Kyron Horman Missing: Kaine And Terri Horman Face Off In Family Court
Portland, Or– Following one of the largest organized search weekends on Sauvie Island since Kyron Horman, 8,was abducted from Skyline School on June 4, his step-mother and father squared off in family court. Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father, arrived with his attorney, Laura Rackner.
Kaine’s estranged wife Terri Horman, arrived with her criminal defense attorney; Stephen Houze and her family law attorney Peter Bunch.
Mr. Horman appeared in a crisp-white dress shirt and tie, and Ms. Moulton-Horman wore an eggplant hued suit with a long skirt.
Cameras were banned in the downtown Multnomah County courtroom; however, there were apparently several hidden “nests” as the tweets were flying real-time.
Peter Bunch, counsel to Terri Horman, is adamant his client is the subject of more than one criminal investigation:
“The state has the ability to obtain every single bit of information that is produced in this case and that is outside the bounds of what it could do were this proceeding not occurring,” Bunch said in court.
“It is fundamentally unfair for Kitty (Kiara) and for Miss Horman for me to be hamstrung in the divorce case for the information I have compared to what they have.” “The publicity that’s going on is not being driven by Ms. Horman, it’s being driven by Mr. Horman, when he tells national media there’s no doubt Ms. Horman is involved.” “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.” “We’ll concede, Mr. Horman can have the house, right now. Mrs. Horman is going to lose money…”
Terri Horman has not been declared a suspect in either Kyron Horman’s disappearance or the alleged murder for hire plot against Kaine Horman. She is however, seeking access to all of her 911 calls dating back to the DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS.
While this timeline coincides with accusations by Kaine Horman in his filings that Terri attempted to arrange to have him murdered, this is the first public revelation of that call. Bunch went on to say that Rackner and Kaine Horman, who are parties to case sensitive criminal investigation materials involving Terri, are at a supreme advantage to his client who should only be expected to plead her protections under the 5th amendment as a result.
After heated debate by those sides, we learned: Rudy Sanchez, the infamous landscaper/hitman for hire, has an alias, and has eluded service in the civil matter to date, although he appears to have cooperated. Bunch proclaims Sanchez is unlocatable as a result of MCSO unwillingness to share discovery of a witness in the civil case ( blink holds hands over eyes).
Michael Cook, a/k/a sexter king, waited all afternoon via subpoena by Rackner, but was only interviewed by the press. He states he cut ties with both Terri and Kaine days before he was outed for invasive scapular intrusions. No word on that healing process.
Terri Horman had her own personal black Friday this year.
She called 911 THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS. Regular contributors and readers of blinkoncrime.com doubt she had sale flyer questions.
Judge Keith Meisenheimer, was sensitive to Kaine and Kyron’s ‘round the clock nightmare, but feels some time may allow things to shake out. January 6, 2011 to be exact.
Following this afternoon’s legal melee, blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief asked prominent Washington State Family Law Attorney, Lea Conner, to weigh in:
Although I preface my comments with the fact that I practice family law in Washington State and not in Oregon, I am an Oregon native that has followed this case closely.
I’m a bit perplexed by Peter Bunch’s reasoning that if the court were to abate the dissolution, he would respond by filing a motion to modify the restraining order so that Terri Horman could have visitation with the parties’ daughter. Essentially, Mr. Bunch is arguing that the abatement would prejudice his client’s ability to parent her child. My understanding of the Multnomah County local rules is that an abatement means that the entire case is halted. Neither party can bring a motion before the court, nor can the court hear argument or make any ruling on motions.
It was also interesting to hear Mr. Bunch argue that proceeding with the divorce would violate Ms. Horman’s right against self-incrimination in the disappearance of her stepson. This is the first time that Terri Horman has publicly acknowledged any self-incrimination issues. In her motion for abatement, Ms. Horman, through counsel, argued that the ongoing investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance had made it “virtually impossible…to proceed with divorce-related issues in an effective an[d] orderly fashion[.]” Were Mr. Bunch to bring a motion to allow visitation, Mr. Horman would no doubt argue that Ms. Horman’s actions demonstrate that Ms Horman or someone she knew was responsible for Kyron Horman’s disappearance, and that her behavior since Kyron’s disappearance shows that she is unstable and poses a threat to their daughter’s safety.
I do not believe Mr. Horman would raise Ms. Horman’s 2005 convictions for DUI and reckless endangerment, as not only later chose to have a child with Ms. Horman since that time, he also left both of his children in her care for extended periods while he was at work. Under those facts, it would be hard to conclude that Mr. Horman believed Ms. Horman posed a threat to their daughter. The judge’s comment that “[e]ventually, Terri will have to decide whether or not to plead the fifth, regardless of the timing of the proceedings,” seems to indicate that the judge may not be willing to hold the action in abatement past the January 6, 2011, hearing.
