Susan Powell Husband Josh Powell Murders Kids Commits Suicide During Supervised Visitation
Joshua Powell, husband of missing and presumed deceased Utah woman Susan Powell, deliberately triggered an explosion Sunday afternoon killing himself and the couples two young sons Charles and Braden Powell.
A case worker arrived with the children for the court ordered supervised visitation was blocked entry by Powell, and shortly thereafter the home exploded.
Josh’s Father Steven is awaiting trial for various perv charges and all over creepiness, and Josh was just denied custody of the children in favor of them staying with Susan’s parents, The Cox’s.
www.blinkoncrime.com wishes to extend our sincere condolences to The Cox and members of the Powell Family who are not perverted freaks or murderers.
It would seem I recall expressing my concern this was a definite concern early on. I wish to commend all that recognized this and did everything in their power to give these beautiful little cherubs their best chance.
These little guys see their Mother today, and I pray that there is comfort in that reality for those dealing with this loss today.
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Thanks Survivor for the reply!!
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Survivor says:
February 16, 2012 at 6:39 pm
36. Bam from Ms says:
February 16, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Bam,
I saw an article a day or so ago that they owners of the property had not yet made a decision what they were going to do with it and were still waiting to hear what the insurance company was going to pay.
home owners should get legal aid students’ clinic at U of Wash to sue rental agency (mgrs) & Powell’s estate consisting of $6500.
Thanks Sunshine_4me, Bam from MS and Survivor for the info about the owner of the rented house!
I truly hope that the owners of the property that Josh was renting go after the Powell’s – regardless of what the insurance company is going to pay.
Their property was used for a HORRIFIC crime – the murder of 2 little children. They should be able to go after Josh’s family. Because you just know that he siphoned his money off to them. Supposedly, he was giving instructions as to how to handle “his business” …..Don’t tell me that his family didn’t know what he was planning or how he was using that house as a sham.
I am sure that there are attorney’s who can identify some statutes that could be used for the purposes of recovering Josh’s money that he either squirreled away for his family members or outright already gave to them. Where’s the $7K they have video of Josh withdrawing from the bank?
Also – if Josh insured those children’s lives – that life insurance should NOT go to his family, but rather to the Coxes and the owner of the house.
Except for Jennifer Graves, I think that the Powell’s aided and abetted Josh in the commitment of several crimes and I think that the only justice we can get for Susan and her boys is to make sure that the Powell’s get NOTHING!
“DSHS documents reveal disturbing statements from Powell boy”
“In one instance on February 18, 2011, an administrator reported Charlie told a group of kids, “The Mormons killed my brother and my mom.”
“In June, administrators said Charlie told a little boy he was going to “come to [his] house at night and kill [him]” because he “hated Mormons” and made other similar statements about hating Jews and Christians. The counselor noted this wasn’t the first time Charlie made that sort of statement. ”
“During a September 27 supervised visit with Josh Powell, Braden told a social worker he did not want to see his father. After agreeing to the visit, the agent observed Josh Powell telling the boys, “Make sure you tell people how much fun we have every weekend.”
http://www.king5.com/news/local/DSHS-documents-reveal-disturbing-statements-from-Powell-boy-139542398.html
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There’s more in the article. When Braden said he did NOT want to see his father, clear last September-no one listened. What kids want and feel should always be important clues as to the problems they are experiencing.
I’m sorry Charlie and Braden, that you were failed by almost everyone.
I think the primary goal of re-unification is well intentioned, but antiquated and is a flat out conflict to the “best interest of the child” premise.
I read this and it is a fresh wound, these sweet little guys went through hell in this life.
B
Besides being a murderer, Josh Powell was not stupid. He rented the property for the sole purpose of destroying himself along with the boys. He did not want to destroy any family property.
Who is the recipient of the money removed from the bank prior to the murder/suicide?
A clever person can always work the system to their advantage.
Alina Powell
B
What can we do? Do you think a letter or multiple letters/emails to Alina Powell would help?
