Morgan Harrington Murder: FBI, Metallica and Virginia State Police Ask You To Help Them Find Her Killer
Morgan Harrington disappeared from the John Paul Jones arena on October 17, 2009. Morgan’s remains were located and recovered the morning of January 26, 2010 on the Anchorage Farm in Charlottesville, VA.
Reported exclusively on www.blinkoncrime.com, Morgan’s alleged attacker was tied via DNA to a sexual assault in Fairfax, VA in September 2005.
With the help of a multi media campaign, the FBI, Virginia State Police and Fairfax Police are asking for the publics help to catch her killer.
Revised Sketch of Harrington Suspect
Metallica offered this public service announcement:
Metallica Statement On Harrington Case
FBI Press Release:
Authorities Launch Multimedia Campaign in Morgan Harrington Murder Case
Murder Suspect Linked by DNA to Sexual Assault in Fairfax City, Virginia
| FBI Washington June 13, 2012 |
Today, federal, state, and local law enforcement launched a multimedia campaign that includes two enhanced composite sketches of a suspect in the 2009 murder of Virginia Tech student Morgan Harrington. The unknown murder suspect is also connected by DNA to a 2005 sexual assault in Fairfax City, Virginia.
Authorities recently enhanced the composite sketch created in 2005 from a description by the sexual assault victim. One of the composites shows the suspect with facial hair, as the suspect was described at the time of the attack. The second composite sketch features him without facial hair.
The two attacks were connected through DNA after a forensic profile was submitted by the Virginia Department of Forensic Science to the FBI’s national DNA database. The search found that the suspect in the Harrington murder investigation matched the DNA profile of the attacker in Fairfax City.
The multimedia campaign includes a public service announcement by Metallica lead guitarist James Hetfield appealing to the public to come forward with information concerning the Morgan Harrington investigation. The composite sketches of the suspect are being featured on bus shelters in Washington, D.C., as well as on digital billboards in Richmond, Virginia; Roanoke, Virginia; Washington, D.C.; and in 23 other states along the East Coast. Social media outreach and alerts via Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, along with a website dedicated to the Harrington case were also launched Wednesday. Podcasts are now available on iTunes, and radio spots are airing to further raise awareness of the ongoing investigation. The multi-pronged effort is designed to develop new leads and renew the public’s attention in the attacks. The campaign implements techniques similar to those that have led to the arrests of the East Coast Rapist as well as Ten Most Wanted fugitive James “Whitey” Bulger.
The Jefferson Area Crime Stoppers is offering a $100,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for Morgan Harrington’s murder. In addition, the band Metallica is adding $50,000 to the reward, for a total of $150,000.
Morgan Harrington Murder
On the evening of Saturday, October 17, 2009, Harrington attended a Metallica concert at John Paul Jones Arena on the University of Virginia (UVA) campus in Charlottesville, Va. At approximately 8:30 p.m., she left the arena and was unable to re-enter the facility. She was last seen hitchhiking for a ride from passing traffic.
Harrington was dressed that night in a black T-shirt with the word “Pantera” spelled out in tan letters and was wearing a distinctive Swarovski crystal necklace made of large crystal chain links, which investigators have yet to recover. Harrington’s “Pantera” T-shirt was found on November 11, 2009, in front of a row of apartments along 15th Street, NW near Grady Avenue in Charlottesville. Harrington’s skeletal remains were later discovered on January 26, 2010, in a remote field on an Albemarle County, Virginia farm along Route 29. A camera that Harrington had in her possession that night has never been recovered.
Sexual Assault in Fairfax City, Virginia
On the evening of Saturday, September 24, 2005, a 26-year-old victim was walking home from the Giant Food Store located on the 3700 block of Jermantown Road in Fairfax City, Virginia. The suspect grabbed the victim from behind as she walked down Rock Garden Drive toward her residence. He then carried the victim to a grassy area behind a maintenance shed, where he sexually assaulted her. The suspect was last seen running from the area.
The suspect is described as an African-American male with black hair and facial hair at the time of the attack. He is approximately 6’0” tall and was believed to be between the ages of 25 and 35 years old at the time of the attack.
The public is asked to review this information and consider whether they know someone who generally fits this description, who lived or had ties to the area around the times of the assaults, or who may have been known to spend considerable amounts of time in those areas.
People who know the suspect may not believe that he is capable of committing these crimes. He may not necessarily have a violent criminal history. Because investigators are in possession of DNA evidence that can either positively link the suspect to his crimes or exclude innocent parties, citizens should not hesitate to provide information, even if it is just the name of a potential suspect.
The following agencies are cooperating in the investigation of these crimes: the Virginia State Police, City of Fairfax Police, University of Virginia Police, Charlottesville Police, Albemarle County Police, Albemarle County Commonwealth’s Attorney, Virginia Tech Police Department, George Mason Police Department, and the FBI.
Law enforcement agencies are asking anyone with information to contact the FBI at 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324) or the Virginia State Police Tip line at 434-352-3467.
Press Contacts:
Virginia State Police
(804) 263-5547
City of Fairfax Police Department
(703) 273-2889
FBI Richmond Field Office
(804) 261-1044
FBI Washington Field Office
(202) 278-3519
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idk ,thats big loyalty,so he’s getting free drugs.on second thought, i doesnt really play.
Tango~ Good luck to you! It IS slow going, isn’t it? I’m not taking notes either. But, I am copy/pasting interesting post’s into notebook.
I am halfway through separating fact from fiction part 2 so far.
Tango–yes, the spelling’s intentional: it’s not nefarious, though…around the time Morgan was murdered and for a couple years before there was a local blog called “cvillain”, and it somehow morphed into a giant rotating group of townies and students who hung out (mostly on the mall). Basically a bunch of hipsters who “had their fingers on the pulse” of C-Ville…I wasn’t one of them, but I had friends who were. I have no reason to believe any of them (of course, there are hundreds) have any knowledge of what went down, but that dynamic does make me think of the extreme interconnectedness of Cville culture, and makes the fact that police and Blink are saying Sketch had to be familiar with Anchorage really bug me…if he knew Anchorage in any kind of social/familial way, LOTS of people knew him (imho), and I just can’t see the giant web of locals covering for him that would have to exist if that was the case.
But, if his accomplice knew Anchorage, from land parties and the like, it could explain how no one is piecing together Sketch and Anchorage…are we pretty sure there’s a tie to Anchorage? Sometimes people get lucky…sometimes two heads are better than one…I don’t know. It just seems if he had any kind of tie that would cause him to target the farm, people would have jumped on him by now–CVille isn’t a whole town of morally bankrupt conspiracists.
Susanm: I’m not thinking free drugs or owing money could lead a student to participate in what that student thought was going to be a murder…but what if the student was to meet up with Sketch to sell, or just to make a transaction, and ended up in the car with Sketch, and then suddenly things got out of hand, and Sketch figured the student was just the right kind of morally bankrupt/scared of Sketch/scared of prison that he wouldn’t say anything, and would help Sketch…maybe Sketch didn’t need help, but student was inadvertently along for the ride (potentially on something himself)–I’m not saying that if that was the case the student isn’t completely culpable as well, and a horrible, evil murderer…but it might not have started out the night that way (I’m trying to illustrate how owing someone could lead to a series of events that sort of force the kind of quiet and loyalty that would seem unbelievable at first look), and that throws some of the stuff that doesn’t seem to make sense into the mix: maybe that introduces the idea of Anchorage, and maybe, yes, the student somehow ended up with the shirt…if they were in the student’s car, the shirt could have ended up there…
This is all speculation. I know in the beginning there were lots of people posting scenarios trying to get attention, and please know I’m not doing this–I’ve known a lot of kids (20-24) in that scene in CVille, who would hang out with and go along with various people I wouldn’t be caught dead with there was a “famous” homeless guy at the time who couch surfed and sold drugs out of student’s apartments…some because they thought it was cool that they could be dealers, and some because they *needed* the money…
One thing I’ll say is that there was drug dealing in the parking lot of JPJ, and it wasn’t townies usually, because they could be spotted easily. Heck, I went to a Bob Dylan concert and I got accosted so many times from car to arena by students pretending to sell tickets but actually selling other things…I doubt those people then go in and watch the concert.
