Morgan Harrington Murder: Why Anchorage Farm?
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Charlottesville, VA– Morgan Harrington, 20 year old Virginia Tech Student found murdered on Anchorage Farm January 26 2010, was put there for a reason.
Image of Original Work By Nancy Bass
It was clear from Lt. Joe Rader’s press conference on February 4 that the location of Morgan’s remains is critical to the investigation, and to the identity of the individuals responsible.
Why Anchorage Farm?
David and Nancy Bass, owners of Anchorage Farm and the residential dwellings therein, own a boatload of land.
B O A T L O A D.
Mr. Bass, is also a longstanding member of the Albemarle County Zoning Appeals Board. In fact, he is the Chairman of the ACZAB since 2007, where he preceded this position at the Vice Chair since 2000.
Between 2005 and 2008, let’s agree there is a “run” on raw land in Albemarle County VA, in particular.
Like many families owning large tracts of land, there is always the dilemma of staying ahead of the zoning curve or preserving their land while paying taxes only on the residence.
Anchorage Farm, like almost 90% of surrounding vacant land, was registered in the Agricultural and Forrestal preservation program.
Location, Location, Location
The forced sale of Biscuit Run due to David Breeden’s original will was a disaster to its purchasers including Hometown crooner Dave Matthews.
A $46 Million dollar purchase from the Breeden family was recently bailed out by VDOT for under $10 Million.
There are lukewarm results to Blandemar Farms in its infancy.
The fresh sale of the first-of-its-kind development marrying land preservation and *ethereal* elite* estates* known as Bundoran Farms, Bass withdraws his 654 acre contribution to the Hardware District renewal.
Mr. and Mrs. Bass re-parceled and re-deeded their land in 2007. I have studied this tract closely; there is no doubt in my mind this land was being prepped for development with exactly the right easements for “right of way” purposes in place.
Nearly every other landowner was now in the 10 year plan with the possibility of not just one, but two significant luxury development projects on the horizon while their land is restricted from development of a “more intense use.”
Translation:
Holy Sh*t, my land could be “not subject to further subdivision” and worth half of what it is now in 10 years. Gulp.
Morgan’s remains were found in parcel 41a.
Which would coincide with the 4 and 1 parts of her families creed o; I choose to take comfort in that.
Keeping up with the Jonesbrights
As an example, let’s use the adjacent property tracts across Red Hill.
The Howell, Waybright, Napier and Hager Families own the largest preserved adjacent trac on Monacan, which from a plot perspective, you might argue is land-locked due to Mr. Bass ‘s re-zoning.
Now, before I get 300 posts asking if I am suggesting Morgan Harrington was murdered out of revenge of a land dispute; of course not.
I am simply saying it is possible that part of the motive of the persons responsible for Morgan’s death to place her on exactly the parcel she was, may have been a combination of comfort AND perceived payback.
I have personally worked with developers on a similar project and I have seen a man have his land value cut in half by not completing the planning process prior to new zoning amendments AFTER granting easements through it. Utter Nightmare.
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Great job, Blink. Your report underscores the idea that any crime (this one included) can have a variety of undercurrents that effect the flow of the tide. Anyone who thinks that this particular crime follows a single, simple scenario should be seriously rethinking that position about now. Once this shakes out, we may all be surprised at the breadth and depth of the true nature of this crime.
J2K, cartwheel done; Josie, you’re definitely in-musically inclinations may help; Dar-nice to have someone helping to hold up the bottom of the pile: Mom 3.0-Thanks, I’m cheering away, you keep posting away.
Can’t wrap my head around this. I think this location has definite significance, but in a much older sense, not a recent land issue. I understand this property was owned by Meriwether Lewis’s Grandfather.
Are there other “uses” of the land such as spiritual group meetings?
An important grave?
Is this in any way a sacred place (from Native Americans or other owner of the property)?
Doesn’t the tax map says parcel 88? Please correct me if I am wrong.
I don’t want to be disrespectful to the family, but I want to know if Morgan was drowned as COD. If my ideas are to move into theory, the unsubs motives would have nothing to do with land issues unless those issues pertain to potentially desecrating a sacred place.
You and I agree on some cases as to direction my friend, but I don’t think this is going to be one of them.
B
Blink, we are in opposite directions on this case, but hopefully we’ll meet in the middle.
