Susan Powell Husband Josh Powell Murders Kids Commits Suicide During Supervised Visitation
Joshua Powell, husband of missing and presumed deceased Utah woman Susan Powell, deliberately triggered an explosion Sunday afternoon killing himself and the couples two young sons Charles and Braden Powell.
A case worker arrived with the children for the court ordered supervised visitation was blocked entry by Powell, and shortly thereafter the home exploded.
Josh’s Father Steven is awaiting trial for various perv charges and all over creepiness, and Josh was just denied custody of the children in favor of them staying with Susan’s parents, The Cox’s.
www.blinkoncrime.com wishes to extend our sincere condolences to The Cox and members of the Powell Family who are not perverted freaks or murderers.
It would seem I recall expressing my concern this was a definite concern early on. I wish to commend all that recognized this and did everything in their power to give these beautiful little cherubs their best chance.
These little guys see their Mother today, and I pray that there is comfort in that reality for those dealing with this loss today.
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What is our society coming to?
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Anti-gay-church-to-protest-Powell-boys-memorial-service-139022314.html
@ginag. not rare as you think. i knew at least 4 maybe 5 court involved people (1 female) over 2 years who’d have done this to self, wife, & kids, brutally, without stringent controls plus luck.
now a couple got imprisoned first; one woman & kid another tried hard to kill–but she was resettled out of state with new name; another thank goodness got chopped up on the street with an axe on the street. Imo this isn’t rare in a big urban area but controls are better & judges more experienced. here such violent cases had police accompaniment, office mtgs or ROs, resettlement out of state with new names, etc no visitation til psychologicals done etc. this is not rare imo with a certain population. as contracting out spreads, there’ll be more of this imo.
Mrs. Thn Man – @7:24pm
I just saw this too about the Anti-Gay Westboro Baptist Church planning on demonstrating at Charlie and Braden’s memorial service!
OMG!! Can these poor babies not have a truly peaceful farewell!!
Do these horrible bigots have no shame? What do Charlie and Braden have to do ith their agenda?? NOTHING!! It’s just a way that they can get a spotlight.
I hope that people local to the site of the funeral will show up to keep these rabid hateful people away from the Coxes and those who want to honor sweet Charlie and Braden.
PLEASE!!!!!!!!
Guys- these freaks hiding behind a cross are opportunists. They want to incite violence or get blocked so it infringes on their civil rights and create a payday for themselves.
Ignore them is the only solution. A suggestion to anyone who is not going to listen to me and who wishes to COUNTER- protest PEACEFULLY.
Take video and still footage of their members from other protests, and create public display of affection ( not porn, duh) posters endorsing GLAD and Gay marriage rights in their likenesses.
B
“she never thought he would hurt the boys” says it all.
grandmother?
didn’t have her phone with her?
she moved her car and then called 911?
God called her to work with children, but her actual job title is recruiting & retaining foster parents (adults).
Sounds like a good match to me, not visitation supervision.
No, Mrs Hall, in a proper location with proper supervision (experienced cpsd plus officer posted),
he would not have killed them & himself simultaneously, what it would have taken to achieve his goal.
He would not have provoked a suicidal killing from an officer without them going too; he would not have killed them & faced jail.
All it took was secure supervision in a government location. But apparently this State contracts out visitation.
You get what you pay for.
I haven’t seen anything regarding a funeral service for Josh Powell. Anyone know if there is going to be one?
Of course, of course we all knew there was more to WHAT Utah “shared” w/WA
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State Sen. Pam Roach request for FULL disclosure has now got ALL those who SAW the material ‘trying’ to get ahead of the tidal wave that is gonna engulfed many, many people.
My heart breaks all over again for Chuck, Judy & the extended Cox family. FTLOG, they wanted safety for Charlie & Braden & for the boys to grow up FREE of the all the chit of POS & his family…
Chuck etc wanted to do for the boys like Susan would want.
How did so many people on so many levels F A I L Charlie, Braden & the Cox family ???
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Washington state authorities received materials from Utah police that had been discovered on a computer in Powell’s home two years ago. Authorities say the images depicted
***”incestuous” sex**
and were disconcerting enough that they prompted a psychologist to recommend that Powell undergo an intensive psychosexual evaluation.
But a lawyer for Powell’s in-laws, who had custody of the boys,
**wasn’t invited to see the materials before the custody hearing – even though a Utah judge had specified in a sealed court order that he was one of the few people allowed to see them.***
Had he seen the images, attorney Steve Downing said, he might have asked the court to change the terms of Powell’s supervised visitation with the boys … he didn’t learn until Thursday morning – four days after Powell killed the boys in a house fire – that he was allowed to see them. “That would have absolutely given me the opportunity to submit a declaration about our deep concern. I was approved … to view those pictures and I was never notified,” Downing said. “I could have gone into all the reasons why the visitation could have or should have been restricted.”
Pierce County Sheriff’s Detective Ed Troyer told The Associated Press on Thursday night that the images collected by investigators from Powell’s home computer in Utah two years ago were
***realistic computer-generated depictions of “incestuous” parent – child relations*** “It’s family-oriented in nature,” Troyer said. “It is incestuous.” Troyer said the images couldn’t be legally defined as pornography because they don’t involve real people. Troyer said the judge in last week’s custody hearing was apprised of the images at the proceeding.
On Jan. 30, the sheriff’s office arranged a viewing of the materials, said Sherry Hill, a spokeswoman for the Department of Social and Health Services. Among the attendees were Long and a Child Protective Services social worker. Downing said he wasn’t notified of the viewing. Long confirmed Downing had been listed as one of those allowed to see the images. However, Downing was not technically a party to the Feb. 1 hearing, which was between Powell and the state, so there was no rush to make sure Downing saw the materials beforehand.
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Chuck Cox, Susan Powell’s father, said the images were just another indicator of problems with Josh Powell. Cox said he did not know the details of the images. He believed the kids should have been fully taken away from Powell long ago and that they raised concerns about allowing him continued contact.
“How much does it take for them to figure out that he should not have the children?” he said. “It’s just wrong. They needed to be taken out of that environment.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/10/powell-had-incestuous-images-on-his-computer-police-say/
I just wanted those 2 statements together from my previous post …
O M G … “there was no rush … no rush … ”
“But a lawyer for Powell’s in-laws, who had custody of the boys,
**wasn’t invited to see the materials before the custody hearing – even though a Utah judge had specified in a sealed court order that he was one of the few people allowed to see them.***
-BUT-
“… Downing was not technically a party to the Feb. 1 hearing, which was between Powell and the state, so there was no rush to make sure Downing saw the materials beforehand.”