I’m also interested in Mr. Bunch’s comment that “Rudy Sanchez” is an alias. If that’s true, then what is Rudy Sanchez’ real name, and how exactly did he first come in contact with Terri Horman?
It was also strange to learn that Michael Cook was subpoenaed to testify at the hearing. I’m curious if there were others scheduled to testify as well. I cannot speak to how the Oregon court operates in practice. However, I note that each party provided written affidavits in support of their respective motions.
Is there some reason that Mr. Cook’s statement could only be presented in oral testimony?
I’m not sure I understand Mr. Bunch’s logic in saying “If this is not abated we will not get reciprocal discovery.”
The state is not a party to a dissolution action. In a dissolution action, the parties can seek discovery from each other, and depending on the court rules, from third parties as well.
I’m not sure why Mr. Bunch would have the impression that there would be reciprocal discovery with a third party in a dissolution action, especially when that third party is law enforcement.
There’s a disconnect between Mr. Bunch’s argument that Ms. Horman cannot defend herself because she would incriminate herself in the disappearance of her stepson, and his statement that “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.”
The apparent logic is that Ms. Horman admits that if she speaks, she will incriminate herself in some as-yet-to-be-named crime related to Kyron’s disappearance, yet Mr. Horman is now supposed to trust her to care for his other child, because that’s so obviously in their daughter’s best interest.
Check back to blinkoncrime.com for updates.
Madeline Tanner, contributor and copy editor, www.blinkoncrime.com
Lea Connor, Esq., legal analyst, www.blinkoncrime.com
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MockingbirdSings says:
October 22, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Emmy says:
October 21, 2010 at 6:32 pm
MockingbirdSings says:
October 21, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Rudy gave up registration of the name “Rudy Sanchez Landscape Maintenance” in 2007. The state won’t let you use a name too close to another name (in their opinion). Rudy registered the “R. S. Landscape Maintenance” name in January of 2008 so it looks like he could have renewed his original business name if he had wanted to – just an observation.
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We know Rudy likes his aliases. Having the full name on his business was probably too constrictive. Initials offer more flexibility when picking your name of the day.
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I suppose this is a small thing, and I mean no offense, but I don’t know whether Rudy likes aliases or not. I do know that it was said he had an alias – but have we ever shown there was any name except one that has always been associated with him?
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MBS – No offense taken. Maybe “likes” wasn’t the correct word to use. I think you are correct that most names associated are variations of his full name. What IMO seems a little off is that he doesn’t seem to be able to pick just one name. Maybe it is the cultural difference with names that I can’t wrap my head around, but either your last name is Sanchez, Estrada, or Sanchez-Estrada…not all three. Coupling the multiple choices for last names with the changing of the business name shows a pattern of name changes. Maybe there are legitimate reasons for all of these, but name changes can also be for other less than legitimate reasons. Not saying for sure that RS’s name changes are necessarily the latter- Just an opinion.
lyla says:
October 22, 2010 at 11:31 am
Well, this story is even more than bizzare…tweeting alright..HA!
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/05/second_mayor_sam_adams_a
lyla, did anyone notice here that Adams drives a white pickup?
This is the most strongly worded statement I have seen come out of the Hormon camp to date … especially from Kaine himself. I don’t even want to know what “unimaginable harm” could possibly mean. Oh, Kyron … please help us find you!
Kaine: Terri may have caused ‘unimaginable harm’ to Kyron
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine-Terri-abducted-may-have-caused-unimaginable-harm-to-Kyron-105567163.html
Another Portland mayor story in the new …
Where was Portland’s mayor during Obama’s visit?
http://www.katu.com/news/local/105508013.html
@17.peg says:
October 22, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Ok-who can be at a school and not raise eyebrows – Food delivery, paper supply, media(?) Was there newspaper coverage of the SF?
Trash pickup, teen brothers/sisters.. There is something out there that’ll blow this wide open — but what?
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TH. She needs to open her mouth and tell the truth.
This is strange. One of the most damning statements from Kaine so far. It had started to sound, in recent news, that he might be amenable to supervised visitation for TH with Kiara. I wonder what new info caused this?
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http://www.kgw.com/home/Kaine-Terri-abducted-may-have-caused-unimaginable-harm-to-Kyron-105567163.html
>PORTLAND, Ore. — In new court documents, Kaine Horman states he believes Terri Moulton-Horman “abducted and may have caused unimaginable harm” to Kyron Horman.
