Kyron Horman Case: Terri Horman Sexts Sent To Kaine Horman’s Phone…. WHAT?
HOLD THE PHONE
In what can only be considered the latest bombshell development in the case of missing Portland boy, 7 year old Kyron Horman, blinkoncrime.com has discovered that the recent sexually graphic text messages or sexts, allegedly exchanged between Terri Horman and mutual friend Michael Cook, may have been altered. Definitely, alter-able.
Blinkoncrime.com has confirmed that the phone number which Kaine hand-wrote on the originally sealed emergency restraining order dated June 28, 2010, matches the cell phone number he also alleges, through his attorney Laura Rackner, was used by Michael Cook to RECEIVE the “sext” messages in question.
What’s the issue?
Kaine Horman owns the phone and the account it is registered to, and unless the allegation is that Terri Horman, using her own phone as purported by Kaine, is herself posing as Michael Cook and sexting herself, which would seem like a physical impossibility given some of her *glamour shots*, we have a serious problem.
In Kaine’s own handwriting on the June 28th Restraining Order, he pens that is an alternative number for Terri Horman.
In the contempt order filed by Kaine Horman on July 12, Ms. Rackner states that she has personally seen the “work phone” records of Michael Cook, and goes on to say “a search” of his cell phone reflected that he took snapshots on June 28th of the earlier served restraining order, which had been sealed, and was the basis for the contempt motion in the first place. He took pictures of sealed documents on the phone belonging to the other person bound by the same order prohibiting Terri Horman from showing anyone. As there are no texts on the work number until July, it is the only logical conclusion.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that at some point it occurred to someone that using good faith information in your affidavit, which when not alerting the court that your client has complete ownership and access to the data on the phone account in question, can look like bad faith in a nano-second, thus the withdrawal.
However, not everyone is on the same the playbill because the 21 pages of texts, which were released in PDF format, and do not include any numbers for Terri Horman herself, were supplied in an electronically redacted format; which again indicates this was not an original file.
It was not until the unredacted pdf’s became available October 26th and we converted them to HTML files could we see that based on the file format, it is clear these records came from the account owners and were not subpoenaed from the carrier. Original files, also provided to the respondent, are the requirement of the court. We all know texts can be sent from our phone online accounts, and from our phones directly; I think I even have voice command to text widget thingie.
Anyone that had access to the account, which is registered to Kaine Horman, could clone, spoof, or manipulate those messages, period. That aside, let’s consider the possibility that Terri Horman HAD implicated herself even slightly in any messages on phones that may be utilized to illicit information by a woman who demonstrated her complete knowledge that she understood what expectation of privacy parameters she was under the impression she was operating under, and engaging in, with the “textee”.
Terri Horman was represented by counsel, it would not be difficult for Stephen Houze allege that Kaine Horman was in constant contact with MCSO, had already been provided case sensitive information by them, and as such, was acting as an agent in soliciting the text messages. You see where I am going with this?
The fruit of that poisonous tree is more like the fruit of the poisonous orchard.
The implications of this scenario are abysmal. While I completely understand the desperation of a Father wanting to locate his child, since I have yet to really see anywhere Cook attempts to engage Terrri Horman about Kyron’s whereabouts at any time; I do not get the point of the exercise.
Ms. Rackner is a first rate “Super Lawyer”, but she is not above the burden of her duty to insure that what is being provided to her as a “good faith basis” is just that.
Does this information make Terri Horman any less vulgarly inappropriate at best? Hell to the No.
While it is true on the surface because of this information one will be hard pressed to prove it was definitely Terri Horman who sent the electronic ipecac none of us will soon forget, her attorneys have not denied it was her, nor do I expect them to, at least not until they read this.
What it does, yet again, is potentially compromise the criminal case involving the disappearance of Desiree Young and Kaine Horman’s son Kyron.
This afternoon, blinkoncrime.com contributing editor and Legal Analyst, Lea Conner weighed in:
Kaine Horman claims that law enforcement provided the texts records to him, but that does not mean that the records came from the cell phone provider, nor does it mean that the conversations involve Michael Cook or Terri Horman.
In fact, there are indications that the text message transcripts filled by Mr. Horman are not as they appear. At least one of the phones purported to belong to “Michael Cook” is registered to Kaine Horman.
Just as important, none of these records indicate any information about the texts Mr. Horman alleges were sent by his wife. Mr. Horman does not list any cell phone number, not one message ID, not one cell record that indicates the identity of other party to the conversation let alone indicating Ms. Horman as the other party to the text message “conversations.” In the case of the phone with the “503″ prefix (503-XXX-XX76), Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone that was purportedly sending texts as “Michael Cook.”
More bizarre, Mr. Horman listed this number as belonging to Terri Horman in his application for a temporary restraining order. Was this a slip on the part of Mr. Horman? Mr. Horman claimed in a motion for remedial contempt that Ms. Horman showed a copy of the restraining order to Mr. Cook and allowed him to photograph the document.
Given that the phone Mr. Horman is the registered owner of the phone he purports was used by “Michael Cook,” it begs the question as to whether Ms. Horman ever allowed Mr. Cook access to the sealed restraining order. As a party to the action, Mr. Horman had the very same sealed documents. Mr. Horman, through Counsel Laura Rackner, claimed to have reviewed Mr. Cook’s “work cell phone records.”
It is not clear if the documents Ms. Rackner referenced as Mr. Cook’s “work” cell records are, in fact, for the phone registered to Mr. Horman. If the sealed documents referenced in Mr. Horman’s contempt motion were photographed with the phone registered to Mr Horman — the same phone that Mr. Horman claims was used by Mr. Cook — it might help explain why Mr. Horman withdrew his contempt motion.
Had he gone forward with the motion, he might have had to explain how it was the documents allegedly photographed by Mr. Cook were the same documents that he had in his possession, and that the phone used to photograph sealed court documents was registered to him, not Mr. Cook.
The records for the phone with a “971″ prefix (971-XXX-XX63) are unlisted. This phone also purported to send texts as “Michael Cook.” Due to the unavailability of any registration for this phone, it is impossible to tell to whom the phone belongs, or who was actually sending texts from this phone. The unredacted copy of the cell phone records filed on October 25, 2010, only identifies one caller on each set of cell phone records. This means that the records came from the phone, not the cell provider. Text records on pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 are from (503) XXX-XX76 (“Cell Phone A”). These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 10:17 pm on June 30, 2010 through 7:19 pm on July 1, 2010.
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Cell Phone A is a Cingular/AT&T cell phone registered to Kaine Horman. It is also a phone number listed by Mr. Horman in his restraining order application as a phone number for Ms. Horman.
Pages 1 through 12 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the conversation attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. Text records on pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 are from (971) XXX-XX63 (“Cell Phone B”).
These pages allegedly represent text messages sent between 6:49 pm on July 4, 2010 through 8:30 am on July 6, 2010. The bottom of page 17 has a partial text message sent on July 6, 2010, which purports to be sent after 8:30 am. Cell Phone B is an unlisted cell phone with AT&T (formerly Cingular).
In separate court documents, “Michael Cook” is identified as the sender of text messages and the recipient of text messages is identified as “Terri Horman.” Pages 13 through 17 of Exhibit 1 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. All texts in Exhibit 2 are from Cell phone A, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 2:29 pm on July 3, 2010 through 9:40 am on July 4, 2010.
