Morgan Harrington Murder: Anchorage Farm Could Yield Even More Clues
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Charlottesville, VA– In a new development in the murder investigation of Morgan Dana Harrington, blinkoncrime.com has learned that Anchorage Farm was very much a frequent party spot for local musicians.
In fact, there was a 7 Mile Sleepover exactly one week after Morgan’s disappearance from the JPJ arena that included an invitation list of over 130 guests.
Jenny Bass, the adult daughter of David and Nancy Bass, is an accomplished pianist, musician, horticulturist and artist in the Charlottesville community.
The Seven Mile Sleepover appears to have been posted prior to Morgan’s disappearance, approximately October 14, 2009.
While it is unconfirmed how many guests actually attended the event, it is clear there could have been over 100 people within a few hundred yards of Morgan’s final resting place a week after she went missing, and presumably, her death.
As Anchorage Farm is a verified crime scene in an active murder investigation, one wonders if anyone found anything they may not have realized of importance at the time.
According to her facebook, Ms. Bass was clearly disturbed by her discovery as well:
Jason Mateos and Elizabeth Morton, contributing editors to this report
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Blink are you saying some sort of invertebrate moved her?
no
B
Lily at 12:24 am gave a link to a paper dealing with the decomposition of human remains. One of the authorities cited in that paper is William Bass who is now retired, but formerly ran the “Body Farm” at the University of Tennessee. Dr. Bass received his undergraduate degree from UVA. Here’s a Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Bass
“Just in case we need to know, the above fire reported by George is owned by D. & A Oakey. He works for SNL- a financial firm. President of Boys & girls club, doing work for Habitat for Humanity. Graduated UVA 1993. The house was for sale for > 1mil. Also hold suite at JPJ. Just FYI’s.”
Thanks for the info. A lot of the value of the house is in the 30 acres of land. On a normal residential lot I think it would bring about 1/2 the asking price. I guess the cynic in me has two questions, why pour a boatload of money fixing up an old farmhouse and then not live in it, and given the same boatload of money would you not have state-of-the-art fire detection systems?
New Blog from Gil Harrington from June 2nd, 2010
Our beautiful shiny original, out of the box girl, is now firmly in the box, on our coffee table. Our time together has ended, an ending, but not THE END. Now we have to figure out how to proceed, to move forward in a positive way. Its tricky to keep yourself open enough to recognize and allow goodness to unfold.
I had a nice burst of joy this weekend when I recognized some calling cards from Morgan. Alex and I spent a long and unsuccessful day apartment hunting. As we entered the last place on the list I noticed a string of tattered prayer flags flapping on a fence nearby, but the apartment was just dreadful. We walked away and had a conversation about how we both were waiting for a “communication or a calling card” from Morgan. Maybe the prayer flags, (which Morgan loved and hung in her space at home and at VT) meant nothing.
We walked on and watched two small children playing on the sidewalk ahead of us laughing and squealing in the sun. As we got closer we saw that their excitement centered on a small contraption at the curb that was cranking out clouds of bubbles. A bubble machine! The only other bubble machine I have ever seen was at Morgan’s funeral/celebration.
We proceeded down the block and a man came out of a realty office caring a sign: Apartments, Apartments, Apartments. We stopped. The agent took us directly to a phenomenal place and we made the deposit.
In a span of 15 minutes- prayer flags, bubble machine, rental. I get it. Thank you Morgan.
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George says:
June 2, 2010 at 3:17 pmand given the same boatload of money would you not have state-of-the-art fire detection systems?
The MSL listing does say it had smoke alarms.
To Eloise:
Yes, dear friend, that is the myspace of you know who, right?
B
Ty anotherB-
checked it out, could be an ie prob on your end, or some issues we have had to address for volume today on the server. Lemme know friend-
B
“48.cosmo says:
June 2, 2010 at 12:42 pm
cold case … too bad.”
Cosmo: Me thinks you need a shot in the arm of a little more faith!
Cold…NO! I’m gonna believe, maybe stupid of me, but I’m gonna believe that they, don’t care if it is Lt. Rader or Lt. Dan, just someone is crossing their t’s and dotting their i’s.