It’s the most strongly worded statement yet by Kyron’s parents about Terri’s possible involvement in Kyron’s disappearance.<
I’ve read many times in various documents that TMH supposedly felt KH controlled all the money. If that was true, maybe her initial kidnapping plan was to have someone help her w/the kidnapping of Ky, get the ransom money w/o LE involved, then simply leave KH later after she had the amount of money she felt she needed in order to manage on her own? In other words, a way to get Kaine’s money w/o having to go through all the messiness of an actual, legal divorce? Maybe she felt while getting his money, she was also killing two birds with one stone too? Getting KH’s money and hurting him immensely all at the same time? My question is, if this is true at all, then at what time did the kidnapping plot go wrong?
I Care says:
October 22, 2010 at 4:37 pm
I have seen it mentioned more than once as to why Terri just wouldn’t give Kyron to Desiree if she didn’t want him.
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So much of this case seems to have undertones of the Caylee Anthony case in regard to Casey’s mindset/behavior. I mean seriously. So many things now seem to be repeating themselves in this case, except it seems TMH might’ve learned a few things from Casey’s sloppiness. Both it appears are narcissistic sociopaths w/no true feeling/regard for anyone but themselves, including their own children. Neither seemed to believe anyone should even question their behavior and became visibly annoyed when LE began focusing on them. Both believed they were too smart for LE to be caught but Casey was and I’m praying it’s just a matter of time before Terri is. The list goes on and on, but the one above specifically sparked my reply here.
Like Terri, Casey was also quoted as saying she basically didn’t want to be one of those parent’s knowing their child might be out there with “someone else”. I believe Casey was talking about not giving Caylee up for adoption at birth for this reason and later in regard to her own mother who she definitely did not want Caylee to be with because her hatred of Cindy ran deep … so the only other option for her, being the twisted person that she is, was to get rid of her because in Casey’s mind she believed she was better off gone than with anyone else. I believe Terri Horman has many traces of Casey Anthony in her and sadly, I have a feeling we’ve only just begun to see the tip of the iceberg of what she may be capable of.
Can LE offer evidence to the civil court, i.e. a sealed document to back up Kaine’s statement regarding his belief TH may have abducted and caused KY unimaginable harm? Or is KH trying to pressure Terri into talking?
In the court document filed Oct. 21, 2010, this paragraph caught my eye.
“Respondent is choosing not to participate in a legal proceeding initiated on her behalf. She has clearly stated that she will not participate in a custody and parenting time evaluation or in any other legal process regarding the divorce. Respondent’s voluntary decision creates a large vacuum in which the court must make a decision regarding the parties’ young child.”
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This makes me wonder just what TH is actually thinking. I want so badly to give her the benefit of the doubt, but seriously? This is how the situation sounds to me, MOO-and my own made up sentence, below!
“I want to be with my daughter, but I don’t think I should have to speak for myself, or do what anyone else tells me, at any time. I don’t care what they all think I did or did not do-I just want my own way-and there has got to be a way to make that happen.”
Even if it turns out that TH had nothing to do with Kyron’s disappearance-these kinds of things make her look guilty. I wonder, if she is innocent, if she is just so damned mad about how easy it was for everyone to think she’s the bad guy-that she simply refuses to cooperate about everything now.
On the other hand-if she is guilty of at least some part in all this-she’s doing a damn fine job of looking guilty!
KH states in NEW motion that TMH “abducted & may have caused ‘unimaginable harm ‘ to Kyron “.
This court filing opposing motion of TMH for visitation.
A short article @ KGW.com
15.anonanon says:
October 22, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Something that has bothered me since the beginning. If Kyron was supposed to be in the Talent Show later that day, why didn’t any of his parents attend?
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Sorry, I cannot provide a link, but I read somewhere that Kyron was not scheduled to perform in the talent show. A poster on this site who is local to that area explained that these talent shows are produced mostly to entertain the school children, so very few parents attend.
More info on KH motion on 11:00pm KGW newscast.
KH asking for interviews w/ TMH friends & family, mental health eval’, look @ her medical records -and- since she is requesting him to pay, wants her.financials & how than is she paying House.
Once again this was lead story of 11:00pm KGW newscast.
KOIN.com has KH’s motion.
I cannot post link from where I am @ this time.
Just go to KOIN web site. It’s a pdf.
anonanon says:
October 22, 2010 at 3:25 pm
“Something that has bothered me since the beginning. If Kyron was supposed to be in the Talent Show later that day, why didn’t any of his parents attend?”