Oh, and, I agree with tango 10000%: if we could just legalize weed we’d remove a lot of this…because, yes, when I say “drugs”, I’m talking weed. UVA has a lot of coke, too, but the vast majority of this seediness comes from the weed underground.
Sorry, this post was long.
susanm
Building a scene as you have done is a good way to link what little facts we have to possible actuals.
Taking the information provided by FormerCvillian as related to the drug culture around the university and weaving it into the possible story line is IMO helpful as well.
I have always believed, from the first time that I read Blink’s piece and the comments made, that there was more than one perp involved in this abduction and murder. In fact, until we have proof otherwise, I will believe that there are three involved.
I also believe that the drug culture in and around the university plays a role in this crime. Morgan IMO was a good girl that would from time to time experiment with drugs and the drug crowd. She was not “street smart” enough to protect herself from bad characters.
I have two daughters and six granddaughters that have progressed through the “foolish” stages of late teens to early twenties. This is a time of experimentation with little experience and less thinking of consequences for their acts. Fortunately, all of mine made it alive. Two had a much harder time than the others.
Tango
Your question about storing the information in favorites and its relation to something known as the “cache”. Favorites is a file location that stores data on your hard disk drive. Cache is a french word that means a hidden storage place.
In the world of computers, a bunch of early nerds liked to show how smart they were by selecting existing words and adding new meanings to them. This is how most technical language evolves.
In computer parlance, cache is a fast memory location that is internal to the microprocessor/CPU (Central Processor Unit) or a special area of fast memory external to the CPU. It is a temporary storage area where frequently used data and instructions are stored in order to enhance the speed of the machine.
I’m not exactly sure what this means, or IF it is even the same DW
that has been mentioned before……I just find it odd:
http://www.datingpsychos.com/psycho/David%20Winston-Snead/8410
Leelee you wrote in part:
July 16, 2012 at 5:20 am
Thanks again for the reply Mom 3.0. The reinterviewing mentions were interesting.
I dont know if it was CVPD I hope for Morgan’s sake everyone of importance was thoroughly interviewed at least twice and the area was searced thoroughly as well. I hate to seem so picky with the details of the shirt but this case frustrates me so much.
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Lee Lee,
Youre welcome and Youre not being picky- I understand and share your frustration- and I wonder about the same things Lee Lee. Yes it is interesting but in truth that one article does not answer all the questions regarding the shirt find- I wish it did.
In rewatching the HMM again your questions become more on point JMO
WE know Charlottesville police were first called we know they arrived with 2 or three police cars- we know it was they who “recovered” the shirt-
We know CVPD contacted VSP to alert them to the shirt “recovery” To me, this says that VSP was not involved in the initial find or recovery…were they involved in the first interviewing process? IDK- it seems unlikely as BE said CVPD arrived in 2 or 3 police cars…
Who asked SS and The Harringtons about the shirt? was it CVPD or was it VSP? IDK
But
Sometime after the “recovery” possibly on the 5th…VSP was called-
In going by HMM, I would assume this was November 11th- The Harringtons came to C-ville to visit the CB, and also they were asked for Morgans Dental records on November 18th…were they also asked for hair for comparison at this time also? IDK
Remember ON dEC 9TH it was reported Virginia State Police investigators have collected DNA samples from Morgan Harrington’s parents. Gil said this took place sometime after the Thanksgiving Holiday
The Harringtons were back in town on Thanksgiving day-
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/cdp-news-local/2009/nov/19/morgan_harringtons_parents_visit_last-seen_site-ar-93839/
Could they have been asked for hair comparisons then? IDK
We know after VSP became involved with the shirt- they sent it off to be tested- we know this would take some time- and we know they sent it to their Richmond Lab- we know the lab recovered blonde hairs which needed to be compared to Harringtons…and we know also that Morgans Mammas hair was used mitochondrial DNA testing… We know they made a match-
Snipped from HMM
If the T shirt is in fact Morgans It will be the first piece of Physical evidence in the hands of police since Morgans purse and its contents were found in the PLOT the day after she vanished
Will the shirts discovery be the lucky the break police need to crack this case
31:04
November 11 2009
(Forensic lab/testing shown on screen)
Virginia State Police Finally get a piece of physical evidence that may get them closer to solving the Morgan Harrington case
What appears to be Morgans tshirt is recovered 2 miles from the JPJ arena….
The 20 year old VT student was last seen on October 17th outside the Metallica concert at the arena
Rader says
It was a aa student that was walking along over near apt complex near Grady Ave The shirt was it was just exposed to the viewing
We didnt believe it had been there before,,we searched there before.
We dont know the circumstances of hhow it was placed there or how it was found there..but it fact it was there.
narrator
At this point the Pantera tshirt is the only new piece of evidence investigators have to work with
Capuzzo the shirt was sent to our forensic lab in Richmond and they were able to recover some human hairs from the shirt and utilizing those hairs and the hairs that were obtained from some of Morgans belongings and her mother we were able to thru mitrchondrial DNA testing that that was in fact Morgans shirt…
NarratornBut this potentially promising lead turns out to be just another dead end. No other clues are found in the area 32 45
Lee Lee at some point VSP did interview “numerous individuals” but we dont know exactly how many times or when or if it was in fact AFTER CVPD interviewed witnesses – directly after VSP was called in, after testing or before- or after the results came back as a match….
So all of your questions are valid- I dont jhave the answers but in my opinion the missing briefing on Dec 30th was VSP talking dierctly to the shirt placer- More on this in part 2
Back to HNN and the shirt:
Snipped further from HMM
Capuzzo We interviewed numerous individuals who lived in that area or walked thru that area or passed thru that area uhhh other than the shirt itself we did not recover any other evidence in that immediate area where the shirt was found
Here is the article that discusses the Dental records
http://www.newsplex.com/news/headlines/70375132.html
and
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/cdp-news-local/2009/nov/19/morgan_harringtons_parents_visit_last-seen_site-ar-93839/
AJMO
Cont Part 2
Lee Lee you went on to write in part:
We spend so much time on here desperately searching for answers for Morgan and so much effort has gone into picking apart every single bit of information and it seems as if there are perpetual roadblocks.
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Lee Lee, I know – believe me I know- I have been frustrated many a time- most of the time…
We have all asked every question imaginable – but I do believe with Hindsight many of the questions have been answered- we might not have realized at the time though-
Take the shirt for instance- I think with review it becomes apparent that LE was going under the theory that the shirt placer was someone who just wanted to help but was scared… I think LE in late November and Dec 2009 and possibly even thru January and beyond were trying to speak to the shirt placer- I think they also were trying to play with the theory that what ever happened to Morgan happened “by accident” perhaps they were trying to play good cop and hoped either the shirt placer or the perp would come forward- they thought the shirt was someones conscience getting the best of them- they thought the perp or the placer felt remorse-
How did I arrive at this thought?
