Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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alwayssunday says:
November 21, 2010 at 7:54 pm
“@ Kimberly; What I found is from a database using a paid subscription, (and for some reason since about 2 weeks ago Oregon civil records are no longer available through there, man was I irked!) so I can’t really offer a link, but if Blink can give me a little guidance on what is okay/not okay to post here or how to properly “cross communicate” I’d be glad to share, I did remember to pdf the docs just in case. I am however, away from that particular hard drive until Tuesday morning so at the moment all I have in front of me are case #’s.”
Can you share the name of the database? (Contact me via Facebook.)
FYI: This is not the first time records have been pulled and/or altered with regard to people involved in this case.
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puzzled says: November 20, 2010 at 11:10 pm
“He [Kaine] also downplayed the apparent fracture between himself and Desiree. Earlier this week, she accused him of withholding information about what was happening at home between Terri and Kyron. ‘I know that she’s extremely upset. I don’t know it’s necessarily at me or anyone else in particular. We’re all having a hard time with this,’ he said. ‘I’m just chalking it up to just one of those really difficult times that we’re going through right now. It’s getting close to the holidays – we’re all really emotional about this and as far as how our relationship is doing, it’s fine. We haven’t spoken for a little bit longer than normal but that will be rectified here shortly with the holidays coming up … I’m not worried about it at all.’”
“why does KH think that his relationship with Desiree will be ‘rectified here shortly with the holidays coming up … I’m not worried about it at all.’ is it because he thinks Ky’s coming home for the holidays?”
I took it as a social lie, the kind of thing that someone says when confronted with an uncomfortable situation. It’s along the same lines as Terri Horman’s June 28 response to the Oregonian’s question about whether Mr. Horman and daughter Kiara had moved out: “We heard that rumor. It’s just a rumor that needs to be squelched. Everything’s fine”
In my humble opinion, it’s natural for someone (Mr. Horman) to respond to criticism. Mr. Horman didn’t deny that there was any reason to be upset, though he has denied that he . All he said was that Ms. Young and everyone else is having a difficult time dealing with Kyron’s disappearance.
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Idahogal says: November 20, 2010 at 7:41 pm
“@beejay- Thank you for finding AS-S. He wasn’t anywhere to be found this a.m., mybe because I haven’t paid to access those records? What do you think is going on with him? I’m stymied so would love to hear if you have any ideas on that. I’m thinking maybe I will call the field office as well. I’m always up for a little fun, ya’ know? Also, thanks for the info. on ICE, I had no idea and haven’t heard a thing about it on the news. You rock!”
The federal court dismissed the indictment against Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez and ordered he be released on November 18, 2010.
Filed & Entered: 11/18/2010
Judgment & Commitment
Docket Text: Judgment as to Defendant Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez (1); Based on the Opinion and Order (#37) issued 11/18/10, the Court DISMISSES the Indictment in this matter and DIRECTS the Defendant be RELEASED on these dismissed charges; by Judge Anna J. Brown; signed on 11/18/10. (kw)
MCSO now lists Mr. Sanchez-Sanchez as released:
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=TDjDdNWwsj0BwR/cef3zjA==
His prior booking can be found here:
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=j2fROvstUkZ9eSRaCJS85w==
Google cache of http://www.mcso.us/public/booking_log_rpt/SW575_24_Hour_Booking_Log_Thursday.pdf:
SWIS ID: 744951
NAME: SANCHEZSANCHEZ, ANSLEMO
DOB: 01/27/1982
BOOKING DATE & TIME: 11/04/10 12:48
CHARGES: 001100 USM HOLD
Vinelink.com information:
Oregon Dept of Corrections
Offender Details
Offender Name: ANSELMO SANCHEZSANCHEZ
Offender ID: 13924406
Date of Birth: 01/27/1982
Age: 28
Race: Hispanic
Gender: Male
Custody Status: Community Supervision
Date: 08/26/2010
Reason: Community Supervision – Transfer
Scheduled Release Date: 02/18/2015
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office
Offender Details
Offender Name: ANSLEMO SANCHEZSANCHEZ
Offender ID: 744951
Date of Birth:
Age:
Race: Unknown
Gender: Unknown
Custody Status: Transferred
Location of Offender: Unknown
Federal Bureau of Prisons Inmate Locator:
Name Register # Age-Race-Sex Release Date Location
1. ANSELMO SANCHEZ-SANCHEZ 72474-065 28-White-M UNKNOWN IN TRANSIT
alwayssunday says:
November 21, 2010 at 7:54 pm
“@ Kimberly; What I found is from a database using a paid subscription, (and for some reason since about 2 weeks ago Oregon civil records are no longer available through there, man was I irked!) so I can’t really offer a link, but if Blink can give me a little guidance on what is okay/not okay to post here or how to properly “cross communicate” I’d be glad to share, I did remember to pdf the docs just in case. I am however, away from that particular hard drive until Tuesday morning so at the moment all I have in front of me are case #’s.”
