Kyron Horman Missing: Kaine And Terri Horman Face Off In Family Court
Portland, Or– Following one of the largest organized search weekends on Sauvie Island since Kyron Horman, 8,was abducted from Skyline School on June 4, his step-mother and father squared off in family court. Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father, arrived with his attorney, Laura Rackner.
Kaine’s estranged wife Terri Horman, arrived with her criminal defense attorney; Stephen Houze and her family law attorney Peter Bunch.
Mr. Horman appeared in a crisp-white dress shirt and tie, and Ms. Moulton-Horman wore an eggplant hued suit with a long skirt.
Cameras were banned in the downtown Multnomah County courtroom; however, there were apparently several hidden “nests” as the tweets were flying real-time.
Peter Bunch, counsel to Terri Horman, is adamant his client is the subject of more than one criminal investigation:
“The state has the ability to obtain every single bit of information that is produced in this case and that is outside the bounds of what it could do were this proceeding not occurring,” Bunch said in court.
“It is fundamentally unfair for Kitty (Kiara) and for Miss Horman for me to be hamstrung in the divorce case for the information I have compared to what they have.” “The publicity that’s going on is not being driven by Ms. Horman, it’s being driven by Mr. Horman, when he tells national media there’s no doubt Ms. Horman is involved.” “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.” “We’ll concede, Mr. Horman can have the house, right now. Mrs. Horman is going to lose money…”
Terri Horman has not been declared a suspect in either Kyron Horman’s disappearance or the alleged murder for hire plot against Kaine Horman. She is however, seeking access to all of her 911 calls dating back to the DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS.
While this timeline coincides with accusations by Kaine Horman in his filings that Terri attempted to arrange to have him murdered, this is the first public revelation of that call. Bunch went on to say that Rackner and Kaine Horman, who are parties to case sensitive criminal investigation materials involving Terri, are at a supreme advantage to his client who should only be expected to plead her protections under the 5th amendment as a result.
After heated debate by those sides, we learned: Rudy Sanchez, the infamous landscaper/hitman for hire, has an alias, and has eluded service in the civil matter to date, although he appears to have cooperated. Bunch proclaims Sanchez is unlocatable as a result of MCSO unwillingness to share discovery of a witness in the civil case ( blink holds hands over eyes).
Michael Cook, a/k/a sexter king, waited all afternoon via subpoena by Rackner, but was only interviewed by the press. He states he cut ties with both Terri and Kaine days before he was outed for invasive scapular intrusions. No word on that healing process.
Terri Horman had her own personal black Friday this year.
She called 911 THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS. Regular contributors and readers of blinkoncrime.com doubt she had sale flyer questions.
Judge Keith Meisenheimer, was sensitive to Kaine and Kyron’s ‘round the clock nightmare, but feels some time may allow things to shake out. January 6, 2011 to be exact.
Following this afternoon’s legal melee, blinkoncrime.com Editor In Chief asked prominent Washington State Family Law Attorney, Lea Conner, to weigh in:
Although I preface my comments with the fact that I practice family law in Washington State and not in Oregon, I am an Oregon native that has followed this case closely.
I’m a bit perplexed by Peter Bunch’s reasoning that if the court were to abate the dissolution, he would respond by filing a motion to modify the restraining order so that Terri Horman could have visitation with the parties’ daughter. Essentially, Mr. Bunch is arguing that the abatement would prejudice his client’s ability to parent her child. My understanding of the Multnomah County local rules is that an abatement means that the entire case is halted. Neither party can bring a motion before the court, nor can the court hear argument or make any ruling on motions.
It was also interesting to hear Mr. Bunch argue that proceeding with the divorce would violate Ms. Horman’s right against self-incrimination in the disappearance of her stepson. This is the first time that Terri Horman has publicly acknowledged any self-incrimination issues. In her motion for abatement, Ms. Horman, through counsel, argued that the ongoing investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance had made it “virtually impossible…to proceed with divorce-related issues in an effective an[d] orderly fashion[.]” Were Mr. Bunch to bring a motion to allow visitation, Mr. Horman would no doubt argue that Ms. Horman’s actions demonstrate that Ms Horman or someone she knew was responsible for Kyron Horman’s disappearance, and that her behavior since Kyron’s disappearance shows that she is unstable and poses a threat to their daughter’s safety.
I do not believe Mr. Horman would raise Ms. Horman’s 2005 convictions for DUI and reckless endangerment, as not only later chose to have a child with Ms. Horman since that time, he also left both of his children in her care for extended periods while he was at work. Under those facts, it would be hard to conclude that Mr. Horman believed Ms. Horman posed a threat to their daughter. The judge’s comment that “[e]ventually, Terri will have to decide whether or not to plead the fifth, regardless of the timing of the proceedings,” seems to indicate that the judge may not be willing to hold the action in abatement past the January 6, 2011, hearing.
I’m also interested in Mr. Bunch’s comment that “Rudy Sanchez” is an alias. If that’s true, then what is Rudy Sanchez’ real name, and how exactly did he first come in contact with Terri Horman?
It was also strange to learn that Michael Cook was subpoenaed to testify at the hearing. I’m curious if there were others scheduled to testify as well. I cannot speak to how the Oregon court operates in practice. However, I note that each party provided written affidavits in support of their respective motions.
Is there some reason that Mr. Cook’s statement could only be presented in oral testimony?
I’m not sure I understand Mr. Bunch’s logic in saying “If this is not abated we will not get reciprocal discovery.”
The state is not a party to a dissolution action. In a dissolution action, the parties can seek discovery from each other, and depending on the court rules, from third parties as well.