This weekend, I got to thinking about crimewriter and his friend he lost to violence Det. Brian Mchaffey. These men and women do not just go into law enforcement for the heck of it. It is a decision made from a place deep down many of us do not know. Please link to the following…
http://www.rockdalecitizen.com/home/headlines/93647374.html
There are no doubt members of all the law enforcment organizations involved in Morgan’s case that want this solved. It goes beyond something, I don’t know what but something. Sorry but I do not know how to put it into words. Please, do not lose faith in a system that yes, sometimes is broken and sometimes just does not do enough but a system that does give family justice. We just need to keep at it. Whatever that means to you. Just do not let them win. That is what he/they want. The ilk, that is!! They want all of us to become discouraged and give in. They want to win. At some points, they have but not for long.
It is not just saying, “We will not leave that field of hay” but living it, breathing it, and feeling it deep down in us. Keep the discussions alive in your own home, at work, in your community. Someday you just might come across someone that might know something. I happen to believe it is a very small world out here.
Now, could you link to this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9_koQmM0pU&feature=related
See cosmo, not about whether their lives were more valuable than Morgan’s or my family members or anyone else for that matter, just that they go into a field where they lives could be taken in an instant and I’ll also believe the majority are good and want good.
The difference between God and Good? Well, one little letter of o! Nothing really. So go with God and all will be good! This could be the silliest thing ever on the BOC but I don’t care.
Just want to keep at it.
Don’t lose faith cosmo of the heavens.
p.s. Chose a Celtic Women Tribute for Observer and Skyler!
Thankyou Dear Observer for placing my shiny Paua shell on our “shiny Morgans ” memorial on Copley bridge.
Somehow all of Morgans’ anonymous white doves of peace are coming to roost there, joining together in a circle of love, creating a formation to watch over her, and protect future victims.
One step at a time, thankyou for making those steps for us , for walking in Morgans’ footsteps and placing our humble offerings there.
I am so glad it arrived safely with the CD’s as I was worried it might break in transit even though I marked it “fragile.”
I was so happy to read of Gils’ moment of communion with dear Morgan with the prayer flags, the bubbles, and the finding of the perfect apartment, she loves her mum and dad and dear brother Alex so and wants to string those tiny beads of joy into a string of pearls.
Thankyou Gil for sharing with us and for choosing to live.
Thankyou Morgan for continuing to shine, for shedding light on our path,for helping us find ways out o of the dark forest of violence and despair, that hides the evil ones that would do harm to our precious daughters and children, for leading us to your killer.
You will not ever be forgotten little sister, bright shining star, Rock and Roll Angel.
Anyone got change for a nickel? Here’s my 2 cents on the fire:
It was a “reduced structure” blaze that only 2 units responded to(i.e., *actually* arrived on-scene), and it was out in about 20 minutes. I think it may have been a detached barn or garage.
Also, it occurred on Red Hill *School* Road( as George noted), which is off the *other side* of Rt. 29, and a road down from Red Hill Road.
Coincidentally, Nips could toast his cheese there – as it is also parallel to his home off Monacan Trail Road, but other than that I don’t see why this is of interest…
Cosmo, and all, please do not think this case is cold. I know it seems like there is nothing new going on, but justice is patient.
We never know when that little piece of information will come to light. Someone out there right now, may find a piece of the puzzle, and not recognize it for what it is, another video, another picture, Morgan’s necklace… With the billboard, Morgan’s disappearance and murder, will be fresh in people’s mind’s again, and the puzzle piece may just click into place for someone. Stranger things have happened, believe me.
last post should have read: a picture- not another picture…
Looking forward to reading your new articles, Blink. Don’t forget to stop and smell the roses.
“All work and no play makes, Homer something something”
Lol, Lol. Thanks I needed that.
What makes Homer? That would be the illiad, of course, which I had to draft an improv act of, V14, for Blinkette, study for a final, a cert exam, while writing a brief for a subpoena in an unrelated case-
sigh.
Just wanted to apologize for not being able to devote as much time as I would like here.
