Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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In response to NelMel’s posting: 14.NelMel says:
November 20, 2010 at 9:07 pm….
Thank you for such a thoughtful, geniune and articulate posting that (in MOO) probably speaks the sentiments of many of us. I couldn’t have said it better.
Commenting on other people’s posts in a demeaning manner is more distracting than the comments themselves.
If folks were to just give their input and let others do the same, information would flow smoothly and possibly unfold into something brilliant.
Besides, why would you want to make others feel badly? What’s even worse, is commenting on what you find distracting then going into your own little discussion about another topic that has nothing to do with Kyron’s case, whereas substance abuse and child abuse actually does.
I’m interested in what all of you have to say and haven’t really met a post I didn’t find interesting, except maybe a few but I just kept on rollin’. This belittling is just not necessary.
I know I’m really new here, but had to speak up. Kyron’s story is too important to allow this awesome thread to dwindle down into just a few posters who keep to the politically correct, afraid of the bullies.
Blink, feel free to keep this post off your board if you don’t find it appropriate. It just made me feel better to type it out, ya know?
Well said, and I am done dealing with it. People need to feel that they will not be attacked if they disagree or have a different opinion. Let’s move on.
B
Mother Hen-
If you recall, I am the one that a put a stop to that nonsense and let you change your hat, without ever “outing” you. You did that on your own. There are nearly 100,000 comments on this site of 18 months, and I can promise you, if it is one thing I abhor more than anything, it is a bully. In second place of my allergy column, is a bully that adopts the role of victim to preserve their bully pulpit for another day.
When I was a kid I had one of those red riding hood cloth mask thingies that you could wear as Red, or The Wolf, or Gramma.
It comes to mind. Jus sayin’.
I am an outstanding apology giver, I give them frequently as I am a flawed and imperfect person.
If I were remotely interested in proving my point further, I would be posting the many “private” posts I have received in support of my final comments to you.
Your overly dramatic “me-syndrom” not withstanding, you do realize that your claims of being attacked are appearing on a thread for a missing and presumed deceased 7 year old, right?
I do not think it is a stretch to conclude Kyron Horman is the real victim here.
You are absolutely right. An apology from me is absolutely necessary.
My Dear BOC Readers and Contributors:
Please accept my humblest apology for taking precious time out of your day, you will not get back, with this sophomoric drivel.
Mother Hen, when I view the Full and Blue Moon this evening, I will think of you.
B
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It is clear that you IGNORE people who attack me. You allow it. That is some of the double-standards I am talking about. I have been attacked so many times on this site, it is ridiculous. But again, you allowed that. I started out on this site as AGsMom. Yes, indeed. I was attacked senselessly and I saw others senslessly attacked. The last time it happened, I had to change my name. That was a full-blown attack by many for no feasible reason whatsoever other than hatred and you allowed it to go on for quite some time to the point I felt you were playing games with me. Strange.
The level of painful content on this site coupled with what I consider very bad behavior is enough to make someone speak-up like I did. Someone delving into intellectual unfairness over such matters is wrong and I was not going to stand for it. Nobody should have under the same circumstances.
YOU had melt-down. I am not a whipping-post. Nothing that I did deserved the kind of response that you gave. Nothing. Perhaps you need to re-read what happened and stop allowing some people to be whipped on this site.
Your statement below is to justify in your own mind how you behaved. And your blanket statements about me from time to time were / are worn out. I did not attack people all the time. That is a general statement with no facts.
There are issues on this site, but it is up to the author to begin to change them. I am worth more than to allow something so sick and on so many levels to ever happen again.
Unless there is an apology forth-coming, there is no need to respond to this post.
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I wasn’t going to post your meltdowns over nothing that led to my response, but I think in fairness readers need to understand what pushed me to the point I got to with this nonsense. One can have opinions and share them without having to attack others all the time. I do not have the time or inclination, let’s move on.
B
I agree Malty. Right now, I’m stuck on two scenarios.
