Kyron Horman Missing: Case Review And Birthday Wishes To The Frog Prince
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On what is Kyron Horman’s 8th Birthday, the Skyline School, where Kyron was scheduled to begin the third grade, is buzzing with the start of the years activities without him.
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In response to the disappearance and presumed abduction of the bespectacled herpetologist; Skyline has implemented a myriad of mandatory safety features as well as a state of the art security camera system. While complete with facial recognition capability, one face it will not be recognizing today, is that of Kyron Horman.
Although missing since the morning of June 4, 2010, there have been no updates from the many State and Federal agencies participating in the criminal investigation of his disappearance since August 12, 2010.
Adding to the mounting concern about the status of Kyron’s fate are the words of his own parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young.
“The police will not stop until they find Kyron and the harder they have to search–the harder this will get for you,” wrote Young. “You will go to jail and whoever has been helping you will have to talk police or they will go to jail.”
It is clear from Kaine and Desiree’s comments that they believe Terri Horman, Kyron’s step mom, is at least partially responsible for Kyron vanishing. While they stop short of naming any possible accomplices, Rod Underhill, the chief deputy district attorney of Multnomah County, Captain Jason Gates, Detective Bob O’Donnell of the Multnomah County Sheriff Office have sought the publics help to flush them out. Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans’ extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared. In what was characterized as a slip-up, methinks that that Kyron’s Mom told us that someone was actually Kyron.
While Terri Horman is holed up at her parents newly refinanced home in Roseburg and under the mortgage-sized retainer protection of Stephen Houze; she is awaiting the September 21st contempt hearing for allegedly violating an order that she not disclose the “sealed” reasoning for, or contents of, the current restraining order in effect against her.
Accomplice, Witness, Opportunist or Collateral Damage?
Rodolfo “Rudy” Estrada Sanchez
When reached at one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website declined to comment to blinkoncrime.com and the number has since been disconnected.
Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a close family friend who has since been interviewed by the FBI, has confirmed that Terri Horman is pointing her finger directly at Sanchez. She has also stated that she and Sanchez had an altercation after she attempted to end their relationship in May which ended in a 911 call and a visit from Clackamas County Sheriff Office in the presence of Sanchez’s wife and children. While it did not result in any charges, Horman told the source that the landscaper was furious with her because he is not in the US legally. While blinkoncrime.com has not been able to verify the date of the alleged 911 call, we have been able to verify that Terri called her Mother immediately following the incident and told her that Kaine had found out about the landscaper she hired to do what she referred to as “her yardwork” and when she informed him that she could no longer use him because Kaine was making her fire him, he lunged at her with Kiara in her arms. Kaine Horman denies the couple ever hired the landscaper as well as any previous information as to his estranged wife’s possible dealings with Sanchez.
It should be noted that Mr. Sanchez has not been charged with any crime in this matter and local references to his business are highly complimentary. In fact, Jean Ann Van Krevelen a friend and “mentor” of Dede Spicher has used RS Landscape Maintenance on a few occasions, leaving positive reviews on the ServiceMaster listing which deleted his business from the site on 6/21/10. Heather Walters, owner of Rosemont Farm,which is not West Wind Farm, where Dede Spicher was working the morning of June 4th and out of reach by phone from approximately 90 minutes, has never met Terri Horman or heard of their family prior to Kyron’s disappearance. When I asked her if she knew Rudy Sanchez or if she ever hired his firm to work at WWF, she replied “not that I recall, no, but we did have a blackberry clean up a few years ago so it is possible.”
Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez
Or has he?
Although records indicate that he was placed under post probation supervision by ICE on February 19, 2010, according to Mr. Sanchez-Sanchez Federal criminal docket after being “found in the US and apprehended” in August 2009” following a previous deportation in 2003, he was “administratively arrested” on February 23, 2010. A Federal Grand Jury’s subsequent indictment was issued on March 4 and he was immediately incarcerated.
Mr. Sanchez-Sanchez rap sheet includes convictions for rape, failure to register as a sex offender and a host of probation and parole violations prior to his deportation.
In what can only be categorized as a bizarre coincidence, Oregon BOP VINE network shows that on June 26, 2010, they very day of the “sting” involving Rudy Sanchez, Anselmo was transferred and released to “community supervision”. There is no record of either his transfer or his booking by MCSO July 8th on his docket. What is reflected on the record for June 21st, is the US Marshall Service requested a rescheduling of his plea hearing on July 1st - July 12th directly with the presiding judge outside of his Federal appointed defense attorney. Yep. Exparte. Mr. Sanchez attorney Allison Clark used the 7/12/10 court date to file a motion to quit the case. They have subsequently worked through their differences and were scheduled to appear yesterday, but a 4th continuance in the case was granted to reschedule for October 7, 2010. In that motion, Ms. Clark asserts that Mr. Sanchez has been in custody the entire time but that his records are difficult to retrieve so more time to prepare for trial is necessary. I’ll say.
Dede Spicher
Doppelganger. Organic Gardner. Jilted girlfriend and support network for Terri Horman.
Up until a few weeks ago, she was also very much the object of accusation by Desiree Young and Kaine Horman, as well as the investigators assigned to Kyron’s case. So much so, they released a flyer featuring the ginger ladies and the infamous white truck. LE has subsequently backed off of Spicher and publicly stated they do not believe it was her in the white truck in the lot of the Skyline School. Dede’s father is a semi-retired Klamath County Sheriff deputy. If it can be confirmed Spicher knew Kyron was missing on June 4th we have a very big problem.
