cases over at Scared Monkeys. See the maps that show the PROXIMITY of the registered sex offender John Gardner to the abduction/crime/last-seen-at points on the map. He has been charged in Chelsea’s case, and IMO he is also responsible for Amber’s death.
I’m not saying young cheesy drawers is guilty by proximity alone. Of course not. But it is all about location, location, location. Let’s add in opportunity, predisposed to commit violent sex crimes, and convenience. Maybe just maybe the “obvious” choice is the right one here.
I believe a while back a poster here said “These animals don’t sh** where they eat.” I have to disagree with that. They will take the opportunity whenever and wherever it presents itself or in Gardner’s case they will MAKE the opportunity).
Blink, you wrote: “All I can tell you is that piece of information came from someone close to the Breeden’s (modern day) directly. If I have been misinformed, please accept my apologies and I stand corrected.
That said, the sentiment is exactly the same. An original will forced the sale of the property.
B ”
Did you contact the person close to the family, or did they, or someone else, make the initial contact to you?
Respectfully, why would that interest you?
B
I am just curious as to the motivations of the person(s) that would contact you, if it turns out that you did not initiate the contact, that’s all. Not that I would be privy to their inner motivations, but it would give me something to chew on.
That is a very fair question and also a very insightful one.
However, I never comment on a source, I hope you will understand. I take that commitment very seriously as if I did not, I would have no more sources
B
I can tell you that it was in David Breeden’s father’s will that the Biscuit Run property be sold for development upon David’s death. His father was at one time a developer in Northern Virginia, and he recognized the potential of this land south of Charlottesville for development. So when David died, his heirs were “forced” to sell according to the original will. The family is huge, the money is spread out, and I believe a lot of it was set aside for a foundation that gives to local organizations. This is a good family, but maybe you’d have to live here to believe it.
I’m not covering for anybody, because I really have no idea what happened the night of the 17th…I’m just vouching for a family.
Diogenes
“I’m going to tear the CIA into a thousand pieces and let
it scatter in the wind….”
JFK
GnM – I was just using the reference “Animals don’t sh** where they eat” to affirm the possibility that this person may not have been as directly related to AF as it would appear. An open mind is important in a case like this, especially when concrete facts have been lacking.
Two questions:
Has it been confirmed that the renters of the Sutherland fire were living in that house on October 17th, 2009?
Is the identity of the occupants at the time of the fire considered public record? If so, can we list the names please?
Can I add that I find it odd that the articles pertaining to the fire do not mention the names of who lived there or owns the building? I almost got the sense from the wording in one of them that the names were being “protected” or “withheld” for some reason. I don’t know about anywhere else, but around here if theres a fire, the newspaper states who’s residence it was and who lives there.
I LOVED Telly Savales. I think he was the sexiest man on the planet. When I was a little girl I used to watch tv with my father. He was a policeman and he always watched Kojak (that and Barney Miller.) Anyway, one Thanksgiving the whole family is sitting at the dinner table talking about their week and I shout out, “Uncle Mike, tell them about the time you got raped!!” I didn’t know better, I had heard the term “raped “ on Kojak and confused it with mugged. I think my Grandma swallowed her teeth. Even the turkey turned white. Kids hear a lot worse on tv nowadays. Looking back it was funny, but I didn’t think so then… anyway, back to Telly…….I just love him and that bald head….Who loves ya baby.
Blink responded:
“I find it very strange that although local coverage covered many fires, that the first article as back as 2003 that I could find, on a fire of that size and scale, or any fire, is the one that took place the evening a RSO status gets updated, and Morgan is found at dusk before the incident call is closed. Who left the Sutherland property to respond to Anchorage Farm?”
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Blink, is the reference to morgan being found at “dusk” a typo?
Dusk is just before sunset in the evening, to my knowledge Morgan was found sometime after 9:30 am on the morning of January 26th.
OMG, thank you. Did I mention my concussion? It is real people, and it blows.
Yes, dawn, my bad.
B
>>alexandra says:
March 9, 2010 at 9:12 am
suz, I was referring to the tickets. DC was a last minute stand in for his girlfriend , M. Nichols, I think. Very strange changes in plan. <<<
Well, maybe not — just suppose if5e
+ DC’s gf/ one of the nine / was “grounded” for poor grade performance — I know she’s in college, but if her grades were falling, the parents may have stepped in and said: you come home and study — no excuses, you cannot attend that concert — so she gives the golden ticket to her BF.
