NH Girl Celina Cass Body Found in CT River: Police Probe Focuses on Family Home And StepDad Wendell Noyes
West Stewartstown, NH- Celina Cass, 11 year old Canaan Middle School Student and basketball player with a luminous grin, was recovered from the Connecticut River this afternoon.
For nearly a week, the tight knit community of Stewartstown, with a population under 1000, held vigils for the shy tween, while over 100 police and FBI agents dedicated unparalleled manpower to the search for her.
At 10:30 this morning, the remains believed to be that of Celina Cass, were located following efforts to lower the Connecticut River, less than 1 mile from her home.
The sister of Keith and Kayla was removed at 5:30PM EST this afternoon.
Speaking on the condition of anonymity to www.blinkoncrime.com, sources inside the investigation have confirmed that electronic forensic evidence led to Celina’s recovery today.
While Celina’s stepfather, Wendell Noyes, has not been named a suspect in her disappearance and subsequent death, ” Mr. Noyes’s previous mental diagnosis are a clear factor in this case.”
(Editors Note: My quote in response to a request to analyze this case: Wendy Noyes is a creeper. I would not let him look at an enemies kids yearbook. This child went from images of an average child of her age, to a blossoming young lady. If you have anyone in the house, or periphery in the preceeding 72 hours of her disappearance with any sexual issues, or fringe of same, this is your top tier priority. StepMonster is worthy of further conversation, fyi.)
Mr. Noyes has a history of hospitalization, both voluntary and involuntary. In a previous incident involving a former girlfriend and her family, Noyes was arrested, and subsequently hospitalized as a result of an admitting resident finding that he was a paranoid schizophrenic. During the criminal phase of this allegation, Noyes was classified as “Unfit to stand trial.”
Outside the Cass/Noyse residence this afternoon, following the announcement Celina was recovered, Noyse appeared outside screaming and rolling in the lawn, necessitating his most recent psychiatric evaluation.
Requests for a comment or statement from the Cass Family have been unanswered at the time of this publication.
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Short video w/Walter Laro [Celina's grand-father]
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/928119-196/with-video—heres-a-look-at.html
***Someone was asking for the name of former tenant in the [apt] bldg where Celina lived:
===>Melissa Jordan, a waitress at the Spa Restaurant near celina’s home, used to live in celina’s apartment building. Jordan said she wishes she hadn’t moved out so maybe she could have heard something the night Celina went missing<===
Stewartstown Day festivities continue Saturday morning with a parade through town at 10 a.m., in which a float honoring Cass’s memory is expected to be a part of it.
http://www.wcax.com/story/15220348/celina-cass-remembered-at-miss-stewartstown-day-celebration
New Hampshire senior assistant Attorney General Jane Young stuck to her earlier stance that police have not identified anyone as a suspect as yet. The investigating team is analyzing possible suspects and they have not ruled anyone in or out, Young said. However, she said one predictable angle in this investigation will be to investigate reported sex offenders in the area. The official line is that there are no “persons of interest” at the moment, and no arrests have been made.
Investigators have not been able to determine where in the river her body was eventually placed, but early clues seemed to have established that the date of her death, judged by visual evidence, matched with her reported date of disappearance.
The fact that her body was submerged in water for an unspecified number of days may have played a role in the autopsy being inconclusive, the investigators said, but they did not divulge how many days her body was in the Connecticut river.
Police are now waiting for the result of toxicology tests to unlock the mystery behind how Celina died and when. They can’t confirm or deny if the death was a kidnap and murder, or just an accidental drowning. A complete analysis of autopsy results, combined with the toxicology results will throw light into how she died, and this will be crucial in finding out who killed her.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/191428/20110803/how-did-celina-cass-die-autopsy-doesn-t-say-inconclusive-focus-toxicology-results-stewartstown-conne.htm
I sincerely hope that is simply poor reporting, they would absolutely know if Celina drowned.