Blinkoncrime.com is in receipt of a private post through a mutual friend of Dede’s in response to an article about Kyron’s disappearance from the school which was post on June 4th at 11:40PM
Spicher responded on June 5 at 7:44am: Holy Crap! I KNOW this boy!
Mutual Friend, June 5, 1:35PM: no way???!!! Really Dede?
Spicher: yes. My friend Terri is the step-mother mentioned in the article. It’s so shocking when something like this hits so close to home. < ?xml:namespace prefix ="" v />
Michael Cook
The source of both information for the contempt filing and hundreds of sexts exchanged between he and Terri Horman following Kaine Horman’s filing for divorce and leaving the marital residence as advised by MCSO, Michael Cook was a high school classmate of Kaine Horman.
Mr. Cook is also one smarmy dude if his former spouse Shannon has anything to say about it.
Oddly, blinkoncrime.com has learned from an inside source that Cook was not called before the grand jury to testify. In the instant action for contempt, Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner specifically references the “sexting” and the text regarding Houze’s fee as information provided by law enforcement.
So, was he acting as an agent for le or is he himself under investigation?
Jason Wishert
William Jason Wishert is undoubtedly wishing he had not interjected himself in this case. Apparently new to the blogosphere via a request from Maxine Bernstein of the Oregonian, Mr. Wishert took to what he saw as his *nuveau*cause*celeb* status with moxy.
That was until he announced his appearance on the scaredmonkeys.net forum to answer questions about the case and cry the blues when he accused the Oregonian of using his rough notes to skewer Dede Spicher. According to Wishert the “not a lot of kissing but plenty of telling” memo was not supposed to be published. About 3 minutes into his introduction to his “sleuthing public” Wishert was asked why he spelled his name incorrectly and if he was indeed the son of convicted child porn possessor William Kent Wishart. In a really bad move, Mr. Wishert denied the allegation and retreated with his tail somewhere on his person.
Kent Wishart, former CEO of Graphic Sciences, is in Federal Custody for the next 4 years for possession of child porn and engaging in a file sharing subscription for same. Jason’s brother Grant is an employee of GS. All three Wishert’s hold numerous active and inactive business licenses throughout Oregon and Washington. Graphic Sciences has a Mexican affiliate office.
Both Jason and his brother James Grant have had numerous legal entanglements (editor’s note: say it just like Chief Margie with the flat “a”) and our attempts to substantiate Jason’s claims about court appointed child advocacy certifications have yet to be confirmed.
However, with his Uncle John Kerr, Jason Wishert is heavily involved in the Friends of Pimpollo Charity which sponsors various children issues and an orphanage in Mexico. FOP is a verified charity with a 50% tax deduction rate according to IRS Publication 78 in good standing, but they are years behind in their annual reporting.
Birthday Boy and America’s Frog Prince
Today, Kyron Horman’s eigth birthday, may not bring us any closer to where our frog prince is, but we do wish to extend our thoughts and prayers in celebration of his special day to his parents, friends and family. There are 2 celebrations for Kyron today. The picture below is an image of the birthday invitation chosen by his Mom, Desiree Young, and designed by scaredmonkeys poster Brandi.
Images by Klaasend
Jason Mateos, Madeline Tanner, and Laura Cincaid contributing editors to this report
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lyla says:
October 6, 2010 at 5:09 pm
@42.FLGirl says:
October 6, 2010 at 1:37 pm
“Maybe I’m all alone here, but yeah, that’s the way I feel about it it. And despite my own personal dislike for Terri and her behavior; I think that the only way that Kyron could’ve been alive still, was if Terri was the one who left with him and handed him off. If it was a stranger abduction or revenge abduction (which I don’t believe for a minute), Kyron didn’t stand a chance.”
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So Desiree doesn’t believe Terri handed him off..right? If so, what could she possibly be thinking TH did with him?
I think Ky was set up by Terri and he either went with her or TH arranged to have someone be at the school (known to Ky)to pick him up on the pretense of a Drs. appt. Either way, what would be the motive other than wanting him out of her hair? If he indeed left with TH and she handed him off chances are nil he’s alive no matter who hands he ended up in.
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Oh, I’m not saying I think Kyron is alive. Sadly, I think he’s not. I’m just saying that I disagree with the premise that Terri did not lure Kyron outside and facilitate whatever happened to him. I.E., I don’t believe he just happened to be taken for ransom or to pay Terri back. Some have suggested Terri was blindsided at school, and that Kyron was grabbed by perhaps Rudy or someone else that Terri wronged. I don’t believe that whatsoever; I believe this was part of Terri’s plan from the beginning.
And though I don’t know Desiree, nor her private thoughts, what I ‘get’ from her words is the idea that she does in fact think Terri arranged this and was a full and willing participant. I feel that Desiree might want to let Terri think that Desiree believes Terri didn’t set out to harm Kyron (as in kill), but that she had a plan that got away from her with ‘unintended consequences’.
Again, I don’t believe Kyron is still alive. However, I think there had been a much better chance for him to be alive if someone who allegedly cared for him and helped in raising him, had been the catalyst for his abduction; as opposed to a random stranger, or a person out for revenge. In theory, Terri taking Kyron and doing something with him, is more likely he’s alive; than some S.O., or someone looking for payback against Terri. I’m sure all of us would like to believe that Terri would have a hard time killing Kyron or arranging for him to be killed, since she was his mom on a daily basis; whereas, a random stranger… means someone who doesn’t care about Kyron or what happens to him.
