Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Grand Jury Meets, Indictment Imminent
Portland, OR- In the case of missing 7-year-old Portland child Kyron Horman, developments today continue to unfold at lightening speed.
During a poorly-kept secret convening of a special grand jury that is in session today, sources inside the investigation believe it’s triers of fact will return an indictment against Terri Horman and possibly one other individual.
It is however, unclear as to whether or not the grand jury is hearing evidence in the alleged murder for hire plot MCSO informed Kaine Horman his wife had master-minded, OR evidence surrounding the disappearance of Kaine and Desiree Young’s son Kyron.
KOIN caught Terri Horman’s friend DeDe Spicher, who was subpoenaed to appear in the proceedings this morning, on video with her attorney, entering the courthouse. Spicher was the subject of a public plea asking her to cooperate with investigators by Kaine Horman and Desiree Young last week. A neighbor of Spicher’s has confirmed the FBI has been seen removing boxes and unknown bagged material from her residence.
According to several sources, DeDe Spicher, Terri’s roommate post Kaine’s restraining order, was working in a garden near the Horman home the day of Kyron’s disappearance when she received a call at approximately 11:15 am. She left abruptly, returning at approximately 1:00 pm. DeDe was unreachable on her cell phone during that time and the property owner became concerned. Spicher is a long time friend and workout companion of Horman’s.
Earlier today, Laura Rackner, Kaine Horman’s Family Law attorney filed a motion to find out where the funds are coming from to foot the bill for Terri Horman’s high profile criminal defense attorney, Stephen Houze.
In Horman’s motion, he is seeking the disclosure of the payments made to Houze, and whether or not it came from marital funds. If it has, Kaine Horman wants half the cash to pay his own legal bills. Kaine Horman alleges that Terri Horman disclosed to a third party that she paid a whopping $350,000 retainer to Houze, however, provided no proof of same in the papers filed today.
In what appears to be a media timing coup, tonight’s episode of Dateline NBC will feature Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young, with interviews and coverage of Kyron’s disappearance.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office Public Information Officer, Mary Lindstrand, has announced a press conference tomorrow at the MCSO Training Facility, beginning at 2:00 pm PST.
blinkoncrime editor Madeline Tanner contributed to this report
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#3 Hulagirl says:
August 6, 2010 at 12:33 a,
RE:Besides Chelsea Aleshire, who were the other 2 friends of TH’s whom testified today? Anyone know?
Maybe DeDe finally testified? remember last week she never talked…
oh and get this.. the gal in the white sunglasses, Chelsea Aleshire, is about 22 yrs old.
This case is what brought me here to Blink on Crime. I am a newbie at this sleuthing/posting, but I must say it’s in my dna now. It seemed that nothing was going on here about an hour ago so I went to KATU.com. They are so far behind what Blink has brought to us here. And they censor you! They completely eliminate your post if they don’t think it’s appropriate. Someone jumped all over me and others who couldn’t help but notice that Terri’s friends are all… plump… with ginger-orange colored hair. I mean, come on, they are passionate about gardening and fitness????
You see, I think these arrogant “friends” care little about Kyron. So, they make me mad (pissed, which they censored) and I have to blow steam by saying they are plump…snarky…arrogant and seem to love the camera. Chelsea, oh that Chelsea. She is praying for the family. When asked if she is praying for Kyron, she says (paraphrasing), “Well, yes, he’s part of the family so I’m praying for the family.” Just can’t say it like we do – “I pray every day for Kyron’s safe return.”
Glad to be back here!
Andrea Leckey went GJ I never heard of her
a friend of Terri
Re: the burn phones.
I don’t see it as a big deal that LE might know who bought them. Why would they really? I mean, maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think they could check out who Terri was calling or read her texts (as they did on her old phone), because these phones probably don’t save texts. And if they do, I would figure that LE would not be able to access the data on the phones without some kind of warrant. They’re probably have a hard time getting one in that situation.
So, all in all, I think it looks REALLY bad that the phones were purchased for Terri; because she obviously has something to hide, with regards to whom she talks to and about what, since she won’t use her old phone. But, I don’t know that there’s anything LE can do to get their hands on the new phones. It’s bad for perception, but I don’t think it’s illegal.
I know, and it is sad. I intentionally posted her last name incorrectly to avoid that very problem.