Exhibit 2 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (503) XXX-XX76. All texts in Exhibit 3 are from Cell phone B, and allegedly represent text messages sent between 8:44 pm on July 6, 2010 through 8:41 am am on July 7, 2010. The top of page 1 of this exhibit has part of an undated message from 8:41 am., possibly on July 6, 2010, that states “I understand. I’m upset about kitty. I didn’t do [sic]”
Exhibit 3 does not list any phone number for the portion of the text messages attributed to Ms. Horman, only that the texts listed were received by (971) XXX-XX63. Surely investigators working on this case must know that the cell records filed by Mr. Horman as coming from Michael Cook’s phone were not from Mr. Cook’s phone, but from a phone registered in his own name.
Someone in law enforcement must have noticed that the number Mr. Horman claims belong to Michael Cook is also the number he claimed belonged to his wife in his TRO application. Mr. Horman signed his application for temporary restraining order on Monday June 28, 2010, prior to its filing at 4:39 pm that afternoon.
This was two days after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office conducted its failed sting operation at the Horman residence on Saturday June 26, 2010. MCSO was unable to confirm the murder-for-hire plot that had been alleged by the landscaper. As a result, MCSO was not able to arrest Ms. Horman.
As such, why did law enforcement then give the green light to Mr. Horman to obtain a restraining order on the basis that his wife had hired to hire a hit man? Or did Mr. Horman act unilaterally without the endorsement of law enforcement? Surely Mr. Horman must have known that law enforcement could not verify the landscaper’s story, yet he went ahead and filed a restraining order based on the very allegations that law enforcement could not verify. So why did he sign his name to allegations that he knew were not true?
The text messages don’t check out. The murder for hire allegations don’t check out. The only common thread here is a man whose son disappeared on June 4, 2010. As tragic and anguishing as Mr. Horman’s circumstances may be, that does not excuse misrepresenting information to the court.
Mr. Horman cannot claim that the phone registered in his name is Michael Cook’s work cell phone, nor can he claim that the phone allegedly used by Michael Cook was used by Ms. Horman. When Sheriff Dan Staton talked about knowing things that might surprise people, could he have been talking about cell phone records? Maybe Stephen Houze and Peter Bunch will force the sheriff to reveal its source for the records.
Although the answer would not bring Kyron home, it might at least alleviate some of the blame heaped on Ms. Horman, as unpopular as that may be.
Lea Conner, contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
Madeline Tanner, copy and contributing editor, blinkoncrime.com
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@Weeds: so almost like she was lying
Since we don’t have any words from TH except for what she’s written in emails, I’ve tried to stick to a list of facts learned about her from others and match those behaviors to the anti-social personality disorder list to keep my own personal feelings from coloring my assessment. This teacher’s cert gives me another check in the “LIAR” box. Thanks for sharing that!
Familythx-
Thank you for your kind words.
Glad to see you posting again. Hope you will continue.
Also, I totally agree that TMH could have an un-diagnoised mental health disorder such as bi-polar. By adding drug or drugs would really get the ‘top’ a spinning & just for a ‘total cocktail’ add alcohol. (no shaking required) One could see a whole new set of problems w/ that mix.
PS Make sure you check weather conditions, we might just not have rain … look @ us now, snow w/black ice before Thanksgiving !
JMHO
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familythx says:
November 22, 2010 at 3:18 pm
It is one of the top questions I have had since the Sheriff spoke them.
The far flung thought would be ‘who you thought did it, didn’t & the person(s) you thought didn’t did.”
…from that starting point, just about anything to do w/ Kyron’s case, surprises me.
Why do adults put children into their *hit ?
Why can adults not:
Seek counseling (together or individual). Move out. Separate. Divorce.
Learn some NEW mantras:
Not every marriage/relationship is forever. MOVE ON.
Some people are NOT meant to be together. MOVE ON.
Life goes on IF you let it. MOVE ON.
Change yourself, change your life. MOVE ON.
Life IS precious. Cherish it.
Children are INNOCENT.
Get out of your way & MOVE ON ALREADY.
JMHO … to infinity and beyond …for Kyron & Desiree.
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wordweaver says:
November 22, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Also going back, what would we be “surprised” about? There are so many scenarios that are not really surprising. What, given the players we know (and maybe some we don’t) would surprise us?
Jamie says:
It has been said over and over again that when the Sheriff said we would be shocked he could not have been talking about Terri because she’s already been through the mud. I disagree;…
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I have always felt the same way. When the sheriff said they knew things they wish they did not, I had a sense witnesses had come forward to speak of TH’s treatment of Kyron before his disappearance – mainly because LE’s focus seemingly had continued to be on her.
Regarding Kaine stating TH hid her drinking problem, I don’t believe it is necessarily a contradiction to what the divorce papers state. Kaine mentioned in a prior statement he did not know TH had been drinking until after the fact when friends informed him she had snuck alcohol into the house. My take was that he had chalked up TH’s passing out on the couch etc. to side effects of prescription medication (which he indicated very early on she had been taking) and only learned later that alcohol was the real culprit.
As always, MOO.
@puzzled says:
November 22, 2010 at 6:09 pm
… verifying 2 white trucks and one vehicle… now where’s that aerial shot of the school…
Here you are, 2 ariel shots of Skyline School:
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Ms Jackie~
That’s pretty much how I read it. A BASIC teaching license for K-9th grade ONLY.
Also, NO Master of Education.
And lets NOT forget all the BOGUS EMPLOYEE of PPS & PPS EXPERIENCE.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p145/idigweed/TH2.jpg
IMO In TMH’s reality, IF TMH said it — it MAKES it TRUE.
JMHO
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Jackie Bauer
November 22, 2010 at 6:20 pm
I thought she was a reading specialist, certified to teach thru college level, and trained in all the usuals? That is not what it says on this certification, if I’m reading it correctly
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p145/idigweed/Terrihormon8.jpg”
S is correct about the lots. There is no parking lot south of the school. I missed the point about the importance of the south parking lot.
The school faces south toward Skyline Road which runs east and west. There are steps leading south from the school front door. A sidewalk runs east and west and parallel to the school to the east parking lot. Then I believe another set of steps to the lower grassy playground which runs parallel and between the school and the road.
At the foot (south) of the grass is a paved sidewalk that children had drawn chalk pictures on earlier this summer for Kyron. Someone had left a box of sidewalk chalk there. It ran along the “Wall of Hope.” On the south side of the fence (wall of hope) there were 2 to 4 trees. The access road is next and runs parallel to Skyline Road and raised above it a few feet and is going to west to the soccer field. It is used to access to the grassy field. There is only room for foroneone vehicle driving to the field. If anything was parked there it would be difficult to impossible to drive around. I don’t recall any shoulder on the road. It seemed like ditches. No place to park there.
The “main” parking lot is on the east side of the school. The school is U shaped with the bottom of the U parallel with Skyline Road. If you drive in the parking lot to the east of the school parking is on both sides of you. You would be driving north. There is one door on that side of the school which in my mind would have been the door near Kyron’s classroom. However, I don’t know where his classroom was located. There are windows facing the east parking lot on the north side of the door.
If you drive further there are, I believe, a couple of garage shop type buildings. It has been a few months. Turn left (west) and there is a large paved area in the middle of the school which is shaped like a U with classroom windows facing it from all 3 sides. So there are windows on 3 sides of the North parking lot.
I didn’t look for doors. I felt like an intruder. To the north of the paved area is a covered play shed roof. The soccer field would be further west and downhill. I would call this the north parking lot and think it is referred to here? as the south parking lot. It is the parking lot in back of the school.
The Wall of Hope is now basically on the other side of the fire station building which is west of the soccer field.
I was surprised the road I took to Skyline from the south came directly out in front of the school. I was amazed my sense of direction from Highway 26 was so good. It was a very crooked not well marked route.
