Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Memoir Of A Meltdown Jose Baez Loses It
Orlando, FL- Occurrences yesterday afternoon had me checking my Google Earth maps to double check that the Orange County Courthouse was not next door to NASA doing their ignition checks. The flare ups were numerous and loud.
"I'm Winning.."- Jose Baez (borrowed from Sheenster)
During the motion for exclusion and Frye hearing, Jose Baez, lost it.
Avid readers and contributors here know I am not about the drama. This was actually that baaaaadd.
FRYE'S WIT DAT?
Shy of jumping up and down or retreating to a fetal position with thumb-sucking involvement, Jose Baez, counsel for defendant Casey Anthony, needed a time out, several time outs, and was granted one after his co-counsel's requests, and another, courtesy Chief Judge Belvin Perry.
Because I value your time, and will not subject you to the H O U R S of innocuous banter we witnessed, my highlight reel for your review-
Let's say Jose Baez does not hold any advanced Science degrees. In the interest of disclosure, neither do I.
I do however understand that blaming the State, in this case, Jeff Ashton, for the reason that Mr. Baez missed deadlines requiring him to agree to a stipulation whereby he can no longer subject the "hardware" of Dr. Arpad Vass to the "Frye" test, is a no-n0.
Chief Judge Belvin Perry: ..Mr. Baez.. it sounds like to me, you entered into an agreement that you are trying to rescind.. If you questioned the results then, why did you agree to it?...
Jose Baez: ..It is the easiest thing in the world to hold a contempt charge over a lawyers head, Judge..
Chief Judge Belvin Perry: "...Your co-counsel is trying to speak to you."
Jose Baez: "Judge, can we have a 5 minute recess?"
Chief Judge Belvin Perry: "You may have a 5 minute recess."
This exchange came near the end of what can only be described as a window to the strength of the State's case against Casey Anthony for the murder of her daughter Caylee, and the utter lack of preparation and skill the defense team has by comparison.
Photo Credit Gary Kazanjin
While it is true that much of what we hear in pre-trial motions is not always what will be admitted at trial, which is the very reason for them in the first place, the defense's lack of knowledge of their own case is not a valid reason to deny something into evidence.
It is abundantly clear from this editor's perspective that neither Dorothy Clay Simms nor Jose Baez sufficiently understood the scientific subject matter they are requesting to be rendered inadmissible, or in effect, "junk science".
Devoid of strategy, repetitious and largely irrelevant, with several pending motions still to be heard, the defense ate up two straight days. As a result, all parties are back in court next Friday and possibly Saturday.
By far the most important witness to take the stand yet , Dr. Arpad Vass, research Scientist of "The Body Farm" fame and globally respected, peer-reviewed author of two separate studies on odor analysis in human remains, NAILED IT.
Dr. Vass's work, which is also referenced in some of the defense expert witness's studies , was published in The Journal of Forensic Sciences in 2004 and 2008. His testimony was masterful in bridging the gap between academic jargon and layman "speak."
He has a delightful and disarming diction and jurors are going to adore the way he can make such a macabre subject matter educational and practical.
Without reservation, Dr. Vass's testimony riveted both the courtroom spectators and the online community, however, his words brought strange reactions from the defendant herself, Casey Anthony.
When asked by Jeff Ashton what Vass's response was when he opened the sample containing a swatch of carpet from the trunk liner of the Pontiac Sunfire, he replied,
" At first I jumped back about 2 feet because the odor was so strong, but it was definitely the smell of human decomposition.."
.."What was your reaction to seeing that chromatogram result ?.."
.."I have never seen a peak in chloroform in a sample Ive's shot in over 20 years like that... The sample was 10,000 times the control sample.."
.."Human decomposition is very unique, it is as unique to me as a skunk smell is to everyone else. You don't have to see a skunk in the road to know it was run over.."
There are no leaps to be made here, no exaggeration. Dr. Arpad Vass 's testimony alone is enough for a reasonable person to conclude not only was there a decomposing human in the trunk of Casey's car, but coupled with a hair that has a deathband that can only be from Casey or Caylee, and we both know which one is alive, this case is all but waiting for a foreperson slip with an x in the box.
Looking ahead to trial, Dr. Vass colleagues, forensic entomologist Dr. Neal Haskell, forensic anthropologist Dr. Bill Bass and forensic botanist Dr. David Hall are some of the strongest expert witnesses in their respective concentrations in this country.
As an analogy, if I owned the side of a mountain I would carve them in likeness as my "Forensic Mt. Rushmore."
Dr. Vass was brought into this case by lead investigator Cpl. Det Yuri Melich.
B E S T C A L L E V E R.
For anyone saying- not so fast Blink, Judge Perry still has to rule on the frye issues and admissibility, I say " minor formality". He also asked Jose Baez if he had any other motions pending besides the balance of what was known to be heard Friday April 1st to which he answered no. Not a good idea considering co-counsel Cheney Mason filed a request for a rehearing that morning and asserts Judge Perry was bias in his rulings on earlier admissibility or suppression hearings. Musta slipped Jose's mind.
Do we all realize Judge Perry signed the majority of search warrants BASED ON SOME OF THIS DATA in the first place ?
Do we all realize that Judge Perry presided over the Grand Jury that issued Casey's indictment?
From the defense table, during the hearings, Casey Anthony furiously scrawled notes and flipped through voluminous reports and deposition transcripts.