B
Newswhdh Video w/Adam Laro & family
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/north/12005008632644/biological-father-of-celina-cass-speaks-out/
Here are numerous photos @ LINK –
http://www.norwichbulletin.com/photos/x242973208/GALLERY-Missing-New-Hampshire-Girl
WMUR [NH] News video w/Celina’s father & family:
http://www.wmur.com/r/28735345/detail.html
As other have noted where Celina lived, there are BLANKETS HANGING near the ceiling on the porch to block … ???
How can Celina’s mother come out of her house UNDER a blanket ???
… when Celina is found, reportedly wrapped in her own blanket ???
What happened in that house ??
What happen to Celina & who did this to such an innocent child ??
AMO
My dear sweet Mother, not educated past the 8th grade, told me and my sister on several occasions, “I would kill any man that ever touched either of you” (Meaning inappropriately), “including your father”. I believed her.
I also remember when I began to develop, that my dear Father stopped horsing around with me (not my brothers), wrestling, tickling and so forth…I felt hurt and left out until my mother explained that because I was becoming a young woman, he was afraid that he would hurt me. It’s clear to me today that they both knew that even the appearance of that innocent kind of behavior was inappropriate with a young woman.
Looking back my parents understood so much more than many do today, and neither were well educated.
We all know women who lack the parenting skills necessary to raise and more importantly ‘PROTECT” their children…instead they allow the “man of the moment” to come in and assume the role of “parent” to their children.
As so many of you put it, this is both a generational and cultural problem.
So very very sad and avoidable.
Bringing this over after just reading @ SM:
seahorse
Re: Celina Cass #2 8/3/2011
« Reply #172 on: August 05, 2011, 06:16:58 PM »
I am betting Kevin, is her son, and that creepy WN, are both are culprits, IMO. I found a Kevin M. Cass on a search,think it was on peoplesmart.com “reverse address” (I believe) I typed in Washington street, Cass, (no first name)and to my surprise, Kevin M. Cass, surfaced, the other day. Celina said Kevin is her brother, I believe Celina, more than mom.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=11926.160
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Interesting, anyone else finding Kevin as “brother” to Celina & Kayla ??
Blink~
That was my Q,too.
Where “did accidental drowning” EVER get put as a “possible COD” ??
@Riverpearl says:
August 6, 2011 at 1:14 am
I sincerely hope that is simply poor reporting, they would absolutely know if Celina drowned.
B
Bad reporting, I think trying to depict the homicide vs. accident possibilities.
B
Thanks for all your links Riverpearl.
I am becoming a little concerned about the slow progress this week- wrt an arrest which I felt would have come readily. Hope we don’t have another ‘problem’ here.
B:
Is there any work going on with the servers etc here and at SM? I am having trouble with page loading and weird display- no other places on the web. Just curious.
not that I know of E, I did update a few plugins yesterday, but this is the first I have heard- try clearing the cache or RSS. Let me know, and thanks.
B
Oh man …
bad reporting or whatever — this brings back bad memories of sweet Caylee.
Just as Caylee didn’t ACCIDENTLY die and then duct tap herself, jump into 3 bags and hop down the street to the swamp …
Celina did not wrap herself in a blanket and hop herself down to the dam in the river to ACCIDENTLY drown.
The ME should be able to clearly and quickly make the determination if this child was alive when she went into the water.
If she were alive and breathing at all – there would be water inhaled in the lungs.
Wonder what the autopsy showed as to possible asphyxiation of Celina ?? (??broken hyoid bone, neck bruising, any blood in throat??)
Unlike Caylee, this body was not in the elements for months.
My opinion is that she was probably sexually assaulted and then murdered in that house.
Then her precious body wrapped and dumped in the river by the POS perp in effort to hide his crimes.
Hopefully they know a lot more than is being reported as to the how … and LE and the ME are looking deeper to nail the specific SOB who did this to another poor child.
BabyBear wrote- and Blink responded:
August 5, 2011 at 10:09 pm
One of the townspeople was quoted as saying that Celinas mother always put her girls first. Apparently not to the point of having Celina’s teeth taken care of. To me, this indicates that her care was lax in other areas, too. Imagine how embarrassed she was that her teeth were allowed to be in such poor condition. God bless her and may she rest in peace.
