Morgan Harrington Murder: Anchorage Farm Could Yield Even More Clues
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Charlottesville, VA– In a new development in the murder investigation of Morgan Dana Harrington, blinkoncrime.com has learned that Anchorage Farm was very much a frequent party spot for local musicians.
In fact, there was a 7 Mile Sleepover exactly one week after Morgan’s disappearance from the JPJ arena that included an invitation list of over 130 guests.
Jenny Bass, the adult daughter of David and Nancy Bass, is an accomplished pianist, musician, horticulturist and artist in the Charlottesville community.
The Seven Mile Sleepover appears to have been posted prior to Morgan’s disappearance, approximately October 14, 2009.
While it is unconfirmed how many guests actually attended the event, it is clear there could have been over 100 people within a few hundred yards of Morgan’s final resting place a week after she went missing, and presumably, her death.
As Anchorage Farm is a verified crime scene in an active murder investigation, one wonders if anyone found anything they may not have realized of importance at the time.
According to her facebook, Ms. Bass was clearly disturbed by her discovery as well:
Jason Mateos and Elizabeth Morton, contributing editors to this report
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Ramen noodles and grilled cheese made in a waffle iron here.
Receipe by fish:
Wonder bread with Peanutbutter and Pickles.
I think we all should hold off on the,
“Blink On Crime Cookbook”.
Let’s hone our culinary skills first!
Radiogirl:
“I’m ready to see this thing happen for the Harringtons”
No truer words said, me too!
J2K says:
…AF was specifically targeted for a hiding place – but not by anyone with a legitimate attachment to AF (and I would include friends of JB and previous tenants of the property in the “legit visitor” group). That’d be kind of, uh, stupid.
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This is an interesting point J2K, I think “legitimate” is the key word here, as I do believe there IS an attachment. I feel, however, that “legitimate” visitors should not be discounted. The reason being, and I believe animatedly, that the perp(s) DID NOT expect Morgan to be found. If they did not expect her to be found, their association to the farm, would not be their primary concern IMO. I believe this “slip-up” will eventually bring the killer(s) to justice. Actually, I am fairly certain of it.
“That said, did it occur FOLLOWING her recovery? Probably, and therefore why the portrait, if her, would be significant.
B”
How could the portrait have been sketched following Morgan’s recovery? The photos were uploaded in October and November, 2009, well before she found by Mr. Bass in January, 2010. Also the outdoor scenes show a mid-October foliage pattern. Morgan went missing in October 2009; she was not found until January, 2010. Am I missing something here?
“Even if the “portrait” is Morgan, and it was made after she disappeared, it could only mean that the artist had heard about the case in the media and reflected on it.”
Poorly worded sentence, I apologize – it should read “…it could just mean…”, as in, the artist may have heard about Morgan’s disappearance on TV and decided to express his/her feelings in a painting. The painting doesn’t prove he/she was the murderer, unless there is any case sensitive information depicted which has not been made public (at the time).
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/94919949.html
Ruling Expected Wednesday on Search Warrants in Huguely Case
As with “Butterfly Girl”, I want to start from the beginning. What was Morgan’s last cell phone call (before the “I’ll get a ride home” call? (Or, a call or text not possibly ‘made’ by someone else?) “Don’t go to that party” and “I’ll get a ride home” does not compute to me. Also, didn’t Alex attend UVA? Having two daughter 10 years apart, going to the same school, they shared and ‘knew lots of the legends, etc. of the area, anything there? This investigation got off to a very compromised start (IMO). Hitch-hiking, run-away, no PICTURES, no discription (boots-necklace)… but her cell phone (without battery) and purse found!! Come on, someone did not want this to be looked into until it was too late! So, let’s make their efforts futile and re-investigate this, starting from when it is documented to her Dad that something was wrong … her purse! And, NO ONE’S account is deemed credible, until ‘verified’!
http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=12543041
Police Looking For Sex Offender
Guess someone woke the sleeping LE in Charlottesville…
Good morning-
I was wondering if anyone here can elaborate on this. I was looking into the significance of hay & fire, and came across this.