@ Lyla- If Desiree was told that last Friday morning, I am guessing that explains her somewhat uncontrolled plea for more information and a higher reward. Hearing that LE had lost their hope in finding Kyron alive just had to have killed her. I look forward to following the divorce proceedings today. I am very intrigued to hear if more information about TH’s past relationships. Specifically wondering if we will learn any more new names that could lead us down an entirely new path.
@lyla
Interesting – that article has been re-written and no longer says that it is a recovery effort. I saw it when you linked it earlier, but it has been changed now, the headline says: Source: Search to Continue this weekend… strange.
In regards to the $350K TH allegedly paid to secure her lawyer Houze. I am wondering if she paid a fee now for his legal advice, but had to sign something that stated if the trial went to court it would cost up to $350K. The reason I ask is that when I was younger I made a poor decision and drove drunk. My lawyer charged a fee for all of the pre-trial hearings, legal advice etc. My fee was covered in the initial payment. However, on the paperwork it clearly stated that this initial fee did not cover the costs for my lawyer if my case were to go to court. With that being said, maybe TH hasn’t paid the $350K yet- in that case Kaine is chasing a nonexistant source because it has not come into play yet.
Divorce hearing today…
“Terri Horman says in filings that she will agree to a dissolution of her marriage, but is asking Judge Meisenheimer to delay resolution of other issues, such as financial settlements.”
Why would she ask for such a delay?
KoinLocal still says that it is a recovery effort on their twitter, account though…http://twitter.com/KOIN_Local_6
I forgot to add one portion it stated that an extremely higher dollar amount if the case did go to court. Meaning the paperwork could state if TH were to go to trial and Houze were to represent her it would cost a fee of $350K.
@FLGirl says
“Oh, I’m not saying I think Kyron is alive. Sadly, I think he’s not. I’m just saying that I disagree with the premise that Terri did not lure Kyron outside and facilitate whatever happened to him. I.E., I don’t believe he just happened to be taken for ransom or to pay Terri back. Some have suggested Terri was blindsided at school, and that Kyron was grabbed by perhaps Rudy or someone else that Terri wronged. I don’t believe that whatsoever; I believe this was part of Terri’s plan from the beginning.”
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Thanks for the reply FLGirl…I agree. JMO Kyron was the one who was blindsided…makes me ill. TH..motive(s)?…any ideas?
50.Annie says:
October 7, 2010 at 11:52 am
@lyla
Interesting – that article has been re-written and no longer says that it is a recovery effort. I saw it when you linked it earlier, but it has been changed now, the headline says: Source: Search to Continue this weekend… strange.
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WHY do these reporters continue to change the wording of their stories? I can just imagine the behind the scenes conversations in these newsrooms. I think the reporters are just as frustrated as we are.
@B
I am not satisfied he has been Id’d at all. He may have, but does it bother anyone else that there are several Skyline parents on here, and none of them have said.. O that’s so and so, he is (redacted) Dad.
B
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Now that you mentioned it..yes.
I am confused (not surprising) about the “mystery man” in the photo that Mayor Sam Adams tweeted about. I remember LE stating that they know who this person is and he is not a person of interest. So I started searching for the story. What I turned up was a link on FB referring to the story, but when you click on the link, it redirects you to a different story.
http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=125336750831264&share_id=132570753439082&comments=1#s132570753439082
Notice the posting dated June 24 that says:
“Sheriff’s Office knows ‘mystery man’ in photo
http://www.koinlocal6.com
The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office said it knows the identity of the man in a photo with Kyron Horman’s sciece project. He has been interviewed and is not a person of interest.”
Click on the link at it takes you to a different koinlocal6 story..? I can’t find the article on the koin website even when I search directly for the headline.
So are people thinking that the mystery man IS a person of interest or is there some other point that I am not getting with all the talk about the Mayor’s tweet?
Brace yourselves, this is a long one…
IMHO we know who took Ky from the school that day and it was RS. The following info. and Blink quotes have led me to this belief:
He drove/drives a white Ford truck similar to KH’s
He knew Ky from home and school, therefore Ky trusted him, and he lured him outside to the truck without any fuss from Ky.
He was familiar with the school, routines, etc. because he had worked there
He was familiar to many of the students, faculty and parents at Skyline because he had worked there, therefore his presence would not be suspicious and perhaps would go “unnoticed” in the chaos of the SF (all of which provided him the opportunity)
He had plenty of motives: Canceled MFH, uproar at his home due to TH calling LE (which may have resulted in the discovery of other criminal activities, the departure of his wife and kids IF Elsy is indeed his wife, and his family/associates being put under a microscope by LE), his sexual relationship/motivation with TH.