I have to say, that issue has been bothering me tremendously. That said, I recall a pic of her older brother Keith, who also appeared to have little dental care.
B
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BabyBear and Blink-
Please do not think poorly of these or any parent that has a child that has crooked teeth- no matter the severity.
I have worked in schools in lower income/poor neighborhoods. I have seen many preteens, teens and young adults and even their parents with crooked teeth- these parents were very loving and very caring.
They were also very poor- or so poor that they could not afford the luxury of even dental care, let alone the luxury of orthodontists and braces- spacers-or retainers.
Most parents and their children just hope and pray that with time their childs teeth will even out.
Even in moderate to lower income families- dental insurance ect is a luxury- those that do not qualify for medicaid ect- they can not afford braces ect for their children.
I would also caution people from judging parents of children with seemingly bad dental care- – blackened teeth or alot of silver caps ect-
Cavities are not always indicative of parents who allow their children too many sweets ect and not enough brushing… many children are born with not enough enamel on their teeth. This promotes tooth decay- it is a never ending battle to ward off decay- so it is not necessarily due to bad parenting.
Just wanted to offer a different opinion- one that does not necessarily mean neglect or not putting children first.
AJMO
Mom 3.0, I agree that is an excellent perspective. I also should have been more specific and sourced my comment accordingly. I had read earlier that she had some sort of issue with a pulled tooth due to a string, or something, and more notably, the change in her appearance and or smile in her latest FB photo. As an analyst, that is more interesting to me when coupled with the notion that she and her sister were now sleeping on air mattresses, and I see a level of VA benefits I am aware might cover any dental needs she had, as well as the fact that she was scheduled for braces the following week.
I apologize for not being more direct, It may be nothing, but when I am looking at the totality of the situation, it gives me pause.
B
Inexperienced reporting trying to contrast the various manner of death, I think, is the cause of confusion. The reporter may not understand he/she is saying “merely” or possibly an accidental drowning. Instead, I would think the statement should indicate that officials have not confirmed how the young child died and whether she was dead before or after she entered the water.
Perhaps some of you writers could state it more succintly?
Dear Joan,
My father stopped holding my hand while crossing downtown streets in St. Louis when I was about 12. I complained and he held my hand only while in the street.
However, he also did allow his pal (pals?) to invite me to sit on their laps (I may have been younger than 12) at the pool hall (inappropriate venue? yes, but I was one of the boys.) Since I was uncomfortable after barely perching on one knee, I didn’t do it again.
They didn’t seem creepy, I knew I was not destined for that.
I dont know where to put this O/T
Some members of the Navy SEALS team killed in Saturday’s Chinook crash in Afghanistan were based in Hampton Roads. SEAL Team 6 also known as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group is based in Dam Neck, Va.
Navy SEALs killed locally based | WAVY.com | Hampton Roads
http://www.wavy.com
In the Osama thread, but my prayers are with there families.
B
Joan
Your mother and father may have only had an 8th grade formal education, but that does not mean they were uneducated. Someone taught them values and proper behavior. That is an important part of education. In fact, IMO this is probably one of the most important parts of education. Without that, we have a society that becomes dangerous. All the formal education in the world that is minus proper values and behavior is IMO worthless.
Good fathers protect their girls and provide good role models for them. Somewhere around ages ten to twelve is where girls are not invited to sit on men’s laps. The girls need to understand the reason why. Mom’s can help with the discussion. Dad’s can make up the difference by always giving the girls a proper hug and telling them how much they are loved.
Ok here is that Boston paper I was talking about the other day.( I hope the first photo that I have linked will be the first for you to see.) It is of a Det standing, taking photo of what appears to be Noyes truck. Note green trash can.
http://www.bostonherald.com/galleries/index.php?gallery_id=5595&p=0
Mom3.0
I agree with your assesment about the lack of dental work and the reasons why. In my generation, few had good dental care. Parents simply did not have money to spend for orthodontal care. Cavities sometimes were allowed to get big for the same reason.
It seems to be a keep up with the Jones thing with a lot of mothers in our present society. One of the things that I always watch when teaching brass instruments to sixth grade beginners is their dental development. Moms often think that by the time the girs are in seventh grade it is time for them to get braces.