By going back and reviewing-
First take the Harringtons words from those articles I pasted I think they were trying to reason with the shirt placer or the perp they were trying to play to his/her emotions-:
Snipped:
“We don’t have a memorial for Morgan yet. We are not giving up hope yet. We are not building a mausoleum; this is a place of hope. This is just a place to remember her, and keep her awareness out; this is not a grave site for Morgan,” says Gil.
and
“This is a really big secret that somebody has kept,” says Morgan’s mother.
and
The family believes Morgan was abducted, and that there were accomplices
and
But the one-month mark has been particularly hard on the family, Gil Harrington said.
“I would say, as of last night, we’ve kind of unraveled,” she said.
She urged anyone who might know something to come forward and said that if someone took her daughter, that person has likely exhibited odd behavior lately.
“There’s a really big reward out there, and we would love to have our daughter home for Thanksgiving,” she said.
I think that LE thought the shirt placement could be the first step…IT was after this that they released the description of the necklace and the red camera…almost asking for the shirt placer to bring them forward too…almost like a hostage negotiation…one in which only the perp or a helper would undderstand the language at that time…. lots of talk began which seemed to be giving an out to anyone that could come forward…
The Harringtons were despaerate and I think holding out hope that shirt placer could help them is this when hair was asked for?
Gil Harrington’s thoughts from December 21
We traveled to Charlottesville to meet with the Virginia State Police. That was a bit tense – everyone involved just desperate for some break that will bring Morgan home. It is difficult for all of us to be forced to wait for some development. We want more active roles –after all, our quest is to FIND MORGAN not wait for Morgan, but it seems that just now, that is what we must do.
So much snow we weren’t even able to get out at the bridge. We stopped our car in the middle of the road and tossed a pine wreath up on the giant snow bank that covered the place on Copley Bridge where Morgan was last seen. Driving away it looked more a funeral than I anticipated.
The snow worries me. Is she cold? Is her abductor snowed out – or even worse is he snowed in with her? Cannot go there. I pray for strength to come to all of us. 2 4 1
Police were desperate
http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/police-desperate-for-more-information-about-missing-metallica-fan_1127198
31 December 2009 01:36
Comment on this story
METALLICA – POLICE DESPERATE FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT MISSING METALLICA FAN
POLICE DESPERATE FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT MISSING METALLICA FAN
Then they release
HitchHiking…irrational…drunk…wobbily…injured…borrow a cell? give a ride?
Perhaps like her purse earlier in the night… she might have Dropped her purse? her cell? her necklace? her camera?
Her shirt?
New details released in Harrington investigation
http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/14690/new-details-released-in-harrington-investigation
Tuesday, November, 17, 2009; 12:02 AM |
Snipped:
Morgan Harrington was seen hitchhiking for a ride on the Copeley Road Bridge on the night of her disappearance, according to a police brief released Nov. 13.
and
It was also released in the brief that she was wearing a Swarovski Crystal necklace on that night.
Harrington might have received a ride or approached someone to borrow a cell phone, Geller said.
“She was wearing it that night,” Geller said. “She dropped her purse and her cell phone, so maybe she might have dropped her necklace also.”
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Next Take that Dec 30th briefing I am unable to locate-
First the mention of physical evidence shirt or blood…
Then
lots of info in that briefing for a person with a conscience lots of talk that seems to let a good guy in a bad situation off,,,kindof giving them a way to come forward….
Help us help you….
http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/231388
“Our main focus is locating her and bringing it forward to her family. We do not want a person who could have information that could help us to be fearful in coming forward,” Geller said.
and
Investigators still are working on the theory that Harrington was hitchhiking on the Copeley Road railroad bridge at about 9:30 p.m. and got into a car.
They’re also looking for Harrington’s digital camera, which still hasn’t been found. It’s red and either a Kodak or Sony model, police say.
Police also issued a plea to anyone who might know what happened to Morgan but might be holding back because of fear of prosecution.
Investigators are willing to work with you in order to locate Morgan and bring her home to her family,” a news release read.
Police also are asking people to report if they’ve noticed behavioral changes in anyone who attended the concert, or noticed anyone who shows abnormal interest in the Harrington case.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/lna/news/state_regional/article/police_missing_virginia_tech_student_was_drinking_before_she_disappeared/22754/
and snipped
One police spokesperson suggested locals pay special attention to the behaviors of those they know, saying, “if you’ve noticed a drastic change in someone’s behavior, that is probably something we should know about. If Morgan Harrington was in fact abducted, that’s a hard episode for anyone to keep to themselves.”
and
http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-harrington-drinking-story,0,2909253.story
State Police Release New Information About Missing Virginia Tech Student
Investigators learn Morgan Harrington was not “acting like herself.”
Staff reporter December 30, 2009
Virginia State Police released new information Wednesday about the Morgan Harrington investigation. Harrington was last seen outside a concert at the John Paul Jones Arena in Charlottesville, October 17.
Investigators say according to eyewitness accounts, Harrington had been drinking and acting irrationally – which was not her normal behavior.
They still don’t know if she was drugged or suffered a head injury outside the Metallica concert.
Investigators do believe Harrington got into a vehicle near the Copeley Road Bridge on the night of the 17, between 9:20 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. But they still haven’t been able to find a red digital camera she reportedly had with her that night.
and
http://augustafreepress.com/2009/12/30/investigator-harrington-case-not-cold/
It’s all still speculation now, but investigators believe what happened the night of the disappearance can fall into one of three possible scenarios.
“The first one is, a person wanted to give her a ride, they give her a ride, and something happens. Now the person doesn’t know what to do, so they either let her out somewhere, or dump her somewhere,” Rader said.
That person “could have had the most innocent intentions,” Rader said, “but for whatever reason, something went bad, and now you’re scared to come forward, because you’re scared of the implications. Don’t be scared. Come forward. Talk to us. If you’re out there, and you know something, don’t be scared. We need to talk to you,” Rader said.
The second scenario – “You had a person who had criminal intent from the outset, saw a vulnerable target, and took advantage. They’re obviously not going to come to us,” Rader said.
“The third is something we’re hearing from some people about how she wanted to meet up with someone and not be found. There’s absolutely no indication to that at this point,” Rader said.
All that said, “We’re pursuing this as if she’s still alive,” Rader said. “You’ve got to be careful about pursuing it as if she is dead, because that can narrow the level of objectivity of what you’re doing. If I don’t think she has a chance of being alive, and you tell me, I saw her at the Fashion Square Mall today, chances are I’m not going to take that very seriously.”
Rader thinks the missing link of information leading to the case being cracked will be found in the Charlottesville area.
He also hopes against hope that there’s a happy ending to this story.
“I hope the Harrington family still gets to experience the greatest moment of their life. I know statistically it doesn’t look very good, but we have to keep plugging away,” Rader said.
and
Interestingly Blink posts a new article aptly entitled An Appeal To You Know who…
and Gil Posts
this
Gil Harrington’s thoughts from December 28th
On January – 6 – 20104 COMMENTS
Not sure how Dan continues to function at such a high level. He processes so
much information and stays so calm and strong while collapsing inside. The
crisis of Morgan’s abduction has been so hard on both of us. You brace
yourself for possible, inevitable life events so as to better withstand the
impact, but we never saw this one coming, never had a chance to brace
ourselves. We try to hold each other up, damage control is vital.