B
It was so refreshing to read of Gil’s “burst of joy”. Goodness knows all of the Harringtons need that comforting relief. I do believe Morgan was letting Gil and Alex know of her everlasting presence and that she is now okay. I am still here each day. You are all an inspiration to so many. I look forward to the day we have all the answers to Morgan’s murder. God bless the Harringtons and peace to each of you.
fish says:
June 2, 2010 at 5:24 pm
RE:
Fish, Thank you for your post. I appreciated the link to the tribute video. It was a very appropriate reminder to all. As far as the poster suggesting the case is cold, perhaps he/she was referring to the fact that there aren’t as many recent posts for their liking. -Means nothing because I’m confident it’s very active and hot. You made a very good point about all cases being important. Although MH’s case is well publicized, I believe lab results are in the order received. Results will take reasonable time to return and then there will have to be even further analyzing for comparing.
There’s only but so much information & new discoveries that “we” can obtain online. The investigating agencies certainly have and use more resources. The bulk of most information LE obtained isn’t obtained from sitting in the office waiting for a lucky break (although that does occasionally happen). It’s obtained from going out and making public contacts and conducting interviews.
I know sometimes too, the public must think that there is no progress because Dan and Gil are blogging themselves and actively pursuing new avenues, but not everything can even be shared -with them. Putting together a slam-dunk case for prosecution isn’t always easy. We’d all like a more timely arrest. After they’re made, we’ll all want swift justice -which could also be a lengthy wait as well. Frustrating for everyone? Yes. However, patience is a virtue…and time is on our side. Yes it is. Yes it is…
Blink says:
June 2, 2010 at 3:49 pm
To Eloise:
Yes, dear friend, that is the myspace of you know who, right?
B
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Yes, our friend with multiple names!
Well, this recent van der Sloot case has certainly demonstrated that it is possible for someone to commit first an organized crime, and then a completely disorganized one. It makes me shiver to think that someone may have helped him to dispose of the body – maybe this person even witnessed the crime itself.
You bet, CW & Fishers. We wait. In the field. On the bridge. With the Harrington’s. Here in cyberspace. I believe in the power of goodness in our universe. I took my power nap today meditating on that goodness.
I re-sent my rocks today. A beautiful herkimer diamond crystal in matrix. I think it is a lovely representation of Morgan being cradled in the love of her mother.
Blink- Ummm… please forgive me if I am reading too much in to your comment, but should I be sitting up and taking notice to your response of:
“while writing a brief for a subpoena in an unrelated case-”
and FWIW no apology necessary- you have a life and responsibilities- understood -and we are lucky to be able to share you with your family- Thank them, from me.
No Mom 3.0, that work is under seal
B
The new billboard looks excellent! And I am sure the words are well chosen – “abducted” from the vicinity of JPJ arena. This was deliberate, and I believe it is a new piece of information. A while ago, I think it might have been in the last big press release on the shirt, police said they eliminated a number of scenarios and now have a clearer picture of what happened that night.
The question is now – was she abducted from the bridge or from the parking lot? Did she walk back? Was she in fact hitch hiking? Or was she heading towards the shops, to get a coffee? Was she hitch hiking, and subsequently snatched by someone when she refused to get into a car? Then I would expect more than one person to be involved.
Oh, and sorry, forgot to add, this billboard is going to scare the life out of the killer(s). It is brilliant, the missing piece in the jigsaw, and then, almost casually, the new piece of information – just one word: “abducted”.
This poster says “we know a lot”, and proves it.
1.daisygirl says:
June 2, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Blink are you saying some sort of invertebrate moved her?
no
B
RE: Quite the contrary. It was surely an invertebrate imbecile who placed Morgan there.
At Mom3.0 –
“All work and no play makes, Homer something something”
I almost peed myself when I read that. One of my all time favorite episodes. Especially when Marge says “Go Crazy?” to which Homer replies “Don’t mind if I do!”. Well played.
Let me rephrase my earlier unanswered question: Parking for events at Davenport (baseball) and Klockner (soccer/lacrosse) is in UHall. Is there a foot path from Lannigan Field parking lot (the RV lot) to those venues?
TO: crimewriter, WRT cosmo’s earlier post about Morgan’s case being “cold”:
While I understand, share, and appreciate cosmo’s obvious angst–angst felt by many others–you are absolutely right. Morgan’s case may at first blush appear frustratingly cold because new clues or facts have not been released to the public by LE via press conferences, etc. A lack of noteworthy news offered for public consumption, while anxiety-producing–is not an indicator of the activity in a case. For many reasons, though, I remain confident that this case is indeed quite active.