Westboro Baptist Church members will protest outside Saturday’s funeral services.
That announcement was immediately met with howls of outrage and plans for counterprotests.
A new Facebook campaign, “Keep Westboro Church away from Powell Memorial,” was launched to encourage the public to “go out in full force to help create a buffer so this memorial can take place peacefully” in Tacoma, Wash. Occupy Seattle also plans a counterprotest to protect the boys’ grief-stricken relatives from Westboro’s hate-filled message.
News of the church plans were immediately followed by Occupy Seattle’s plans to counterprotest: “Westboro Baptist Church will B picketing a tragic funeral #OccupySeattle will B gathering 2 shield mourners from them,” the movement tweeted.
A memorial service for the boys is set for 11 a.m. Saturday at Life Center Church in Tacoma, according to the News Tribune of Tacoma.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/02/westboro-baptist-church-funeral-josh-powell-children-.html
I’m not sure what else the state of Washington needed to either deny JP visitations, or to have them in a controlled and safe place. Seriously?
I live in Washington and I am disgusted at what’s going on. Our state has failed a LOT of kids, and something needs to change.
This is what was sent to Washington Authorities by West Valley City Police before Feb. 1st:
“….images collected by investigators in 2009 from Powell’s home computer in Utah were realistic computer-generated depictions of “incestuous” parent-child relations.
Troyer said the images couldn’t be legally defined as pornography because they don’t involve real people.
DSHS spokesman Sherry Hill said Thursday a child welfare worker was allowed to review the images, and Pierce County also shared them with a psychologist who then recommended Powell undergo a psychosexual examination and polygraph test. A judge overseeing the custody case ordered the examinations following a Feb. 1 custody hearing.”
Add http in front of link:
://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53480923-78/powell-roach-police-washington.html.csp
Josh Powell repeatedly tried to regain custody of the boys. At one point late last year, he underwent a court-ordered psychological evaluation. The psychologist held off on finalizing his report for some time, anticipating that he would be able to review materials that West Valley City police had discovered on Josh Powell’s computer, said Washington state assistant attorney general John Long, who represented the state in the custody case.
But as the Feb. 1 custody hearing neared, the materials hadn’t arrived from Utah, Long said. It wasn’t until after the psychologist finalized the report that the materials arrived at the Pierce County Sheriff’s Department. When the psychologist saw them, he added an addendum to his report recommending the psychosexual evaluation of Josh Powell — an exam that can include a polygraph as well as more intrusive measures to determine the body’s response to child pornography or other stimuli.
On Jan. 30, the sheriff’s office arranged a viewing of the materials, said Sherry Hill, a spokeswoman for the Department of Social and Health Services. Among the attendees were Long and a Child Protective Services social worker.
Josh Powell’s attorney, Jeffrey Bassett, also did not attend. He said in an email Thursday that there had been some “miscommunication,” and he didn’t learn about the viewing until after the fact. He wasn’t able to immediately schedule another viewing.
Two days later, Pierce County Superior Court Judge Kathryn Nelson heard arguments from Josh Powell seeking to regain custody of his children. Long opposed that, noting only that “concerning” images from his computer had been provided by the police in Utah.
After considering Long’s arguments and the recommendation for the psychosexual evaluation, Nelson denied Powell’s request. She said she wouldn’t consider granting Powell custody unless he underwent the exam. She didn’t make any changes in the visitation schedule, which allowed Powell to see his boys, 5 and 7, at his house twice a week while supervised by a social worker.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/powell-told-son-urprise-deadly-attack-social-worker-article-1.1020222?pgno=1
Pierce County sheriff’s investigators have roped off part of a Graham recycling center after receiving a tip that Josh Powell threw some paper away there before he ignited a deadly house fire Sunday.
“We are just following up on a tip,” sheriff’s spokesman Ed Troyer said Thursday. “We are not looking for anything specific.” Detectives have been following up on tips and tracking down Powell’s movements in the days and hours before.
Detectives went to the recycling center near 180th Street East and Meridian on Wednesday night. The investigators decided a more thorough search needed to be done and roped off the area.
Search and rescue volunteers will return to the area Sunday to do that more thorough search. “We are just going to go through it,” Troyer said. “We are not leaving anything unturned.”
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MOMENT OF BLESSING
Associated Ministries will hold a Moment of Blessing ceremony Tuesday at the what’s left of the home where the two Powell brothers were killed.
The brief, spiritual ceremony for Charlie and Braden Powell will begin at 1:30 p.m. at 8119 189th St. Court E.
Associated Ministries holds Moment of Blessing ceremonies at the places in Pierce County where homicides have occurred. The ceremonies are intended to cleanse and reclaim those locations.
The ceremonies are designed to provide support to the victims’ family, friends and the community where the crimes happened.
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BAKE SALE FOR COXES
The Silver Creek neighborhood community will be holding a bake sale Friday to raise money for Charlie and Braden Powell’s grandparents.
Treats can be bought from 4-8 p.m. at the Graham Fire Department, 10012 187th St. E, Puyallup.
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TREE OF REMEMBRANCE
A dogwood tree will be planted Saturday at Carson Elementary School in remembrance of Charlie and Braden Powell.
Mark and Sarah Lane, whose two daughters attended school with Charlie, said they considered placing flowers at a makeshift memorial but settled on something more permanent.
The white-flowering tree, donated by Alpine Nursery, will be planted in front of the school, 8615 184th St. E, at 4:30 p.m. Saturday. The public is invited.
“We chose a white tree because it signifies purity and innocence,” Mark Lane said.
A plaque reading “Through the life of this tree grows the memory and love of Charlie and Braden Powell. Feb, 5, 2012” will be posted near the tree.
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GRAHAM RENTAL HOME OWNERS SHOCKED
Josh Powell warned the Centralia couple who rented him their Graham-area home that they could expect some media attention.
Patrick and Necia Smalls researched Powell on the Internet and found the stories about his missing wife, Susan Cox Powell. “But there were no charges against him,” Necia Powell said.
So last fall, they gave the go-ahead to a rental agency to let Powell and his two young boys move in the home. The Smalls had never met Powell but he had let them know through the agency that he was interested in buying the home.
On Sunday, they saw news reports that the home had burned with Powell and his boys inside. Patrick Small summed up the feeling with two words: “Shock. Disbelief.”