Charlotte – 241 was a Harrington family saying “I love you 2 much, 4 ever, and once (1) more”, i.e. 241. Other than that you have to just keep reading and you’ll catch on.:)
http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story/Missing-Bartlett-Woman-Dead-Man-Says-Sorry/D6rt8F2-eEK1n8SVlMJmMQ.cspx
B., the above link is a source for my previous comment.
Does anyone know if the Basses allowed individuals (with permission) to hunt their property? I have a friend in Maryland with a 200-acre farm who allows certain locals to hunt her property to keep the deer population in check. These hunters sometimes bring other friends and/or relatives with them.
I think the most important part of Blink’s article is name association. Everybody’s been trying to figure who was linked to the farm and that general area. There are some names in her nicely researched article that have been prevalent on BOC- and are now definitively linked (by name at least) to the area.
“As I specifically stated in the piece, NO. After studying this area for weeks, I am convinced there is more tying the subjects to this land than just the level of comfort they felt on it.
Honestly, there are HUNDREDS of places they could have put Morgan, that imo, she very well would never have been found.”
B
So is it in your opinion B that the killers wanted her remains to be discovered? If land disputes were a possible motive (not to kill Morgan), but to place her body there, why so far out on his land where he rarely goes? Others have suggested on here that killers may have wanted to “stick” it to Bass, but how are they really sticking it to him if the body were to never be discovered? Bass himself said he rarely goes out there.
Hello and welcome to the new posters.
Frank Speaker, long time no see. Could you do me a little favor and not speak quite so frankly?
I would very much enjoy having a desenting opinion on this site, as it is my belief, that it encourages us to back up our points of view with facts. I think we need that to keep us searhing for the truth.
But there is really no need for you to do it with such a sharp tongue. So take a deep breath before you post, calm yourself, and think… Am I trying to get my point across too harshly? When in doubt, choose a more gentle approach. You can still be Frank Speaker without using a blowhorn . I look forward to a kinder, more gentle Frank Speaker……
AND just a little reminder to all posters, taking a breath for yourself then asking yourself -Is my post too harsh? IMO Is a good rule for all of us to follow, me too. Love you guys so very much.
BTW, I am learning so much about real estate and location location location, Keep up the good work!
Ok, now that the Breeden name is being kicked around I thought I would remind everyone that the Rt. 29 stalker had mentioned his name was Larry Breeden to two of his victims or potential victims. And yes, Breeden is a very common name in this neck of the woods.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-811109.html
Charlotte-
241 is an expression the Harrington’s began using when Morgan was young to express their love for each other. (I love you 2 much 4ever and 1(once) more. (2.4.1 or : :: .) Sometimes they would hold up the corresponding number of fingers when using the expression. These were the last words/signs Morgan and her mother shared as she got into the car and left Roanoke to pick up Amy.
Charlotte, don’t try and connect the Harrington’s to Bass or the land. There isn’t any connection (that I can see) I don’t believe the Harrington’s, the act of Morgan’s murder/possible abduction are related to Anchorage farm or the Bass family in any predetermined way…meaning Morgan wasn’t targeted and murdered as payback for land disputes or any other Bass related reason. I think that Blink is connecting VSP’s location, location, location dots by suggesting that Morgan was purposely placed on this particular Bass owned parcel of land to make a statement due to his decision (a few years ago) to withdrawal land from the preservation district. He screwed his neighbors big time (in their eyes).
If her placement was purposeful, it served two purposes and I believe whomever placed her there feels like he has succeeded in achieving “payback”. He has horrified Mr. Bass and changed his life forever. He has drawn attention to the Bass family and put his family under the media’s microscope. Insinuations to his involvement are sprinkled all over the internet. His land and his family will forever be tied to this tragedy.
Blink- do you think that the person who is responsible for connecting Morgan to this piece of land is the murderer or just the go to guy who knew the perfect spot who was able to kill two birds w/one stone so to speak. (the perfect spot to put her body and screw Bass without letting on that the latter would be accomplished) Could his only involvement been that he either physically helped the bad guys or directed them to the spot? Or do you think he had a role in her murder? I bet you can’t or won’t answer that question publicly, but I thought I would give it a try.
Blink, I am having a hard time following your article. The map didn’t enlarge enough for me to get a clear illustration of the layout of the properties you are talking about. I’m not sure I am getting the point. I hope you will forgive my denseness!
Are you saying that there are properties that are landlocked because the Bass properties surround them and they are not able to get easements, therefore making their land unusable/hurting the values? And the families owning these properties may be resentful enough that someone connected to one may have placed Morgan’s body on Bass’s property? to get even? or maybe just because the resentment came out that way? or am I totally missing it?