1)Kyron saw something that Terri and/or the mystery person were afraid that he’d tell to Desiree or Kaine. If Kyron did tell, the effects would be disastrous and there was only one way to stop that from happening. It had to happen before Kyron spent any time alone with DY or KH. In this scenario, Terri won’t talk because it implicates her in the original act and could implicate her in Kyrons disappearance as well.
2)Terri vented her feelings about Kyron to the mystery person through whatever means – email, phone or in person. This turned out to be the wrong person to vent to. This person also heard about how horrible Kaine was. Whoever this is, they are truly enamored with Terri and they are a psychopath with no qualms about hurting or killing someone if it suits their needs. What better way to make Kaine pay for treating Terri in such a horrible way. It also solved Terris issues with Kyron. He wouldn’t be there to make her miserable anymore. I think in this case, Terri may have already named the individual, so the police have the “who” and Terri isn’t talking because the police are trying to find out what this person did with Kyron. LE wants a body. OR Terri may have been a party to Kyrons disappearance and never talked to LE. LE did find out who this person is by going through Terris emails and cell conversations, but neither Terri or this person will talk with LE.
@alwayssunday says:
November 21, 2010 at 9:18 am
“Here’s what I’m struggling with regarding RS and the story that Terri’s 911 call brought heat or him or unnecessary attention that could get him deported:
RS has an Oregon driver’s license and has been party to a couple of civil suits brought in an Oregon court of law. Also, if he has a UCC lien on a vehicle, that means he has a loan correct? That requires more documentation. And his business likely requires all sorts of paperwork requiring him to validate his ID too. If someone was trying to lay low hoping their presence here in the US would stay undetected, would they do/have all of those things?”
I’ll give it a stab.
“RS has an Oregon driver’s license.” I’ll have to take your word on that detail, but until just a few years ago, proof of legal presence (immigration document or proof of US citizenship) was not a requirement for obtaining a driver’s license. Snipping out all the history, NOW it is a requirement when obtaining or renewing an Oregon license, but we were one of the very last states to comply with the Real ID Act. Therefore, there are licenses that are still valid today (valid for 8 years in OR) whose bearers have not had to show legal presence. Their DL looks just like mine.
“RS has been party to a couple of civil suits.” Again, I’m unaware of these cases, but even assuming they are true, there is nothing in that activity that would call the attention of Immigration officials. You only have to think about your own life experiences.. how many times are you asked to prove your US citizenship (if you are American and live in the US)?
“RS has a UCC lien & therefore a loan.” A loan is a civil arrangement; some lenders will want proof of your legal status for their own security, but one can always obtain some sort of loan. Proof of wages is often sufficient.
“RS has a business that requires..” There is nothing required for registering a business name that requires proof of status or anything immigration-related. His ID *is* valid.
Staying ‘undetected’ is not difficult. ICE is not interested in individuals unless they are part of a bigger case; they don’t do round ups, even in the most obvious places (several high profile raids of large employers are the exception, not the norm). I know one individual who serves on the volunteer fire brigade in his town; his status isn’t a secret, it’s just something one doesn’t discuss in polite company. That individual was actually arrested and tried for a sexual assault that he didn’t commit & was released for, but there was no ICE hold placed on him and he went on his merry way.
The ICE spokesman of a well used port here said *in print* that they were not going after (the many, many) individuals in their district because their concerns were securing the port, dealing with masses of cargo and smuggled people in shipping containers.
Until someone commits a crime and is processed through booking AND that facility notifies ICE, they *are* under the radar. Even notification is not guaranteed in every jurisdiction– there was a high profile case where 2 guys raped & killed a 15 year old at a party.. one of them had been done up several times over something like 7 years for DUI and the jail never notified ICE.
Because it’s been mentioned as a motive for RS and for Elsy several times, I’ll also add that being picked up and ‘deported’ (‘removed’ is the official term now) may not be the drama that you think it is. It astounds me, but the number of people who are removed and return is very high. It’s not difficult or all that expensive to come back, and removal proceedings actually offer an opportunity (for some) to become legal. Some people seek it out, true story!
