Caylee/Casey Anthony Case: Memoir Of A Meltdown Jose Baez Loses It
Orlando, FL- Occurrences yesterday afternoon had me checking my Google Earth maps to double check that the Orange County Courthouse was not next door to NASA doing their ignition checks. The flare ups were numerous and loud.
"I'm Winning.."- Jose Baez (borrowed from Sheenster)
During the motion for exclusion and Frye hearing, Jose Baez, lost it.
Avid readers and contributors here know I am not about the drama. This was actually that baaaaadd.
FRYE'S WIT DAT?
Shy of jumping up and down or retreating to a fetal position with thumb-sucking involvement, Jose Baez, counsel for defendant Casey Anthony, needed a time out, several time outs, and was granted one after his co-counsel's requests, and another, courtesy Chief Judge Belvin Perry.
Because I value your time, and will not subject you to the H O U R S of innocuous banter we witnessed, my highlight reel for your review-
Let's say Jose Baez does not hold any advanced Science degrees. In the interest of disclosure, neither do I.
I do however understand that blaming the State, in this case, Jeff Ashton, for the reason that Mr. Baez missed deadlines requiring him to agree to a stipulation whereby he can no longer subject the "hardware" of Dr. Arpad Vass to the "Frye" test, is a no-n0.
Chief Judge Belvin Perry: ..Mr. Baez.. it sounds like to me, you entered into an agreement that you are trying to rescind.. If you questioned the results then, why did you agree to it?...
Jose Baez: ..It is the easiest thing in the world to hold a contempt charge over a lawyers head, Judge..
Chief Judge Belvin Perry: "...Your co-counsel is trying to speak to you."
Jose Baez: "Judge, can we have a 5 minute recess?"
Chief Judge Belvin Perry: "You may have a 5 minute recess."
This exchange came near the end of what can only be described as a window to the strength of the State's case against Casey Anthony for the murder of her daughter Caylee, and the utter lack of preparation and skill the defense team has by comparison.
Photo Credit Gary Kazanjin
While it is true that much of what we hear in pre-trial motions is not always what will be admitted at trial, which is the very reason for them in the first place, the defense's lack of knowledge of their own case is not a valid reason to deny something into evidence.
It is abundantly clear from this editor's perspective that neither Dorothy Clay Simms nor Jose Baez sufficiently understood the scientific subject matter they are requesting to be rendered inadmissible, or in effect, "junk science".
Devoid of strategy, repetitious and largely irrelevant, with several pending motions still to be heard, the defense ate up two straight days. As a result, all parties are back in court next Friday and possibly Saturday.
By far the most important witness to take the stand yet , Dr. Arpad Vass, research Scientist of "The Body Farm" fame and globally respected, peer-reviewed author of two separate studies on odor analysis in human remains, NAILED IT.
Dr. Vass's work, which is also referenced in some of the defense expert witness's studies , was published in The Journal of Forensic Sciences in 2004 and 2008. His testimony was masterful in bridging the gap between academic jargon and layman "speak."
He has a delightful and disarming diction and jurors are going to adore the way he can make such a macabre subject matter educational and practical.
Without reservation, Dr. Vass's testimony riveted both the courtroom spectators and the online community, however, his words brought strange reactions from the defendant herself, Casey Anthony.
When asked by Jeff Ashton what Vass's response was when he opened the sample containing a swatch of carpet from the trunk liner of the Pontiac Sunfire, he replied,
" At first I jumped back about 2 feet because the odor was so strong, but it was definitely the smell of human decomposition.."
.."What was your reaction to seeing that chromatogram result ?.."
.."I have never seen a peak in chloroform in a sample Ive's shot in over 20 years like that... The sample was 10,000 times the control sample.."
.."Human decomposition is very unique, it is as unique to me as a skunk smell is to everyone else. You don't have to see a skunk in the road to know it was run over.."
There are no leaps to be made here, no exaggeration. Dr. Arpad Vass 's testimony alone is enough for a reasonable person to conclude not only was there a decomposing human in the trunk of Casey's car, but coupled with a hair that has a deathband that can only be from Casey or Caylee, and we both know which one is alive, this case is all but waiting for a foreperson slip with an x in the box.
Looking ahead to trial, Dr. Vass colleagues, forensic entomologist Dr. Neal Haskell, forensic anthropologist Dr. Bill Bass and forensic botanist Dr. David Hall are some of the strongest expert witnesses in their respective concentrations in this country.
As an analogy, if I owned the side of a mountain I would carve them in likeness as my "Forensic Mt. Rushmore."
Dr. Vass was brought into this case by lead investigator Cpl. Det Yuri Melich.
B E S T C A L L E V E R.
For anyone saying- not so fast Blink, Judge Perry still has to rule on the frye issues and admissibility, I say " minor formality". He also asked Jose Baez if he had any other motions pending besides the balance of what was known to be heard Friday April 1st to which he answered no. Not a good idea considering co-counsel Cheney Mason filed a request for a rehearing that morning and asserts Judge Perry was bias in his rulings on earlier admissibility or suppression hearings. Musta slipped Jose's mind.
Do we all realize Judge Perry signed the majority of search warrants BASED ON SOME OF THIS DATA in the first place ?
Do we all realize that Judge Perry presided over the Grand Jury that issued Casey's indictment?
From the defense table, during the hearings, Casey Anthony furiously scrawled notes and flipped through voluminous reports and deposition transcripts.
On Wednesday, during the testimony of Yuri Melich, whereby at one point he was literally 5 feet away from her scribbling on the defense's "demonstrative aids" pad at Baez's request, Casey Anthony never once looked at Melich, or up, from her "make sure and look busy" activities.
Imagine that. Casey Anthony cannot eyeball her accuser, the lead detective in the case of her murdered child and this girl thinks she is going to be acquitted?
She is wrongly accused, this guy had and has it all wrong and she cannot be torn away from her post-it passing to observe his testimony about her dead child in her car? Seriously.
There is no explanation I can fathom where this defense feels it is in Casey Anthony's best interests to go to trial in the instant criminal case against her. None.
That said, it is.
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oops meant to write how do we know those are the components of air..not chemicals
Dr Jeff Danziger, whom the defense wanted added as a late addition to their witness list was one of 2 doctors who examined Casey as per Judge Strickland’s order of a psych evaluation at Casey’s hearing July 21, 2008.
I checked out his facebook page when his name was first mentioned the other day in a news article. He has a dog pictured named “Eric Barker”. Weird or what. One of Casey’s urban legends was that Eric Baker was Caylee’s father. I checked his facebook page the next day and lo & behold the picture of the dog & his name were gone.