On Wednesday, during the testimony of Yuri Melich, whereby at one point he was literally 5 feet away from her scribbling on the defense's "demonstrative aids" pad at Baez's request, Casey Anthony never once looked at Melich, or up, from her "make sure and look busy" activities.
Imagine that. Casey Anthony cannot eyeball her accuser, the lead detective in the case of her murdered child and this girl thinks she is going to be acquitted?
She is wrongly accused, this guy had and has it all wrong and she cannot be torn away from her post-it passing to observe his testimony about her dead child in her car? Seriously.
There is no explanation I can fathom where this defense feels it is in Casey Anthony's best interests to go to trial in the instant criminal case against her. None.
That said, it is.
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Great read Blink, thanks for this.
And no, it did not occur to me lately, that the very evidence in these hearings , were what got Casey charged with murder by the Grand Jury, presided by Judge Perry. Good point.
Thank you.
Without a substantive error or other previously unknown reason, why would a judge reverse himself when he already thought something had merit? He would not.
B
Thank you for your wonderful summation of 2 days of FRYE hearings! I watched both days. The prosecution is so well prepared, does not say can I have a moment judge then go to co-counsel for help like Baez did more than once!
All of the experts on the stand were highly intelligent and have years of experience and training!
Baez’s attempted tactics were not working with these people!
I cannot stand Casey walking into the court room without hand cuffs and leg restraints! He is a convicted felon, why is she permitted to pretend to be part of her legal team? Her smiling, laughing, and inappropriate touching of Baez and mumbles should be illegal in Judge Perry’s court room! Casey is so detached from what is going on..no interest. She is a cold blooded psycopath!
Baez did look like as a** !
the prosecution looked like pros all the time! they never lost their cool, Baez did!
Baez must be getting paid by the hour because his questions went on and on for hours!! I felt bad for the air expert yesterday, saying that he was tired, Baez didn’t care!
Asking a dog handler does your dog talk? The 2nd dog handler you accused him of being a lier! Hiding facts about the search, did not video the search of the car.
so because Baez took HOURS the FRYE hearings are postponed until Friday and Saturday, am I right or wrong?
I remember the 2nd dog handler, Baez was asking questions about something he had wrote. He allowed the handler to have the document, and then when the handler was reading from his own document Baez said no you can’t read off of it…why not? it’s his words!
for the 2nd dog handler Baez asked are you a good dog handler? Handler answered yes..Baez said we’ll see about that?
Really rude!
Regarding Caseys demeanor which is discussed on many websites, is the prosecution really so clueless as to not know to advise her how to dress and how to act accordingly during hearings? Cant they tell Cindy no low-cut tight sweaters and blouses from Macys please? As to Cheney Masons new motion, he looks like a mean cuss who doesnt like to lose or be shown up. My question is when he accuses a judge of “bias” is this something the defense would take up with the Florida bar?
artgal, very nice to see you-
I think you mean defense, and absolutely good point.
No, the defense cannot file a bar complaint unless they were under professional obligation to do so because they had knowledge Judge Perry had violated a rule under Florida Supreme Court.
This man, His Honor, is as straight as they come.
B
I honestly can’t watch the hearings,,,a while back I became so disgusted with the duhfense team and their antics it was and still is unbearable. I realize some of these rediculous hearings on motions already heard have to be refined for the sake of BOZO’S ineptness so the process of anything being appealed with regards to these motions will be upheld. I just can’t stomach the bullying, whining, kicking at the sand duhfence when they don’t get their way. HJP should admonish him and take out to the wood shed for the brandishing they all deserve.
In the words of Dr. Vass, “Yes! How cool is that?”
True dat Pooky- I loved it!
B
Thanks Blink!
The last hearing made me feel like it was a role-play exercise where we’re all invited to watch some random dude in the audience stand up and pretend to be a lawyer in a critical hearing. I half expected at the end for him to turn and bow waiting for applause.
Baez is abysmal and his client looks nutty as a fruitcake. Bad, bad combo when the defendant’s life is at stake.
The often repeated quote “this case is different” is an understatement of epic proportion. The train wreck has begun.
Right on! Dr. Vass was awesome and, I would suggest, charismatic with his honest charm. Baez, on the other hand was repulsive I just saw a clip on WFTV’s website where Bill Shaeffer said if he were the prosecution, he would put Dr. Vass on the stand and then rest his case.
Mom of 3
Oh a very good observation, (pp) “if she was cleaning up the grease, why not TOSS the bag of garbage” thusfoe eliminating the grease spill and the AWFUL squirrely smell? Come on now Byazz, the fight is on…..sitting in for net round….Vegas here we come!!!!LOL.
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Excellent article Blink! I certainly hope that Baez’s bumblings, repeated questions and omissions to the court (imo lying) are all building up to his disbarment. He should be trying to plead her out but I think it has gone too far now and besides Baez has to spend as much of the State of Florida’s money he possibly can. It almost seems like a game he is playing. Keep up the great work Blink, I really appreciate your writings! Thank you!
GREAT article! Excellently written!
Now with the mass of material in your data base … I can see a novel.
One that one day may be used in testimony at trial. You pretty much have this ‘crime’ thing wrapped up, and with a natural gift, this experience should not be wasted.
You are too kind, thank you.
B
Blink, thank you for giving this to us in a simple and concise form. Jose Baez seems to have no honor at all. When one makes an agreement with someone, it isn’t very good form to start whining about it. Maybe they don’t have classes in ethics wherever it was he got his law degree.