The Smalls said they were are unsure whether they’ll rebuild the home. Their insurance company is still estimating how much of the damage it will cover.
thenewstribune DOT com /2012/02/09/2019909/detectives-investigate-josh-powells.html
There are 2 photos/screen shots of interest @ LINK
Elizabeth Griffin Hall
and
House on fire from the FRONT of yard.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098876/A-history-violence-Josh-Powells-mother-filed-papers-saying-threatened-butcher-knife-teen.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
There are 2 photos/screen shots of interest @ LINK
Elizabeth Griffin Hall
and
House on fire from the FRONT of yard.
dailymail DOT co DOT uk/news/article-2098876/A-history-violence-Josh-Powells-mother-filed-papers-saying-threatened-butcher-knife-teen.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
When Josh Powell shut the door on Elizabeth Griffin-Hall the social worker said she heard two things:
“I heard him say, ‘Charlie, I’ve got a real surprise for you!’ and that was real normal because he always had surprises for the children,” Griffin-Hall told ABC News Thursday.
And then, “I heard Braden cry out and I thought Braden had bumped his foot.”
Griffin-Hall said she started calling out: “Let me in!,” knocking on the door and ringing the bell. But she was shut out.
unday, Griffin-Hall said she initially thought the door slamming in front of her was a mistake. There was a second just before the door closed when she saw Powell.
“His eyes caught mine and he had a look in his eyes,” she said. “If I were to describe it as a look on his face, it was, kind of … it was friendly enough, it was just kind of sheepish.”
“It was unreal to me, it was an incredulous thought that Josh Powell had murdered his children and he had murdered his children while they were in my care,” Griffin-Hall said.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=1070&sid=19176835
“I want to see what the judge was given,” Roach said. “Maybe it was the judge. Maybe it was the department (of social and health services), but in some manner the information that was so important that was coming from Utah to our state was not heeded and I think we need an investigation here.”
Roach was referring to an ALERT that she said was SENT by the West Valley City Police Department TO the COURT and CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES [CPS] in Washington. Roach said the information was pertinent enough to the Powell children’s welfare that police SENT IN ADVANCE of a Feb. 1 custody hearing.
It resulted in Powell being ordered to undergo a a psychosexual exam, a test apparently recommended by West Valley City, Roach said.
“We shouldn’t have been treating the case the way they did here in Washington state,” Roach said.
***”The fact of the matter is it’s our responsibility as adults and, in this case, an agency, to protect children. They should have been doing just that and they, in my opinion, didn’t.”***
Thomas Shapley of the Washington Department of Social and Health Services, said West Valley police sent documents and images that had been recovered from Powell’s computer. Only a few people were allowed to view the items, but both a social worker and a psychologist under contract with DSHS were among them.
“Without the introduction of that material, there’s a good chance the court could have set about the process to return the children to Mr. Powell,” Shapley said. “Senator Roach seems to think we drug our feet or we failed to act on the information out of Utah. We acted on it.”
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=1070&sid=19176835
“To see them becoming so hardened toward others and scornful of law and order is very frightening to me,” Terrica Powell wrote in a court declaration. “I feel that they are being victimized by Steve’s distorted teachings. I am hoping that they will be able to receive the kind of help they need in time to prevent them from destroying their lives, or others’ lives around them.”
The disturbing details of Josh Powell’s adolescence can be found in close to 200 pages of court documents filed as part of a divorce proceeding. They include threats he allegedly made to his mother with a butcher knife, and his killing of a pet hamster. Terrica Powell wrote numerous times about Josh Powell, who apparently followed his father’s lead in harassing and abusing their mother, according to the documents.
“With the kind of disrespect the kids have learned to have regarding laws, I worry about what they will do,” Terrica Powell wrote. “It seems like there is a sickness pervading my family and I have been powerless to stop it.”
Still, the woman wrote that Josh “has shown moments of thoughtfulness and cooperation” and “sometimes shows a very sweet side.” In one declaration, an aunt said Josh Powell, then 14, attempted suicide by hanging.
Terrica Powell said many of her son’s issues at the time might have stemmed from a turbulent relationship with his father. Steven Powell would “pointedly attack” Josh Powell, she stated in the documents.
“I think that much of Josh’s difficulties through the years has stemmed from not knowing where the boundaries are — what are the limits of acceptable behavior,” she said .
Time and time again, the documents and affidavits characterize Steven Powell as controlling, manipulative and verbally abusive. All of these traits have also been used to describe his son. Steven Powell remains in a Washington jail awaiting trial on children pornography and voyeurism charges.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=1070&sid=19176835
Rachel Marini, who knew Josh Powell before he married Susan Cox, said she and her husband, Tim, became good friends with the couple in Washington. But she eventually started to take issue with the way Josh Powell treated his wife.
“Every restaurant we ate at, Susan could have one thing from the dollar menu, but he could have whatever he wanted,” Marini said, recalling a road trip the group took. “He just had to be in control of every situation and the one who called all of the shots.”
Marini said she was also concerned about the callousness with which he treated his children. He wouldn’t extend his hand to keep a young Charlie from falling down the stairs, instead calling Susan Cox Powell in from another room to help the child. At one point, the boy appeared malnourished because Josh Powell said he wasn’t “wasting his table food” on the child.
“Josh has always scared me as a parent,” Marini said. “He’s never been an attentive or responsible parent.”
“We will never forget Susan,” Marini said this week. “She was such a wonderful girl. She was so happy and friendly and a friend to everyone we met.”
She said Josh Powell’s final act was evidence of his guilt. “If he was capable of doing that to these two children he claimed he loved … of course he could do something similar to Susan,” Marini said.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=1070&sid=19176835
Orr explained that in situations that are understood to be life-threatening emergencies, call takers have the ability to send information to dispatchers as they are typing, with a sort of instant-messaging function on their computers.
That way, he said, dispatchers don’t have to wait until call takers get off the phone to get the pertinent information to officers. “If we have an incident that’s high priority we have the ability to forward that information immediately, through a computer-aided dispatch system,” he said.
In the Powell case, Orr said, the call taker did not regard the situation as an emergency and did not forward the information until the call ended.
In a statement issued Wednesday, Orr said, ”Things that we now know about this evil tragedy are not always so clear to those involved in the initial moments. What happened with this call first comes to us blindly on the other side of a phone; it is only in hindsight that we see things that are not apparent to the call takers.”
Some who have listened to the tapes were struck with what seemed to be an impatient, abrupt tone by call takers. Jodi Maier, the training supervisor at LESA, says that’s the way they’re supposed to sound.
“What we look for is people who have a slight Type-A personality,” she said, “They need to take control of the conversation. We don’t want them to be wishy-washy.