When this first happened it seemed like a couple of the people being considered as being related to this case had white pickups. It seemed like Rudy did and also Puma?? There may have been another also. Do any of the parents have white trucks? I believe Terri directed him to the truck instead of the classroom.
@enumclawrose – Desiree did not say it wasn’t Kaine’s white truck. I have seen her twice now correct a reporter that the truck was NOT Terri’s but that it was Kaine’s truck. (I think her point in clarifying it goes along with ‘why did Terri ask to drive Kaine’s truck that day when she normally uses the car?’ Then she didn’t even pick up the science exhibit which was the reason she gave for using the truck.) Also, I don’t believe there is a shoulder to Skyline Boulevard.
Can someone clarify what the reporter was talking about when she said. “Potentially one person in the truck…three people…THE WHITE TRUCK, Terri’s truck.”…………… Desiree cut her off here and corrected her that it was Kaine’s truck………………. What THREE people??? did what??? were where??? What had the reporter started to say? Did Kaine’s truck have dark windows in the back seats. It is very common in trucks around here.
GraceintheHills-
IIRC The FIRST bell rang @ 8:35am and the 8:45am, you’re busted if you’re NOT in class and considered TARDY.
Where is neighbor, pps-mom ? (Someone explained the bell times before)
IF (BIG IF) TMH WAITED til 8:45am Kyron was LATE & TARDY.
JMHO
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GraceintheHills says:
November 22, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Did the second bell ring at 8:45, to remind the kids they needed to be in their classrooms? If what TMH said is true, and Kyron was headed to check-in, the window of opportunity to snatch him was *extremely* narrow. It would appear it was only a matter of seconds.
Typo/format exclusion @ 2:16am post :
8:35am bell, is get to class bell & 8:45am bell, you’re late & tardy.
Thanks
Know my question cannot be answered BUT —
WHO has EVER picked Kyron up from school ?
To any Skyline parent, do all children just walk out of the building @ dismissal ? Or do parents go to classrooms to pick up ?
How is ‘during school day’ departures handled ? Does a person go to classroom -or- office ?
Could the ‘someone’ who took Kyron have already been a person that picked him up @ school before ?
Could this person have picked up Ky when TMH was too drunk -or- ?
Just some questions to ponder … JMHO … to infinity and beyond … for Kyron.
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Kimberly says:
November 22, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Lets all not forget this from Blink!
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This person is affiliated with the school enough to risk taking a child out of it and not have hundreds of parents, teachers and faculty know exactly who to point the finger at.
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Okay guys, reading your posts together made me think of (to name a few):
John Lennon’s murder – As Lennon passed by, he looked at Chapman briefly and continued on his way. Within seconds, Chapman took aim directly at the center of Lennon’s back …Outside, doorman Perdomo shook the gun out of Chapman’s hand then kicked it across the sidewalk.[12] Chapman then removed his coat and hat in preparation for the police arrival to show he was not carrying any concealed weapons and sat down on the sidewalk. Doorman Perdomo shouted at Chapman, “Do you know what you’ve done?”, to which Chapman calmly replied, “Yes, I just shot John Lennon.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_John_Lennon
the Ronald Reagan assassination attempt -The motivation behind Hinckley’s attack stemmed from an obsession with actress Jodie Foster,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_assassination_attempt
Robert Kennedy assassination murder – In the early morning hours of June 5, 1968, in a ballroom at The Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, California. Leaving the ballroom, he went through the hotel kitchen after being told it was a shortcut,[40] despite being advised to avoid the kitchen by his bodyguard, FBI agent Bill Barry. In a crowded kitchen passageway, Sirhan Sirhan, a 24-year-old Christian Palestinian (who felt betrayed by Kennedy’s support for Israel in the June 1967 Six-Day War,[41] which had begun exactly one year before the assassination), opened fire with a .22-caliber revolver. Kennedy was hit three times and five other people also were wounded. George Plimpton and former decathlete Rafer Johnson are credited with wrestling Sirhan Sirhan to the ground after Sirhan shot the Senator.[42]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy
ALL of these ‘shooters’ STAYED, they EACH WANTED the RECOGNITION.
Beejay says in part …”Because, between all the witnesses there that day, and their photos and videos which LE is making a patchwork of, the perp is/will be known. AND KNEW HE WOULD WHEN HE DID IT.”
Is this PERSON trying to GAIN TMH FAVOR by getting RID of a THORN in HER SIDE ?
He has NO FEAR of prosecution because it is HIS HONOR & PRIVILEGE to have GIVEN HER WHAT SHE WANTED ?
I hope this makes sense, to someone, cause all of a sudden I feel sick.
JMHO
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enumclawrose says:
November 22, 2010 at 7:52 pm
beejay says:
November 22, 2010 at 5:11 pm
SO, this person got Ky out that day, but has since disappeared. Or is locked up, awaiting a case to be made against him. Because, between all the witnesses there that day, and their photos and videos which LE is making a patchwork of, the perp is/will be known. And knew he would when he did it.
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Wow beejay, that last sentence really says a mouthful. This person must be completely bold and/or in custody.
Well, one answer could be–look at all the confusion it can instill.
Another, one to snatch, one to inform.
JMHO
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enumclawrose says:
November 22, 2010 at 9:31 pm
puzzled says:
November 22, 2010 at 8:01 pm
snip>I think this is the vehicle of Suspect #3.
Way back when, I thought there were three suspects, just based on the information LE was looking for. I don’t want to confuse three vehicles with three suspects, but it could be up to three. We think we know have TH arriving in a white truck, and we possibly have an abductor with a white truck, or an abductor with a vehicle in the south lot, or both, or all three. WHY all of these vehicles and people? I understand three people maybe in the grand scheme of things, but why so many people and vehicles to pull this off at the school?
I wondered if Kyron’s glasses were taken just as he was leaving the building… “Here Ky, let me clean your glasses. Oops, I broke them, we’ll have to get those replaced. Now go on out to the truck, it’s parked right outside the door and so and so is waiting in it for us. I have to run back to the classroom and get your jacket, will meet you out there in a sec.”
Ky goes to the truck, but cannot distinguish that it’s not his Dad’s truck and so he gets in.
Could be why the science fair photo was published showing Kyron without his glasses, perhaps the witness noticed Kyron was not wearing his glasses when out by the truck.
Terri waits a moment for the accomplice to leave with the child, then she leaves. Busy’s herself for the next hour to ensure the school will not be calling to look for Kyron, then gives the okay to proceed.
After making the call, however, she’s told that plans have changed so she rushes around trying to gain control of the situation.
The girls who helped her cover by getting bat phones all knew of this plan and all scrambled to cover it up? Terri may have led them to believe Kyron was being spirited away to a ‘safe house’ in order to get their assistance and support.
Just a hunch: It’s my belief that someone has told everything they know to LE. This case will go to trial. I feel it in my bones. I also believe even Blinksters will be at least a little surprised by what is revealed.
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Also, regarding the note left at the wall of hope. That would be a strange thing to do, make up a note like that and leave it at Kyron’s wall. IF these psychic ladies did this, I have to wonder what they were thinking? Here is LE looking for clues, and a family searching for their little boy and someone leaves a note like that?
Usually psychics are more responsible and will only offer what they know using discretion and sensitivity. The gift of vision and knowing is generally not flaunted in such a way as to confuse investigators.
Not only that but the media reported that the note was left by a man at night who was caught and questioned by police. I think he was described as vagrant, but I could be wrong about that recollection. The note was immediately cut and taken away by LE, presumably as evidence. Am I not recalling that correctly?