http://www.shankarithealchemist.com/category/beltane/
And this one is less personalized. They are different beliefs? I really dont know about this stuff.
http://horoscope2010.in/2010/02/14/holi-2010-holi-date-2010-holi-2010-dateholi-date-in-2010/
DeeTee:
I’m also from a very small town in rural north jersey and in my mind I’ve always related North Garden and the surrounding area to where I grew up: Beautiful country setting with a mixture of good ol’ boys and wealthy people who came from “the city”. Not a lot to do…lots of drugs, lots of artsy nature loving types, lots of hunters. There are people who know every inch of the county like the back of their hand and I’m sure it’s the same in Albemarle. When I think, “What if this crime was committed where I’m from?” the one thing that really stands out is that SOMEONE would definitely know SOMETHING.
BTW what town are you from?
Butterfly Girl – Very nice post. I have also thought about the accidental overdose, she wasn’t there, scenario. I can’t however, realistically believe that her fate was preceded by an “accident”. For starters, if she was killed accidently, why would the perp(s) go to all the trouble of hiding her body at AF? I can’t see someone risking the possibility of murder 1 by hiding her body if they weren’t indeed guilty of such. It just doesn’t make sense. This is just my opinion of course and you do bring up some good points.
the shirt has the hallmarks of a plant. the primary purpose of a plant is to mislead. some have suggested that the shirt being displayed as it was could be the work of a woman trying to send a message or intimidate someone.
i agree with the display/woman line of thinking, however, i think the message/intimidation angle is off. if it was a message to someone involved, the planter has just narrowed the focus of the investigation and defeated the primary purpose of the plant. if i was that involved person near the plant, the shirt being found would make me nervous as hell and maybe even more likely to talk.
i think there are other ways to intimidate someone without tipping your hand. like the purse, i don’ think i need to resolve the purse anymore than it being a plant intended to mislead.
i’d like to bring this back to timing again,as i think that is something we haven’t fully exploited for information. the shirt was found before anyone knew morgan’s remains would ever be found. that is screaming something at me, but i can’t seem to make it out.
was someone already feeling the heat? or if it is a woman’s intimidation tactic, why did a message need to be sent? and what exactly is the message?
Ok, so the pictures were drawn and posted AFTER Morgan was found.
But I’m confused B, do you think this group was aware of what happened to Morgan, as in her disappearance and then found on AF. They drew pictures representing her. Or that they knew what had happened that night of October 17 into the morning hours of October 18th?
Someone please refresh my recent memory on the photo of the “Beer Gut Guy” and the “Girl Squatting Down”. Who are they and when does anyone think that photo was taken??? What about the heighth of the hay?
And, do you think that they talked amongst themselves?
And, how could an entire group keep quiet?
And, do you think that any of Morgan’s circle of, well, friends know any of this circle?
And, should I place my cheese back to the beginning?!!
And, I want this solved yesterday!
Also O/T to J2K, Sorry I depressed you yesterday! LOL I can always break out the can of AquaNet and a lighter for some mean pyrotechnics to cheer you up!
ATTENTION ALL BOC MEMBERS: Justice and I need you!!! We want to do the morgan memory quilt but so far it is only and Justice on board.
We want to do something for the Harringtons. Please join us!!
Butterfly Girl Welcome- Your post was very good, quite thought-provoking.
I am with Blink on this, finally 100%.
Morgan Dana Harrington was at the concert. After months of looking, We found a video that was confirmed by those that knew Morgan, to be Morgan. They watched it and recognized, Morgan’s posture, movements, stance.. The video showed a concert-goer who was outofsorts, possibly ill, possibly looking for someone, and might have captured a rushed departure and/or fall.
I know someone came forward, and said, one or two of the friends, whom were with Morgan that night, said it couldn’t be them- they never moved from their seats. But they did not say it couldn’t have been Morgan. Besides, their story, all along, is that they let Morgan go to the bathroom alone.
And if Blink is right, and there was an argument, and there was drinking or other involved, even if they did leave their seats, it is better to stick with the story and not give credence to one grainy, video, that may capture the truth, in mere seconds.
