Kyron Horman Missing Case Breaking News: Remains Believed To Be Human Located Off Sauvie Island
Sauvie Island, Oregon-There are unconfirmed reports that a teenage boy fishing off of Sauvie Island located a human skull, and potentially other human body parts.
Update 1: As referenced on KOIN, a teenage fisherman believes he snagged a scalp with human hair attached, which he originally thought was horse hair. Columbia County detectives cordoned off the scene last evening and MCSO dive teams entered the water but found nothing. The possible “hair” was sent for testing.
Multnomah County Sheriff Office will not comment on the find, or confirm whether their office has facilitated the removal of same, or forwarded any items to the medical examiner for testing.
Following the disappearance of Kyron Horman, Sauvie Island has been the subject of repeated searchers for the missing Skyline second grader with no results.
It is also the former home of a man considered to be Federal fugitive following a confrontation with a Lincoln City officer with nearly fatal results. Officer Steven Dodds was able to return to duty after extensive rehabilitation.
Durham was a Sauvie Island resident for over 6 years and a volunteer fire fighter until he was removed from duty 6 months prior to the shooting.
David Durham’s dog was recovered injured following what appeared to be an accident in the suspects vehicle and is being cared for by a friend of the family. Mr. Durham has not been seen since his vehicle was recovered in the bay town of Waldport, Oregon.
Please check back to www.blinkoncrime.com for updates to this breaking story.
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First heard of this from a small blurb on the 11:00 o’clock news last night. Mentioned Kantor calling Terri a prime suspect, but also had a quick little interview of Kaine saying “this doesn’t change anything”, or something along those lines. Just thought I’d pass along his comment.
I haven’t read the ruling yet, but the excerpts given in the reports make it sound like the judge is questioning his own ruling to deny the abatement. In any case, I don’t see much difference, if the case goes forward, there’s no doubt in my mind that Terri Horman would plead the 5th, so IMO it’s the discovery that is allowed to continue and the depositions of others that will be of significance in this case. I do think that this is significant:
2/Should the plaintiff be required to establish “reasonable suspicion” or “probable cause” that Horman has done what is alleged through other evidence before Horman is required to answer oral or written deposition questions under oath?
I have always thought this civil case was putting the cart before the horse. If #2 is determined to be a factor to letting this case go forward, I think the case will end, because if there was probable cause, Terri would already be in jail. Where is the evidence, unless it comes from new discovery via Rosenthal, there isn’t any. Right?
http://www.kptv.com/story/19335281/new-documents-detail-judges-opinion-in-terri-horman-lawsuit
Multnomah County sheriff’s deputies said the civil case is “independent of the active, ongoing criminal investigation” and that there is no new information to release about possible suspects in the Kyron Horman investigation.
T. Ruth says:
August 22, 2012 at 11:03 am
Snip>>>
interview of Kaine saying “this doesn’t change anything”
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@T. Ruth- I saw that too, but can’t find in on-line. I found it a bit strange, what do you think?
cd says:
August 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Do you have a link to Dede’s cousin going public about Kyron being on her families property I have never read or even heard that mentioned before it is not mentioned in the article you linked.
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The thread has been deleted but he (Dede’s cousin) was posting at Godlike Productions, a conspiracy forum. He was giving a lot of information and I think the forum owner finally deleted the thread. It’s been two years and I don’t even recall the cousins name but it was proven that he was in fact the person he said he was. **Be careful going to this forum, Kaspersky sent me a warning when I just went there.
One of the things he posted was that Dede was capable of being involved and that their family (grandmother I believe) had property that the child might be buried on. He later must have been pressured because he changed his tune and said he really didn’t think Dede would have been involved, that she loved kids, yada yada yada.
There was some discussion of it here or at Scared Monkey’s during that first summer that’s what led me to it.
Amys Sis, point me in the right direction….
I’ve never seen a report that says Terri moved her truck, nor have I ever seen a report that Dede’s cousin said Kyron might be on family property. Help?