Surely, with reminders and public suggestion, she would consider the boys with love and recognize her brother MURDERED them, even before the fire and expolosion, he MURDERED them. If she loved those boys at all, she would put them first before their murderer’s interests. I can understand still loving your brother…inspite of his mental illness, but in the end, she should make the right decision for her nephews!!!!
Please let us know if you can how we can voice our opinions to Alina.
@TexasGrandfather ~ I just <3 you!!
That is truly disturbing. I do NOT understand why they did not take immediate action!!! Why withhold this info for 2 years? I just can not see any justification. It would seem to me once they knew this information they would have stopped any and all visitation immediately!! What kind of law would protect that? This just does not seem to be something I will even understand.
Total heartbreak. My heart is broken.
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zeus says:
February 17, 2012 at 6:50 pm
“DSHS documents reveal disturbing statements from Powell boy”
“In one instance on February 18, 2011, an administrator reported Charlie told a group of kids, “The Mormons killed my brother and my mom.”
“In June, administrators said Charlie told a little boy he was going to “come to [his] house at night and kill [him]” because he “hated Mormons” and made other similar statements about hating Jews and Christians. The counselor noted this wasn’t the first time Charlie made that sort of statement. ”
“During a September 27 supervised visit with Josh Powell, Braden told a social worker he did not want to see his father. After agreeing to the visit, the agent observed Josh Powell telling the boys, “Make sure you tell people how much fun we have every weekend.”
http://www.king5.com/news/local/DSHS-documents-reveal-disturbing-statements-from-Powell-boy-139542398.html
I am so disappointed in the system for allowing a man who is suspected (my eyes known) murderer of his own wife, who had his kids in the vehicle with him with their mother in the trunk, a man whose father is in jail on voyeurism charges, a man whose very own computer investigators found pornography on, a man whose own children did not want to visit him, to have any contact at all with those precious angels.
This was so preventable, so avoidable, if only the system had done what it was supposed to do, and PROTECT THOSE CHILDREN.
But, they didn’t, and now it’s too late, and those angels are now with their mother, and the loved ones left behind are left with an emptiness and grief that is so above and beyond what any of us could ever imagine.
Prayers for all of Susan’s and her boys loved ones. May God wrap his arms around them and give them the strength that they are going to need to survive this nightmare.
May Susan and her precious angels finally be reunited and may they rest in peace.
The Daily Msil
Morning news Headline
Montana teacher Sherry Arnold was grabbed and stangled
http://www.the daily mail.com
This case is really interesting if you go to the very first and follow suggestions to read by Blink
Plus where they lead
I have been reading
So sick at what happened to the boys, I decided to catch up
Thanks Malty, there are so many unanswered questions and failures in this case it is stupifying.
B
Southernmom,Judi and Zuse
Adults so often do not take the time to really listen to children as you point out in this case. Children will express their fears in many ways. I believe that children who have been through trama such as the loss of a mother will try to let responsible adults, those that they trust, know how they feel.
Southernmom I’m out of touch with your ~<3 remark. I hope that is something good.
Experience is a great teacher if one takes the time to learn from it. This murder/sucide event should wake up a lot of local and state agencies to the fact that they are involved in a system loaded with flaws. All over our country there should be an effort to locate and fix this.
Hiring some top notch systems experts to review their proceedures with the goal of finding and fixing all the holes that alllow criminals to fall through the cracks would be a great start. The next thing that we hear will be "we don't have the money". My answer is there is pleanty of money if it were not being wasted on needless things.
An accounting and operational audit would be a great starting place.
The family courts, attorneys and CPS workers need to stop allowing visits with parents of children that have lost custody except at a controlled facility monitored by officers of law enforcement.
Here, here, ATG!
I ESP like your suggestion that lost custodial visits take place in facility. Csws? Is that do-able?
Why is SP doing this now
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/Steven-Powell-wont-cooperate-with-police-Susan/1-Ja9GzBz0qjndee7T-6aw.cspx
To: A Texas Grandfather says:
February 19, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Well said Texas Grandfather! If only you were running these organizations, I feel there would not be as many horrible outcomes as we are seeing.
Thank you for always making sense and speaking out for these victims of crimes!