B
Savryn says:
August 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Re: Oregonlive.com messageboards , which is also the site that Terri was was reported to have been confirmed as posting on in the past after Kyron’s disappearance. It seems that a small group of posters have created a decidedly pro-Terri atmosphere there. Could the posters that people are complaining about actually be law enforcement, trying to encourage Terri to talk?
Any thoughts? If its a public forum, they wouldn’t need to read her Miranda rights would they?
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I highly doubt the handful of posters are LE posing as Terri-fantatics in an effort to coax information. Huge waste of time. I would think it its the last place TH would reveal anything, since it is just that — a public forum. To answer your other question…Miranda rights only apply when a person is in police custody.
I’ve frequented the OL messageboards and am familiar with the group of Chatty Cathys that hang there. IMO, It’s hardly a pro-Terri atmosphere — just a handful of unhappy individuals that relish in the attention. In my mind, it explains why they are there everyday spouting pro-Terri sentiment. It sparks the constant loop of attention they so desperately seek while they banter on about something irrelevant for a few pages. I find it fascinating.
The other thing I find fascinating (and shocking) is the amount of internet gossip floating from the mouths of the extended circle like DDS’s cousin, Tom Jones on GLP. What a dolt. I don’t think TH or DDS have the balls to post online these days. Cyber-Forensics is going to definitely paint a broader picture, if collected.
New cell phones were purchased once shiet hit the fan, so I’m betting offline conversations were conducted on the phone and not online.
Savryn says:
August 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Savryn, the site that Terri was proven to have posted on was KATU another Oregon local news site. She posted under RDSQRL, a username that she used previously.
If you read the comments on Oregonlive, there are just a few that are so-called “pro-Terri”, and even then, some of those posters are on the fence, change positions, whatever. Most of the posts there are a small group of posters who chat (or argue) every day. Think of it as the local pub. What is most disturbing to me about it is that initially some claims were posted there and it is not clear what was simply innuendo, rumor, or what. I wish we knew which was true or false.
On the KATU video of Chelsea leaving the courthouse, a reporter says something like “innocent then?” “Still innocent?”. Chelsea looked shocked at first and then said something like “yeah still innocent”. Did anyone else hear that clearer than I did and know if they were asking about Chelsea or Terri?
My question is how would Chelsea Aleshire know LE was going down a wrong path…Hmmm?If she or any of the friends gave a phone that could not be traced; they are involved. Why would you give someone a phone who’s stepson is missing, an untraceable phone? I’m sticking to Kyron is being stashed by many people. Too many of her friends are being hauled into the GJ. The FBI and LE would not pull these people in and waste taxpayers money, if they know without a doubt; they are involved. These people are being questioned now, so that when an arrest is made and this goes to trial; they cannot perjure themselves after they took sworn testimony before the Grand Jury. My big question like everyone else is “Why is Kyron being stashed by so many?” I totally agree with “Rollermonkey”, I believe the Pumala’s are upto their heads in shit with this one! I’ve been researching the Pumala’s family and they have family in Tualatin,Bend, and Washington state.Ann Pumala leaves for Arizona the day he goes missing. Ann is Brian’s sister who lived with him at Sauvie Island.Tanner has information that doesn’t jive with news briefs. Grandma also could of cohersed what he said on TV.It all stinks to me. Kyron doesn’t deserve to be associated with TH or her lowlife friends, but I see a bigger “BOOM” coming.
@ 2.aibohphobia says:
August 5, 2010 at 3:24 pm http://www.katu.com/news/local/100010649.html
One woman called before the grand jury attended Terri’s 40th birthday party at a Mexican restaurant in March. She spent two and a half hours with jurors and prosecutors.
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Wow, that that photo up top was from MARCH. TH looks a tad dif now eh?
The link provided below is about the 3 friends who went before the GJ yesterday. If you read the article it seems they are people that TH knows that may have seen her that day. It sounds like they are laying ground work right now for their case.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100086609.html
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and his sister.
@ChiaPet517
I know Anselmo is in jail because I’ve seen his booking records. I know that a people database shows him related to 2 residents of the rental home Rudy gave as the principal street address of his business.
I don’t know whether Anselmo worked for Rudy or Terri or at Skyline school.
