Karen Swift Missing: Clothing Found Is Hers, David Swift Lawyers UP, Mr. Yuk Hogshooter Is A Doppelneighbor
Dyersburg, TN- Missing Mom Karen Johnson Swift’s disappearance is looking more and more like whatever fate the well-liked fitness buff encountered, happened very close to her home on Willie Johnson Road.
David Swift, Karen’s estranged husband, has told police Karen left the home at approximately 1:30 am the morning of October 30th after an earlier jaunt to retrieve the couple’s youngest daughter from a planned Halloweenfest sleepover.
Karen attended a Halloween soiree at THE FARMS golf club earlier in the evening dressed as cat-woman; her costume was found in her unlocked and abandoned car.
According to the Dyersburg Country Club by laws, regardless of handicap all attendees turned into pumpkins by midnight that evening so it is not likely Karen was headed back there. Reports of her leaving the family residence at that hour are based solely on her husband’s last exchange with her.
Swift filed for divorce from David on October 1oth. The couple had been divorced and remarried to each other previously.
David, a former Columbia Forest Products employee, is an independent business owner in the aerosol packaging field and Karen has been developing a horticulture business as “The Yard Lady“.
While Mr. Swift has refused all requests for comment by the media, he is also now refusing to speak to investigators and has referred all inquiries to his recently retained attorney.
Mr. Swift was observed in his driveway after he returned from an interview with DCSO in the first days of the investigation on crutches.
Mr. Swift underwent emergency surgery for a torn patella tendon in April of 2011 but by all accounts has long since recovered from the injury sustained at his daughter’s soccer field.
Speaking on the condition of anonymity, sources inside the investigation have confirmed to www.blinkoncrime.com that David Swift refused to allow a search by consent of the couple’s 5 acre property after the first meeting where he allowed officers to look throughout the home for purposes of confirming Karen was not there.
Following discovery in a overgrown area included in the search grid and submission to the state crime lab, the Dyer County Sheriff’s Office (DCSO) prioritized a pair of jeans and gray zip-up requesting expedited results.
The source goes on to say those items have been identified through test results of mitochondrial DNA to belong to Karen Johnson Swift. The match was made from a sample comparative from Karen’s mother.
It is believed there are additional items that may belong to Karen that have been recovered- however, the forensic results necessary to confirm her positive association are pending.
During the topical search of the Swift home which did not include crime scene processing, the Swifts’s two young daughters spent time at the neighbors home.
Jennifer Lamb kept the Swift girls while police were at the Swift home interviewing their father with the intention of locating Ms. Swift.
In a seemingly inexplicable coincidence, both the Lambs and the Swift’s uploaded an image of a rainbow appearing overhead of the two homes spanning over 10 acres, the very day Dave Swift was served his divorce papers.
Marty Lamb, on his way to work at Nucor early Sunday morning, pulled in behind Karen’s white Nissan Murano and “flashed his lights” , only to learn she was not in her car. With no sign of foul play, Lamb assumed Swift returned the short distance to her driveway with no cause for alarm and continued his commute.
DCSO has reported that Karen Swift’s car had a flat tire and has been impounded for crime scene technician processing. What has not been addressed publicly is how the tire came to be flat in the first place.
Karen’s 2004 Murano is equipped with an electronic tire pressure monitoring sensor and she always backed down the nearly 200 foot driveway. As their was no evidence of a tire blowout, nor could she have been traveling at a high rate of speed, this editor questions how she could have missed a flat tire getting into the car in a well lit driveway in the first place, followed by missing the alarm signal and light on her dashboard. Swift’s car was found across from the home of John Hogshooter at 310 Harness RD.
Hogshooter Not Hogtied
John E. Hogshooter, in court yesterday on aggravated animal cruelty charges stemming from an alleged incident reported on October 7 by David Swift, was granted bond.
Prior to Mr. Hogshooter’s brief incarceration, his vehicle was impounded and processed for any possible evidence relating to Karen Swift’s disappearance. Nothing of forensic significance was found and the truck was returned to the former Dyer county Ervin softball coach.