What saddens me is that “child protection” seems to be a myth. It’s 2012, and this is the best we can do? Come on….
Word Girl
Thanks for your support.
All fifty states have laws on the books regarding family matters.
The enforcement of those laws is usually at the county level. This means that the local county family courts and LE are involved.
There could be some counties that actually have a facility that is used as I described. Others may have a facility that could be converted. There are over 6,000 counties in the fifty states. This will require the people to bring this problem to the family court judges and their state legislators.
The family court judges are sometimes appointed and others are elected. My take is that sometimes these judges lack the experience and understanding required to run a good court. If the laws of a state give some latitude to a judge regarding the visitation proceedures, those could be implemented via a court order. Some states would require new legislation to get this acomplished.
It is a big problem. Just how many children do we as a society allow to be destroyed by a parent such as JP?
Just because a court orders supervised visits at a facility doesn’t mean the children are safe, as a young child was raped by both parents during a “supervised” visit in Trumbull County, Ohio.
http://www.wkbn.com/content/news/local/story/2-Accused-of-Raping-Baby-Now-Charged-in/TKewRL7eJkW1uKj1tFk2ow.cspx
When the protection of the children is a concern, there should be NO VISTITATION PERIOD. The above story is disgusting and demonstrates that those in charge lack integrity and a genuine concern for all children and are not doing the jobs that they were hired to do.
To: ATG- great point! I remember the substitute judge for Cho=
Va. Tech, April 16, 2007 and the psychiastrist (sp.?) stated he was a risk to himself and society but he let him go anyway. I realize that this is off subject but when and how will these the courts, LE, etc. be made accountable for the grand decisions they make that change the course of innocent people’s lives? Just thinking… As so many posters
on here have echoed the system failed on so many different levels.
Zeus
Yes, we have a big problem. However, it is always the squeeky wheel that requires the grease. How many success storys are there that we never know about? Some agencies are just a lot better than others because of the people they hire and the training they get.
We would all like to see one hundred percent success. We are falable humans that are prone to make mistakes. IMO about one-quarter of those who work in the family court system are not suitable to hold their job. They do not learn anything from experience. Because of the federal and sometimes union work rules, it is very difficult to remove them. The public pays a big price for this mistake.
The criminal mind is always into how they can accomplish their desires. They constantly look for holes in a system to exploit. Sometimes the holes are so big that it takes little effort for a criminal to slip through. Those are the easy ones to fix provided there are the skills and will to actually do it.
At one time in my working career, I was designing and building petroleum truck loading racks including the measurement systems and the computer controls for access. These were mostly unmanned systems that were available 24/7. One of the things we always did was to sit down as a team and play the “What if” game with our security controls. We would try to think of every type of situation that could allow a load of fuel to be stolen.
A typical tanker truck holds 10 to 12 thousand gallons of fuel. Depending on the actual fuel, even in the 1960′s it could amount to five thousand dollars. Today that figure could be five times that amount.
No matter how many holes we initially found and fixed, when we put the system in service, some smart truck driver would figure a way to steal a load within three to six months. Few got away with it for more than 48 hours. Of course, we quickly fixed the problem.
Are our family court systems that responsive to finding a fixing problems? I don’t think so.
Connie
Your point about the perp Cho at Virginia Tech is well taken and IMO is “spot on” regarding a disfunctional court. This same type of thinking and court rulings is what allowed the physco idiot to shoot Gabby Giffords and the others in Arizona. In both of these examples each perp had a set of enablers. The families knew about the problem, but did not take positive steps to remove them from society.
At the present time, the court systems in our country are a very protected class. They have by law and rules insulated themselves from true accountability to the people. This must change.
The American people are a very tollerant people. We will take and take bad performance from our public servants until finally we get enough. Then we will do what needs to be done to correct the situation. Some of us are at the point of taking action. This will require some loud voices of reason to be heard by our public at large.
I think we need to find what happened to Susan and bring her home
To be next to her children
This is something that makes me
Hope
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=19318403
Also this
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=19308982&title=child-protective-services-has-serious-problems-wash-senator-says&s_cid=featured-5
Thanks Malty. I haven’t stayed as engaged on this case and i’m glad to see the psychologist confirm what we saw (intuitively knew) about Josh Powell.