I’m not sure why Mr. Bunch would have the impression that there would be reciprocal discovery with a third party in a dissolution action, especially when that third party is law enforcement.
There’s a disconnect between Mr. Bunch’s argument that Ms. Horman cannot defend herself because she would incriminate herself in the disappearance of her stepson, and his statement that “If Mr. Horman is really interested in what‘s best for the child, then Mr. Horman wouldn’t object to any visitation by this child’s mother.”
The apparent logic is that Ms. Horman admits that if she speaks, she will incriminate herself in some as-yet-to-be-named crime related to Kyron’s disappearance, yet Mr. Horman is now supposed to trust her to care for his other child, because that’s so obviously in their daughter’s best interest.
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“During the hearing, Bunch corrected Rackner, who suggested that Terri Horman’s son James was living with his father. No, Bunch said flatly, James is living with his mother.” [DID NOT EXPECT TO HEAR THAT. COULD JAMES HAVE FELT SORRY FOR HER ? IS THIS BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO KEEP THAT CHILD SUPPORT CHECK COMING?]
“Terri Horman, dressed in a blue suit, sat in between her two attorneys … while Kaine,…sat…besides his two divorce attorneys.” [FIRST TIME READING/ HEARING KH HAS TWO DIVORCE ATTORNEYS]
Meisenheimer said,”The highest interest in this whole proceeding is to try to find the child alive.” [SO, WE HAVE KH, RACKNER AND NOW THE JUDGE BRINGING KYRON"S DISAPPEARANCE/ CRIMINAL CASE INTO THE DIVORCE. IT IS GETTING VERY "MESSY" -AND- WOULD SEEM TO GIVE TMH & HOUZE & BUNCH MUCH MORE LATITUDE.]
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/judge_delays_terri_and_kaine_h.html
@riverpearl~ I think they are referring to Houze and Bunch, not 2 DIVORCE attorneys. Could be wrong….since I don’t know who she was sitting between.
Sartori,
Can you please just tell us in a sentence or two what you’re thinking? It may be me, but it seems every time you try to explain what you “discovered”, I get more confused. Are you saying the mayor knows that the man in the picture is involved?
Annals says:
October 8, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Beejay, I think Rudy has at least 2 kids, the little girl in the photo Blink stealthily produced and the 7 year old boy referenced by the commenter Goodnessme. (open Goodnessme’s comment to the KATU article linked below – but Beejay I’m sure this comment is old news to you).
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99594834.html
http://blinkoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Sanchez_201.jpg
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Blink … where did the photo of the one mystery guy above come from? Honestly this photo gave me chills and it’s the 1st time I’ve ever seen it. Does anyone else think this guy looks like the guy LE is still allegedly searching for in another Portland incident near a school in early October? He sure looks like one and the same to me! Anyone else?
Posted on October 1, 2010 at 7:49 AM
Updated Friday, Oct 1 at 8:01 AM
Related:
“Police release sketch of sex offender near Portland school”
http://www.kgw.com/news/Police-warn-of-man-exposing-himself-near-Portland-school-103951459.html
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* Letter sent to Hosford students & parents
PORTLAND – Police have released a sketch of a man who was spotted exposing himself near a Southeast Portland school last week.
Authorities are hoping the sketch will help them identify and track down a suspect. Meantime, police and school officials have been warning people to beware of the lurking sex offender.
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At one point, the man got out of the car and walked after a student, police said.
The suspect was described as a Hispanic man in his 20′s to late 30′s, about 5’2 and 150 pounds, with very short dark hair, wearing a light-colored shirt and dark pants or jeans. Police said his head was almost shaved and he had a mustache and a goatee.
His vehicle was described as an older model, white 4-door smaller car, possibly a Pontiac, with a dent on one of the front fenders, possibly black wheels and black bumpers, with black scratches on the rear passenger side fender.
Anyone with information about the suspect was urged to call 9-1-1.
A letter was sent home to parents. It read in part:
This morning, five of our female students and a staff member (three separate sightings) saw a man driving a white sedan lurking around school grounds on SE 26th Ave, SE Grant St. and SE 28th Pl. All describe him as being in his early 20’s to 40’s, dark skinned, possibly Hispanic. The first set of students describe him being sexually inappropriate as they walked by his car which was parked on 26th Ave. As they hurried past, he started his car and pulled along side them making inaudible remarks. Thankfully, they were able to run away and immediately report the incident to the school.
Look at the nose, the shaved hair, the mustache, goatee, the physique of this guy …. they all match! The hair in front hanging down is slightly different, but police sketches are sometimes slightly off on hair features.
Complete article link is above … I specifically left out the disgusting details of what this guy was supposedly doing when he approached several middle school girls and got out of his car and walked after one of them.
Comments … anyone???
@justice23 – they already caught the man above.
http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2010/10/06/police-caught-the-masturbator
RE: justice23 says:
October 8, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Hi Justice. The picture of the man walking with a folder under his arm and with the little girl next to him has been featured in a couple of Blink’s articles; most recently the one linked below. I am in awe that she got it and knew who it is. It’s Rudy Sanchez, Terri’s landscaper/lover who Blink identified some months ago. I did not mean to assert that’s he’s a mysery man; though I can see how you’d get that from reading my post.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#more-4549
@justice23 – LE arrested someone in the incidents near Hosford.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/suspect_arrested_in_public_ind.html
Annals says:
October 8, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Beejay, I think Rudy has at least 2 kids, the little girl in the photo Blink stealthily produced and the 7 year old boy referenced by the commenter Goodnessme.