You are also correct, crimewriter, that lab results–that is, evidence submitted for forensic analysis–are generally (but not always) processed in the order received. The backlog at the state crime lab in Richmond, VA (where evidence in Morgan’s case would be processed) is notoriously back-logged and has been for some years. Sadly, that is not the exception but is rather the rule at many such facilities. [Don't even ask how backlogged are certain of the F.B.I.'s fingerprint processing requests.] With the budget cuts of the last few years, these backlogs can only have worsened.
As you indicated, once results are confirmed then comparativce analysis must begin. Forensic science is anything but a quick, linear process.
Thank you for pointing out, crimewriter, that “…the bulk of most information LE obtained isn’t obtained from sitting in the office waiting for a lucky break (although that does occasionally happen). It’s obtained from going out and making public contacts and conducting interviews.” Make no mistake about it: that is what VSP has been doggedly doing for going on eight months now. They have done anything but sit back on their laurels on this case.
You are also correct in offering that the public must believe that there is only mininal (or, perhaps no) forward progression in Morgan’s case because Dan and Gil are blogging and actively pursuing new avenues (as well they should; I would certainly do the same); however, as you pointed-out, LE cannot share all the information with them.
You reiterated a point I’ve attempted to make earlier; that is, that successful prosecution of a case is often far from easy. The factors that make up an equation that results in a conviction are varied and complicated. The genesis of a later conviction is detailed investigative technique. It is time-consuming, arduous, and sometimes mind-numbing work. It cannot be rushed, even with understandable public and personal pressure to quickly identify a BG and make an arrest.
In closing, I’ll echo the words of our sage fish who said it so well:
“These men and women do not just go into law enforcement for the heck of it. It is a decision made from a place deep down many of us do not know…There are no doubt members of all the law enforcment organizations involved in Morgan’s case that want this solved. It goes beyond something, I don’t know what but something. Sorry but I do not know how to put it into words. Please, do not lose faith in a system that yes, sometimes is broken and sometimes just does not do enough but a system that does give family justice.”
I ask readers to please try to remember that there is no one outside of Dan, Gil, and Alex Harrington and the very LE members who are investigating Morgan’s muder who want this case solved and a successful prosecution to follow. This case is not just about “business”; it is personal for these individuals, just as it is personal for each of the readers here who care so much for this family–and that justice be done.
And it will.
RE: Houston Mom: says:
June 1, 2010 at 11:27 am
“…Is it the North Fork or the South Fork on Anchorage Farm?”
I’m so sorry, I goofed. Anchorage Farm is on the North Fork of the Hardware River, not the South Fork. I have not yet found any photos of the headwaters of the Hardware River North Fork.
Regarding JB’s mention of water tasting like gasoline – There were leaking underground storage tanks located nearby on land at 2098 Red Hill Rd (owner last name White), and on other side of Monacan Trail Rd at 2485 Trainers Lane.
See Tax Map 88 Albemarle County at http://gisweb.albemarle.org
anotherB says:
June 2, 2010 at 9:39 pm
The new billboard looks excellent! And I am sure the words are well chosen – “abducted” from the vicinity of JPJ arena. This was deliberate, and I believe it is a new piece of information. A while ago, I think it might have been in the last big press release on the shirt, police said they eliminated a number of scenarios and now have a clearer picture of what happened that night.
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I don’t think the harringtons know what happened on that bridge.
anotherB says:
June 2, 2010 at 9:39 pm *snip*
The question is now – was she abducted from the bridge or from the parking lot? Did she walk back? Was she in fact hitch hiking? Or was she heading towards the shops, to get a coffee? Was she hitch hiking, and subsequently snatched by someone when she refused to get into a car? Then I would expect more than one person to be involved.