“When you call 911, you don’t want somebody answering the phone who doesn’t sound sure of themselves.”
Maier said questions can sometimes seem unimportant or off the point, but call takers are trying to quickly get answers that are critical to arriving officers.
All call takers, or “communications officers,” as LESA calls them, must complete an extensive training period before they’re allowed to handle calls themselves, Maier said. They take four weeks of classes, then spend five weeks “double plugged” with trainers, she said.
At the end of those five weeks, they must pass a skills assessment exam, then spend two weeks sitting next to a more experienced mentor as they take calls. They spend a year on probation before they’re tenured, Maier said.
Being second-guessed by the public over how calls were handled can be painful, she said, but it’s usually a valuable process. “Any time you can reflect and review, it’s good,” she said. “There’s nothing wrong with trying to think how something could have been done better.”
However, Maier said, “I really do wish people would wait for the review before they make judgments. “There’s so much said that can’t be taken back when people go off and say things when they don’t have all the facts.”
http://www.theolympian.com/2012/02/08/1982644/powell-911-call-taker-criticized.html
@Riverpearl – IMO Alina seems to be programmed to think “one way”, like systematically trained to protect the family at all costs. Even though she’s an adult, she appears to have been taught to buck the system. In an off-beat kind of way, Steven Powell reminds me of Bin Laden training Al Qaeda. they’re trained to only believe one thing and protect that at all costs. It’s ludicrous. His adult children need therapy. That’s pretty obvious. When I listen to Alina speak in protection of Josh, it reminds me of Warren Jeffs’ followers that constantly edit for him and follow in his ways – they believe in him and his teachings. They’ll follow his will to their deaths. It’s as if they’re brainwashed. What the hell went on behind closed doors in that Powell household?
I know somebody that was repeatedly molested by her father from a young age on. Everybody complained about her dad but this was before Megan’s Law so wasn’t taken seriously – records weren’t readily available back then. Her father went on to molest others and “spy” on others. He was finally brought down but his wife, daughter and one of his sons fought for him in court AGAINST young children that came forward from a township school! Well it infuriated everyone in his family! One of my very best friends was his niece. She and all of her brothers spoke out against him in court – travelled from all over our country to come to NJ to testify. It was that important to put him behind bars. Without their testimony, the children wouldn’t have been strong enough in court, parents always want to protect the young ones, in our nature. We see them cry so we pull them away from the situation. Therefore some don’t testify and then the prosecution isn’t as successful. Anyway, the daughter that he was molesting Stood up for him, said it didn’t happen, yet she’s had 2 abortions by him. She continued her sexual relationship with her father even as an adult until the day he died a couple years ago. I ran into her at our ACME last summer & she had gotten a tattoo of her father, HUGE tattoo. Sick, just freak nasty sick…but she was taught to be like that.
Intense psycho therapy is a must.
Arguing over griffin-Hall is like arguing politics whereas there’ll always be disagreements. My firm belief, and I’m steadfast in this belief, is that if a peraon didn’t ever experience dysfunction and have somebody of higher authority fail in their protection of same said person, then said person simply cannot understand from a failed soceity’s perspective the amount of change that needs to take place.
Nobody is bashing caseworker but could she have done something different? ABSOLUTELY! My God that’s a given for crying out loud STARTING with her first phone call omg. “I would have broken in” etc. Well why didn’t she then? Why not set off her car alarm or honk her horn or SCREAM? Why wasnt the address readily available in case of emergency? Do I believe the fault lies with her? No way! But I think it’s even more sick that the douchebag dispatcher’s ridiculous condescending tone HAD TO RELY on Griffin-Hall’s first words and her tone. Frantic? She didn’t sound frantic at all at the beginning of the first 911 call! No way IF SHE WERE FRANTIC would she fricken start the call out with “Hey”! Hey? Hey Hey Hey haaaaaaaay reminds me of somebody that’s not professional like Adam Sandler’s Grown Ups movie for crying out loud. Griffin-Hall only mentioned “high profile case” after she realized she was being patronized. My God. Not once did she said this is who I am, this is where I am, 2 small kids involved, get somebody the eff out her pronto! Not once! But the media puts their spin on it calling her frantic? Sure she was frantic in the SECOND call because she must have realized just how BAD the situation was then! Wtf? I mean seriously?
I ask myself how time & again the media says Alina didn’t know her brother’s address BUT the one woman that most certainly should have had the address readily available – Griffin-Hall – is made excuses for. Oh she’s fragile. Oh she’s devastated. Oh she’s frantic. She’s a damn case worker sent to supervise visitation – a visitation that shouldn’t have even taken place. Jesus, at the very least Alina was bawling her damn eyes out! Let me reiterate: I feel terrible for the caseworker but I definitely think she could have been more professional, more responsible. She should have been trained to call 911 immediately with proper info in hand. Period.
No way am I blaming her, or the dispatcher, or anyone else completely for that matter…but…AS A WHOLE FROM STATE LEVEL DOWN these boys were FAILED MISERABLY.
I think everyone involved needs to be replaced. Everyone. Then start the training. The education.
Point número uno – Griffin-Hall didn’t have her cell phone on her person, she had to go back to her car to make the 911 call, which is also sheer the info papers were.
I ask ANY and ALL social service workers: Where the hell is the case file & cell supposed to be?
Protocol? Who the heck thinks “protocol” when COMMON SENSE is LACKING? There’s a major difference between leaving a college research paper & your cell in the car VS leaving a pertinent case file involving 2 small innocent children of a poi in a disappearance & your cell which is the ONLY link to the outside considering JOSH DIDN’T HAVE A LANDLINE. Damn it to hell.
Deflect & confuse. CYA. Those of us familiar saw it right from the very beginning. Education & experience. If you don’t have it then it doesn’t sink in the same way.
Blink, I took a break from here yesterday bc it hits too close to home. There are other sites out there that completely bash everybody BUT the caseworker. There should be no bashing, just facts as they are seen. She is the ONLY person they were entrusted to as liaison, yet she holds no culpability as far as these other sites are concerned? Josh & only Josh is responsible…however those that failed in the protection of Charlie & Braden should be reprimanded at the bare minimum.
This is so horribly sad. I talked to my pastor last night. He said the only way to rise above it is to pray for the positive. Pray fir the children as well as all survivors, including Josh’s family as well. I asked him if he’s on something, if he’s deranged, bc I didn’t want to waste a good prayer on their demented DNA. He said that’s not true compassion to judge, to pray for myself as well bc only God can judge. I cried my eyes out. Bawled actually. I prayed that Susan will be found, that Josh’s family will seek intense therapy, that all involved will one day find their peace, that change in education and child protection take place ASAP…and it felt good. Really good. But I feel like I’m sinning by honestly hoping that Josh is in so much pain burning in the flames of hell.