I wish Psychologist James Manley would have recommended visits in protected spaces with adequate supervision, due to his inability to contain himself. “Mr. Powell has very little capacity at this time to rein in his opinions and commentary for the sake of his children’s mental health,” the report states.
Noting that an earlier Social Worker saw the house as ‘staged’ and knowing JP could not live at his father’s house and still see the children, a whole lot of people failed here.
Malty
Thanks for sharing the links. Susan was a Morman. That was the prime reason she located to West Valley, Utah. While I do not personally ascribe to the Morman faith,there are many good people who do.
The idea of a memorial for Susan and the boys is a great one. A very good example of beautiful statuary is to be found on the lawn of the Morman temple in Salt Lake City where an artist has produced a bronze work of a mother and three children at play. I believe that this work is the most beautiful I have ever seen. I would hope that someone could produce such a work to memorialize Susan and the boys.
Your second link where the Washington State Senator is beginning an investigation of the CPS activities is promising. The article indicates that this woman has been working to get this done for a long time. The handling of the Powell case may be the attention getter that allows her to improve the system.
I also tried to post a link to the Ann Rule book coming out
On this case but it didn’t post
@ Texas Grandfather
I am from and in Oregon
Years ago I lived 3 years in Moab UT
It was beautiful there
But when I think of all the miles of desert
To look for Susan it is going take A lot of
Help and luck
If a parent is under court order for supervised visits, it usually means that some type of extra care is given to the visit because the parent’s behavior or background warrants it. In the Dept. of Corrections, if an inmate has violent or questionable behavior and the inmate is leaving the facility for court or medical reasons, extra precautions and back up is given to the inmate due to safety and security reasons, and the fact that the public has to be protected.
There were obvious warning signs that JP was not to be trusted, hence the supervised visits. A psychiatrist revealed that JP had “noteable psychiatric red flags” that should be taken into account in regards to his sons. Yet, no steps were taken to safeguard either the boys or the temporary, fill-in supervisor that day. Is it unrealistic that someone with more training should have gone along on the visit as back-up? What about JP made someone think he was normal with normal tendencies to live by the rules of society? JP’s wife – Susan Powell disappeared off the face of the earth one night. JP’s alibi and actions were questionable at the time. He was the main suspect, even though police didn’t make an arrest. His computer had deviant sexual material of children on it, thus warranting the supervised visits. He had to have been under extreme psychological distress.
In Corrections, we don’t have to know the details of the inmate’s history or mental health status. Sometimes we know the crime if it’s a high-profile case, but we are often not privy to the details. We know enough about the inmate by his/her behavior in general to know that we should err on the side of great precaution when it comes to sending the inmate outside the facility for the day. I realize that JP was not under arrest and he was a free person in society, but the signs were there that he was a danger not only to himself but to others. More should have been done to protect the innocents from him. In this case, it was his sons. The neighbors who lived nearby were left unprotected too. JP fooled some of the people, but the ones responsible for the safety and welfare of his sons dropped the ball.
Perhaps a classification status should be applied to those parents who have questionable backgrounds or behaviors and for those that have supervised visits as set up by the courts for whatever reason. The higher the classification, the more restricted the supervised visit. The classifications could entail a mental health evaluation, any criminal arrests and convictions, past suicide attempts (if any), relationship with his/her children, past drug use, past negative behavioral patterns that have been documented by family members and police, and if the parent is involved in a high profile criminal case. If one scores very high, then perhaps visits with the children should be put off completely until it can be determined that safety and security will and can be of the utmost importance. That person does not need to see his/her children unless a supervised visit can guarantee safety and security for all. Whatever it takes.
That doesn’t mean that the parent can never see his/her children. It just means that safety measures must be in place depending on the risk.
Good suggestions, Sue.
I do blame the child services worker who had sat in on those visits for 28 times or more (of 3-4 hours each). Did she not notice the staged house? Was she not aware of Josh’s recent court set-back?