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Thanks for trying. Due to my computer’s defenses, I can’t download the katu link you gave me. It is not old news to me. Though I do recall some confusion about a commenter referencing how they felt about their own son, and readers thinking it meant Rudy (?) had a son the same age, but it wasn’t true. Is GOODNESSME someone you know and would believe as a source?
As to Blink’s photo: the girl does look like Jaime Mejia to me, too. Annals, you said you think that’s Rudy’s daughter–why?
justice23 says:
October 8, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Comments … anyone???
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Kyron’s disapearance has everything to do with Terri and who she associated with.
‘Husband is not looking to Wife for money: he is seeking to share in a money paid by a third party to prosecute or defend the suit” (emphasis supplied) Husband , however, is not seeking money from Wife. That is because Husband has substantial savings and a high income, and because he is fully aware Wife has no money. Her only income in 2010 was from unemployment benefits, which ended last June. She has no significant assets. Those facts illustrate the absurdity of Husband’s motion: even were the court to order Wife to pay Husband suit money, she could not comply with the court’s order.”
“Husband is not looking to Wife for money: he is seeking to share in money paid by a third party or parties to Mr. Houze. There is no language in ORS 107.095(1) that authorizes the court to order a person who is not a party to a divorce to pay suit money, especially when that person is a lawyer who is hired in a different matter.”
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#1. States: “TMH ONLY income for 2010 was unemployment that ended June 2010″.
ANSWER: TMH HAS RECEIVED over $500.00 in CHILD SUPPORT EVERY MONTH since her divorce from 2nd husband who adopted her son JM from her 1st marriage.
#2. STATES: “There is no language in ORS 107.095(1) that authorizes the court to order a person who is not a party to a divorce to pay suit money, especially when that person is a lawyer who is hired in a different matter.”
ANSWER:The PERSON that PAID suit money IS a LAWYER (SH?) who was HIRED in a different manner.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/c/0/9/c09a8c35-dbaa-4b10-860f-4487d00f3637/Memo_suitmoney.pdf
@ beejay “There are no innocent adults in this picture. There are just adults whose backgrounds have not been fully exposed in the media. That I will promise you.” — very well said
“Finally, as set forth above, Wife owes her divorce lawyer a substantial amount of money, due in part to the work necessary to defend against Husband’s frivolous motion that has an agenda that is far different than a request for suit money. There has to be some accountability for these kinds of tactics. Accordingly, Wife respectfully requests specific findings in support of award of attorney fee pursuant to ORS 20.105(1), or in the alternative, pursuant to ORS 107.445″
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STATES: “Wife owes her divorce lawyer a substantial amount of money, due in part to the work necessary to defend against Husband’s frivolous motion that has an agenda that is far different than a request for suit money.”
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:There has to be some accountability for these kinds of tactics. Accordingly, Wife respectfully requests specific findings in support of award of attorney fee.”
ANSWER: TMH WANTS her divorce attorney substantial fees PAID IN FULL by KH because he has brought frivolous motion.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/c/0/9/c09a8c35-dbaa-4b10-860f-4487d00f3637/Memo_suitmoney.pdf
This has nothing to do with Kyron’s case, it does however show that there are things that go on in this world that are more common than most would like to admit. This is in “my” state.
http://www.wlky.com/news/25329095/detail.html
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
FWIW here is the Koin6 link to Memo for abatement:
http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/0/9/e/09ed8122-16eb-4a52-987c-3a139c024bcd/memo_abatement.pdf
Everyone,
I think this is the last time I am going to do this LOL. I thought I would break down what I said by section:
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The first quoted segment below should be self-explanatory. If not, I seriously can’t help…..
“This is the way it is. Always, when I study something intense, it requires a day of rest for my brain to assimilate the information. It processes in the night. That is way, crash studying really does not work …not for me anyway.”
The next segment talks about me reading something Blink wrote, but nothing registered / clicked with me. I pondered it for quite a while. What else is new lol.
“When I read Blink’s initial comments on the Mayor’s limited response on Kyron, it did not really resonate — perhaps largely because I was already processing a boat-load of opposite information.”
The next sentence talks about POWERS. Who is powerful in this discussion?
“The very funny part is, I questioned the powers that be in the very beginning. And after sleeping on Blink’s statement, coupled with Newsatfive’s input”
The final portion of the statement should be self explanatory too. It suggests that the Mayor commented on ONE SINGLE PERSON, Tweeted about it. In the scheme of the Mayor’s entire input on this case publically, I would say that is a BIG DEAL. That BIG DEAL, that MAN was eventually “DISMISSED” but what I said implies that the mail focused on someone “TO DISMISS”……of all the many potential people that were at the fair that day. Never another PEEP or TWEET.
“……oh yes, why Mayor. Why comment on that one and only solitary man in the photo of potential opportunists to dismiss? Boots? Anyone?”
I get the feeling that is all I need to know.”
Sorry — mail = Mayor. And boots == vampire fashion.
And Moo to anything and everything I ever say here. That should cover forever.
50.lyla says:
October 8, 2010 at 6:17 pm
@10.Idahogal says:
October 7, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Brace yourselves, this is a long one…
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Idahogal, I have read your entire post. I have questions tho.
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Okay, lyla, I will do my best to answer. Keep in mind that this is a theory based on all the info. we have gleaned, my notes and Blink quotes and is all subject to MOO!
Are you saying TH had no clue Ky would go missing that day? Yes.
she may have had cell phone calls that day from RS? This would account for cell pings on Sauvie Island? Yes, as in TH had cell pings that put her on Sauvie Island that day, and maybe RS and others did too. Whether they were calling one another is something only LE knows.