Something is hinky with the late addition of him to the defense witness list, imo.Finnell stated he was going to testify to Casey’s state of mind and I think the defense is trying to pull a fast one to avoid having Casey examined by a state psychiatrist. Jeff Ashton & Linda Drane Burdick were suspicious of this addition & what he might be asked to testify to and I think they are right to be suspicious.
Blink, this was not just a great article – it was a FANTASTIC article!!
First off, as someone who has worked for Cook County Coroner’s Office/Chicago during the year of the infamous heat wave where hundreds of bodies were stored in airconditioned semi trailers in the parking lot due to the vast numbers of deaths, there is absolutely no way you can mistake the smell of human decomposition – none, nada. You cannot confuse the smell of rotting nonexistant pizza to that of a human decaying body. Cindy-Loon-Who is a lying piece of trash on that subject.
Dr. Vass’s testimony was perfection to witness and I agree that the jury will be on the edges of their seats for his testimony.
Question: Will Casey’s proclamation of sexual abuse by her father and brother be relevant and presented at trial? If so, will George/Lee be questioned? (I’m not sure how her lies concerning them relate to the murder of her daughter, only in the fact that it is yet another example of a sociopath’s lying capabilities).
2nd Question: After Casey IS convicted (I firmly believe she will be convicted), given Baez’s pathetic representation exhibited thus far, just how much do you feel we should worry on appeal about claiming “inadequate representation?”
Once again – thank you for your excellent article!
1. Yes, imo, the alleged abuse to Casey by George will be brought up at trial, specifically, because Casey is going to accuse George directly of either responsibility of what happened to Caylee as an accident, and they covered it up together, or outright murder.
This is going to happen. George will take the stand and plead the 5th, and the state will get permission to use his prior depositions and taped interviews to speak to his inferred impeachment.
I have been saying this for years, this will backfire, but that certainly has never stopped them before.
If we listen very carefully to them, they tell us everything we need to know, both in the totality of their statements, and the evolution of same.
2. When Casey is convicted, whether she is sentenced to die or to LWOP, she has a series of automatic appeals in the system. What are we up to now 11 lawyers on this case at one time or another? The burden (oversimplified but you get the gist) as to materiality for “ineffectiveness” to start with means that the outcome of her verdict would have been different, there is no way with the legal turnstyle and minds on this case that will overturn her verdict, imo.
That said, it is my strong belief that had “Casey” not been paid the fat sum from abc, and trust me when I tell you, there is more information about that we do not know than what we do at the moment, this case would have settled years ago.
Brad Conway, imo, really quit this case because he was not going to be a part of the shenanigans these people are going to try at trial, in addition to flat out lies Jose Baez told the A’s to write to Mark Nejame.
When I reflect the circus that has been this case for what will likely end up being 3 years in the making, I am sadder for this baby than ever.
B
These people are missing a “shame” chip somewhere in the circuitry.
B
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It’s called “not having a conscience”…jmho
Also, if anyone had PTSD, it was Caylee…each time her momster sadistically & suddenly removed her from the only home she knew, with her familiar routine, surroundings, people, toys, etc, on a vindictive “whim” due to her narcissistic hypersensitivity to some “minor wrong” committed by her parents (such as closing a bank acct she stole from), Caylee was negatively impacted. In a LE interview, Lee’s female friend (or roommate – Michelle?) described extreme behavior in Caylee, how Caylee would scream if her momster left her, or was out of her sight…IMO, that’s one sign of an attachment abnormality. It’s a shame that Cindy didn’t call LE to report these incidents &/or get CMA Baker Acted for abusing Caylee in this way.jmho
Great article, Blink. I always enjoy your point of view on this tragic case.
IMO,..whoever does the opening statements for the State will probably mention that on June 16, when Casey went to go pick up Caylee from Zanny – and she was gone :-O – instead of beginning a frantic search for her daughter – she went to Blockbusters instead with her boyfriend.
THAT, my friends, will be enough, all in itself.
The rest of this evidence….as horrific as it is…will help to put the strengthen the case….but really….I have a feeling that the State’s opening statement will be all it will take.
Caylee looks so much like my little girl did at her age. Everytime I see Caylee’s face…my heart just breaks. Justice is coming, sweet Caylee.
ty
B
I watched the court proceedings this week & felt it painful to watch & listen to Baez (who I now feel is really Inspector Clouseau) cross examine Dr Vass.. Baez is clearly out of his league with someone who knows his subject.. The jury will love Dr Vass because he obviously knows his subject & has the ability to make his line of work sound not so dry, and his explanations are easy to follow.. And Dr Vass has some quick one liners.. However, when Baez went to the topic of Wikipedia I kept shaking my head because apparently no one on the defense team told Baez that the Wiki site is not to be taken as factual its contents are put out there by the end users.. That moment when Baez went into Dr Vass’ Wiki page contents was a Hallmark moment for me & so came Inspector Clouseau & the Pink Panther.. My guess is jury selection will take a very long time with Baez at the helm of the defense team.. As to Casey & her court room attire & antics she must still think she is out in the night club scene, & I guess no one told her jurors watch the defendant during trial.. I personally would like to smack that smirk off of her face..
Nice job Blink,
This case is proving to be a PSA for all future defendants accused of murder. It should be mandatory reading and viewing for all those that would kill and then decide on who their defense atty is.
There is a reason why one is not supposed to pick a wet behind the ears, attention seeking hack who uses a case as a vehicle for fame.
The Dr. Arpad Vass – Baez confrontation remided me of a mock trial in law school of a 1st year law student trying to cross a 40 year experienced expert in the field. Oh, what … maybe because it was exactly that.
Just a note to future murder suspects, you might want to scratch Baez off your short list.
How many cases does one know where a client might actually get a worse sentence by being represented by an atty as opposed to handling the case pro se? Had Casey represented herself and thrown herself on the mercy of the court, she might have received 5-8 years. Instead with Baez, she is looking at life to a needle.
Sounds like WINNING to me.
R
O Red, sigh, I know.
For me, there are so many “take aways” from this case that need to be brought to the surface.
The focus of the work ahead I presume.
B
Here is something I hope someone can answer. What exactly are the charges against Casey in this trial? In other words when the Judge instructs the jury what choices will the jury be given – only first degree murder? or second degree, manslaughter, child abuse ending in death etc? What Im trying to get at is if they cannot decide that Casey killed Caylee in the first degree, but it was an accident gone wrong can Casey be convicted of a lesser charge? Is it all or nothing?
She can be found guilty of a lesser included, yes.