One thing I always wondered… Did Terry make Kyron a lunch the day he disapeared? I mean if she left the school and the last time she saw him he was walking towards his class, she should have made him a lunch. So far I havn’t seen anything about a lunch. They showed a backpack and stuff but no lunch. Maybe I’m wrong…
Hoping “Law Attorney, Lea Conner” will again give us her views on this latest motion.
I am going to “highlight” items that jump out @ me w/ first read.
CASE NO. 1006-66086
Petitioner’s [KH] Objection to Respondent’s [TMH] Motion for Expedited Hearing on Modification of
Restraining Order
1. Respondent [TMH] did NOT USE her LEGAL right to OBJECT Petitioner’s [KH] FAPA [RO] ORDER.
Thus, Respondent [TMH] has WATVED HER RIGHT to an expedited hearing by NOT EXERCISING this RIGHT w/i 30 DAYS of service. [30-days from when TMH was serve w/FAPA (RO) ]
2. This NOW is a MODIFICATION PROCEEDING which REQUIRES Respondent [TMH] serve Petitioner [KH] in the matter … which ALLOWS Petitioner [KH] @ LEAST 30-DAYS Notice BEFORE being required to APPEAR & DEFEND.
3. It has been 3-1/2 months since Respondent was served w/ the RO. She has waited until now to file a motion for parenting time, & she seeks to force the Court in an abbreviated fashion. At the same time, Respondent demands that the Court NOT proceed in the parties’ dissolution case, which includes custody and parenting time issues that overlap w/ the FAPA proceeding. There is NO justification why Respondent [TMH] can proceed on parenting time issues under FAPA proceeding but PREVENT Petitioner [KH] from proceeding on these same issues in the divorce case. Respondent [TMH] is attempting to abuse the legal process to SERVE HER OWN SELF-INTEREST which, if permitted, will substantially PREJUDICE Petitioner [KH] and MAY IRREVERSIBLY HARM the involved children.
4. Petitioner strongly BELIEVES that RESPONDENT [TMH] ABDUCTED & MAY HAVE CAUSED UNIMAGINABLE HARM to Petitioner’s 8y/o son, KYRON. Respondent also attempted to hire a 3rd party to MURDER him. Such extreme & unexplainable behavior cannot be taken lightly by Petitioner or the Court when making decisions affecting the well being of an almost 2y/o.
5. A parenting time decision in this case presents a very complicated & extraordinary circumstance.
In such instances anyone charged w/ deliberating over such an important issue will require significant information from multiple sources to make a well-informed decision. Typically, w/ such complex issues, a court will order a custody & parenting time evaluation to be conducted by an expert specializing in child development & parenting issues. Further, EXTENSIVE DISCOVERY & REVIEW OF DOCUMENTS must be completed, INCLUDING RECORDS & MEDICAL SUBPOENAS, REGARDING RESPONDENT”S CRIMINAL, PERSONAL, MENTAL HEALTH, AND MEDICAL HISTORY. Petitioner must also COMPLETE DEPOSITIONS of FAMILY, FRIENDS, PROFESSIONALS, EDUCATORS & OTHERS who can PROVIDE INFORMATION RELATING TO Respondent & HER ABILITY OR INABILITY to HAVE APPROPRIATE CONTACT w/ the parties’ young child. Petitioner NEEDS ADEQUATE TIME to NOTIFY NUMEROUS WITNESSES regarding their reqested deposition & court appearances.
6. Respondent [TMH] is CHOOSING NOT to PARTICIPATE in legal proceedings INITIATED on HER BEHALF. She has clearly stated that SHE WILL NOT PARTICIPATE in custody & parenting time evaluation or in any other legal process regarding the divorce. Respondent’s [TMH] VOLUNTARY decision creates a large vacuum in which the Court must make a decision regarding the parties’ young child.
7. Petitioner [KH] should have the right & time to gather all information relevant to his case & present to the Court. … Any hearing in which the Court will be making such decisions monumentally affecting the life of a small child must afford Petitioner the ability to fully prepare to inform the Court as throughly as possible.
8. Because Respondent [TMH] chooses NOT TO PARTICIPATE in the parenting time determination, Petitioner [KH] is FORCED to PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE COURT only through secondary sources.
Neither Petitioner [KH] nor the Court has ANY CURRENT & RELEVANT INFORMATION regarding Respondent’s [TMH] MENTAL HEALTH on which to make such an important, delicate decision. Petitioner [KH] will need adequate time to subpoena medical information in compliance w/ federal legal requirements.