People – A person that threatens suicide is threatening murder. Suicide IS murder. If a person will kill theirsrlf, then the will certainly kill others. Ask any cop you know.
The more I read the sicker I become. The entire Powell family, save Jennifer, acts with outright depravity or at the least with depraved indifference.
I believe monstrous things happened in the Powell household as JP and siblings were growing up. How else could sister Alina call JP a victim!
With all the glaring signs and a MP case, I cannot fathom how this sick bastard got in-home visitation rights. Someone, maybe several someones, need to be asked to find a new line of work.
And perhaps there needs to be an in-depth investigation into Freak-in-laws actions as a parent all those years ago…..
When I said “not once did she say”, I’m referring to the very beginning, the very first seconds. Of course she identified herself throughout the call.
After reserving comment until today and as a mother of 6 I can only express SHOCK that Kathryn Nelson did not stop ALL visitation until after the psychosexual exam verdict. I hope she goes to bed each night with a mental vision of those boys before she can sleep. I might spit on her if I saw her frankly. I would ask her in HOW MANY of her cases do the court appointed psychologists recommend a psychosexual evaluation and if one was ordered in this case should that NOT have been enough to cease visitation until it was complete? How many weeks could it possibly take to complete? Two to three IF you had nothing to hide and were motivated to get your kids back. Was it really SUCH an infringement on POS rights to keep him from seeing the boys until this was complete?
As a jusge I would say even giving POS the benefit of the doubt that the images WERE his dads this means one of two things were going on. 1. POS was abused by his own father which raises red flags that no children should be in his care without treatment. 2. POS owned the images and no children should ever be in his care. Either way Nelson failed these boys on every level imaginable. I hope the Cox’s sue all parties involved and use the $$$ to set up a non profit to fight for the following things…
1. When a psychosexual evaluation has been ordered the guardian in question should have NO CONTACT until the completion of the evaluation. Yes this MIGHT mean that some innocent people are seperated from their children for a few weeks but we have to err on the side of protecting children.
2. When there is “resonable cause” to suspect someone of a domestic violence death of a spouse or family memeber then there should be NO CONTACT with children. A domestic violence death is so much about power and control and the frenzy of loosing that power and control. Its too big a risk to place children in the care of time bombs like that.
@Rose says:
February 9, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Yes, grandmother … to me nothing professional from the start.
On so many levels bells going off w/ “her spin” … she sees nothing questionable in how she ‘handled the visitation from Nov 2, 2011 forward.’
She’s ‘changed’ …”I walked w/the boys to the boys RAN FROM CAR … she was A step behind-to STEPS behind” …. KNOCKING @ door because it’s a MISTAKE …etc”
This whole “friends w/POS & grandmother to the boys” … once you drink the ‘kool-aid’ & cross over to “that” INSTEAD of staying objective … lives are harmed as well, as lives are lost.
Yes, she experienced a “traumatic event” but Charlie & Braden suffered the ultimate traumatic “event”.
I truly wish she had maintained her “silence” but I know the PR spin is in full court press.
No question POS is evil but lets recognize “there was NOT urgency the SECOND that door shut.”
@Titch
She had phone went to car for house number.
@Titch ~
POS’s sister & a big chunk of that family seem as if they are part of a ‘cult’ for lack of a better word. The party line is the party line, it IS we the family against everyone else. Everyone else is ANYONE that does NOT accept ‘their way’.
I have been mulling over how in all these years they never had popped up on the LE radar before ?? I have come to the conclusion ‘the family’ is a rather closed unit and it was only when POS marries Susan that “a crack appears”.
That is why “they do not believe POS killed her” … “Susan was not worthy” and “she was disruptive to their way of living/thinking.” She had ‘provided the boys’ and though she was the mother, the ‘family’ already had survived w/o their own mother.” For Susan to say she was taking the boys & divorcing …
Imagine, how strong Susan is/was to MOVE away from ‘all that’??
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@ Titch –
If you get the time check the photo @ link … can very clearly see house numbers on the garage from the STREET even AFTER the fire
http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/10/54/26/2278806/5/628×471.jpg
close up #22 of 39
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Blast-kills-husband-of-missing-Utah-woman-2-boys-3052040.php#photo-2278801
from street #26 of 39
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Blast-kills-husband-of-missing-Utah-woman-2-boys-3052040.php#photo-2278806
How difficult is IT to read the house number???
AMEN AMEN AMEN, Titch. I agree. couldnt say it better myself..i would not even try…..BUT,my next question then would be— if we dont start somewhere then when will ANYONE start.
The damage is done in the way society thinks and have been modled to react..(Notice i dont use the word respond), but we have got to do damage control, ( using that term loosly) i know nobosdy likes to say there is collateral dammage , but there simply is in each one of these cases until something is done….AN ACT of systems and government changing some policy and retraining, HOLDING ACCOUNTABLE people not using tenure and experience- I would have bullshitted my way through that conversation with the dispatcher– would have went a little something like this, Hello i have an emergency, This is _______ and i am at ______ street or road and i am a social worker and the dad just closed the door dragging his two kids in and pushing me out,, please come help me these kids are in grave dangers, giving the circumstance of this case i am lead to beleive he is going to do bodily harm “yesterday” NOW GET HERE NOW PLEASE HURRY…we have to little boys in this house with this idiot…Probably would have been crying and screaming at the same time and i would have been kicking that door in andf breaking windows, going Ape crazy…the shutting of th edoor would have been enough for me….I pick up on nonvberbal before i pick up on things, I have always thought, there is alot telling when people are talking…but it tells me more when people ARE NOT TALKING,, when they go into shut down mode and doing more than they are saying….His actions would have got another reaction from me….i would have beat in his dooor with my foot body fist whatever i had to have done….but that is just me..im very reactive…and i say this…could of , would of, should of, will not bring these babies back but it doesnt have to happen anymore….these kids have families, friends and God….All three catagories say we are to protect these kids, even criminlas have codes of ethics when they are harming kids, almost ritual, even in their demented states, it is to ease the burden of their consciences….so dont tell me we we as a caring society should not do MORE to protect over and above anything else….PROTECT THESE KIDS…. ….we have to start fixing these failed systems, departments…all the way up and down, why not just start some where in the middle. I think we can change things if enough people start praticing it. social standards and child etiquette would be starters….but i think the goverment agencies have become so arrogant, they think things are more complex…there is a desensitization in alot of theses agencies. they view their careers as just a simple job or task, not interfacing with mainstream soceity at a personal level…they lack empathy. understanding of the personal-ness and commitment they have to th efamily unit. it cross-pollinates mainstream society standards with personal standards. agencies do things in standard form, when personal effects become more Obscured (large or broad area) where does someones emotions stand and common sense and reason take over…???? sorry for my rant….