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Hi TRuth. The report does not specifically say she moved it. Bad choice of words on my part. I surmised she moved her truck based on the LE presser which included photos and media reports. See below:
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/08/11/police-seek-info-on-stepmom-friend-in-kyron-horman-case/
At an afternoon news conference, investigators displayed photos of a white Ford F250 pickup truck parked in front of Skyline Elementary School in Portland, where Horman has said she last saw Kyron on June 4. Other photos showed the truck parked on a side street in front of the school and parked in the school parking lot.
“We are interested in speaking with any person who may have seen the truck at the Skyline Elementary School that morning in or near the locations depicted in the photographs … between the approximate hours of 8:15 and 8:45 that morning,” Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said.
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See my post to CD regarding Dede’s cousin.
Blink,
I have been thinking and praying for you and your family.
I am not as smart as you and the other Blinksters, so can you please answer this question?
If Terri is innocent, why is she pleading the 5th? Her own lawyer states it is so she will not
incriminate herself.
Thank you so much!!!
It was Terri’s attorney who labled her the prime suspect. Kantor only mirrored that in his opinion.
He weighed each point on whether to stay or not, the long investigation being one of those points and this is the pivotal reason for the civil suit. Desiree has a legal right for her voice and evidence to be heard in a court of law and the judge is addressing that right.
LE chose not to take a stance on the suit which essentially left the door open for Desiree.
The judge is weighing the rights of each party in the fairest way possible. This is groundbreaking and could set a new precedent for future similar cases. It seems to me the onus is now on Desiree to prove she has reason to compel Terri to speak.
@T Ruth
What was Kaine saying didn’t make any difference
This suit or prime suspect
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/kyron+judge+doc+821.pdf
On page 8 there something really stood out to me: “Current special appearance” byond “appearance.”
Anyone know what that means?
Wow, proofread much Lauren? Lol sorry….
Blogopolitical Sean has no articles since Aug. 2,
though he posted every few days before that.
Open letter to Blink –
Dear Blink,
If you produced a fantastic piece solving this entire case and won a Nobel Peace Prize, none of us would be surprised. However, we would all be happy with “your latest” in any format you wish to use.
Given the enormous number of comments this case has generated, I, for one, would be pleased to have (1) a summary of what we as a group definitely, without question, know to be true as of today, (2) a list of things you already know (and therefore, LE knows) for certain but for which you feel you cannot share the details [example: where is RS, but without actually giving that information], (3) a summary of things we suspect could be true, such as profiles, deductions, etc., and (4) what we could be doing to help. These could easily be 4 different articles.
I know you have concerns and opinions about the court case, but it is what it is, and will be what they make of it, and nothing we can do will alter that, unless of course, we solve the case. Be assured, I will be happy to read anything you write, but my point is that, for me, it isn’t necessary to include everything at once.
NOT trying to tell you how to do your work, just want you to know that if you feel stressed or rushed about publishing, it’s understandable and totally acceptable. As you can see, we are all still hanging in there and tossing our ideas in the ring no matter what.
Love, respect, and support to you.
MBS- I am going to make you and our fine readers and contributors a deal. As I am scrambling to get back to blink as best I can, I have a case I am writing on that is what I would consider a public safety necessity. I need to prioritize that way for today because I am the eqiuvalent of prison cutlery right now, with the sincere desire to be a shiny and effective spork very soon.
I will post a link to my new piece in this thread, and I will try my bestest to do an editorial piece on the civil case to date by the end of the week. It may be a be careful what you wish for scenario, I advise in advance, lol.
This work I am proud of, and feel strongly I do well because I am supposed to, is like watching shark week before heading to the beach anymore. I am told that is normal.
Spork me for a while, I guess.
B
“The parties may conduct pretrial discovery of evidence and witnesses other than the defendant without restriction.”
Without restriction? Does this include LE? It makes sense that it would. What if Desiree or Terri bring something before the court that LE clearly knows isn’t factual?