9. Additionally, besides information about Respondent, Petitioner must have adequate time to prepare the relevant information regarding Kiara’s status and health for the Court’s determination.
10. Respondent’s [TMH] motion INCLUDES a request for the Court to further burden Petitioner [KH] w/ financial obligation of paying for Respondent to have supervision during parenting time. Meanwhile, Respondent [TMH] has REFUSED TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL INFORMATION INCLUDING ANY EXPLANATION OF HOW SHE RETAINED A CRIMINAL LAWYER SHE STATED COSTS $350,000. Petitioner [KH] requires adequate time to inquire & obtain information as to Respondent’s [TMH] financial status & resources.
11. Petitioner [KH] will require 2 to 3 DAYS TO PRESENT HIS CASE w/o including time Respondent [TMH]
will need to present her case. Based upon the above, Petitioner [KH] requests that he be allowed the statutory mandated period to respond to Respondent’s [TMH] motion as well as set in the regular course allowing Petitioner [KH] adequate time to prepare & present his case.
DATED 10/21/2010
http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/b/6/9/b69f88e8-b5dd-4ee7-a91d-7125fde7b948/SharpNews_koin.com_20101022_165135.pdf
Okay I am going to put links of “KH Motion” story:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/105573988.html
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Horman-court-motions-fight-for-daughter-continue/QYlEqruACkGhA-hFH45jIQ.cspx
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine-Terri-abducted-may-have-caused-unimaginable-harm-to-Kyron-105567163.html
http://www.kptv.com/news/25483652/detail.html
Found this interesting in katu web post:
“Court doc: Kaine Horman rejects wife’s desire to see daughter”
“Kaine said Friday that he really doesn’t understand why this desire to see Kiara is coming now from Terri.”
“Terri Horman did not first hire a family attorney to seek visitation with her daughter but instead hired an >>>expensive criminal defense attorney<<>phone sex with another man.”<>>physical harm he believes Terri caused Kyron, he believes there is a risk of emotional and psychological harm with the two being in the same room.”<<<
http://www.katu.com/news/local/105573988.html
Okay, “scrambled post @9:36am~
Let’s try this again.
“Kaine said Friday that he really doesn’t understand why this desire to see Kiara is coming now from Terri.”
“Terri Horman did not first hire a family attorney to seek visitation with her daughter but instead hired an expensive criminal defense attorney, Stephen Houze. Then allegedly she had phone sex with another man.”
“Kaine said he does not believe that Terri should see their daughter because it would not be in the best interest of the toddler. He also does not believe supervised visitation would be wise. In addition to the physical harm he believes Terri caused Kyron, he believes there is a risk of emotional and psychological harm with the two being in the same room.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/105573988.html
Maybe it’s because I’ve been up all night but did anyone else notice the photo of TMH that is on this thread- the difference in her HAIR COLOR from just the time previous that she was in court ? Her “red” has gotten way “darker” ? Is she trying NOT to look like “another red-head” ? JMHO …questioning.
Hi Blink – my post from yesterday with new KH filings and links is still in moderation…?
Everything is up now, thanks.
B
Kyron was supposed to be in the talent show. The principal called his name and his teacher said he was absent. Lots of parents were there.
@Beejay,
isn’t the ex LE you refer to ,
BP’s step father? I remember
his last name is Harmon and first is Steve.
He’s the one that actually owns the houseboat on
Sauvie.
“DDS/cousin” has recently ” posted “MCSO’s, OPSO’s” “showed up in K-Falls @ “aunt & uncle house” & “requested to search property as a tip said they were stashing Kyron”.
“DDS asked them to call K-Falls sheriff dept first & let them know” & than “let officers search”.
There is “more” to “DDS/cousin” post but it really “makes the officers & search sound almost vindictive by either KH &/ or family member”.
So even though we-public are not privy to Task Force, they are out there working the case.
All of my arrows point to TH at this time, period. I think about Pam Samrt, Diane Downs, Susan Smith, etc., why not TH? Considering KH knowledge of this woman, their life together, etc. etc., I cannot question her involvement anymore. Sorry to those that disagree, and if I am proven wrong I’ll admit it when the time comes. There may be other people involved, and a few of them would not suprise me, but in the overall scheme of things I think TH did something heinous with this sweet, innocent boy. I think the big shock will come when we find out what and with whom she was involved in. Add to that the fact that she was a teacher and volunteer that was around children all the time. I’m sure this would be very upsetting to LE. I can’t wait to see what happens next week. I do believe the storm has arrived.