A cop’s ‘knock n’ talk’ does not lead to an immigration raid. I personally don’t think the threat of La Migra (immigration) coming after an individual for removal is sufficient motive for murder/kidnapping/whatever it is.
Threatening a larger criminal operation, that is a different story.
The comments that Kaine made about Desiree and him not speaking seemed, to me, to be Kaine protecting her and their privacy. We all know that there are stages of grief and loss- Desiree may be in an anger stage. It’s a normal progression. I don’t think his comments were unusual nor her anger….
I have made several contributions to this discussion and they never have made it past moderation to my knowledge. What am I doing wrong?
All posted- you need to check older comments, the thread moves quickly and only displays the last 20.
B
32.justice4kyron says:
November 21, 2010 at 12:22 am
Dave Stenson-off the list. Really.
While I think his behavior was odd the day after the press conference, since I know that they were already aware there was nobody parked on the access road and the pic was photoshopped, it was understandable. I agree he has no basis as a POI.
B
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Thank you Blink!
@alwayssunday
42.alwayssunday says:
November 21, 2010 at 9:18 am
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What “civil” suits are you referencing?
Do you have a link?
Would love to see what you have.
TIA
@Blink
Do you have any indication from your sources if LE has a potential POI other than TH, RS and possibly AS-S? In other words the third person possibly involved?
@puzzled November 20, 2010 at 7:32 pm
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7070091n#ixzz15js8qnj8
At the end of this interview, Kaine speaks directly to Kyron and says
“Home is safe. It is just Kiara and me. We’re waiting for you.”
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how bizarre is this statement ???? AND he’s expecting Desiree to be over being angry with him by the holidays ????
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I AGREE bizarre. I feel like Desiree has come to the realization that “Terri could have hurt Kyron in the worst way” and Kaine is still in denial. Kaine statement “Home is safe. It is just Kiara and me. We’re waiting for you.” makes it sound Kyron has a choice in weather he returns home or not.
mag603 says:
November 21, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Regarding: I AGREE bizarre. I feel like Desiree has come to the realization that “Terri could have hurt Kyron in the worst way” and Kaine is still in denial. Kaine statement “Home is safe. It is just Kiara and me. We’re waiting for you.” makes it sound Kyron has a choice in weather he returns home or not.
I think Kaine is living his own guilt right now at not picking the right woman to help him raise his little baby and not thinking with his brain. Had Kaine been paying more attention to this bizarre woman, (Drunk driving with her son in the car?) instead of turning a blind eye to it, Kyron would be alive.
Desiree’s anger is a form of grief and she is getting to that next stage. Kaine is still in denial because, personally, it is a safer place to be.
I wish Kaine and Desiree both peace this holiday.
Am I in timeout .. Or have used up my quota of comments .. Lol .. Unable to post
lol, no your all up.
B
I also want to say that although I find Kaine statement bizarre…I can’t imagine the unimagineable horror of being the parent of a missing child. I would probably act bizarre too.
“Home is safe”—maybe, except for every memory it would invoke. If—and I know that’s a BIG IF–Ky were to ever return to the Horman house, I can only imagine the ghosts of his memory that would haunt him.
@foobros: I can see where removing Ky might keep him from reporting on activities TH had been involved in—especially keeping that info from TY and the law.
47.Nancy says:
November 21, 2010 at 10:07 am
Blink says Kyron did not leave the school with the following:
TH
RS
AS-S
“Dave”
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@.Nancy
Wow!! Blink didn’t mention DD Spicher? What does that mean….hmmmm another sleepless night pondering as the plot begins to thicken once again.
Kumbaya dear lady.
Phew.
B
Several people have commented on this statement by Kaine, on this and other sites.