Can you share the name of the database? (Contact me via Facebook.)
FYI: This is not the first time records have been pulled and/or altered with regard to people involved in this case.
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puzzled says: November 20, 2010 at 11:10 pm
“He [Kaine] also downplayed the apparent fracture between himself and Desiree. Earlier this week, she accused him of withholding information about what was happening at home between Terri and Kyron. ‘I know that she’s extremely upset. I don’t know it’s necessarily at me or anyone else in particular. We’re all having a hard time with this,’ he said. ‘I’m just chalking it up to just one of those really difficult times that we’re going through right now. It’s getting close to the holidays – we’re all really emotional about this and as far as how our relationship is doing, it’s fine. We haven’t spoken for a little bit longer than normal but that will be rectified here shortly with the holidays coming up … I’m not worried about it at all.’”
“why does KH think that his relationship with Desiree will be ‘rectified here shortly with the holidays coming up … I’m not worried about it at all.’ is it because he thinks Ky’s coming home for the holidays?”
I took it as a social lie, the kind of thing that someone says when confronted with an uncomfortable situation. It’s along the same lines as Terri Horman’s June 28 response to the Oregonian’s question about whether Mr. Horman and daughter Kiara had moved out: “We heard that rumor. It’s just a rumor that needs to be squelched. Everything’s fine.”
In my humble opinion, it’s natural for someone (Mr. Horman) to respond to criticism. Mr. Horman didn’t deny that there was any reason to be upset, though he has denied that he had any reason to believe Terri Horman was a danger to Kyron prior to his disappearance. All he said was that Ms. Young and everyone else is having a difficult time dealing with Kyron’s disappearance.
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Idahogal says: November 20, 2010 at 7:41 pm
“@beejay- Thank you for finding AS-S. He wasn’t anywhere to be found this a.m., mybe because I haven’t paid to access those records? What do you think is going on with him? I’m stymied so would love to hear if you have any ideas on that. I’m thinking maybe I will call the field office as well. I’m always up for a little fun, ya’ know? Also, thanks for the info. on ICE, I had no idea and haven’t heard a thing about it on the news. You rock!”
The federal court dismissed the indictment against Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez and ordered he be released on November 18, 2010.
Filed & Entered: 11/18/2010
Judgment & Commitment
Docket Text: Judgment as to Defendant Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez (1); Based on the Opinion and Order (#37) issued 11/18/10, the Court DISMISSES the Indictment in this matter and DIRECTS the Defendant be RELEASED on these dismissed charges; by Judge Anna J. Brown; signed on 11/18/10. (kw)
MCSO now lists Mr. Sanchez-Sanchez as released:
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=TDjDdNWwsj0BwR/cef3zjA==
His prior booking can be found here:
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=j2fROvstUkZ9eSRaCJS85w==
Google cache of http://www.mcso.us/public/booking_log_rpt/SW575_24_Hour_Booking_Log_Thursday.pdf:
SWIS ID: 744951
NAME: SANCHEZSANCHEZ, ANSLEMO
DOB: 01/27/1982
BOOKING DATE & TIME: 11/04/10 12:48
CHARGES: 001100 USM HOLD
Vinelink.com information:
Oregon Dept of Corrections
Offender Details
Offender Name: ANSELMO SANCHEZSANCHEZ
Offender ID: 13924406
Date of Birth: 01/27/1982
Age: 28
Race: Hispanic
Gender: Male
Custody Status: Community Supervision
Date: 08/26/2010
Reason: Community Supervision – Transfer
Scheduled Release Date: 02/18/2015
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office
Offender Details
Offender Name: ANSLEMO SANCHEZSANCHEZ
Offender ID: 744951
Date of Birth:
Age:
Race: Unknown
Gender: Unknown
Custody Status: Transferred
Location of Offender: Unknown
Federal Bureau of Prisons Inmate Locator:
Name Register # Age-Race-Sex Release Date Location
1. ANSELMO SANCHEZ-SANCHEZ 72474-065 28-White-M UNKNOWN IN TRANSIT
16.lyla says:
November 21, 2010 at 3:53 pm
47.Nancy says:
November 21, 2010 at 10:07 am
Blink says Kyron did not leave the school with the following:
TH
RS
AS-S
“Dave”
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@.Nancy
Wow!! Blink didn’t mention DD Spicher? What does that mean….hmmmm another sleepless night pondering as the plot begins to thicken once again
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Blink has specifically mentioned DDS regarding this – you have to go wayyy back.