My own girls went though the same thing. Mother insisted because the dentist told her it should be done. Most of the time, it is too early because the teeth have not reached adult size and many require another round because of it.
I’ve just discovered this blog and thank everyone for their postings. The compilation of these details demonstrates just how awful a life this poor child and her sister endured. You could see sadness in Celina’s eyes. When her basketball coach spoke out on WMUR, I got the feeling the coach knew darn well what Celina went home to after school every day. I have two comments. The first, it’s reported that the stepdad was the last to see Celina when he said goodnight to her at 9PM. He said she was in her bedroom on the computer. That’s what he says but is it true? I read somehwere that the last posting on Celina’s fb page was Thursday prior to her disappearance. The second point is, I pray to God, that her older sister Kayla has been removed from the family? Does anyone know where she is living?
On the “blanket” issue, this family does seem to feel comfortable covering their faces in blankets, shielding their windows with them, and perhaps, just perhaps, concealing dead bodies with them. They are regular “Linuses” with the blanket thing. Someone on this forum who knows the procedures please comment here: wouldn’t LE, as part of their investigation upon recovering the body, have interviewed all family members (separately I am guessing) as to whether the particular blanket in which Celina was wrapped had been a part of their household? In other words, was this blanket familiar looking to anyone? Was it now missing from the house? If so, wouldn’t that help enormously to establish the crime scene?
Re the blanket. For some reason, I have ‘felt’ that the blanket was from her bed. No facts to base this upon. I recall early on, that the Aunt had said, it appeared like Celina had slept in her bed. Where this bed was, now that we have heard other theories on the sleeping arrangements, I don’t know.
Judge Jeanine is discussing Celina. Watch out, Cword is due to come on later, so you have to be ready with the clicker.
Assistant AG Jane Young said that “one predictable angle in this investigation will be to investigate reported sex offenders in the area.”
This rules out drowning unless she was drowned by the bad guy. Unfortunately it also confirms a sexual element to the crime. There are certain ways in particular crimes that water disposal works in helping preserve DNA. I hope this is the case here.
If this poor wee Girls body was in the river for a week it must have been weighted down,Dint they have to lower the level of river an utilise divers to recover it,QTR MILE from her abode,If not weighted it would have been floating an traveled ouite a distance on the currants in a week .Also a boater or fisherman people searching along riverbank would have spotted a floating body even a drowned body will rise after a day or so when gasses bring it to surface,,,
Eloise says:
August 6, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Read that too. They were from the same covert, BUT, the deaths were not the actual Seals involved in Geronimo. Will post on Obama thread too.
-snipped-
The majority of the Navy SEALs who died belonged to the same covert unit that conducted the raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May, though they were not the same men, the military official said.
@ Joan
Your post moved me. It goes to show that love, wisdom and values take you far in life. You can get a degree but you can’t pass that on to your children. Thank you for sharing and giving me lots to consider. I’m always looking for ways to be a better mother, woman, wife…human being.
@ concerned citizen
Welcome to BOC! Great first post. I wish I could answer your question about Kaylee’s saftey. Perhaps a simple google search or reading on various news sources can provide that info.
~Love and light~
Iiiii yi yi
Not OBAMA thread…repeat NOT OBAMA. That one letter does me in every stinkin time.
@ ATG
BIG CANADIAN BEAR HUG to you! I cannot begin to express how grateful I am to you for sharing your life perspectives with us. Parenting is so complicated. There’s not a moment where I’m I’m not thinking…’ok, now I’ve done it. I’ve ruined my son’s life..foreverrrrrrrr’. If it wasn’t for talking to other parents and realizig we all share similar fears, I’d be a chunk of guilt the size of Australia. I wish you’d write Parenting for Dummies! I’d be the first to buy, have it signed AND start up your fan club.
God bless you, my dear friendy.
Ok, I have been staring at this too. Klass blew it up, what do you all think it is? My hubby doesn’t think it looks like a winch, if not, what else?
