Casey Anthony NOT Guilty Of Murdering Caylee Anthony Guilty of Lying To LE
Orlando, FL- 10 days shy of 3 years after the smell of decomposition in her pontiac sunfire prompted her Mother to shriek through a 911 call that something “was wrong” Casey Marie Anthony has been acquitted
She has been convicted of providing false information to a law enforcement officer only
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Did I hear the county attorney say they have 11 other child murders in Orange Co to deal with?
You know Blink, something can be taken from this. I think it can be seen through the looking glass as a window to our own lives. Tomorrow isn’t guaranteed, we’re not even promised our next breath. It can be a teachable moment to see our own loved ones, our own ‘little Caylees’ in our families and lives, and make every moment and breath count with the fullest of our hearts until God calls us home
Not having the appropriate verdict on KC and knowing where to go with my confusion I have spent the last few hours wanting to blame someone. I wondered from the beginning about the prosecution definitively stating that Caylee died by chloroform and suffocation by the duct tape w/out a COD and premeditation w/the DP w/out more clarity/finesse on motive. But I also know they did an amazing, heartfelt job……So I began to wonder what ‘reasonable doubt’ really meant and how juries are charged with this and our expectations of what this really means varies enormously. Which led to how many people confuse ‘a shadow of a doubt’ with reasonable doubt. And how very different they are, how most don’t bother with understanding the distinction…. Ugh.
Which led me to see how ‘reasonable doubt’ is a philosophical concept and one thats meaning can be extremely difficult to define and pin down. So how is it that we charge juries with this as if it is something an average or ‘reasonable’ person can grasp? Especially and I know this sounds snobby or elitist, but if one doesn’t possess a particularly well rounded education-if not a legal background.
So I researched what would be considered a ‘reasonable person’ b/c in schools of thought, reasonable doubt is based on ‘reasonable’ persons…. and to my horror found some of the following and I paraphrase and combine from sources:
The reasonable person standard holds that each person owes a duty to behave as a reasonable person would under the same or similar circumstances.
It requires a reasonable person to be appropriately informed, capable, aware of the law and fair minded. In certain situations the reasonable person may do something extraordinary but that whatever that person does or thinks must be always be reasonable.
(Reasonable doubt was introduced in 17th century as a counter measure to a neighbor passing the ‘wrong’ judgment on another and being subject to eternal hell by God for this.)
This reasonable person concept is very scary to me. If this is true, then are we to think that this seated jury in this trial would be as nuts as KC? To think that each jury member would need to be as “reasonable” in their personhood in equal measure to KC????? If this is the case, then of course they would find her not guilty!!!! Correct me please if someone can help me with this, but wouldn’t that mean since the jury found her not guilty, that the jury members would have done what KC did in her circumstances?
Did our Constitution really count on our court system being covered by 24/7 by the media, profiting obscenely on murder cases, turning defendents into celebs, having the general public participating online, on TV in being CSI’s, playing as lawyers, judge, jury? Most people, including me, don’t have an educated, sophisticated understanding of the law, and yet think they do. Some of these jurors had-to me-unaverage brushes with the law, and some really questionable behaviors. How educated is the average person? Many people have great technical skills and are specialized in their fields, and don’t possess philosophical, historical, and psychological knowledge that I personally think the founders, Supreme Court justices presume or expect us to have. IDK. I’m grasping to understand how this occurred. Help please.
Aren’t we over our heads and all participating in more than we can bite off? JMO. Thanks for the place to vent my befuddlement.
Survivor, you would make an incredible prosecutor. Can you go for it?
FWIW, Just remembered something . . .
She is a CONVICTED FELON with SIX FELONY CONVICTIONS and permanently has that status.
PS Blink thanks for this site, the work you do, and for giving “we the people” back our voice. Most of all, this is about the only place to go where you are the victim’s advocate first. In a strange way, the real justice Caylee deserves – that ALL other(s) who were involved in many ways – could just be starting.
I’m starting to believe the 5th amendment should not apply in limited circumstances for a parent where there is unexplained sudden and (especially) unreported death of a young child in their immediate custody.
I never thought I’d recommend waterboarding, but I’m rethinking it….. ((((sorry))))
The child is too vulnerable. The child is too vulnerable. The child is too vulnerable.
sorry (((((((Blink)))))) ……heart sick.
Geez 36.seh, your comments seem uninformed, innappropriate and frankly callous. I have one comment for you. Christine Sheddy……look it up and then try to remove your foot from that undisclosed location where you’ve unceremoniously placed it. I’ll be looking for your apology to Blink afterward.