Sorry!! Please don’t banish me! just explain it r e a l s l o w hee hee
Hi DaisyGirl, you said: “So is it in your opinion B that the killers wanted her remains to be discovered? If land disputes were a possible motive (not to kill Morgan), but to place her body there, why so far out on his land where he rarely goes? Others have suggested on here that killers may have wanted to “stick” it to Bass, but how are they really sticking it to him if the body were to never be discovered? Bass himself said he rarely goes out there.”
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Great point. I think, though, that it’s not necessarily a rational, like-minded individual who would have done this. I think *if* what we’re discussing really happened, then there was pleasure simply in the act of placing a dead body on that property. If the land eventually was to be developed, then all the better, as during that process the body would be discovered–tainting the development–and by that time perp believed all evidence would be gone. Also remember the invincible, grandiose ideas of such an individual.
Also, J2K, FWIW, I have the mom at a diff high school (AHS, not WAHS). Not sure which is accurate … maybe it’s both.
fish -
yes’m…i am feeling what you are puttin down. i just heard about a research study from nih which found that rapists have an average of 100 victims by the time they are caught. those are the crimes they are not charged with…and i guess the ones they are willing to admit to at some point. so it is likely a higher number. mm…yes, no therapy for this. no cure
a stalker like this is the worst kind of hunter…the kind that kills a baby doe or kills the mother to revel in the knowledge that the baby will starve to death; the kind that watches his human prey until the right moment of ambush…someone who finds pleasure in the suffering of others. this was someone’s boy child who has evolved into a brutal murderer. maybe his cousins remember him burning bugs with a magnifying glass reflecting the sun, hearing about the kitten found hanging somewhere, mysteries of missing pets, rumors of savaged girlfriends…all behind a mask of what family members want to believe is normal. they don’t want to believe it can be true. it is.
blink -
is there any line that is blue?
also, i just had a thought that maybe someone with knowledge of an upcoming search of the bass farm and surrounding area might have been gleefully awaiting the discovery of morgan’s remains by le???
that would certainly have cast a much sharper eye toward farmer bass and family, no? he would have been crushed at farmer bass making the find himself in that tight 25 square foot area within his 730 plus acres of land.
Gil’s latest post,
OMGosh, I can’t read a single one of Gil’s letters without the tears flowing.
I have never known anyone quite like this.
I think I may need to go to Africa with her …as I have not been able to move through the grief of this entire journey, and it’s not even my child!
I pray that God’s love, and everyone’s prayers continue to lift and carry her, Dan and Alex through this unbelievably painful loss.
2-4-1
March 3, 2010
Several of us from the OMNI team have started packing the 3,500 pounds of medical supplies we will take to Zambia, Africa on our April medical trip. Anticipating the trip has me both excited and anxious. The separation from Dan is always painful, even more so this year because Morgan’s death has left both of us vulnerable and raw. Despite the challenges that being apart will bring, I am more resolute than ever to make my journey to Africa. I was not able to save my precious child, but know that I will be able save other children’s lives in Africa. Every bobble headed baby with malaria we rehydrate and every burn we clean and dress negates some of the EVIL that is afloat in our world.
My pain will be les sharp knowing I have made a practical and direct difference in our patient’s and our students’ chances for survival. This brings me much comfort. I keep trying to do my best to tip the scale in the direction of love. I do believe love is greater than hate and love will win in the end if we do our part to help it along.
2 4 1
@ yoshi… i posed this same question to blink earlier and have copied my ? and her reply:
no – freaking – way….
so, if it was a crime of rage/ passion and totally unplanned (which i believe), the placement of her body after her death screams of cover- up by those not directly involved in her demise?????????
No. I think she was placed there by her murderers.
B
lovely said: Based on this case, I will NEVER be alone with a stranger again.
Lovely, yes, you will. However, you will not put yourself in a position where you could come to harm alone w/ a stranger. Not every stranger is a BG and not every BG is a stranger.
When I was a young professional in the first year of my first job, I was 19 y/o — I graduated from high school and college early. It was NY’s day and I knew everything there was to know about the world. I’d gone to my hometown to go to a NY’s Eve party, then against my mother’s continued and persistent urging to go home because it was snowing hard, I stuck around until dark —
On the way home, in the middle of nowhere — literally — I had a flat tire — snow was everywhere and falling — I knew how to change a tire. So I turned on the flashers and was proceeding to get the tire and jack out when a car pulled up behind me and a “strange” man got out — turned out he was w/ his wife and they were on their way to church. He insisted he change the tire and I sit in their warm car until he was done. Of course, refused any payment except asking me to be kind to a stranger who may pass my way.