In contrast to Mr. Swift’s refusal to allow LE to search his adjacent property, Mr. Hogshooter allowed his home and property to be searched voluntarily.
Hogshooter is alleged to have poisoned the Swift family dog as well as an as yet un-named neighbors pet who died as a result.
Within the complaint filed by David Swift, he states that he watched his dog walk onto the Hogshooter property and upon return, became ill.
A medication was administered by the Vet to counteract whatever the dog may have ingested and JackBoots was returned to the family the next day.
JackBoots, dog rescue of the Swift family, has a scannable chip implant that emits a low level frequency signal detectable by a scanner, or radio frequency identification (RFID), so it is possible to isolate for investigative purposes.
Doppelneigbor – the blinkipedia
(noun) Neighbor who is a ringer for the neighbor who is a person of interest.
These gentleman’s issues may have infinite degrees of separation- Siberian even, but how uncanny is it that they resemble each other to the point of fooling CCTV resolution?
Check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates
Images courtesy family photos, processing courtesy of Klaasend
Jacqueline Beaufort contributing editor
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This article http://www.abc24.com/news/local/story/TBI-Steps-Up-Search-For-Missing-Dyersburg-Mom/mHH1jSHbmk2DiFD9aEpxCw.cspx?rss=59
states that LE was allowed to search the home (although there has been ample opportunity to clean up).
The TBI mobile unit was on site yesterday, Swift did not have a choice, they got a warrant.
B
Blink: ML in an interwiew with WREG
Quote:(Dyersburg, TN 112/2011) Marty Lamb was driving to work around 5:30 AM Sunday when he found Karen Swift’s car with a flat tire on Millsville Road in Dyersburg. He says he didn’t call police because he didn’t think anything of it.
“I noticed it was her vehicle so I pulled in behind it and shined my lights, and I could see that she wasn’t in her vehicle,” said Lamb.
He figured she just walked home since she lives around the corner on Willie Johnson Road. Later that day he found out the mother of four is missing.
“My wife kept their two younger daughters while he was talking to the cops and trying to figure out where she was at,” said Lamb.”
Blink does he not tell there that he saw the flat tire as it is mentioned that the car had a flat tire at the time he saw the car? Do i Interpret this wrong?
Some of that is quotes and other is a reporter. I have personally never heard him say that he saw her flat tire, live.
B
If he knew in the moment as he saw the car that it had a flat tire
then he had to see it. But he says he pulled back behind the car
with his car and shined his lights into it, he did not say he got out
of his car and walked around Karen’s car and saw a flat tire.
So if he did not step out of his car how would he be able to see
Karen’s Flat tire on the right front side while sitting on the driver side
of his car?
Sorry Blink to write again on this but if he
didn’t see the flat tire at this time would he have not
been more in sorrow about Karen with the car abandoned
on the side of the road without visible motiv and likely then have
informed someone?
Sorry for my English Blink i hope you understand my thoughts.
This is speculation on my part of course, but it is my belief that the car may have been moved to the opposite side of the road after Lamb saw it. LE seems confident the car was headed south originally and crossed the road to rest facing North. It is possible that Lamb just worded his account more “generally” than I like, ie: I saw the car, crossed the road and pulled up behind it.
However, if I am just listening to his statement live, it sounds more to me like he did just pull up behind her and flash his lights. This could also account for the fact that DCSO is trying desperately to get calls about seeing where the car was parked by hunters, etc.
B
Blink if you can hear it then i think you are surely right.
I only red the comments of ML and i have no idea of
who he is and how he means what he says.
If i understand it well Blink with the turns crossing sides of Roads :Karen came from the Harness road
then rode to the right on millsfield Hwy
toward Dyersburg. Then she noticed the flat tire made a U turn and parked the car right side toward and
pointing
Harness Road ( wich is in front of her to the left side across millsfield Hwy.)