By a really strange coincidence, just after the court ended yesterday a friend with whom I went to grammar school (And that was sixty some years ago and we are still friends) and whose husband is a retired Knoxville TN homocide detective, called me. When she asked what I did all day and I told her about Dr. Vass, she told me that she was out with her husband some years ago and he got a call to go to the body farm. He met Dr. Vass there for whatever reason it was. My friend said that Dr. Vass is just as charming and good-looking as I thought just by seeing him on TV. She also said the body farm smelled really, really bad. And as many others have said, her husband agrees that once you smell human decomposition, you will never mistake it for any other odor.
Thanks for your comments and thanks for the work you do. I don’t quite understand if you are a member of LE or what but whatever it is, you do it well. LOL
Thank you kindly.
B
Bravo Blink!
Hi, Blink!
Your article is just fantastic – and you absolutely captured how WONDERFUL Dr. Vass was! After so many months of nothing…thees past two days of Frye hearings have me exhausted!!
I thought the first day (with Dr. Lowe and the hair banding and the K-9) was also a disaster for the Duh-fense. Ms. Sims comes across as a scatter-brain ..and actually makes Jose look less incompetent!
I was flabbergasted by Sgt. Brewer (handler of Bones) state that there was “considerable” amount of dirt moved from the first day that Bones was there to the second day. Was that Cindy and George in “evidence tampering” mode …or did LE do some more excavating? Do you know?
I thought that Jose’s melt-down at the end of the second day was one of the most scary things I have ever seen. I honestly think that if Mason had been there that he would have put a stop to it. FInnell certainly tried to keep the ship of state from overturning …but it was still a pathetic performance.
But I think that there is such bad blood between Ashton and Jose that I don’t think that a plea deal is even a possibility. Do you agree?
One last question: do you think that the jury will be taken to see the deathmobile?? As I recall, the jury for both Scott Peterson and Thomas Capano cases felt that the jury seeing first hand boat (in Peterson case) and the cooler (in the Capano case) really “sank” the fates of both those sociopaths. Just curious to see what your thoughts were.
As always – thanks for all your insight!
The “bad blood” between Ashton and Baez is one-sided. Jeff Ashton is a career long prosecutor, with an outstanding professional reputation and I can tell you is not a fan of having to deal with Baez’s incompetence.
That is another side of this that is unfair.
Yes, imo, the jury will probably go to the Anthony home, visit the car, and Suburban.
B
Dr Vass was awesome. He is an expert in his field, and rightly so. I think he just put the nail in Kc’s casket.
Judge Perry is doing a great job, unlike Judge Ito in the OJ case.
Kc should just admit she killed Caylee, do her time, fry, and let the tax payors of Florida off the hook.
Bozo should check out jobs at McDonalds. Would you like fries with your order??
And as far as I’m concerned, Sindy should also do some time for all her lies and running interferance with LE.
Just my opinion.
Yeah, that was something, wasn’t it? Man, is the jury gonna hate Jose! I can’t wait!!
There’s no way these issues being heard on Frye won’t make it in. Dr. Vass was so wonderful, very well-spoken and clear in his assertions. “Best Call Ever” is right! Can’t wait to see more of him.
I didn’t know that Judge Perry presided on the Grand Jury for Casey’s indictment. What fun! Goes to “be careful what you wish for”!
As far as the Defense filing motions to be reheard, BFD. That’s what lawyers do. They’ll file and refile and refile until the cows come home. It means nothing. The Judge isn’t gonna change his ruling. It doesn’t go to some other Judge, it goes back to Judge Perry.
Casey deserves Jose. She’s the star of the Casey Show, he’s the star of the Jose Show. How either of these two is going to get through the trial I don’t know, but I’ll be watching!
This case needs to be resolved sooner than later.
I believe Anthony might have reason to appeal, due to
inept counsel. And she’ll spend her life in jail
appealing her death penalty conviction.
Will we ever get justice for Caylee Marie?
I think Casey will appeal her verdict regardless, but as you can see, if she really wants to play the “bum lawyer” card, she should not be so furiously assisting her own defense.
B
Great Job!! I watched part of the hearing and I was truly embarassed for Baez. I think they should pack a cute little Winnie the Pooh bag for Casey and include some crayons and a coloring book. They’d be better put to use than a pad and paper.
TY
B
And . . . new motion by defence DENIED.
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27325185/detail.html?utm_source=manual&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=casey+updates
Thanks, Blink! Your confidence, along with Val’s and a few others who I respect so much, is contagious and it cheers me no end. Especially after yesterday, I’m STILL craving a drink! Or ten.
Thank you kindly Bees Knees.
As confident as one can be in a criminal trial, I am just that.
Science does not lie, it is what I will call “The neutral trier of fact”.
Yes, Blink has yet another man-crush, respects to Mrs. Vass and Mr. Blink of course, lol.
Fascinating dedication to his work, just fascinating.
B
Great post Blink. Dr. Vass was spectacular yesterday. I was kept waiting for Baez to throw himself to the floor in a tantrum and pound the floor with his hands & feet crying “it’s not fair, everyone else is smarter than me. It’s not my fault my client is a pathological liar.”
Dr. Vass will be loved by a jury and Baez might want to tone down his antics come trial.
More bad news for the defense team today as Judge Perry ruled against them in a motion for a rehearing on Casey’s statement to OCSO and The Agents of The State motion.
Thank you Queen and cool “hat”.