Re: Celina Cass #2 8/3/2011
« Reply #264 on: August 06, 2011, 09:47:30 PM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=11926.260
It is a winch/cable and I suspect it was a tether for the diver in the water. If you look at the pics to the above left, the area is already staged for recovery and the CST techs are in place.
They knew she was there and I see that winch in the images where she is being removed in the basket. I apologize for being graphic, but I suspect she was tied to weights or weighted in some fashion if she was in that water for a week, she would have surfaced if not.
B
If Celina and Kayla were sleeping in the basement on air matresses, and the step father reported her in the bedroom on the computer as the last time he saw her, in what room is the computer located.?
Is the computer in the bedroom on the main floor of the house where the new tenant was sleeping?
This is IMO going to be a long investigation. Too many people to clear.
Concerned Citizen
Your comment about the basketball coach is right on the mark. She knew that things were not right in that home, but she kept out of it or so we think.
Ragdoll-
Canadian slip? lol (wink)
O/T
I am grateful it was not our hero’s, it saddens me, as that group is from my immediate area and I wonder if I know anyone affected directly. So sad, I wonder if it was intentional wrt to that mission?
Tx B, there definitely was confusion as to when that photo was taken in relation to the recovery events. How much weight would be needed in such a situation? Would 1 or 2 blocks be sufficient or how does one figure that out? TexasGF?
Why was Celina’s mother in a wheelchair at this vigil?
http://www.colbsent.com/stories.php
Also, I read that Celina was just going to enter the 5th grade. Is that right?
Bizarre, but I had read that she was in the hospital the first day or something due to “stress”.
I’m sorry, but I have serious concerns about this lady at the moment.
B
lizzy says:
August 7, 2011 at 11:20 am
Why was Celina’s mother in a wheelchair at this vigil?
http://www.colbsent.com/stories.php
Also, I read that Celina was just going to enter the 5th grade. Is that right?
Bizarre, but I had read that she was in the hospital the first day or something due to “stress”.
I’m sorry, but I have serious concerns about this lady at the moment.
B
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Ugh-oh. Maybe there are just too many possibilites for LE. I guess we need to hope for DNA from someone.
Well, here is some entertainment for you B. This should not be at all funny, but the comment section had me howling. Once again people of America are left standing with their mouths hanging open.
http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1356970&format=comments&cnum=2
~ snip~
Louisa Noyes sat in a metal folding chair on a flatbed trailer, flanked by photos, flowers, hand-drawn posters, and even several local girls — including Celina’s older sister — wearing Celina’s prized princess costumes.
FTLOG, who thought that was a good idea? So utterly inappropriate I am speechless.
B
Remember all….we are bound by law to report abuse of any type to Dept. of Children’s Services. Call, document and follow up. You will be glad you did even if one single incident is stopped in its tracks. It is hard to make a call that we know may mean a child is removed from a home, but it may end up being the child’s greatest blessing. I am writing these words from an educator’s view…we are with children longer than some parents on most days. Thank you all.
Blink- no need to apologize- I understand the points that both you and Baby bear were making- I agree with you when everything is taken into account the totality of the situation does not paint a pretty picture.
- I am sorry if I made you feel like you needed to explain your comment Blink-I know you nor anyone who posts here, would make assumptions based upon appearances alone.
I just needed to share my experiences- I didnt want anyone- looking at a kid with bad teeth and immediately start questioning the parents skills and/or love & care.
Believe it it or not as a teacher getting a smile from one of those children who are obviously ashamed of their teeth- was one of the greatest show of appreciation I ever received. Now years later, when I look back -those childrens smiles are the ones that I remember best.
Heartwarming and beautiful.
Celina had an unforgettable smile,-luminous, as you wrote-
That is the smile that will tear at our heartstrings years from now- and we will never forget the beautiful child behind that smile, Celina. That is the smile that will haunt someone till the end of time.
TGF, thank you kind sir- for sharing your thoughts on this issue. I am truly amazed at how well spoken and kind and insightful you are. I know when I read a post from you, I will inevitably walk away learning something new, and I will have a greater appreciation of my fellowman. Thank you.
AJMO
Nope, it was needed, I was thinking like an investigative analyst, and your perspective is entirely relevant and important. On it’s own, I have to agree with you.