Prayers for Kyron
As distracting as these Kaine comments are to progression of this case, I can’t help myself, I’m going to weigh in…
I don’t think he’s pleading with the abductor in his “home is safe” comment. I think he’s reaching beyond the grave and pleading with his guilt…”I am sorry I did not keep you safe, son. Home is safe now. She can no longer harm you.” And he knows it might be too late for those words because the harm has already been done. In no way do I think he’s trying to communicate with a living child.
My opinion only.
@puzzled: Thanks, I knew you didn’t. The rumor mill on the Internet is just uncontrollable; need to keep my nose clean.
See you’re working hard. I did want you to see, and I had actually forgotten myself, where the “container” info started. Damn black helicopters!
newhere says:
November 22, 2010 at 5:38 am
Yes, I agree that S.I. is the key in this case and I’m wondering if LE found anything substantial in the last search. I think they did. Your comment about legal maneuvering is spot on, as far as I’m concerned. I do have a feeling that something will happen very soon. LE did more searches at S.I. and then they show Terris emails to Desiree. Why did they wait so long? That can’t be coincidence. Something’s up.
JMHO.
@ weeds.
From your post today at 8:19am today, you wondered about the “Reckless Endangerment Another” charge that TMH had on the same day as her DUI.
As I have understood … that additional charge to her DUI was b/c Terri was driving drunk with her young son James in the car. (child endangered by TMH)
Thanks for the many great links in your post.
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weeds says:
November 22, 2010 at 8:19 am
Getting to know Terri Hormon (Links Corrected)
I was just wondering about the DUI Terri had. I wasn’t really sure about her criminal history so I checked. She has a DUI of course but she also has a ‘Recklessly Endanger Another’ (charge/arrest/conviction?) from the same day. Some speeding tickets and burning ‘Hazardous Materials Without a Permit’.
Just wondering if anyone has ever brought it up? As far as I knew, it was only the DUI. Why doesn’t he bring it up in divorce court?
(post snipped)
IF LE doesn’t know who took Ky, then how could they know that the school was safe? They have to either know who or know who this is connected to in order for them to reassure the parents that this is a one time occurance.
1.neighbor says:
September 23, 2010 at 8:51 pm
“@MBS wrote “Perhaps there is a parent from Skyline or someone who knows a Skyline parent reading this who would know for sure if the opening of regular school was officially delayed for SF.”
Nothing gave me the impression that this was a late start. Late starts are advertised as such in advance. Typically about once a month on a Wednesday.”
neighbor responds,
“The only unusual part was that parents/family/friends were invited from 8:00 to 10:00. Students reported to their classroom at 8:45 as usual. I was in another class where the teacher did a 10 minute group time at 8:45 after which she dispatched small groups of students with chaperons. Until 10:00 the students learned by visiting science projects in different classrooms. From 10:00 on, the normal routine resumed.”
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This timeline has caught my eye again. If the times are correct, and she watched Ky walk down the hallway, it seems virtually impossible that TMH didn’t see something.
TMH says she waved goodbye to Kyron in the hallway around 8:45 (or 9:00AM) as he approached his classroom, and then left the school. According to the above post by neighbor, Kyron had to be inside his homeroom by 8:45.
Did the second bell ring at 8:45, to remind the kids they needed to be in their classrooms? If what TMH said is true, and Kyron was headed to check-in, the window of opportunity to snatch him was *extremely* narrow. It would appear it was only a matter of seconds.
I can see why LE wanted to interview TMH repeatedly. If this timeline is correct, TMH would have been in the hallway, or at least in that general vicinity, when Ky was taken. One would think if he had made it into his classroom, he would have been seen by his teacher, and not marked absent that day.
In the MSM, it has been repeatedly reported that LE says TMH was the last one to see Kyron.
Who in the world is capable of snatching a seven year old boy in a matter of seconds as he walks a few short steps down the hallway of a school on a relatively high traffic day as his stepmother watches? And, more importantly, why didn’t TMH see that person or see the abduction?
I’m going to go out on a limb here. I am thinking that it never happened the way she said. She did not wave goodbye to Kyron as he walked toward his classroom. Perhaps, that exchange never occurred at all.
Think about this. Up until that point, Kyron was still in her care, as kids apparently did not check-in to their classrooms until the 8:45 AM bell. She did not hand him off to a teacher in the classroom. She alleged left him in the hallway. IF she was so close to his classroom, why not just escort him inside? Instead, he vanished. MOO.