He has not been back at Skyline since June 4th
He cooperated in the MFH sting, has testified before GJ, and has now “disappeared”
He is the ONLY PERSON involved in this mess that the media cannot/has not tracked down and hounded to death
IMOO: His and/or TH’s and/or Ky’s cell phone pings placed him and/or them at Sauvie Island on June 4th, he is under a sealed indictment, he has cut a deal with LE and the DA to plea for a lesser charge(s). He may have:
1. handed Ky off to someone else (perhaps a recently released jail inmate or associate of AS) either at the school or elsewhere, that person is now in custody and has given LE info. as to where Ky is OR
2. he may have told LE whom and where he handed Ky to (on Sauvie Island?), LE cannot find this person, and they are searching surrounding areas based on same OR
3. done something with Ky himself and is finally coming clean about it (IMO this one is doubtful as I agree with Blink that RS did not want to get “ his own hands dirty”, but in the end he virtually did anyway)
Furthermore, IMO Ky’s glasses were taken away from him immediately so he could not see and were used as part of a ransom plot which was a ploy to buy time & throw LE off track, and was never intended to be carried out. RS had to have known that Ky would not be returned because Ky could identify him as the person that lured him out of the school. TH’s culpability is that she let the vampires in, initiated a MFH plot, and failed to inform LE of what she knew and her previous actions when Ky went missing. IMO it is entirely possibly that she was informed of his abduction via note, text or phone call that day and failed to notify LE of same. IMO defense atty. SH knows this therefore neither he nor TH know where Ky is, may also believe he is deceased, and therefore SH has not/is not making any statements and is not allowing TH to do or say anything without his approval and guidance. IMO it is entirely possible TH is under a sealed indictment as well.
The following are my snips and quotes, some may be out of order date wise:
July 15, 2010 at 1:13 pm RE: AS
His warrant is from US Marshalls. You can assume there is more going on. B
July 16, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Blink, if you will tell me Kyron is on Sauvie Island, I will stop wasting my time trying to figure out where else he may be.
It is my opinion, Kyron is in that vicinity. B
July 17, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Blink, If you were guessing, who would be your biggest FOCUS?
Rudy Sanchez and his associates. B
melissab says:
July 18, 2010 at 9:18 am (snipped)
Blink tell me if I am wrong but wasn’t it you who said to look out for the person who has NOT been at Skyline since Kyron’s disappearance? I apolly if I got that wrong.
If it were a possible faculty member or someone working onsite who no longer was, in that context, yes. B
snapoutofit says:
July 30, 2010 at 1:01 am
(snipped) Here’s some “hearsay” I found on the local KATU Internet comment section tonight:
Goodnessme 1p
“I happen to know the poor landscaper that was thrown into the middle of this plot.
You have got to be kidding me.
That was written by his wife, lol. However, it states Rudy knows Kyron and went on to describe him.
Oh, and PS, NEVER MENTIONS THE STING Mr. Sanchez agreed to.
Can I tell you how tired I am of being told I got something wrong and never an example or link proving otherwise?
B
This jury was convened for this case. While there is not “secret arrests”, there are plenty of sealed indictments without immediate arrest warrants.
B
8/21/10 – We agree on Terri being the catalyst, but I am not at all in the zip code of her orchestrating this at this time.
B
carson says:
August 21, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Conversely, why is she calling LE when the landscaper shows up if she already knew she was a suspect? Because she wanted to be a suspect in a MFH plot AND in the disappearance of her 7 year old son? This is simply not that simple, if I may say-B
What I know, is that as far as undercover agents go, DEA is bar none the LE Agency “go to” for reasons that I won’t specify publicly. He was not just hanging out cleaning his firearms on a Saturday and got a call from MCSO asking if he had plans for the afternoon-Secondly, they would NEVER get in the middle of a mp case or mfh if there were not some component of an investigation driving that agencies participation. They are not on speed dial. B
RE: 8/23 -Beejay summary of events and Blink’s response:
You lost me at the murdered at the school part. I would not say that is the simplest solution or the most feasible.
I know what kind of forensic equipment these agencies have, there is no chance he was killed at that school, imo.
B
“I will tell you what it is. This case was believed to be a kidnapping for ransom out of the gate.
B
Imo, there was no ransom paid to anyone.
B
Redrock says:
August 23, 2010 at 4:21 pm
If the cell phones were purchased prior to Terri and Kaine meeting the bus, there is little shelter for her. If they were purchased afterward, it could be argued TH knew her cell phone would be hogged with calls and she needed a reliable way to get access to her closest friends so they could talk. Farfetched I agree. The interesting question then becomes happened to the phones. That is the stuff that makes a conspiracy case if there was malevolent intent in acquiring or disposing the disposables, not to mention potential federal charges of using the wires to facilitate a crime and state charges of tampering with physical evidence (or whatever they call it there).
Yes, definitely. Especially given that we KNOW Terri had her cell phone on, and pinging with her all afternoon.
B
Of course she told them about Rudy, just not the truth.
B
JEN says:
August 25, 2010 at 9:57 am
Any hypotheses on how Dede and the Sanchez boy/s knew one another?
At least one of them, yes.
B
RE: AL spoke with TH holding Kitty at 2nd FM store:
How does she pull off the abduction of the century with a sick toddler in tow? B
Letsworktogether says:
September 4, 2010 at 11:29 am
AS was somewhere else on June 4th, verifiable, must be. Related somehow to this crime?
I would go as far as to say relative the overall investigative efforts of Kyron’s disappearance.