B
I was just thinking…something may have been going on between George and Casey on the morning of June 16. If there was and Caylee got in the way, both George and Casey could be involved in her death. Both panicked. George had to go to work and didn’t have time to dispose of the body. Tried to put her in the playhouse, that didn’t work so they put her in the trunk of the car, and dumped her in the woods two days. That could be why George tried to be so specific to what they were wearing and the time they left the house that day. Maybe Casey and Caylee left, or maybe they didn’t leave until later, maybe they didn’t leave at all until Casey was ready to go to Blockbusters and to Tony’s. I think George may have helped Casey dispose of the body. They may prove that George is not Caylee’s father but I believe something was going on with George and Casey. Thus the famous words from Casey, “Oh dont worry I haven’t said anything.”…my mind is wondering all over the place today.
Read above people. With much respect, I offer Exhibit A.
It only takes one.
Phyllis, the only thing conclusive about the 16th is that Casey was at the A home until around 4:14PM.
That said, yes, George has put himself in the position he is in.
B
Oneshot;
psychologists say these types of people have “personality disorders” there is a wide range of them. I think the Anthony family is a perfect storm of personality disorders and the end result is a dead baby girl. In my life right now I am having to deal with someone who has (finally!) been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. All I can say is these people with these kinds of disorders have constructed their own frame of reference and will not tolerate anything outside of it. The person I am dealing with is an intelligent, brilliant in his field, person. But he can look you straight in the eye and tell you he never said what he just said and you are wrong and evil to say that he said it. The person living with such a person begins to believe that They are the crazy one. Why do they believe they are crazy? Because they are not.
Anyway, what I am living through right now has helped me understand some of the dynamics that must have been a part of this family for a long time. Studying the anthony’s situation has also helped me have more clarity with the situation I am in. Something about the disorder and dysfunction of this family HAS to be brought in. But don’t expect ANYONE in this family to ever see the simple truth, because they will only construct the truth they want to deal with.
Please understand, I am not claiming that the death of Caylee was excusable, I am only claiming it was an end result. Casey KNOWS it was wrong, or she would not have hidden it. She KNEW that finding the body would prove murder or she would have invented a lie about a terrible accident and her fear of her mother. I think most people would have bought that excuse early in the case. The investigators were even leading her in that direction to confess it, if that was the case. Casey believes what she wants to believe. Does she believe she didn’t do it? I am not sure. But she does believe Cindy is responsible for her getting caught. She believes the police “did not listen to her” (remember what I said above about he can look you straight in the eye and claim he never said that?). Casey believes that she is being unfairly persecuted by the STATE and is a victim/martyr. She believes that when her attorney gets mad and yells at a witness that he is fighting for her. FACTS do not get in her way. And she is accomplished at convincing others to her point of view. Her attorney fits right in because his main thing seems to be that the police and SA are liars, persecutors and diabolically target innocent people. Do not look for her or her family (or her attorney) to have an “Ah-ha” moment when they realize that their own actions have brought this all on them.
I am open to being corrected by any professional psychologist out there. I am not a psychologist, I do not play one on tv, and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. This is all my own opinion based on by experience.
Good Morning Blink and All – After watching the shenanigans in court on Wed. and Thurs. of this week, I had to ask myself if this defense is ‘crazy like a fox’? I have seen some screwd up attorneys in my time, but Baez takes the cake. This trial has been 3 yrs. in the making, but Judge Strickland and the State have tolerated this. It was Judge Perry who put this trial on the right track and is striving to keep it there. I have often wondered if the defense waived Casey’s right to a speedy trial because the more time goes by, the more the evidence is disturbed by so and so experts etc. and this can cast reasonable doubt to a jury.
Mom3.0 at 11:24 March 25, 2011 – brings up an interesting point that perhaps the defense is steering this case towards a mental defect in the 11th hour. I too have wondered about this. Even though this has been discussed in the past and it appears Casey’s time has come and gone with this option, could it be that it MAY come into play if she takes a plea? (That would be a penalty phase if you will.) She could take a plea with whatever mental defect the defense throws out there, and it would plea out to manslaughter (for example). All it takes is 2 out of 3 doctors to get on the stand and admit to a mental disorder of some kind. She may be confined to a mental health facility for a period of time, at which time she could be deemed stable enough to return to either prison or society. Her sentence for manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide will not be LWOP or the death penalty. With time in already of almost 3 yrs., plus her time in a mental ward will count towards her total time of sentence. Of course, the State would have to agree with these terms. Of course Casey will admit to having a hand in Caylee’s death come plea time, but we may never know for sure if she did it intentionally or if it was an accident. She will have to give her version when and if she takes a plea.
I don’t want to go off on too much of a tangent here, but if Baez and Mason are so unfit – as they appear to be at times, they can be removed from the case. Again – more time spent away from going to trial, but time is on the side of the defense for that reason. (That is if it ever gets to trial.) I too have to wonder if the State would be more favorable to a plea as stated above because of the overwhelming amount of money that will be put on the taxpayers of the state of Florida during these hard times.
In this case, perhaps the defense won’t feel they’ve lost anything. Their client won’t be sentenced to death, and she won’t be doing LWOP. I’ve seen manslaughter charges do 5-9 yrs. She already has time in, plus a little more time in a mental health facility. Perhaps when she’s deemed fit to be released, she’ll be released to society once again. In other words – time served. Finito! As far as the defense is concerned – it’s not who wins or loses, but how you play the ‘game’. JMHO
A mental defect defense ship sailed a long time ago. It will help mitigate, in the penalty phase, but that is it. She is being charged with capital murder with a 34 month old with duct tape across her face, I am not concerned about a jury letting her off easy.
B
Hello Everyone..Great Read and the Dana’s show was great also Blink…2 Days of Baez was painful for those that witnessed….lol… I loved Dr Vass….he been doing his work for almost half the years Baez has been breathing air..I would be a student. Not only is He brilliant, fascinating to listen too….but He is “Cute”…..I hope Vass makes a billion dollars on the Labrador….I would buy a 100 and give them to Law Enforcement on the reason Vass gave Baez as to why it was invented…Blink ….You have a respectable place and I can’t really say what I would like ..it would be Profane about Esquire Baez.lol the man makes my skin crawl….Looks like the Defense might be Judge surfing again…after the motion for re-hearing denied….I could listen to Belvin Perry Jr. all day too…PS…Great article on The James Hataway case, that is in my neck of the woods also…one scary man.
an now when baez and company read this it will be their new excuse
Hi, Blink!
Really enjoyed this article so much – you do have such away with words – and melt-down indeed it was. At least in a boxing ring, when the one fighter is on the ropes, they stop the fight!