I want to limit the injury and hurt that Morgan’s abduction has caused. So
many lives have been impacted-our family, of course-and many, many beyond
that. I will try to pull as many as I can under my umbrella and protect them,
try to lessen the pain for all.
So sad.
I dont know anymore than anyone… In truth I dont think answering these questions will help bring justice for Morgan but they may help us get a better understanding of how hard the police have worked and perhaps might answer why Blink and others have been asking LE to change tactics…It seems they are wiping the slate and trying again I hope this time around they get the answers they seek –
I am not trying to get anyone to see my thoughts as the “truth” I am my offering my perspectives.
AJMO
Peace
Correction Gils words from January 6th ended with “SO SAD”
Then my thoughts began-
Sorry for any confusion It should have read:
Gil Harrington’s thoughts from December 28th
Posted On January – 6 – 20104 COMMENTS
Not sure how Dan continues to function at such a high level. He processes so
much information and stays so calm and strong while collapsing inside. The
crisis of Morgan’s abduction has been so hard on both of us. You brace
yourself for possible, inevitable life events so as to better withstand the
impact, but we never saw this one coming, never had a chance to brace
ourselves. We try to hold each other up, damage control is vital.
I want to limit the injury and hurt that Morgan’s abduction has caused. So
many lives have been impacted-our family, of course-and many, many beyond
that. I will try to pull as many as I can under my umbrella and protect them,
try to lessen the pain for all.
So sad.
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I dont know anymore than anyone… In truth I dont think answering these questions will help bring justice for Morgan but they may help us get a better understanding of how hard the police have worked and perhaps might answer why Blink and others have been asking LE to change tactics…It seems they are wiping the slate and trying again I hope this time around they get the answers they seek –
I am not trying to get anyone to see my thoughts as the “truth” I am my offering my perspectives.
AJMO
Peace
Thanks
Ode and all if HMM is correct then the black cloth once thought to be a tarp or shirt was not-
Snipped from HMM
If the T shirt is in fact Morgans It will be the first piece of Physical evidence in the hands of police since Morgans purse and its contents were found in the PLOT the day after she vanished
Will the shirts discovery be the lucky the break police need to crack this case
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Notice in HMM the shirt is never mentioned to be the connection to the FFcase…it is never said to have held forensic evidence connecting it to sketch but perhaps after morgans remains were found they further tested it? IDK it was said that a “wealth of physicaL evidence” was found with Morgans remains.
And as Lee lee wrote, we know LE has never released what evidence they do have… cause if death other than Homicide we also know that LE have made some seemingly strange comments regarding Sketch-
One that sticks out in my mind is from HMM
July2010
Cold hit connects forensic evidence to another case- Fair fax abduction and rape… Sept 24 05- 10pm young woman grabbed from behind- dragged away rapped- woman fights back forensic evidence recovered…helps LE with sketch
LE wont disclose how match made… both investigations open… police have not yet identified a suspect.
Rader- Theres a DNA connection that Morgan Harrington at some point during her time at Charlottesville prior to her death came into contact with a person who has already been in the “unknown” subject database.
LE believe the info will help them solve this case..urge the public to continue to utilize the tip line.
Cappuzzo says confident they will develop a suspect..confident this case will solve someday…
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IMO We cant take just the info from HMM as fact- we must take everything and weigh it together.
I know we cant take the info in HMM as fact because I know there was some info that wasnt included- and other info portrayed as fact that wasnt-
Take the whole Norma parsons info-
In HMM the show makes it seem as if CS of the Hook uncovered this statement and that LE did not listen, were not taking it seriously enough and that NP is confident of what she saw and that her witness statement never changed…THis is all incorrect-
BTW I asked awhile back if the search announcement-Nov6-11 was where NP stood up it was… this was I assume where CS noticed her and then folowed up….
I digress- Here is some info on NP statements for comparison, which was printed
http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/66248292.html
** ()added by me
October 26, 2009
Norma Parson believes she saw Morgan Harrington on the University of Virginia grounds at 3:45 a.m. last Sunday, just a few hours after she disappeared. Parson delivers newspapers to the University. She believes she saw Morgan Harrington *walking with three men down the sidewalk of the Academical Village*.
*”She walked right by me with boots on, and you could not have missed her,” * said Parson.
Parson says she called the police Tuesday *(Oct 20 th)* when she saw Harrington’s picture for the first time. *Investigators gathered the information from her.* Parson never got the chance to give a description of the men which she believed would help.
“I can’t believe no one else saw *that woman wearing all that black and that mini way up her hips, and…high knee boots,*” said Parson. *”She was too noticeable with those long legs.*”
The Virginia State Police say they *followed up with Parson’s story, but, it did not produce any significant leads*. They also mentioned how social networking is playing a significant part in this investigation. A spokeswoman said they are monitoring everything online. They are watching as people post videos, write in blogs, and comment on news stories
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Thoughts-
In this account we learn Ms Parsons says she contacted police Tues Oct 20- no mention of this womans distinctive eye make-up, that prompted NP to make the connection, no mention of the jacket…- it does say however that police took down all the information that she supplied and checked it out…
Remember until SS on FB-explained that DS couldnt be Morgan cause she wasnt wearing the black tights…many people STILL thought DS with no tights could be Morgan… just something to think about…
Notice in this account Ms Parsons says she noticed the girl and the 3 men, as they walked past her on the sidewalk…no mention of the room ..no mention of a commotion…no mention of staring her dead in the eyes…it seems NP took notice of Morgans bare legs and boots and miniskirt…”way up her hips” she cant understand how anyone could miss her because of her long legs….
NP seems to have looked down toward the area that caught her attention , not the face (the makeup) not the upper torso(shirt or jacket) not the hair, long or tucked in…but the lower torso (mini)… and her legs, bare- and the boots..
Even though Ms. Parsons delivers papers to the college it may not be common place to see young people out and about, at that hour dressed the way this girl was.
AJMO
Snipped:
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/cdp-news-editorial/2009/nov/09/search_for_morgan_wont_take_anything_for_granted-ar-95491/
Search for Morgan won’t take ‘anything for granted’
By Bryan McKenzie
Published: November 09, 2009
** by me
snipped-
Her story is every parent’s nightmare. It’s the haunting source of worry for Norma Parson, *a Daily Progress newspaper carrier* who believes she saw Ms. Harrington on the Lawn at the University of Virginia the morning after she walked out of the concert.
“I was doing my papers at 3:45 in the morning [Oct. 18] and I was making a decision as to how I wanted to put the papers out,” Mrs. Parson recalled. “I noticed all of this noise going on to the right of me and I see this young lady, *all in black with long blonde hair*, and *she was leaning against the wall* with this tall boy with curly hair and two shorter boys nearby.”
It wasn’t the first time Mrs. Parson has seen a bunch of kids somewhat intoxicated and hanging out at too-dang-early on the Lawn. In fact, *it’s a common occurrence, ****so she thought little about it******.
“I turned to go up the steps to Pavilion V and I noticed as I put the papers in the mailbox that they were coming toward me,” Mrs. Parson recalled. “She was near me, not on the other side or in the middle, but she was next to me. I saw her face and I’m a painter and I draw faces when I can’t even see them, so I remember faces. It was hers.”
As Mrs. Parson took care of newspaper business, the woman walked up the steps right next to her.
“She put her foot on the steps where I was and *she looked up at me* and I *noticed her legs*: They were *long and white and she had no fat on them. Then I thought, ‘What in the world is she wearing!’*”
A mini-skirt with no stockings and high boots,* Mrs. Parson recalled.