I don’t know whether Rudy is locked up. That is my assumption. No one has found booking records on him. They might be sealed. FBI might have him under wraps. Don’t know.
I don’t know how widely Blink’s work is known among locals. Here, adn elsewhere, locals only say they feel safe and they give theories based on the mass media statements by the bio parents, who have never mentioned Rudy or Anselmo or a landscaper (except for Kaine’s statement that he didn’t know they had one).
My concern is that locals have not looked deeply enough into this and that their kids could be more at risk than they know.
I would say that is a fair statement. Personally, I think the cameras being removed from the courthouse is about the landscaper testifying, or the DEA undercover agent.
B
@rollermonkey:
Yes, I think you have some good thoughts. Unfortunately, I don’t have any further info. relevant to them. I believe Tanner’s grandmother has brought more attention to herself than she would have if she’d stayed quiet.
I thought when I saw her and Tanner that she hoped she could sell her/Tanner’s story eventually. Didn’t buy her statement that she was defying LE in order to help Kyron.
@Savryn:
BINGO! I discussed this last night with my “sources” who have working relationships with FBI.
You said, about the posters at OL: “…Could the posters that people are complaining about actually be law enforcement, trying to encourage Terri to talk?”
My sources (NOT connected with this case) said FBI can/does use mass & social media this way. Just as they snare child predators by posing online as a child.
My sources also discussed how that could happen. A newspaper, ex, could allow FBI to post under a person’s account with the newspaper. They could use that and other electronic methods to make it appear to a sleuther that the posting was coming from the person’s IP and ISP. If they still had the person’s computer, then it’s even easier. And if no registration is required by the website, then anybody could post under someone’s name.
If a law enforcement agency is doing that in Ky’s case, it could be to gather more info. not just from TH or her friends, but from others who know something as well. And, like Kaine said, are afraid to come forward.
@Phyl:
Thanks for the belly laugh! I heard an ancient lady say once that she’d never considered divorce, but daily thought about murder. (My immediate thought was: sure hope her husband isn’t found dead and it wasn’t her. Because LE has NO sense of humor.)
Also, there’s a truism that says: If you say that you haven’t considered murdering your spouse, then you’re either a liar, a saint, or you have never been TRULY married.
Do we know at what point LE confiscated TH’s cell phone? I know LE was staying at the Horman’s home for awhile. Thought they might be asking her to stay off her phone in case “someone” they were interested in contacted her. ‘Cause she could sure tie up her line texting and talking and whatever.
I’m thinking we don’t know who was at large in those first few days or couple of weeks while LE was at the house. Nor do we know why LE was at the house (very unusual). They could even have been at the house when TH got a phone call from her landscaper(s)! Anselmo (whoever he is, Blink???) wasn’t arrested till July 8. Don’t know when Rudy surfaced. The locals weren’t looking for either of the landscapers during those first few weeks, IF they are now. Hmmmm…
@twinkletoes:
WTH have you been? This limb I’m out on is about to break.
I don’t think that what has been described as a “circus-like” atmosphere surrounding the parents is a negative thing. I think the attention and the scrutiny is part of trying to find The Truth.
If people act like clowns, well, then we’re going to have a circus. Eccentric behavior will always draw the public’s attention during an investigation. Odd behavior might also point the way to Kyron.
Hulagirl writes: “another red head…”
Jeez. What’s with all the Venetian redheads? I feel like I’m in a Titian painting, except all the women are–ya know–ugly.
Now now.
B
@Shelbar,
I think there is alot of truth to what you are saying. To me it is obvious TH cared nothing for Kyron. He was just a tool to get her what she wanted at the time which was Kaine. Then she didn’t want him anymore either. What is truly sad in this story is that I think TH thought doing away with this child would be nothing but a blip on the radar. It has also been said that she had Kiara to hold onto Kaine because she thought he was having an affair with another woman. I don’t think she ever envisioned how much the public would be affected by this darling little boy. What she wanted to be rid of the rest of the world has embraced and held onto for dear life. Sadly I don’t think this will end well either.