ML came from Harness Road aswell saw Karen’s car made the same uturn crossing millsfield Hwy and
pulled behind her.( if he didn’t step out the car he couln’t see the Flat also in this case)
Another thing: Internet on Cell at 5H am. If Karen was kidnapped before 5H00 am then it is
likely the Perp took the phone and used himself the Internet.
But for this case he had to know her passwort to access in her Phone.
And if he was on the Internet maybe he wanted to know if someone was yet
searching for Karen because there were surely activity on the Road and he saw someone
to have seen him. Just speculation but we have to think it all.
So it could really be someone outthere has really wittness him.
(The team) out of the Memphis crime lab responded to the Swift residence today to look for evidence of a crime scene,” said TBI spokesperson Kristin Helm
Dyer County Sheriff’s Chief Investigator Terry McCreight said the family is cooperating with them and voluntarily left the house while agents performed their investigation. Deputies initially searched the house on Sunday after Swift was reported missing.
I love the way they write “cooperating” with them.I guess that’s what
you do when they serve you with a search warrant.12 days later Blink.
Mr. Swift left voluntarily with the kids, and the home was released to him at the completion.
To my knowledge, that is the extent of his cooperation since day 3.
B
Does ABC suck now or what? They didn’t even get the daughter’s age right in this article. They refer to Karen’s daughter as teenage. Everywhere I have read, they are seven and nine years old-not even close to teenage.
Also, this article says that the daughter texted her mom saying, “Mom come get me”, and that they arrived home between 1:30 am and 2 am.
Are the details loosening up, or is this just inaccurate?
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“Box did say one of the last people Karen Swift was in touch with before she disappeared was her teenage daughter. She sent a text message to her mom saying, “Mom come get me.” Authorities say Karen Swift picked up her daughter from a Halloween party. According to investigators, they arrived home between 1:30 a.m. and 2:00 a.m. Sunday, October 30th. Later that morning, Karen Swift was gone.”
http://www.abc24.com/mostpopular/story/TBI-Steps-Up-Search-For-Missing-Dyersburg-Mom/mHH1jSHbmk2DiFD9aEpxCw.cspx
lol I caught that, the teen is their son at school.
B
Sorry I forgot the link:http://www.stategazette.com/story/1783449.html
The more the timeline of getting the daughter from the party, and what time they “allegedly” got home blurs-the more I wonder how accurate ANY of that info is.
It all seems to come mostly from David and probably some from her young daughter.
The 6 am time that her daughter noticed Karen was missing, that I believe, because I read where Karen’s Dad said that Karen always woke the kids at 6 am.
So I’m not surprised by the child waking up and not being able to find her Mommy in the house at 6 am-when she had always been there before. I grieve for Karen’s children.
But the whole rest of the night I question.
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Swift’s father Gary Johnson told ABC that the family is “worried to death,” and that her four children are devastated.
Johnson said, “she had never missed a day since they can remember that she wasn’t there to wake them up at 6 a.m.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57318097-504083/tenn-mother-of-four-karen-swift-missing-since-sunday/
Blink, is there any reported history of domestic violence whatsoever between the Swifts? Where had Hogshooter been? I’m still not sold. Were there any “Molly’s” involved and could of this been a triangle with only two sides in the know of the third?
Yes, there is reported public threats with witnesses that I am not permitted to be more specific about at this time. David did not want this divorce, he was not shy about telling Karen what life was going to be like for her at his doing if she went through with it.
B
Loni
If we were on site, we would certainly have the information needed to produce a by-the-numbers list. That comment was meant to be sarcasim to the deputy or whomever made that post.
There are some LE people who are IMO dumber than dirt, but think they are so much smarter than the average person. This is why they miss so many things during an investigation. I do know some in LE who fit the above description.
If you have been posting here very long, you would know that my family has been involved in LE at many levels. My wife’s grandfather was the Sheriff of Harris County, Texas and our oldest daughter worked in LE and also for the agency that certifies all LE officers in the state.