RS himself conjured up the ransom scenario by note or cell? Yes
TH couldn’t come up with the ransom so RS handed Ky over to someone else for the $$$? No – I don’t think RS and/or other parties involved had any intention of returning Ky, I think the ransom was a ploy to buy time and throw LE off track, and it worked.
RS did all this to throw suspicion on TH for whatever? No, he did it for his own personal revenge or on behalf of others that wanted revenge and threatened him, causing him to act. TH did a great job of placing suspicion on her own stupid self.
So TH is implicated by association only with RS? Yes, not only by her association with RS as in the MFH, but also her actions before and after June 4th, and any other activities she may have been involved in that we are not privy to, but LE knows about.
After all this RS has disappeared? Not under the radar anymore? Yes, he has disappeared to the general public, media and apparently TH’s attorneys, but IMO LE knows exactly where he is.
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41.GraceintheHills says:
October 8, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Idahogal, as I was re-reading your excellent post, I just had a terrible thought cross my mind. Getting ready to MOO here: What if it WAS RS who lured Kyron out of the school? Couldn’t he have met up with TMH outside a FM and handed Ky off to her? She does have that 90 minute period of time that is unaccounted for that morning. In this scenario RS would not necessarily know Kyron’s current whereabouts, so he would no be able to lead LE to Kyron’s location. I really don’t want this scenario to be true, because I do NOT want to believe she was capable of doing something like this.
@graceinthehills – Excellent thinking, my dear. Yes, I suppose that is a possibility, although I really think TH was blindsided and IMO not capable of hurting Ky. At least I hope not, only time will tell.
@Satori – With all due respect, yes, respect…just spit it out, for God’s sake. Yes, you are smart, this is not a contest so stop playing games here. We all share, you are the first person I’ve seen that has refused to do so and I am not amused. Don’t tell beejay to “think about it”, she’s one of the best sleuths around. Now it’s your turn to show some respect and just answer our questions, please. TIA.
Satori 10/08 5:58pm
Thanks for the thoughtful post. I think I am on the same page. I do not think an actual suspect would be named in public, as such, so early on, so I discount the news articles that says this person was cleared by LE. That would be the only was to put someone in their comfort zone and stick around and not lawyer up.
What I think is more telling is the people who have made their way into the public forum (ie AL, DDS, JW, etc.) and those that have not, TH, RS and this guy. I guess the question is whether this guy is RS. Now I realize many people have been asked by LE not to share information or details of that day, but still they manage when asked to at least acknowledge that they were there and offer support to the family.
At the time your comments evolved, we were all kind of collectively trying to figure out who was at the school that day. By that picture, we may not know who, but now we know how LE, DY and KH know. If is was not someone already in LE’s sights, there would be a big fat BOLO. TY.
GraceintheHills 10/08 4:27 pm
I have considered the very same scenario that you wrote about. I think it is plausible for RS to have handed Ky back to TH. I think it would have been a very sophisticated move on her part though, as she would have a ransom note that she chose to hide for at least the better part of that day. I can’t reconcile that, but maybe you can, like I said she might be that sophisticated.
Okay, Satori, I get it! Mayor Adams knew way back then that the person who took Ky from school, and left the muddy bootprints in the hallway was: the man in the plaid shirt!
Now all we need is for some Skyline parents to identify that man for us.
But I think someone already said he’s a parent who didn’t want the media hounding him. And a parent, obviously, couldn’t be a suspect now could he? Could he?
“…asserts that the money was “neither a loan nor a gift.”
Is this another”she owes someone something” &/or “someone expects something from her”?
Is this quid pro quo – I do something from you & you will do something for me?
Ill gotten gains paid from 3rd party on behalf of TMH -but- IS NOT a gift -or- loan & not a “recognized” employer ? [Which would fly in the face of receiving unemployment $.]
Income gained in a matter that one would not want to have to claim for taxes?
Payment of services rendered/ performed/ exchanged?
@justice 23…. your link to goodnessme is what people were looking for the other day on here. This is the comment that Blink responded to saying the person that wrote it was the wife of RS.
For those that want to see it again here ya go….
“I happen to know the poor landscaper that was thrown into the middle of this plot. He was not asked to do it for money, just for “protection”. Terri said the marriage wasn’t going well and that he had all the money and control, so she needed a way out. The landscaper suggested she get a job and move out and have state services help her in getting custody of her daughter. The next time she spoke to him, she told him she had filed for divorce. He did not work for her or speak to her again. At the time, he felt that she had been distraught, and didn’t know how to get out of an “ugly” marriage. He also was lead to believe that she had taken his advice. Now he feels horrible about what has taken place so many months later. On top of that, He and his family are being hounded by media and he is fearful of losing his business, all because this horrible woman approached him with a “favor” that he obviously refused. If you knew this guy, you would wonder why on earth she would even think that he would be the type to do such a thing. He is just a very nice guy.
I understand Kaine’s logic of “if only he had done what she asked, my son would be here now.” But this further puts the poor man landscaper into the middle of a drama he never asked for or wanted to be in! This drama is taking it’s toll on everyone, and seeing the fatigue and stress in the landscaper (and finally asking him “what’s wrong?”) shows me the harmful ripple affect this is having on everyone involved. The media playing up aspects of the case to make it more dramatic (saying she offered him money to kill him, when she actually sobbed and tried to play on his sympathy, for instance) just makes this already confounding case more confusing and makes me lose the ability to trust anything that is supposedly based in “fact”.
Side note- He did feel Terri was acting very suspicious during the first days that the family came into the spotlight. He had been investigated thoroughly, giving over his cell phones, his records, his computers, etc… he complied with everything and was given the official check off. He gave all information that he had and has been cooperative in the utmost. He does not understand for the life of him why Terri would not do the same.