Andrea Leckey was the other friend named to be testifying before the GJ. Another woman connected to the 24 Hour Fitness in Beaverton.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Two-of-Terri-Hormans-friends-appear-before-grand/2Ls683NdO0mfFAKnUn2ZHQ.cspx
She is named here, but no photos or quotes from her in the article, only from Chelsea Aleshire
I found this interesting. Taken from Katu’s forum: http://www.katu.com/news/local/100086609.html#idc-cover
This lady, Andrea Leckey, is the second friend, of Terri, that was in front of GJ today. Interesting that she was in the news back in March of this year, when she witness gunshots in Forest Park. Since there is no video of her today, you can see her at this link.
http://southwestportland.katu.com/content/officer…
@Phyl
please add antidepressants taken daily to your list
PS..what can I do about the snoring??
LOL
Mermaid14 Aug. 6 – @10:28 a.m. – I totally agree with you on this one. We can talk “sociopath”, “narcissistic” etc. all we want, but to me the bottom line is that there was “perceived betrayal” for TH on the part of KH in their marriage, and Kyron became a weight and also a leverage that she hoped would fit into her devious plans for whatever she wanted to achieve in her destruction of Kaine. She is callous and impulsively vengeful in her actions and she doesn’t care at all about this little boy. She would be on her destructive mission to this day if the heat wasn’t on her. She has not gotten this out of her system. She is enjoying every minute watching KH and DY squirm and anquish over the disappearance of Kyron. Well – I’ll tell you what would take the wind out of her sails – a full blown arrest with NO BAIL. That would bring her to reality. It also makes all her “supporters” stand up and take notice. A murder charge or kidnapping charge with no bail means serious business and her supporters will spill what they know and what they’ve been holding back all this time. The wheels of justice are moving very slowly in this case. Sometimes that is what it takes to ensure a conviction.
I’ve got a lot of backreading to do here since I’ve been gone for a few days. Blink, I caught the radio show. Great work, as always!
Still have couple questions bothering me and a thought on LE posing as TH and/or her friends:
1. The Truck. I can’t stop thinking there is more to the “reason” TH needed the truck that day. Did she need it to get to a certain area easier? Maybe her car wouldn’t have made it to this spot? She also took the truck the day before (Thurs). She didn’t P/U the science project which is the “reason” she gave KH for needing it. More to this story…
2. I keep reading where people think KH had an affair. He said this was not true in one of the interviews. However, TH had an affair while she was married to her prior husband – Since the LS didn’t help her with the MFH and he evidently didn’t go along with her “advances”, like she made to MC (nice way to put it, huh?) maybe she felt unattractive and BLAMED KH for this. TH seems to have some MAJOR mental issues and this just might have pushed her overboard. Could this have been the catalyst down that dark path she is on?
3. LE posting. I think TH and her “friends” are still out there and posting like mad. Perhaps, LE is also but, I don’t think they are posing as her or her friends. My reasoning is TH and “friends” most likely read these posts daily. If they saw where someone was posing as one of them (knowing each other’s handle – not sure what the term is for website users since I am a Newbie), I think they would call BS on the “imposters” and write about it. Just MHO.
4. DDS. Where did she go that day? Did TH pick her up (since DDS was already working next door to TH home that day). What did TH need her for? Did DDS “step-in” for TH at the fitness facility? Did DDS drive the truck somewhere and drop TH off at the fitness facility? This is another key piece of the puzzle. We know DDS left without telling anyone and left her phone. Did she know they might be able to trace her phone? Her father is a police officer after all…you do learn a lot of “things” by having LE in the family (I am married to one).
Just a couple of questions I still think might be important to this case.
Thanks for hearing me out.
Susan
Thank God, the missing 5 yr old was found safe:
http://www.katu.com/news/100006094.html
@phyl, along with kuaitzudog’s anti-depressants ya might wanna add some mydol in that list.
@beejay, your not out on that limb alone. I’ve been reading your posts for awhile now and I for one appreciate the way you look at the information that is available and not jump to conclussions. There’s “guilt”, then theres “guilty without REASONABLE doubt”…and I think you know the difference.
@all, what I like about this board is that, for the most part, we are free to banter back and forth ideas and theories about what we think happened to this poor child, sometimes we vent our frustration on here as well. For myself I’ve decided on a new “mantra”….scroll and roll, thanks Blink!
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
@Michelle: I wondered the same about Chelsea thinking LE was going down the wrong path, but after reading the letter from the lady that owns the farm DeDe wanted to intern at, I’m wondering if she meant that they were going down the wrong path wanting answers from Chelsea.