Your list of events is just the reason that I think this happened in the home. I don’t care how athletic a woman is, she is no match in upper body strength to a man. Especially is this true of an angry man.
The photos of both men possibily involved in the disappearance are solid physical specimens. At age fifty I could lift a weight of over 300 lbs. Can’t do it today, but can still lift well over 100 lbs.
We have some information, although not verified, that there were possible physical confrontations between Karen and her husband. We also do not know if everything was going well with her new man.
Karen, for whatever reason chose to live in the home after filing for a divorce. This is always a mistake IMO. How hard was this going to be financially for her husband?
There are case after case after case where a woman has lost her life for this very reason. A guy looks at what he is going to loose and decides that he is not going to give it up and kills the wife. They always think they can get away with it, but sooner or later they will be caught. The loosers are the entire families.
@Zeus
I hope the parents of the child hosting the sleepover would know what time the Swift’s daughter left. Have they been interviewed? What was Karen wearing when she picked her daughter up? Or maybe she stayed in the car.
A Texas Grandfather says:
November 11, 2011 at 7:56 pm
We have some information, although not verified, that there were possible physical confrontations between Karen and her husband. We also do not know if everything was going well with her new man.
new man,do we know Karen had a boyfriend?
Agreed, texas grandfather. I left my husband months ago but knew not to file for divorce until i was in new digs. Sometimes it all takes time. But save the big confrontations for a time when ur safe.
I am sorry or glad to hear that and no need to tell me which one, just know I support you.
B
I was wondering that exact thing last night Bumble. It feels like you read my mind! I would hope that the parents of Karen’s daughter’s friend have been interviewed by now, concerning when and who actually picked her up.
And, what if “Karen” stayed in the car and her daughter ran out to meet her? What if David lied and said it was Karen who picked the daughter up, but it was actually him?
That could work, except for Mommy being in bed with her after. Did the daughter say that Mommy was actually in bed with her? Or is that another David story too?
So many questions….
bumble says:
November 11, 2011 at 8:31 pm
@Zeus
I hope the parents of the child hosting the sleepover would know what time the Swift’s daughter left. Have they been interviewed? What was Karen wearing when she picked her daughter up? Or maybe she stayed in the car.
Yes, there is reported public threats with witnesses that I am not permitted to be more specific about at this time. David did not want this divorce, he was not shy about telling Karen what life was going to be like for her at his doing if she went through with it.
B.
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People like this just blow me away. If he had threatened her because he didn’t want a divorce, he clearly gave her reason to leave him. Why does someone NOT want a divorce when they clearly don’t love or care about the person? Oh yeah, they are psycho.
Some News Papers writes Theresa Gross, Holly Bobo and now Karen Swift are the
three West Tennessee Woman that vanished this year without a trace.
If they got their fact updated they would know that T. Gross had been found safe!
Glad, B. :0) Life is too short to be miserable.
If she was put in water this is going to get complicated.
Being the vehicle looks staged. Then maybe she is located in a different area and security cams from 5 mile radius of their home should be looked at. With any luck he fueled the vehicle.
Bottom line……………
If something happened to me……….
I would want police to clear my husband right way! I would want my husband to cooperate and give all he had to find me.
If…..they could not clear my husband…..then….I would want people to fight for my rights…..
I would want justice. I would want my husband caught.
Karen would want the same.
Good for you Twinkletoes
Think it through before you confront an angry man and always make certain that you have someone with you ,or more than one, if possible when interacting with your ex spouse.
Daydreamer
Some of the posts indicated that there was a new man, but I have no verification of such a person. It could very well be a rumor and you are right. Rumors amplified by repeating them are not good. Perhaps my bad.
@ Twinkletoes says:
November 11, 2011 at 8:47 pm
So glad you are out and safe-you did it the right way! Enjoy the freedom!
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An old friend of mine from another state lived with her ex husband for years because they couldn’t afford separate residences. Finally, after some scary episodes, including an axe left propped against her front door, she got the hell out!