B
You nailed it again Blink. This may not have been the trial itself, but it certainly lent us a peek into what we can expect. Baez’s frustration, inability to articulate questions into the basic English language, disrespecting the court and witnesses (I couldn ‘t believe he had the audacity to say to Dr. Vass, IIRC, ‘I’m not finished with my question. The patience these witnesses shown, not just with the disorganized manner of questioning, but how Baez addressed them like they were his subjects). He was a babbling freak show. That’s it. He achieved nada.
Now I’m merely paraphrasing Blink’s hard work. I’m just gonna chew on the fact that Baez ‘CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH’, or his defendant. Please, someone, get her a trial coach and have Baez rewrite the bar exam.
Thank you for articulating so well what we were all thinking, Blink. It is terribly therapeutic to feel validated by someone who knows her schtuff.
One of my fave things Dr. Vass said, was when he was asked about roadkill and he said he does not get very far down the road when he is by himself.
Jeff Ashton said it better than I, “fascinating hobby”.
B
great article Blink! keep up the fight!
Blink
what a great article! great job!
you outdid yourself my friend.
I can only say you hit the nail on the cabesa (head)
Blink! I too don’t know how they can think they are going to trial and have Casey walk out in mason’s arms. It’s utterly unbelievable the number of times that!! baez has lied to the judge.Come on !! He knew that they had filed a motion and said no we don’t have any motions pending!! we are so close to trial date! and still I see no fear no emotion in those cold dark eyes none Nada!! and most of all they are no where near ready!!
Someone please tell me how its recognized as professional courtesy to hand someone a disk with so much data( to the state) at the last minute and expect them to quickly read it! baez comment was to the effect not verbatim!! that he thought ashton was a speed reader!! anyways professional courtesy to leave it on ashtons chair?????
momof3 help! explain to me?? Please.whats your take!!
I especially was like huh!
when Casey walks into court~ baez hands her the legal briefs to organize!
I do realize they have to keep her busy!!
yeah yeah the !!idle hands are the devils workshop!!
but really that looks really bad!!! geez gag me with a wooden spoon!! she shows no emotions when they are talking about caylee and decomp! but when Dr. vass was describing the 300 decomposed bodies in a crematorium she made those evil eyes bulge wide like golf balls!Hello!! anybody in there!! I am like what the heck!! and more of course you know me! no but really !!someone suggested a designer needle with la vitta bella engraved on it!! great idea!!
thanks blink!!
Rant over!!
to the state! in charlie sheen’s own words !!!Winning!!!
Blink, thank you again for who you are and what you are.
Hope you are feeling better.
momster is searching for all the little words that may be inaccurate which when piled together, won’t amount to the pile of poo some animal donated to the Anthony carpet.
Thank you friend
B
Blink where do you think Baez got the questions for the 2 days of Frye?
Back of matchpack after following around cash cab losers in NYC
B
Because the 2nd dog handler was not falling for Baez’s leading questions-Baez said to Judge Perry he is an adverse witness. Then the prosecution said you mean hostile witness? She said the expert was answering his questions and was not hostile. Judge Perry agreed.
Just learned that Judge Perry denied MUMBLES MOTION! Anxious to see if there are any charges in Judge Perry’s court room next Friday?!
I think Judge Perry is going out of his way to assist Baez who should be be the lead counsel or even co-counsel for this case. There are times when he stops Baez before he commits a legal error. I say let him commit the error, why not he is defending a baby killer, a convicted felon who is a psychopath!!
This is priceless!
Your prediction has come true. A third year defense attorney finds himself so deep in the hole that he doesn’t even know what is going on in the case.
Casey may be actually smarter than Baez. Of course she has more time to think about things since she isn’t out on the street creating more problems for others.
It doesn’t matter how smart Casey or Baez think themselves to be, truth will come out and I will predict that when the trial concludes, Casey will be on death row.
Science doesn’t have to be complicated in general terms. These guys seem to have made a decision to be teachers to a jury as well as experts. We need a lot more of this dialoge in cases like this one.
I knew you guys were working on something, because there was little new activity. A great job as ususal.
Thank you kind sir-
You bring a very solid perspective I have always felt, and most do not agree.
Casey Anthony is V E R Y smart. Not as smart as she is cunning, but I never felt most gave her credit when it came to her capacity for manipulation and pathological lies.
Caylee quite frankly, was proof of truths that would be Casey’s undoing with her little set up.
What did she think, Caylee was never going to say ” What nanny?”
In a catastrophic moment, it all came down at once for Casey, and Caylee paid for it with her life.
No amount of smarts or manipulation is going to change this ending for Casey.
B
Nice one, Blink! Jose and his clueless posse truly showed their (as my mother would say,) Royal American A@@es. I absolutely am appalled that any law school would give a degree to the likes of Baez. Ann Finnell is the only one that appears to be cognizant of the rules of decorum in the courtroom. This is a train wreck, a fascinating one, to be sure, but a train wreck nevertheless.
I have never seen such professional suicide in my life.
B
Thanks Blink
I check your site everyday in the hope that there will be a new Blink Bulletin….thank you for this one
What floors me is that when one strolls down memory lane we have Baez spouting about his clients innocence. We have his infamous statement that all will be revealed in the future and we will all say, “Now I understand why she did this or that”. I am paraphrasing of course but I know you all get the point. Hey GA. What happened to those kodnappers you were watching. How’d that work out for you? Did you find them on the RIVER? Sorry Blink, that was naughty, I know. KC is so mad at Cindy because it is her fault tha KC is there. If she just hadn’t asked “who took her” KC never would have had to make up the Zanny story. Jose, have you checked to see where Zanny is or did she just slip away.