Well now I have caught up to Beejay’s post which now makes my post of RECOGNITION totally a moot point.
Okay, back to reading & trying to catch up …
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beejay says:
November 22, 2010 at 10:19 pm
@kimberly: If I understood your sequence within your 9:31 post, you were asking me this:
@ Beejay,
I agree, but what I don’t get is, when you say
they (perp) knew they would be known”!
Do you really think they wanted to be known of
doing such a thing?
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Beejay answering: NOOOOOOOOO. What I’m saying is this gives us a clue about who the perp is and is not. It is someone who knew he could NOT stay in the community, on his job, etc. after he disappeared Ky.
(OR, my alternative: he’s not too bright and didn’t know that ahead of time. Let’s leave that out for the moment.)
Let’s also leave TH out for the moment. Let’s assume she (and or Kaine, maybe) thru their lifestyle choices, let the vampire in. Since Blink is adamant about Rudy’s involvement, and since Rudy seems fairly bright, let’s consider this possibility:
1) TH had been avoiding Rudy for awhile (after the Mother’s Day incident at her home, etc). She thought he might be at the school that day. Why? IDK. Maybe thought he might be working on his landscaping project. Or might go there to stalk her, with the excuse of checking on his landscaping.
2) Rudy was there. And he’s the one that directed Ky to go outside for something, which took him to or near a white truck (not the Horman truck). Rudy, being clever, was never seen walking outside the school with Ky. But Ky went to a white truck that was driven by the perp (the guy Blink says WOULD stick out like a sore thumb at Skyline); Ky was subdued, quickly hidden in the truck under a tarp or something. Perp leaves with Ky.
3) Rudy was in another vehicle. Not a white truck.
It gives us somebody clever enough to plan the disappearance. And clever enough not to do the actual deed himself. And sufficiently known to Ky to get Ky to go close to the perp, who is not part of the school or community. And is now either long gone or in jail.
And that’s how somebody got Ky out of Skyline. And we don’t know the perp’s name, cause he lives on the fringe of society and isn’t part of that community or anyone we would know. But Rudy would.
And that’s all the theories I got. I don’t know where the perp’s truck was parked, or which door Ky came out. But somebody who’s good at that could flesh this out if it seems plausible and of interest.
… Continuing w/ thoughts along Beejay’s …
RS being ‘sneaky’ … maybe TMH saw him & that is one reason he made sure ( & as I have said before maybe WHY TMH left the school EARLIER which left Ky alone).,so SHE ONLY WOULD know HE was ‘snatching’ Ky since NO else would have seen ANY encounter HE had w/Ky.
RS can casually walk to a car & drive away possible w/o knowledge of WHERE Kyron went/ended up/is now. He would pass a LDT on where Ky is BUT NOT WHO took him/ has him etc. (He might be able to dodge that question IF HE left Skyline BEFORE Kyron.)
What IF RS told Kyron he had something for him in the truck ? Something he was not able to give him earlier since the ‘falling out in May’ w/TMH ?
What if RS was ALWAYS NICE to Ky ? What IF RS had his children or some children w/him, to help blend in, & said hey y’all can go outside to play … whatever IT was said, to ‘guide him’ outside & away from any other adult supervision ?
IF RS’s NEST has some connection to AS-S, there more than likely there is more than 1 SO.
JMHO
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beejay says:
November 22, 2010 at 10:19 pm
@kimberly: If I understood your sequence within your 9:31 post, you were asking me this:
@ Beejay,
I agree, but what I don’t get is, when you say
they (perp) knew they would be known”!
Do you really think they wanted to be known of
doing such a thing?
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Beejay answering: NOOOOOOOOO. What I’m saying is this gives us a clue about who the perp is and is not. It is someone who knew he could NOT stay in the community, on his job, etc. after he disappeared Ky.
(OR, my alternative: he’s not too bright and didn’t know that ahead of time. Let’s leave that out for the moment.)
Let’s also leave TH out for the moment. Let’s assume she (and or Kaine, maybe) thru their lifestyle choices, let the vampire in. Since Blink is adamant about Rudy’s involvement, and since Rudy seems fairly bright, let’s consider this possibility:
1) TH had been avoiding Rudy for awhile (after the Mother’s Day incident at her home, etc). She thought he might be at the school that day. Why? IDK. Maybe thought he might be working on his landscaping project. Or might go there to stalk her, with the excuse of checking on his landscaping.
2) Rudy was there. And he’s the one that directed Ky to go outside for something, which took him to or near a white truck (not the Horman truck). Rudy, being clever, was never seen walking outside the school with Ky. But Ky went to a white truck that was driven by the perp (the guy Blink says WOULD stick out like a sore thumb at Skyline); Ky was subdued, quickly hidden in the truck under a tarp or something. Perp leaves with Ky.
3) Rudy was in another vehicle. Not a white truck.
It gives us somebody clever enough to plan the disappearance. And clever enough not to do the actual deed himself. And sufficiently known to Ky to get Ky to go close to the perp, who is not part of the school or community. And is now either long gone or in jail.
And that’s how somebody got Ky out of Skyline. And we don’t know the perp’s name, cause he lives on the fringe of society and isn’t part of that community or anyone we would know. But Rudy would.
And that’s all the theories I got. I don’t know where the perp’s truck was parked, or which door Ky came out. But somebody who’s good at that could flesh this out if it seems plausible and of interest.
PS. WHAT IF RS told Ky he would come see his SF project the last time the two talked ?
What IF RS had said I’ll bring you something (a frog ? ) to celebrate ?
Maybe all the time RS was being NICE to Ky was ‘grooming’ all along to the fateful day ?
Could this be the ‘connection’ to the MFH ? There were two plans in concert ?
A ‘contract killer’ w/ two targets ?
JMHO
I think that LE’s posters/ pictures of TH and DS were not so people could recognize them both together, but so witnesses could distinguish DS from TH. JMO
TYPO*TYPO*
Jeez’, Error: When CDA Rod Underhill FIRST said BETWEEN time of 8:15am ~ 8:45am
and came back w/ 8:15am ~ 8:45am?”
CORRECTION TO POST ;: When CDA Rod Underhill FIRST said BETWEEN time of 8:15am ~ **8:30am** and came back (w/correction) w/ 8:15am~ 8:45am.
Sory, sorry, sorry.
Thanks
JMHO
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riverpearl says:
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November 23, 2010 at 12:59 am
GraceintheHills-
Remember @ church presser w/large blow-up photos of white Ford p/u @ @ different locations ?
When CDA Rod Underhill FIRST said BETWEEN time of 8:15am ~ 8:45am
and came back w/ 8:15am ~ 8:45am?
I always felt he SLIPPED … makes me go hmmm
JMHO …for Kyron to infinity and beyond.
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GraceintheHills says:
November 22, 2010 at 2:38 pm
1.neighbor says:
September 23, 2010 at 8:51 pm
“@MBS wrote “Perhaps there is a parent from Skyline or someone who knows a Skyline parent reading this who would know for sure if the opening of regular school was officially delayed for SF.”
Nothing gave me the impression that this was a late start. Late starts are advertised as such in advance. Typically about once a month on a Wednesday.”
neighbor responds,
“The only unusual part was that parents/family/friends were invited from 8:00 to 10:00. Students reported to their classroom at 8:45 as usual. I was in another class where the teacher did a 10 minute group time at 8:45 after which she dispatched small groups of students with chaperons. Until 10:00 the students learned by visiting science projects in different classrooms. From 10:00 on, the normal routine resumed.”