Finally, he said Kyron is a sweet, shy, cute kid and his heart breaks every day knowing that he is missing. He has a seven year old son, as well, and cannot even imagine the pain that the family is enduring at this moment. ”
@Blink… you were all over the reply on that comment!
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
TMH parents house is not value @ $350K. The parents did re-finance but for approx. $150K.
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lyla says:
October 8, 2010 at 12:59 pm
I read that TH’s parents mortgaged or took a second mortgage on their home in Roseburg supposedly going toward the retainer.
One more thing….how the hell would the mayor know anything about the guy in the picture he tweeted about? I know I’m a little slow, but right now I’m startin’ to feel a little bit like a snail….geeze Louise!
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers and sister.
Are you telling me the man in Kyron’s Sci project pic- the one with the plaid shirt on in the background has never been identified? Satori- Beejay are you guys saying this is the guy that left the boot prints?
Is there a question of his guilt in the disappearance?
Someone please clue me in- am I misunderstanding here?
Spit it out?
I can’t get anymore simple than this….but I did not want to go here.
I am VERY suspicious of the powers that be in Oregon. I am suspicious of the Mayor. I feel that the Mayor was trying to deceive.
MOO
If this is not in line with what Blink thought I meant, then she will have to say it. If you all are having trouble deciphering what I am saying and have tried to say previously, then…..? Blink?
Very respectfully, I just don’t know what else to say.
Guys- let’s move on. Horse Is dead, has been.
Either y’all are not reading the posts, or you want a more specific answer your not going to get.
When things move from opinion to accusation, it is a slippery slope I am not looking to ride at the moment.
B
I’m sorry – but why are we accepting the comment of an anonymous poster on the internet as fact?? The woman who posted about RS – first of all, if we believe some news reports, there are TWO DIFFERENT LANDSCAPERS involved. If we don’t believe the media – why would we believe an anonymous poster???
It just seems irresponsible to take the word of an anonymous poster as FACT in this case – no matter how tempting it is.
Just a “guess, Sammy has an axe to grind w/ WW. If there was ‘glory’ to be ‘gained’ Sammy most readily would try for it to one “up’” WW. They “outed” his relationship w/ teen-ager Breedlove.
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S says:
October 8, 2010 at 5:55 pm & 2:11 pm
:I find it very odd that Adams Tweets about the man in the photo — specifically the 2nd photo. That was minutes after the WW story broke. …”
RE: beejay says:
October 8, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Hi Beejay. I think that the girl in the picture of Rudy Sanchez might be his daughter because she is so near to him and seems to be looking at him. The location looks to be a public place, as opposed to, say, his residence. In other words, while walking in public with small children, we keep them very close. If she were walking with someone else, say someone directly behind him, then she’s too far away from that hidden person for safety. And she resembles him enough for it to be believable. Just my opinion.
And, yes she does resemble Jamie Mejia, but her hair is lighter brown. I think Jamie’s hair would appear black in the lighting in the photo. And for that matter, the girl with Rudy looks just like some old photos of me at age 4.
http://blinkoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Sanchez_201.jpg
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The KATU article entitled; WW report: Kaine Wishes Plot Against Him Had Succeeded; dated July 29, 2010;
In the comments to that article is this one by Goodnessme; 1st & last paragraphs only;
I happen to know the poor landscaper that was thrown into the middle of this plot. He was not asked to do it for money, just for “protection”. Terri said the marriage wasn’t going well and that he had all the money and control, so she needed a way out. The landscaper suggested she get a job and move out and have state services help her in getting custody of her daughter. The next time she spoke to him, she told him she had filed for divorce. He did not work for her or speak to her again. At the time, he felt that she had been distraught, and didn’t know how to get out of an “ugly” marriage. He also was lead to believe that she had taken his advice. Now he feels horrible about what has taken place so many months later. On top of that, He and his family are being hounded by media and he is fearful of losing his business, all because this horrible woman approached him with a “favor” that he obviously refused. If you knew this guy, you would wonder why on earth she would even think that he would be the type to do such a thing. He is just a very nice guy.
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Finally, he said Kyron is a sweet, shy, cute kid and his heart breaks every day knowing that he is missing. He has a seven year old son, as well, and cannot even imagine the pain that the family is enduring at this moment.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99594834.html
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Goodnessme’s comments were linked here on BOC sometime in August and it’s the one where Blink wrote; that’s his wife, lol. In a response to a response in the same KATU comments section, Goodnessme said she is one of Rudy’s landscape customers. When this was brought up again a few weeks ago, Blink wrote, Let’s just say that Google translation isn’t perfect. (Blink’s comments paraphriased)
No I do not know Goodnessme. I notice that this comment by her/him is the only one she/he has ever made over at KATU. As you know, reference to the landscapper/mfh is very scarce in the mainstream media. The article at KATU was printed when Kaine was quoted as saying something to the effect that had the mfh plot succeeded kyron might still be alive, etc.
In the middle portion of Goodnessme’s comments she said, “I understand Kaine’s logic of “if only he had done what she asked, my son would be here now.” But this further puts the poor man landscaper into the middle of a drama he never asked for or wanted to be in!”
I think Goodnessme was panicked that the media had brought it back up and felt the need to put out a good word for the poor man landscaper. Whoever Goodnessme is, I believe she knows Rudy. Again just my opinion.
This is not a joke on me…is it? Seriously.