What would they gain by coming forward? They could come forward and state: Yes, that is her. Yes, that is us…. Yes, we were arguing…. Yes, Morgan was sick… Yes, we were all Pizzed at one another… Yes, Morgan went to the restroom…..Yes, we left our seats…. and yes, she couldn’t find us…Yes, we couldn’t find her, either. Yes, I talked to her for a moment on the phone. Yes…We told her she was on her own, to find a way to get back in, we were staying to enjoy the show….
Yes…Morgan, may have said, she was getting a ride home…Yes, she may have told me, that she would try to meet us after the concert… in the lot…Yes, she may have told us… if we didn’t hear from her, to come out, and leave. I don’t know, I can’t remember. We were a little bit angry…We were a little bit drunk…
I wasn’t really listening, it was loud, and I was having fun…. We all thought, she would be fine alone, for a couple of hours….. We all thought, the time a way from one another, would give us some room to cool down……We wouldn’t have done it if, we didn’t think it would be okay…. So we didn’t do everything right…We didn’t run to her aid……. We stayed, inside watching the concert.
We wouldn’t have done it if, we didn’t think it would be okay …. We thought it would teach her a lesson, about drinking, and taking us for granted…… We were wrong…. We wouldn’t have done it, if… we thought it wouldn’t be all right… We expected her to be at the car…. We wouldn’t have done it..if we thought it wouldn’t be okay….Then, when she wasn’t at the car, we waited… we thought she was still Pizzed… and was now teaching us a lesson…. we didn’t know she had been abducted, we thought she was having fun… and was refusing our calls…we wouldn’t have left if we thought she hadn’t found a way home… we wouldn’t have done it if, we didn’t think it would be all right. When she didn’t come home, we still thought… she is so pizzed at us… she is out there having fun… and we are here… dealing with her mess…. she is trying to make us feel bad… teach us a lesson….
Time went by…. I tried to tell her we weren’t mad at her anymore…. We are ready for you to come home now Morgan… stop this please… We tried to get our minds off it, we partied on Halloween… We posted the pics on FB… We hoped she would see them… and come back and join the party…. We were wrong… she wasn’t somewhere, out there …alive and well….we wouldn’t have done it we didn’t think it would be okay.
Yes, we didn’t tell the whole truth… but we didn’t really think anything bad, had happened to Morgan….We still thought at any second, she will walk through that door…. We wouldn’t have done it if we didn’t think it would be okay…..
We thought…Why should we come forward and get in trouble? Why should we open our mouths and snitch out____for supplying us with booze and___?…
We thought it would be best to keep our mouths shut, until she comes home….Why should we take the heat?…let Morgan answer all these questions when she gets home….she’ll come home…nothing bad could have happened to her…she’ll be home….she’ll tell them all…. We wouldn’t have done it, if we thought it wouldn’t be okay….
We were wrong…we didn’t do everything right…it didn’t go down, exactly the way we said it did….We wouldn’t have done it if, we didn’t think it would be all right, eventually, in the end …. We were wrong… nothing can bring her back…. We wouldn’t have done it….if….. If only it had turned out all right….
Blink: Where is everyone???
Are we coming to the time where her face just fades from our collective memory? Or her voice, her smile, her eyes?
Are we to just start the “Acceptance Phase” and move on?
Please everyone! If we are meaningful in life shouldn’t we be just as meaningful in death? They all mean something to somebody and even to us or we wouldn’t have spend thousands of hours, days of searching and gazillions of posts on her.
I apologize B, maybe you are busy working on your other caseloads and I am just really getting impatient.
Can’t Virginia State Police say something? What is going on?
And, for Butterfly Girl..Always wondered if anyone asked Sarah or Amy if they had her camera and would we, could we believe them to tell the truth?
I’m going now. Gonna try to regroup.
I recall reading somewhere about a month ago that “Dee” or some other blonde female confirmed it was her with the MIB, not Morgan. Has this been confirmed?