Sorry, I am venting. The proceedings yesterday were painful to watch. It is only going to get worse. Regarding Barz using this case to become DP qualified: is that automatic or can it be denied based on his pathetic performance.
Dr Vass was wonderful and the way Jose badgered him was awful. Also cold not believe that the original wicked witch of the east, Cindy, complained about head nodding from Mr. Ashton whe all she and Georgette do is grimace and shake their heads at everything.
On another note I want GA and CA charged with evidence tampering, obstruction, perjury and stupidity.
Thank you Blink for letting me vent.
Thank you NJ sleuth.
This display was like “Springer Court.” No getting around that, complete with the hot mike from the Fox 35 reporter whose racial slurs were heard by thousands- wow.
I truly believe what you are seeing, and also with the extended Anthony family, is absorption of the fact that this case is the Titanic and there are nothing more than icebergs full steam ahead.
Cindy can point and tattle until she is blue in the face, and I promise you, she will never be bluer than what her granddaughter was at the hands of her daughter Casey.
These people are missing a “shame” chip somewhere in the circuitry.
B
Yeah I new article from Blink!
Thank you for this article Blink. GREAT Job. I totally agree with everything!!!!
Best Call Ever! Yep
I swear if I had a teacher as enthusiastic and clear spoken as Dr. Vass in school, I probably not only would have understood the material better but I might have become a scientist.
Dr. V is so genuine and sincere that I can’t imagine even one juror not wanting to listen to him speak. His endearing accent just made it more believable and less stuffy or academic or gory. His portrayal of his work did not come off as information one felt they had to tune out- it was not offputting but instead enthralling. IMO I wanted to hear more.
I loved when he answered Baez’s question regarding the trash as (pp) DV-IT WAS PART OF THE SCENE not just some random debris… JB: so the trash should be excluded in one case but not another? DV-I don’t even know how to answer that I really don’t even know how to answer that……..
For Petes sake did the trash contaminate the scene and should it have been removed to trap the gases… or is the trash the answer to why the gases were there in the first place?- The trunk smelled because of the trash or …the gases came from another source right? Baez you are a total idiot “plus or minus” You simply can’t have it both ways!
I also liked Dr. Vass’s answer to (pp)who could do this testing? answer: Anyone who had access to a GCMS (hope this is correct) machine could duplicate the methodologies and procedures ect…
I agree that with Dr. Vass’ testimony there is no doubt there was a decomposing body in that trunk and obviously it was little Caylee. Even without bringing in any of his GCMS testing ect I believe his testimony is believable and powerful.
I do not understand how the Defense and Casey Anthony can think they have any defense for the amount of evidence the prosecution seems to have pointing to little Caylee’s lifeless body rotting in that trunk, coupled with the chloroform searches, ect it seems totally indefensible IMO
After all the lies how can Casey Anthony hope to plead for mercy once she is at the end of the hallway this time? How does a defendant staunchly scream innocence, or ignorance or kidnapping, then when all bogus excuses are exhausted and proven false -only then claim accident or improper burial/due to ugly-coping, SOM or God Knows what..and hope to find a compassionate juror willing to hear her latest “story” and have this juror opt for leniency? IDK
Blink, I am very glad that you think this evidence from Dr. Vass will come in- the chloroform peaks- the smell, the apidocere testimony- Wow the picture it paints is not one that The Defense can fight- I guess that is why they are trying so hard to get it ALL thrown out. Surely the picture this evidence paints is not one that Casey Anthony can look at and face.
All JMO again wonderful article Blinky
MY FAVE FAVE:
I don’t even know how to answer that I really don’t even know how to answer that……..
Imo, the alternative was for him to demonstrate how imbicillic the question was in the first place.
The thing is, it ALL HAS TO COME IN… In other words, the stipulation already provides for the equipment, period.
How can the analysis of same be ommitted? Imo, that would look the defense was hiding something in the first place, and Dr. Vass is solid enough that even if it were, we all saw his confidence there was a decomposition event in the trunk.
I apologize for the profanity, but an investigator, a mentor to me, said something to me I live by..
I said it the other evening in my radio interview.. He Said, Blink, you CANNOT un**** a case.
You have to deal with it as is and make the most of it. In Casey’s case, imo, that would have resulted in a plea bargain, and her seeing the light of day again, like it or not.
Now, this case for the defense, cannot be un******.
Thanks for the kind words Mom 3.0, and your continued advocacy.
B
The defense always does things at the last moment on purpose!
The older lady talked about new evidence for mind set to be used in the guilt phase and the penalty phase. The older lady said mind set not diminished capacity.
The defense was told they would receive the information today, Friday, the 25th.
I recall Ashton saying that the prosecution would have someone examine her.
I was just researching psycopath-and that is Casey. I was surprised that when a psycopath lies and is caught in the lie immediately makes up another lie and that the lies don’t make sense.
I did read about mind set and psycopath.
Is there where the defense is going OR is psycopath a deminished capacity?
Do you know Blink?
Casey is not a psycopath. Her behavior to me, in my non-professional opinion, is that of a sociopath, and narcissist, maybe.
I want to stay away from such classifications as I strongly believe that one needs to be qualified to make them, be held to them, etc.
B
Blink thanks for answering my question and yes, I did mean the defense rather than the prosecution. Now I read that new motion denied and wftv’s analyst Bill Sheaffer is saying that the defense can now ask the judge to recuse himself and if he says no they can go to a higher court to complain about Judge Perry and ask for him to be removed and this could delay the trial! Is such a thing really possible???