I don’t mean for you not to be smart — but the world is full of genuinely kind and wonderful strangers. You have such a beautiful heart and spirit. There may be a stranger in your future who needs a dose of your “lovely spirit” to get them thru a rough day — but be smart : )
jhl-interesting post at 6:00 pm. If anyone missed it you need to go back and read. Could something similar to that have happened to Morgan? What about the mysterious BIB?
PM1, I’m honored. Since I’m a tall skinny redhead, maybe I can be on top of the pyramid, like a flaming torch. And here comes J2K springing her famous cartwheel. Julie, my singing is enough to make a screeching owl cover it’s ears, but I can hold a mike close and scream out a sound or two every now and then. Somebody else will have to swing their head around in circles, though. I get sick just thinking about it.
ROTFL.
I was playing band hero the other day when the HVAC dude came to the wrong door so I did not see him, but he heard me, 2 songs worth, I will have you know he said I should audition for idol.
… Mrs. Robinson
Lovely @1:20 – “I agree with my boyfriend when he says that all sex offenders should be castrated after the first offense. I dont consider that cruel and unusual punishment for the crime they have committed. if you have someone out there in public who is a TIER 3 OFFENDER – clearly you are not doing something right.”
These are crimes of violence and unfortunately, castration, while an appealing thought, is not the first line of defense. Lock these people away LWOP FIRST TIME OFFENSE. You harm a woman or child, and your life is over. Period. No discussion, no plea, no registry. The system is not working. We outnumber these people. Surely we can overcome if we align ourselves to the cause.
it seems this is pointing at emh?i see it, if their doing affordable housing vs ethereal elite,and there’s bad blood over zoning ,emh w/a rso against him for life ,feels like trash ,so dumps his ****,on nouveau riche’s property which used to be his,thing is ,two things 1.BLINK i thought you said no rso was involved in this.2. i’ll wait.
One thing I’d just like to mention to Frank Speaker -and others- is, this site is made up of many, many people who post from a lot of different perspectives. Posts cover a large gamut of ideas. Not everyone here thinks the same thing and definitely not everyone who reads here thinks and accepts all of the ideas that are discussed.
If you read here and then think “oh, ‘those people’ over at Blink’s site think [_]” and fill in the blank with every single thought you’ve read here, you would be way off base. We are not one collective person.
However, there is a creed here of treating others with respect and consideration, regardless of whether you agree with their perspective or not.
I highly appreciate the environment Blink has created here. No one has to be afraid they will say something stupid or come up with the ‘wrong’ idea. The atomosphere is free and open, which is the best kind for brainstorming. Blink does not stand for disrespect or put-downs or rude language.
My own style is, I rarely post but I do read through all of the ideas. Some I immediately think “no, I don’t think so,” others I file away in my head, and others catch my interest and I look into and read more about them. Many of the posts here are very thought provoking, and posts where people have shared their own histories and how they came to be the people they are, I carry those on with me and they mean a lot to me.
I think there are probably a lot of readers here like me who rarely, or never, post.
The reason you run into trouble here, Frank, is because you do not state what your ideas are or explain them in such a way as to persuade or enlighten anyone. You simply scoff at others. You also seem to misunderstand or misread people and rather than asking for clarification, you attack. I personally wish you would have the courage to explain just how you, yourself, see things and why, as I’d like the opportunity to know and possibly learn from it. Why don’t you state your own case and what you base it on without referring to anyone else’s?
Nominating bluewillow for post of the day!
B
marylander says:
March 3, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Marylander, yes, the Basses say there were 4 hunters that had permission to hunt on their property. There apparently was also known to be a certain amount of trespassing that went on.
You can find more about this in previous posts.
Mr. Freaker wrote: read a zoning map in the middle of a dark rainy night out in the boondocks while committing despicable deeds
no pun intended, right ? Get it, “deeds” like in “property deeds”
Oh, please pardon me. You do not joke. You are always serious, hence your name.
And you are correct. This is serious business. There’s a family w/ a hole blown out of their hearts waiting for spring so they can distribute their beloved child’s and sister’s ashes, which for now rest in a cigar box on the coffee table.