Did she hear him ever make a disparaging remark in front of the children? Did the Cox grandparents ever clue her into their fears about the visits?
I only blame her for a lack of professional distance and assessment.
She could not have saved those children on that day, but maybe, as a front-line advocate, she could have made sure the chilcren were in a safe facility.
And Lord, yes, I know. Josh would have done whatever he could, regardless of the set up.
Maybe for me and my training in the criminal justice system, I know what to look for in a potentially dangerous person. There are risk factors that we calculate for every inmate who moves through the system. It is an in-depth and proven process that is used over and over again in the every day running of a prison system. Mental Health plays a big part of the process, but they don’t have the final say as to placement.
If as you say Word Girl – that the child services worker was able to see that much of JP, then I would have to say that there must be a complete lack of training and communication within their department. If however she did indeed notice a decline in his overall composure with each visit, then did she have the backing from her unit to take her assessments into consideration? Every risk factor must be documented and considered. There should be no such thing as a stupid observation. Make a paper trail to take to a judge.
If JP had to go through metal scanners, and be patted down by deputies in an appropriate facility, then JP would not have been able to do what he did. He found a weakness and true to the psychopath in him, he exploited the system in the worst possible way. The system in place with this department (and others across the country) needs a complete overhaul with risk assessments in place and appropriate ways to deal with the risk factors. The courts too need to be included and educated so they can react appropriately. The courts need to be able to back the say-so of case workers involved in the field.
Maybe these things are in place. It’s a very complicated issue. I’d love to hear from someone with experience in this field. I would appreciate their rendition of what went wrong in this case.
Malty
Your assesment of the difficulty in finding Susan due to the terrain is on the mark. At Moab you had the mountains on the East and some opportunity for moisture. Most of Utah is desert country. I have been to the four corners where Arizona,New Mexico, Utah, and Colorado come together. It is basically desert there as well. I have also visited Promitary Point where the transcontinental railroads were joined. This is desert as well. There is a Thiakol rocket motor facility near the road to Promitary Point.
If I had to guess were Josh took Susan I would look first in the desert country West of West Valley and South along highway 36 near Rush Valley.
Sue
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. While I think that there are some details that would make us shudder in disbeleif, you have covered the areas where training is so important.
This statement from Sherry Hill, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Social and Health Services, has always bothered me:
“The visit supervisor for this particular agency had taken the children to the home. When she does that, she sits through the visit and *might* take notes on her observations.”
Please highlight “might”. It was not a requirement from the sound of that statement. I picture the caseworker maybe knitting or
reading and somewhat listening to and paying attention to the visits-or not.
I feel it shows the lackadaisical approach to guarding these children or any children.
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“The visit supervisor for this particular agency had taken the children to the home. When she does that, she sits through the visit and might take notes on her observations,” said Sherry Hill, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Social and Health Services.
http://www.kval.com/news/local/Explosion-at-Puyallup-home-rescue-operation-at-Powell-residence-138746774.html
I have been outraged about children going to unstable family ever since that little girl was sent to Mexico to live with grandparents and was beaten to death down there by them
This whole system stinks
But I feel once Josh heard the boys were remembering that Mom was in the trunk
He decided to kill them somehow some way
And would have
It was just a real sick thing
And he was a very good actor
That is really my own personal opinion
It hurts just to think about those boys
And Susan
Zeus – That says it all in regards to the fact that the visit supervisor sits through the visit and MIGHT take notes of her observation. If it’s not mandatory, I can picture the visit supervisor playing games on his/her cell phone etc. I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt, but one just can’t be nice in a situation like this. Too much at stake. They leave themselves open for liability unless they take a more pro-active approach. At the very least, a log should be kept when supervising a visit with a questionable parent. Log every 15 or 30 minutes on what is being observed. Any observations should be turned over to a supervisor for follow-up risk assessment if necessary. Perhaps a referral to someone from Mental Health and then if necessary no further child visitation of any sort unless the parent cooperates and the risk assessment comes back without any red flags. There must be training however in regards to what is being observed by visit supervisors and whether or not it has potential to become a dangerous situation either in the present or during future visits. That is why a facility with armed deputies, scanners and pat downs are the most logical solution. In our county, the DSS is manned by deputies due to problems that have occurred in the past.