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Kantor Order regarding Stay, page 7
“Where does this leave the parties? The parties may conduct pretrial discovery of evidence and witnesses other than the defendant without restriction”
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/kyron+judge+doc+821.pdf
FWIW, I found the video of KH’s reaction yesterday:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-in-civil-case-writes-Terri-Horman-is-suspect-in-Kyron-case-166965376.html?tab=video&c=y
@Idahogal. I know zero, just googling while I drive @ wait for kids at multiple places .
This am I found this interesting from the 5th Circuit: p 9-10
http://www.skv.com/default/File/csmysercase.108.pdf
re stays, but it says prosecutors can use pre-indictment depositions from civil cases, but not ones
taken in the civil case after indictment. So now I have a guess why that GJ is suspended rather
than voting on an indictment. Also I read the url as saying usually it’s prosecutors who
seek the stay of the civil case. For why, see url.
@Stars
Terri is probably guilty of something illegal that she does not want to talk about but it may be that the crime she is covering up is not disappearing Kyron but some other nefarious activity.
@ Blink – no prob – just wanted you to know whatever you are doing, it’s OK
Thank you kindly MBS, I apologize that I did not acknowledge your sentiment more succinctly.
B
Blink, you always do your bestest…and that is why you are the bestest. Time is just that..time..you do what is best at this time.
TY Ode. I am not holding the stopwatch for the first time ever, really, so I will defer.
B
RE: Lauren says:
August 22, 2012 at 1:34 pm
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/kyron+judge+doc+821.pdf
On page 8 there something really stood out to me: “Current special appearance” byond “appearance.”
Anyone know what that means?
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A “special appearance” means that the party is entering an appearance in the case for a limited purpose, and without necessarily submitting to the broad jurisdiction of the court.
Sorry Essay, I missed this. To further your correct response if I may- it could also indicate that as a full appearance by this counsel is not forthcoming- vis a vie new representation and Judge Kantor does not want any bait and switch. As if.
B
@MBS. DA/LE would not take a position that she is a suspect nor relate the covil to criminal case, except to say they are UNrelated, unless the DA was requesting the stay, which DAs often do, not wanting their criminal case jeopardized.
IMO the DA absolutely did not want the stay. It is in the DA’s strategery imo to get the depositions done and save Terri’s for last (I suspect J-HK to give her a couple days notice). I suppose if any deposed person testifies differently
from their grand jury testimony, they will be charged with perjury to the grand jury. Like Curley/Schultz, to get them to plead and say what DA expects.
Personally, after my recent reading on overlapping cases with comcurrent covil & criminal, my
opinion is DA’s failure to ask for a civil stay tells me he doesn’t have enough evidence to charge Terri with jaywalking much less a felony.
Hey, that jaywalking line is mine, lol. You can use “what are you going to do, charge me with smoking?”
Wear pants is my further advice.
B
sorry for typos. Distracted errander today & turning a 12 drive tomorrow likely into 16 as usual.
Looking forward to reading others, and Blink’s upcoming new editorial edifice. I sure miss Lea. Googling
is no legal sage substitute.
lol, Atty Conner will be making an appearance but will not recommend the veal.
B
Veal, yuck. Wise as always.
Hope dog is updated too.
jaywalking must be imprinted
on my subconscious by wiser than I.
@Blink wrt Kyron Horman case. It is very challenging to
spork a moving target (DA/LE/bio strategies in concert imo)
while simultaneously confronting an immoveable object (LE’s investigation itself
and its subscribers).
Thanks Essay Kaye and Blink for clarifying for me!
So are we to assume she has not yet appeared?
Blink
I can see that it is time to think.
Before you post right now
I feel a little uneasy with my posts
It seems like the whole world is watching or something
Like that
I wish you smiles
I am smiling at you right now Malty, thank you.
B
Stars says:
August 22, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Blink,
I have been thinking and praying for you and your family.
I am not as smart as you and the other Blinksters, so can you please answer this question?
If Terri is innocent, why is she pleading the 5th? Her own lawyer states it is so she will not
incriminate herself.
Thank you so much!!!