Frank, you may not like any of us here — and that is your privilege. But out of nearly 5000 posts yours are the only ones not trying desperately to make some sense out of a senseless act –
Some of our ideas may be ridiculous — and when the sadness over the loss of this beautiful life gets a little too heavy on our hearts, we may tell a joke or two. It binds us together and pulls us forward to take the next step.
And you certainly have the right to question some or all of our ideas. But you do not have the right to question our motivation.
Instead of trying to be the guy who “sticks it to Blink on BOC” — because that is not going to happen, except in the confines of your own little world — why don’t you be the guy who offers original theories? Or even when you think we are all just ridiculous, you be the guy who holds his head high and holds his tongue and just lets it “B”.
Dr. Harrington, Morgan’s beloved “Poppa,” reads this board. He may even think some or even all of our ideas are outlandish, but I know he feels our hearts and knows our motivation and intention. The only thing any of us want is absolute justice for Morgan.
So in honor of Morgan’s memory, and in kindess to the Harrington family, I ask you to consider what I’ve said before you make your next post.
Cordially,
Sky
Blink said *among other things* >.ROTFL.
I was playing band hero the other day when the HVAC dude came to the wrong door so I did not see him, but he heard me, 2 songs worth, I will have you know he said I should audition for idol.
… Mrs. Robinson
Ms. Blink, you are full of your sassy self today — and it is good to hear ! I literally AWMP when you addressed Ms. Minnie Penny as Ms. Cougar — and then a certain Mr. F — and now Mrs. Robinson —
: ) <3 you big time !
Nominating bluewillow for post of the day!
B
I cast my vote for same : )
Here’s to bluewillow…*clink*…
I agree. Quite honestly, I would like to hear your ideas on Morgan’s murder, Mr. Speaker and I’m sure others would to. I think you may have a different perspective to offer and I hope you will share. I believe that you want to see justice for Morgan and her family, as we all do.
Wishing the best to Mrs. Harrington on her mission. Amazing lady. Love and prayers to the Harrington family.
Lol Blink er…Mrs. Robinson. Nominating Blink for our lead singer!
I can’t remember who posted on here speaking of Tier III sex offenders. Has anyone followed the recent case of Chelsea King, whose body was just found? The scumbag arrested for the crime was involved in the attempted rape of a 13-year old girl he beat badly and was attempting to rape, before she luckily escaped. He was arrested straighaway, and served only FIVE years, before he was released and committed this horrible crime against Chelsea. He is also suspected in the murders of four other women. How can it be in this country, that we have people locked up longer than that for non-violent drug convictions, yet these sexual predators are turned loose over and over again only to reoffend!
Blink said: “Honestly, there are HUNDREDS of places they could have put Morgan, that imo, she very well would never have been found.”
And there ladies and gentleman is the most important and poignant point that I have read for quite some time. Although I would contest that number ranges in the thousands, not the hundreds – but that is mere semantics.
J2K – I think Acho is right about the mother of the RSO. I believe she went to Albemarle High. I think her maiden name is the same as a particular form of precipitation that has pounded VA this winter. The stepfather is DW and he went to Western Albemarle which is in Crozet. I also believe that his mother and father live in Crozet still as there is another DW (different first name)and LW that appear to be related to the stepfather.
Yep
B
If any of the AF hunters were LE or had ties to them, it would be a double eye-poke from the murderer’s point of view.
From the time MH was found at AF, I believed it was to cast aspersions on the landowner and his successful wife. I originally thought it was only it was because he (Bass) was wealthy (in land) and had a historic and yes, popular, farmhouse where young people gathered. Jealousy raged.
I also imagined the living-nearby-, or familiar-with-farm-perp had thought of this before. What if Bass ended up with a bad crime on his property–like a rape of a young woman, or a dead body on his land. Wouldn’t that just cheese him off? (Several of you have already suggested same.)
Now the land-use history leads me to believe he heard a lot of grousing at home over the issue.
Antagonism at home would fuel his abandonment issues.
The jealousy, resentment, rage against the ‘wealth’ and control of others when the murderer was losing more and more control himself was an impetus to the crime. (read Catch’s post, too. vgood.) His JACA (no relation to band hero witness):
J–Justifying the uncertainty of Family being able to deliver on inheritance; the right to wealth and comfort was slipping out of hand, creating rage and impotence; MH was stupid to trust a known rapist; people like her think they’re too good for me, just like the people at Anchorage and Blandemar Farms.