Sadly, I just kept thinking she was going to be the next statistic and no one could do anything about it. She had plenty of people saying “get out now”, but she felt she could not afford to transplant herself and her teenage children.
I think at the point of seeing that “axe”, she finally glimpsed the true potential of what could happen. I’m just glad she got out in time!
I lived in Jackson for almost 20 yrs, and some of my family still does. My dad worked at Nucor in TX and we know most of the workers at this Nucor Steel, I know the name ML is very familiar but can’t place it. I truly feel the husband is the perp and that was my initial gut reaction even before I read this article last night about his refusing LE to search and all the other issues. I wonder if Joe Byrd is his attorney, he is in Jackson TN and is a very good criminal defense attorney who I have known for over 20 yrs. Even though I live in Florida now, I still have family and friends in this area due to Nucor Steel and those who work there. I am going to check around a bit Blink, but I doubt I could find much more than you have already, but if you are interested in a any specifics you are having trouble finding pls let me know and I will call some freinds. I am one yr younger than Karen and my heart goes out to her family and especially her children. I also wan’t to reiterate how important it is for a woman to make plans before a divorce, I planned for almost a yr, I was succesful in getting my soon to be ex out of the home and even though it was mine for 10 yrs before I met him, I would have walked away from it for my safety, men who feel rejected are extremely dangerous IMO, it’s something that damages their ego IMO. I called local LE in TN to warn them about ANY threats , even those he made stating he would call and make a report about anything that could make me appear as a bad mother. I felt like a fool for doing it, but they assured me it was essential to lay a record for anything and evrything, I kept a diary which noted all the crazy things he tried to do to me, I completely disabled my garage door opener, my father nailed my windows shut and gave me a shotgun just in case my handgun wasn’t enough. I took so many precautions it seemed insane, but looking back it saved my life. To this day he has no clue where the kids or I live and I keep up with him /where he lives etc just in case, so please anyone considering on leaving take any and every precaution you can think of (even if they seem ridiculous) and keep your local LE informed. That paid off in spades for me as one night I was met at home by 4 officers who stated I was seen weaving on the road (this was after the call about making me look like a bad mother). My soon to be ex called and told me he had already heard about it and child endangerment was going to do me in. I went in the house and called the COP who was a friend and he laughed and stated, first- who do you think made the phone call? Second- weaving IF that is even that was what happened is ust distraced driving. Third – the so called witness refused to leave his name and Fourth – he called the police in my yard and gave them the info he had and my previous report. It got much nastier, but lay a record, protect yourself anyway you have too even if that means you have to take the ultimate step ( your kids need you ), and keep a diary…you will be shocked how many odd things you can look back on and how they match up to odd things wrt your soon to be ex, make sure your neigbors know to watch out for strange cars or ppl around your home ( I had neighbors call me after midnight ) and get a dog that barks like crazy. I know most think this will ever happen to them, but that is foolish….too many reasons to get rid of the problem (child support , alimony, paying out 1/2 a 401k etc) rather than settling the divorce without a scorched earth approach or suspicious disappearance. Sorry that was so long, I just felt like it needed to be posted. God speed Karen
Warning of graphic thoughts : ive had these intense thoughts about Karen all day. I think the only way Karen will be found at this point is by understanding David. I am sorry, people, but I do think he killed her. I dont think he could fathom letting her go. She is somewhere he deems worthy of her remains. She is somewhere he has been before and will return to in order to “honor” her. He considers her death an extension of their marriage vows… Linked in death, him giving his soul for her, yadda, yadda, because he killed her and now will go to hell. Not my view, but that is the feeling im gettting.. He has thought about this more than once. So…. What do we know about this man? Did he have any favorite peaceful retreat spots? Fishing spots? Hiking? I am sorry for the graphic nature here, but i suspect he wanted to destroy evidence of his crime by destroying her body. By evidence, i mean i think he probably raped her. In his mind, of course, lovemaking. I assume fire would do the most in that regard. I am thinking a summer cabin…. Somewhere reflective of happier days. Sorry for this awful post. We need to find this dear lady and bring her justice.