17.beejay says:
August 6, 2010 at 9:52 am
@twinkletoes:
WTH have you been? This limb I’m out on is about to break.
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Sorry beejay, somehow all my trials landed around the same time. Darn day job.
But, I am back and I still say TH didn’t kill/kidnap Kyron (make room on the limb). With all due respect to LE, I think LE has followed the wrong leads so long, they are afraid to turn back. But turn back they must if they are going to figure out what happened to Ky. There is plenty wrong in the life of TH and her buddies, I am sure, but I think she has told all she knows of Ky’s disappearance. She may be protecting herself from a MFH charge (which she damn well should, impo) but none of us know that for certain. In terms of what happened to Ky, I am thinking we need to go back to the school and the electrical exhibit.
And I keep reading posts of people saying TH wanted to get rid of Ky and that she never anticipated the publicity. She is clearly a thinking person. There are much better plans for makign someone disappear if that is your intent–especially a small curious child with a love of frogs. There is a whole lot we don’t know here and I think the only thing we can count on is being very surprised by the eventual resolution of this case.
And no, SS, I am not TH.
And very sad news about little Emmett Trapp. :O( His body was found a mile from his home. Poor baby.
http://www.michellesigona.com/2010/08/two-toddlers-missing-in-arizona/
Concerning the KATU video of Chelsea Aleshire leaving the courthouse;
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100086609.html?
MissMonkey, the reporter asked, “Are you innocent, then?”
Chelsea’s response is proclaiming her own innocense.
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Michelle says:
August 6, 2010 at 7:33 am
My question is how would Chelsea Aleshire know LE was going down a wrong path…Hmmm?
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In a written article on KPTV.com it says;
“Aleshire said she spoke with Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared, but that the conversation took place before Terri Horman knew Kyron had vanished from Skyline School. She said the two women have not spoken since then.
“I can’t tell you what happened (in the grand jury) but I can tell you that you guys are going down a dead end,” Aleshire said. “She was my friend and I talked to her that day as a friend and that’s all.”
http://www.kptv.com/news/24531499/detail.html
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I actually feel bad for friends of Terri (or anyone) called to testify who may not have anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance. There is very little they can say when confronted by a throng of reporters that will not be picked apart by the public.
Note that Chelsea spoke to Terri on June 4th before Kyron was reported missing and that she has not talked to Terri since. I think she is refering to the media when she said; “…you guys are going down a dead end.” She is speaking to the guys present; the press, not refering to LE.
Chickel, I think you’re right, as you wrote; “If you read the article it seems they are people that TH knows that may have seen her that day. It sounds like they are laying ground work right now for their case.”
Following the “stashed him” line of thought, coupled with the odd activities in the very early days of law enforcement being present in the home 20 hours a day, what if the child was a witness to something or was somehow a target and he has indeed been secreted somewhere for his safety? I don’t know but there is something very unusual about this case. It just does not read right. The sticking points for me continue to be the failed attempt at a sting, TH’s acceptance of KH’s RO and custody of the baby w/o, as far as we know, any fight, the purported race around SI and the seemingly abrupt shift by KH and DY as to their concerns about TH. Could be completely wrong and I will own it if I am.
SS, I don’t know if there are people here posting on Terri’s behalf. Maybe, maybe not. I believe Blink has said before that Terri does read here.
I’m not sure posting time says much. There are likely people from all over, with all different employment situations; so postings may be scattered.
Personally, I think it’s natural to wonder. Terri has shown herself to have been out there trying to influence people (her posts on KATU); so it’s not outside the realm of possibility that her friends could be here and elsewhere trying to do the same. Doesn’t seem like a very smart idea to me, what with the GJ stuff going on right now; but not everyone possesses common sense.
I’ll admit, when I read the posts where people think Terri had nothing to do with this, I’m surprised. From my point of view, it’s blatantly obviously that she did this: she had means and opportunity; and she’s the only one we know of who had motive. Throw in the discrepancies in her timeline, the MFH plot, her silence, the sexting, etc. And to me it’s a forgone conclusion.
However, everyone is entitled to their opinions, and while I might not understand how some arrived at them; it does give me a change to think about this case in a way that I otherwise might not have.