Part 1~ Listing BLINK’S thread links w/ TMH photos:
10/07/2010
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/10/07/kyron-horman-missing-kaine-and-terri-horman-face-off-in-family-court/#comments
08/26/2010
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/08/26/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-attorneys-call-her-a-suspect/#comments
3/2010 TMH Birthday Party
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/26/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-grand-jury-meets-indictment-imminent/#comments
Part 2~
07/16/2010
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/16/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-terri-horman-leaves-the-house/#comments
07/6/2010
http://blinkoncrime.com/category/kyron-horman/page/2/
06/26/2010
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/29/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-sources-terri-horman-arrest-is-imminent/#comments
Part 3~
Unknown date
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/29/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-kaine-horman-files-for-restraining-order-and-divorce-from-terri-horman/#comments
06/18/2010
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/18/kyron-horman-missing-watch-press-conference-live/#comments
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JMHO Rather interesting to see the progression in her hair color & weight change.
If possible, open the photos up on screen & put next to each other.
You’ll see “changes” easier.
The photo dates if known &/or thread date are listed above link.
Has anyone seen this?
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/05/shades-of-the-kyron-horman-case-in-a-separate-washington-mystery/
This is about 2 mths old already, but the date of it is really interesting. This was written August 11th.
(clipped)
Asked repeatedly about the timing of the new information’s release, Gates said investigators are looking through a “different lens” than they were earlier in the case.
“The sheer magnitude of the information we have to process in this case is incredible,” Gates said. “We can’t put a timeline on this case. It will take as long as it takes.”
From the Press Room: Reporters Question Progress in Kyron Investigation
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/11/from-the-press-room-reporters-question-progress-in-kyron-horman-investigation/
My question: This was only about 2 mths into the investigation at that time. Was this comment made by Gates the one Blink may have been talking about when she mentioned she didn’t believe the public understands how difficult it often is for LE to switch directions?
Gates said “investigators are looking through a “different lens” than they were earlier in the case.”
Hmm …. what “different lens?” Meaning it really was an initial kidnapping case or one that went awry? Meaning TMH really isn’t the main POI or isn’t “directly” involved? Meaning their are others involved as well? Meaning this was more than a simple “missing child” and there are more than one and/or a group involved? Internationally-reaching? Wish we knew what “different lens” LE was now looking through. That would answer so many questions!
So while snooping around agaainnnn, lol, I checked AV myspace page, seen he had a friend listed with the Initials of DL, clicked on him, found a friend with the last name of sanchez, clicked on it and found someone with the last name of SOSA, Lastly , clicked on her and found
ELSA MEIJA
Link is below
http://es-la.facebook.com/people/Elsa-Mejia/100000643103724
jan says:
October 22, 2010 at 9:49 pm
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/05/second_mayor_sam_adams_a
lyla, did anyone notice here that Adams drives a white pickup?
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jan, I did. It is mentioned in one of my responses to lyla after she posted the link. Not only that but also his pants were unzipped and unbuttoned. No offense to any of you locals here, but you Portlanders sure have one heck of a mayor, lol. Wonder what skeletons are hiding in Mr. Adams closet? How did he ever get elected? He would definitely be an interesting dinner guest for sure, lol!
@12.GraceintheHills says:
October 23, 2010 at 1:58 am
@15.anonanon says:
October 22, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Something that has bothered me since the beginning. If Kyron was supposed to be in the Talent Show later that day, why didn’t any of his parents attend?
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Sorry, I cannot provide a link, but I read somewhere that Kyron was not scheduled to perform in the talent show. A poster on this site who is local to that area explained that these talent shows are produced mostly to entertain the school children, so very few parents attend.
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Looks like he was scheduled to attend the talent show.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html
zeus says:
October 22, 2010 at 11:34 pm
“I want to be with my daughter, but I don’t think I should have to speak for myself, or do what anyone else tells me, at any time. I don’t care what they all think I did or did not do-I just want my own way-and there has got to be a way to make that happen.”
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Visions of Casey Anthony abound, don’t they? Sociopaths do tend to have similar personalities/tendencies and I keep seeing examples of Casey everywhere in this case. TMH definitely does not like to be questioned, appears to obviously not like authority either, seems to think she’s smarter than everyone else and above them in rank (grandiosity), but also does not like that LE and the general public don’t think highly of her (“Everyone on the blogs is blaming me … I could just scream!”). IIRC, in a time that it would appear that a person would be focusing on their missing child, they are instead focusing on themselves and how victimized they think they are by LE and the public.
If you are innocent and worried about your missing child, you don’t tend to give a moment’s thoughts to such things … you just want your child found! I believe Casey was stated early on as saying something very similar about bloggers blaming her and her vocalness about not liking it. Casey seemed to want her freedom from Caylee and also to get revenge on her mom at the same time for motive into getting rid of her daughter. Is freedom and revenge also what motivated here? Seems many think so.