So many questions…
FrannieT says:
Another observation~IIRC, Skyline school was said to not have an automated telephone reporting system. Yet, on the evening of June 4th, an automated phone call goes out to every students home, reporting the fact Kyron Horman did not return home from school that day.
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Great observation. To clarify, the automated call that went out the night Kyron went missing was district-wide; it went out to every parent in Portland Public Schools, not just Skyline parents.
I have kept up with this case since day 1. I’ve read many different blogs but BOC is by far the best place to read other’s opinions without all the drama. Most other sites have all the character assassinations and name calling going on, makes me wonder if some of these parties might actually have grounds for filing lawsuits against those bloggers???
I wanted to bring up a theory that was mentioned in the very beginning but hasn’t been discussed in awhile. What if, this was really a kidnapping that turned bad???? And ,the original plan was to take Kyron, then demand ransom money from Kaine. But, when Kaine delivers the money, he is supposed to be taken out, the kidnapper to keep the money and Kyron to be set free. Except, something went very wrong with their plans when LE got involved. Then there’s the FBI plus a multitude of other agencies and none of the players were prepared on what to do next. What happened to little Kyron at that time is anybody’s guess. This theory includes the “murder for hire” component to the case, has “Terri involved but not directly causing harm to Kyron”, and could even have Terri as being “blindsided” by what took place that day. She wasn’t double crossed but certainly lost control over what would happen to Kyron.
Any thoughts?
@ Lea Conner says:
November 22, 2010 at 1:28 pm
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Thanks so much. But I have to admit I’m not following exactly. Could you clarify:
1) What was AS-S indicted for? (which charges were dismissed on 11/18/10)
2) MCSO’s booking pg showed him as “Release Reason: US Immigration”. What does that mean?
3) IF it means he was released to ICE (immigration) custody, why?
Might ICE lock him up pending some other legal charges not yet brought against him? (ex, while Multnomah Cty and/or some federal agency is investigating him for something)?
I appreciate any help you can give me. We’ve all been confused here.
Going back to ground zero (almost) — Could Kyron have been lured to see the “cool electric one” (who did he reportedly say that too?) by a parent he knew, spent time with, trusted — who might have invited him to see the “cool, electric one” — a parent who would not stick out like a sore thumb because his child went to the school, but who might because he was wearing a uniform of some kind (maybe for work?), a parent who also drives a white truck and is very familiar with Sauvie Island…a parent who might have had a relationship with TH?
There was a truck that was photoshopped to look like it was parked on the access road. Anyone seeing this truck on the access road was asked to come forward. To me, this implies that someone told LE that they parked their truck in that location (or saw a truck in that location) and LE is thinking, no you did not and I’ll bet we can’t find anyone else that day that saw your truck there, not even Dave the groundskeeper.
So who would want LE to think that they parked there? Someone, possibly a LS who was supposed to be working there? OR does it go to the point that someone moved TH’s truck? We spent time speculating that someone moved her truck, only to now learn that there was no truck on the access road.
When Blink said there was one way in and out of the school, she was referencing the parking, not the building IIRC. If TH was parked around back, then the second white truck was supposed to be parked on the access road, but in reality was somewhere else.
Remember the pressor regarding DDS and the trucks? They were also looking for someone parked in the side lot (no vehicle description given), facing the access road. Perhaps this is where the second white truck really was.
And maybe certain interviews with the media, however innocently explained by the participants, were instead intended to call attention to this person — who perhaps certain participants in said videos had an ax to grind with?
@Lea Conner … TY for your calm reassurance. Waiting, patiently, for an update from you.
@Beejay … I understand about internet etiquette .. don’t want the FBI showing up at my door either .. lol .. maybe I need to take a break and finish watching “Driving Miss Daisy” on the VHS.
Indulge me while I try to sort this out. Let’s say TH said she parked on the access road, but she was really parked around back. Could that mean she wanted to distance herself from the building? Could it mean that she go into a different white truck when she left? Ky went to his dad’s white truck as instructed, but TH had already left in someone else’s white truck? Maybe she had to get to SI to switch trucks?