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This timeline has caught my eye again. If the times are correct, and she watched Ky walk down the hallway, it seems virtually impossible that TMH didn’t see something.
TMH says she waved goodbye to Kyron in the hallway around 8:45 (or 9:00AM) as he approached his classroom, and then left the school. According to the above post by neighbor, Kyron had to be inside his homeroom by 8:45.
Did the second bell ring at 8:45, to remind the kids they needed to be in their classrooms? If what TMH said is true, and Kyron was headed to check-in, the window of opportunity to snatch him was *extremely* narrow. It would appear it was only a matter of seconds.
I can see why LE wanted to interview TMH repeatedly. If this timeline is correct, TMH would have been in the hallway, or at least in that general vicinity, when Ky was taken. One would think if he had made it into his classroom, he would have been seen by his teacher, and not marked absent that day.
In the MSM, it has been repeatedly reported that LE says TMH was the last one to see Kyron.
Who in the world is capable of snatching a seven year old boy in a matter of seconds as he walks a few short steps down the hallway of a school on a relatively high traffic day as his stepmother watches? And, more importantly, why didn’t TMH see that person or see the abduction?
I’m going to go out on a limb here. I am thinking that it never happened the way she said. She did not wave goodbye to Kyron as he walked toward his classroom. Perhaps, that exchange never occurred at all.
Think about this. Up until that point, Kyron was still in her care, as kids apparently did not check-in to their classrooms until the 8:45 AM bell. She did not hand him off to a teacher in the classroom. She alleged left him in the hallway. IF she was so close to his classroom, why not just escort him inside? Instead, he vanished. MOO.
So many questions…
GraceintheHills-
Also, I previously posted it was possible IF TMH SAW RS @ the SF/school that day & fled leaving Ky alone, she MADE UP a departure because she did not want to admit she LEFT HIM un-supervised for a rather long period of time.
Or did she ‘make her appearance’ & LEAVE for whatever reason, a drink ?, boredom ? whatever ? What IF TMH left & that is why her story ‘keeps on a changing’ … she has absolutely no clue WHERE Ky was LAST ?
I have always wondered about the ‘sightings’ of Ky w/TMH, were they all around the same period of time, maybe even the same time ? Could TMH/Ky have gotten to the SF/school very close to opening ~8:00am & photos were taken of Ky & Kurtis, TMH & Ky are seen by @ least PTA Zimmerman & 2 teachers but pretty much no one else after that SAW TMH ?
Maybe TMH was long GONE NO LATER than 8:30am ?
Remember the older student in the gym, saw Ky w/”friends” & a white truck out back ?
Could very well be TMH was GONE from the school. Just because Ky was ‘w/friends’ maybe it was just other students milling about, that the whole classroom groups had NOT happened yet.
JMHO
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riverpearl says:
November 23, 2010 at 1:07 am
GraceintheHills-
When you add the CDA timeline (possible) SLIP w/ your remark: “I’m going to go out on a limb here. I am thinking that it never happened the way she said. She did not wave goodbye to Kyron as he walked toward his classroom. Perhaps, that exchange never occurred at all.”, it already was a given.
I thought I posted this last nite, could have sworn I saw it in moderation, I’ve gone back and checked times and can’t see it, so I’m gonna try it again. Thanks!
Wordweaver….. The “cool electric one” comment was made by Tanner Pumala, his testimony to LE was not considered relevant…(my word not LE’s word)
Tanner Pumala, Kyron’s classmate, said he last saw his friend at about the same time when Kyron told him he was headed to look at another student’s science project.
“He walked by the hallway and I’m like, ‘Hi, Kyron,’ and he’s like, ‘Hi. I’m going to go see this cool one. It’s electric.’ I’m like, ‘Alright, bye.’ And that’s the last time I saw him,” Tanner said. “He never did make it back to class.”
http://www.kptv.com/news/23842774/detail.html
You can actually YouTube him and get another statement that mentions a substitute , that I believe may have been a chaperone, and Tanner says he’s going to check out the cool electric one. His story does change in that he’s the one going to see the cool electric one. There was some suggestion that Tanner was confused because he referred to a substitute that could have actually been a chaperone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHdLd2SvUSU
It would be helpful to know if there really was a really cool electric one down in the basement and who’s it was. I’m sure LE knows. Any skyline parents or neighbors wanna help me out here??
Mary Roses Daughter….I think we did talk about that quite a bit but we didn’t have anything really to go on except RS talkin’ and TH not sayin’ a word. That scenario actually made sense to me but as far as our knowledge lets us know it’s a he said, she said nothin’ case right now.
Just for the record I brought up the possibility about TH really talkin’ the truck so someone else may have thought KH took Kyron to the science fair because it was a good point. I am the one that keeps posting I have the same mustang with a toddler the same age as Kitty and I would have wanted to take the truck simply because it has more room in my opinion on that hasn’t hanged
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates
Re: School parking lot locations. Skyline faces South at a slight angle to the West. There is a parking lot on the East side that extends around the back to more parking spaces on the North side of the school. The playground is in front and the soccer field is on the West side. I’ve been up there quite a few times so I thought I’d clarify. You can copy and paste this link to your browser for a google earth aerial view to see the layout, and also should be able to pop the little man down and look around if you want. I can’t find an easier way to get you a good map and I hope it works for everyone.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Skyline+Elementary+School,+Portland,+OR&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=50.37814,78.662109&ie=UTF8&hq=Skyline+Elementary+School,&hnear=Portland,+Multnomah,+Oregon&ll=45.607553,-122.855612&spn=0.005291,0.009602&t=h&z=17
After considering so many different scenarios, I think the only thing that would truly be shocking for me is if there were teachers or school administrators involved, law enforcement, or another immediate family member involved.
I wish Kyron, wherever he is, is safe and happy and knows that he is loved.
Whomever was directly involved with grabbing Kyron and removing him from the school might not be the one who would be shocking to everyone. It’s possible that that person could just be taking orders from someone in another location who might be involved in shocking behavior.
I know that it’s of critical importance to figure out who it was that physically took Kyron out of the school, but if there were ways of stepping back, in Blinks terms, 30,000 feet and looking at what kind of criminal activity might have been going on to facilitate this disappearance. Kyron is nowhere to be seen and whomever is responsible could have gotten “lucky” or could have incredible resources to get away with such a complicated, complete disappearance of a child.
I wish I had more to offer
Isn’t B. Pumala(sp?) the only person not accounted for with a similar white truck? He just happened to be crossing over to the field of electrical work?!
What IF TMH”s timeline really got “messed up” from from the school onward …
She KNEW she left him early but when she had to give her timeline from school,
she BELIEVED @ first 9:00am covered her, no- would 8:45am work ?
LE has confirmation @ FM’s & Albertson … But we have no clue to the actual time @ the Albertson & have some type of receipt from FM#1 @ 9:12am (maybe Starbucks ?) & a sighting & talk w/ gym woman employee.
Think how much time she had if she is gone from school 8:15 or 8:30am @ the latest ?
Than to be informed of Ky’s ‘snatching’ & cell phone goes a pinging.
Maybe all along she was waiting for it all to happen but did not know the exact when ?
Maybe the ‘contract killer’ wanted a ‘tip’ w/ his payment ?
Or maybe Kyron was payment for the ‘contract killer’s’ troubles w/ MFH ?
Maybe Ky was always part of the payment for MFH ?
Think what a ‘market’ for a child, say a disgrunted housewife wants her husband gone (1-killer) -AND- husband’s son gone (1-ped/ SO) BUT what if 1-”contract killer” is in jail BUT the 1- ped’/ SO is still expecting HIS payment ?