NurseRatchett says:
October 8, 2010 at 6:50 pm
@riverpearl~ I think they are referring to Houze and Bunch, not 2 DIVORCE attorneys. Could be wrong….since I don’t know who she was sitting between
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I have included below the complete paragraph from the Oregonian link I had supplied in my post @ 6:28pm that you refer to.
The article states TMH sat in BETWEEN her 2 attorney -&- KH sat BESIDE his @ 2 divorce attorneys.
Does that clear it up for you?
“Terri Horman, dressed in a blue suit, sat in between her two attorneys, while Kaine, wearing a white dress shirt and trousers, sat at the far end of a table, besides his two divorce attorneys. They avoided eye contact throughout.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/judge_delays_terri_and_kaine_h.html
Thanks to everyone who posted back regarding my original questions on the predator on the loose that was recently caught in Portland. Didn’t know he was recently caught, but really glad to know. He really did look a lot like the guy in the photo Blink mentioned earlier, but now that I see the actual perpetrator, in real life he doesn’t look anything like the other guy. Amazing how police drawings can mimick innocent people I guess. My apologies for being so wrong on that one. Hmmm … maybe my husband’s right and I really DO need glasses? LOL
8.Maat says:
October 8, 2010 at 1:05 pm
@Kimberly
The little girl in the science fair photo does look an awful lot like the missing girl. And now the way the man is leaning back to avoid being in the picture looks suspicious to me. Usually you would try to get yourself AND your kid out of someone elses picture if it were innocent. But how can it be her if the girl’s mother abducted her on May 19?
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The missing persons post says “ALLEGEDLY” In May!
I take that to mean that they don’t really know for sure
as they are relying on other(s) who say when they disappeared!
The Felony warrant wasn’t issued until the end of July!
Blink,
If anything is not good to post, please don’t post it. I visibly went round and round trying to be respectful. I doubt there will be another time where this happens, but…….
Yeah. Horse was dead long ago. Mystified by it all here.
It is all good, you were respectful, I expect others to be as well, moving on.
B
The person that looks like a headless lumberjack in the back of the science fair photo might be a woman. It’s hard to identify details in a low-res photo but the stripes on the plaid shirt are clearly curving.
It’s possible we are seeing the person’s backside and the person is bending over away from us to examine a display. This position would cause the plaid stripes to curve. There also appears to be hair hanging over the back collar of the shirt.
It’s also possible we are seeing the person’s front side and the plaid stripes are curving over the person’s pregnant belly, or otherwise large belly.
Bottom line: this could be a man OR a woman.
“headless lumberjack”.. I needed a laugh this morning, thank you.
Tis a dude.
B
Thanks cbickel and Annals for bringing the GOODNESSME post over. So, do we believe that this poster? Rudy has a 7-yr old son? Somewhat of a coincidence, but okay.
Does he also have a 5 yr old daughter and an infant son (about 20 months old now)?
18.Idahogal says:
October 8, 2010 at 8:54 pm
50.lyla says:
October 8, 2010 at 6:17 pm
@10.Idahogal says:
October 7, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Brace yourselves, this is a long one…
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Thanks Idahogal…one more question..(or two)..Is this about revenge, an unpaid debt and the biggie….your opinion..why was Kyron disposed of? What satisfaction/reward did the individual(s) receive for participating in his demise?
So the powers that be are pointing the finger early on, to some unidentified scapegoat wearing plaid, because they are aware of what is really going on, and that awareness didn’t come from LE?
Movin’ On.
justice23 – The man was arrested by PPD. His photo is included @ link below.
“Suspect arrested in public indecency case involving Hosford Middle School students in Portland”
“Pedro Prieto-Enriquez, who was lodged in Multnomah County jail, faces one count of public indecency, but more charges could follow, according to Sgt. Pete Simpson, spokesman for Portland police.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/suspect_arrested_in_public_ind.html
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justice23 says:
October 8, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Blink … where did the photo of the one mystery guy above come from? Honestly this photo gave me chills and it’s the 1st time I’ve ever seen it. Does anyone else think this guy looks like the guy LE is still allegedly searching for in another Portland incident near a school in early October? He sure looks like one and the same to me! Anyone else?
RE: COURT
Talk about Kyron = Get to see Kiara
Don’t talk about Kyron = Don’t get to see Kiara
3 Month Delay = Let’s see if the state can come up with enough evidence to get an arrest by then.
2 Year Custody Concession = The minimum time TH expects to be busy.
Did I get that right?
ROTFLMAO @ Blink –
Except on odd leap years.
B
Quick funny on this subject and feel free not to post since not related to Kyron.
My first year in college a bunch of us girls went out to a LEAP DAY party at a club (aka meat market). We met up with a bunch of guys celebrating one’s birthday. It was obvious they were older, in particular, the birthday boy. He obviously wanted to be younger because when asked how old he was, after the joke he was only 5…he then said 19…and that he was born in 1969…more likely 1960 IMO but it was funny to see his face when my friend called him on it. Always think of him on leap day every four EVEN years. LOL
And we though only “women” lied about their ages!
There is a very clear shot of the Mystery Man #2 here: http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=125336750831264&share_id=132570753439082&comments=1#s132570753439082
That is, on the Missing Kyron Horman Facebook page under links posted June 24 at 7:33pm.
@Satori, absent any other information showing actual neferiocity(tm), I’m inclined to think that the mayor’s interjection in the case was simply his posturing. Fabricated (intent to deceive)? Sure, I’ll buy that. Significant to the resolution of this case?
I agree w/you. This is not how the DA wanted his case to go…jeez can nothing go right…hmmm?