I understand Chuck and Judy Cox are suing CPS for the ‘lackadaisical approach’ in the supervision of their grandchildren. I’d love to know what they think could and should have been done to ensure the safety of Susan’s boys.
there are alot of troubling things in the psych eval too imo. i am unable to copy snippets. what stuck out to me was, apparantly the boys were seeing a therapist, and a different SW met with her. therapist had “concerns” about increased supervision ( that is what was written in the report, i am not sure if she meant visiation or supervision – but apparantly there was increased visitation too ) that is not supervised by a Dept. representative, for fear that Josh would continue these anti – Cox rants…..
she was also upset at the SW for not warning her about josh’s rapid speech, inability to stay on topic, and go on rants in front of the children. the THERAPIST could not even reign him in – and yet, they had a contract employee supervising visits?
there is a ton of info in this eval, including history from the parents’ divorce – and still the evaluator recommended continued visitation, predicated on children’s wishes to see their father, concurrence of therapist, and his ability to focus on his children.
he also said he should be referred to therapy with a doctoral level therapist well versed in personality disorders and forensics.
there are just so many failures here, and so many supposedly eduacated people involved here, from SWs, therapists, psychologists, and imo it’s just unacceptale to say he “fooled” any or all of them. the amount of info available in this eval is unbelievabble. they were the so called experts charged with assessing the situation and making recommendations and protecting the boys.
i have been trying to not rant about this, but i have been dealing with this kind of stuff for 12 years , and it is more common than you would think.
i will just say, i do hope now is the time for the light to be shone on this issue.
full eval here
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/81994361
@Sue says:
February 22, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Yes, one would think there would be some ‘point system (of rating parents etc)’
… Judges use a matrix point system when considering sentencing … I have seen a Judge w/ a felon before him on armed robbery of numerous seniors’ & B&E, be given ONLY 1 point because of his advanced age -and- when the defense & client were walking away looking smug because NO jail time … STOPPED @ door by the Judges’ voice … WHAT is this about PAROLE violation??
While defense attorney continued to push his client out doorway he turned & acted surprised saying, “What your Honor ?? There’s nothing for YOU to be concerned with …”
TG the Judge @ that point FINALLY took control, ordered the sheriff deputies to hold onto & return the felon to face him … after seeing how the defense & felon had been putting on some ‘show’ up to that point … and NOW that the Judge had finally seen WHAT type of guy this felon REALLY was … felon was held w/o bail, to be returned to EACH STATE he had violated parole etc from & SERVE EACH sentence in FULL -before- he would be returned to serve his time here (which was over 25yrs) … ADA said to me, he did not expect the felon to live to see any prison time here …. (yes, ADA knew of felons’ ‘history;, he just NEVER brought it to Judges’ attention …
… So even though there was a matrix system in place & the felon only got 1 point, it was the Judge/the human that was going to set the felon FREE regardless of his crime (which felon ADMITTED he did) …
… oh, the armed robbery of seniors’? Felon had robbed seniors’ (all in the 70′s -to- 80′s+ age range) w/a hand gun for $5 – $10 – $15 …
So unless there are mandates & safe guards in place, people who should NOT be trusted will be GIVEN trust … again, and again, and again.
Riverpearl – In the system that I work in, if we omit important information in our risk assessments of an inmate upon entry into the facility and a problem occurs due to that omission, heads would roll. We deal with thousands of inmates on a daily basis and there are many dangers to everyone if we are lackadaisical and don’t dot every ‘i’ or cross every ‘t’. We follow up with our risk assessments with our Chain of Command, Mental Health Dept., Medical Unit, Classification Unit, in order to properly place each inmate. Every concern is taken seriously and documented if necessary. Do bad things happen sometimes? Yes, but not from being lackadaisical. If an inmate doesn’t talk, we can’t read minds. Log books are kept and information is passed on from shift to shift. There is no room for error because it leads to disasterous results. There is a price to pay if someone doesn’t do their job and I have seen suspensions and firings in my time – not only of line officers, supervisors but higher-ups too. It is a huge responsibility to be in charge of protecting thousands of inmates on a daily basis, and also the public at large too.