Your comment above about the ABC money brings up a BIG ISSUE for me. First of all …how can Bozo not have kept “billable hours”? Doesn’t the FL Bar have guidelines on this??
Also – Can’t the “sunshine” laws in Florida extend to records that document how someone who received almost $300K gets reduced to indigent status?? Shouldn’t the beleagured taxpayers of Florida know how the money was spent up to when they became the payer of record here?? We don’t need to know all the details ( which I guess would be client-attorney privilege) – but the rest should be audited and open to inspection. That’s the one thing that I faulted Judge Strickland on.
Also – could you be persuaded to write a book on this case??? PLEASE!!!!!!!
Lastly – and this has really been worrying me, where is Gerus?? The one dog-handler has a new dog. What happened to Gerus?? Is he OK?
Thanks again Blink!
Queen LaTweeta,
Hello thanks for bringing us that information. That is why we never know with Casey- I think she is more than capable of making up lies based on tidbits that she has read or seen.
Unfortunately, her defense seems to be quite willing to supply or back her lies- And my Goodness her family is the worst. I do not know if this doctor’s dog’s name spawned some of Casey’s lies…it may just be one of the strange coincidences in this case. But here is the point- It most certainly could have.
We all know IMO that many of Casey’s mistruths and BS can be tracked back to their origins- Juliet Lewis was an actor. There was actually a Jeffrey Hopkins….. Many of the circumstances attributed to Zanny- a car crash, ect can be tracked back to actual occurrences that took place in Annies life or Ricardo’s ect…Casey weaves her lies from tidbits from real life happenings/conversations ect. She also incorporates movies, songs, and possibly books. She IS the female Kaiser Soze.
I remember in one of the jail visits Cindy asks Casey (pp) if there is anything she can tell them that would help…do you know anything? can you tell us anything..Casey’s response IMO is very telling. She raises her voice and says (pp) Mom- I’ve been here a month- I haven’t talked to anyone, I havent seen anything…the little bit of news I do get yada yada….I don’t know..how am I supposed to know anything?— In this conversation, it was as if Casey was admitting – hey- I have nothing new to base any more lies on…I can’t make something up out of thin air, don’t you get it, mom!?
All JMO
My Dearest Blink,
First hope you are feeling better and the Blinkettes are also.
Second….best article yet..each one surpasses the other. Kudos my friend kudos.
Well now, it appears that the PT SD will come into play ..but it won’t fly..afterall most New Yorker’s had a version of PT SD for a period of time after 9/11. Interestingly enough…crime in NYC dropped considerably and stayed low for months after 9/11. No PT SD does not cause people to murder their offspring..
And aptly shown this past week..the States brilliant and well spoken
expert witnesses will be the undoing of the defense teams strategy.
I believe Baez is frustrated because he knows now that he is going to look foolish, besides not winning this case..and even if push comes to shove and he wanted to plea Casey out…from the looks of the colorful markers and paperwork..Casey is not so inclined.
However, during penalty phase..is it not possible that Judge Perry could give LWOP and no chance of appeals? I always thought that during sentencing in a DP case it was the Judge’s prerogative as to rather appeals would be allowed for LWOP. Then again I’ve never cracked a law book..as it appears neither has Baez.
Not to make light of this..just sometimes if I don’t laugh..I would cry and howl more then I already do.
On a lighter note, Momof3, since Charles Manson’s name was brought up by the defense..or at least his ranch..are we going to hear that the Nanny is some crazed offspring of one of the Manson girls, who forced Casey to smoke a bong, which fell over in the trunk while Casey (using her maniacal cleaning tactics learned at her mother’s knee) was cleaning up the remains of the cheeseburger orgy the Nanny had just demolished. In a rage the Nanny whisked Caylee away to neverneverland because Casey is a fool for a mother..and not a thorough cleaner upper.
And I do have some swampland in Florida perhaps Baez would like to buy..complete with gators and snakes ..oh my, my.
Hugs and peace everyone..we are almost there..justice is coming for this sweet baby girl
My Dearest DD,
this baby continues to bond us to this day, doesn’t she?
It has been a long and arduous road and I still thank her daily for the path she forged.
HUgs, love and light to you.
B
Exhibit A-
Phylis- Hi I don’t think any of that happened- don’t loose sight of the truth. Its easy if you allow yourself to be caught up in the scandalous horrible lies or “what ifs” George did not help- George would have done far better at getting rid of the evidence and qualming Cindy’s fears. Remember the truth of everyones behavior in the beginning-Especially Casey’s.
IMO The simple, ugly truth is Casey Anthony a young, pretty mom, killed her beautiful 2YO daughter, & kept her decomposing body in the trunk of her car- She went on with her life joyfully-then disposed of the little ones body down the street from her home. She had 31 day’s to clean up and formulate her lies inorder to better protect herself. She Got a tattoo, and merrily continued on with the party -until her mother caught up to her…She thought she outsmarted everyone- please don’t let her web of deceit triumph over the truth.
Blink- I hear you loud and clear. Unfortunately only one juror needs to buy into the BS. I am hopeful that unlike the many who have followed this case, and learned of the lies and evidence in tidbits, the jury will have the benefit of hearing it all at once, they will have it all laid out before them in one full scoop.
Hopefully seeing and hearing it all from the beginning- will be enough to counter the BS that will be flying.
Unfortunately George and the rest of the family have put themselves in the position to be accused. Heck George testified on the stand that he would subject himself to anything if he thought it spare his daughters life.
His short letter to Casey speaks volumes- IMO (pp) Why? Why are you doing this? They asked me two questions… ( I bet one of them was, are you willing to do anything to spare your daughters life?)
Casey Why?
How could you do this to your family? To Lee, To Me, To Caylee?
Does anyone really believe, for an instant that Casey, would have kept this dark secret to herself- and not used it to her benefit at EVERY opportunity? There is no statute of limitations on incest.
Does anyone really believe that Cindy, for one moment, would have chose George or even Lee over Casey? My God this woman made it abundantly clear to the whole world that Casey is first- then Lee, never George- as for Caylee- I think while an infant, she was first, only as an extension of Casey and all was fine …then we all know there was no later for Caylee.
George may be a father who refers to his daughter as beautiful and gorgeous.. and this may seem strange and off-putting to some- but remember Casey is his daughter- we know Casey is a narcissist- who would enjoy and appreciate everyone, most of all dear old dad- recognizing and complimenting her beauty. IMO
I think George was simply being a good dad, doing his best in a horrible situation. He answered the FBI tests regarding Casey truthfully- Cindy did not. His GJ testimony helped put Casey in jail. What a horrible predicament. I think He felt bad.