Maybe TMH believed since “contract killer #1″ was in jail the “contract” on BOTH would NOT happen ?
Maybe thisi is why she was “blindsided” & she went into CYA mode because she knew exactly WHAT was going on ?
Maybe the reason it was “talked” about 6-8 months before is come spring there would be easier access, better weather & time was needed to “plan”, get their ducks in a row so to speak.
Maybe that is one of the reasons the emails were released thru DY, to show TMH had hate for Ky way back ?
That this housewife is far from blameless ?
JMHO
IF say another red-head picked up a reciept going to “their garden volunteer job”—
TMH may of had 8:15~8:30am to 9:30/9:45~10:00ish time OPEN & NOT accounted for.
Continuing from 9:45~10:00ish to 11:39 sign-in @ Gym (almost around the corner from FM#2.
Max 15mins @ gym approx till 11:54am to IIRC 1:21pm to FB photo post & KH home after 2:05~2:10pm (KH said he left work @ 1:45pm & said it takes 20~25 mind to get home.)
There is A LOT of unaccounted time.
JMHO
One other thought: The Mastermind didn’t even need to know what the school’s procedures were for contacting parents about an absence. Or whether the school was following their own procedures. Nor would the teacher need to be confused about a doctor’s appt.
All Mastermind needed to do was make sure that TH did not return to the school for a few hours, until the perp was safely well away.
Since Blink believes that this was a fake-kidnapping, at some point Mastermind felt safe enough to approach TH’s truck and leave the fake-kidnapping note and/or glasses. Once she got that, she would not be returning to the school to pick up Ky’s science project. She knew who MM was, and drove around trying to find him and/or Ky.
Rule #1 for a good criminal: leave no evidence. Corollary: the fewer fingers in the pie, the less likelihood you’ll be caught. Only 2 people planned and executed the crime: RS and his associate (who is long gone; in jail; submerged in his den around town; dead–the best protection of all.)
I remember seeing some pics of a photo album DS and possibly a picture of her brother’s truck out in the country. I just wish I could remember where I saw those pics. It might have been FB KHOD site in the first few months. That particular site was public and then went private and t hen went back to public due to some poster issues.
Also just curious how many Portland area Blinkettes we have. Maybe we could meet up at a coffee shop in the area after the snow and ice go away of course.
Oh, and Mastermind, if he was the one who left the note on TH’s truck (and he might not want to trust this important move to anyone else), was in a disguise and not in his own vehicle. Maybe even on foot. He’s no fool.
Karma, karma and more karma. I believe in it wholeheartedly. There WILL be justice for the little guy. Many prayers today, as always for Kyron Horman.
Maybe the May police call was to make sure there was a record of ‘break up’ so they EACH or ONE could claim NO connection.
And each or one could claim NO contact, hence NO way involved when Kyron disappears ?
Maybe the May call WAS part of the plan all along ?
Cleaning up/disposal of evidence so to speak ?
Remember Blink has said TMH was not skilled to make Ky vanish into ‘thin air’
(cell phone pinging) BUT she knew someone who could.
JMHO
I was re-reading some websites this morning. And read the Seamus Riley Statement Analysis on DS. Pretty interesting comments.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/08/dede-spicher-to-people-magazine-part-2.html
I had a dream last night, that a black hawk helicopter landed in my back yard. The pilot came in my door and I started yacking at him, where is kyron, how come we haven’t heard anything? Told him I am needing some answers because the dots ARE NOT connecting for me! He said. “They will” then he went to the fridge and grabbed a pop, turned and went out the back door ???
I woke up frustrated at that pilot. LOL, I guess he was a man of very little words..
I don’t ever remember my dreams, yet I have had three since kyron been missing. Odd.
beejay says:
November 22, 2010 at 10:19 pm
Oh beejay, I do believe you’ve nailed it. The way you’ve laid this out makes perfect sense. I’ve always believed that there were 2 trucks, and that Ky was taken away in RS’s truck, not the Horman’s. This scenario ties up all the loose ends for me and explains everything to a tee:
We have RS that fits in at the school, and the perp that would stick out like a sore thumb IF anyone had seen him, and they did as per: The person seen sitting in the Horman truck was actually sitting in RS’s truck. Further:
LE doesn’t believe the person in the truck was DDS, and it wasn’t.
No one at the school was able to make an ID on the perp because no one knew him.
This person, the perp, could have used a tazer or stun gun as suggested by Jackie Bauer.
By the time LE made the connection to RS and were able to do forensics on RS’s truck it had been cleaned up and voila, no evidence left.
This is why LE wanted the vehicle ID’s from everyone parked in the South lot that day.
This is why LE was asking if anyone saw DDS or TH in the white truck in those areas. They were actually ruling them out rather than trying to rule them in.
TH was blindsided and doesn’t know the actual who, she can only point the finger at RS.
AND the perp is gone or in jail.
Well, I could go on and on with this, if just clicks in every way for me.
Absolutely brilliant, beejay.
Kaine’s interview with Jane Velez-Mitchell
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/22/ijvm.01.html
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Do you have a theory as to what happened to your son?
HORMAN (via telephone): I have a few, and it just really — it just depends on how investigations go. It will help kind of dictate which ones of those are correct. But I have a couple of, yes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You can`t share any of that with us even though —
HORMAN: You know, I`d rather not, our divorce case is still pending. We`re in the middle of the legal process there. The criminal cases haven`t started.
And when they do — yes, I really — yes, I have theories but sharing those theories potentially does some jeopardy to his case by giving other people insight that I really don`t want to have to share that information with.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Was there one moment where you suddenly looked at her and said, oh, my God, and then chills and goose bumps just invaded your body and you said, “Oh, my god, the person I`m living with, that I share my bed with, I believe might have something to do with my child`s disappearance?”
HORMAN: Yes. Those were all events or times that occurred after he was missing already. And during those weeks that followed, that process we went through, the investigative process, it`s — let`s face it.
It`s a grueling process and it`s your ability as a parent or family member to be ruled out, to be ruled out as a suspect, to be ruled out as having any involvement with whatever has happened. And you have every ability to work with them, to clear yourself.
And as soon as that started to go south, as soon as she was refusing to cooperate, lots of suspicion arose, and I — I stood by her as long as I could until I couldn`t stand by her anymore. Then we had to leave for our own safety. And I think that we did everything that we could. I mean we – - there was other people who stood by her as long as they could as well, until we just got to the point where the behaviors didn`t match what we thought was going on.
And, yes, those were definitely either goose bumps or just those twinges in the intuition that say, ok, enough is enough. We`re kind of past the point of being reasonable in our support here. We need to take a different path.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I have covered your case from the very start, and what gets me most of all, Kaine, is how your life just turned upside down and really turned into a living nightmare. Could you ever have imagined you would be in a situation where you are now, where your son is my missing and the person you live with, who you thought was your sort of soul mate, turned out to be somebody who, in your opinion, is — well, I`ll quote you, “a master of deception, misdirection,” and really the way you describe her as really sort of evil.
HORMAN: Yes. It`s — there`s a lot of things that we`ve found out or are finding out that were happening during the time that we were together that they`re just shocking. They are. And some of those behaviors, some of those events are, yes, things you don`t even see them coming.
No matter how hard you may look — most normal people don`t go home every day and investigate their spouse. I don`t think many people have that approach when they go home. And I`m one of those people. To have that twist everything around — yes, life is what we will call a new normal after the fact — the fact of him going missing and then us finding out more about her.