B
@ Eloise says:
August 7, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Great links mon ami!
A float is appropriate for a parade and that’s about it. Let’s put the dramatic diversions aside and remain focused on who failed this precious girl. We’re holding you very much accountable.
@ Riverpearl
Thank you so much for your links. God bless your generous spirit XO.
I’m grateful Celina’s body was retrieved so quickly, unlike Caylee’s. I want so much for Celina to have the justice Caylee was entitled to.
Waiting with bated breath for Warren Steed (yes, that is his middle name….hurlage in my mouth) Jeffs sentencing.
Pressing forward with y’all <3
Eloise
How to answer your question about the floatation capacity of a human body in regard to weight is tough. I have see photographs of a motorcycle being floated by the body of a man. The guy was a huge person and the bike weighed over 500 lbs.
I don’t know if any studies have ever been made in this regard. In the case of Celina, I would think at least one hundred lbs with weights that did not have much surface area. The real lift capacity is dependent upon the amount of gas that is held in the body during the bloat stage.
There is much more to this than these simple answers. Sorry everyone, I tried to hold this into an area of the least amount of graphical detail.
Blink
Your assesment of the behavior of the girls in the community is based on your knowledge of good appropriate behavior. These are children that have been allowed to express grief and honor to their friend in the way they understand. They wanted to make a parade for Celina, but didn’t really know the right thing to do. Adults should have made suggestions, but apparently they did not. One has to know appropriate behave for a situation in order for it to happen.
All of this only reinforces your assesment of the mother in regard to behavior that you made to Lizzy.
E I missed your question to ATG, having extensive and recent education on the subject, body weight has little to do with the issue of “surfacing” in a water environment situation if someone is weighted per se.
There are many variables as to depth, temperature, tide or current, but more than anything, it has everything to do with decomposition of an intact corpse and the method to which it is placed in the water. Outside of containment of non-porous means, remains, albeit not necessarily an entire person, are going to surface in this body of water, eventually.
B
All the comments about Celina’s terrible life and her uncaredfor teeth are completely unfounded. From all reliable reports I’ve seen, she led a very happy life, as does her sister. If you know anything about orthodontics, you would realize that in cases like Celina’s, more often than not, corrective action is not taken until the jawbone is completely developed. It is my understanding that she had received dental care and she was scheduled to have braces put on in a couple of weeks.
That is utter rubbish. My brother in law is an orthodontist, and I can assure you, corrective action in some cases starts in stages at the age of 9. I do agree that I do not profess to know her specific situation in that regard.
Your making misrepresentations. You will not find a statement on my site that says Celina “had a terrible life”, however, you will find plenty that question why an 11 year old child gets booted from her bedroom and sleeps on an air mattress in her bedroom, and why her Mother, of questional mental faculty herself, marries a man with Noyes issues and allows access to her children.
I suspect we will learn a great deal about this young lady’s life in the coming weeks.
B
Eloise says:
August 7, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Well, here is some entertainment for you B. This should not be at all funny, but the comment section had me howling. Once again people of America are left standing with their mouths hanging open.
Obviously, you do not understand life in a small New England community.
Inappropriate is not logistical.
I note Wendell was not in attendance unless I missed him rolling down the street afterward.
B
There is absolutely no basis for saying Celina’s body was in the water for a week. It could have been in there for only a day.
I disagree, I have read the AG comments that the autopsy was consistent with the date that she went missing. She was last reported seen on July 25th and recovered August 1st.
B
Ragdoll
Thanks for the kind words. I know a lot about being a parent. Please don’t think that I never made mistakes. There is no instruction manual that arrives with the birth of a child. We all have to do the best that we know how to deal with each one of them.
All children are individuals and as different as snowflakes. What works with one will certainly not work 100 per cent with another. The most important thing is to be able to communicate with them on a level that they can understand. The other thing is to let them know how much they are loved, even when they do something less than smart.
Your a good mentor, ATG, but I suspect you did not need me to tell you that.