A–alternative Once he decided to rape the victim, he could continue his violence with the thought he had no alternative. She would tell on him and he’d go to prison for a long time. Must kill her.
C–consequences..So many unsolved murders around; maybe has raped many other victims and not caught; it’s a vast landscape–you can get away with murder here. I can ravage the body so that ID is difficult. I have an alibi, anyway.
A–ability. Perp has raped before. His self-appraisal may have grown in the last few years. Bigger, stronger, angrier. Has access and skills with weapons. May have also killed before.
Daisy Girl: I just heart your name! I wish mine as pretty!
“Others have suggested on here that killers may have wanted to “stick” it to Bass, but how are they really sticking it to him if the body were to never be discovered? Bass himself said he rarely goes out there.”
Here’s what I mean. It is a twisted mind that thinks of this method to place Morgan there.
He’s got it always in the back of his head and like a grinning cheshire cat, he always has a smile on his face. No one knows what his problem is…just he does. And that, for now, is good enough for him. He doesn’t need her to be found. It’s his dysfunctional secret.
So hence, “Stickin’ it to the Bass-Man”.
This is just my opinion on this matter. I could be way, way off.
But Daisy Girl, if you think like our wonderful, keekee, then…
“…he would have been crushed at farmer bass making the find himself”
A bigger plot all along, you would be intimating to? WHO was involved with the search to be done by CUE. This was not an open volunteer search party. Didn’t one have to be invited and/or you had to be part of an official search and rescue team. Virginia has great ones, btw.
Blink, why WERE they going to start to look in this area?
A 20-25 miles radius is not only south but north, east, and west.
Something/one must have been leading them there.
I hope that I do not sound as discombulated as I think I do but here it goes.
Thanks DaisyGirl, for showing me another viewpoint. This is truly why this site is so great.
NGBoston, the Harrington’s have this private little shorthand code they lovingly use with each other. They say 241, meaning I love you 2 much, 4 ever, and 1 more time (or once more).
Hey, Celia — and welcome — just to address your idea of a random dump site — that’s an excellent theory — until you go there — all of the overhead shots of the land simply do not relate what’s actually there — I don’t believe there’s any way in the world someone not familiar w/ that property could turn on Red Hill, and go thru the gate, if it were accessible in Oct. — and then drive to the area where Morgan was left — it is hilly as all get out and there’s the north Hardware river which has extremely deep banks — you’d have to drive a fine line to get there, and in the pitch dark — I was out that night and it was a new moon and total cloud cover — pitch black — and I got lost in the city w/ street lights —
plus, even the excellent pix from Christy S and T-Bone don’t really show how quick that turn onto Red Hill Road is and how fast that turn comes up —
it just seems if this were totally random and just a dump and run (I am so sorry to use those terms), there are a lot of easier and better places to do so. I mean, why drive onto the property — just open the door and dump the body on the little area in front of the gate —
It’s a conundrum, for shizzle !
Thanks for your posts — please post more — Morgan needs all the friends she can get —
Not addressing you, but just in general —
If I was allowed to ask this person one question, it would be:
Didya not think people would notice she was missing ?
And JulieMooly, thanks for your prayers for my dog — she has not come back, and I’ve cried poodles — uh, puddles
She is a purebred border collie, and a beautiful one at that — I’m just hoping someone got her and decided to keep her — and that they will let her go once she starts her characteristic non-stop barking and book and shoe and pillow chewing — I saw her boyfriend — Hound Dog — today while I was looking for her — and he looked as sad as me : ( But when she got spayed, she was tatooed — I meant to have her digitally tagged — I forget what it’s called — but we were late and I forgot to tell the vet —
On the fliers I put that she recently had surgery and needs her meds and may be contagious to other dogs and humans — (she’s not — heartworm meds) — but hopefully the person who has her will read that and release her —
I do not know how the Harringtons endure — and Gifter I’m w/ you — I think I’ll go to Africa w/ Gil — I made a donation to Omni, so one more kid will receive a vaccine because of Morgan —
2 4 1 and J4M !!