If this case is ever solved, I think the answers are going to turn out to be a lot simpler than we’ve given credit to the BG(s) —
I think the friends will turn out to be just self-centered little pissants who chose to keep their butts in their seats while poor Morgan is caught outside — I think the phone conversation w/ Morgan will turn out to be different than the alleged public one — I think Morgan voluntarily got into the car w/ the perp, and that their initial intention certainly wasn’t murder — that somehow things accelerated which led to Morgan’s death and her placement on AF.
Whoever put her there is familiar w/ AF — how and what their connection to the property is — I don’t know — but this wasn’t just a random dump site — even if access was from the first gate on Red Hill and they drove to that little enclosed pasture — if Morgan was already dead, they still would have had to take her body out of the vehicle, and hurl it over the fence, then climb or get thru the fence and place her wherever they put her — a dead body, even one that only weighs about 120 pounds — is just that — dead weight — and difficult to manuever — plus add in the weather and dark of night aspect –
it is just freaking bizarre !
LE just needs to start knocking on doors and flashing badges and saying: we’re here about Morgan Harrington and see who runs —
I do not believe there is going to be a quick arrest or an arrest any time soon — I have a terrible feeling this could even linger in the cold case files for many-a-year to come …
Obviously the 150 grand was never a motivating factor prior to finding her body, and as yet, hasn’t been a motivating factor post finding her body — someone out there values their freedom more than money …
I also hope I am wrong wrong wrong
I read that at least one of the occupants of the Sutherland fire was preparing to move- were they all moving? If so, why move in the middle of the college year?
fish, I am pretty sure I am alone with my lone assailant theory, but i’ve not had anyone give me compelling reasons for there to be more than 1 perp involved. Not saying it couldn’t be he case; of course it could. But so far I don’t see anything that REQUIRES more than 1 perp (and I do ask the board from time to time why we think more than 1 person did this). To me, multiple peeps make it more likely for someone to crack, so that would be good if you are right.
I don’t think it’s the cute young RSO, either. He’s too young for my profile. Mine’s mid thirties, early forties.
Blink asks:
“Who left the Sutherland property to respond to Anchorage Farm?”
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Why this question?
Were there Investigators involved in the Harrington case at the scene of the Sutherland fire? This would raise my eyebrows. Or, are you suggesting that someone involved in the crime “responded” to the Sutherland house AND to the scene at Anchorage Farm. Firefighters would not respond to AF, and I doubt even EMTs. Only Police Officers and Detectives would respond.
If you go to Myspace, and do a query of profiles, of those ages 18-22, male and female, who reside in North Garden, Virginia, you only get roughly 50 hits.
In sharp contrast to where I live, Arlington Virginia, where you would get literally thousands of hits based on similar parameters.
I didn’t realize North Garden was so small and insular. How hard would it be for LE–working through MySpace–to send out an Myspace email alert to all North Garden residents (focusing on the younger folks, who may not always be in tune with the news), asking them to come forward with tips?
How close a source can it really be if they didn’t even know that he was still alive when the sale occurred? People love to claim acquaintances as friends whenever there’s juicy gossip to discuss.
LOL, well, now that we’ve prolly named or investigated or hinted at every well known family name in Cville, I think we’ve got our perp in there—somewhere!
On the other hand, maybe we should SUBTRACT all the well known names and whomever is left—a weirdo loner outsider with no family ties—is our man.
Javier, I think the fact that it IS so small and insular means that news spreads really, really quickly. The hillbilly network is old school, but effective…!
Morgan disappeared almost 4 months ago, she was found 1.5 months ago. I serioulsly expected an arrest by now. They have to have some DNA results back by now, even if not all, and certainly an RSO’s DNA would be on file. I googled how long it takes and this is what I found……
“It takes four weeks to receive results for standard DNA testing. In some instances, such as when DNA testing is relevant to a high-profile courtroom case, it can take two to three days to receive results. Factors affecting turn-around time include complexity of the evidence and backlog at the lab where the DNA will be tested.”
So, do they have nothing? No DNA, no match? I am beginniing to think that there is no arrest in sight.
Ragdoll, I’m sorry to hear you don’t like the Canadian justice system. I think one thing you guys do that is so enlightened is to give people the ability to have offenses drop off of their records if they stay out of trouble for X many years.
Our records are permanent, so we don’t give our ex-cons much hope of redeeming themselves.