Still, she thought nothing of it. Remember, *kids out too late — or early — aren’t rare on the Lawn and neither are Gothic vestments.* But when she saw a picture of Morgan Harrington in the paper* a few days later,* she thought about it, a lot.
Standard procedure
Mrs. Parson has told her story to police and local media and Ms. Harrington’s parents, but said she has heard nothing back from detectives. She said she has not been asked to pick out the boys she saw in a lineup, although she said she remembers their faces well.
*Detectives said they checked out her story and are continuing to do so, but have not contacted her for further follow-up. That, they said, is standard procedure.*
—Thoughts-
In these earlier accounts- notice The Hook was not the first media Parsons talked to… she had contacted media at least by Oct 26. In this above account, She, NP has this blonde dressed in all black- but mentions that she has ******LONG blonde hair*******…wait…in later accounts she says she couldnt tell the length of the hair, because the woman had been wearing her black jacket and the hair **was tucked inside.**
No jacket mentioned in this account…next we have NP describing the woman as leaning…If she was leaning how is she sure she was tall, as she described her in later accounts? Especially when she mentions that her next sighting occured on the steps…she says this girl looked UP at her while on the steps…
Also notice that in this account, Ms Parsons does not make mention of the eye makeup, that in later accounts stood out to her and was the reason she recognized Morgan from a picture…instead she, NP does mention the bare legs and boots again…
Also she in later accounts, said she saw Morgan exiting a room with these boys, but this time she first hears them, turns and sees them leaning on a wall…then next encounters Morgan on the steps although she does mention the stature of the boys and says 1 has curly hair..
Also please note that NP says she is accustomed to seeing kids at all hours of the night, some intoxicated & in weird dress- in fact the word gothic is used..
Here NP says she contacted police Tues- Oct 20, but hadnt heard back from them – the first article was written on Oct 26 Mon of the following week- Ms Parsons then told her story to her empolyers paper, the Daily Progress.. on November 9 -which then printed that:
“Detectives said they checked out her story and are continuing to do so, but have not contacted her for further follow-up. That, they said, is standard procedure.”
After these accounts, Ms Parsons went to & stood up at the volunteer orientation and said “Why has nobody returned my call..I have been trying to give you my tip..I saw her. CS then “found” her and interviewed her….:
by Courteney Stuart
published 5:00am Sunday Nov 15, 2009
One possible witness has been speaking publicly, in part, she says, because she doesn’t believe investigators have fully followed her lead.
“I know what I saw,” says Norma Parson, a newspaper delivery woman who believes she saw Morgan– or an incredible lookalike— *coming out of a room on UVA’s West Lawn* at 3:45am October 18, six hours after the last confirmed sighting on Copeley Bridge.
“She was tall and thin,” says Parson, who says the woman’s high black boots had heels making her appear taller than Morgan’s reported height of 5’6? and that she wasn’t wearing the black hose or tights police have described.
Because the woman also was wearing a jacket that was fastened shut, Parson says, she couldn’t determine whether the woman’s blonde hair, which was tucked inside, was long or short. But as the blond woman— accompanied by three young men, two shorter, one taller— passed by her in the well-lit brick walkway along the Lawn, she says, she got a clear look at her face, and her heavily made-up eyes, in particular. She says the woman’s presence in the wee hours of a chilly night— and her bare legs— seized her attention.
“I thought, ‘What’s she doing out here dressed like that,’” Parson recalls. When she learned of Harrington’s disappearance two days later and saw photographs of heavy mascara- and eyeliner-wearing Morgan, “I knew immediately it was the same girl I saw,” says Parson, who credits art training for teaching her to examine facial details— even those she sees in passing. “I never had a moment’s doubt,” she insists.
Thoughts-
By this time Norma Parsons should have had a greater understanding from reading and dealing with other media who interviewed LE about her tip, that police procedure is not to call her up and not to put people in a lineup that she may have seen..and I hope she was cautioned about talking to the media further n fears of compromising an ongoing investigation…
She already had the tip taken, she already alerted the media, but went further to stand up in a public place, a volunteer searchers orientation FGS, and shout out that she has been trying to give a tip that she saw Morgan…then proceeds to give an interview with CS where her accont again is different..
In this account NP again makes sure to state her astonishment, and IMO somewhat disdain for this blondes choice of dress- miniskirt,no tights, black boots- In this account we have mention of the eye-makeup, and the room, & now a fastened jacket and the hair is tucked up inside…and the stature of the 3 men… “She says the woman’s presence in the wee hours of a chilly night— and her bare legs— seized her attention.”- But in the earlier account she stated that it wasnt uncommon to see students out and about and dressed differently…..
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I do not know if Norma Parsons saw Morgan with 3 men on the lawn 6 hrs after she was said to have gone missing…she could have.
I do not know who NP might of seen, perhaps another blonde out and about that night accompanied by 3 men, its possible …what I do know Is that NP, first contacted police on Oct 20 with her tip- a week later an article appears with her account and her concerns that LE was not following up…after another week she talked with another media outlet and gave her account… shortly after, she went to a volunteer searchers orientation and made her concerns known, again. She shortly there after was interviewed by CS and gave her an account…and now she has given her account for ‘Disappeared’.
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So in realizing that HMM is not all fact it is possible that Forensic evidence was found with Morgans shirt which tied it to Sketch if so might it be hair- this could be why police sauid proior to her death because the shirt hair had no death binding- was Sketchs blood or hair found also…..
Just thinking aloud AJMO Peace
ATG, I have also always thought three directly involved.
Texas Grandfather!
For a long time I thought you were my uncle Harry. He lives in Houston. But you have more than one daughter. He is just like you. Cut and dried. Black and white. I wish I was more like that.
I know exactly what you mean about computer people using different terms for processes. My boss asked me one time if there was any data I needed to “backload”…I was confused…until I realized she meant “cut and paste” LOL. When I told my coworker the translation, she made a kicking motion with her foot and said “I’ve got something to backload”….LOL!
IRT the cache. What I used to do was save to “favorites” but now I “save webpage” under “file”…my question is: is that the cache? and if not…how do I “cache?”
I’m fairly computer literate – used to use DOS lol…just need a quick course in saving some of our info here…TIA!
Another favorite IT phrase: “we’re gonna have to bump the server”…means they’re gonna have to cut it off and cut it back on…LOL!
Ok last post tonight: Mom3.0 – Thank you! Confirmation Morgan’s hair was on the shirt! Phew! I DO need to wake up lol!
Still trying to catch up
sorry for any typos etc- thinking as I type.
FormerCvillain
Welcome to BOC thanks for coming out of lurking to share your thoughts and ideas with us.
You may be right and someone may owe Sketch and it may be over drugs I appreciate you giving us your take on the area and the school and the motivations of Sketch and accomplices or shirt planter etc….
Your thoughts on why the case has gone so cold are extremely thought- provoking as I remember by May of 2010 many here and elsewhere were lamenting about students graduating and moving….same could be said for accomplices or any person in the know…or who may have had a piece of info…
Which for me also ties into the shirt find and all the rest- What if someone from the apts or near Af etc were on vacation at the time first Thanksgiving then winter break …what if persons like this were not available at the time to be interviewed?