I think he called her pretty because he was trying to lift his daughters spirits, in a way she would appreciate. Casey chose to speak to George for the infamous meeting…we know she said (pp) You were the best dad and an awesome grandfather…you did your best never doubt that… Does this seem like a relationship that is based on incest that led to Caylee’s death or murder? If this was the Truth would Casey have sat in jail accused of murdering her baby- to protect George?
Here is a news flash- when Casey was out of jail, (and in Jail visits ect) she didnt accuse George of any improper abuse or advances.
Casey told Jesse something about Lee once, that he TRIED to get her to have sex with him once- this story later changed & it differed from the story she told TL.
Well, Casey and those on “Casey’s side” have had years to build & formulate new scenarios- and they have had years to break George.
Does anyone believe that Casey stupidly wrote letters in jail to Robyn on an F’ing whim? What? This woman that can go years without talking to her family & friends needed to vent to a confidant in jail? Isn’t it convenient that stuff she wrote is now seeming to back up the newest scenarios?
In the Robyn letters she conveniently spouted that she had tried to tell her mom…that Lee would come into her room at night…and here goes: Lee shined a flashlight on her, and many times she would awaken with her sports bar pulled up…not saying that Lee fondled her, or forced himself on her, or even that he touched her or that they played doctor when they were younger…nothing, only that he would come in her room flashlight shining then many times she would wake up with her bra askew. THATS it thats all.
The George dream she wrote about is convenient IMO too. She doesn’t say hey my dad was a sick pig heres what happened…She doesnt say hey I am messed up because my dad molested me as a little girl…she doesnt say my dad fondled me, or raped me…She doesnt say much of anything. What she says is (pp)I had a weird dream…my dad was in my childhood bedroom…I woke up with my stomach hurting, just like it used to hurt when I was a little girl… it makes me think he did stuff to me… Thats IT! It was a convenient dream- IMO that castes suspicion over her Dad.
I’m Just offering a different perspective…
I dont know if there is any truth in Casey’s statements of abuse- but I do know I can’t trust a thing she says, and I do know her Dad will do anything to spare her life.
Blink- I hear you loud and clear unfortunately only one juror needs to buy into the BS. Maybe George and Lee will do the right thing. Hopefully George’s past statements GJ testimony ect will be enough to show Casey scenarios for what they are convenient and nothing more.
All JMO
Now we did it, mom 3.o said F’ing. OUUUUIIIIII.
Kidding aside, I do not want Phyllis to think I was picking on her, I certainly was not. I was showing that I think the defense BELIEVES that the holes in the case, is their defense.
Ok, that is the history of advesarial jurisprudence and we all know that, but sometimes, when your client is flat out guilty, your zealous representation is a plea deal.
B
Oh My Blink. Did I leave the impression I thought Casey did not kill Caylee. Did your comment”It only takes one” mean that you thought that. I did not mean to leave that impression at all. I have no doubt she killed her baby but I just can’t see Casey going into the woods by herself. I kinda think I hope she is found guilty and gets the DP. I also hope the entire family gets charged with whatever they can be charged with.
Phyllis I think you brought up a valid point, and I think others can benefit from thinking it through, I am sorry if I made you feel bad, I was just demonstrating that lingering questions can be the one juror hold out.
B
mom3.0
People like Baez, who may or may not realize that science has many instruments and techniques to look at chemical evidence, are all subject to misconceptions about the world in which we live.
Gas chromatographs have been around for most of my life. When I worked as an engineer for a major gas company, we had a site where we used two of them. One on the incoming stream to a gas stripping facility where “wet” natural gas, mostly methane, with other hydrocarbons entered the plant and another on the outbound stream. The purpose for this was to determine how much material could be stripped from the gas stream and give back a flow with a guaranteed BTU content of 850 BTUs per 1,000 cubic feet so that downstream contract commitments could be met.
These chromatographs were set to run over a fairly narrow range, but there are others that cover the entire spectrum. Science lesson concluded for the day.
Your statement about your children and how as a mom you could not behave as did Casey is how most moms behave towards those that they bring into the world. It is called a natural instinct of “Mothers Love”. Unfortunately, for some children, this is NOT what is going on with their mothers. This is why we see the type of actions that a person like Casey takes.
Single moms IMO have a very difficult time with children. That is why it takes a mother and a father to make a good family. That is not to say that sometimes things work out well for children brought up by a loving and caring mother.
I think Casey probably fits most of the criteria that are used to determine sociopathic behavior. Is she a Physcopath as well? Only a qualified person could determine for certain. If the State of Florida has her examined by at least two qualified doctors, we may get information about this too.
ATG-
I swear there is nothing you do not know something about- what an asset you are here and to your family.
Dr. Vass was trying to articulate that very point, and the compounds that are proprietary to the database have never been questioned and have been reinforced via peer review.
Keeping his testimony to the specific issues the State did, for the purposes of Frye, was nothing short of brilliant. Dr. Vass will have many stories to tell on the stand and the defense had better school themselves in the mean time. Isn’t it in this jurisdiction Baez/Cheney stiffed the court reporters?
Idiots.
B
Hi Jnpgh.
As I recall, at some point Linda Burdick started a statement with; Before Gerus was retired…
I did not use quotation marks because this is from memory. It would take a lot of listening to locate her statement. But I remember it because I was wondering, myself and that was the only mention pertaining to my question.
Blink, thanks for the update. I am heartened to see that there is still a good chance for a conviction. On the local talk radio station, there’s been a lot of talk that there’s no way Casey will be convicted of 1st degree and that in all probability, she’ll walk out a free woman. I’m so glad to hear there are major cracks in the defense.
BTW, thanks for bringing back a good memory- I had “I don’t want to live on the moon” in my head all day today. My baby just turned 18. We used to listen to that song over and over, never tiring of it. Pure innocence.
B
Wow…fabulous piece, Blink! Also, great posts by everyone! Thought I’d add my 2 cents about the hearing this week as well….I agree with everyone regarding Dr. Vass….his testimony was simply captivating! Make room for one more on the “man-crush” express! Shame on Baez for implying that Dr. Vass’ only motivation for creating the Labrador was for financial gain only (the irony of this statement coming from his mouth is very rich indeed). Listening to Baez and Sims was PAINFUL…they were fumblin’, bumblin’, stumblin’. I couldn’t take it and had to watch the defense in short spurts. The prosecution on the other hand was full of professionalism, as always; clear, concise, and to the point.