That, and having bad guys make restitution to their victims. I think that’s very cool, if you still do both those things.
Was Morgan known to be clumsy? My fiance, god love her, is one of the clumsiest human beings I have ever seen. She constantly drops things, knocks over drinks, and even will occasional fall over backwards in a chair. If she were to go to a concert, have a couple beers and slip on some steps, it would not surprise me one bit. To take that even further, boxers who are knocked out easily are commonly referred to as having a “glass jaw”. The jaw is a golden target for boxers, because there are nerves behind the jaw, that when compressed by a blow to the jaw bone, can knock you out cold. As now Blink herself can attest to. (I hope you’re feeling better, Blink…be more careful!) I could see where Morgan left to go to the bathroom, decided to take a couple of “good” pictures from an elevated spot like a stairwell, and slip(the couple who reportedly saw this). If she hit just right, she could have easily been disoriented for a few minutes(the scraped chin). It may have been just enough to make her wander outside to clear her head. A concussion mixed with some alcohol could have given her the appearance of being “wobbly” and even cause her to drop her purse a couple times.
Through a less than desirable instance, I now believe Morgan very well may have just wanted to get the eff outside away from the noise and collect herself, to find out she could not re enter. But I would like to see the cell records.
B
Thanks, I checked out your link, and had further questions…
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Crozet-Music-Fest/94973049921#!/photo.php?pid=3936872&id=94973049921&fbid=190293154921
Is this pic from the 17th or 18th and can the girl on the bench facing the stage be identified? thanks.
LE should also have people report in if they had attended the concert via buying a craigslist ticket. That could be a way to harvest more clues.
I have not heard anything back on whether the craigslist ad was hers or not (Blink delete this section if you are aware of any blackouts on this info. because I am not getting the word to hush from LE) However, it could have been her ad, and it was placed the same day of the concert. We still are not sure if it is her cell # and I am not calling it. I think this could help direct some of the people searching cell pings and such if they knew she may have had random people calling her from the ad. and/or from the ticket sale (If it is her listing) If someone knows her cell #, please email me and I could verify this right now. Thanks
Javier, Maybe LE wouldn’t mind if you helped out by doing that yourself. That would be a productive thing we could all do here, maybe follow up and let us know what they say.
To Javier re: your comment about North Garden’s smallness and insularity; the Anchorage/Blandemar neighborhood has a Charlottesville postal designation, as does much of the surrounding area. So to contact all persons nearby would require a list that included many more than just North Garden addressees. The neighborhood might also include people with Batesville, Ivy, Schuyler, and Faber addresses too.
The countryside of Albemarle county south of Charlottesville, while still retaining its rural character, is populated by a mix of people; newcomers, oldtimers, rich aristocracy, poor rednecks, horsey types, college and young working renters, soccer mom families, yankee retirees, etc. To assume that this a closed community where everybody knows everybody’s business is just wrong. Location might be the wrong emphasis here; finding boots, camera, and necklace, or clues from body recovery site, or, most likely, somebody talking will bring the answer.
Concerned Mom: From one concerned mom to another . . . Thank you for the link to the article about the secrecy of sexual assaults on campuses – I’m going to print it out and give to my 17 year old who is currently at UVa. I remember sitting in the orientation for parents at UVA and listening to Patricia Lampkin, VP for Student Affairs berating parents for being “helicopter parents” and kist becoming very steamed at the very idea of the audacious presumption that she should tell parents how to behave. She encouraged us (repeatedly) to “let go” and let our kids ‘work it out.’ She implied that doing any more for out kids would stunt their social and emotional growth. That flies in the face of what I’ve since learned through my awareness of Morgan and posts at BOC. I found it an irresponsible position then and especially today. This reenforces my thinking that parents still need to support and communicate – especially with their daughters who are newly on their own.
So I have a question to any and all . . . is a student REQUIRED to report a sexual assault to the campus police or campus officials? Or could that student go to city or county police first and avoid the “honor code” shroud of silence?
TIA,
Dolce
suz: We are beginning to agree on the age thingy. I do believe that he was a bit older. But, I am thinking that he had help to cover it up. I am only hoping that he did not leave her with his helper, while she was still alive. I know that this sounds horrible and I feel horrible writing it. Helper did very bad things to her. I think that he has a good deal of rage in him. Parents know this little secret. It must be exhausting for them.
But, if she was on the brink of death…they both are responsible…are they not?? That’s a legal question for someone, well legal!