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My personal feeling is she actually saw or spoke to her abductor(S) in the RV lot. They may have let her go on her way after watching her and seeing she had no plan or people to be with. They then made their move. To me it ties in with the MIB, she walked with them, hung, talked, they invited her to do something, she may have initially declined. Then, they decided for her. From what I have seen, there are lots of vehicles with trailors on the back for music, equipment, take your pick. She could have been tossed in in the RV lot, hence purse with ‘dumped’ contents. I think it would be a very bold move to abduct her on the bridge, where they would have no control over the traffic approaching. Unless of coarse, she was feeling threatened and needed to get out of the area fast. I don’t know, I still think it happened in the lot. She may have walked back to use the portapotty, b/c they were there. Eitherway, the perps knew she was seen in the RV lot, hence purse location, and then rumours of hitchhiking surface. That and the dead phone, tells me this was an abduction. I dont think we would have that abrupt deadening of the phone at that early time if she was a willing traveler.JMO.
tired of hearing about Virginia’s backlog of cases for forensic analysis. b.s. home to CIA, FBI and the most endowed universities in the nation … i expect better after 7 months, and the fact that Virginia citizens accept the lack of transparency and updates from law enforcement and continue to place “faith” in these organizations (including UVA and JPJ arena) that have dropped the ball from day 1, only makes the lack of efficiency and competence that much more frustrating. Morgan was a college student, her parents graduates and patriot of the system. this is the best this system can do for her and her family. you people who sit and wait for results will be doing just that … sitting and waiting. start putting pressure on your LE, start getting the laws changed … you must get transparency.
When cases like this one grow “cold” I think it sends a message that it is easy to kill and literally get away with it. I have seen an increase through the media of unsolved crimes against women and I do think it is because of the laws in place such as ” without a body there is no crime ” look at Joran van slaughter for example or the Utah mother with a husband that took his two sons camping at midnight in the snow ! The longer these crimes stay unsolved the longer the message remains that these guys have a good chance of getting away with murder.
I think it is our right to stay on LE and expect results.
plenty of successful investigations leading to full prosecution through transparency and disclosure at the LE level. sorry … this case makes it EXTREMELY apparent that there is a tremendous breakdown in the Virginia infrastructure of law enforcement and legal system. it is like the ultimate American nightmare … your only daughter goes to a concert with friends in your home state where you grew up, etc. and then disappears off the face of the earth only to be found dead 10 miles aways and there are absolutely NO ANSWERS. NO ONE KNOWS NOTHING. you all can keep this b.s. in your state thank you very much.
Gil’s post made me smile because I have no doubt that Morgan was with them and that they were in fact signs from Morgan. She is trying to show them that she is still here, she is OK, she loves them, and she is trying to comfort them, I’m sure
NOW….if we can only deliver justice for Morgan, Dan, Gil and Alex.
BLINK: Is the lack of press releases, etc, due to that this case may be bigger than Morgan or is it because it ties back to UVA? Those are the only two things I can think of that can explain all the silence in this case, the mis info (i.e. who found the purse), etc.
Somebody(s) broke Morgan’s bones.
I, too, am going to stay here, in the hayfield, and wait. I will stay with the Harringtons and with all the sums of our parts, until the end. I really do believe and have faith in Virginia State Police. Rader will make an arrest.
@anotherB and @Eloise:
The choice of words stood out to me, too. ABDUCTED. And hopefully with this word now being publicly declared and associated with the investigation of Morgan’s death, those who have disregarded her case based on preconceived notions (i.e. “blamed the victim”) will have cause to reconsider.
ABDUCTED. When I hear that word, by default the image that comes to mind is someone being physically overpowered, taken through the use of force. Like the classic example of someone being grabbed from behind by surprise with a hand put over his/her mouth and then thrown into the back of a van. But I think the word “abduction” could be used to classify any scenario where a victim is overpowered, and not just physically. In other words, I don’t think this rules out scenarios of her being deliberately deceived and persuaded into going with someone, whether she initially went willingly or unwillingly, or knew pretty quickly that she was being deceived. I think the implication is that this person (or persons) intentionally acted to suppress MH’s defenses, and those defenses could rightly include one’s ability to make a judgment in one’s best interest. In abducting MH, her abductor’s intent was malicious, even if it wasn’t readily apparent to MH or anyone else (bystanders inside the concert venue/ people in the parking lot/ passing motorists, security guards, other people who may have been in the car she left in, her friends).