Gil Harrington’s thoughts from today:
We returned yesterday from out of town. It was difficult to leave the refuge of our home for several days. Being away seemed to open vulnerabilities in me. Just didn’t manage to compose myself and protect myself in the usual way, perhaps because I had less control, less predictability, or just didn’t know how to read the cues in a different environment.
I found myself ambushed by anguish and tears at unexpected moments: at dinner, in an elevator, even at the airport. I am surprised to be falling apart in this way so many months after Morgan’s murder. Shouldn’t it be getting better?
Ironically if was also hard to return home to Roanoke. Our sense of sanctuary here has been shattered. I guess we will never feel totally safe again anywhere. That’s one of the ways we have been changed by our encounter with evil.
That violation makes us feel more fragile and act more cautiously. I check the doors and windows more often now. I rarely open them to catch the morning breeze and I draw the blinds early against the night’s blackness. I wonder if this will improve after the arrest of Morgan’s killer(s). I hope so; I don’t want to contemplate the rest of our lives colored with fear.
2 4 1
Fish….we are here…waiting, waiting for another piece of the puzzle or another lead, another clue to research. I confess, I am losing directions in which to search. Too many possibilities, but no additional hints from LE. It could be a RSO, it could be GH, it could be part of the musical/drug/local party on AF group, it could be LE, it could be Morgan’s friends, or it could be EMT/VFD group. All seem to be 3 degrees from Morgan, but no direct connection.
I just sit and check back here, hoping to hear some good news. Hoping that LE gives us more to go on. Hoping that someone who knows something has the guilt overwhelm them and tell someone, anyone, something that is tangible.
Too many questions left unanswered, Did the cameras on AF produce anything significant? Has the ME determined cause of death? Has DNA been matched?
Sigh…we are here…just don’t know what to do next to help bring Justice to Morgan.
This was posted at remembermorgan:
Today, 01:00 PM
HokieHigh
Possible new entry to AF from perps
I was casually reading an old article regarding the discovery of Morgan’s remains, when I spotted a photo I had never seen. (Maybe you have seen it, but I had not).
It shows the route that law enforcement actually took to get to the spot on AF where Morgan was found. It’s a picture of the forensic units out on the farm.
Interesting that I haven’t read much about this being a possible route the killer(s) took.
Discuss….http://findmorgan.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60661&postcount=1
Is the lower portion of the screen, where LE has their tent set up the same place as we all thought Morgan’s body was found, OR, did we think it was at the area around the LE tent in the upper portion of the pic. That lower portion is right at the creek side.
From this angle, it really doesn’t look like it’s that far from the Bass house, or that hard to get to for that matter…
Also, from the angle of this pic (also from HokieHigh), to me, it wouldn’t be that hard to discount that Morgan could have possibly been in that little pond or tree line closer to the pond, and washed down the creek with the flooding: http://findmorgan.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60682&postcount=2
I struggle with that. One of the major reasons I discount that, other than some that concern her remains specifically that I will not post on here, is the containment area of her remains. There is no way what they located in that tiny recovery grid would be possible if she had floated downstream.
B
hi all – i’ve been peepin but just wanted to pop in and throw something out even though it may be considered far fetched.
i know the general concensus is that Huguely had nothing to do with Harrington.
BUT, just to add fuel to the fire, since we cant 100% rule it out:
YOSHI, remember how we pulled up the GPS coordinates and it came up on a course page for a class at a university (ie: students doing assignments “in the field” – bad pun)
can you remember what class that was and where?
and is there any way to find out if Hugely was enrolled in that class if it was indeed at UVA?
Thanks all!
xoxo
This could be important and I have not ruled out the possibility of a lax player, fwiw.
B
Sorry to go ot again, but is there anybody else here interested in helping with the memory quilt for the Harrington family? So far there are only 2 of us. If anybody else is interested, can you email me at justiceforkids@ymail.com. TIA!
Could this be too complicated for VSP? Is the FBI still helping them? Why don’t Amy and Sarah say something? Is Amy still in school? The public was told that Morgan’s concert party was told by LE not to talk. I don’t believe that. A gag order? Just like I don’t believe LE told FindMorgan not to talk about certain things, like the T-shirt. Maybe for lawsuit reasons, but they are all under the impression that LE asked them not to discuss the T-shirt even. I wonder if LE is going around and around like we are? probably. I wonder how much you’ve helped LE? or not? Blink? Where are we going? Is VSP still working real hard on this? deep sigh
Fish, we’re here, we’re thinking, we’re praying, we’re hoping for resolution. But not accepting.