“At the end of this interview, Kaine speaks directly to Kyron and says
“Home is safe. It is just Kiara and me. We’re waiting for you.” ”
I have NEVER seen a parent address a missing child this way — speaking usually as they do, they plead to the kidnapper, then they tell the child that they are loved, and then…they plead to the kidnapper. I have never heard a parent in a missing child case, local or national, speak to the child as if the child can now relax and come home because the bad guy is gone.
Also, he makes no mention of Kyron’s mother? A little boy wants his mother!! He makes no mention of a stepfather who apparently is a good guy and likes his stepson?
Who has Kryon????
(Trying…to…figure…out…the…surprise.)
Snapshot of TH’s FB page. Note time of day June 4 9:01 AM. She must have left school and went straight home before leaving for her “errands”.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8263.0Terri Moulton Horman
Terri needs help to win Fast Money!!
Terri could use help to win big prizes and points in Family Feud! Earn points by helping!
First Fast Money Question:Name something you need when you give your dog a bath.
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I can’t believe that not one amazing blinkster has picked up on this little nugget of info supplied by our own Ms. B.
Blink says: … “I know that they were already aware there was nobody parked on the access road and the pic was photoshopped” … B
Does this mean there was no 2nd white truck and how does this info impact the two white truck theory @ Skyline and later @ FM ?
There was definately an additional white truck. It was not parked on the access road.
B
There’s no 2nd white truck .. a la LS truck .. Which explains why LE asked for the make and ID of every vehicle and owner on the school grounds that day. There’s another vehicle in the mix … could still be a truck, just not a “horman” white truck.
How was Ky removed from the school … walk out and get into a vehicle and be driven away? Incapacitated and concealed in a container, removed from school to a waiting vehicle and driven away?
The answer depends on who took him and why.
Thanks! I’ll have to look harder lol
Blink, you are a class act. Thank you for all you do. Referee, babysitter, moderator, journalist, voice for our missing children. You are awesome.
TY
B
Wait a minute. Someone remind me why we think a “USI Hold” on MCSO inmate records and his being “in transit” means that AS-S is being deported? What have I forgotten?
“USI hold” means ICE. But ICE has its finger in many pies now. Maybe there’s one of those infamous “sealed arrests” and/or federal dockets that are inconsistent with other LE records (as Blink has told us about AS-S previously). Here’s some recent info about what ICE (and maybe AS-S??) is up to:
“Though public perceptions of ICE are dominated by its enforcement of immigration laws, its agents also investigate terrorism, narcotics smuggling, child pornography and other criminal cases. ICE was the principal investigative agency for nearly half the intellectual property theft cases the Justice Department filed in 2009, federal figures show.
ICE was created by the 2002 merger of the immigration service and the U.S. Customs Service, which gives it the wide authority customs had to stop contraband from entering or leaving the country.”
link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/18/AR2010071803017.html
I can see how someone could have sent Kyron
to a safe place so he would not see the fighting
and devorce
bur if that was the case it really got out of hand
when it turned to a kidnaping
I don’t really know. Just thinking here
For Blink’s initial discussion about AS-S’s docket discrepancies, see her article at this link (scroll down to the AS-S paragraphs, his name in bold). There is further discussion in that thread, or subsequent ones, IIRC.
link: http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/
As I was reading an old post of mine and reading the surrounding posts, I was thinking that Kyron appeared to be a bright little boy- Desiree stated that he didn’t seem to want to go back to Kaine and Terri on a couple of occasions right before he disappeared. Something might have occurred, a fight between KH and TH- a phone call overheard-TH and a lover- it could be a number of things maybe illegal- TH knew that Kyron knew and she was afraid that he would tell Desiree (her husband is LE)It might be something that would shake her little world and Kyron knew – maybe her oldest boy knew as well. She planned this all right but thought she was smarter than Kaine and LE. I don’t think that she thought they would catch on as fast as they did. And I think LE knows a lot more than they are telling. I’m sure she had someone to do the dirty work. Maybe she got cold feet and had a moment of lucid thought and that was why the rush to Sauvie Island to maybe stop it. She got scared and took DeDe with her. I actually know people like TH that would put a bookcase full of books out in the rain just because they needed the room. They would wonder and actually get offended at what the victims problem was getting so upset about it…. I believe TH is a self righteous kind of person and has been able to manipulate others to get what she wants except get a teaching job which would get her the respect she feels she is entitled to. I think that really eats away at her…
I don’t find Kaine’s statements bizarre at all. It sounds as if he’s thinking as he talks. He’s a tech guy, they are more comfortable on a computer not in front of a camera. It sounded like he was, on the spur of the moment, trying to reach out to his son who has been missing for a long time- for crying out loud the man looks like a skeleton. He sounds like he’s desperate to find some way to get whoever knows anything about his son’s disappearance, to come forward.