Or am I wrong? Are there different terms used in LE or legalese to differentiate the circumstances? I could be over-emphasizing, but to me, it’s important if certain scenarios are not to be ruled out, especially if the public is being encouraged to think back on the time surrounding Morgan’s disappearance with a view to uncovering seemingly insignificant details that just might connect a few significant dots.
Just my thoughts, humbly. I’ll hang up and listen.
Cosmo: I am with you and totally agree with you! A message needs to be sent that violence towards women (children or anyone else for that matter) is wrong, you will get caught, you will pay. The silence and what appears at least on the surface to be no movement in the case is extremely frustrating and giving someone the belief that they have gotten away with murder and others the belief that you can murder and get away with it. For goodness sakes, there is no such thing as a perfect crime and with today’s forensics and cameras everywhere and everything else, I can not believe that we are at such a stalemate in this case.
@ redly June 3, 2010 at 9:52 am
But why, of all possible ways to phrase this, did they choose “abducted”? It could have said “last seen” or “disappeared from”. The billboard already has “Morgan’s Murder” on it, which is in itself a very strong statement (and an alliteration). It is addressed to witnesses (“help us solve”), and the reward is highlighted.
It takes a ridiculous amount of time to draft posters – it is actually much easier and faster to write a longer text – and every single word has to be well chosen.
To me, “abducted” is the one word that sticks out on this billboard, in a similar way as the “brutally murdered” on one of the older findMorgan.com posters. It is new information.
But didn’t Blink have a background in advertising? Maybe she can comment on that? My impression is that this bit of text was added by Dr. Harrington personally.
Well, anotherB, I am not sure my experience applies here; I would seek to understand the wording as well.
If I had to guess, I would say it is to open the possibility of the FBI reviewing, and possibly having more investigative involvement in this case.
B
What I would like to think was going on is they (LE), have determined this crime has been commited by a number of people. All of which they cannot account for or have enough evidence against. As well as a drug ring. I think some are regularly traveling south, out of the US, and are selling locally as well as growing locally. That and what I believe is occult activity hiding beneath a flower child guise, I think they may be in over their heads. I hope the FBI is taking an active role. Cosmo, I worry about all that you said, but I try and put my head in the sand because I would lose hope otherwise. I certainly believe they could say SOMETHING to the public. I wonder what LE thinks of the billboard? Once again the Harringtons take the classy road.
To tokyorose-
Abduct-
kidnap, nobble, abduct, snatch
take away to an undisclosed location against their will and usually in order to extract a ransom.
I think they are conveying she did NOT go willingly.
post # 29 was something that I wrote on “Findmorgan.com” and copied over to this site. I do not care for all of the angst this cosmo person is creating and using my posts over here. Could you control your blogger, thanks : )
Sammy there are almost 1000 comments on here, and you just said yourself you put it here- heh?
B
Cosmo Says:
…plenty of successful investigations leading to full prosecution through transparency and disclosure at the LE level. sorry … this case makes it EXTREMELY apparent that there is a tremendous breakdown in the Virginia infrastructure of law enforcement and legal system.
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I believe the Harrington’s are generally content with the progress of the investigation thus far from what I have read. I would be with you Cosmo if this were not the case, but just because the “public wants to know” does not mean it is LEs obligation to disclose critical details of this case. I understand your frustration, but unless the Harrington’s express the same message, I personally find it difficult to support your argument at this point. Hang in there and try not to let your frustration get the better of you, you are too smart to let that happen!
In Virginia the use of the term abduction is VERY broad. In the Behl case, I learned that a person can be charged with abduction if they force you from any position or spot to another. IIRC, it can be as little as a few feet. For example, if someone is charged with Robbery/ Abduction the assailant only had to foece the victim out of their intended path while in the commission of the robbery.
From the Virginia Code:
18.2-47. Abduction and kidnapping defined; punishment.
A. Any person, who, by force, intimidation or deception, and without legal justification or excuse, seizes, takes, transports, detains or secretes the person of another, with the intent to deprive such other person of his personal liberty or to withhold or conceal him from any person, authority or institution lawfully entitled to his charge, shall be deemed guilty of “abduction”; but the provisions of this section shall not apply to any law-enforcement officer in the performance of his duty. The terms “abduction” and “kidnapping” shall be synonymous in this Code. Abduction for which no punishment is otherwise prescribed shall be punished as a Class 5 felony.