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S says:
October 7, 2010 at 8:50 pm
“Looks like Bunch and Houze will get their hands on evidence relevant to the abduction investigation which has been used in the divorce proceedings. Blink warned of this and a friend’s daughter who has been a paralegal for several years said one of her bosses said Kaine’s divorce attorney would ultimately hurt the prosecution in the abduction case. I had no idea what she was talking about then, but it makes much more sense now.”
This is the reason that the DA is running this investigation now..
Rackner has a good reputation, I am surprised this went down the way it did. I really believe all the eggs were in the June 26th basket.
Le will be picking from the poisonous tree on the mfh issue as far as Terri is concerned.
B
Mom3.0 says:
October 8, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Are you telling me the man in Kyron’s Sci project pic- the one with the plaid shirt on in the background has never been identified? Satori- Beejay are you guys saying this is the guy that left the boot prints?
Is there a question of his guilt in the disappearance?
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Mom3.0; There are two different photos from the science fair which have men in the background. They appear to be two different men. In the photo with Kyron the man in the background is wearing a plaid shirt and his face is not showing.
In the photo of Kyron’s project, in which Kyron does not appear, there is a man’s face, blurry and at the edge of the photo. (His face is circled in white in the Wweek article linked.) I say he’s a different man because he is wearing a dark crewneck sweater or sweatshirt over a white shirt. That is the one Mayor Sam Adams tweeted about and whom LE has said they have identified.
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/22/kyron-horman-update-man-spotted-in-photo-from-stepmoms-facebook-page/
@beejay says:
October 8, 2010 at 8:55 pm
“Okay, Satori, I get it! Mayor Adams knew way back then that the person who took Ky from school, and left the muddy bootprints in the hallway was: the man in the plaid shirt!”
beejay.. Muddy bootprints in the hallway? Or boot prints outside Kyron’s classroom door?
We know the ADA @ their press conference w/ photos of a white F250 on the driveway/path to soccer field asked for information to a THIRD party.
IIRC The posts here went back ‘n forth about 3rd person when LE/DA had NEVER said who #1 & #2 were.
LE/DA have kept a tight lid so to speak…
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Now we seem to be split about man in photo @ SF.
If one has been scratching their head all this time- they would likely be bald. As well hoarse from constantly screaming out WTH. JMHO. Remaining hopeful for Kyron.
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puzzled says:
October 7, 2010 at 9:00 pm
GraceintheHills says:
October 7, 2010 at 8:40 pm
I’m beginning to believe this is the case .. that RS is the chief witness against ???? but if he didn’t take Kyron and Blink says Ky didn’t leave with TH … who else is involved??? we’ve been dicussing this phantom 3rd person for a while, yet we still don’t have an inkling as to who it is.
Interesting that the criminal case won’t let the civil case anywhere near RS.
RE-posting~
Skyline parent says:
October 8, 2010 at 12:54 am
Re: mystery man in the pics. Call me crazy, but I really think those are 2 different guys. The guy in the pic without Kyron does not look to me like he is wearing a flannel shirt – plus he looks taller than the other guy. I might know who the non-flannel shirt guy is, but the resolution is pretty poor, so I can’t be sure. If its who I think it is, he had a kid in Mrs. P’s class last year and he is around a lot, so I don’t think its supicious at all that he would be there (and now that I think about it, I call BS on the idea there were no male chaperones). As for the other guy – I’m not sure I would recognize my own husband seeing that little of him. The little girl doesn’t look familar and looks too young to be in that class, but she could be a younger sibling.
Bringing over from last thread re-posting:
newsatfive says:
October 7, 2010 at 5:07 pm
KOIN posted a story titled “Source: Kyron search now a recovery effort” at 6:42 am, then updated it (with the same headline, apparently) at 7:58 am. Sometime thereafter, KOIN yanked the entire story and replaced it with a different story; KOIN redirected the original URL to the new story.
The differences between the two stories are so striking: The first version says that the search is now a “recovery effort” and that searchers “were looking for Kyron’s body”; the second version does not contain either detail.
I have no doubt that the original was correct. I’m also betting the “revised” version was toned down, before it was ultimately pulled from the news site.
In the interest of preserving the 7:58 am revised original news story (as I cannot find any earlier version in an online cache), here is its text:
Source: Kyron search now a recovery effort
Published: 6:42 am
Last Update: 7:58 am
The search for Kyron Horman has now become a recovery effort, a source tells KOIN Local 6.
Investigators still have not named Terri Horman, Kyron’s stepmother, a person of interest, but new evidence could tie her to Sauvie Island, where searchers were seen last weekend.
Over 160 searchers combed parts of the island Oct. 2 and 3, and will be back on Oct. 9 and 10 to search for the boy.
One source told KOIN Local 6 that searchers were looking for the Kyron’s body, after investigators were following up on cell phone pings from the area.
That source said those pings were linked to Terri Horman’s cell phone back on June 4th, the day Kyron was last seen.
Investigators said they may be able to find new evidence because weather has changed, making some sections of the island easier to get to.
Also Thursday divorce proceedings and an order to show cause will be heard in a Multnomah County courtroom.
At issue: whether the divorce will be held in abatement and where Terri got the alleged $350,000 in attorney fees to pay Stephen Houze.
For the latest on today’s court proceedings, stay tuned to KOINLocal6.com and follow KOIN on twitter.
-KOIN Local 6 and KOINLocal6.com
http://74.6.117.48/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22Source-Kyron-search-now-a-recovery-effort%22&fr=yfp-t-701&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=%22Source-Kyron-search-now-a-recovery-effort%22&d=879422145891&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=358447ac,b00ecc00&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=zw0Ol3XLD93AGwM0l7CSLA–
The new, sanitized version:
Source: Kyron search to continue this weekend; Kaine, Terri in court
Published: 6:42 am
Last Update: 8:49 am
Investigators still have not named Terri Horman, Kyron Horman’s stepmother, a person of interest, but new evidence could tie her to Sauvie Island, where searchers were seen last weekend.