How can an alternate juror say they all did not believe George. I thought they were not allowed to talk about it to each other. So why would an alternate know? If the jurors didn’t follow JP’s orders, could there be another trial?
There was a case where a guy was being accused of drowning is wife in the tub, he was found guilty, but when the judge found out that some jurors did not follow the rules and law, they held another trial.
Blink, thanks for everything you’ve done on this case and all the hard work you’ve done for little Caylee. Your heart was and still is in the right place.
The josie posting on this page isn’t me. I can’t take credit for those posts. I am the original Josie with a capital J. I’ve always used the same screen name. My only post on this article is at 5:42 PM today and is still hanging for moderation.
Our 6th amendment only mentions an impartial jury–no other requirements.
George KNOWS he didn’t murder this precious child. Cindy KNOWS she didn’t murder this precious child. Roy Kronk KNOWS he didn’t murder this precious child. I don’t know how Cindy and George could ever live with her again. Casey Anthony will offend again. She can’t help it. I just hope no one else dies at her hands.
Blink, I am bedridden at this outcome, I can’t imagine how you must feel.
Love and prayers to my fellow Blinksters.
How many ppl wonder if George will buy another gun, and this time blow his entire family away, before doing himself in?
Tonight I wish for some of Judge Perry’s wisdom. What is going through his mind? Does he feel justice was upheld?
If he could speak candidly, what do you think he would say?
Let’s stop to remember that Caylee is safe and happy in God’s arms. The karma that I wished for (fast and furious) is just about to begin. The Anthony’s (including Casey) lives will once again be unbearable. The jury has to go home. While we may not know who they are, their friends, family and co-workers will. The attorneys will only be remembered for getting that woman who killed her baby off. Do any of you remember any other cases OJ’s attorneys worked on? Would I want to be in any of these other peoples shoes? No. However, I am going to enjoy sitting back and watching karma smack these people over and over again.
Not enough, she needs to be locked away for the rest of her life…
Does anybody think that people against the death penalty had anything to do with this in some way?
Keep your chin-up Blink.
Though she was not convicted by a jury of her peers today, she has been convicted in the WORLD of public opinion. Ten fold.
She will live in constant fear of death threats
Won’t be able to hide her face
She is known to everyone in the world as a murderer.
Kim Kardashian, Demi Moore the list goes on & on- celebrities even hate her.
OJ was acquitted well before the era of social media….he had cheering for his acquittal
All we hear today is shock and dismay.
She may not be paying the traditional way- but rest assure she is & will always be punished.
This is going to be like nothing we have ever seen.
I hate to make light of the situation but do we have an
Over/under on when she’ll do playboy?
Sorry. I couldn’t resist.
((((Solange)))
So I began to wonder what ‘reasonable doubt’ really meant and how juries are charged with this and our expectations of what this really means varies enormously.
I couldn’t agree more…..but I read this before the jury went to deliberations. I felt confident common sense would prevail because of it.
To quote: Whenever the words ‘reasonable doubt’ are used you must consider the following:
A reasonable doubt is not a mere possible doubt…….
I think this may be my new ‘mantra’…….
9.WPG says:
July 5, 2011 at 7:33 pm
George Anthony . . . was it all a ruse with you?
Were you part of the Defense strategy after all?
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Oh, WPG, I have often wondered the same thing. Cindy Too.
@ Peggy
35.-
“I’m shocked at the hostility towards the jury in this case–I don’t blame them for not wanting to talk to the media. ”
Talk ? What would they say ? They knew last night that there would be a verdict today , thats why they showed up all dressed up this morning?…or they didnt have to go over the evidence ,bc they knew them all ?…
I hope they get what they deserve. This is not service to the society. That was a mock justice. Slap at everybody’s face …good mother ? Didnt believe George but believed Bozo ?…Losers with no conscience
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[b]DISORDER IN THE COURT!![/b]
So now we can all leave out 2 yr olds anywhere and party hardy and never tell what happened to Caylee. Someone tell the jurors PLS if there’s water on the grass, house, sidewalk, driveway and there’s no firetruck in sight, it’s safe to assume it rained!
Forever more …
Whenever there is a trial in the news, every talking head will be saying during the verdict watch:
“Well, remember what happened in the Casey Anthony Trial back in 2011. THIS jury could surprise everyone too”
Why wouldn’t even one single juror speak to the media today?