Sammy12 … stop trying to take credit for my posts! ha!
This stops right now.
I have 2 major news developments and I do not have time to babysit.
Everyone knows the rules, abide by them or take it somewhere else.
B
Sammy12 says:
June 3, 2010 at 4:50 pm
post # 29 was something that I wrote on “Findmorgan.com” and copied over to this site. I do not care for all of the angst this cosmo person is creating and using my posts over here. Could you control your blogger, thanks : )
Sammy there are almost 1000 comments on here, and you just said yourself you put it here- heh?
B
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sammy wrote it on findmorgan and cosmo plagiarized it to post as his/her own on this site. they had a troll problem on findmorgan today.
37.Sammy12 says:
June 3, 2010 at 4:50 pm
post # 29 was something that I wrote on “Findmorgan.com” and copied over to this site. I do not care for all of the angst this cosmo person is creating and using my posts over here. Could you control your blogger, thanks : )
Sammy there are almost 1000 comments on here, and you just said yourself you put it here- heh?
B
Sammy is saying that Cosmo copied her post from FM and posted it here as his own…no link, no quote, no source, no credit given. Not how these forums are supposed to operate. Give credit and link to your source Cosmo.
Well that is not what Sammy said, read above.
Also, if I am going to quote myself, and complain, it would be appropriate to give the link of origin, otherwise, isn’t one doing exactly the same thing?
That said, it is my policy and “netiquette” that if someone references any posts from someone else, that a source link be provided, that’s correct.
B
@ katie June 3, 2010 at 5:50 pm
…”by force, intimidation or deception” – could it have been deception? The area was too crowded for either force or intimidation.
@ Blink June 2, 2010 at 7:42 pm
“What makes Homer? That would be the illiad, of course, which I had to draft an improv act of, V14, for Blinkette, study for a final, a cert exam, while writing a brief for a subpoena in an unrelated case-”
Sorry, I am very slow on the uptake at the moment, was that the macabre course work? Did they make you write an essay on trauma and death in the Iliad? Let me know if you need any literature/material.
Oh my Stars no, no relation, thank goodness. Enjoyable project with Miss Tween Blinkette.
Cert Exam was based on decompostion study course work, yes.
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Eloise: I agree – the Harringtons once again, as every other time, have taken the classy road. They are truly the most classy, gracefull, loving people I have ever seen. Genuinely good, good people.
I too am taking the choice of wording as the Harringtons wanting it to be known that Morgan did not go willing with whomever did this.
So…doesn’t this also blow LE’s HH’ing theory completely out of the water (we all knew from the beginning she wasn’t HH’ing).
Is it just another piece of false info given to the public by LE, like who found the purse? Or do the Harringtons (along with us) disagree on the HH’ing theory and they need it to be known that she was abducted, taken against her will, and they need help finding who did it? Maybe because they feel the case is currently not progressing or disagree with how it is being handled?
OK, so who aducted Morgan would have had to have used chloroform or, yep, we’re back here again, given her the date rape drug long enough prior to have taken effect on her at the time of the abduction (like INSIDE the arena, possibly in a beer they bought for her, making this person over 21?)and that’s how no one seen anything.
redly – re: Agreed.
(you noted:) “I don’t think the harringtons know what happened on that bridge.”
anotherB said:
“But why, of all possible ways to phrase this, did they choose ‘abducted’? It could have said ‘last seen’ or ‘disappeared from’…”
If I may.
“Abducted” – in addition to being the Harrington’s theory on what happened to their daughter – came from a media twist of a statement Lt. Rader made at a Dec. 30 presser. During the news conference, through which he released info that Morgan had been drinking that night and thus allegedly not acting “rational,” he said:
“What we do believe is that she cannot come home and that what happened to her was against her will.“
Some press outlets regurgitated/summarized this theory in the headlines as “abducted.”
Don’t get me wrong- this is not to say Morgan was *not* forcibly absconded with; it is to note that neither the Harringtons nor we know how she departed from the vicinity of the JPJ.
Just keep in mind that the billboard was a privately produced – not a message from LE.