Life has definitely taken a different path, but it`s all relative. I — you have to put it in perspective and remember every day what he`s potentially going through right now and it doesn`t matter how much our life goes sideways at this point in time as long as we keep looking for him and bring him home. It`s all that matters and everything else will be whole when he comes back.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m a recovering alcoholic myself with 15-and-a-half years of sobriety. I just want to ask you, you`ve said your estranged wife Terri Horman — soon-to-be ex — was an alcoholic who passed out.
When you look back on it, is there anything that you wish you had done differently in terms of her alleged alcoholism or drinking problem?
HORMAN: Well, she kept it hidden. That`s the hard part. As I look back and see different things that seemed odd and out of place. I asked questions, I did press. I wish I would have maybe pressed a little bit harder. But in looking at the grander picture, it was all hidden.
And it was a gradual progression. I don`t think it was one week she was normal and then one week she was this raging alcoholic. I think it was a slow build-up over time. And when you — you see someone, you see your spouse have a drink once a week, you don`t really ask any question. You see them have a drink twice a week, you probably don`t ask any questions.
When you don`t see them drink any more than that, you probably never ask any questions. But what`s happening behind the scenes, at least in this particular case, is we believe that it was just being hidden through various other forms, and because of the way we had our finances set up and some other things set up where we had things managed separately from each other, there was just not a lot of visibility into any information that would raise concern.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: There`s been talk of a riff between with you and Desiree, Kyron`s biological mom. Any thoughts on that?
HORMAN: You know, we`re all going through — this is hard. This is over five months of the worst emotional strain you`re ever going to experience in your life. And we`re going to be emotional about things, and things will be said, things will be done that are going to be tough.
The one thing, though, is we just can`t lose focus on Kyron and bringing him home. And things like this or these types of things may come up here and there, but they — it doesn`t make him come home any faster. It doesn`t make much of a difference, but I think it`s part of the natural progression of the emotional roller coaster that we`re all going to go through.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You were out handing out flyers at a shopping mall recently. Tell us what happened and why you`re reaching out.
HORMAN: Well, we were at the mall passing out flyers to the businesses and actually at a couple of our different stops the people working there actually didn`t know that Kyron was still missing. So we talked to them about the situation and obviously we`re working with them to get flyers up in their stores or at the counter.
It`s a little bit surprising but in a way it was good to hear because it means we have a lot of work to do still. I know he`s out there and I know he can hear us talking and see us when we`re out there reaching out to him. We`re just going to keep doing that until we bring him home.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
22.puzzled says:
November 22, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Puzzled, this is great, thank you so much. I put this together with beejay’s synopsis and IMHO, you guys are spot on.
enumclawrose says:
November 22, 2010 at 8:57 pm
Now I need to re-adjust. Horman truck on the shoulder. Other white truck #2 in the back. There was someone who saw or claimed a white truck on the access road. Why would they do that unless they WANTED to say they were on the access road? This has to be whom ever was parked in back that probably should not have been. What do you think? ~~~~~
@Rosey … you are so right on this. I was confusing myself by thinking the white truck that was seen by witnesses was #2, but it wasn’t, it clearly was the Horman truck. So why did LE want witnesses to think there was a white truck on access road and that maybe it was the Horman truck? And this is the truck Desiree thinks Ky was seen at. Uh-oh. So, is the 2nd white truck, parked in the back, even involved?
I’ve been up and down this fence so many times I’ve got splinters… lol
Midwest Mom says:
November 23, 2010 at 9:16 am
I don’t ever remember my dreams, yet I have had three since kyron been missing. Odd.
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hahahaha … I’m laughing because I don’t have dreams either and I’ve had really strange ones. Even posted one once. Know people thought I was a cuckoo.
@Beejay …
Great synopsis … couple of loose ends. How do we explain seeing person at Horman truck and/or Ky at this truck… remember, it’s in the front of the school. I have a problem believing though, that Ky would go out the school without being told to by a parent or person of authority.
And
while I’ve always entertained the container out the back door into a waiting white truck theory, as one possibility… it was shot down by B when she said Ky didn’t exit the back door.
soooo, would he walk out the front door by himself and around the school to the back?
I’m back to questioning “how” Ky got out the school within minutes of TH leaving.
am caught up with everyone’s comments … I think … don’t want to miss anyone because they’re all important … are we going with suspect 2 & 3 are RS & Associates leaving TH as the motive? or is there still a third elusive person?
Who was DDS’ “Expensive ogre”— a “coyote” paid to “get Ky”? Was he the RS associate? If so, DDS knows him or who he is, at least, to Tweet about him.
In MOO, TMH had a vengeful agenda and she’d crossed RS—Was it a little Mexican drug war right here? We KNOW how THEY get paid–or exact their payment. (For sure, if Ky saw some exchange, he might have told TY, opening suspicion.We also have heard a lot lately about drug cartels/corruption in MX.)But why would LE use RS if he were the one who’d brought his “amigo” to do the dirty deed?
Also thinking: Will part of the “shock” be that another parent was part of this? (Maybe someone who shared TMH’s possible penchant for illegal substances and wanted to “help her” –MOO). Mr. SI Houseboat guy sounds rather footloose. Also MOO: I think the “shock” will be how children were used or trusted adults misused their trust to snatch Ky—not to mention the nasty side cases of lifestyle, endangerment, drugs, and sex that will bubble to the surface like bilge water.
@Jden: Regarding the Pumala’s.
They struck me as a high possiblity to having assisted with taking Kyron right away. Tanner’s stories and interview, grandma, photos of dad, approximity to the Horman household…
My personal radar has always beeped when pointed at this family but because Tanner is a chid I held back from saying so.
Thank you for your list and post and saying so. It reflects my thoughts exactly.
Amy’s Sister says:
November 23, 2010 at 3:22 am
“Also, regarding the note left at the wall of hope. That would be a strange thing to do, make up a note like that and leave it at Kyron’s wall. IF these psychic ladies did this, I have to wonder what they were thinking? Here is LE looking for clues, and a family searching for their little boy and someone leaves a note like that?”
Here is part of the post I was referencing:
posted by Tracygirl http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8938.20
“Rosebud
Location: United States
Registered: July 11, 2010
Posts: 400
October 5, 2:59 pm #6834
The note was not written by a man. LOL. It was written by a psychic on this forum and was witnessed being written and put on the Wall of Hope by another member of this forum. Nuff said.
treasure trove
Location: United States
Registered: July 30, 2010
Posts: 65
October 5, 3:19 pm #6841
I can vouch for Rosebud’s comment as I was at the Wall when the note was written too. The note-writer’s intent was taken out of context and blown out of proportion. I hope the author will clear the air so this subject can once and for all be a thing of the past.
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To whomever wrote this note,it was done in poor taste!! Did you for once consider the Kyrons Parents when you wrote this!! You should be ashamed of yourselves!!
This makes me sick!!!!”
The posts were taken from http://www.psychiccrimefighter.com/.
I was able to search one of the poster’s previous posts and find out who was the other person they were with at the wall of hope. However, now when I go to that website, it’s asking me to log in. I only emailed that woman back and forth once, so I have no idea what in the world she was thinking. But, I don’t think she thought the note would have gotten as much attention as it did. I find it to be one more bizarre distraction. My only reason for posting about it was that they were naming the wrong person on scared monkeys.
10.riverpearl says:
November 23, 2010 at 3:11 am
Okay guys, reading your posts together made me think of (to name a few):
“ALL of these ‘shooters’ STAYED, they EACH WANTED the RECOGNITION.
Beejay says in part …”Because, between all the witnesses there that day, and their photos and videos which LE is making a patchwork of, the perp is/will be known. AND KNEW HE WOULD WHEN HE DID IT.”