And what’s with “the defendant” and all that writing and the packing and unpacking of all the binders, legal pads and files and closing Baez’s laptop anytime he had to go up to JP (wow “defendant”, you’re such a good helper!)?!?! At one point I had to laugh, as I was imagining what was on those pages and why she was so furiously searching and writing. Was it a question and answer exercise created for her by Baez to keep her looking busy and important?: #1 “Go to page 57 of the blue binder and count how many times the letter ‘S’ appears and write the answer on line 1 of the legal pad”. #2 “Go to page 236 of the red binder and count how many times the word “the” appears and write the answer on line 2 of the legal pad”., #3 ” Find the green folder and count how many pages there are in it and write the answer on line 3 of the legal pad.”., etc., etc., etc. Oh and at the end of the hearing, did anyone see her and Baez reach out and touch eachother?
Mom3.0, you mentioned about one of the jail visits and the defendant saying something to her mother to the effect of ‘I’ve been in here for a month and don’t have any info….’, etc. Nice insight on that as far as her basically saying that she has nothing to base any new lies on. That same visit (at least I think it’s the same one) Cindy questions her on alot of other things…one of which was a menu. They go back and forth for a bit…Cindy speaks in the present tense of Caylees likes and dislikes, but the defendant does not. Defendant says (pp) ‘those menus were for me. I wanted to start getting up at 5:00am and start working out and eat good things. If those were for Caylee, I would have put little things on it that she LIKED’(past tense!). Check it out if you haven’t. On WFTV, it’s the Parents meeting with her on the morning of July 25th, Part 2 of 2 and it’s at about the 11:50 mark. She speaks of Caylee often in the past tense throughout all the jailhouse visits, but usually corrects herself (like when she tells George (pp) that ‘ he’s the best grandfather Caylee ever had…and still has’ (she realizes her mistake and quickly recovers without batting an eye, but it’s still very telling). Same with the first call home when she says (pp) ‘all they’re worried about right now is Caylee…and you know what, that’s all I’m worried about right now too’ (total lie, as the only reason she called was to get T.L.’s number, but she quickly realized what she said and corrected it in the blink of an eye so as not to look like the cold unfeeling monster that she is). As far as the menu one goes, that is the only one, I believe, where even she did not notice that she exposed herself as having knowledge that Caylee was never coming back.
Sorry about the length of the above post. Again, Blink, thank you for the fabulous piece and for all you do!
TY kindly
B
I put to many words in my above post. “I kinda think” does not belong.
Sorry.
Blink…I recently heard on Channel 9 in Orlando that the state of Florida does NOT have a “Son of Sam” law. Meaning someone convicted of murder CAN write a book or sell their story for a movie or television production. I was shocked to say the least as I thought this was a national law. This recently came up because of an officer who was killed and the family sued the two men responsible for his death (they are now serving life in prison.) It was mentioned these two men who killed the officer are trying to sell their story for a television show. The family was awarded 24M.
I have always felt that ABC (possibly others)entered into a deal with the Anthony’s (after Caylee was found) and they treated them to a posh hotel room and meals plush who knows what else. The producers at ABC were far too friendly with this family and Jose. I can bet for sure that Cindy will write a book and sell her story to anyone willing to buy it. For that matter maybe they have already received an advance since neither of them have been employed.
Now I wonder if all this obsessive writing that Casey does in court (she seems to have her own personal expandafile of writings) and in her cell is her journal of events, etc. to sell after the trial is over?
Cindy set up a Foundation way back in the day when Casey was practically living in Jose’s office. I felt then that would be a great cover for all monies they collected to look for Caylee (when they knew she was dead) and all the stuff they were selling, donations and you name it. A good place to hide money for book, movie and t.v. deals too. They never have had any intention of using this money for anything other than to live on. Call me cynical…perhaps but it was just to timely. Something is going on and has been.
It will be interesting to see what happens. I know from personal experience that the networks do not “court” people, spend money on them and treat them to “perks” without a reason. There is more to this story. Perhaps Jose’s answers about dealings with the media and possible book deals were technical in nature and more lies beneath the surface.
If I remember correctly it was stated when she was applying for money from the state for her defense that should she ever make money she would have to pay the state back for her legal expenses. Is this correct? Could be that from the start money could have been promised to her attorney based on the story she would be writing. So in the end Jose would have a reason to take this case to court making it more interesting than a plea deal which in the end could possibly have saved her from a potential life sentence or death penalty. One hell of a gamble I would say. Your thoughts?
Della,
welcome to BOC. I know your new so you would have no way to know this, but I have written articles in the double or triple digits in this case on the very issues your asking me about.
Google blinkoncrime + casey anthony and if I missed something please let me know.
Thank you for your advocacy.
B
Diaz claims, “…Mr. Baez wanted to surprise the prosecution, and the surprise blew up in the defense’s face.” Diaz also alleges, “Mr. Baez’ defectiveness affected the fairness and reliability of the trial, that confidence in the outcome was undermined.”
Nilton diaz now on death row.
represented by atty jose no angel baez
http://www.bloggernews.net/118118/18120
That is the banner title on Mr. Baez’s web site! In the light of his involvement in the missing Florida child Caylee Anthony case and his defense of likely tot killer Casey Anthony this in my mind is a stretch of my imagination. Justice in this case will begin when the jury returns a guilty verdict.
Mom3.0
Well I feel like I just had a lashing with a wet noodle. Mom3, I agree with everything you said. I guess I just can’t say it as well as you can. I was, as I said, just rambling. I can’t understand how this family works,and I was trying to do that for my sanity. I have never thought Casey Anthony was inocent. I pegged her as guilty when I heard the first news report about the story. I think I should just keep my comments to myself and just read…I might learn something that way. Thanks Mom3. You do a great job.
Blink thank you.You are very kind and I love your comments. Please know that I would never be “That One”. I hope my comments did not sway anyone in that direction. I pray that Casey will be convicted by a jury and gets the maximum, DP.
Lol, no wet noodle, a warm welcome.
B
LOL-You scared me Blink I thought I actually made the mistake of writing out the complete “mother of bad words” pheww.
Phyllis, Hello, I hope it didn’t seem like I was attacking you or what you wrote. I valued what you wrote very much -it gave me much to think about. You wrote that you think Casey’s guilty- I am sorry if I made you think you needed to confess that. Or if you felt like you needed to defend yourself.
When someone brings up a valid point,like you did, especially one that can give us a better insight into what shenanigans the defense may be up to, many of us…including me, try very hard to head them off at the pass -with facts and recollections ect.