Blink, do you think that since the GJ stuff has commenced, and her friends are being brought in, that nullifies any possibility that Houze will provide Terri for some sort of media interview? I know we have speculated here that he was lining things up for her, likely to make money to pay for her defense; and yet no Terri. I’m thinking, if she was going to talk, we’d have heard it by now…
Today as I drove into work my heart just ached for DY. Can you imagine driving into work, sitting at your desk and working for your paycheck while your son was missing!!! That your little boy being missing could be integrated into your normal routine. God bless her. The reality of life is just cruel.
God, could you imagine TH teaching little children???? And her friends?? If Terri isn’t involved, if her friends know whe wasn’t involved – why don’t they encourage her to tell what she knows and let the investigation go down a different path. There is a reason that lawyer won’t let her talk…and that breaks my heart.
I saw how that little 5yr old was found at the park and I’m hoping the same for Kyron.
I’ve noticed that at least one poster keeps referring to Kyron’s “brothers and sister.” I thought Kyron only had one brother. Is there something we’re missing?
If law enforcement learned anything that would help them prosecute Terry during the time they were staying at the residence, isn’t that going to cause problems for the prosecution? If they were there to observe he under some other pretense isn’t it like searching without a search warrant?
I agree with those that think CA meant her remark “barking up the wrong tree” was in reference to the media thinking she had anything to do with what TH did or did not do that day. The link I posted earlier has video with it, to me it looks like this person doesn’t want to be drawn into this particular circle or “friends” that may indeed know something.
The prosecutor is going to take June 4th and lay out for the GJ exactly what TH did that day to the best of his or her ability, this will lead up to whatever the prosecution thinks or can prove happened to Kyron that day and the person(s) responsible. If the GJ thinks the prosecution has enough evidence then they will vote to for indictment of the person(s) and move forward to trail.
Now I need Twinkletoes to see if I’m on the right track!
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
This is a video from March with Andrea Leckey. http://southwestportland.katu.com/content/officer-involved-shooting-reported-hoyt-arboretum
I forget who asked why LE would be staying at the house initially and my best guess is because of possible call for ransom.
I thought it was interesting that one of the friends was testifying and two others were only with the prosecutor. Sounds like pleading the fifth/making a deal to me when I hear that.
I think it is interesting that Chelsea is reported as working at the gym and is also one of Terris “Friends”. It seems presumptuous on her part to say they are going down the wrong path. What does she really know? Or, is she referring to the theories that Terri had Dede step in at the gym and Chelsea knows that wasnt true? (Then again, the report said Terri called her that day to talk to her as just a friend…..would one read that to mean that she wasn’t at work that day and didnt see Terri at the gym? Which gym did she work at?)
IF anyone can answer I would like to know, as someone else asked: when it comes to the GJ, if they find they dont have enough evidence to hand down an indictment and decide at a later point they would like to try to present the evidence again, can they do that or is it a case of “double jeopardy”?
I wonder why the Wed. deadline. What if new evidence comes out in the case and they want to investigate further?
@Annals: Thank you!! I have two sick toddlers here and instead of driving them around the back roads I decided to let them sleep as much as they could and as such, had to have the volume down
I read (just before I went to bed)about the discovery of little Emmett Trapps body,face down in the mud, and the statement that he wandered around for 3-4 miles disoriented, barefoot, partially clad, trying to find his way home. OMG the vison haunted me. Can you even imagine? An adult would be frightened, let alone a 2YO.
Then I thought about Kyron and if he is alive, what he might be experiencing, and needless to say, I did not sleep well.He had wandered away from home previously..no dead bolt locks??
What is it about all of these little children wandering away from their homes, camps, stores,etc.,don’t people watch their little kids like hawks anymore? Where are their caretakers?
Another 2YO girl lost camping I believe in FL, found her the next day at the edge of a fishing pond?
Aleshire said she spoke with Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared, but that the conversation took place before Terri Horman knew Kyron had vanished from Skyline School. She said the two women have not spoken since then.
I wonder who called who on this day and how often were they in contact prior to that day? No contact at all since then? Perhaps TH called so that there would be another alibi?
Aiding and abetting; Who in their right mind would purchase a throw away phone for someone (even if they were a friend or family member) who was being investigated for a serious crime against a child? Dede especially (I’m presuming it was her) should know better than that….she grew up with a dad in LE. I wonder if she is going for immunity now. Is there any way to track calls made from these phones?