Your thought about Morgan knowing who she wanted to go with or where…seems plausible- according to LE she did ask the BBP for a ride to a specific destination…we are not privy to this info though…
IDK perhaps it was just a ride back to her car…or could it have been to somewhere near the shirt find…That is near the corner, right? not sure anymore….interesting thoughts all of them FCN
Your post made me think perhaps given LEs prior treatment of Sketch perhaps Sketch owed them…and they brought him in to help clean-up IDK
I dont think you are being racist or agist- It seems if Morgan Harrington refused all help from concertgoers and asked BBP for help only…it seems she was particular in who she would except help from… why HH and why except a ride from an older man who FF victim said (pp) made her feel leery before the attack…
That is why I dont understand the HH theory or the gets into Sketchs car theory
It does seem like she had a definite plan- first to stay around the area…then to possibly get a ride from BBP that fell thru so she HH with Sketch…IDK seems off to me unless Sketch was not alone in vehicle possibly a woman?
IIRC it was parents weekend that weekend at UVA so like F/D could Sketch have been with his kid or his wife-who knows I certainly dont- and I sincerely appreciate you being brave enough to share your theory on a UVA accomplice…
IDK if you are right but I do know I cant tell you you are wrong either….
Tango- glad to have you going crazy with us and going back through the archives…If you find anything please let us know.
susanm-
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on shirt/fire etc- always nice to have your intelligent perspectives.
You too TGF
Keep on Keeping on guys
AJMO
Peace
According to Kickee, she asked him for help. She asked BBP for help. Who offered Morgan help that she refused? The couple offering to help her up off the floor when she fell? Who else? I don’t recall.
Oh Alexandra, Thanks I should have prefixed that statement with according to LE Morgan refused all offers of help.
See here:
Snipped HMM
Cappuzzo says: Witnesses outside the arena, told us “ that they offered Morgan assistance… you know… asked her if she needed help..did she need a ticket …. to get in…she said no, she had a ticket , but she refused any kind of assistance, that anybody offered her…”
First Hook article snipped:
various witnesses in and around John Paul Jones Arena say a young, blond woman was causing concern before they ever heard that 20-year-old Morgan Harrington was missing.
Among the several witnesses who reported seeing Morgan injured both inside and outside the Arena, one Metallica fan inside says she seemed “upset” with blood on her chin but declined his offer to help
then from later Hook article snipped:
Cappuzzo says multiple witnesses reported seeing the injury and offering assistance– one woman saw Morgan applying paper towels to her face to blot blood from a “minor injury.” Morgan, he says, rebuffed all offers of help.
“She curtsied,” says Cappuzzo, but she didn’t attempt to flag them down
Alexandra- according to police Morgan made multiple trys at reentry-but I believe the latest accounts only retell her last try at reentry-
you know the one where she attempts to empty her purse again after telling the tt- her ticket its in pieces -
I do not believe that Morgan refused all offers of help I think she took her friends advice to try to regain entry and i think she asked BBP for help because as a local once said if anyone would be able to help her regain reentry it was the BBP “THE GODS OF THE ARENA”-
another local IIRC once stated that BBP could use the facilities whenever they liked- the sauna etc for injuries IIRC the local said they may have had keys.
I think Morgan walked with joined the BBP hoping they could get her back inside I think that they said maybe lets ask the coach or so and so… I also think that Morgan was under the assumption that one of the BBP would give her a ride if they couldnt get her back inside.
Something happened after they merged which prompted the BBP to deny her a ride and leave her in the lot alone-
I think Morgan would not accept “help” from just anyone- I think she was attempting to listen to her “Gift of Fear” at least until the BBP left her-
Morgan harrington was outside the arena from about 8:20 the kickee encounter is at 9:00 this is when BBP exited…
Thats a long time and she had her wits she tried to get back inside she stayed in the immediate area- then she got a call from friends…
She was not desperate but she wanted back inside she tried more than once on her own to get inside- She had a “spat” with a female security person- She got a call from friends said Im locked out – they gave her other ideas….smoking area she listened.. then said said (pp) okay…maybe Ill get a ride from friends… Kickee heard a commotion- She came toward the side entrance- said lets go …lightly kicked him…
4 BBP exited she walked away with them…and shook her leg in a kicking motion they laughed she stayed in the area- in the immediate area until BBP exited she walked with the most recognizable people people she felt safe with them JMO…she wanted their help-
They didnt help- she still was not desperate- she did not flag down curtsy duo- she didnt accept offers of tickets etc…she I think did have a plan I believe her plan began with gaining reentry I think she was counting on the BBP her plan B was to leave with BBP – AJMO
So in my saying she was particular in who she accepted help from goes off this theory this speculation- What would have suddenly caused Morgan Harrington to leave the area? To become desperate?
Did the BBP calmly tell Morgan NO we cant help..did she calmly accept this answer and then what? Watch as they all drove off in separate vehicles…doesnt sound like a desperate girl irrational girl not until the HH
So what made her despaerate? Did the BBP ditch her when she went to the LOO? The curtsy duo saw her near the loo…did she still think the BBP were going to help- Did she exit from the Loo to encounter curtsy duo but no BBP…Did she leave her purse and phone with the BBP…did they drop it near the fence when they decided to leave her alone did they leave her with an umbrella as compensation…
Still, She wasnt desperate enough to flag down the curtsy duo… But after she realized the BBP had ditched her is this how she became desperate enough to HH?
I dont know-
The timeline still doesnt add up
To me she wasnt desparate…she did not accept all offers of help..she didnt flag down CD but she suddenly runs to HH….the purse and cell she dropped it several times and PICKED IT UP each time….the BBP were gone at 9:20 ….How does the phone sans battery go dead at 9:30 How is the phone still on when Morgan is on the bridge HH?
IDK
All speculation AJMO
Peace
Norma Parson may have really seen Morgan with 3 white guys, as she said. What are the chances that she would see a girl that looks just like Morgan, wearing similar clothes? I don’t know why she would make that up.
Mom 3.0 you are something. Your post is amazing. There seems to have been pleas from so many for that person who may have had no intention of harming someone like Morgan was harmed and they got drug into the situation. They may have been there, they may not have, but they have been involved by someone else. I would like to ask you about your thoughts on the umbrella that was found in the lot as well. Why no mention of the umbrella? Could the umbrella had been the black cloth found?
Her umbrella was black, but to my knowledge, it was not torn or missing any fabric.
B
Alexandra you wrote;
“Norma Parson may have really seen Morgan with 3 white guys, as she said. What are the chances that she would see a girl that looks just like Morgan, wearing similar clothes? I don’t know why she would make that up.”
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I never said Norma Parsons was lying-
Heres what i said:
I do not know if Norma Parsons saw Morgan with 3 men on the lawn 6 hrs after she was said to have gone missing…she could have.
I do not know who NP might of seen, perhaps another blonde out and about that night accompanied by 3 men, its possible
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You asked “what are the chances that she would see a girl that looks just like Morgan, wearing similar clothes?”
Well after watching countless hours of youtube videos from that concert – I myself can say with certainty that there were MANY girls that looked like Morgan and were dressed like Morgan-
DS for one-
and after haviing gone to metal concerts I personally can say that this is not abnormal attire- many female concert goers look much the same as Morgan
and Skyler once asked her son how many girls did he see that night blonde dressed in pantera shirts specifically…his answer about thirty…
Mr and Mrs Harrington themselves were confused by the video of DS they thought it could have been Morgan- they werent sure…
So to answer your question considering all these factors and the fact that the lawn is said to be frequented at night by many and there was a wedding going on that evening and a concert etc I think the chances of Norma Parsons seeing someone other than Morgan Harrington is quite high
as for the attire/ dress….
keep in mind
Norma Parsons DID NOT accurately describe Morgan Harringtons attire-
She said the woman was dressed in all black NO mention of a pantera shirt.. she said she had high boots on- then knee high…NO tights and she changed her details on the long hair no long hair tucked in not tucked in jacket no jacket
The fact is Alexandra- Norma Parsons changed her accounts-
Her details major details changed, and none of the details were spot on-
First she says she didnt think anything of the encounter or the clothes because she often sees college students out and about in that area dressed wierd,and drunk..then later she says PP it alarmed her and she thought what is that girl doing out here at 345 in the morning with these guys legs out …
She says she noticed her legs but later it became I remember faces- and the makeup…
She changed her accounts- I dont know why but she did.