Lovely – I think you were referring to this post by Yoshi?
41.yoshi says:
February 18, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Lovely and Blink-
I was researching last night and found the coordinates of Blandemar pond and the dam listed on computer science courses at both JMU and Vtech. The courses have to do w/data sets, algorithms and a bunch of stuff I don’t understand. Could we be looking for someone w/knowledge of satellite data/personal navigation systems? Who knows that they (or Morgan) wouldn’t be picked up by satellite surveillance? A computer science student/prof. or professional? There could be much more to explore here, but my brain hurts just looking at the stuff.
https://users.cs.jmu.edu/bernstdh/Web/CS480PNS/
https://users.cs.jmu.edu/bernstdh/Web/CS480PNS/pa1/street-names.txt
and at VTech
http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3114/
and UVA
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/cs6161/CS6161_Syllabus_Spring_2010.pd
ABSOLUTELY
B
There is no reason that Morgan’s body had to be found. If it were buried underground in the very same place, it would likely be there still. And obviously someone wanted the shirt to be found. And the purse. Some attention-craving sicko is enjoying playing this hide and seek game. As the investigation runs out of leads, the perp runs out of attention, which increases his sense of dis-ease and affliction. And maybe that is when we’ll see some new evidence turn up. What is the limp little coward going to drop in public next? A necklace? A boot? How about a little red camera?
Twinkletoes, I don’t think that was ever clearly reported. Dee was quoted as saying it was probably her, since she was there with the guys. HOWEVER, the timing of the sighting was when she confirmed that she was already at the concert. The only way that worked out to be her was if she and her friends left the concert and then were allowed back in, since they were also there at the end.
I think the general conclusion here at BOC was that it probably wasn’t Dee with the MIB. But . . . how reliable was that witness sighting anyhow? It always seemed strange to me . . . in the same vein as Kickee.
Judi and Justice I am interested in helping- I am unfortunately swamped with end of the year things with my children. They do not have too much longer to go and was hoping to set up an email account then. I think your project is worthwhile and hope others will take this opportunity to reach out to the Harrington’s- Don’t get discouraged, I am sure others will are busy,and will lend their hearts and creativity to the cause,as soon as possible. I would hate to think we have all been blowing smoke. Keep up the good work- Mom3
Hi Blink,
Post or not, as you see fit. I did not find any obvious connection.
Unfortunately, I’m very short on time right now, so can’t write much about this.
Re: Cat says:
May 26, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Gabriel Robins is the UVA professor whose syllabus is linked from Yoshi’s post about coordinates, GPS mapping etc. His site is http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/ and contains many photos, and much information about all his research, his students, hobbies, including ball room dancing, archery, etc.
Can people kayak down the south fork of the Hardware River where it passes through Anchorage Farm? Are there any caves in Albemarle County?
March- why the cave question?
There are a few.
B
@ Blink May 26, 2010 at 9:21 am
“We have to factor in that the periphery of this group was aware of what happened to Morgan. That said, did it occur FOLLOWING her recovery? Probably, and therefore why the portrait, if her, would be significant.
B”
Sorry Blink, I don’t understand you.
I was saying, albeit circumlocutiatorily, or just plain badly, that JB group of friends were undeniably aware of what happened to Morgan, the question becomes, when was the verifiable level of interest and why-
B
Judi & Justice- Just want to echo Mom3.0, I am absolutley going to participate in the quilt project but I’m swamped with end of school year and work stuff right now.
B said (post #22)
I struggle with that. One of the major reasons I discount that, other than some that concern her remains specifically that I will not post on here, is the containment area of her remains. There is no way what they located in that tiny recovery grid would be possible if she had floated downstream.