Blink what do you think about those rumors with the two cellphones
and all the rest about CB ect… Nasty blablabla?
Could CB be relevant to the case?
What about the husband from one of her friend who called to report her
missing before Karen’s husband had a chance to do so?
I don’t like those nasty things that are coming out but i want to know
what do you make about that if you think that some of those things have
to be taken seriously? What are your experiences telling you?
Karen had a phone provided by a friend, that is correct. It is not uncommon given the status of the couple, and David’s witnessed aggressive behavior toward Karen.
I believe that Karen’s friends called LE after they could not reach her, and David proclaiming he did not know where she was. David filed the police report hours later because only he could as a family member.
My experience tells me David Swift knew Karen was about to file a restraining order based on threats he made to her in public, and he was to be removed from the home, because her attempts at being amicable were not working and he lost it in the wee hours of October 30th.
I think it occurred outside, was not premeditated and a heat of the moment confrontation that ended in her death.
B
Good Morning Blink and Blinkers!
I don’t understand why CB speaks about Karen
in past tense in the interwiew at the vigil.
If your best friend went missing woudn’t you
want no matter what to believe she is alive a few
days after her disapearance?
I admire how brave Preston Swift is.
My hearts goes to those poor Children
LE.. Time for an arrest and isolation.
Time is the enemy, conviction will happen no matter what.
Go get him!
In response to what Twinkletoes said, I don’t actually think anything David might have done to her was in “honor” of her. If David is, in fact, the perp, I think he harmed her because he is so concerned about image that he would rather have a wife who is missing or dead (in other words: she’s STILL considered his wife, even if she’s dead) than a “broken family” where his wife left him.
That said, I don’t think the crime would have necessarily been premeditated, but I do think he’s probably had ‘thoughts’ about how he’d rather Karen be dead than that he allow her to leave him. They appeared to be the “picture-perfect” family, and I think that image meant a lot to David. If he couldn’t have that picture-perfect family, he didn’t want anything else.
Regarding burying her in a spot that might have been special to him, I don’t think that was the case. I think David might have unintentionally killed her (maybe he thought she looked ‘slutty’ in her Halloween costume, and it enraged him – which could also explain why he threw it in the backseat of her car), and then probably did a quick job of trying to stage something else while the kids were still asleep (something that makes Karen look like a “loose” woman who goes out in the wee hours of he morning while he – the ‘good guy’ – is home with the children.)
If David killed his wife(which is the most likely scenario), how in the world does he look his kids in the eyes–his sons especially, as they are adults. How?
It appears that the whole family is still at their house. (David, the two little girls, and the two adult boys), plus possible extended family as well, could be there to help. Someone has got to be seeing some weird/off behaviors from David at this point.
Maybe they are seeing things, but don’t want to admit to themselves that something is off. I’m sure that it would be extremely hard for his boys to look at their dad and think that he did something to their mom.
I hope that something is seen/heard that gives a family member or friend the urge to tell LE about it. Karen needs to be found–her kids, family and friends need closure.
I feel that David was a very controlling person.I think that his realization that Karen was not going to stay with him,and put up with his verbal abuse made him very angry.I am with Blink I believed it happened outside.Maybe he followed her and confronted her after he found out she was leaving.I am willing to bet he watched her constantly.Blink do you know if they have brought in Cadaver Dogs to search the property?
God bless Karen and her beautiful children.I pray for closure,they will not start the healing process until she is found.If David loves his children he needs to give them back their mother now.
This is a video with Karen’s oldest and discussion of the recent search by horseback. I noticed he didn’t mention his Dad at all.
http://www.wmctv.com/story/16024733/son-of-missing-dyersburg-woman-makes-desperate-plea-for-help
He does not. I wanted to reach through my screen and hug this young man, who by all accounts, is a great kid, son and brother. His sisters are going to need him and Dustin more than they realize right now, and I believe they will be there. Heartbreaking.