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I wonder, if she is innocent, if she is just so damned mad about how easy it was for everyone to think she’s the bad guy-that she simply refuses to cooperate about everything now.
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Passive-aggressiveness, ODD and narcissism jump out at me everywhere in that pattern of thinking and I believe you’re 100% on target. If accurate (and I’m not saying that it definitely is, only that from my limited training over the yrs in psychology that this is the 1st thing that overwhelmingly comes to me), she is behaving like the spoiled, arrogant child who has a tantrum. Would love to know TMH’s childhood background in detail w/her parent’s and siblings. My guess however is that she was somewhat coddled, not often questioned much, usually got her way, and just expected that everyone else around her was going to easily be her puppet for when she wanted something. TMH seems to have grandiose ideas about herself as somehow reigning supreme … what TMH wants, TMH eventually gets. Regardless of what she has to do to get it. Lie, steal, manipulate, (murder?) … there are no boundaries. Sound familiar? JMO
With my pre-dawn reading of the pdf copy of KH’s motion, one glaring point @ this time that stands out-he is NOT seeking to consolidate the FAPA/RO with the divorce.
He may do consolidate in the future but this current motion starts w/ the “time limit” w/ appealing FAPA/RO & moves into what NEEDS to HAPPEN IF the Court “grants” TMH motion.
I recently had asked how TMH could “have it both ways” ie. seeking & being granted an abatement while stating ANY questions would be answered w/ taking the 5th & than turn around & ask for “change in FAPA/RO visitation”. Some questioned me because it “sounded like I thought Kitty should not see her mother”. But I was asking about the “double standard” of TMH. Simply how could a person claim one way but turn around & try for something w/o following the “stated rules” ?
Is this “ALL’ standard in divorce proceedings ?
And Blink, does this get back into the “cross-over of Kyron’s case w/divorce” ? Would this lead to Houze/Bunch subpoena LE/DA files etc ? Also Blink, wouldn’t it be better if KH file motion to consolidate the FAPA/RO with divorce & wait for DA case for Kyron ?
IMOO I firmly see this new motion may open a lot of “doors” for Houze. I hope I am wrong.
PS>Would any of our law professionals garner an opinion on this “new” course of action ?
Beejay, MockingbirdSings, Lea Conner ?
@37.justice23 says:
October 22, 2010 at 7:04 pm
lyla says:
October 22, 2010 at 11:31 am
Well, this story is even more than bizarre…tweeting alright..HA!
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/05/second_mayor_sam_adams_acciden.html
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Wowzer, that’s quite an interesting story, isn’t it? I didn’t know Adams had a white truck too … that one really caught my attention I must say! Also … his fly was unzipped and his shorts were unbuttoned? Seems like LE wasn’t really agreeing, but a couple of the witnesses commented about him possibly having been drinking as well. Things that make you go “Hmmm ….”?
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Hmmmm…you don’t think? ….naaww!
Riverpearl says:
October 23, 2010 at 2:06 am
More info on KH motion on 11:00pm KGW newscast.
KH asking for interviews w/ TMH friends & family, mental health eval’, look @ her medical records -and- since she is requesting him to pay, wants her.financials & how than is she paying House.
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While this is an understandable request from Kaine’s perspective .. Terri and her attorneys will ask for reciprocal discovery that should include the RO filed by Desiree and the circumstances in that divorce … as well as opening up any lifestyle issues Kaine may have … KH will have to say where kitty is staying and who her primary caregive is … opening up a whole other can of worms.
This is just going to get uglier and messier … I’m not sure I get why Kaine is so hell bent on this divorce action now … if he is so sure that TH is responsible for Ky’s disappearance, why not let the criminal case move forward first and the divorce issue will be a given???
Our mayor’s has a lifestyle and large support group
that is all I want to say
I never saw this before, but quite chilling if it’s really her. I do know sometimes sociopaths (or psychopaths if she truly is one) do get ideas from TV shows sometimes. TMH was allegedly a fan of not only CSI but “Dexter” as well. I have never watched it, but everything I’ve heard about it on the blogs, isn’t the show quite creepy?
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/07/kyron-horman-update-rdsqrl-lists-enter-a-murderer-book-just-weeks-before-boys-disappearance/
@Kimberly says:
October 23, 2010 at 12:13 pm
So while snooping around agaainnnn, lol, I checked AV myspace page, seen he had a friend listed with the Initials of DL, clicked on him, found a friend with the last name of sanchez, clicked on it and found someone with the last name of SOSA, Lastly , clicked on her and found
ELSA MEIJA
Link is below
http://es-la.facebook.com/people/Elsa-Mejia/100000643103724
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Okay, so the world is small !