And I’m still inclined to accept as a possibility that if access was not thru the front gate of AF — that it was from Chopin Road — if you had access thru the main gate — and even if thru Chopin Rd., you’d still have to be familiar w/ the lay of the land, so to speak, to find that area — and you’d have to jump a fence —
there’s one flat area that fronts Red Hill, and then the backside of AF rises like a “biskit” over the landscape —
even if it were random and they drove until they found a site to dump the body, getting back outta there would be just as treacherous — plus you’d have to have some panic mode going on that you’ve got a dead girl in your car —
Whoever put her there knew AF — knew the lay of the land –
DTA says:
March 3, 2010 at 1:23 pm
total amateur says:
March 3, 2010 at 2:33 pm
I think that the two of you make good points. Maybe Morgan was in location #1, location #2 and then finally, location #3. Could this be?
George says:
March 3, 2010 at 3:40 pm, “I think it is possible that Morgan may have been buried in a shallow grave nearby and washed to where she was found during the heavy rains between the two large snows.”
George: I too believe she was inside tree line. It was just enough to get her there and then leave, leave quickly.
Celia says:
March 3, 2010 at 5:29 pm
I have been on these country Virginia roads and at night, they can be down right unmanable to maneuver around. Even my GPS, took me the wrong ways. My family was outta their minds. It seemed like we were just getting deeper into no where and we were just leaving Montpelier. How silly is that. So I am thinking that HE knew where he was going. This is not just a “Hey, I think I’ll pull off here and backroad it there”
No way, Celia. And, you have a pretty name too!! I’m mad because my name stinks. Although, that is not why I received it.
J2K says:
March 3, 2010 at 4:53 pm
For a mere 99.97, I can send you a complete doseay of the inner workings. You would see the light. I too was confused at first. Marriages, Divorces, Disillusionments, Deaths, Locational moves, it goes on and on. But this is where they sit. Maybe nothing, girlie and then again, maybe everything.
total amateur, I think LE needs serious probably= cause in order to go to the judge to get a warrant to search someone’s house. As far as we know, that hasn’t happened.
how funny, probably=cause equals probably cause (missed the backspace key by that much)
TO: skyler: Would you perhaps be able to take your girl’s BF “Hound Dog” around the area/neighbohood in your search for her? Maybe she could pick up his scent?…
Ok, I did have to laugh when Frank Speaker called me out for not having cleared Bass as a POI (in my own mind, obviously, not in any official capacity) while admiring the wife’s paintings enough to consider getting one. Guilty as charged!
I guess I am a woman of contradictions.
O/T
“You know, I had not thought of that, you could be on to something, thanks for the tip.”
Blink: The daughter is off to bed but not before she read a post, kissed me goodnight and then flung her hair, turned around and said, “Gosh, Mom, you sound like Blink!”
See, I gave her that same tip!
LMfishAO, big time!!!!!!!
sky: she sayin’ a prayer for your pup!
A Texas Grandfather
This is a strange thing about the land. I of course do not live in the area, but I did visit this area for a day in 1979. Not a heavily populated area except for the university at that time.
Ladies, each of you need to talk to your state senators and represenatives about the fact that the criminal justice system is not taking crimes against women seriously. Women are the majority of the population and it is time to make these elected officials feel the heat about the lack of concern by making them aware that you control the ballot results. Make them all understand that if they do not do the right thing you will vote them out of office.
The perps that perform these acts against women should be removed from society forever. We know that many of them have offenses that they were able to conceal prior to the act for which they were caught.
Law enforcement needs to have a way to make these guys talk about everything that has gone on in their past so that families that have been harmed can have some amout of closure.
Once law enforcement is convinced that they have all the usefull information, they should be tried and if convicted should be hung in a public square. This needs to be televised so that all the local society has an opportunity to know about it. Who knows, it may prevent some future perp from commiting such an act.
Rapists usually graduate to murder at some point. These people cannot be rehabilitated so they are worthless to society. Why spend tax payers money for long term incaration. This amounts to between twenty-five to forty thousand a year for each one of them.
The next thing that has to happen is that we must teach our teenagers and those below twenty-five years of age that the world is a dangerous place. Women should not go shopping to big box stores alone and certainly young single women should not go to rock concerts with only half their brains functioning due to consumption of alcohol and dope.
These predators are always out there just waiting to get their next victim. Don’t let that be you or some member of your family.
Amanda850 –
Actually I think your scene-to-the-R-to-the-O says it pretty damn well:
“Really, I think this is pretty simple. My Possible Scenario: BG is vvveeerrryyy familiar with the area. He commits this brutal and disgusting act to precious Morgan, then says, ‘Oh sh*t, now what do I do with her?? Nobody can know we did it. I need to put her somewhere she won’t be found. Ol’ Bass has never seen us screwing around in that field of his. We can put her there, and if somebody ever does find her, it’ll serve Ol’ Bass right for the grief he’s caused me and mine.’”