B, can you confirm 100% if she was wrapped in a tarp, or tarp like something? I have read here she was, over there it has been said this info was wrong & was discounted. If she had been in a tarp, and it was either tied or taped around her, I think that makes the possibility of her being elsewhere before the flooding even more possible.
As I stated way back, when those floods came, they were horrendous. Looking at those pics from AF that were posted on JB’s FB, it appears to me that little creek is no bigger than the one at my house. I can tell you, my creek blew into an almost 6 ft wide river reaching midway up into my yard and over the roadway. No way would I have believed it had I not seen it.
J
I cannot confirm a tarp was used, it is my opinion. I can tell you it has NEVER been discounted, either.
So, one needs to process that accordingly.
That said, in a sense, we are agreeing, because if you believe that she was originally in Blandemar, which btw, I do not, at all, you must agree she was confined by something to come to rest in the way she did, and in it’s location.
Here is why this is important to me-
If you buy she was put in the pond- you quadruple your suspect pool. I think that was the exact intention of the person whose idea it was to place her there, in the creekbottom.
From contributing editor Jason Mateos:
“Someone once told me if you want to kill somebody, shoot them on the 4th of July, nobody will hear it.”
Someone is hiding in this chaos. Of that, I am positive.
It has a shelf life. That has expired.
B
Twinkletoes,I think you might be right.
TO: Cat, re: your following statements WRT AF:
“I think “legitimate” is the key word here, as I do believe there IS an attachment. I feel, however, that “legitimate” visitors should not be discounted. The reason being, and I believe animatedly, that the perp(s) DID NOT expect Morgan to be found. If they did not expect her to be found, their association to the farm, would not be their primary concern IMO. I believe this “slip-up” will eventually bring the killer(s) to justice. Actually, I am fairly certain of it.”
I could not agree more with your assessment above, Cat.
TO: Justice: For purposes only of maintaining anonymity, I have not joined the Morgan quilt group or sent an email to you (I don’t know how to set up an anonymous email) but am very happy to participate. [As mentioned earlier, I already have an idea or two of what I'd like to contribute.] To that end: can someone here explain to a neophyte computer user how to set up an email account that will protect my privacy? I have a gmail account; however, it is associated with my name.
Justice, assuming some patient person here can walk me through this, I will be happy to send a graphic design of my humble contribution to Morgan’s quilt for Dan, Gil, and Alex. The idea right now consists of words to a song accompanied by two logos.
TO: Moonchime: Good news! Your rock arrived intact–it is beautiful. There were also two pick-up notices that I will give to the postmaster tomorrow to recover two additional rocks that others have sent. As soon as I have all three I’ll place them at Morgan’s memorial and will post here so that dear juliemooly can work her magic to take and posts pics here for everyone to see. Thanks again, Moonchime.
Blink, were the injuries to Morgan’s remains possibly consistent with infliction by machete or any other large bladed weapon as depicted in that drawing?
I needed to edit your post, I will just say no.
B
Thank you, Cat for finding that post. I was just about to go searching.
Lovely, I hope it gleans some new info or connections.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/virginia/judge-rejects-newspapers-reque.html
In case anybody was wondering.
Ok, how the Hell does anyone respond to an un-noticed proceeding. Repeat- NO NOTICE= NO PROCEEDING.
It was filed by the clerk specifically, and argued by an outside atty. Why are these games being played, and make no mistake, this is NOT SOP.
B
Blink- I tried to post this last night, but I think the site was down -
Fish, I know your birthday was yesterday, but see above.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Happy Birthday Fish – …I think I may be an hour late, though.
Blink, any idea why Dan’s identity (driver of Morgan’s car) was kept quiet for so long and what finally prompted the release of his name?
What do you know about the textee and his relationship to Morgan? Do you personally know his name? (I have a hunch, but really haven’t heard/seen much) Who is he associated with? Anyone we have looked at on here?
I would hope that they have been interviewed as it is probable that she texted him about her situation, her plans and possible reasons for being outside of the arena. In addition, she may have sought a ride, advice, or made plans to meet him or some of his local buddies. How and why has his name been kept quiet for so long? (besides the possibility that he has a lawyer)
Judi and Justice:
I will head over. I love the idea of the quilt. I am so relieved to see that everyone is still here for her. I was a little frightened but see that we are all still in the game. Even if it is a game of patience and of waiting for a slip up from someone.