I sat the other day imagining those kids walking in that house with not an assumption in the world as to what was about to happen- happy to see their father, (even with all the rumors and comments they have been exposed to, kids are resilient), nonjudmental towards all the things WE as adults sit here and discuss….it pains me….it hurts so bad for what i can only imagine happen inthe next second, to try to fathom what those kids were thinking and seeing in their dads eyes lay upon them and the degree of real hate it must take to hurt your own child.. i also hear the words hate as that allison powell relative made…..be wise very wise…those kids never deserved this….they didnt even see it coming, but so many people did, and waited for it to happen?? Hate doesnt kill people, guns dont kill people…people kill people….and it is more prevalent then it has even been becasue society is desensitized to reactions and criminals are made out like heros…this is tragic and horrible in every imaginable level….KIDS are being used as weapons and pawns…i just cant phathom why systems cant see this and put levels in place to protect that.
i want to apologize for my ranting to everyone here, i have so much to say but get overloaded on my message. forgive me please
one more thing then i will shut up—the word oppression comes to mind everytime i open this blog about Susan, she was suffering so bad she didnt even se eit.. all she wante dto do is love someone that she thought didn tknow how to love…so she could try tot each him…she was so different it appreas than he was……i sensed alot of oppresion as things came out about this case….and now reading the simple comments about when they went to eat out.. Josh ate what he wanted but Susan had to get something from the dollar menu… well my personal opinion is i do beleive in the fact there will be alot of media hype and there are some truths to some of the comments that are being made…..if that comment is in fact, valid?? i would say the writing has been on the walls for a long time and some family has some resposibilties themselves over these outcomes coming to existance…..wake up America! change the world by changing your values! kids above wants needs and desires… children first in these domestic situations. THANKS.
@ Blink, give me a sec. I read & also heard on the news that she didn’t have her cell on her person so she went to the car, which is where she called from. I’ll brb. Hugs to you as I know you’re feeling all of the same things all of us are but yours is even deeper bc I’m sure you’re writing a follow up. Xox.
@Blink…
abcnews DOT go DOT com/
US/josh-powell-told-sons-surprise/story?id=15549745
“I’m saying, ‘Let me in, Josh, let me in,’” Hall said. “I realized I didn’t have my phone in my hand and I could smell gas. Too much time had passed and I could smell gas.” Hall said she went to move her car and call 911, whom she said did not acknowledge that it was a true emergency. She called her supervisor, but it was too late.
Food for thought~ When I saw a crime happening outside in front of my home I had a hard time giving my address to the 911 dispatcher. I’m SURE the social worker was feeling more panic than I did that night. Not making excuses- just saying that until you walk in someone’s shoe it’s hard to tell how you’d react.
mommystop says:
February 10, 2012 at 11:47 am
After reserving comment until today and as a mother of 6 I can only express SHOCK that Kathryn Nelson did not stop ALL visitation until after the psychosexual exam verdict. I hope she goes to bed each night with a mental vision of those boys before she can sleep. I might spit on her if I saw her frankly. I would ask her in HOW MANY of her cases do the court appointed psychologists recommend a psychosexual evaluation and if one was ordered in this case should that NOT have been enough to cease visitation until it was complete? How many weeks could it possibly take to complete? Two to three IF you had nothing to hide and were motivated to get your kids back. Was it really SUCH an infringement on POS rights to keep him from seeing the boys until this was complete?
MOMMASTOP, this all goes back to a system that is just going through the motions without hearing the messages…they have case after cas eload and they are just shuffling paper, goingth emotions as if it is business on wallstreet, without hearing the horror of the actual dictionary descriptions of what rhese individuals are living breathing and sleeping, they are treating them without prejudice, judgement or biases.. everyone gets their fair shake, jus tlike you do when you lack empathy, compassion and you are desensitized to reactions and you are trained to respond to things in a professional educated manner, these Case workers are trained, they are traine dto mimick a caring compassionate person…its a JOB. they need to teach sesativity training like they do to fire fighters and policeman that go to these rescue missions, you never see a policeman walking around looking for kids in a trans-mechincal mode….these caseworkers act like robots. ;o) just my two-cents. sorry if i offend anyone.
Also, she called her supervisor first I though… Isn’t that what’s been widely reported? It’s what started this whole frenzy as far as emergency protocol is concerned (for what it’s worth bc nobody knows how to appropriately act unless trained).
My gut, hmmm well my gut tells me Griffin-Hall has an amazing heart and love for children. Personally, with seeing online what she’s been involved in with foster placement, I believeher purpose is to work with uniting children with a family. I personally feel she was ill trained for this dramatic situation, afterall who really could be? However, from the state level, those with licenses and experience in supervised visitation involving similar backgrounds would be taught signs to look for and immediate emergency response to follow if the need should arise. She lacks any of this knowledge. That frightens me. I know this couldn’t be predicted HOWEVER it definitely could have been prevented. It frightens me bc how many more “contracted” social workers are out there that aren’t trained for proper emergency protocol?
State level right on down to 911 dispatch. Experience = knowledge. Finding and accepting fault is the first step. Education and training is an absolute must.
A social worker is the closest link between a family and the state. They should be trained in everything when considering skeptical circumstances surrounding a parent. There’s no way that anybody less trained than those at state levels should be allowed that type of job. Education & experience has to be a priority. Griffin-Hall is experienced as a liaison between foster kids and prospective families. Like she said – “this is a high profile case” – therefore I pretty much think it’s a given that anybody should have known the background & what honestly could have happened…which is exactly what happened.
@Blink – Here’s another:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/296366/20120210/josh-powell-told-boys-big-surprise.htm
Snipped:
“I’m saying, ‘Let me in, Josh, let me in,” Griffin-Hall said. “I realized I didn’t have my phone in my hand and I could smell gas. Too much time had passed and I could smell gas,” the social worker added.
She picked up her phone from her car and alerted 911, but the woman who spoke to her from the other end asked Griffin-Hall whether it was a true emergency. She then called up a higher official in the 911 response team but it was already too late.