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@ Stars – Blink may not get to your question, so I thought I’d repost something that cd shared which helped me in the past. By the way, there is no “smart meter” at BOC, in my experience. Everybody’s questions and comments are welcome and any one of them could lead to new information or possibilities in this case. As you can see, last year I had the same question you just asked, as did others. Cd posted a good answer from another site and I am sharing it below. I hope it helps.
cd says:
July 2, 2011 at 4:36 am
[in answer to] MockingbirdSings says:
July 2, 2011 at 12:57 am
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-162/#comment-1710111
Here is what I think was a good explanation of taking the fifth without necessarily admitting to a criminal act.
This is taken from a poster on a Websleuths ask a lawyer blog.
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You can “plead the 5th” in any context at any time. The only requirement is that you have some basis for believing that your testimony may tend to incriminate you. A common misconception is that this means you actually have to be guilty of some crime but the “incriminate” in this context simply means to make it more likely that you would be prosecuted for a crime. The Supreme Court has affirmed that the 5th Amendment’s privilege against self-incrimination exists, in part, “to protect innocent men … who otherwise might be ensnared by ambiguous circumstances.” Accordingly, it would defeat the purpose of the protection if you could only use it after you had been charged and put on trial.
-snip
Let’s say you witnessed that car accident because you were out taking a late night walk – something you ate earlier was keeping you awake. Coincidentally, a house down the block was robbed that night and the police are looking for a perpetrator based on a description that could easily fit you. You had nothing to do with the robbery but you don’t have a verifiable alibi for the relevant time period either. When called to testify as a witness in civil litigation regarding the car accident, you would be entitled to plead the 5th because going on record to declare that you were in that location at that time might make it more likely that you could be prosecuted for the robbery.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108830&page=18
[and I replied]
@ cd says:
July 2, 2011 at 4:36 am and
July 2, 2011 at 3:11 am
Thanks for your help with my Fifth Amendment questions. It sounds like a person could of course, be guilty of something, but it could also have to do with answers the person couldn’t prove were true or that connected them with a different person/situation, leaving them open to prosecution for a crime. We know TH has time on June 4th when she can’t or won’t verify where she was, for example, but if she gave the same answers under oath, it would be taken even more seriously in a future case than when being questioned by a detective and not under oath.
@Amys Sister says:
August 22, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Okay, thanks. I see how one could surmise that LE was hinting that Terri moved her truck, but IMO it does not mean she did, especially, considering the discussion we’ve had about the possibility of more than one white pickup.
As far as anything that was posted on GLP, I would take it with a huge block of salt. I read most of his posts. TJ, Tom Jones, or whatever his real name is, as far as I know, was never verified to be Dede’s cousin and even if he really was, he could be full of you know what. Just sayin’.
I just thought maybe I’d missed something, thanks for clearing it up.
@Stars says:
August 22, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I’m not trying to answer for Blink, but it is really quite simple. LE is building a *circumstantial case* against Terri Horman. Terri Horman became aware of this at the time of the failed sting, although my guess is she already had an inkling when LE first released a flyer with her face on it, maybe even earlier on when LE towed the truck. Anything she
says……….anything………can and will be used against her in that circumstantial case. Therefore her attorney has told her to clam up. So in the civil case, I’m guessing she’ll be advised to plead the 5th.
I’m afraid I’d be doing the same thing even if I were innocent, but most especially if I were innocent. AMOO
As promised:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/08/23/erika-megan-sharpton-murder-suspect-match-identified-in-codis-warrants-immediate-arrest-or-public-warning-da-says-wait/
Rose says:
August 22, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Snip>>>
@Idahogal. I know zero,
@Rose- Not true! TY for replying, I value your posts and thoughts greatly.
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Amys Sister says:
August 22, 2012 at 12:04 pm
cd says:
August 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Snip>>>>
Do you have a link to Dede’s cousin going public about Kyron being on her families property I have never read or even heard that mentioned before it is not mentioned in the article you linked.
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Ya’ know, I copied pages of his posts from several forums. I have a whole “file” on him, and agree with @Amy’s Sister. I kind of put him in the same boat with JW, neither with a paddle, fighting a swift current of their own making. If you have any questions in particular, I can look at my notes and see what I can find. IMO LE chatted with him on more than one occassion, at least twice by his own admission.