I say this because I feel that CPS is in the same position of protection. How is it that a visit supervisor ‘MIGHT’ take notes on such a high-profile parent? I read some of JP’s evaluation that “marnie” presented above thread. How they could be so lackadaisical in their approach to him is beyond me. He was a threat to not only Susan, his sons and the Cox’s, but to society as well. Every red flag was ignored. Just not acceptable.
Riverpearl
Am I reading your information correctly? The Assistant District Attorney failed to apprise the court of prior parole violations in other jurisdictions.
If that is correct, your assesment is right on. The judge did the right thing. Unfortunately the ADA failed in his task. He should have been disciplined by the bar on recommendation of the judge. I would be very suprised if it happened. The defense attorney should have been given the same treatment for his part in trying to decieve the court.
State Senator Pam Roach, who joined the Cox family at an Olympia news conference Thursday, claims the state of Washington was aware that Powell was a suspect in the murder of his wife in Utah.
Hill denies that. “We were not aware of the status of that investigation changing from a missing person case and Josh was just a person of interest in that disappearance.”
http://mynorthwest.com/11/633506/State-denies-it-knew-Josh-Powell-was-murder-suspect
What kind of idiotic claptrap is that? Will anyone ever admit errors in the interest of improving the process so this DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN?
These babies were hacked by their Dad and set on fire and these assholes banter semantics?
The CYS agent knew it was an issue and said so to the 911 dispatcher.
Not only that, police supplied information pertaining to his criminal investigation so they are fos.
I apologize for my anger but I am so over this “we did everything we could” BS.
No, the state removed custody, did not modify the conditions after the courts last finding and here we are.
There are plenty of hot seats to go around for everyone so I suggest they get comfortable.
These children should have been barred from seeing their freak father and the only life he would have taken, which I don’t believe he would have, was his own.
B
http://mynorthwest.com/11/633506/State-denies-it-knew-Josh-Powell-was-murder-suspect
I read that and I am livid all over again. April review meeting? Someone have a spring suit they don’t want to break out too early?
snark alert
B
Here’s another one of Sherry Hill’s rambling statements:
“We do everything we can to keep children connected with relatives, it’s just that the parents have the first and foremost right, as well as the children, to have them be connected, that’s just their right,” said Sherry Hill, spokeswoman for the state Children’s Administration.”
http://mynorthwest.com/11/633506/State-denies-it-knew-Josh-Powell-was-murder-suspect
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It sounds like she is saying, that no matter what a parent has done-Washington state will give them the benefit of the doubt-every time.
This woman needs to be one of the first to go as far as I’m concerned.
I am never so surprised as I am that people in her position, facing these issues, do not hear the words coming out of their own mouths, or that they are permitted to comment at all.
B
lol blink, thanks for saying what i am restraining myself from saying on here.
this is the part where everyone will say, not my fault, just doing my job, playing my “role”, wasn’t up to me, wasn’t charged with anything, father’s rights, blah blah *f-n* blah.
Chuck and Judy Cox, the day after this happened, were on camera saying they ENCOURAGED the boys to go see their dad when the children did not want to. If they can say that, (keep in mind they were reliant on and complying with a court order outside of their own reservations, as advised at the time) why can’t someone responsible for the best interests of these children ( remember the state removed custody and was in favor of re-unification without any adjustments to same in spite of the judge’s findings) own the error?
B
This is classic CYA. Denial of the knowledge. It is too bad the reporter did not call them out on it.
This group is in big trouble and they are trying to fool the public.
The state senator should take steps to make them admit the errors. Maybe she will since she was with the Cox family. We can only wait to find out.
Two months to hide the evidence and maybe the public will forget about the problem. Real corrective action in a timely manner. Horsefeathers,it is time to make some people get a new job title. Maybe unemployed!