“I said to (her boss) Lyn, something terrible is happening here, and I was on the phone with Lyn when the house exploded,” she said.
Titch I agree this verbiage says the phone was in her car, I think it is being mis-reported in that piece.
I believe her phone was in her bag, on her person, and the rest is interpretations based on the 911 loose-verbiage.
B
Important point, Riverpearl.
If the children were allowed to run ahead, consider her like a Grandma, “”climb all over” her “like a piece of furniture” Griffin-Hall is not a professional worker.
Is this just our loosey-goosey Northwestern states cultural approach? Can we train employees to act more professionally?
1.) You are always prompt and you enter your arrival time in your documents–either manual or electronic.
2.)You always carry your facesheet, with notepad in your professional binder (or portfolio (leather, black, business card holder,writing pad, pen loop)
3.) You have a working cell phone. In areas of limited service, you use satellite communication. If this is not possible, the visit is held where communication is available.
4.) You, the caseworker, are in charge of the visit from beginning to end. You will be wearing your automatic Crap Detector, as usual.
5.) A working relationship is not a personal relationship. You can have feelings and care about your clients, but you must remain professionally distant.
6.)Your clients have *supervised* visitation because there is a fear that something could happen to their children.
7.) Can this be anymore clear? Capisce?
On Dr Phil now… Denise and the Coxes..
Hi, Blink and everybody -
I just wanted to update everyone on the issue of the Westboro folks. They CANCELLED their planned protest.
Here’s the link. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/10/10374794-anti-gay-westboro-church-cancels-protest-at-powell-sons-funeral
I just want to add that I am in awe of Chuck and Judy Cox. Except for the Kesse’s, I can think of no other family that has shown such dignity and tried to remain above the righteous anger they feel concerning the tragedy that has befallen them. To lose any child is beyond belief – but to lose your daughter and her 2 children is grief of biblical proportions! God bless them!!
Hall said she went to move her car and call 911….
WTF????? Smelled gas and went to move her car because….it’s safety was more important than those two babies???!!!
riverpearl, that case worker being objective was never in full play…she was being subjected to that POS on every visitation and interfacing with the POS. She should have bene more aware and had the preconcieved notion (gift of fear) that something could have happened at any given one of those visitations. SHe should have been on guard for any kind of unusual activity all th eway up to how he interacted with her and how he spoke about the children. Are officials in these departments trained not to gather preconcieved notions or make assumptions based only on their personal theories? political correctness and shouldering proper behavior for a State official should have went out the door when her intuition kicked in and she realized something was wrong standing on that door step…could she bring herself to say, the man had a crazy look in his eyes and she knew then he was about to do something….or would crazy be too descriptive of a word and warrant her being judged as being judgemental or being prefjudice against mental health issues the man might have had previously….i see too many media and governement officials worried about political aime and correctiveness. Who cares who you offend if it saves th elife of a child. WHo cares how many assumptions and accusations have to be made….Lord knows we are all humans and if it is inthe best interest of a childn then you damn straight i am going to get involved and say something against ya, if i feel youir doing something wrong….what does it matter if i offend you and who protects me for saying something and it being construde as false information….this is why you dont have people coming forwards and protecting children…this is why i point out.. laws are designed to protec tthe criminal more than the innocent bystanders and the children,, caretakers, case workers and al the way up to government: they have too much to loose if something is deemed harrassment or misconstrude, or worse falsely reported….the water gets murky here, becasue media hype comes in and then it is even worse…..this is why it has to come from government, change the laws, protect the children, preserveation of the children first….first and foremost, the protection of the child should take presidence over any and all goals. If a family can get back a standard of living and morale and eithics are restored to some standardized level….. and a child can be reunited to a family, that is a great outcome… but should not be the only outcome if damaging things persist (abuse)(threats)(fear) or can be found throughout the relationship ad interactions of the parents..(basically if the parent shows no signs of rehab-ing themselves or wanting to get better…(deny anything going wrong or not wanting to take responsibility of how things could be better)….. It is ashame that Josh could not see that instea dof spewing defnsive words for himself, he should have been crying out for help in protection fo rhis children and wanting protection for his family….those children were suffering trauma of not having their mother, things were coming out. Instead the dad and Monster-Grandpa was denying everything and defneding themselves….not even worried about what kind of effects those kids were being exposed to having the type of reputation his family had …and what kind of long terms affects his grandchildren would be put in position to defend at a later life..Trust me, i dont want to be put in the position to think any of my family has issues like this and being called to question for abuse of children….THAT IS JUST SICK. And most of Society views it the same way, there is only a very small percentage of society that thinks it is okay to interact with children in that fashion and to expose themselves to that kind of scrutiny in front of children.. children are very impressionist, and they might grow up thinking this type of behavior was just fine….this is what is wrong with society… SOME HAVE No standards! Family unity can begin only when preservation begins. ;o)
When Josh Powell shut the door on Elizabeth Griffin-Hall the social worker said she heard two things:
“I heard him say, ‘Charlie, I’ve got a real surprise for you!’ and that was real normal because he always had surprises for the children,” Griffin-Hall told ABC News Thursday.
The evil within this phrase takes my breath away for I know that hideous acts of destruction and mayhem follow his promising remark. I believe JP was “grooming” the boys for his final destructive act. Of course, they would run to him, “he always had surprises for the children.” Griffin-Hall stated. I believe he was also “grooming” her to believe he was a kind loving father he presented himself to be rather than the hideous monster that he was.
And then, “I heard Braden cry out and I thought Braden had bumped his foot.”
I would imagine Griffin-Hall now cringes whenever she recalls Braden crying out. One can only imagine what atrocity Braden was actually responding to. This will probably haunt her for the rest of her life. It haunts me.
“His eyes caught mine and he had a look in his eyes,” she said. “If I were to describe it as a look on his face, it was, kind of … it was friendly enough, it was just kind of sheepish.” I believe what Griffin-Hall saw was a classic psychopathic smirk, the telltale sign of the evil about to occur. She probably had never encountered anything like this before. I think JP fooled this woman; psychopaths are very skilled at wearing what Sandra Brown writes about in her book “Mask of Sanity.” They look normal, but THEY ARE NOT! The brains of psychopaths are markedly different from a normal individual. They are hard wired to behave in particular ways. This does not excuse their behavior it merely explains it and thus out to be considered reason for protecting society from their atrocious behavior.
I believe JP was “grooming” the social worker and the boys. I also think most people would have been fooled by him. Dr. Robert Hare, the psychologist who created the Psychopathic Questionnaire used by justice systems and the mental health professionals throughout the world contends that “normal” people are deceived by psychopaths every day, even he has been fooled.