Why didn’t they look at one single piece of evidence?
Why didn’t they ask Judge Perry one single question while deliberating (very unusual in a DP case)?
I think we deserve some answers.
+\- 2 months…gotta pay those attorneys…
I am still in shock. I never expected this outcome. Blink you and all the posters have been so amazing at how much everyone figured so much of this out. Although she will not be in prison her life will never be the same on the ‘outside’.
open the effin can…….
IN RE: 21.noJustice says:
July 5, 2011 at 7:52 pm
How can an alternate juror say they all did not believe George. I thought they were not allowed to talk about it to each other.
Exactly.
Although it has to be said that these people all seem to be particularly obtuse. There is no rational answer for this verdict, which was overly hasty and not deliberated soberly as it warrented. A mistrial or hung jury should have been their tactic for early dismissal and escape from sequestration. Instead, they turned a child’s merciless killer loose on society.
and to 21. peggy says
It’s time for the law to change with the times. Jury service should be a professional occupation that demands education, common sense, ability to reason and apply the law to the circumstance. It should have a pay scale that is commenserate with other legal occupations such as paralegals. Instead, we rely on the unemployed, those who “have free time”, the available, instead of the intelligent and the educated, to make life or death decisions. And verdicts such as today’s travesty are the end result. A monster is set free and only God knows what she will do next.
I have never posted before but feel I must. I have read here for three years. I, too, am shocked and sickened by the not guilty verdict. Justice was not served and it makes me feel like some things are out of control. Evil won today. I need to feel like we can do something to right this wrong.
We can! I challenge each and every one of you to NEVER buy a book, watch a movie, or participate in any other money making scheme that Casey Marie Anthony is involved in. Pass it on to your family and friends. It’s a small gesture but it is at least something. I can’t think of anything else to do to feel like I am righting a wrong. Bad people shouldn’t win, it upsets the balance in my heart.
God speed, Caylee. We all love you.
Welcome. I applaud your post.
B
Hope, Baez kept some funds in escrow for Casey’s tax bill.
This has been a difficult day.There seems to be no logic for the jurors to come to their “not guilty” verdict. In fact, I do not believe there was a significant amount of logic used to reach this conclusion. I say this with sincerity and no animosity to the jurors. I am reading a book by Bill Eddy, LCSW, JD. He is a family lawyer and therapist. His recently published a book, “Splitting,” which focuses on high conflict divorce and the adverse nature of the family court system. He writes about a concept referred to as “peripheral persuasion: persuasion that goes on outside of conscious attention.” (This concept) “has been studied for decades by those involved with advertising, politics, and negotiations (Lewicki, Barry, and Saunders, 2010).” It is an indirect persuasive method by which one’s perception is influenced by the attractiveness of the messenger, the aggressiveness of the messenger, the confidence displayed by the messenger, augmentative behavior, the intensity of their language, and their emotional appeal. Peripheral persuasion can trump factual data. Emotional expression is more contagious than cognitive arguments, especially if there are time constraints. “Only a very aware person or professional can resist (this) peripheral emotional persuasion.” “Recent brain research indicates that the person with the most emotional expressions will dominate a group in the absence of hierarchy (Goleman, 2006). I think peripheral persuasion may have contributed to the not guilty verdict. I think it may have been an influencing factor within the courtroom, particularly during opening statements and closing arguments, as well as within the jury deliberation process. Perhaps jurors need to be given instruction regarding this concept so that they are fully aware of this human fallibility and are better able to participate in a logical rather than emotional sequence of problem solving within their own minds as well as with fellow jurors.
Clearly there is something wrong with the jury. Either they were the stupidest, sorriest bunch of raggedy-assed budget-cutting residents Pinellas County had to offer Judge Perry who rushed through a DP jury selection that analysts felt should take at least one month in ten days (I guess you get what you pay for) or there was some fuckery afoot with them. We may never know but imo it’s one of the two.
This story is not done. Do we have the heart to hear the rest? Do we have the courage to not listen?
Because now there is no date for the ending, no resolution when we turn the page. Do we move on? Do we listen to the jury, and try to understand what happened? Do we hope that Judge Perry proceeds with the contempt charges against Baez? Do we cheer on Zenaida?
Do we turn the channel or turn the TV or computer off when Casey comes on a talk show? Do we buy the books or have the unity to boycott them? Do we let her and those around her profit from Caylee’s death? So many paid attention to this case, and are appalled at this error of impunity. But do we add to the egregioiusness? Do we have the strength to turn away and not listen to her voice, and thus add to the profit?