Over 160 searchers combed parts of the island Oct. 2 and 3, and will be back on Oct. 9 and 10 to search for the missing boy.
One source told KOIN Local 6 that searchers were in the area following up on cell phone pings from the area.
That source said those pings were linked to Terri Horman’s cell phone back on June 4th, the day Kyron was last seen.
Investigators said they may be able to find new evidence because weather has changed, making some sections of the island easier to get to.
Also Thursday divorce proceedings and an order to show cause will be heard in a Multnomah County courtroom.
At issue: whether the divorce will be held in abatement and where Terri got the alleged $350,000 in attorney fees to pay Stephen Houze.
For the latest on today’s court proceedings, stay tuned to KOINLocal6.com and follow KOIN on twitter.
-KOIN Local 6 and KOINLocal6.com
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Source-Kyron-search-to-continue-this-weekend/TK8a5e4l6kamcz-eOG46Fw.cspx?rss=1100
NOTE: The revised story contains the publication time stated in the original, more strongly worded story at 6:42 a.m/revised at 7:58 a.m.
The original url of http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Source-Kyron-search-now-a-recovery-effort/TK8a5e4l6kamcz-eOG46Fw.cspx now redirects to the revised story at http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Source-Kyron-search-to-continue-this-weekend/TK8a5e4l6kamcz-eOG46Fw.cspx?rss=1100
Is this an example of LE attempting to silence the media? IMHO, I don’t think LE is “making” anyone do anything. However, I do think there have been some carefully placed phone calls that have convinced editors to change headlines, remove online videos, and perhaps even hold stories.
From my experience, the LE officer (usually the public information officer or higher) making the call asking for a major change to a story does so under the premise that running the story would harm the investigation. The LE officer then promises an exclusive or some other access in trade for holding the story.
Hypothetically speaking, the “carrot” to get the editor to pull a story could be offering a trade, i.e. allowing a photographer and/or reporter access that others don’t have, say beyond the barricade where searches are taking place. The access comes with the condition that the reporter/photographer agrees to sit on the story until LE makes an arrest or otherwise gives that person the green light to use the material.
On the other hand, you could have a case where a close friend or family member shares a tidbit of information that makes its way to the reporter, only to find out that the leak has jeopardized his or her job.
IMHO, LE had a major break and at least one major discovery in the past ten days.
Blink said she believed the October 2 and 3, 2010, search of Sauvie Island was prompted by “information gleaned on Wednesday [September 29, 2010].” Blink also acknowledged there were grand jury appearances the week of September 27, 2010 through October 1, 2010. Blink did not connect the grand jury appearances to the “information gleaned” that prompted the search.
One person listening to the MCSO scanner heard an officer asked to be connected to Detective Weinstein, who is associated with the Portland Police Bureau missing person unit. This particular communication did not mention Kyron, however.
Essay Kaye says: October 2, 2010 at 7:37 pm
“Just listening to the Multnomah police scanner and heard an officer ask to be connected to Detective Weinstein. Googled ‘Multnomah’ and ‘Weinstein’ and discovered that Detective Mike Weinstein works with the Portland Police Bureau’s Missing Person Unit”
Link: http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11994
The next day, two different people listening to the MCSO scanner heard that the Sauvie Island search detail reported the they were “probably going to be here all night” and “they are going to go all night.”
Kimberly says: October 3, 2010 at 1:08 am
“currently listening to the MCSO scanner and the dispatcher just asked the detective if anyone had cleared the detail on Sauvie Island? Detective responded with, ‘probably going to be here all night’!”
riverpearl says: October 3, 2010 at 1:19 am
“On the police scanner link @ 10:15pm PDT (thanks beejay)
the operator asked about ‘the searchers @ SI’
Response-”… they are going to go all night’
operator ‘ok, I won’t bug them anymore’
Could it be the day searchers for Kyron IS going thru-out night ?”
MOO, there are very few reasons to have an all-night search. These reasons are as follows:
1. LE cannot conduct the search during the day, i.e. to use Luminol in an outdoor area. (Not sure if Luminol would be of any assistance four months after a kidnapping.)
2. LE does not want its search to be observed, i.e. if LE is recovering sensitive evidence (i.e. human remains); if LE has a witness that must remain confidential; or if LE is searching a sensitive area that it wants to remain confidential (possibly due to the land owner’s request).
3. LE found something and must secure the site, collect evidence, and complete its investigation of that area.
Given the high cost of conducting an overnight search (overtime costs would go through the roof), IMHO, the most likely scenario in play is LE found something and must continue the search overnight, and/or LE has a witness whose identity must remain confidential.
I really think there are 2 Rudy Sanchez
one an illegal trying to get a business rolling
then AKA Rudy Sanchez Not an illegal and educated
and ? What? Undercover?
mooo
A BLINK comment brought over from previous thread/ re-post:
Kimberly says:
October 7, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Judge delays Horman divorce ruling until January 6, 2011!!!
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HMMM, Why January???
Blink? Any input here??
Yes, he did the right thing from a legal perspective. Laura Rackner is on record saying she just wanted to assisst law enforcement. That is NOT her role, that is unless she wants to subject her client to having to turn over criminal case file evidence in an ongoing investigation. Houze really could have pushed harder in some areas.
I suspect the only reason he did not is because he is saving it for any potential criminal matters.
B