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Blink, you are doing better than you think you are. I’ve never been disappointed by any of your posts, just take your time and breathe through the tears that come along.
@Malty says:
August 22, 2012 at 1:25 pm
@T Ruth
What was Kaine saying didn’t make any difference
This suit or prime suspect
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I took his comment as being toward the “prime suspect” term used by the Judge.
I can’t find the 11:00 news video, but here’s the following day. Report starts at 5:11 on the video (news source today august 22, 5 am) and in this one Kaine just says it’s restating in different words what we already know.
http://www.kmtr.com/mediacenter/local.aspx
Finally got around to reading this one. And I have a question.
(snipped)
Multnomah County parole officers such as Tracey Madsen, who was supervising Brown, rely on risk assessments to guide their approach to a typical caseload of 45 sex offenders.
For nearly a decade, Oregon has used Hanson’s test, Static-99. The test rates each offender based on factors such as number of prior sex offenses, prior nonsexual violence and whether victims were strangers or relatives. The test is used only for men because ***the number of female sex offenders is so low that data on their recidivism are considered unreliable***.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/07/predicting_a_predators_next_mo.html
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Since the number of female sex offenders is so low, is it possible that sex offenders have an overdose of testosterone in their brains? Are they ever tested to see if the have any estrogen at all? I’m just curious if anyone has seen a study on this sort of thing. Would it be possible to treat them with some hormone medications if and when they are released from prison? Heck, maybe it’s already being done. I’ve never seen a report on this, but I guess I can go Google it.
GLP was highly intertaining but I never believed Tom Jones
He could have been anyone
And I have forgot why the place was closed down
Answered my own question about the hormones. Lots of studies and treatments going on out there.
Malty says:
August 23, 2012 at 2:21 pm
GLP was highly intertaining but I never believed Tom Jones
He could have been anyone
And I have forgot why the place was closed down
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GLP deleted their thread because of all the nutty postings and I think some of the posters there kept calling the FBI on other posters. Because Dede’s supposed cousin choose GLP as a place to post would make me doubtful of the his or her authenticity. I think at least one of the main posters there has been blogged about as being somewhat less then honest about comments and identities. JMO
It is really sad that a child is missing and so many people seem to think it was their call to create
Drama
And I hope if Kyron is alive he is getting his eyes checked and teeth taken care off
And is in good health
Prayers for him
You are the heart and soul of us. Thank you for saying that, in just the right words.
Malty says:
August 23, 2012 at 12:00 am
it is just beyond belief how sick some people are
Montesano (WA) woman accused of sexually exploiting infant son: “Myriah L. Moreland is accused of trading the sexually explicit photos with a 20-year-old Spanaway man named Christopher M. Dupea….The detectives say Moreland and Dupea used social networking websites to trade a number of images of child pornography. Moreland also allegedly admitted to Dupea that she had engaged in sexual acts with her son.”
WTH, the kid is only a few months old!
“There were both images and videos that quite frankly are disturbing, to say the least. Even some of our most tenured and seasoned detectives hadn’t seen images like those ever,” said Lt. Ron Mead of the Investigative Assistance Division.”
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Montesano-woman-accused-of-sexually-exploiting-infant-son–167286135.html
This story really bothered me and made me wonder about the Horman home. Do they have a septic system? My mind was racing after reading this horrible article and thought back to the ‘claims’ that a SAR dog hit a scent near Horman property (I don’t know if that was ever verified.) I just had a sick feeling after reading this and thinking of little Kyron.
http://www.cbs19.tv/story/19350897/parents-under-investigation-in-death-toddler-found-dead-in-septic-tank-grandfather-arrested-for-violating-sex-offender-laws
Shouldn’t the hair samples been fully analyzed by now – it was early June this is late August. I know it’s now CSI, but it’s been about 2-1/2 months?
Blink, what happened? I’m seeing notes here and there that you are having a sad time just now.
Don’t reply if you don’t want to, but I just wanted to let you know how much we all appreciate your work here and want just good things for you. Prayers for you to continue your important work.