They absolutely can, and they are absolutely nuts if they do.
This Judge, recently re-elected and the Chief Judge, will not recuse himself because he has no reason to.
Let them reserve the issue for appeal if necessary, but filing a motion for recusal in what would absolutely be bad faith will not delay the trial.
B
Bringing this over at Blinks request:
Great posts everyone!
What do you all think about Mason’s new motion accusing Chief Judge Perry of bias and misstating the facts.
Mason and team want HJP to have anew hearing to rethink his decisions to allow the jury to hear all of Casey’s statements to LE and her family after she was placed in cuffs ect. Basically they want a total do-over on JP rulings regarding Agents of the State and the Miranda/custody issue issues.
The link to read the motion is here:
http://www.wftv.com/news/27318489/detail.html
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Yesterday’s hearing-
Boy oh boy was the afternoon session full of hot-air or what?… And I am NOT talking about Dr. Vass’s testimony.
Geez- Ms Simms accused a photographer of focusing on her lap top…(For petes sake turn it in the other direction, close it partially..get a screen protector or Move to the side tables (like HJP advised) …. also Mr. Ashton-was a little outof sorts yesterday too- he and Baez got a 5 min timeout from HJP… Mr. Baez practically accused Ashton of tricking him…at the very same time JP was questioning JB of possible wanting to “ambush” the prosecution by rescinding on an agreement not to attack the machines that Dr. Vass utilizes, instead only the findings…
So many things going on yesterday that I think were unbelievable…
Im sorry but WTH was Baez saying about meat and “weed”? Is a reasonable person supposed to believe that little Casey smoked a Cheech and Chong sized puppy joint & had a severe attack of the munchies so bad, that she ate a ten pound hamburger, then demurely wiped her hands and mouth on only paper towels and placed them in the trash bag…and threw it in her trunk only after flies and maggots had infested the garbage? ( had to be in the bag first, under their theory that the garbage is the answer for the smell, the adipocere, the maggots, the flies, the stain ect…it can all be traced back to Casey’s drug induced binge on meat pizza, hamburgers, salami, velvetta cheese ect…..)
What? Is a reasonable person supposed to believe that these paper towels were so drenched with grease that they saturated the trunk carpet, but did not leave any residue on any other trashbag item?
Given the FACT that there was no pizza in the box- no meat, no sausage, no cheese, no NOTHING for the maggots to feed on in the bag EXCEPT for the grimy paper-towels… if the papertowel “grease” was the source of the smell and the fly infestation… why wasn’t the “grease” devoured early on?
If Casey Anthony wiped up the other “grease” that was in the trunk that had seeped out of the trash -why then wouldn’t she of at the same time have thrown away the trash bag?- hence ridding herself of the source altogether? If the trash “grease” was the source of the smell, why then would she make up stories of dead squirrels( which Dr. Vass said smell very little decomposing) waay before she ever went on her pot induced greasy food binge that ended up as remnants of trash in her trunk??
If I understood Dr. Vass’s testimony correctly, his findings should be allowed into trial. Air, has been tested for a long while. Think breathe- Breathalyzers are “sniffer” machines that isolate compounds or chemicals found/absent in breath. Scientists for a long while have been collecting “trapping” and separating compounds/chemicals to determine what chemical is present or absent…. Other scientists have been isolating and trapping gases for years. *AIR IS A GAS*- (when not frozen or liquefied of course)Other scientists have said that certain compounds/gases ect present at different times during the decompositional process.
As Dr. Vass testified, different peaks/compounds can be found at different stages…it is not one individual finding that is CONSISTENT with decomposition, it is a number of them occurring together. Is it so novel or new to think that a scientist could trap/and isolate different chemicals/compounds in gases for testing & see what compounds are present or absent? Air is a gas, right?
As to absence of Fluoride, little Caylee was two – she shouldn’t have been using fluoride toothpaste, nor would her body have stored up much fluoride…
I found Vass’s testimony very feasible. I also understood that Dr. Vass in twenty years had NEVER encountered peak levels of chloroform- and certainly never 10000 x the rate of the control sample.
It is my understanding that Dr. Vass is not stating that he can conclusively say a human decompositional event took place in the trunk of Casey Anthony’s trunk- The machines can not either. What he did say is that certain chemicals or gases or compounds were isolated and trapped in the air emanating from the carpet of her trunk- 30 of them CONSISTANT with those found during human decomposition. 7 of them were in found in greater levels than trace amounts and could not be overlooked due to other factors such as being part of the make up of gasoline like the benzenes(sp?)…
All JMO- sorry for the length- I was just bursting to get this all out of my head- I really Hope the evidence makes it in- on cross during trial the defense can certainly attack the findings and the validity of the “science” I would hate to think this information is lost to the jury…BTW what in world could be the answer to why chloroform levels peaked so high?
Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who represent the “monsters” in our society. They are unstoppable and untreatable predators whose violence is planned, purposeful and emotionless. The defense said at the end of day Thursday that they have new witnesses for both the guilt and penalty phase. The older lady said not to diminished capacity but to state of mind. Of course she was supposed to give it to Ashton today, and Judge Perry has not approved this yet. Also Ashton said that the state will have her examined. So my question is psycopath mind set? Is psycopath not diminished capacity?
What do you think Blink? Do you feel that once again the defense is trying to slide in some new evidence? It’s as if the Judge sets deadlines and rules but the defense has their own set of rules!
Thanks for posting about Judge Perry’s ruling on Masons motion.
artgal16 -thank you for asking that question and thanks for responding Blink…my goodness Do you think Mason is THAT crazy to ask for Judge Perry’s recusal?