Hi All- needed to take some time off from posting to clear my head and get some emotional distance from the sadness of all this, but have been reading/lurking the whole time. At the risk of annoying some, I just want to say a little about what I’m noticing about the dynamics of this site. Several have said that this isn’t a therapy blog and would prefer people not share their personal stories. To me, the sharing says that many people who post on this site feel close and connected to others. Sharing personal info from time to time seems really normal to me. Although this site clearly isn’t about therapy, there is something therapeutic about joining together in a group for a noble purpose larger than ourselves, ie: justice for Kyron. Like it or not, Blink is somewhat like a group therapy leader – she moderates, comments when necessary and, like we saw a few pages back – confronted someone very directly. That’s pretty much what I do when I lead groups or teach group therapy to students. What we have on this site is, in psych terms, Cohesion – a tightly knit group with trust that pretty much can run itself. It’s what every group leader loves to have. I think it speaks to the high quality of you guys and Blink’s ability to moderate while juggling balls, plates and cigar boxes simultaneously. I feel close to many of you even though I don’t post very often. Grace, Riverpearl, Idahogal, it would be a pleasure and an honor to hang out with you – and several others too. We’re going to Portland in Dec to visit family and I’ll be wishing I could get together with some of you and will be checking my blackberry constantly and thinking of Kyron. Cassie, your story really touched me, as did many others. Please take good loving care of yourself during the holidays. Ok, all that being said – and sorry for going on and on… – here’s the case related stuff I’m pondering right now: If someone is bipolar but hasn’t yet had a manic episode, something that can trigger it are the anitdepressants in the SSRI family (Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil and others). In most people they ease depression, if they work at all, but in someone bipolar, they trigger mania. (In fact, with teens that’s a way to get a differential diagnosis). I think it’s possible that could have happened to Terri. She took meds for depression. Add that to drinking, personality disorder/s and street drugs(??)and you have heightened sexual acting out, excessive spending and, possibly the manic thinking to push her into feeling justified to harm Kyron. Kaine said she changed after Kiara came. I still think she’s responsible, whether or not she actually committed the deed herself remains to be seen. Charles Manson didn’t do the killings that terrorized LA, but he orchestrated them. Stun gun and container in school basement make sense – would probably take a man to carry outside. I still lean toward Terri directing him to the truck, unless witness saw him leaving with someone. -Thanks for bearing with me everyone – this was long.
While I am trying to find where it was reported that TH told LE that she had parked behind the school … I am finding other nuggets … such as ….
“On Saturday, sources told KGW that investigators believe someone other than Terri Moulton Horman may know what happened to the 7-year-old who disappeared from Skyline Elementary on June 4.”
hmmm … doesn’t say “in addition to” .. says “other than”
Also going back, what would we be “surprised” about? There are so many scenarios that are not really surprising. What, given the players we know (and maybe some we don’t) would surprise us?
Falstaff says:
November 22, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Just read your post. I’ve always wondered about BP and you’ve summarized it very well. I wish we knew more about BP. We may not be hearing much for good reason.
puzzled says:
November 22, 2010 at 1:05 pm
That would fit Puzzled. The part I wonder about is if Terri were involved (IMO, she is), why would she go to S.I.? You also make a good point about the lack of foilage etc. on the undercarriage of the truck. You would think Terri would keep her hands clean and go nowhere near where Kyron was, but…..what if she drove the truck to a meeting point and got into another vehicle that then headed onto Sauvie Island? Maybe Dede stayed behind in the truck with Kiara? Terri gets back to the truck, drops Dede off, then goes to the gym.
weeds says: November 22, 2010 at 3:11 am
“I was just wondering about the DUI Terri had. I wasn’t really sure about her criminal history so I checked. She has a DUI of course but she also has a ‘Recklessly Endanger Another’ (charge/arrest/conviction?) from the same day. Some speeding tickets and burning ‘Hazardous Materials Without a Permit’.”
The reckless endangerment resulted from having her son in the car at the time of the DUI.
The document you posted shows she was cited for burning waste materials without a permit. There is not any mention of “hazardous” anywhere in the citation. It is pretty common for people to burn trash in the country using “burn barrels.”
“I don’t remember anything blacked out when I looked at the sexts. I could be wrong. http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p145/idigweed/th4.jpg”
There were two different exhibits of same text messages. One was a very small portion of the texts that filed in July, which had the blacked-out information. This is the set you posted to your photobucket site.
The second exhibit texts included the messages from the July exhibit and was filed in October. The second exhibit was reformatted with different pagination from the July exhibit and was “redacted” electronically.
You can only view the original text by converting the PDF to an HTML file, then viewing the underlying images within the converted HTML file. The text messages are contained in .jpg photos of each page. Block-and-copy only gets you the redaction overlay, which is the gobblygook overlaying the texts.
“Terri’s parents did not re-mortgage their home to pay for Terri’s lawyer. http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p145/idigweed/th6.jpg”
I don’t know when you checked the Douglas County Clerk’s website, but there are deeds of trust that were entered since you ran your query.
“There are a lot of other things that I have to go through before I post. Are we allowed to post naked pictures if it pertains to a case?”