B
Tip: google the word mentor
In total agreement with blink & others dismay over the float ect-
I understand their need to “move forward” and I understand wanting to give the children something better to focus on…
but how is it a good thing to rush to put together a float, a float dedicated to the memory of Celina- with pictures of her ect- how is it a good thing to encourage the mother and sister of the victim to get up on that float along with other children and parade them thru town?
What if there is a killer out there? What if there is a kidnapper out there? Wouldnt they think its great to see the pain they caused, wouldnt they think it is great to see her sister and the other children displayed right along side pics of his victim?
What if they find out that the mom/sister/family hid what happened to Celina? What if they find out someone in that home, hurt Celina, or cleaned up a horrible accident or other, & then disposed of her body?
What do they tell those children who were on that float then? What do they tell those children in the crowd that clapped and watched them go by – all to “honor” Celinas memory
- oops – sorry kids we should have never have put mom and sis on a pedestal and we shouldnt have allowed those other children to participate either- just forget we ever had that float okay….
Bad idea- all the way around-
Celinas family, I think may need the help of some grief counselors- and whomever thought it was a good idea to expose them to the town basically gawking at them- while they try to come to grips with the situation- should be ashamed of themselves.
And the children in town should be sad, they should be allowed to grieve, and they should see others grieving, it IS a small town- everyone knows everyone right? They should all be grieving and wo0ndering why… even if that means that they dont have as much fun at the fair.
I think at the very least, before everyone “moves forward” they should know where the investigation stands, and what it could mean for the town and their own children-
AJMO
It absolutely amazes me how many people are ignorant to the fact that sex offenders must register their addresses and that information is public. Although my children are grown, I check every month or so just to see who’s living in my neighborhood. I volunteer on political campaigns and canvass rural areas. When I was greeted by a man pointing a rifle in my face because I had a Democratic sticker on my jacket, I decided I better know who I’m approaching.
You can be sure life will only get dramatically worse in the poor communities of NHs North Country. The Tea Party budget that passed stripped all services to the most desperate people. One legislator actually suggested sending mentally ill people to Siberia. Can you believe it? NH was named the safest state to live in but boy oh boy, the crimes that are committed are blood curdling. So we’re not that safe at all.
NO WAY. This is not a political forum and never will be. If it was, I can assure you, you would need to research just who has passed and rejected what legislation that ALLOWS RSO’s the freedom they have in NH.
B
I can’t believe the Boston Herald stooped to the double entendre head line “Moving Tribute.” I’m disappointed in their judgment.
http://www.wcax.com/story/15222406/celina
I think the news video at the link above tried a little harder to be respectful, despite the twilight zone circumstances. I think it is worth watching for a little insight into the community, and a few pictures I haven’t seen elsewhere.
@ A Texas Grandfather, You are correct in that one must know what appropriate behavior is before they can display such. While living in the North Country, I had reported a home that had no running water, parents were always drunk and children smelled like feces. The response I received from the child case worker after her investigation was: “Their standard of living may not be up to YOUR standard, but I find your concerns unfounded”…. I was invited to a Christmas Eve party while 8 months pregnant, no food offerred, no non-alcoholic beverages, just a group of people around a table drinking beer. At a pig roast, prostitutes were in attendance sucking face w/ the ugliest logger men in the world. One of the areas wealthies businessmen was also in attendance.
That float idea is about the worst idea I have ever heard of, but I could write a book on all of the bizarre things I encountered. I finally left, after a warning that someone was going to kill me….after I reported illegal activity. So, I fled one day, very quickly. Afterwards, I found out most people in town knew what was going on, but me. I now know why no one else ever said a thing. Then they saw me lose everything in one fell swoop and have the police turn on me. Only in the North Country…
I hope while the FBI is there they do some house cleaning. I know there are some very good people there as well, I do try to be sensitive, but where the heck was any person with common sense??? I am just completely horrified at parading a grieving mother through town on a float after her child was murdered!!
Blink, I lost your email, could you please send me a test message?
Add http to link please.
I think that Louisa N chose to help create, and then ride on this horribly inappropriate float-all on her own. From what I have read, she was not forced, convinced nor coerced to get on that float and ride through town, supposedly to honor her dead daughter.