In the Hook piece she says she is scared…
“I just want them to let me identify who I saw,” says Parsons, who now fears that her status as a potential witness may have put her in danger as she makes her middle-of-the-night newspaper rounds.
Does Norma parsons in any account seem scared? Did she come off as frightened to appear to show her face in the nationally televised show- was she scared when she stood up in public in the orientation meeting …did she seem frightened when she was interviewed by numerous reporters and was quoted and gave her name and gave details about the room and the men?
She says she came forward at the meeting because she didnt think police were taking her account seriously they hadnt called her back-
Her own newspaper before the Hook account contacted police and they tried to reassure her- its standard procedure not to call back but her account was being looked at…yet she accuses them of the same bad police work in the Hook piece and the HMM show…
It had only been one week before she went to the first newspaper to report that police werent doing their best calling her back…one week.
She did give her tip when she had stood up in that meeting- and said Ive been trying to give you my tip I saw her… she just had not got a call back…
You opined “I dont know why she would make that up”
I dont know that she did- again she may have seen Morgan or she may have seen someone that she later thought could have been her…
as for why people would make up details or witness accounts in cases like this…it happens-
Some want the recognition
some are off balance
some desperately want to help
some want money for interviews
some want to get revenge- like the guy who made up false statements in this case…and was arrested for giving false tips
I am not saying any of these possible reasons apply to Ms Parsons
- FTR I am not saying she lied-
I am saying She changed her story for whatever reason and she had no qualms of going to the media with her accounts
I brought up all this discussion once before, and I thanked Norma Parsons for coming forward- I still thank her for coming forward
Police still havent 100% ruled out any sighting including Norma parsons PP from HMM…it may turn out that she did see Morgan-
My point was not to take any one account from her or any witness or any show like HMM or from any forum or any briefing or PC from noone not even any particular article as fact-
AJMO
Where exactly was the phone found? It wasn’t in the exact location as the purse, was it? And who found the phone? Wasn’t it a member of the UVAPD? And it was found on that Sunday after they realized the purse belonged to Morgan right? I mean..they were not found at the same time. I think that’s significant…but I don’t know why.
Hello Ode thanks I value your posts too.
I dont know what the black cloth might have been-It may have turned out to be unrelated to Morgan- IDK its still something I wonder about
I brought it up to show why I took notice of Raders words in the Dec 30th briefing of Shirt or blood.
At that time the only mention of a possible shirt find was that piece of Black cloth.
So some of us thought rader might have been referring to it when he specifically said shirt…
First let me say thanks to Blink for giving us her thoughts on the umbrellas appearance-
Til now I dont think we knew it was black.
As to my thoughts on the umbrella- Like everythingelse they change and are dependent on facts.
The umbrella was new info- never before known before the Walkthrough- not by me, any way
The umbrella is strange – It is my understanding, and please Blink feel free to correct me- but The Harringtons at first were not told about the umbrella and LE didnt ask them if it was hers-
So noone can say for sure it was Morgans- IIRC Gil said Morgan did have an umbrella, but she isnt sure if she took it that night-
So if the umbrella is Morgans- then why didnt she use it at any point to keep dry?
why did no witnesses mention the umbrella?
If it was hers did Morgan try to use it as a weapon?
If it wasnt Morgans-
the perp may have used the offer of an umbrella to comfortablly get within arms reach of her…
one of the helpful concert goers or BBP etc may have lent it to her…
one of the people passing her on the bridge may have lent it to her…
MY question is when it was found was it open or closed?
Was it in good working order?
Was it the foldable kind that can fit in a purse or BPack
or was it the kind that Mary Poppins used?
Was it forensically tested? for blood- for hair etc
The lab could have found Morgans hairs inside as most people rest an umbrella from time to time on top of their heads…
If not Morgans umbrella hair etc my have been found from the lender or the perp…
I am confused about the umbrella…
What are your thought Ode- btw thanks for asking for mine?
AJMO
Peace
Morgan had a telescopic umbrella, but to date, the Harrington’s have not been shown the recovered umbrella but assume it was hers. The truth is- we just do not know for sure.
B
Two things tell me Ms. Parsons might actually be telling her best version of the truth (with a bit of embellishment, perhaps) First, if she were going to make up the story, why not have Morgan with black tights on???????? All who saw her described black tights, what would be Ms. Parsons’ reason for omitting them? Second, if this girl was someone other than Morgan, why has the other individual not come forth and stated same??????
The only other possibility is that the whole stgory is a downriught lie, and if it is what would b e the purpose for telling such an untruth? I can think of a few reasons, as can all of you. So, even if it is a lie, she should have been accurate re the leggings, and also re the black jacket which was done up…..everyone knew she was wearing a pantera shirt. If the girl has come forward to the police, and they are not telling us, I cannot think why that would be.
I can think of some reasons why the police would pretend to downplay the sighting, for example, the kings son was involved. Even if this story is true, it does not mean they killed Morgan.
Thanks Mom3.0
I do appreciate all the research you have done and your ability to look at all angles. This is all so very frustrating.
i grew up not minding washing the dishes,cuz i could listen to a mystery theater radio show at the same time. that scenario , just seems so occam, the actual scenario cant be, too, different,why cant they catch him? i just cant imagine the dialogue that would take place between two or more people in a crime like this. i remembered the julie love case in atlanta,was three people driving around who ecountered her walking ,looked it up ,to try to understand the group mentality, http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/julie-love-case-baffled-814366.html. i was thinking how is the student(or,other party) not scared of sketch, and how is sketch not scared of other party?
susanm, you are right, both parties would be worried the other would crack under pressure, unless one of the persons no longer existed, or had more blackmail stashed away someplace, to be delivered in the event of a mishap.
The first real details we ever got from DINO per the person at the door who was the ticket taker go against my gut feelings for the night. The ticket taker gives way too much information , too many details. One of the main problems was the ticket taker saying that Morgan was turned away / denied re-entry because she did not have a ticket/ hers was torn into pieces in her purse. that makes NO Sense to me . the Policy we have heard over & over was that there is No Re-Entry.
Too many details by this person at the door saying he explained their policy to her before she left & that she understood. I doubt that after a fall & hitting her face , being seen in the restroom washing off her face & crying .. I doubt that she was able to be calm enough to Listen! Also the decibel level would have most likely left her in a state of not being able to hear temporarily. Also if she had planned on being outside , she would have gone back for her coat IMO.
So much to catch up on.Amazing commentary as usual Mom3.0! Looking through old news stories I was a bit surprised that it wasn’t until December 30th that state police stated that Morgan was most likely abducted. I wonder what that tells us about when the police had confirmation regarding evidence on Morgan’s shirt. Perhaps the Fairfax link was known before Morgan’s remains were found.