The same with the thoughts on PTSD- I don’t think this is a workable defense, I only thought it might answer the question to what the defense may be going for…I brought it up, not to tip off the defense, or give Casey another excuse, but for Blink and other posters to dissect and head off the defense. ( Thanks Blink for your thoughts that this ploy would NOT work out for them)
See here’s the thing, The defense is trying so hard to suppress all Casey & family’s prior statements, interviews, jvisits ect because the truth is there for the jury to see & hear.
Every ones past words and deeds can not be undone- they are a testament to the whole story of what truly happened.
They work against any ploy IMO
A person with PTSD( who is avoiding because everything is too painful).. does not sneak back to their home to get clothes ect- The person with PTSD does not happily go back to the scene time and time again to steal gas or food pops. Nor does this person return to get or a laptop.
This person suffering from PTSD wouldn’t return to the home- a place they are avoiding, to retrieve a beloved teddy bear of the deceased, & certainly not for the sole purpose of stopping grandma from sleeping with it for comfort… This person would not go back to the dreaded home to borrow a shovel or to take trash bags or other items needed to dispose of the body.
This person suffering from PTSD would not be able to subject themselves to movies that remind them of the trauma or of the cover-up , the duct tape and trunk scene and the blood and death.
Nor would they comfort themselves by playing a song over and over that reminds them of their life the trauma the loss…( A life they have blocked out or avoid) a song which includes imagery of water and screaming and tears..erasing the past and moving on…. They certainly wouldn’t upload a icon of a hung-teddy bear with that caption… nor would they post a Diary of Days and add that they are now enjoying the movie American Psycho
Thanks again Phyllis and all for bringing your thoughts, and insights to BOC- much appreciated.
AJMO
SOTT- Hi nice to see you- I can’t remember what visit but I do think that is the one- good catch- I never noticed the past tense- VERY telling. Loved your take on the hearing…Lol on Baez’ chore for Casey’s busy work…He He.
Della Hi- I think if there is any way possible for more money to be made- Casey Anthony will be able to find it. As to her writing…if its anything like her jailhouse letters I pity the reader… BTW- IMO Blink ‘s past articles are great- She has tried her very best to stand up for Caylee on this very issue- and I thank her for her efforts…read on, Della.
TGF- Wow! thank you for the science lesson- you are amazing, sir. I appreciate you taking the time to share that valuable info with us. & Casey Anthony obviously was not the mother of the year by far. I hope you be able to share your insights with us come trial- I think you would add an interesting perspective.
Oh GypsyDD, Hiya! Im sorry I missed your comment, thank you for bringing up the reality of PTSD. You are so right.
As to the bong fest, Hamburger orgy, with Manson and Zanny and Mr. Clean- LOL-Too funny- At this point I wouldn’t put it past them to try it–although I think they’d add in: Casey was listening to Helter Skelter backwards and can’t be held accountable, because she was under the influence of those weird mop top Brits playing Rock & Roll
Its truly sad how ridiculous this as all become, and especially when you stop to think, none of this BS circus would be occuring now, if Casey had done one right thing by her daughter and confessed/pleaded out.
AJMO
Thanks Blink for the kind words
Yes, my virtual daughter, we can blame all this knowledge on my little eighty-plus year old grandmother with an eighth grade formal education. She was my first teacher and looking back on that time as a young adult,I realized what a great gift she had given to me.
She taught me to think and study about things at a very early age. She questioned everything in her life and studied new things as they developed. Everyone can learn if they apply themselves. Each of us have that opportunity. She also taught that you could not keep knowledge for yourself unless you learned to share it with others.
And that dear Blink is what you do too by creating this opportunity for everyone who posts to learn and grow in addition to doing good for families and victims of crime.
I am just very fortunate to have a good mind and memory so that what I learn can be used effectively.
We are all fortunate to be able to benefit from that so thank you as always.
B
Mom3.0
Your description of the antics Casey and the rest of her family seem to use, is a description of sociopathic behavior.
If we could go back in Casey’s life to the time she was first in school and take a look at what her primary school teachers wrote about her behavior, we would likely find that she lived in a self-created fantasy world unlike the normal childhood dreams etc.
This sociopathic tendency makes a person caught up in it, use all kinds of information to weave a story about themselves that suits the personal immage that they wish to have. If it is an experience that another has that they like, it will be included even though it never happened to them.
This IMO is why, early in the case, she led LE on such a wild chase trying to find Caylee even down to going to the theme park offices and not confessing she didn’t work there until they were on the premises. After a few rounds with this, LE realized what a nut case they had on their hands and arrested her.
If you go and take a hard look at the photo of Casey at the defense table in one of the pieces Blink wrote, you will see her jaw is thrust forward showing her determination to convince the court that she is right. Truth and fiction are mingled endlessly in such a mind.
E
Just took an hour catching up – wow!! brilliant postings by everyone. So glad you still have the enthusiasm and energy to write such brilliant pieces Blink, this one was GREAT!! Can I join the Vass Fan Club please – love the guy, so refreshing!
Thank you kindly
B
Hi Blink,
Excellent article thank you and excellent posts also.
To Phyliss, LOL that is also why I just read and dont comment. The posts that I read usually reflect what I would say but said so much more eloquently that I would be able to write.
A quick comment on the PTSD from Mom3. I live with someone with PTSD and you are absolutely correct. If they hear or come in contact with anything that brings the memories of the PTSD incident the normal reaction is some type of meltdown in some way shape or form. They dont have an episode and then go on to live the “BELLA VITA”
It is a very painful experience that sets off a whole cycle of behaviour patterns and sometimes leads to some form of self destruction. I have never seen or heard of anyone with this disorder being triggered into a Bella Vita lifestyle and especially for 31 days!
Back to reading the great posts and thanks again Blink and to all the Blinksters for your excellent articles and insight into this case.
Thank you kindly.
B
Blink, you said (Snipped);
“Keeping his testimony to the specific issues the State did, for the purposes of Frye, was nothing short of brilliant. Dr. Vass will have many stories to tell on the stand and the defense had better school themselves in the mean time. Isn’t it in this jurisdiction Baez/Cheney stiffed the court reporters?”
This intriques me. I take it to mean that Vass has more damning information about the case which did not come out in the latest Frye hearing.
I assume that the Vass depositions are finished. And I think that he will be disallowed to testify to anything that is not contained in his depositions & report(s). This would be true as to any questions asked by the Prosecution (because he is their witness). Are you implying that if the Defense stumbles into areas NOT covered in the depos and reports, we could hear “new” information?
Not putting you off annals, but this question is well, sort of something I am covering in a future piece.
B
PS; Blink, thanks for the “in the field” photo of Dr Arpad Vass and his (mechanical) Labrador; love it.