B -
As far as the family dynamics, those were my original thoughts (Should have stuck with Occam’s Razor on that one). I understand the need to tread lightly, though – my question about that particular name is in determining if he moved to that very area with his mom in 2005/06 when they bought the place, or if he’d been around around there his whole life.
Here’s why: It appears that he committed two acts of rape in the first year he lived at MT Road address, which catapulted him into the juvenile-justice system, leaving little time to freely explore, hunt or otherwise traverse the back end of AF accessible from his new house (not impossible, but not like he “frolicked” there for the last few years as he was monitored 24 hours a day and it would have stood out as illegal trespassing, i.e. probation violation. (Could this have been the 3 – 5 years reference…?)
Where. Does/Did. Dad live?
acho, aka the Master of Rapid Research -
You are correct: AHS (in Cville, not Crozet)
Lastly, re: bluewillow’s post to Frank Speaker (3/3 @ 9:37 pm):
“Nominating bluewillow for post of the day!~B”
What? “Hey Franky Boy, put on your bi-focals” wasn’t working for ya? …*sigh*… Seconded.
suz –
I think you mean “Snakey as charged!”
(Not that I agree, but I too was like, “heh heh… uh, Seriously, dude?”
I am with you on this one. There was more to the location then meets the eye. If someone could get in an FU at the end of this ..well there you go. Too bad they don’t have the couth to turn their relative in..and no I do not mean the Bass family..thinking of another old land holding family myself.
So we have comfort, knowing the owner was away at the time, knowledge of the terrain..and an FU in the package deal. Makes sense to me.
Poor sweet Morgan..thank God she was left in a beautiful spot vs being left in a cold dark alley. She’s talking..we all need to listen. Don’t ya just despise people who think that they are better then every other person on the planet..been there..dated those dudes, and I am personally in a property ruling war with one of them..marrying him joining our land seemed too much like a corperate deal. I opted out… and married my sweetheart for life.
Great posts everyone. Enquirer, nice to see you and good point to underscore. Hear anything as of late Enquirer?- Sure would love to hear some more of your insights…. Not to put you on the spot of course.
Gypsy DD, but WAS Bass away at the time? We don’t have that officially, as far as I know.
Hi all, Hypotheticcally speaking, *if* a bg had two rape charges for the same date, what does that mean? He raped two people? Huh? And *if* a bg was a minor at that time, are there sentencing guidelines for two rape charges? Would those records be sealed?
Still hypothetical here, (only) two years later — when the bg is now an adult — *if* he were convicted of a violent sexual assault, do those two juvenile rape charges influence his sentence or are they not considered because he was a juvey?
And then, a mere two years later, *if* a bg has two rape convictions, a sexual assault conviction, and has been labeled a violent sex offender … is it normal (as in, not out of the ordinary) for this hypothetical bg to be living the good life instead of rotting in the big house?
I just don’t understand our judicial system, I guess.
How many people are sentenced to 10 years for selling pot or coke? And if you happen to be black and are caught selling crack, well you can kiss the next 20 years of your life goodbye.
>>Sorry, needed to rant, but I would love some answers to my hypothetical questions.<< TIA.
bob-dog
J2K and others: regarding juvenile convictions/monitors: Are they required to wear them on first offense if they are on house arrest or seeing prob officer regularly? House arrest monitoring leaves a lot of freedom of movement, with required phone-ins, and doesn’t always require a gps monitor.
Also, do any of you have the initials of EMH’s only FB friend on his new FB? I’ve lost my notes. Also lost notes to Sor cha! Any news there?
Ola Chica.
J2 answered this extensively and she waited for me to post it like a millenium, so please allow me to weigh in..
Let’s say that a GPS monitor, for someone very local, is similar to pings. There is a plus or minus in a rural area, unless the individual is on house arrest, which frankly lives on a “LAN” type frequency based on established perimeter.
Fwiw, I dont think unsub no.1 may be denying he was with Morgan that evening.
My complete supposition tells me that the clock reset on January 25th .
B
Enquirer – good to see you. Have missed your posts.
J2K – Thanks for responding. I mostly read, pop in every now and then to comment, but I’ve pretty much been hanging out in your “theory” corner. I like comparing my notes with yours. And your pretty damn entertaining to boot!
Cheers, everybody, for great research and posts as of late!! **clink**