He will slip. They will slip.
It is only a matter of time. I just do want to leave this girl alone waiting in a field of hay. Waiting alone for her justice.
So we wait with her.
I would only add Miss Shiny is not in that field anymore-
We are.
In her place, till we can leave.
B
B: Just read your above answer. I have to ask and maybe you have already covered this. I’m wondering if Morgan arrived on AF alive?
Even if barely, alert, sober, drunk, wobbly, fighting, whatever way.
I would imagine that Lt. Rader has some idea or thought on this. I know his lips are sealed for a reason. Especially, since there seems to be some information as you say, gleaned from the recovery grid. Also, if she was in a tarp and I dare say, I feel pain addressing this again, did he/they try to destroy her body in the sense putting lime or another agent over her. I am so sorry for this graphic image. I ask because we have no way of knowing what they recovered. We do know that her mom wears her bracelet. So they did leave things behind and maybe just maybe he/they dropped something of their own? It was dark and rainy with little light. If any at all.
Could the photos have been taken on AF property looking for something? A camera or necklace(as in Morgan’s), wallet, flashlight? Something of somebody’s? I’m going to say flashlight.
Or is this just me holding out hope that some item was indeed, recovered by VSP and it could be traced back to somewhere and someone.
Are they still waiting for tox, dna, and such to come back?
And, UVA LAX? They are gone for the summer. Wonder who will not return besides well, obviously George Huguley.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509169903&ref=search&sid=G5sfP88rHHeFXBYTTmvGlg.2749986043..1
Blink – is this the missing Charlottesville guy?
yes
B
@ Blink May 26, 2010 at 7:09 pm
“That said, in a sense, we are agreeing, because if you believe that she was originally in Blandemar, which btw, I do not, at all, you must agree she was confined by something to come to rest in the way she did, and in it’s location.”
I would never had thought I would write that about a deceased person, it is just horrendous. Sorry Morgan. Here goes… the ligaments in the body rot last. I grew up on the countryside, and I have seen many a dead animal, and I have once accidentally fished a weasel skeleton from a river. It was held together by sinews. It looked spooky.
That said, these small streams can turn into torrents very easily, within an hour. It is certainly possible that something was washed onto the field and ended up in this position. However, I do not believe it could have come from the Blandemar side, since it would have gotten caught in the shrubs and fences on its way. The water wasn’t quite that high.
Well, you unintentionally bring up a good point. You are referring to disarticulation and it varies GREATLY.
I would like to offer this link as a fantastic forray into some of this discussion-
http://www.sarti.us/sarti/files/SearchForHumanRemains.pdf
I really feel at times we get into discussion that requires baseline info, and also shows us how mauch we do not know in terms of physical verifiable data.
B
“Here is why this is important to me-
If you buy she was put in the pond- you quadruple your suspect pool. I think that was the exact intention of the person whose idea it was to place her there, in the creekbottom. B”
I’m trying to process accordingly.
So, he knows of what he was trying to do.
Smart but just not that smart.
What profession would provide one with this knowledge beside one in LE?
B, ask your betterhalf, I remember him saying he had to “float a deer down stream, in the dark”. How did he do that? Headlamp? Did he have to use a tarp? How, how, how?
That is an excellent question Fish-
As he hunts on private land similar to Bass’s, with a membership, he would tell you he would never in a gazillion do a headlamp with the possibility of disturbing any fellow “dudes in camo”.
I no longer think specifically hunting is an advantage of an offender in this case.
Knowledge yes, definitely, usage of skillsets to hide Morgan, no.
B
B: O/T Just kidding on the betterhalf. Had to get you back for the age thing. And, by the way, tried the red light tango…she was horrified! But sure made me feel great.
@ Blink May 26, 2010 at 7:09 pm
“If you buy she was put in the pond- you quadruple your suspect pool. I think that was the exact intention of the person whose idea it was to place her there, in the creekbottom.”