Chelsea apparently works at a gym, THs gym?
video of Andrea Leckey(unrelated(to Kyron) incident)
http://southwestportland.katu.com/content/officer-involved-shooting-reported-hoyt-arboretum
23.kuaitzudog asked:
PS..what can I do about the snoring??
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Kuaitzudog,
A tazor fixes THAT problem. (evil smile)
Chelsea may not have “spoken” directly with TH since the day Kyron disappeared, but she did *post* on TH’s Facebook wall at least twice after Kyron vanished. Who knows how many private electronic messages were exchanged while face-to-face speaking never occurred. Semantics.
Is Cherlyn Guido’s spouse named Craig? Where was his post? Why is Cherlyn so upset with this site re: that post?
Twinkletoes,
It appears you have laid out a good argument for the defense.
Consider this … we know that TH lives her life “out there”. She posts pictures and her day’s events on facebook and has dozens and dozens of “friends”. She text/sexts maybe even more often than FB. She emails(on a regular basis) Kyron’s activities multiple times a day to the mother in Medford. She has friends to come and stay with her when in distress (even people she didn’t know before like MC), buy her cell phones and continue to support her even though their lives are being scrutinized as well … contrast this against the person/s who took Kyron … did so without being seen or heard, without leaving a trail or evidence (that we know of), disappeared Kyron so deeply that a dozen professionl agencies cannot find him or even determine what happened to him (that we know of) … this person is not Terri Horman. I don’t know what Terri did, but SHE didn’t take Kyron.
i have two really profound (NOT) comments to make today.
one, if i was a friend of terri horman, i would not be typing jack-u-no-whut on these sites supporting her for fear of being traced and chased down by LE to receive the third degree. i think i would almost feel guilty for knowing her in some strange way.
two, i think TH is guilty as hell so dont read this as supporting her at ALL, BUT, depending on when these cell phones were obtained for her, i dont think it’s toooooo hinky. i mean, remember, she has conned a whole helluva lotta people, including her husband, into thinkin’ she was one great gal. i think early on her friends getting her a phone so she could have an ounce of privacy wouldnt be THAT odd to ask for …. and comply with…you know, under the guise of she was just being scrutizined cuz she was the parent, last one to see, blah blah…i can’t even make a damn phone call… when it was announced that she was not passing lie detectors, when the other parents removed themselves from her, when the MFH plot came out, etc etc, well then, that’s a horse of a different color. if it was early on, i dont think those people would have felt they were participating in something nefarious.
@worried mom, I keep posting that remark. DY has another son beside Kyron, older sibling that lives with his father, TH has an older son as well that lives with, well I’m not sure who he lives with now, he went to live with his grandparents at the beginning of the year, and I’m not sure if he’s still there. I include TH’s older son as a brother as he was in the home since Kyron was a baby…or a little toddler, which ever report is correct. I feel so bad for these kids and I pray for them when I pray for Kyron.
IMHO and MOO…those four kids, Kyron, his brothers and sister are the only innocent people in this whole mess. God Bless ‘em.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
Thank you Twinkletoes!!!! I have said all along that TH didn’t do this to Kyron. I’ve also stated that I thought she did when people have me convinced otherwise. You’ve brought me back to my senses. What everlivin purpose would she have to get rid of him? No reason what so ever. She wasn’t looking so down trodden and all beat up because of having to take care of kids. Something else that she felt was a tragedy in her life (sending her son away, poss. divorce?) damaged her spirits and appears to have broken her mentally. I think if she did away with Kyron she would’ve been thinking way ahead and had her child glued to her and a poss. get away plan because (if she was thinking)she surely would’ve known that all finger would be pointing at her. Remember she’s a big fan of CSI, crime blogs, etc.. She would have mental notes from those shows, lol. She may very well have been involved with a man from/worked the school in some form that targeted her just because of Kyron or he was rejected and retaliated. Who knows, but I too think LE has TerriTunnelVision and should have been following leads from within the school and even further out. The time she spent riding around?…affair, looking at apartments/homes to move to, trying to open new accounts/transfer money, consulting divorce atty., etc., things to start a new life? I just don’t believe she did it.