That said, a *clink* to katie for droppin’ the Virginia penal-code definition of “abduct”:
18.2-47: “A. Any person, who, by force, intimidation or deception… seizes, takes, transports, detains or secretes the person of another, with the intent to deprive such other person of his personal liberty or to withhold or conceal him (or her)…”
I agree with the posters whom noted the significance of “deception” being included therein, as it offers perspective on the term – I don’t think we had a brain-damaged Desperado cruising around at 9 o’clock with a wet rag of chloroform in his glove box. (Possible, sure – but not likely.)
In a suggested answer to your question, Judi -
“So…doesn’t this also blow LE’s HH’ing theory completely out of the water (we all knew from the beginning she wasn’t HH’ing)?”
No. It does not.
Until we know who was responsible for her death and, hopefully, what exact series of events led to it, we have no definitive answer as to how she disappeared that night – i.e, whether under her own volition or otherwise.
Even if she was HH, by law the person/s could have at some point abducted her. At the point where she is either intimidated or coerced-she was abducted.
well at anytime she wanted to leave the vehicle and couldnt it can be called kidnapping
I just have to say it. We do not know what happened to Morgan, but we are smart enough to surmise what most likely happened. After all, we have been following this case and reading EVERYTHING and then some about it. And it’s safe to say that most of us DO NOT think that she was HH. I sure don’t. I think she was on that bridge at some point, but I think she may have walked back into the lot and was abducted, or she could have been abducted right on the bridge. Like so many have said, she may have been told to meet the “seemingly safe” people on the bridge for a ride to a safe place to wait for the concert to end.
If I was locked out of the concert I had been waiting to see for six months I would be looking for anything to pass the time until my “friends” came out, and we could go home. Would I trust just anyone? No, not usually. But maybe if I was pissed at my friends, a little drunk, wet, cold and possibly drugged, then yeah, even I can see making that mistake. Especially if I recognized the people in the vehicle. The evening that started out so fun for her, was now a big, sucky, POS mess, and she needed somewhere warm and dry to wait it out and to think about why it all went so wrong. Morgan may have easily recognized some or all of the people in the car. After all, her brother had just graduated from UVA and she had gone to concerts there before and had visited her brother there. If these “people” that she may have recognized said they would take her to a party and would bring her back in time to leave with her friends, that may be what got her into their car. She probably figured out fairly quickly (unless she was under the influence of a date rape kind of drug), that things were not right, but at that point, it would have been too late.
Some safe looking athletes, college students, etc. may have been able to gain her trust, if only for the time needed to get her into their vehicle. Morgan may have seen it as a short diversion if they said she could party with their friends somewhere safe. She was cold, wet, tired, furious, sad, possibly drugged and no one would bring her the keys to her own g*d damn car to even wait it out in comfort. The arena personnel would not even let her sit it out in a safe, dry warm area inside-what in the hell else was she supposed to do? Sit slumped against the wall of the building for two hours?
Being mad and scared makes people do things they would normally not even think of doing. Seemingly nice, safe looking people trick vulnerable people every single day. She could have very easily been drugged inside or outside the arena. She could have very easily been abducted. Hell, people get shot to death at churches, what seems unlikely about abduction at a rock concert? I do not find that scenario unbelievable at all.
Could she have been HH-no one knows, but lets go with gut feelings here. Mine is, she was abducted in that lot, or on the bridge, her purse was dropped off later to bring focus to that area, so LE would waste LOTS of time checking that area out, instead of where she actually was. My money is still on LAX players until someone convinces me otherwise.
PS: If I was a young, college age person on a college campus, far from my home-who would seem safest to be with if I was stuck and needed some temporary help? Other college kids-I would deem them safe, as they are attending school and would need to not get in trouble so as to graduate. I might even feel safer yet, if they were in an athletic program of some sort because they are expected to follow rules to remain in that program. I would feel at least somewhat safe in trusting them, especially if I recognized them and they said they knew my brother who had gone to school there. Especially if they said they had hung out with him, or had classes with him, even if I didn’t know if that was the exact truth. I remember my college days-I hung out with way less trustworthy people all the time. Smart? No, but the norm for that age group.
There is a zero percent chance I believe Morgan Harrington was HH.
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