B
And here is another one- noticed the girl mentions how busy the road was overnight.
11/12/2011 (WBBJ – Karen Swift Case): Volunteers Search for Karen Swift on Horseback
http://www.youtube.com
Oh crumb-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_k-rEJbnXo
I am convinced after seeing this that there were areas of the conjoining properties that were used to avoid detection.
B
Blink, I read somewhere (or possibly it was in a video interview)that Marty Lamb called to let his wife, Jennifer, know that he had just seen Karen’s car abandoned on the roadside, and that his wife then called David to let him know.
I will try to find a link and post it-but have you heard about that?
I don’t know what time Marty’s wife would have made that call to David-but the article/video made it sound like shortly after Marty told her.
Because Marty’s wife was the one who watched Karen’s daughters while David spoke to LE, I would assume that was because she was also the one who alerted David about the abandoned car.
If true, and if David knew really early that Karen’s car was sitting along the roadside-and if he was truly innocent–wouldn’t he have called LE right away?
I read he called LE at 4 pm that afternoon–AFTER Karen’s friends couldn’t reach her and got worried and called him. But from what I posted above-he would have known since very early morning that his wife was missing and her car was parked down the road with a flat tire.
Seems he should have notified LE in the early morning hours.
@Zeus could you provide us the Link please. It is very interesting.
Löni says:
November 13, 2011 at 3:19 am
Good Morning Blink and Blinkers!
I don’t understand why CB speaks about Karen
in past tense in the interwiew at the vigil.
If your best friend went missing woudn’t you
want no matter what to believe she is alive a few
days after her disapearance?
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Very observant Loni, and telling as to what this friend believes the fate of Karen is. She must feel Karen is deceased.
After watching her friends be interviewed, the 2nd phone rumors, the rumors that she has disappeared before, the tossed clothing, the seemingly-intentionally-lowered tire, the repositioning of her vehicle where it would seemingly not attract police attention prematurely by blocking the road,no signs of foul play, website use on her phone at 5 am, all point to her voluntary disappearance. The only question i have is if she would leave her young kids behind.
I disagree entirely, with much respect. There was a civil pending matter she cared so much about, she was willing to stay in the same house. There is witness accounts of David being verbally abusive and threatening to Karen in public.
But to answer your question, no, she would not leave her kids, as she demonstrated the very night she went missing. Her daughter called, and she came. I am aware of the trolls trying to discredit her with nonsense.
I wonder how many will show support when their is an arrest in this case, and that is going to occur sooner than later.
B
Also, if Hogshooter put out poison on his own property, and dogs that were offleash wandered onto his property and consumed it, how did he break the law? I had a friend with a neighbor that (they think) did the same thing because they were mad at neighboring cats using their flowerbeds for litter boxes. But since the animals came onto their property, they weren’t held accountable. I
Loni, I’m still looking for the link-I’ll post it as soon as I can. That will teach me to read or hear something interesting and then not save it. I’ve done it too many times to count!
I especially hate when those things we all remember hearing or reading “disappear” from the news sites when we go back in search of them. I’m hoping that the link I’m searching for is not one of the “lost” ones.
Did anyone else hear an interview or read an article that said Marty Lamb notified his wife that Karen’s car was abandoned on the road, and then his wife notified David? I distinctly remember it but am having a hard time finding it again!
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Löni says:
November 14, 2011 at 1:32 am
@Zeus could you provide us the Link please. It is very interesting.
zeus says:
November 13, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Whoknew, from the way you talk in your post-I get the distinct impression that you do not find poisoning of animals to be an unusual way to get them off someones property.
Correct me if I am wrong-but you said, “Also, if Hogshooter put out poison on his own property, and dogs that were offleash wandered onto his property and consumed it, how did he break the law?”
If Hogshooter was the actual poisoner-he broke the law by committing a cruel and atrocious act against a live being. And it could very well have been a child that wandered onto his property and ate that poison.
Plus, no animal deserves to be hurt or killed because of it’s natural tendency to wander.