I’m not sure I want to know this, but do you have the photos from the photos from the alleged text messages?
@foobros
On june 25 KH mentioned the pumpkin patch on SI as a place that was being searched and a possibility. That it was a place familiar to Kyron because of trips that he has taken there. IDK if it is significant.
47.Kaylee says:
November 22, 2010 at 12:36 pm
@Kaylee- I just have to thank you for the recent info. you have shared. There has been much speculation about “the note”, and it is great to know it was written by a local mother with some psychic abilities. Also, I forgot to post my thanks about your former Moulton neighbors. That was very helpful as well in ruling out a connection to TH’s clan.
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Lea Conner says:
November 22, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Hi Lea – I’m glad you’re back. This news about AS-S makes me ask WTH? I don’t want to waste your time, I just don’t understand how a convicted rapist and two time illegal entry scumball gets released like this. It makes me nauseous. Is there any chance you could give me a brief “legal for dummies” explanation? Also, does this mean he is not being deported?! Yikes.
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puzzled says:
November 22, 2010 at 1:05 pm
(snipped) No electronic notification . LE would have that communication .. Had to have been a note.
-AND- She could have gone to SI, but I would think there were be natural habitat unique to SI left on the undercarriage or in the tires of the truck.
@puzzled- I love when you do your scenarios, this is another good one to think on. I’ve thought about the note vs. a phone a lot, you are exactly right that a phone call would leave a clue for LE, but what if the person calling TH used a bat phone, or even a pay phone? I say this because I remember it was raining hard that day, so how mushy would a note get sitting on a car? Good point about the dirt and such on the truck! I remember they had it towed for some repair, but I actually thought that was a fib, and that it was towed to LE for a serious inspection. I do believe you may have hit pay dirt here, so to speak. Maybe that is a big part of the SI mystery. Bravo!
The ICE database shows AS-S in Tacoma at the detention center this morning.
No explanation of charges and lol, it’s called ‘repatriation’ here vs ‘deportation’ or anything else.
http://www.ice.gov/doclib/dro/facilities/pdf/cscnwwa.pdf
“The Northwest Detention Center temporarily houses individuals who are waiting for their immigration status to be determined or who are awaiting repatriation.”
November 22, 2010 at 3:11 am
weeds says:
(snipped) “There are a lot of other things that I have to go through before I post. Are we allowed to post naked pictures if it pertains to a case?”
@weeds- ROTFL, you made my day. Thanks for all the good stuff, you rock.
13.enumclawrose says:
November 22, 2010 at 3:08 pm
I scrolled for about 20 min to find this statement
from blink awhile back, it’s one of hers that has not
left my mind.
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Two nearly identical white trucks-
“One parked in the rear, and Terri parked on the shoulder.
B”
would the truck in the rear be near the above mentioned door?
I personally do not think that is the door Kyron exited from.
B
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Blink,
Am I in sync with your defination of “back”?
Meaning the back where the asphalt , basketball hoop,
and drawings on the asphalt are?
Lets all not forget this from Blink!
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This person is affiliated with the school enough to risk taking a child out of it and not have hundreds of parents, teachers and faculty know exactly who to point the finger at.
B
Puzzled, is this what you are looking for?
puzzled says:
November 22, 2010 at 3:18 pm
While I am trying to find where it was reported that TH told LE that she had parked behind the school …
Blinks response to krowdkat 09/19 11:19am
Two nearly identical white trucks-
One parked in the rear, and Terri parked on the shoulder.
B
Sorry for posting so much, I barely had access to the computer yesterday due to hubby’s Fantasy Football addiction, argh!
Blink, LMAO! Color me paranoid AND embarrassed.
27.evie says:
November 22, 2010 at 4:23 pm
@evie- Huge sigh…thank you for the clarification on AS-S. I had the jeebies all over again, now I can relax. Maybe beejay is right and he will get shot down in Mexico.
wordweaver says:
November 22, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Also going back, what would we be “surprised” about?
Wordweaver, Sometimes I think BOC readers and posters are a little ahead of the curve. Maybe what would surprise the general public, which is who the statement was addressed to, wouldn’t surprise us here at BOC as we have thought through things more thouroughly. Just a thought, and a little group pat on the back. Or, another way to say it… I will be surprised, if we can be surprised, at this point.
@Idahogal says:
November 22, 2010 at 4:22 pm
“Also, does this mean he is not being deported?! Yikes.”
IG, the deportation is a separate matter, not done in the local court.
It’s also not very fast; he could be in Tacoma for a long time yet.
I am more curious about why they have let him leave local jurisdiction.