Yes, it would have been wonderful if the social worker and the 911 worker had behaved differently. However, the biggest mistake is society’s denial of the existence of evil. We have failed to obtain and provide adequate education for discerning the presence of psychopathology. Additionally, the Judaea/Christian world, proponents of political correctness, and those who belief everybody is good have difficulty believing that 1-4% of the population have psychopathic personalities and alternative relational dynamics are required for personal and community safety. Denying an atrocity does not take away its destructive nature, it merely allows the victimization of unsuspecting individuals. The victim(s) is not at fault for entering into a relationship with a psychopath; do not even go there, they have been targeted. It is not a victim’s deficit that causes the attraction it is their strengths, strengths which the psychopath does not possess and cannot possess except through their parasitic manipulative behavior. Shalom, Sharai
i am sorry my keyboard needs replacing and i need to slow down.. my apologies in advance and after the fact…how aweful of me to expect you all to read my rants with so many errors, let alone my aweful run on sentences..please give me a pass… thank you. i had to go very slow to type this even…i hope you all can receive my message the same. I mean well, that is all that matters. Have a better day…prayers for the innocence in all of this…it hurts so bad trying to imagine what it was like for those little boys…chokes me up and is deeply disheartening…i mourn that the last thing those babies remember was someone they loved unconditionally hurt them in an unimaginal way, they had no one to cry out to….no one to give them comforts….i know Jesus was there with them during their jouney through that hell, i have to beleive that. That is for me, i admit it, Blink, i dont know how you can do this,to stand the pain each one of these criminals and cases subject you to, it is hard to sit through the experiences of reading it…i find myself, crying screaming and in horror over some of the things, to get past just bringing these people to justice…to find them and give them a fair trial seems unfair to the victim but i know in my heart it is fair to the victim in a way for justice to be served…being fair to the criminal is justice served at best. Even though i know the drill-PRAYER…that is the only way i can be on the outside looking in on this…they had real pain and sorrow, nothing like what we endure walking back through and reliving the hell to understand it all and hold people accountable… REAL PAIN and all they had to endure,day in and day out for the victims is what we are fighting for and those precious children… God rest their sweet little souls.
I hope CPS authorities in Waterville are paying attention to what happened to Braden and Charlie!
http://news.yahoo.com/dangers-baby-aylas-home-pose-threat-cousin-gabriella-222400128.html
@lyla says:
February 10, 2012 at 12:15 am
I haven’t seen anything regarding a funeral service for Josh Powell. Anyone know if there is going to be one?
@February 9, 2012 at 4:21 pm
A statement from the Powell family says they have decided to delay memorial services for Josh Powell to allow the children to be memorialized and “give everyone a chance to deal with this devastating situation one step at a time.”
Decided to delay services? I don’t buy that excuse for a minute.
B
Something I’ve been tracking (those who have for eyars commented that JP is not to blame, like Aline) and I would keep an eye on “Uncle Fixer”: http://www.youtube.com/user/unclefixer.
COuld Uncle Fixer BE (and note I am not sure but he has been the only one making comments that JP is innocent from Day 1) Ralph Powell? It is going around the web that JP (might have?) had an uncle who was a Forensic Commander in Utah in the region JP and Susan lived… recently retired. IF all that is so, we may understand why teh Utah police have been stymied.
Just thinking, those boys were doomed from the day their Mom disappeared. Removing them from his custody, was just an extension of the inevitable, due to the failure of the system, that was supposed to protect them. Otherwise, I doubt they would have seen Christmas.
@Westboro Baptist Church & @Media – Thank you to WBC for canceling the protect AND thank you to the media for accommodating them with a different platform. There is so much pain felt around the world right now. I’m glad there is a tradeoff so as to prevent added turmoil at an already distressful upsetting event. That was one of my prayers, so yep I know God’s listening.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/josh-powell-funeral-protest-cancelled-by-westboro-church/2012/02/10/gIQAf7S73Q_blog.html
Posted at 10:58 AM ET, 02/10/2012
Josh Powell’s sons’ funeral protest cancelled by Westboro Church in exchange for air time
By Elizabeth Flock
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Police-Josh-Powells-computer-con-139088979.html
Blood-stained comforter found at Josh Powell’s storage unit
by KING 5 News and Associated Press
Posted on February 10, 2012 at 7:01 AM
Updated today at 2:36 PM
Snipped:
SEATTLE — Authorites on Friday said a search of Josh Powell’s storage unit revealed a blood-stained comforter, which police in West Valley City, Utah are now testing. The search conducted on Tuesday also revealed a plastic bin, boxes, garbage bags with children’s clothing and toys and framed photos.
POS sister Alina said on her 911 call she got several emails. One twenty minutes ago? What did she do for that twenty minutes. If anyone could have stopped this tragedy it was Sister Alina.
I want to see all her emails and the times they where sent and why she did not notify anyone sooner. She said something weird was forwarded. Perhaps infomation about the money. She was POS go to person for final details. Why did she wait? She knew in the call that POS had vistitation on Sunday. Didn’t she say that during the 911 call. If she knew POS had vist with children on Sunday and he was speaking of ending his life why didn’t she call someone sooner.
In a werid way perhaps POS was asking her to stop him. She had several emails from him? When did they start. Then she refused to give her information to the police and they had to get a warrent. What utilities needed to be shut off. Certianly not the one where he was at. Is there another residence involved? The home in Utah is being rented where he and Susan and the kids lived. His Family lives in his Fathers house. I am scratching my head. What more will come out. Was utilites a code word for something.
In her call she was hysterical crying afarid to go there for what she would see. He lived a few miles from her and she didn’t know the address. I don’t buy that one. She knew he was serious and something terrible was happening. Why didn’t she act?
I have such an unshakeable queeze about her I cannot explain it professionally.
She is like her Father dressed like a woman, and that man produces a gag reflex on site.
I consider it a professional failure at the moment why I am so skeeved out by these people outside of the obvious reasons except to say that on intuition alone, there is so much more to the depravity of this family.
B
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Comforter-in-Powell-unit-tests-positive-for-blood-3247957.php
Comforter in Powell unit tests positive for blood
MANUEL VALDES, Associated Press, MIKE BAKER, Associated Press
Updated 03:53 p.m., Friday, February 10, 2012
Snipped:
Pierce County detectives reported finding a gray-blue-pink comforter with a stain. The search warrant documents say the comforter tested positive for blood. Investigators planned to perform further tests.