I can only answer that from me, but I do hope all reflect on your words.
I ask that those reading here ask themselves.
Does anyone know:
Can the State of Florida seek PAYMENT from ICA for the bill they have been footing for her defense??
Could they get a garnishment/lien against any/all “deals” she makes??
We know the IRS is looking for $68,000.00+ from ICA [which she will likely pay off w/her "blood money"] …
SO can the State of Florida get a chunk of it before she gets her hands on it ??
We know since she was not convicted of Caylee’s murder, she can “profit” off of it…
but I surely hope the State could take @ least some of it from her.
AJMHO
KP says:
July 5, 2011 at 6:14 pm
“Did an alternate juror really go to the media and say “they” didn’t believe George or anything else for that matter? As I understand it, an alternate juror would have no idea how “they” felt as he/she was not part of deliberations and the jury has been reminded a zillion times not to discuss the case?!? What the heck. Hopefully, this isn’t true. I have not seen the interview.”
Haven’t seen the interview either, but I hope this raises concerns with all 17 jurors and is brought to the attention of Judge Perry.
The jurors left their notebooks behind as they were sequestered to deliberate . . . did they have their minds already collectively made up before deliberations? What the heck is right.
@eloise
“They didn’t understand the evidence
They wanted to go home.”
DING DING DING DING!!!!!! that’s it in a nutshell.
xoxo’s to you, Blink.
Back at ya
B
Unfortunately, Casey could have 12 felony convictions under her bra straps with little consequence. She and Baez are going to be the two most sought after people in America, come morning, if they aren’t already, and she’ll be in need of nothing for a very, very long time. She won’t have to do any real work. All she’ll have to continue to do is lie, lie, lie before a myriad of cameras and well known talk show hosts. The hardest decisions she will ever have to make will be who will play the starring role in the made for TV movie, and which picture of herself should go on the dust cover of her novel? Sickening.
Baez will of course become her manager, though he’ll have to fight Cindy for the position. Cindy and Casey will throw George out on his ear leaving him penniless, and of course Cindy and Casey will move into some mansion in the Hills and between the two of them they will be accusing George of all sorts of fictitious abuses.
George won’t do the talk show thingy for fear of being questioned about being a child molester, so he’ll be scrambling for a job he’ll have a hard time finding. Maybe he’ll go back to Ohio or land a job as a security guard at Walmart. He may even stay with Shirley or Rick Plesea for a time.
Lee never was of any importance, imo, once Casey came along. He’ll just fade away into the nothingness that he always felt he was, but there is still hope at the end of the tunnel. Once a sociopath always a sociopath, and we will see her face back in court again, as surely as O’Jay Simpson lives and breaths.
Rest in peace, baby girl. You will always have us.
Alternate #14
When you told Vinnie Politan that the duct tape was there because that is how they buried their pets……..ahhhhhh yea……ok…. so….ahhhh….ok…….
First time poster…..I have not seen this brought up before, but something to think about…..research shows that if women with crisis pregnancies, especially teenagers and young women, are pressured into making a decision they don’t want to make (abortion, adoption, or keeping the baby when they don’t want to) that there will be difficulties in one way or another. Casey should have been allowed to put Caylee up for adoption like she reportedly wanted to. Cindy pressured Casey to do what Cindy wanted, not what was best for the baby. Although this does not excuse what happened, I think it was at least somewhat of a contributing factor in what eventually happened.
@WPG says:
July 5, 2011 at 8:46 pm
KP says:
July 5, 2011 at 6:14 pm
“Did an alternate juror really go to the media and say “they” didn’t believe George or anything else for that matter? As I understand it, an alternate juror would have no idea how “they” felt as he/she was not part of deliberations and the jury has been reminded a zillion times not to discuss the case?!? What the heck. Hopefully, this isn’t true. I have not seen the interview.”
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This alternate juror did a telephone interview with HLN & none of what he said made sense.. Vinnie Politan (HLN) questioned him about his comments & he couldn’t get his answers straight he couldn’t justify his answers..
Each count of lying to police carries a minimum of one year and max of five, per count. HJP could sentence her to 20 yrs. My gut tells me he will give her ten.
I dont believe that all twelve jurors came up with the same scenario. I would rather have a hung juror.
INjustice was served up to Caylee Marie Anthony today on a silver platter. I’m disgusted beyond words.