Whatever his intentions were, he must still have been familiar with the land. And he must have known why we would be distracted, and look at trespassers, hunters, poachers, party guests with interests in the bizarre etc. first. There is an old saying, the murderer is always the gardener. In other words, someone unassuming who is easily overlooked, has access and knows what is going on.
“Ok, so the pictures were drawn and posted AFTER Morgan was found.”
Again, impossible. The photos were uploaded in October and November of 2009. Morgan wasn’t found until January of this year. The pictures were already posted before Morgan was found. The pictures may have been drawn (especially the sketch depicted in photo #14) in the very short window after Morgan was missing and the date they were posted. Photo #14 is of a young woman on a single sheet of paper as opposed to long scrolls of paper for the others.
anotherB – re: Location
(said) “…The murderer was inclined to return to the farm in a period of high stress. Maybe this was the only place in the area he was familiar with? A place he had visited before, at parties, and he didn’t know any other parts of the North Garden country side. …”
See, here’s where I disagree. Considering the litany of obstacles to that site detailed in various releases, news stories and first-hand accounts since MH was discovered there – all cited as impediments to that particular location from every direction – this seems like a ridiculously complicated, potentially dangerous, and needlessly troublesome “party spot.”
To me, it appears the location was chosen because it is Far Away, and invisible to surrounding homes through hills and trees, nestled in an overgrown topographical depression.
I say there ain’t no need to trek Out There unless looking for a place to hide.
Cat – perp(s) relationship to AF/JB
(said) “This is an interesting point J2K, I think ‘legitimate’ is the key word here, as I do believe there IS an attachment. I feel, however, that ‘legitimate’ visitors should not be discounted. The reason being, and I believe animatedly, that the perp(s) DID NOT expect Morgan to be found. If they did not expect her to be found, their association to the farm, would not be their primary concern IMO. I believe this “slip-up” will eventually bring the killer(s) to justice. Actually, I am fairly certain of it.”
I feel comforted by your confidence, Cat. Seriously. And you make a good point.
To all y’all – re: Balndemar Farms Pond
As far as the idea that Morgan was dumped into the nearby reservoir and eventually washed down into the creek-bed on AF via rushing floodwater runoff… not feelin’ it. While valid, the theory doesn’t fit the facts. For one, the body would have to have been weighted down so it would sink, stay down, and avoid detection. (Or else, why bother dumping it there?)
Besides, even if her remains washed away from said theoretical anchor within months, there would be some type of evidence on her body that compelled LE to search the pond, and that didn’t happen.
In addition, there’s a gradual bank leading into the deep middle of the pond. The perp(s) would had to have dropped the body closer to the center of the body o’ water lest she be visible to passerby. I don’t see anyone taking the risk of splashing a body into that pond in the dead of night – and even if he/they did have the plums to do so, I do not accept that her body could have gone completely unnoticed until ending up on a different property all-together several months later.
B – re: Purpose of placement
(said, quoting Jason quoting someone) “’Someone once told me if you want to kill somebody, shoot them on the 4th of July, nobody will hear it.’
Someone is hiding in this chaos. Of that, I am positive.
It has a shelf life. That has expired. ~B”
Ooh woman, you’re giving me chills!
fish – re: Culinary Adventures of the Poor but Plucky
(said) “…I think we all should hold off on the, ‘Blink On Crime Cookbook.’”
Hahaha…!
Uh-Greed.
*clink*
J 2 Kizzle-
1. Ode to the Fly’Z’.
2. I owe Cat a Big Nod, I missed her tone on her comment, towit:
The reason being, and I believe animatedly, that the perp(s) DID NOT expect Morgan to be found. If they did not expect her to be found, their association to the farm, would not be their primary concern IMO I believe this “slip-up” will eventually bring the killer(s) to justice. Actually, I am fairly certain of it.”
I agree strongly, forgive me for not acknowledging Cat, J2K allows me to hijack her posts vicariously when she is not looking-
Sorry for the chill-in-ator, but friend, is*what* it* is*.
Someone is sweating it out in this climate, and someone is not, which one will show us?
B