If JP does rehear these motions what are the chances he would rule any differently? Despite what Mr. Mason claims IMO those are not the facts…I believe HJP made the rulings based on the actual facts- So I am not sure what all this means…
This seems to be getting uglier and uglier.
Loved the new article! I wonder how surprised Dr Vass would be to know he now has a vast fan club of women?
I really can’t stand the sound of Jose Baez voice. But, the great pleasure I have in watching HJBP holding back his laughter at times up on that bench is priceless. I wish I had an ounce of that restraint that he has. This trial is turning into a legal teaching aide before our eyes. I agree it is unfair to the Prosecution and anyone else with a bit of sense, to have to endure the incompetence coming from the DT.
Is it common for Judge’s to ‘carry’ an attorney throughout the trial? He needs complete orientation to the entire process.
I am overly intrigued about the latest witness the DT wishes to add to their witness list. The non-mental defense specialist? There has been someone visiting her recently iirc properly, who had been thought to be of possible relevance to this area. What do they have up their sleeve and will HJBP allow it in? Can’t wait. Any ideas brewing Blink?
It is for the mitigation phase, which imo they are going to need.
Eloise I completely agree that part of the way I get through watching this sometimes, is Judge Perry’s facial expressions and demeanor. He is a jurist of integrity, and I could listen to him all day.
B
Sister B…
VASS FOR THE WIN! *belly bump*
Awesome summary of the awesomeness that was the state’s case and the ??? that was the defense’s case.
Sister V…
*belly bump* back atcha.
I am remiss however, in forgetting to including your “assist” for Dr. Vass piece, my apologies:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/03/25/caylee-anthony-case-an-assist-for-dr-vass/
VASS for the win, indeed, well said.
B
Excellent comments my friends. What a gift to see the same experience through another’s observations. If only we could bring in a gong when Baez is over ruled. Truly, that has got to be a record of some sort.
If it’s one thing I love, spontaneous one liners and this session has a few. I think a great sense of humour is warranted when dealing with the blonde by proxy club.
Is it just me or does it seem we could be getting closer to how Caylee perished? This missing tooth thing has me thinking there was a lack of self control followed by a smack hard enough to knock a tooth out. No doubt Casey was in a state of some kind, leaving as she did. What parent hasn’t experienced some form of rage? The difference is knowing you cannot react to it. I believe it was murder which is why Casey couldn’t admit to there being an accident because it was flat out murder. The nanny story meant she didn’t have to reveal exactly how Casey died because she’s just missing.
I’m jumping on the JP and Dr. Vass wagon too. Move over ladies!!! XO!
Caylee did not lose any teeth via injury or trauma, as that would have been noted at autopsy.
I do believe your sensing an attempt from Cindy to explain the potential hits on the backyard, and I concur that is her intention.
B
PS…no offense Blink or my other blonde friends. Baez does nothing for the senseless stigma.
Mom3.0
You are really something on this case. I suppose you were there and that makes a difference.
Yes, of course, air is a gas. In fact it is a multitude of various gases such as nitrogen, oxygen, and other trace gases including some of the dreadful C0/2 (carbon dioxide).
loved your post.
Looks like the almost defense is in the process of throwing everything they can think of up on the wall to see if the judge will allow any of it to stick. Desperate measures at this point.
When finell spoke of diminished capacity! casey shook her head as in no I am not diminished! did anyone see that?
I have to say I loved the proceedings yesterday. I was waiting for bozo to throw all his papers up in the air and scream DO OVER when he was questioning Dr. Vass.
I was actually laughing out loud at some of the answers Dr. Vass gave to those stupid uninformed questions. Bozo blew a real chance at getting that taken out of the trial by his foolish attempted character assassinations of Vass and his rambling. There was another much better direction he could have gone, but I won’t discuss it here because I am convinced his staff reads here.
This article is awesome – such an accurate description of the court.
I have been thinking about this for a long time, Turbo.
I have decided I am so emotionally invested in this case, that I have broken my own rule.
There is no explanation for inadequacy originating from someone’s bloated ego, and I needed to remind myself there is no puritanical reason. Honestly, it is no different than a stripper on a pole.
They were never equipped for the task, they were focused on the kitty, or the “end stash”, whatever that was to “them”.
They make money, they are good at it, people will pay them for providing a service.
That said, to my knowledge it does not come with a sworn ethical obligation or someone’s life hanging in the balance.
I continue to be curious about my reaction of surprise.
How could I possibly think this would get more , I dunno, structured and professional?
It is because our constitution provides for both parties, specifically, Caylee Marie, who never did anything wrong to anyone, ever, and she was a baby.
This cherub. People are willing to take a stand for her, where her own family has not.
I am sure we do not yet know the extent of what that means, but I know she is with us.
B
momof3
great posts I always enjoy reading your comments.
my friend I had a mouthful of cornflakes that went all over my keyboard and I though I would choke and need the himick done on me
here alone lmao
great most and great comments
momof3
the cheenchong remark is what I forgot to add
Thank you for the clarification Blink. Perhaps it’s not about how Caylee died but rather, how her mother will not get away with her death. I’m not sure I really want to know when it comes to the end of the day.
Blink said
On Wednesday, during the testimony of Yuri Melich, whereby at one point he was literally 5 feet away from her scribbling on the defense’s “demonstrative aids” pad at Baez’s request, Casey Anthony never once looked at Melich, or up, from her “make sure and look busy” activities.