Snipping from an older post and Blink’s responses. Don’t know if anything has changed since then. So, are we looking at the Pumala/Fuhrer group, some of whom own a white truck, BTW?
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krowdkat says:
October 4, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Blink said:
I believe that the “looking at the cool electric ones” gives us a window to a perp.
B
The “Cool Electric One” was the ploy used that allowed Ky to comply with leaving with said abductor.
JMHO, though. [krowdkat speaking]
I concur. [Blink speaking]
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I have always wondered why Terri didn’t just
come out at that first press conf and stand there
with out the drama
any idea?
Hi beejay- I finally had time to follow the trail you outlined, very cool! I love learning neat stuff like this. So your fellow was doodling about town with a silencer on his personal weapon, eh? I don’t suppose it was a plastic bottle, either. Red flag, indeed! I surfed through a bunch of his web sites a few days back too, wow. I’m beyond relieved that he is off the streets. I can barely wait to see what else you come up with.
@evie-I’m thrashing about on the Sanchez, Elsy, et al. trail, too. Right now I’m really stuck on the 911 call that brought LE to the Sanchez home. I agree with you 100% that something else was going on there, and it stirred up a hornet’s nest. IMO there is a good chance for a drug connection, which scares the jeebies out of me, so I can only imagine how it would make TH feel. Thank you for all the great info.
I’m off to see if I can catch up to this train. I sure don’t run as fast as I used to, ugh.
I really don’t roll and scroll except that post about the condition
of a body after 5 mnoths
couldn’t handle that one
but I do feel we are helping find Kyron in our
own way with so little to go on
Kyron was so cute in that baby pic on Dateline
he was just the cutest child from early pics
on
I hope he comes home soon
anyone remember the genesis of the container @ SI theory … can’t find where that originated from … was that a “tip” phoned in by Beejay? lol
BUMPING:
Mimi says:
September 29, 2010 at 3:59 pm
Blink, the DA definitely has something up their sleeve….as a parent who was at the school that morning (child goes to Skyline), they have subpoenaed me to testify in front of the grand jury. My child was in 5th grade at the time. Even though I have already spoken to the detectives, and didn’t even know or have ever seen Kyron, they want me to testify. I also know that SEVERAL teachers from Skyline School were there yesterday in front of the grand jury. On the subpoena is states: The State of Oregon vs. UNKNOWN DEFENDANT. I question why they are making us jump through hoops. I will be curious as to see what kinds of questions will be asked. Do you think EVERY person there that morning has to testify? It all seems very strange to me….
http://www.westwindfarmstudio.com/studio/
Studio on Rosemont farms.
I know some dubious photographers have been looked at. It comes to mind that Rosemont farms were DD requested an internship has a video studio. This is not to throw suspicion at Rosemont as it looks like the most wonderful place but did they lease their studio to other, others that did not necessarily show the owners what they were doing or filming. Just another area to be aware of if you are venturing in that area. Oh, my father was a photographer but I won’t go into that.