Blink
Your anger is great
This Dad probably knew the boys were talking about
Mom in the trunk
And he was a suspect in murder
Where was old common sense ?
He has to rent a house to see the boys
He has child porn
Granddad has porn +
He got the hatchet and gas
So let them have all the review meetings they want
Utah and Washington failed these boys
MOO
The minute these boys drew pic of mom in the trunk and talked about it
They should have had full protection in my opinion
Never been around Josh until he was cleared
And what about a man who takes his little boys out camping in subzero
Weather at midnight
This is careing responsible dad
And mom approved Any one believe that
A stain on the carpet with fans
On and on
It goes
This guy got visitation?
@A Texas Grandfather says:
February 25, 2012 at 12:14 am
Yes ADA did NOT apprise the court of prior parole violations in other jurisdictions/states.
[Nor defense but one could see why not ...]
The ‘trial’ was a long stream of his boss & co-workers from WA STATE Agency who came to ‘bear witness’ of ‘what a great guy he was & deserved NO jail time” & well IF the court ordered ‘anything’ they were all for ‘maybe he needs some drug counseling’ …. ‘they ALL wanted the court to look the other way because he was NOT doing his crime/s in WA but crossing over to OR’ … ‘so he wasn’t a ‘problem living in WA & working for the STATE.”
The way it appeared was even though there was ‘no deal in place’ – there was. Because perp stood @ the defense desk & talked or rather ‘cried & said he was a changed man, he didn’t run all over the neighborhood fleeing the police because he has bad hips & cry some more because he never saw/faced one of his victims’ to the Judge, his ‘witnesses’ were sworn in & took the stand & the ONLY ADA side was ADA asking Judge ‘that the B&E victim was in the courtroom & wished to make a statement” …
Though victim of B&E explained the impact of coming home to a broken front door/glass/wood, house contents scattered & possessions gone; after coming back out of house [after only looking @ sun room, LR], seeing perp come out from INSIDE house from back of house w/MORE possessions & than CHASING perp down the street & losing him in the dark & pouring rain; victim was called off the chase by the same cop who stood on the sidewalk a few minutes earlier & handed paperwork to vic & left [but after neighbor saw vic chase perp down street called 911 & they sent the same cop ...] @ which time vic got on phone w/911 & they sent – well A LOT of cops & police dogs[3] & cops CHASED the perps ass for over 3 HOURS [perp ran over 24+ blocks EAST, came all the way BACK WEST 24+blocks to his CAR - around the corner from vic's house, & tried to drive THRU the police & let the car roll as he jumped out -shedding MOST of his clothes & ID as he continued to run ...] until they finally caught his sorry ass … the vic said ALL that from the BACK of the court room, never sworn in or on witness stand … and finished by saying this perp showed NO problems w/ his HIPS or anything else as he was more than able to RUN for a very long period of time & perp has NEVER returned or told the court where to recover ANYTHING stolen from vic’s home ….
There was not one cop @ ‘trial’ & only the vic ‘statement’ was the ‘side given by ADA’ …
The really warped sense of justice was the perp & his HISTORY was NEVER considered in his BAIL for the B&E. He could of bailed out for $500 & didn’t. Now all those armed robers he had gotten a plea deal earlier before B&E but NEVER return for the ‘formal sentencing which was no jail time etc’ so a bench warrant was issued in OR but NEVER enforced. So by staying in jail for the B&E, one can only guess he thought it would go away & he’d be freed w/o time or cost, in the end cost him his freedom.
But truly OR courts/DA’s had HELPED this perp continue his crime w/o punishment of any kind …
I can tell you ATG for a very long time “men would come to victim & offer to show how to use a gun &/or shotgun w/the leading line of ‘the only justice is delivering it in your own home.”
PS,
ATG~ vic 5’9″, 4 months preg & perp a very BIG 6’8″ …
the ONLY Q the Judge asked was more ‘mocking the vic by saying he just couldn’t see any one chasing the perp … especially being so much shorter … & preg’ … the Judge just trailed off, not looking for any answer/response …
… you can imagine how vic felt … the Judge seemed more pro defense than for STATE or vic ….