B
He drives a white truck, which has a UCC lien, and is registered in WA (RS) B
9/4/10
Everyone remember when I said this case looked very much like it was being investigated as a ransom and speculated there was a note? Glasses were sent, etc. Even though I believed it was sexually motivated? I still do.” B
“I think most are assuming landscaper would get his own hands dirty, I do not.” B
“I think he may “know a guy” for a small cut.” B
twinkletoes says:
September 7, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Agreed 100%, with the exception that whoever the 3rd party was, either never had any intention of returning Kyron once a ransom was paid, or something went wrong. There is no doubt in my mind that sting was believed to be the vehicle to net Kyron’s whereabouts. B
This jury was convened for this case. While there is not “secret arrests”, there are plenty of sealed indictments without immediate arrest warrants. B
Mom3.0 says:
September 8, 2010 at 11:35 pm
I personally do not believe Terri was in on it, but I think her actions have facilitated this crime, and I think she is responsible. There is not going to be anything to spin, there is only going to be a missing child. B
Starsky says:
September 8, 2010 at 10:44 pm
I think she is ultimately responsible, but I think she was blindsided, I don’t know how many different ways I can say that. No, my contacts and sources are not indicating a quick resolution, to the contrary. B
Posted by Blink |Thursday 9 September 2010 4:58 pm (snipped)
In fact, Jean Ann Van Krevelen a friend and “mentor” of Dede Spicher has used RS Landscape Maintenance on a few occasions, leaving positive reviews on the ServiceMaster listing which deleted his business from the site on 6/21/10.
Riverpearl says:
September 9, 2010 at 3:58 am
JMHO–The WHY doesn’t TMH tell all—
Because she does not know where he is. B
panda says:
September 10, 2010 at 6:07 pm
RS is absolutely involved in the mfh plot, period. Whether or not he is involved in what happened to Kyron, remains to be seen, my money says absolutely. People do NOT openly admit to felonies that will land their ass in Fed pen for no reason, and it is mostly because it is what we call a “lesser included.”
Chief Margie= Chief Marge in Fargo B
Letsworktogether says:
September 19, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Kyron knew who he left the school with, not a stranger, and not his stepmom.
Indeed. B
melissab says:
September 26, 2010 at 9:29 am
This person is affiliated with the school enough to risk taking a child out of it and not have hundreds of parents, teachers and faculty know exactly who to point the finger at.
B
While there is not “secret arrests”, there are plenty of sealed indictments without immediate arrest warrants.
B
September 16, 2010 at 3:28 am
Question to all, is it me or did the Sheriff SLIP when he said:
“I’ve got cases…They might not be homicides …” ?
Yes. They are looking for a body, whether they say it or not, as I have indicated for months.
They absolutely have a suspect.
B
Letsworktogether says:
September 19, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Kyron knew who he left the school with, not a stranger, and not his stepmom.
Indeed.
B
krowdkat says:
September 19, 2010 at 11:19 am
Two nearly identical white trucks-
One parked in the rear, and Terri parked on the shoulder.
B
They have arrived at the courthouse for the divorce hearings.
http://www.kgw.com/
@puzzled…. I was quoting satori, I thought the dude in the pic had been cleared a long time ago.
@beejay…. I am as clueless as a new born babe with the twitter chatter about the mayor.
Thoughts and prayers are with Myron, his brothers and sister.
10:00 am PST – Update From Koin6: Peter Bunch has been arguing for nearly an hour with Judge to abate divorce proceedings…
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/UPDATE-from-COURTROOM-Arguments-heard-in-Terri/GonG6-VnTkmaYBikdxxq7Q.cspx
@Justice4Kyron,
The postings you submitted are from 2009, not 2010
49.Annie says:
October 7, 2010 at 11:52 am
@lyla
Interesting – that article has been re-written and no longer says that it is a recovery effort. I saw it when you linked it earlier, but it has been changed now, the headline says: Source: Search to Continue this weekend… strange.
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OMG … changing info again???? Just a thought .. could this search also be an attempt to create anxiety .. as in “we getting close” for the perp/s and LE is watching suspects for a reaction .. or action??
KGW8 raw video of TH and KH arrival at court:
http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Raw-Hormans-arrive-at-divorce-hearing-104495219.html
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/UPDATE-from-COURTROOM-Arguments-heard-in-Terri/GonG6-VnTkmaYBikdxxq7Q.cspx
I’m sorry folks … but Kaine needs to wear big boy pants and a decent shirt to court ..
That is not from today, sheesh.
B
@ Eloise
I believe your photo of Mayor Sam Adams is from an “Ivy Pull, in Forest Park.” Also, very near Kyon’s part of town.
About the boot prints outside the door of Skyline school. I don’t see how they mean much? Lots of people wear “boots” around here, especially that part of town. They take care of farm animals before they go to school.
On another note remember the older girls (eight graders) felt there was something “funny” with Terri’s relationship with someone (a male) at the school. Even the children noticed. Sorry, no idea where the link, is and no time to find it, maybe later. Just another clue to bring back into play.
And lastly, I don’t believe it was “chaos” before school at the science fair. This is a very small school, in the middle of nowhere. Everyone knows each other pretty well. It is a lovely place to be raised, with many caring parents and teachers. I would send my own children there without hesitation. Lots of high income parents there trying to make it better for everyone. Just like the mom who wrote, and got the grant for the school landscaping project. Many parents like her at that school.
my bad … Kaine did arrive in court today dressed as the professional he is ..
IIRC, and I usually do…the man in the photo that the mayor tweeted was a parent that did not want his name, identity, etc., thrown out to the media dogs. I distinctly remember LE and the media stating this. Now I try to find the article on any of the news web sites and can’t…WTH? Color me stupid because I wouldn’t think LE would LIE TO ME as in the general public like that. Seriously, Blink…are you really looking at this guy? If so then just slap my A$$ and shame on me, sheesh!