Peace all
Here’s another recent case where there was a multi-agency task force and a deafening silence from LE to the media: murder of MacKenzie Cowell(17) in state of Washington. Note ICE involvement (I saw nothing about drugs, but she is 17–is that under age of consent in Wash?) A snip inre the task force:
“A multi-agency task force comprised of officers from the Douglas and Chelan county sheriff’s offices, Wenatchee and East Wenatchee police departments, the Washington State Patrol Crime Lab, the Attorney General, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the FBI worked on the case.”
source link:
http://www.lakechelanmirror.com/main.asp?SubSectionID=5&ArticleID=2997&SectionID=5
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I pulled that case from my old post here. James Pitkin, at Willy Week, cited it as a comparison to Kyron’s case, in that LE was unusually withholding from the media. Note that his article was Aug. 5, long before Staton announced the Task Force for Ky. Link:Here’s the link to Pitkin’s article about that:
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/05/shades-of-the-kyron-horman-case-in-a-separate-washington-mystery/
@ Evie; Thank you, that does make sense, I guess I just figured that other folks would be as paranoid as I would be if I were doing something wrong and wouldn’t want to be putting myself on paper all over town. But with a “safe” SSN I guess they are somewhat comfortable.
@ Kimberly; What I found is from a database using a paid subscription, (and for some reason since about 2 weeks ago Oregon civil records are no longer available through there, man was I irked!) so I can’t really offer a link, but if Blink can give me a little guidance on what is okay/not okay to post here or how to properly “cross communicate” I’d be glad to share, I did remember to pdf the docs just in case. I am however, away from that particular hard drive until Tuesday morning so at the moment all I have in front of me are case #’s.
15.Rose says:
November 20, 2010 at 9:08 pm
masic transferred (or was transferred) to Lewis el ed about April.
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Good info. Makes him less of a candidate due to the timing. Unless witnesses place him at Skyline that morning.
The reason I doubt the man in the flannel whose head we cannot see is part of Kyron’s abduction is because the lady who is head of the PTA was present at the time Terri took photos of Kyron so she would have seen whomever that man was. Unless she had never seen him before and therefore LE has not been able to identify him.
Posting a prior post:
mag603 says:
September 20, 2010 at 6:14 pm
I think of the scene from The Lovely Bones. The little girl was apprehensive about going with the neighbor…but he knew how to manipulate her. She went with him because she knew him and because he knew how to coax her.
Kyron 7 and probably did that the same thing. He knew the person; and the person was a predator and knew what words to use to get him to leave.
devastating
[Blink's response below]
I can see that scene in my head magnified 100%.
This is what I believe… do we remember when Kaine and Desiree said something to the effect that they had a chat with him regarding “listening” at the school and they wondered now how literal that may have been taken by him?
I believe that may have been there way of being concerned Kyron ignored his “satellite”.
GOF readers will understand this immediately.
Others: The Gift Of Fear- Gavin de Becker
prologue: I can here him say.. O do you mean that Horman boy? The one with the glasses?
I wanna puke.
B
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link:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-20/#comments
11.mag603 says:
November 21, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Kaine statement “Home is safe. It is just Kiara and me. We’re waiting for you.” makes it sound Kyron has a choice in weather he returns home or not.
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MmHmm. I was thinking the same thing. Kaine has alluded to this more than once.
Then I saw a comment at Scared Monkeys reminding us that neither Kaine nor Desiree have yet to make a plea to the abductor and it strikes me as odd that they would be trying to let Kyron know they want him back instead of pleading with the abductor to bring him home.
Amy’s Sister says:
November 21, 2010 at 12:26 pm
1000% agree-thank you!
Back to Kyron!
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***PS-this is a teaching blog, as Blink has said. I find great value in this format and have learned an incredible amount of important and helpful info from Blink and posters. If no one is allowed any personal stories or connections-we would lose some things in translation. For those who find those things irritating-please scroll and roll as Blink has suggested. For the rest of us-keep on keeping on! On bad days, when we are saddest about Kyron’s case and all the other cases out there-those personal stories carry us.
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I have been following BOC since Oct. 18, 2009. The day I found out a beautiful, shiny young woman had disappeared from a Metallica concert in Charlottesville, Virginia. Her body was found three months later-her murderer still walks free. Justice is still being searched for.