Kimberly, Looks like you, Puzzled and I are homing in on the same white truck comments from Blink, especially since her most recent post about no white truck on the access road. What is your take on what this implies?
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Kimberly says:
November 22, 2010 at 4:50 pm
13.enumclawrose says:
November 22, 2010 at 3:08 pm
I scrolled for about 20 min to find this statement
from blink awhile back, it’s one of hers that has not
left my mind.
***************
Two nearly identical white trucks-
“One parked in the rear, and Terri parked on the shoulder.
B”
would the truck in the rear be near the above mentioned door?
I personally do not think that is the door Kyron exited from.
B
@ Kimberly says:
November 22, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Lets all not forget this from Blink!
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This person is affiliated with the school enough to risk taking a child out of it and not have hundreds of parents, teachers and faculty know exactly who to point the finger at.
B
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SO, this person got Ky out that day, but has since disappeared. Or is locked up, awaiting a case to be made against him. Because, between all the witnesses there that day, and their photos and videos which LE is making a patchwork of, the perp is/will be known. And knew he would when he did it.
e-rose: that shows us a rationale by which LE could legitimately reassure Skyline parents that it was an “isolated incident”. Which is their official position, IIRC.
I have a corollary to my thought that “…the perp is/will be known. And knew he would when he did it.”
Corollary: “therefore, the perp is not someone with a vested interest in remaining in that community. He planned to disappear after he disappeared Ky.”
Alternative corollary: “…therefore, the perp is someone who could pull this off, but is too dull to realize he couldn’t just go home, have a beer, and return to his normal routine.”
Anyone can play. ‘Cause, basically, I got nothin’
@FamilyTHX
Welcome back. There are a number of posters that I look forward to reading posts from on this blog site. I don’t post alot but I do read this blog throughout the day since this little boy’s smile has captured my heart and I live in the area.
@27.Kimberly says:
November 22, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Lets all not forget this from Blink!
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This person is affiliated with the school enough to risk taking a child out of it and not have hundreds of parents, teachers and faculty know exactly who to point the finger at.
B
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Has Michael Cook been ruled out?
Well while we are all thinking about the abundance of white trucks don’t forget that at one point, somebody, maybe Blink…not sure…said that TH MIGHT have wanted the truck in order for “somebody” to think KH was at the school instead of her. I got the impression she was tryin’ very hard to NOT run into somebody from that statement.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.
Just cannot find it … reaching out to fellow Blinksters …
I’ve always had the impression that TH had parked in the back that day. Vaguely remember either in the emails or telling a friend, TH venting her frustrations at LE because they kept asking her over and over about where she parked the truck and why she parked in the back and not out front.
I remember clearly, because when the school parking lot pictures were released, I was able to lock in a visual of where the truck was… and the back exit.
When considering Beejay’s container theory, I thought this was the exit it would have been removed from and into a waiting truck.
… “Two nearly identical white trucks-
“One parked in the rear, and Terri parked on the shoulder” …
B”
we now know this is not true … there was not a truck parked on the shoulder.
Shoulder yes, Terri. Access Road, no. They are 2 different locations.
B
Ya’ll know what I would really like? If @weeds could access TH’s computer hard drive! Can you imagine what we could do with that?! Oh well, a girl can dream…
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Kimberly says:
November 22, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Lets all not forget this from Blink!
This person is affiliated with the school enough to risk taking a child out of it and not have hundreds of parents, teachers and faculty know exactly who to point the finger at.
B
Yes, and then I think of when Blink said: “I have a feeling this person is going to stick out like a sore thumb”, and I get stuck again. Sort of a catch 22 for me.
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@Kaylee- I forgot to ask, who is Harry Morgan? Or did you mean Harry Oakes with the dogs? The only Harry Morgan I can find was on the MASH TV show,lol.
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familythx says:
November 22, 2010 at 3:18 pm
@familythx- What a nice post and good info. I like that we are in “cohesion” and many times in “cahoots” together as well. I would love to meet the other Blinkers too. I wish we could all meet somewhere for a secret get together. I just don’t know how to arrange it and keep it secret at the same time.
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wordweaver says:
November 22, 2010 at 3:08 pm
@wordweaver- We are both thinking the same thing about BP, now how do we figure out if he and TH were connected? BTW I really enjoy your posts, your hat suits you quite well.
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Eloise, are you still out there? Haven’t heard from you in a coon’s age, hope all is well.
Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans’ extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared.
Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school’s front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school’s playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair.
In addition, the investigative team wants anyone who parked in the school’s south parking lot, between the school’s south entrance and Northwest Skyline Boulevard, before 8:45 a.m. to provide their name, license plate number, make, model, year and color of their vehicle.