Yes, in a perfect world, we would all be able to control where our animals are at all times. But since animals have a tendency to get away and sneak off sometimes-that does NOT give anyone the right to hurt or kill them.
Plus, it’s horrifically wrong. I had a beautiful Collie who was poisoned when I was young, other neighbor animals were also killed. To say that I look at poisoning as the harbinger of escalating violence towards animals and people–is putting it mildly!
It’s not who did the poisoning that matters. What matters is the guilty party being caught and harshly punished for causing harm/death to an innocent animal. There is no excuse for that type of cruel behavior-no excuse at all….
whoknew says:
November 14, 2011 at 12:53 pm
@Zeus: no problem Zeus it happened to me also many times.
I red something interesting and i didn’t remember where…
Out of topic: i also have a beautiful collie Zeus, her name is Amy.
I don’t want even to think about the eventuality someone could
harm her:((( for me someone who does not respect and love
animals don’t love humans aswell.
@Zeus i am very sorry what happened with your Collie:(
Dogs do get loose and most times it is harmless. However it is virtually impossible to prove who did it and even if you do, the landowner can say the poison was set for predatory wild animals. Most landowners will notify via signs etc that strange animals are not welcome. As for shooting or harming them, in Virginia I believe the dog must be seen attacking livestock or a pet. Seemingly harmless larger dogs can injury or kill a cat or smaller dog just by playing around with it. If one has a larger dog they should immediately worry and go find it once it is loose.
I too had a dog that was poisoned. I’m sure my uncle did it because he was known to do things like that and he wasn’t all that fond of me anyhow.
People who do stuff like this are generally people to stay the hell away from which is what I mostly did.
One of my neighbors dogs attacked a goat on another neighbors property.
That neighbor who is a woman walked out and killed the dog with a 12 guage shotgun.
Completely legal where I live. The dog was attacking livestock.
Zeus, Of course I’m not for poisoning of animals, any animals. (Well, except bug spray). I thought I made that clear by citing the reason i was asking: my experience with someone who had their cats killed that way.Which was horrible and which went unpunished legally. Hence my wondering why this was different. I swear, sometimes people online will look for an argument anywhere they can find it. I stated exactly why i didn’t understand how he was charged.
I also believe people should keep their family pets indoors and not let them poop on other people’s lawns, as far as that goes. It is called good pet ownership and common neighbor courtesy. I had a neighbor who would let their dog out and go watch it poop on everyone else’s lawn. Most people in the neighborhood had kids and cleaning that person’s dogs poop from the kids’ shoes seriously pissed off plenty of people. But everyone did what normal, goodhearted people tend to do: they called the dog owners names behind their back, got pissed, and dealt with it. Nobody hurt the dog, it’s not the dogs’ fault, it’s the ignorant owners that let the dog go poop on other people’s lawns and don’t pick it up. No one went missing either. Not everyone in the world is evil. Jeez!
Here is a new article, via Nancy Grace. New info I hadn’t seen before says, “A friend told a Nancy Grace producer that Swift called her from the party and said she was not having a good time. The friend said Swift tried to call her again around 11:40 pm and sent her a seemingly urgent text message, but she was already asleep.”
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/21/body-found-in-search-for-missing-virginia-beach-baby/?iref=obinsite
Thank you Loni! I am glad you have the love of your Collie, Amy-they are loyal companions!
Löni says:
November 15, 2011 at 8:18 am
Löni says:
November 15, 2011 at 8:24 am
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Whoknew-I am sorry for jumping on you, I just didn’t quite understand the wording on your post. I am an animal defender to the max, so tend to always look towards their side.
Sadly, since the internet contains no voice tone nor body language, it’s really hard to know exactly what people mean sometimes.
whoknew says:
November 15, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Grateful for the level of maturity and kindness we share here. Thank you for that.
B
Thank you Blink-you model it and teach us-and we all appreciate and benefit from it!
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Grateful for the level of maturity and kindness we share here. Thank you for that.
B