IMO, this jury did not want to be there from the get go, missed 2 holidays already, and just wanted to get home and back to their lives. They knew that if they found her guilty of anything other than lying to law enforcement (which imo they did only to avoid immediate intense and warranted outcry) they would have to spend several more weeks sequestered.
NO WAY IN HELL did these 12 pathetic excuses for human beings take their duty to serve justice seriously. They CLEARLY did not deliberate ALL the evidence. Juror #14- “we think George Anthony lied. We didn’t think there was ever the smell of human decomp in the car”. This, despite THREE people (George, Cindy, and Simon Birch) testifying to it. REASONABLE doubt, my ass.
I hate to say this, but I’velost a lot of faith in our justice system.
WPG says:
July 5, 2011 at 7:48 pm
FWIW, Just remembered something . . .
She is a CONVICTED FELON with SIX FELONY CONVICTIONS and permanently has that status
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WPG,
Interesting….thanks for the reminder. This gives me a small amount of confort. Will this have any bearing on her sentencing for the 4 counts of lying?
Btw,
When the verdict was read for the charge of premeditated murder, did anyone notice the evil ‘I am such a good liar/ I pulled one over on them too’ grin that originally crept across her face before she realized ‘oh, that’s an inappropriate response’. She then quickly closes her mouth tightly, trying hard to not laugh/smirk/smile, then just as quickly switches to tears. Unbelievable.
@ WPG says:
July 5, 2011 at 8:46 pm
It is interesting you mention “jury notebooks”….
The DT, IIRC both jb & CM were asking the Judge about them … it might of been the day they hashed out the jury instructions…[no jury in room] … the Judge said that he would have possession of them & he alone would… but JP also said some jurors had asked to keep “private” journals …
When I heard that I said out loud, “There are a few jurors @ least looking to write a book or more w/those jourrnals”…
IMO but I wonder IF the STATE made inquiries to the Judge, IF JP would look @ them … IMO I also wonder IF the STATE is “looking @ jury misconduct after juror #14 has made those statements ??”
Remember there was a day, I think 1st day of DT case, & JP mentioned IIRC having to be in court early dealing w/jury misconduct ???
What was THAT about & which juror/s ??
IMO but I hope “the private journals were looked @ by the COURT before they were given a pass to take away w/the jury as that high-tailed it outta Orlando” …
All just more questions …
AJMHO
@SOTT:
When the verdict was read for the charge of premeditated murder, did anyone notice the evil ‘I am such a good liar/ I pulled one over on them too’ grin that originally crept across her face before she realized ‘oh, that’s an inappropriate response’. She then quickly closes her mouth tightly, trying hard to not laugh/smirk/smile, then just as quickly switches to tears. Unbelievable.
i saw the same thing. the same thing and it turned my stomach.
@KP says:
July 5, 2011 at 6:14 pm
“Did an alternate juror really go to the media and say “they” didn’t believe George or anything else for that matter? As I understand it, an alternate juror would have no idea how “they” felt as he/she was not part of deliberations and the jury has been reminded a zillion times not to discuss the case?!? What the heck. Hopefully, this isn’t true. I have not seen the interview.”
Haven’t seen the interview either, but I hope this raises concerns with all 17 jurors and is brought to the attention of Judge Perry.
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Here is the alternate jurors interview on video:
http://www.wesh.com/video/28456210/detail.html
I put this travesty out of my mind for the afternoon and carried out errands I had to do. Now that it has had time to sink in, I have come to a conclusion about our system of justice. When we adhere to the LETTER of the law and lose the SPIRIT of justice, things like this will happen. Somehow our society needs to be able to support our laws without allowing the blatantly guilty to drive a truck through the loopholes. We sacrifice the substance of justice by adhering strictly to its form. That’s how this jury’s verdict has been rationalized today. Although Casey’s act of murder is the 800 lb gorilla in the room, the jurists obviously just didn’t see it. I’m just wanting some semblance of an explanation for the inexplicable, I guess.
Oh Blink, I’ve been thinking about this whole mess all afternoon, and still I have no words. I’m just stunned.
You did right by little Caylee, as did so many others here and elsewhere. I thank you for that and so much more. XXOO
RIP Caylee Marie, sweet child of God.
SOTT,
Her being a convicted felon gives me a small bit of comfort, too.
The 6 felony convictions were not allowed into the trial, but that is interesting to think about re the false information to LE sentencing.
Anyone know?
ps
Nancy Grace was good tonight. Recommend the reruns.