A few “tidbits” regarding proceedings. MC is there.
http://twitter.com/KATUNews
Is everyone clear now that Rudy Sanchez is the subject of an ONGOING investigation?
Remember how I said that the family law matter which included criminal investigative input from LE will come back to bite them??
B
Idahogal, thank you for the great summation, with which I completely agree. There are no holes in this scenario.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html
Peter Bunch says Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias). Could that be true?
Absolutely, read it here first. (Maybe they did as well, lol)
B
Lots more from OregonLive…I hope Blink has some comments after reading!!
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/terri_horman_willing_to_agree.html
This is an interesting bit of news from the hearings today. “Rudy Sanchez” is an alias, per Bunch. Which could mean that his office had just as hard a time as we did finding his current residence, etc.:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html
Satori says:
October 7, 2010 at 12:51 am
Blink, Newsatfive, and All,
This is the way it is. Always, when I study something intense, it requires a day of rest for my brain to assimilate the information. It processes in the night. That is way, crash studying really does not work …not for me anyway.
When I read Blink’s initial comments on the Mayor’s limited response on Kyron, it did not really resonate — perhaps largely because I was already processing a boat-load of opposite information. The very funny part is, I questioned the powers that be in the very beginning. And after sleeping on Blink’s statement, coupled with Newsatfive’s input……oh yes, why Mayor. Why comment on that one and only solitary man in the photo of potential opportunists to dismiss? Boots? Anyone?
I get the feeling that is all I need to know.
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Satorie is a smartie.
Evaluate a person’s intentions-
Then what they actually say.
B
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Please accept my humble apologies in advance but I’m feeling a bit of a brain lapse here.
Satori … I’m guessing you just figured out the million dollar question to some degree based on Blink’s response. I’m just not sure exactly what the question was (sorry). Can you explain exactly what it is you figured out regarding the mystery guy in the photo and the connection to the mayor’s comments? I’m not usually this slow on things like this, really … it’s just been one heck of a week and I’m a little brain-drained.
My assumption from what I read is this: Are we insinuating TMH really did leave Ky with this mystery guy and we actually now know who he is and why he might’ve taken him? If he in fact worked for the school, is that maybe why the mayor would make such a big deal about him only? Because if the school hired him they would potentially be held liable if an employee/staff from the school or city was involved in something nefarious? How far off am I?
@Maat says:
October 7, 2010 at 12:42 pm
I am confused (not surprising) about the “mystery man” in the photo that Mayor Sam Adams tweeted about. I remember LE stating that they know who this person is and he is not a person of interest. So I started searching for the story. What I turned up was a link on FB referring to the story, but when you click on the link, it redirects you to a different story.
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Maat, I also remember MSCO saying that on the news. I also searched and got the same KOIN story. If you do a search for “Multnomah County Sheriff’s office said it knows who the mysterious man” you will find this article quoted and linked on many sites. I think the link was valid at the time these people posted it, but now it leads to the latest update on the Kyron story on KOIN. If you go to that article and look near the bottom of the page, you will see numbers that look like links to pages of comments. They are actually links to earlier reports on Kyron’s story. I searched through those links and still couldn’t find the original story about the man in the photo, although I think it was there at one time.
I’m confident from my memory, and from the copied parts of the KOIN report that exist on other sites, that MSCO knows who this man is, interviewed him, doesn’t view him as a suspect, and refuses to name him, because he’s not a part of the case.
Blink, I could go on and relay all kinds of stories that would support the idea that our Mayor’s tweets are not something to take seriously, but the mere thought of it exhausts me. I seriously doubt he’s being briefed on the details of the investigation. MCSO doesn’t answer to him.
Rudy Sanchez alias?? Whoa, what’s his real name?
http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html
@ justice4kyron says:
October 7, 2010 at 3:01 am
“I have a feeling our mystery man is very close to WF, and it ain’t BP.”
Has anyone else noticed that WF has a maiden or previous-marriage surname of Cruz?
Still trying to get my head around the mayor connection & glad to see I’m not the only one.
lyla says:
October 7, 2010 at 12:24 pm
@FLGirl says
“Oh, I’m not saying I think Kyron is alive. Sadly, I think he’s not. I’m just saying that I disagree with the premise that Terri did not lure Kyron outside and facilitate whatever happened to him. I.E., I don’t believe he just happened to be taken for ransom or to pay Terri back. Some have suggested Terri was blindsided at school, and that Kyron was grabbed by perhaps Rudy or someone else that Terri wronged. I don’t believe that whatsoever; I believe this was part of Terri’s plan from the beginning.”
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Thanks for the reply FLGirl…I agree. JMO Kyron was the one who was blindsided…makes me ill. TH..motive(s)?…any ideas?
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That’s the million dollar question, eh? Part of me thinks: I wish I knew. Part of me thinks that even if I did know, I wouldn’t ‘understand’ it. I mean, I — and all the rest of us here really — can’t fathom any explanation, any excuse, for why Terri would do something to Kyron.
On the one hand, it’s unfathomable that a mother/stepmother would do such a thing as to harm a child in their care. On the other hand, it’s happened far too many times.
If I had to guess, based on the Murder for Hire; based on the cheating with multiple men (sexting at the very least), my guess would be to hurt Kaine, as at least part of her motivation.