Thank you RedRose, I appreciate your thoughts.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/08/02/saying-goodbye-for-now-lung-cancer-ends-moms-valiant-fight-at-63/
If Sheltered Nook is the road the Hormans live on; homes for sale on that road indicate they have septic. (regarding my previous post) Not saying this is where Kyron is, but I don’t remember anyone bringing this up before.
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This story really bothered me and made me wonder about the Horman home. Do they have a septic system? My mind was racing after reading this horrible article and thought back to the ‘claims’ that a SAR dog hit a scent near Horman property (I don’t know if that was ever verified.) I just had a sick feeling after reading this and thinking of little Kyron.
http://www.cbs19.tv/story/19350897/parents-under-investigation-in-death-toddler-found-dead-in-septic-tank-grandfather-arrested-for-violating-sex-offender-laws
The Truck(s) – I knew I had some notes on the white trucks, found a few of them. Here are two from a few of Blink’s past articles:
puzzled says:
November 21, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Does this mean there was no 2nd white truck and how does this info impact the two white truck theory @ Skyline and later @ FM ?
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There was definately an additional white truck. It was not parked on the access road.
B
Link: http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/11/02/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-sexts-sent-to-kaine-hormans-phone-what/comment-page-41/#comments
and
krowdkat says:
September 19, 2010 at 11:19 am
After re-listening to the Aug. 12th presser, it now seems evident to me that a witness told LE about a make/model of a vehicle parked near the white truck and that LE was asking for parents/relatives of students parked in the vacinity to call in with their make/models so they could eliminate them and then isolate the specific vehicle parked next to TH’s vehicle (the vehicle LE suspects of whisking Ky away from the school).
Two nearly identical white trucks-
One parked in the rear, and Terri parked on the shoulder.
B
Link:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-18/#comments
VLH says
August 24, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Thank you for the posts on the 2 White trucks … and the discussion on the request of LE at their news conference re: anyone park on the side driveway …
I seem to remember a SZ was seen with ky inside the school and ky was seen outside the school with someone … Not TH
VLH says:
August 24, 2012 at 3:37 pm
krowdkat says:
September 19, 2010 at 11:19 am
After re-listening to the Aug. 12th presser, it now seems evident to me that a witness told LE about a make/model of a vehicle parked near the white truck and that LE was asking for parents/relatives of students parked in the vacinity to call in with their make/models so they could eliminate them and then isolate the specific vehicle parked next to TH’s vehicle (the vehicle LE suspects of whisking Ky away from the school).
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I wasn’t on this forum in Sept 2010, but yep, I agree 100% LE is looking for a vehicle parked next to what they, at least, presume to be the Horman truck. The question for me is, what if the pickup in question wasn’t the Horman’s? I posted here, long ago, a picture of the same model & color truck at one of those summer fests held at the school, can’t remember now, but I think it was the summer before, 2009. Means nothing, but it does show in fact that there were other local Skyline neighbors with the same truck as the Hormans, unless, of course it was their truck at the gathering. The picture was from the Skyline Ridge Runner, I think?
Police believe there could be more victims in child porn case
(snipped)
“Because of media reports about the arrest we got a call from someone in Arizona who’d had online contact with Mr. Dupea,” said Lt. Ron Mead, MECTF commander. “That and other information leads us to believe there may be additional victims.”
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Detectives-believe-there-could-be-more-victims-in-child-porn-case-167383625.html?m=y&smobile=y
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Please, tell me this woman isn’t pregnant…
http://kxro.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/montesano-woman-arrested-for-child-pornography-involving-infant-son/myriah-moreland/
Hi blink,
Was any of the info I gave you helpful? Thanks for your time, as always.
L- I just went back through your posts and I see the private request, but not a follow up- it is possible I missed it or if not please mark private and send. Thank you for your time, and I will let you know.
B
FWIW, an audio from Bruce McCain discussing the civil/criminal case.
http://www.kxl.com/common/global_audio/418/73751.mp3
Interesting about the “double-edged sword” statement he makes.
Thank you T Ruth very interesting