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notice locations of possible sightings …
parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m.
parked outside the school’s front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard
anyone who parked in the school’s south parking lot, between the school’s south entrance and Northwest Skyline Boulevard, before 8:45 a.m.
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verifying 2 white trucks and one vehicle… now where’s that aerial shot of the school
@Weeds: My personal preference: NO NAKED PICTURES of TH regardless of how pertinent.
LOL
“Some of you had questions about her teaching. Here is her license. She has a basic teachers license and if you pay attention to the authorization, it says something interesting… (there are others, just the same thing with different effective dates)
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p145/idigweed/Terrihormon8.jpg”
I thought she was a reading specialist, certified to teach thru college level, and trained in all the usuals? That is not what it says on this certification, if I’m reading it correctly
Prayers for Kyron. Bring him home today!!!!!!!!!!!
39.Idahogal says:
November 22, 2010 at 10:39 am
Amy’s Sister says:
November 21, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Then I saw a comment at Scared Monkeys reminding us that neither Kaine nor Desiree have yet to make a plea to the abductor and it strikes me as odd that they would be trying to let Kyron know they want him back instead of pleading with the abductor to bring him home.
@Amy’s Sister- TY, you reminded me of something I keep forgetting to mention. I distinctly remember a news video that aired a few weeks after Ky disappeared in which DY did made a plea: “To whoever has Kyron, please just let him go. Drop him off somewhere and tell him to call 911”. I have tried many times to find this exact clip but haven’t had any luck at all. I just remember it so well in my head! Does anyone else recall this?
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Yes, Idahogal, I very clearly remember Desiree making this statement.
GraceintheHills says:
I’m going to go out on a limb here. I am thinking that it never happened the way she said. She did not wave goodbye to Kyron as he walked toward his classroom. Perhaps, that exchange never occurred at all.
Think about this. Up until that point, Kyron was still in her care, as kids apparently did not check-in to their classrooms until the 8:45 AM bell. She did not hand him off to a teacher in the classroom. She alleged left him in the hallway. IF she was so close to his classroom, why not just escort him inside? Instead, he vanished. MOO.
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Agreed. From day one TH’s explanation of when/how she said goodbye to Kyron never sat right with anyone I know in the local Portland area, not one. Add the fact that we later learned TH said Kyron was having seizures and wandering off, and it really makes no sense she would have left Kyron alone in the hallway.
I was just watching Issues With Jane and I heard Kaine say that the things he has found out about Terri have been shocking. It has been said over and over again that when the Sheriff said we would be shocked he could not have been talking about Terri because she’s already been through the mud. I disagree; my initial thought was that we would be shocked by the activities of this seemingly normal housewife. While we have been told about her drinking and sexting those things are not what I consider shocking. I also must point out that Kaine said her drinking was hidden which is a contradiction to the court filing.
puzzled says:
November 22, 2010 at 6:09 pm
verifying 2 white trucks and one vehicle… now where’s that aerial shot of the school
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I’m still in moderation about the white trucks around 5 pm today. What if the vehicle in the south lot is the other white truck?
Also, did Weeds mean the ‘We are not accepting applications from this person at this time.’ (?)
Jackie Bauer
says:
November 22, 2010 at 6:20 pm
I thought she was a reading specialist, certified to teach thru college level, and trained in all the usuals? That is not what it says on this certification, if I’m reading it correctly
Oops, processing, not accepting.
Snipped from:
puzzled says:
November 22, 2010 at 5:06 am
Nothing unusual about a “Dad” walking down the front steps of the school with his son and get into a ordinary white truck.
Conclusion:
1) Ky left Skyline that morning with someone he knew. Kaine and Desiree have said this from the very beginning.
2) This man knew TH would be driving the white truck that day .. because normally she would be driving the red mustang.
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I agree Puzzled! I really feel that Kyron knew who he left with, possibly quite well.
That’s whats been bothering me… I have always felt that Kyron left the school with a woman. I just found it easier to believe a woman could instill trust in him…even if she was a stranger.
IF Kyron left Skyline School with a man…I feel he knew that man well, because he had interacted with him before (possibly frequently), such as (a relative of his, a friends dad, grandpa, uncle, cousin, brother, etc., family friend, a doctor, school staff person(teacher, nurse, counselor, custodian, etc).
He has been portrayed as a timid child-and I don’t think a strange male could have made him comfortable enough to leave the building without making a potential scene. Someone well known to Kyron could have got him out of the school easily. Not that a stranger could not have done it-I just find it way less likely.
JMO