Just how many degrees of separation in there in Kyron’s case?
This simply blows me away. WOW–just WOW.
JMHO
22.Skyline parent says:
October 23, 2010 at 10:38 am
Kyron was supposed to be in the talent show. The principal called his name and his teacher said he was absent. Lots of parents were there.
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Thank you, Skyline, for providing this very interesting piece of the puzzle. IMO, it shows that the teacher had the clear impression from TMH that she was going to take Kyron to a doctor’s appointment after the SF. I would bet that LE was very interested in exploring this bit of “misinformation”.
@riverpearl
I read some place lately that Terri will probably have brown hair
sooner or later as it would be better in court
I think it was on some blog
maybe you saw it also
I kind of brushed it off
as an opinion
red vs brown LOL
@riverpearl
I saw her pic with that DUI and she had kind of blonde hair
in my opinion moo I thought she looked better
39.riverpearl says:
October 23, 2010 at 1:29 pm
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lol, yes exactly what I thought when I seen that.
@SouthernMom
@GraceintheHills
@Wordweaver
@lyla
@Idahogal
I keep moving my tent around the campsite and am bumping into you all … good questions !!!
@11.DEB1948 says:
October 22, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Proof that a note and glasses were delivered to the Hormans…where is that link? THANKS!
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Speculation as far as I know…
Malty,
Your seemingly simplistic statement is actually very powerful. When contemplating statements about TH’s support group, I think TH’s fails in comparison.
Considering the Mayor’s overall lack of proper etiquette in many situations, I still find it odd that he did not choose to welcome students back to Skyline, CONSIDERING the devastation of Kyron’s disappearance and the impact it must have had on the student body, parents, faculty, Portland in general, AND the entire country. It is too easy to say, “That is just Mayor Adam’s”…….
IMO KH “cannot stop”.
People have asked about “his emotions” & this seems to be where he is directing them.
IMO He “wants her to talk” & “knows of no other way”.
I remember what Desiree “had to do” when she filed for divorce.
IMO Child(ren) are a “bone of contention” for KH & non-withstanding his only son is missing.
I agree the divorce is gonna get “uglier & messier”. Look @ the sheer number of people to be subpoenaed for requested deposition & court appearances. The EXTENSIVE DISCOVERY & REVIEW OF DOCUMENTS etc. I am amazed HIS case would ONLY take 2-3 days to present to the Court.
JMHO … questioning.
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puzzled says:
October 23, 2010 at 1:07 pm
… I’m not sure I get why Kaine is so hell bent on this divorce action now …
@ riverpearl says:
October 23, 2010 at 12:38 pm
With my pre-dawn reading of the pdf copy of KH’s motion, one glaring point @ this time that stands out-he is NOT seeking to consolidate the FAPA/RO with the divorce.
He may do consolidate in the future but this current motion starts w/ the “time limit” w/ appealing FAPA/RO & moves into what NEEDS to HAPPEN IF the Court “grants” TMH motion.
I recently had asked how TMH could “have it both ways” ie. seeking & being granted an abatement while stating ANY questions would be answered w/ taking the 5th & than turn around & ask for “change in FAPA/RO visitation”. Some questioned me because it “sounded like I thought Kitty should not see her mother”. But I was asking about the “double standard” of TMH. Simply how could a person claim one way but turn around & try for something w/o following the “stated rules” ?
Is this “ALL’ standard in divorce proceedings ? (snip)”
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-In my state child custody is always a separate action from divorce if the parties are not divorced yet, but separated and in need of determinations for custody and child support. You handle child custody and child support in Family Court in my state, while a county court handles divorces. This is because my state is not no-fault. I do not know Oregon law. If it handles child custody the same way, a couple can linger in pending-divorce bickering for years, yet have an iron-clad child custody and child support court order in the meantime. This is a good thing for kids, actually, because in some states divorces can drag out forever. There is thus no need to keep children isolated from parents just because a divorce is not final, and this also prevents unscrupulous spouses with loads of money from keeping children from the other (often poor) parent.
If Oregon law allows TH to pursue visitation prior to her divorce even being in court yet, then she’s going to go for it.
Correction :riverpearl says: October 23, 2010 at 11:37 am
“DDS/cousin” has recently ” posted “MCSO’s, ***OSPO’s***” …
Sorry, not trying to create a “new” agency. Thanks