Was it revenge based on a perception that Kaine was too strict with her own son from a previous marriage? To make Kyron disappear for a while, to let Kaine know how it feels to ‘lose a child’?
Was she simply coldhearted and looking to off her husband for a big payday from insurance?
I honestly don’t know. I can’t imagine taking someone else’s life, or trying to. I would have a hard time even if it were in self-defense. I can’t imagine why a person in an unhappy marriage wouldn’t just walk away, rather than hire a hitman. I can’t imagine trying to kill my bf/husband, much less arranging for the abduction (possibly worse) of a child.
It’s simply too heartless and cruel. No matter the depth of how someone has wronged me in life (And there have been some bad ones), I could not fathom wishing/wanting someone dead; much less that it would be someone whom I cared about/considered family.
There’s no explanation that I can come up with, because I simply can’t see harming someone else; be it husband, child, even stranger, that would justify someone to act in such a way. There’s nothing in the world worth doing such a thing for.
@Idahogal: VERY nice summary. I just hope the facts substantiate it. Partly because I know it has been a struggle for you to view TH in a more minor role and you’ve really worked hard at this case. And partly because I personally can’t stand much more of these new suspects and confusions every minute!
The only thing that I’ve hesitated about on Rudy taking Ky from school is the chance that someone would see them. Since Rudy apparently didn’t plan to leave town, he wouldn’t want to be seen with Ky. So, I thought maybe he had someone else actually drive off with Ky (maybe Rudy lured him outside, but wasn’t seen walking to the vehicle with him). My other theory is that Ky did not walk out of school on his own two feet. Hold on, I know that’s unpopular.
Yes, acknowledging Blink’s comment about the forensics tools. But suppose Ky wasn’t only minorly harmed AT school–just subdued/secured. Then taken out of school in a container–and LE has never made that public. Do we KNOW that was not the case? Does someone here know that Ky definitely walked out of school and into a vehicle? It would be less risky to subdue him, and move him out in a container at a quieter time that morning than to walk out into the parking lot and have him get into your vehicle, out in front of God and everybody!
Wow, the comments from Terri’s divorce attorney are staggering. Kaine can have the house, for now? Terri — who is involved to at least some degree, in the disappearance of her stepson — should be allowed to see Kiara? That’s in Kiara’s best interest?
Talk about hogwash. Even in Terri’s own explanation, where she supposedly is pointing the finger at Rudy for whatever happened to Kyron, she is admitting to having associated with potentially unsavory characters. She feels ‘threatened’ by people (like Rudy), but that it’d be safe for her to see Kiara?
Terri’s going to lose money, and we should feel sorry for that? Well, maybe she shouldn’t have been fooling around on her husband, at the very least. That’s not to say the implications of the MFH and whatever happened to Kyron. Boo hoo, she’s going to lose money.
As for “Rudy Sanchez” being an alias, no big surprise to me. It seems obvious if he was running a business, he needed an alias with a legit social security number. Perhaps using one of his children, who would be a citizen if born here?
Blink:
Remember how I said that the family law matter which included criminal investigative input from LE will come back to bite them??
B
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Are you talking about LE supposedly having told Kaine about the murder for hire?
Because, in that Helen Jung interview transcript I linked here awhile back, Staton DENIED having given Kaine that info. And I figured he was trying to backpedal/downplay it at that time.
The language in the restraining order and contempt complaint specifically references information he was given by LE.
Bunch is 100% correct in his argument, imo. No matter how this is sliced one sided discovery is a violation of due process in both courts, period.
B
Help. Who is WF
I am lost. Sorry and Thanks
Peter Bunch says Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias). Could that be true?
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just thinking outside the box here … could RS aka undercover drug/trafficking informant be and is actually on the right side of the law and not the wrong? … but how and why did/would he get mixed up with crazy squirrel over sex/sexting unless that activity was big, big and was part of the ongoing investigation??? … and does it involve a still unknown person/s from the school ?? has RS been the red herring all this time ??
geez louise …
Idahogal says:
October 7, 2010 at 12:48 pm
snapoutofit says:
July 30, 2010 at 1:01 am
(snipped) Here’s some “hearsay” I found on the local KATU Internet comment section tonight:
Goodnessme 1p
“I happen to know the poor landscaper that was thrown into the middle of this plot.
You have got to be kidding me.
That was written by his wife, lol. However, it states Rudy knows Kyron and went on to describe him.
Oh, and PS, NEVER MENTIONS THE STING Mr. Sanchez agreed to.
Can I tell you how tired I am of being told I got something wrong and never an example or link proving otherwise?
B
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OK – so I never knew whether Blink’s “lol” was joking about it being written by his wife, or was laughing because it was obviously written by someone trying to put RS in a good light. At the time I didn’t really care. It does make me think now, however, that if Blink actually knew it was written by Rudy’s wife, it would have ruled out the speculation that went on about whether Elsy was Rudy’s wife because Elsy was already gone. Seems doubtful she left with a laptop or would comment after leaving. Am I missing something here?
Question to anyone – given that we have threads with thousands of posts, is there a shorter way to go back through them? For example, if I want to find a post for July, it takes “forever” to continually click on “older comments”. If not, that’s OK, I will “make do”. Thanks.
just when I’m ready to concede to Idahogal and her synopsis, new information surfaces changing .. once again .. the whole direction of this case. No wonder I’m puzzled!!