Blink is constantly working on many cases concurrently. She moderates and has to keep the peace on many threads-daily. Let’s all get along please-remember what we are here for-and give Blink the peace to do what needs to be done. I have read what she has done for other families of missing and murdered people-she pushes for justice constantly. I want her to have the time to do those ultra important jobs-not waste her time fixing squabbles on posts.
Rock on Blink!
32.justice4kyron says:
November 21, 2010 at 12:22 am
Dave Stenson-off the list. Really.
While I think his behavior was odd the day after the press conference, since I know that they were already aware there was nobody parked on the access road and the pic was photoshopped, it was understandable. I agree he has no basis as a POI.
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Does this mean there weren’t two white trucks? OR Does this mean there were two white trucks but not on the access road as TH claimed?
Well…. I have appreciated your comments to me, Brink & taken them to heart but I do feel that some others need to really listen to comments given by others & not just look at their own views as the one & only true view.. & not look at the comments to argue with all the time . A lot of these “opinions” are for the common goal of speaking out to find a small child who could be our own son or grandson who is so tragically missing…and come from the heart & facts as that person perceives them. Some have gotten so caught up in making sure the other poster realizes they are wrong they take up a whole page “telling how it is according to their view “making the other poster feel insignificant. In my own opinion
This is just an observation on my part & makes for hurt feelings .
If you dont want to post this I will understand ~ This is all about Kyron not the BS that happens…or me or any other poster, Thank you
I thoroughly enjoy your website and most all the posters on here ~ sometimes it just gets a bit much…as I have observed
@ Blink…Been reading around on other sites and word is that the owner of the property where Dede was working on has lawyered up. Just wondering WHY?
I dunno….when I hear him making statements like that I feel they are more directed to DY and by doing so he’s letting her know with out a doubt if Kyron is alive and can be found he’s going straight back to KH….sorta like laying the ground rules before the poor boyis ever found. Pretty sure this time DY would have to changes in mind for her son if he’s found alive.
As for the other drama goin on in the forum, I use Blinks advice and scroll and roll….works for me!
thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.
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evie says:
November 21, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Thank you so much for that great explanation! I have thought it so many times myself.
I will add that as well as how easy it for illegal immigrants to stay under the radar and not have to fear a bust and deportation, they also do not face a great deal of social adversity. In general, in the northwest, illegal immigrants are not considered to be bad people breaking the law because they are in the country illegally. Instead they are judged more so on their work ethic and standards of their family. Most are considered to be good neighbors and good workers.
25.Malty says:
November 21, 2010 at 6:09 pm
I have always wondered why Terri didn’t just
come out at that first press conf and stand there
with out the drama
any idea?
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I think if she could have, she would have.
In other words, she–like most of us–can’t change her nature.
Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school’s front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school’s playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair.
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Trying to clarify for my own understanding. The above is NOT true, but there WERE two white trucks that AM.
Still wondering if there was another car that KH drove to work that day. If so, that could mean that TMH could’ve had “a person” with her in the car @ Skyline—then she drove back home, dropped off “a person” who posted/played FB—while she drove to FM in truck—the “person” could drive the Mustang, pick up DD—meeting up at SI to complete “the deed”…
I also keep thinking about the cryptic comments by DD about “Paying the Ogre twice”—Is this a group of women–part of an underground—trying to keep Kyron from KH–and that’s why TMH nor DD will talk?
Something else:What do Mom and Pop Moulton know? Remember her dad said there’s a 50-50 chance—? Was he implying that he possibly knew they were both into something bad?
Sorry, these are just questions I keep pondering….MOO.
@skylineparent….what would “stick out like a sore thumb” at your school be? Could it be the ethinicity of a person? I see where the majority of the students there are white.
Honestly I think it would be anyone that isn’t normally there. I certainly don’t recognize every parent there, but I believe the secretary and principal do. Of course, to their credit, if they saw someone they didn’t recognize, they aren’t saying.