The reason she did it we will never know-but I agree with all of you who have stated that it was not right.
I agree with what Blink said:
“FTLOG, who thought that was a good idea? So utterly inappropriate I am speechless.”
B
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“The mom’s participation in the parade was part of her effort to heal, a friend said.
“She wanted to. She needed to,” neighbor and friend Debbie Baglio said later, as children whizzed down Main Street in the festival’s soapbox derby.
The float, a last-minute entry in the Stewartstown Day parade, came together Friday night at the urging of Celina’s older sister, Kayla, 13, Baglio said.”
://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1356970&srvc=news&position=4
Just to agree with Blink, my son is 8 and has orthodontic care, palate expander and now braces, for an underbite. His teeth were straight but the due to his underbite, the dentist and orthdontist feel it is better to start correction now rather than when the underbite caused his teeth to become crooked. That said, I am fortunate enough now to have dental insurance that covers orthodontic care. My oldest of 4 (now 23) could have used braces but I just could not afford them. My next two I paid out of pocket as still didn’t have orthodontic insurance and it was very expensive.
Hi, Concerned Citizen–thanks for sharing. We all have a lot to learn about our own safety and how to recognize potential danger. It takes a lot of work!
Please read The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker. If possible, put your initials in the front cover and pass it on to someone else who will do the same. Talk about safety and how we make our decisions in life.
Expose the urban myths for what they are! That’s not politically correct, you know. Let people know the statistics and probabilities–the absolute predictability of (close your ears now)FRICKING danger.
Peace be, little C.
Sage, and sage some more. TY Word Girl.
B
Hi, bstnh1, and thanks for joining us here.
The combined life-experience on this forum is about a zillion years, so
it’s kind of important to try to get facts and impressions right before posting. (Yes, I’ve been clobbered plenty over the years!)
For example, when I read your comment about the jaw development, I thought that might be a bit outdated or misunderstood orthodontia. My 5-year-old did a face-plant on the cobbled streets of Italy and those kind country folk were very concerned to get him started right away in some corrective gear! Our US pediatric ortho said to wait a couple years which is when he started the multi-year correction process.
Also, I promise you that many of us have lived in small towns(some still do)and have participated in the same sorts of parades. I completely understood going forward with the Day and for memorializing
it for Celina. Yet, it also would have been accepted and understood if
the family didn’t take part.
(In my case, at one 4th July parade, watchers passed word that Mrs. P. wouldn’t be riding with the marshal because her face was swollen with her cancer steroids…we understood, because we knew.)
One thing I don’t know, and perhaps you can help: is this a “get back up on that horse and ride again after you’ve fallen” or “we’re tough as nails here” kind of life philosophy? I don’t really get it.
I hope you’ll continue to contribute here, bstnh1.
bstnh1 says:
August 7, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Obviously, you do not understand life in a small New England community.
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Well, I may or I may not.
I am sorry if I offended you, but yes, I think most people here are rather confused about the message being sent in the aftermath of Celina’s death. I can’t say her Mom looked like she was feeling healed during the float ride.
I also can’t say that I have seen this form of public grieving before, maybe if you were to share your perspective and those of the town’s, we can learn something from it. Everyone here is appalled and grieving the death of an innocent young girl. There are some things that have come out in the reporting that raise an eyebrow or two, the truth remains to be seen.
How have you come to know how long Celina was or was not in the water?
Mom3.0
Your post about the children that are ashamed of their smile because of their teeth and the joy you felt when one of them was so moved by what you were saying or doing to give a smile to you is priceless.
I too have taught children that would cover their mouth when they spoke because they percieved that they did not have pretty teeth. Crooked and filled with cavities. Their families did not have dental insurance or funds to help them.
When I was a young person, it was not uncommon for concerned adults in a church to quietly gather the money for the care of such a childs needs. The parents were given the money without any others knowing about it.
Blink & ATG,
Thanks for entertaining my unpleasant question. I was trying to figure how one might wager their effectiveness if you know what I mean. How practiced or planned this may have been. With all the reading I have done, I wouldn’t have a clue.