I wish someone was tweeting the Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez hearing as well today. Blink, do you know if there was a hearing today or if there was another continuance?
Yep. Pending a motion to dismiss, he is r/s for 12/7/2010.
B
Here’s Staton’s denial. Well, as clear a ‘no’ as you generally get out of someone who’s hedging:
Jung: “And is there anything in terms of Kaine’s decision to get divorced from Terri Horman — the statement that was released suggested that there was information revealed by investigators that lead to that breakup. Is there anything you can tell me about if they had met with Kaine to brief him about the investigation and is there anything that you know of that led to that?”
Staton: “That I can’t comment on. I — I don’t believe there’s anything indication that would lead me to believe that, but I can’t comment on that.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_investigation_tra.html
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Again, I recommend reading that transcript. It addresses the question of Ky’s disappearance being a serial event or not. All in hedge language, of course. Not to knock Staton, who I like. But what’s a polite, PC word for “bureaucrat”? Can’t think of it. The style of communicating gets learned on the job as a survival tactic.
Ok, I know this is a court proceeding, that Kaine definitely wants; and I know this is how attorneys operate; but the more I read/re-read that, the more I want to punch someone in the face.
Support? Equitable division of assets? While Terri is focus of an investigation (as acknowledged by her own atty.) into the disappearance/likely murder of her stepson?
Again, I know this is all legal and whatnot. But just reading about a grab for money and assets, and the expectation of some kind of financial support for a woman involved in the disappearance of a child?
So. Much. Rage.
I posted: “But suppose Ky wasn’t only minorly harmed AT school–just subdued/secured.”
I meant to say …Ky WAS only minorly harmed…”
sorry
evie says:
October 7, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Has anyone else noticed that WF has a maiden or previous-marriage surname of Cruz?
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I would guess a previous marriage. Came across Lisa Pumala-Cruz. That would be Wendy’s daughter and Brian’s sister I believe. So, Cruz must be a stepfather relation?
No. Lisa is Brian’s ex and mother of Tanner.
B
@MockingbirdSings: given that we have threads with thousands of posts, is there a shorter way to go back through them?
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Not that I’ve found and my carpal tunnel makes me abandon the effort sometimes. What I do shorten the scroll down each page, when my search permits, by doing a word search of each page when I get to the top.
I’d love it if someone knows…
puzzled says:
October 7, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Peter Bunch says Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias). Could that be true?
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just thinking outside the box here … could RS aka undercover drug/trafficking informant be and is actually on the right side of the law and not the wrong? … but how and why did/would he get mixed up with crazy squirrel over sex/sexting unless that activity was big, big and was part of the ongoing investigation??? … and does it involve a still unknown person/s from the school ?? has RS been the red herring all this time ??
geez louise …
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My assumption; and we all know what they say about assuming.
But my assumption is, being that Rudy is not a legal citizen (that has been stated I believe), he needed a legit social security number; and that he likely ‘borrowed’ one from say, a child of his who had been born here and would thus be a legal citizen?
I believe, early on, when Rudy came to light, that it was suggested he was doing something of the sort; using a ‘borrowed’ identity.
FLGirl says:
Ok, I know this is a court proceeding, that Kaine definitely wants; and I know this is how attorneys operate; but the more I read/re-read that, the more I want to punch someone in the face.
Support? Equitable division of assets? While Terri is focus of an investigation (as acknowledged by her own atty.) into the disappearance/likely murder of her stepson?
Again, I know this is all legal and whatnot. But just reading about a grab for money and assets, and the expectation of some kind of financial support for a woman involved in the disappearance of a child?
So. Much. Rage.
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Your frustration is understandable. Your assumptions, however may be wrong. If she is guilty as you say, then yes, her posturing appears to be gratuitous, greedy and downright ridiculous. If she is innocent of any wrongdoing she HAS to consider her future and the futures of her kids. If she is, in any way, connected she still must present herself as innocent. Failure to do so admits guilt…… Just sayin’….Peace to you, the rest of the Unblinkables, and mostly to Kyron.
“Bunch said Terri Horman is no doubt the focus of the criminal investigation into Kyron’s disappearance.* He said any testimony or questions about finances that will come up during the divorce proceedings may be used against her by investigators”* (SAY WHAT ?)
“He argued the situation would ultimately impose on Terri Horman’s constitutional rights. Judge Keith Meisenheimer agreed it would be difficult for the court to hold a normal custody study.
Bunch also made a *request for Terri Horman to have parenting time with her young daughter in a safe and supervised setting.*” (IS THIS POSSIBLE ?) “Currently, she is under a no contact order by the court after a divorce and restraining order filing by Kaine Horman in June.
http://www.kptv.com/news/25317391/detail.html
Terri Horman Willing To Move Forward With Divorce
“Peter Bunch said Terri Horman is prepared to work out the details of the divorce and divide the couple’s property” (MONEY< MONEY< MONEY) …" but she still wants the court to put the custody portion of the divorce case on hold ( THE CHILD LEFT IN LIMBO…?) …"until the criminal investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance is complete."
http://www.kptv.com/news/25317391/detail.html
Justiceninja-
Please post that info for my review before I would allow it posted publicly, there is a lot going on in your post, and as far as the person’s initials you posted, you have rung my bell.
Welcome, and I look forward to seeing what you have, just write PRIVATE first line, please, it will only be seen by you and me.
B