I read elsewhere of his trials of the Labrador with various subtances and combinations of chemical compounds; detection by dog then machine; indoors then outdoors; dog then machine; on the surface, hidden, buried; dog & machine; verifying step by step; fascinating.
Could his insight into cadaver dogs exceed that of Dr Scott Fairgrieve? (Not that the Prosicution would call an expert to witness outside his field.) Jus’ sayin’.
I am afraid anything I could come up with for an answer would seem disparaging to Dr. Fairgrieve,
So I will just say this… What forensic anthropologist admits he has never worked with a cadaver dog at an archaeological dig looking for clandestine graves?
I was on the floor.
B
Oh, o, and Dr Vass took his reaseach to the Tri-State Crematory, Noble Georga in in 2002. That case, wherein hundreds of bodies were scattered on the crematory property in lieu of cremation, challenged my imagination at the time.
Unbeliveably interesting Frye hearing.
It’s been bantered back & forth, but Bottom Line: Will the Anthony’s be charged w/anything after the trial? If they aren’t, residents of Fla. (I’ not), should protest.
A little O/T, but not so much. I just watched “The Lovely Bones” for the first time. I read the book years ago but back then, I really wasn’t thinking about the plight of our missing/murdered children so it didn’t impact me as much as the movie. I pretty much bawled throughout most of the film. My guy called me a big baby. Well yes I am! I cried for Caylee, Kyron, Haleigh, Hailey, and many others. The atrocities these children may have endured cannot be imagined, and I don’t want to. God bless these children. I pray they are all in their own special heaven, and that I will meet them there one day.
annals
In your post regarding how Dr Vass proved his equipment and theory of how to use chemical compounds to determine a death had occured, you have described exactly how all good scientists and engineers go about testing their work until there is no doubt of its accuracy.
Then, they get other experts in the field to review the entire process with instructions to pick it apart with the object of finding any flaws in the testing.
If Mr. Baez used such techniques in his practice, we might have a totally different court situation in this case.
Or say, maybe a mock trial before he flubs the biggest hearings to date.
Yowza.
B
Thanks Blink, I’m looking forward to that article.
That brings me to another question about how examination and cross examination will work in the trial.
Judge Perry has ordered that; (for expert witnesses?) information which is NOT contained in depositions and reports cannot be used at trial. I made the assumption that this will apply to the party who listed the expert on their witness list. I also made the assumption that the other side can ask anything of an opposing expert (assuming relavence). Now I’m wondering if that’s true.
Perhaps my question is; what is cross examination? From watching the hearings, I notice sometimes an objection is made during cross examination because the cross examinating attorney has ventured into territory which was not brought in by the other side in the previous round of questions.
Can anyone straighten me out on this?
1) Can the attorneys ask anything of the opposing side’s experts?
2) When are they restricted to already introduced topics? Or should the question be; who is restricted to already introduced topics?
3) Lastly, in this trial will the restriction to deposition information apply only to expert witnesses but not to LE & lay witnesses?
There are literally hundreds of machinations to answer this question annals, one would get through law school quicker. When I write it, I will try to keep this in mind.
B
Somehow I thought that if I emnumerated my my exact questions, that would narrow the possible answers. I guess I stumbled into a snake pit of complication. I’ll take your word for that, Blink. I’m too lazy to go to law school and asking you to write a cirriculum is over reaching.
lol, thanks for that.
B
Thanks for that TX Grandfather.
I am in awe that Dr Vass has undertaken to replicate in a machine some of what dogs do olifactorally. And, of course, the Labrador will communicate specifics that the good dogs can’t. I’m charmed that dogs are part of his proofing process.
Annals
I don’t know how the information gathered by the “labrador” is communicated to the operator. However, this one in the photo appears to have a visual device in one side. Just thinking about it in its current design and what could it be in the future.
Could this be the forerunner of a machine that could allow LE or more aptly crime scene technicians some much needed expert help in examinations of car trunks and other potential crime scenes? I hope this comes to pass.
annals–you think and write so well…I’m often just wordless.
Like you, I caught Blink being a little coy with her “stiffed the court reporters” comment. Waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I’m too lazy (and have too much ADD) to go to law school–those folks are serious brainiacs. Excepting Master Baez who is so insecure and in love with himself to practice the way of Lady Justice.
I think it was the Tennesee depositions that Cheney Mason said that they had a cost agreement for the transcripts at the Fla rate, and recently the Judge received a letter from the owner of the Stenography Agency that was never the case and that his firm feels the defense misrepresented that issue to the JAC. (para)
B
Hello Blink & Blinkers. I am wondering about Casey’s Body language. When Dr. Vass made his testimony at a crucial moment of his accounts (when he steped back due to the very strong smell he tested from the car), Casey made really big eyes and looked down to the table. Like when you watch someone when caught by lying. Is she that transparent? Because we know unofficialy for sure she had little sweat heart Caylee in the trunk of that car. And she reacted that strong when her mind is confronted to this fact. Where i want to come is ; i remember another event when i wondered about her reaction? That was when her parents came to visit her in Jail and her mom told her that people were guessing what happened to Caylee and that some of them supposed that Caylee drowned in the pool. Does someone remember ? ( sorry for not telling you the date of this visit i would have to hear them all again to tell you) if you remember didn’t you wondered about her reaction then? So transparent almost like by the hearing of Mr Vass. Sorry for my english and sorry Blink for not backing up the date of jail visit.
I must correct myself: “because we unofficialy Know for sure” is not correct .” We all assume strongly” is better:)
Dominic Casey to be deposed this afternoon….
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/march/224132/Casey-Anthony:-Private-eye-hired-by-defense-faces-questioning?cid=rss
Now that is a deposition I would LOVE to be at.
B
ME TOO!
Blink, this question is directly for you.
You mentioned in either an article, or in a response to someone else in this forum that “Work product” differs from “discover”. So, to that end I noticed that nothing has come out about fingerprints, or latent prints on the duct tape, but going through some of your old comments I saw you say “there are prints on that tape”. Also wondering if the chloroform issue could be a byproduct of the death/decaying process itself? If I am not mistaken, the body does create some chemicals (chloriform being one of them)…or are the levels of chloroform discovered so much stronger that we know chloroform was used to aid the death of Caylee? I am not certain what other test results have not yet been reported…can you remind us what tests you know are still outstanding? Or would that be giving too much away?
NaNa-
Fair question, very, very broad answer, will cover as soon as I can.
I will say this, it is my personal opinion and I have written on this previously, that the chloroform was dumped in the trunk AFTER it was cleaned to reach the level of concentration that Dr. Vass had never seen in 22 years.
B
“discover” = “discovery”
chloriform = chloroform
Need to spell/grammar check before posting