Is this PERSON trying to GAIN TMH FAVOR by getting RID of a THORN in HER SIDE ?
He has NO FEAR of prosecution because it is HIS HONOR & PRIVILEGE to have GIVEN HER WHAT SHE WANTED ?
I hope this makes sense, to someone, cause all of a sudden I feel sick.
JMHO
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Riverpearl, I think you hit the nail right smack on the head. TMH was hooked up with likeminded people. TH wanted a “job” done. The sicko who pulled off the job was deeply into TH and was obsessive with trying to please her..a true “nut” case.
#Grace in the Hills said:
The hatred she felt for Kyron, coupled with the disgust and hatred she felt for Kaine, is evidence of motive. If one is capable of paying someone a large sum of money to bump off their husband, how difficult can it be to get rid of a child she perceives to only be in her way?
The more I think about this crime, the more I feel this woman *may* have ice in her veins. I don’t think she was blindsided; KYRON was. Just my opinion only.
To Grace: We are two sad peas in a pod on this. I agree with you and think she spent an inordinate amount of time planning this.
To all of you who have the ability to map out where all the white trucks were situated – my brain doesn’t have that channel, but I’m glad yours does. I keep thinking of things like: where did the idea come from? I googled things like, How to kidnap a child, and came up with an odd Sims game that actually allows you step by step to kidnap a child. My thinking is that the idea may have come from somewhere other than her or her accomplice’s head. Any other thoughts? My other line of thinking is that because there are so few clues, I’m thinking Organized Crime. They would be skilled at disappearing people in a professional manner. I think that is part of the shocking stuff LE has discovered. Organized sex and drugs – not hard to imagine… it’s just the who that baffles me. Rudy- yes- but who exactly are his “associates”? THAT piece is key for me.
To the dear one (so sorry, I scrolled way back but couldn’t find your post- was almost late getting my daughter to school because I was so caught up here -lol)who suggested a get together in Portland, I say YEAH bring it on! I will be coming up from lower left coast around the 17th and would love to get together Sunday the 19th with all you locals. As far as I’m concerned, it’s a date. Apologies in advance if I’m breaking a protocol.
I read a little ways back that Kyron’s glasses were taken? How do we know that? Also Kaine said that Kyron was farsighted, which would mean that he saw things close up better than far away. The PTA woman or a teacher said that Kyron was well aware of “stranger danger” plus he appeared to be a very intelligent little boy. I wonder if he would go willingly with someone he didn’t know very well or under circumstances he wasn’t sure about. Maybe his glasses are off because there was a glare or for some particular reason, TH want his entire face to be seen very clearly. I think there was some sort of important reason to Terri to have his face shown without glasses- also she made a point of showing the photo to the woman in the Meyers store. Somehow I think these particular things are very significant.
@Lea Thanks Lea for the info. Just wanted to add to you and Blink,
I’m not sure if they are the sexts. It could very well be, but impossible for me to know for sure. I didn’t post them because it would just be tasteless & nobody would get anything from it, unless I knew that those were the sexts. The pictures look as though they were taken by phone (low pixel). Nothing graphic, just ‘boobi’ pictures of Terri that were not taken by Terri. If they were the sexts I think they would be taken by herself, not by someone else. JMO
If I knew it was relevant, I would have posted them for sure and let you or Blink decide whether to publish or not.
Thank-you again,
weeds
@Lea Thanks Lea for the info. Just wanted to add to you and Blink, Thank-you for all that you do.
I’m not sure if they are the sexts. It could very well be, but impossible for me to know for sure. I didn’t post them because it would just be tasteless & nobody would get anything from it, unless I knew that those were the sexts. The pictures look as though they were taken by phone (low pixel). Nothing graphic, just ‘boobi’ pictures of Terri that were not taken by Terri. If they were the sexts I think they would be taken by herself, not by someone else. JMO
If I knew it was relevant, I would have posted them for sure and let you or Blink decide whether to publish or not.
Thank-you again,
weeds
@beejay says:
November 23, 2010 at 8:41 am
“Rule #1 for a good criminal: leave no evidence. Corollary: the fewer fingers in the pie, the less likelihood you’ll be caught. Only 2 people planned and executed the crime: RS and his associate (who is long gone; in jail; submerged in his den around town; dead–the best protection of all.)”
Wow, your narrative fits SO much of the detail in, AND makes sense. The only thing really nagging me is that I’m not ‘feeling’ RS for this, but that just means that I can’t see a motive for him yet.
Also, he is/was (summer) ‘out’ (we think)… if he were that closely involved, would he still be ‘out’? I guess if they are still looking for his associate.
hmmm.. well thought out, beejay!
@Kat says:
November 23, 2010 at 11:50 am
“Also thinking: Will part of the “shock” be that another parent was part of this? (Maybe someone who shared TMH’s possible penchant for illegal substances and wanted to “help her” –MOO). Mr. SI Houseboat guy sounds rather footloose. Also MOO: I think the “shock” will be how children were used or trusted adults misused their trust to snatch Ky—not to mention the nasty side cases of lifestyle, endangerment, drugs, and sex that will bubble to the surface like bilge water.”
“footloose”.. yes, or careless with life in general. I haven’t delved much into the psychoanalyzing of the various players, with a couple of exceptions. There are some boys/young men (and probably not a few girls) from that community who are extremely troubled IMO. I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about them, and what sort of bad $hit they could get up to.
Reading your post instantly brought this item to mind, from yesterday’s news.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/7297121.html
After a 3-year-old Boston girl complained that her foot hurt, her preschool teacher took off her sneaker and found 17 small plastic bags containing crack cocaine.
… The teachers told police the girl said her mother had put “candy” inside her sneaker.
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This is a nitpicky detail, I apologize, but the Aug PC with Staton speaking.. this includes a direct quote:
When asked if people would be shocked to find out what they know, Staton took a long silence.
“I know I’m taking a long pause on that, I have to think through that answer. I think there are things that come out of this investigation that will surprise you, that you’ll think about later on when it’s over. We have a knowledge of things we don’t want to know about … of things we wish we didn’t know,” he added.
That statement was so powerful to those of us who are following that I think it’s important to keep it intact. Staton didn’t confirm that the community will be “shocked” (powerful) but we will be surprised (challenge our assumptions?). Law Enforcement now have a “knowledge of things we don’t want to know about.” That is more significant than a housewife who tipples on the side, but not as devastating as a lot of other scenarios I’ve read/thought of. I’m still trying to balance what might be ‘surprising’ to our community, but not ‘shocking’.
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@iodizedseasalt— TH did not take a photo of Ky without glasses. The glasses were photoshopped out of her photo of him in front of his project.
@riverpearl #9
I never considered that scenario, re: who, if anyone, might have picked up little Ky from school occasionally other then his parents? And, who might have done this that would go undetected on June 4? Blink seems to be gently pushing all of us towards someone that would be able to come and go without suspicion – correct me if I’m wrong Ms. B – so, who might that be? I know that B is firm in saying that RS is somehow involved in all of this mayhem, but I still don’t “feel” that he was the abductor….it just doesn’t make sense to me.
I still believe that LE has both the abductor and TH dead to rights on kidnapping and prior planning/involvement. In my mind, this entire crime will be solved once LE can piece together whatever happened on S.I. and then the people responsible will get what they have coming. At least I hope I’m right about this so that Kyron can be returned to his parents, and to all of us that have come to love him dearly. Prayers for Ky, his parents, and for those in LE that are hopefully so close to bringing all of this to a close.