I think that the original BG needs to be the one to contact LE, his money will get him less time and throw the other to the wolves! Maybe a deal is being brokered(sp) as we speak. I could only hope. I think that there as been money changing hands for silence. I know something about this considering my own family’s loss. Money talks for a certain period of time and well, we think that this has gone on long but in reality, it is just the beginning. But, it will break. Trust me. We had attorneys that were like dogs with a bone! Just not willin’ to give up on her or us! Thank God! There are good and honest people out there, suz.
Remember, This is just my profile and I’m no “profiler” or a “mockcop”!And, as I have no concussion…I have no excuse for my own confusion.
Just want “Morgan Justice”!!
blink: posting in private please?
Are you asking me or asking me to keep your last one private?
Go ahead if asking.
B
With regards to North Garden, there are a few familiar names in the Volunteer Fire Department:
http://www.ngvfc.com/site/members.php
Not that it means anything….and not sure whether this was posted before.
really interesting article on the difference between a police “interview” and “interrogation” a/k/a “custodial interrogation” — basically says the police can interview anyone, w/out warrant, in an effort to obtain information — an “interrogation” is trying to get the person to confess to the crime.
According to this article — which they interviewed two officers trained specifically in interrogation — police can go out and interview anyone at any time w/out probable cause and w/out miranda rights given in an effort to gather information — an interrogation is a different matter altogether.
Plus, in a different article I read, the Commonwealth’s Atty can convene a grand jury where witnesses are called — and can have legal counsel present and do not have to incriminate themselves — and the GJ can basically ask any questions they like —
So what we don’t know — and maybe Blink could confirm w/ her sources — we know VSP has the lead on this case — but does that mean they have superceded Cvlle, Albemarle and UVA pd and VSP is calling all the shots — we know the FBI has been mentioned, but are they an active participant now in this investigation –
It saddens me to think or say it, but I feel if they had any real leads, an arrest would have already been made — the same thing w/ Cassandra Morton –
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:N8lwSoFq3SYJ:law.wlu.edu/deptimages/Students%2520for%2520an%2520Innocence%2520Project/Getting%2520to%2520the%2520Truth_FINAL.doc+virginia+law+custodial+interrogation&cd=18&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&ie=UTF-8
VSP is leading this investigation with assistance from the FBI.
B
…my theories are not popular for whatever reason, but i sure hope that all known “johns” and scalpers with a criminal history in the area have been checked out. i really think this started as opportunistic with Morgan possibly HH’ing or just standing/walking alone and the perp was cruising the area(“i might get laid”), progressed to rape when Morgan dismissed advances(“i AM getting laid”), and ultimately panic(“NOW wtf do i do”), which led to Morgans death.
i also believe that the remains site speaks more to “not getting caught”, than “Morgan never being found”…to expound; in most cases that i have read about, the remains site serves both purposes usually(since they are remote in nature), but if i’m the BG, considering level of importance in the moment…Morgan being found is moot if I am found in the act of disposing her, therefore, not being caught is first and foremost on my mind, Morgan being found is a distant second…in other words, merely finding Morgan means nothing without directly proving my involvement which takes time and alot of work…being seen leaving her somewhere is much more of a risk and would require a much higher level of comfort in doing so…sorry for the redundundundundancy
I cant discount the possibility she went with a stranger, although, I do not believe that. I think Morgan was walking with 4 BIB and we need to ID them.
To your second point, I tend to agree, which is why I am convinced the location of her remains is critical. I have studied this area closely, there are HUNDREDS of places to dispose of her sans risk. It’s about the location.
B
Blink,
Re: your slip/head/concussion. I hope you went to the hospital and had it checked out. After hearing about Liam Neeson’s wife’s skiing accident I realize how serious ANY head injury can be. I hope you are okay.
Did, and thanks.
B
22 y/o male VCU exchance student missing since last week. I just caught a brief sound byte on the news — but he was from English Channel Isle near France — usually riding his mountain bike. The student and his bike disappeared last week. He does not have his passport, nor his cell phone. His parents have come from England to help in the search for their son.
what is going on in Va ?
total amateur says:
March 9, 2010 at 12:57 pm
I read that at least one of the occupants of the Sutherland fire was preparing to move- were they all moving? If so, why move in the middle of the college year?
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They said that, though they were still friends, they were not good housemates and had all decided to move out to preserve the friendship. Take it for what its worth.
Why would you take it at face value? Just curious.
B