Imagine that. Casey Anthony cannot eyeball her accuser, the lead detective in the case of her murdered child and this girl thinks she is going to be acquitted?
She is wrongly accused, this guy had and has it all wrong and she cannot be torn away from her post-it passing to observe his testimony about her dead child in her car? Seriously.
**** Youre right, seriously ?? Only a guilty person would do this imo. Ty for the article Blink – I miss the days when you posted regular articles for us on this case
elmosmommy- nice to see you. I know that I wish I could dedicate all my time to Miss Caylee, but we have unfortunately, more that need our help than we can keep up with.
That said, this little girl changed my lifepath, and I will never leave her, until, I guess, it is time.
On a personal note, I love your name. Because Blink Jr does not read here unsupervised, I will tell you something he would be pizzed I told anyone outside of our family.
After his “itsy bitsy” days, he graduated to our favorite lullaby-I don’t want to live on the moon, the duet with Elmo and Sean Colvin.
I set his Ipod alarm clock to play it this Winter, and he was annoyed (tween boy, my bad), so I have retired it and sing it to myself.
My children, btgoG, are happy and functioning kids, as they are supposed to be, and if I hear those memory-specific songs, I would give anything to have another 5 minutes to sing them to sleep again.
I am thankful for the possibility to do that (albeit silently) and wish that was available for all the children in the cases we cover.
B
Hi Blink I tried to post this before with a # of links, it isn’t showing so I edited it and I am trying again…Please disregard other earlier attempts if you locate them, if possible- Thank you kindly.
(This time I’ll add the links separately.)
I am amazed by everyone’s well thought out posts- I have enjoyed reading every ones thoughts/opinions, thanks for sharing.
Blink, no need for thanks, although I appreciate it. I am just so happy that you let me continue to hang out here with you and all your awesome contributors. Ps love the quote:
“you CANNOT un**** a case. ”
USTWIN57- thanks so much for your kind comments- Loved your vegas reference…
NJsleuth you wrote in part:
-What floors me is that when one strolls down memory lane we have Baez spouting about his clients innocence. We have his infamous statement that all will be revealed in the future and we will all say, “Now I understand why she did this or that”.-
Your post got me thinking…I too remember that whole “she has a very compelling reason” speech & it always bothered me…
Well after watching yesterday’s hearing, and Baez’s whole: Can I approach antics regarding his new witnesses being allowed..and Ms Finel stepping forward and saying it goes to “State of Mind”…not diminished capacity… & it will be for the guilt phase and the mitigation phase …& then Mr Ashton stating well it depends on when they knew this information and how long they have known it…and Mr. Ashton’s whole if this is what we think it is, then it would fall under section 19 (Above paraphrased)
Well,I have been pondering what it could all mean… Could the answer be they are going to go with a Post Traumatic Stress disorder excuse/defense? Somewhere I believe on WS, a poster brought up the possibility that one of the doctors specializes in PTSD. IDk but-
Could it be that this “defense” was always to be Caseys long held Ace, to only be used IN Case Of Emergency, after all other excuses, I mean scenarios were proven false?
Blink, I agree with you and always have, regarding Casey’s intelligence and lack of conscience ect….
Therefore, I wouldn’t put it past Casey to incorporate further lies/excuses, symptoms/ploys ect into her despicable plot to rid herself of Caylee and get away with it unscathed, possibly dating back as early as her first lie regarding Zanny and her nonexistent job, or when she looked up neckbreaking and chloroform, or possibly only after Caylee laid dead.
Please know that I am not trying to make light of those that do suffer from this disorder, or that have suffered from abuse & trauma, but IMO the last person I would ever believe, is Casey Anthony.
If PTSD is what was behind the “State of Mind” not diminished capacity, new witnesses info… I sincerely hope the State is ready to shred it- Because IMO Casey would only conveniently “fit” into a PTSD diagnosis, as a last ditch attempt at freeing herself from the
“hallway” once and for all- only after her previous lies didn’t pan out. I mean its been YEARS and she and her Defense team have floated every other possible defense and failed, that is except for telling the truth and asking the court for mercy..whats one more?
AJMO of course
Lol, lol, no I am thankful y’all let me hang out here
I know, that quote is largely less funny than the way it was delivered to me, and someday maybe we will discuss origin, but isn’t that the flat out truth?
Point of fact: Casey Anthony’s oppty to present a mental defect defense has come and gone, this is not only not a tactical option, it is not a legal offering or possibility at this point. The only way such “scenarios”, real or contrived come into play are in the penalty phase now.
We are over the De facto hump, from a prosecutorial standpoint, if you will.
B
Blink and all- Sorry my links wont post -just google post traumatic stress disorder- you’ll get the picture…
Texas Grandfather thank you for breaking down the components of Air…Gee- I wonder how we know those chemicals are what make up air? Seems someone…a scientist perhaps isolated and measured it somehow…HMMM who would have thunk it?
BTW TGF – I really enjoy your insights- You are correct I have been there- I was once a young mother, much like Casey Anthony, but so vastly different I can not begin to count the ways.
Chica hey I dont have any clue- sorry… but I did see Casey shake her head vigorously when diminished capacity was mentioned. Guess that was her way of telling JP what was what… Thanks for laughing Chica- sometimes my attempts at humor fall way of the mark- So glad you got the Cheech and Chong reference… Casey Anthony never seems to run out of BS…or DS as the case may be, so whose to say that she isnt smoking some of it- just like C&C did… He He
AJMO