In regards to planting the shirt someone referenced the sort of situation that would occur where someone who knew Morgan’s killer found it and planted it out of guilt or maybe spite yet never came forward once there was a public verification that the shirt belonged to Morgan. I have long wondered about the same thing. My hunch has always been that Sketch didn’t plant the shirt. If he did he is an absolute idiot on top of being a despicable violent monster. If I was Sketch I would have burned the shirt. And if I wanted to plant something to buy time and throw off searchers I wouldn’t plant the shirt where he did I would drive to another county and plant it if I really wanted to distract the public. The risk of being caught planting a shirt in a very public place during the day doesn’t make sense to me unless you are going to throw search parties off by about 50 miles. But I am still confused as to why the planter never came forward. To me it seems that person would not have remained so anonymous unless they frequently interacted with Sketch. There are endless scenarios that I come up with. The one which currently intrigues me the most regards Sketch being arrested for an unrelated crime (like dealing drugs ) and therefore no longer a physical danger to the person who planted it.
In terms of an accomplice I have two scenarios in my mind. Prior to the Fairfax attack Sketch verbally engaged the victim and said he was waiting for a ride. Since there is frequently a bit of truth in most lies maybe he really was planning in being picked up by someone. That would explain why we heard anyone come forward with a sighting immediately after the rape. Someone picked him up and he was quickly away from the scene. If there is an accomplice in Morgan’s case then maybe yet again he relied on that person to pick him up. And as was mentioned above maybe it is that person who has the Anchorage tie hence the inability to identify a suspect. My other theory is that whoever killed Morgan did have someone help dump her body but not actually assist in terms of rape and murder. If that person exists then yet again maybe he or she is the one with the Anchorage Farm ties. The killer could have told that person a lie about what happened to cause Morgan’s death. They could have said she died of an overdose after consensual sex or they hit her with their car. They convinced the friend or family member that the police would assume the worst and therefore a lengthy jail sentence was the likely outcome. That person may not have come forward by now because of fear of facing their own criminal charges or they happen to be an equally awful person. Conjectures like that may seem useless and unable to prove but to me they are helpful because it is obvious that somewhere along the way a piece of this puzzle was put in the wrong place so we lack a clear picture of what happened to Morgan.
I apologize ahead of time if any of the following information is untrue. I haven’t read that it was debunked but as many of us know there are sooooooo many comments on this site the truth gets lost from time to time. Like everything else in this case I can get over the fact that the young women incorrectly thought to be Morgan by several witnesses actually knew the Morgan’s friends and they were going to possibly get together after the concert but didnt since one friend said a member of their group(Morgan) was missing.I have often heard people says there are no coincidences in crimes but that certainly isn’t the deal with this case. Back when FindMorgan had an active message board one piece of information floating around was that Morgan’s scent was picked up behind the Wild Wings in Cville. I asked Blink about it and she said that was proven to be untrue but that place just happens to be beside a restaurant where someone with spent a lot of time at Anchorage Farm with JB worked when Morgan was killed. And with that person in mind would any of the fires we have discussed have been visible from AF? I ask because I found two picture taken from AF in 2011 (by the aforementioned person) of the brush fires in the Ragged Mountain area. And let me reiterate I don’t have any reason to believe Blink was incorrect about the dogs finding Morgan’s scent I just can’t get over all the weird little coincidences in this case.
I wonder if the vague description Granny gave of PLG (Parking Lot Guy) included “tall, with curly hair”…according to Granny they seemed to know each other…in the early threads that was a very popular idea…she went with someone she knew…
Then somehow, somewhere, sometime in the night she “came into contact” with Sketch.
If Morgan’s phone going dead at 9:30 means 9:30 is the time of the abduction, then the calm demeanor of the girl on the lawn doesn’t make sense. But if the 9:30 time means only that the battery was lost (perhaps during the arm lock back and forth) then we really don’t know when or where Morgan’s night took it’s fatal turn…
Fwiw, I do not believe that Morgan was the young woman Ms. Parson’s saw.
B
Fwiw, I do not believe that Morgan was the young woman Ms. Parson’s saw.
B
You’re probably right Blink. Otherwise I think this case would have resolved. We are still here trying to understand this horrible thing.
Dont you hate when your reread a post and catch all the typos and mistakes that made it through?
Prefixed? argg prefaced except? noooo accept…I could go on but I am too embarrassed…. sigh
Blink, thanks very much for the comments on the umbrella
There is so much that we still cant know for certain.
I know it is frustrating for all of us I cant begin to understand how frustrating it us for The Harringtons I hope LE and they know more understand more than we do…
Alexandra- thanks and thank you for always being around to help keep the conversation going.
AJMO
BBL
John- hey as I said I am not saying NP lied,
BTW You bring up some important points for “truth” vs made up /- lying.
But what if she was just mistaken and after familiarizing herself with Morgans disappearance she inadvertently began to recall more specific details which she then incorporated into her accounts thinking they were part of her own remembrances?
We know she had been keeping up with the media on this case because she knew to show up at the orientation meeting and she did say she saw Morgans picture in the newspaper & saw the heavily made up eyes and then called police (2 days after having saw the group).
Here is a post from SM regarding an “elderly couple that got up to complain” at the November 6th meeting…this seems to be NP and Co..although the poster didnt know that at the time- even though NP’s account was known at that time she mistakenly thought they were 2 different accounts as they were different-
This seems to be where CS became aware of NP also….
snipped
Re: VA Tech Student Morgan Dana Harrington missing since Saturday, Oct.17
« Reply #262 on: November 05, 2009, 11:10:52 PM »
Post #53 Darlene Keith Via wrote29 minutes ago
UP DATE: At the meeting tonite an elderly couple got up and said they saw Morgan that nite on UVA Campus with 3 guys walking. They said it was near the Rotunda and Going towards the Dorm area.
Funny thing is at 3:30 or so in the morning the News Paper Delivery Person stated also that she saw Morgan with 3 Guys on Campus. That tells me that 3 people saw her with the same guys and the same area that she was probably headed to their “place” where ever that is. Her friends have said all along that she told them she could get a way back. I do believe these guys or at least one or two of them she “Knew” or maybe her brother knew.
The elderly couple said they called to report this and no one returned their call so they came to the meeting to complain and finally get to tell someone what they saw. Sounds like this could be something and if it is I hope she is still with these guys and OK. ! Maybe scared and the guys are overwhelmed now because they are scared about their future. We will see how this plays out. Just wanted to pass this along for what it is worth. Take Care.
John you wrote:
Two things tell me Ms. Parsons might actually be telling her best version of the truth (with a bit of embellishment, perhaps)
Again I am not saying NP lied and you could be 100% right IDK
But Lots of people called into say they may have saw Morgan- some were adamant they saw her it was her- all of them cant be right.
See here snipped:
As Morgan Harrington’s picture is spread across television and the internet, more people believe they have seen her since she disappeared from John Paul Jones Arena. People have called the police saying they’ve seen Harrington as far away as New Mexico and as close as UVa grounds.
John My question is how can we or police be sure which version of NPs truth is closest to being accurate? and If she exaggerated how can the actual person come forward?
Maybe the time was exaggerated or the day, or the attire or the # of boys or their height or hair type…maybe they cant recognize themselves from NPs accounts?
You went onto write:
First, if she were going to make up the story, why not have Morgan with black tights on????????
Again I am not saying she is making up the story or the encounter – She came forward because she believed she had seen Morgan OR “ AN INCREDIBLE LOOKALIKE”
I think Ms Parsons is human and with all people when someone doubts you- you tend to hold stronger to your conviction and become more certain- absent proof… I think with time Norma Parsons has convinced herself she saw Morgan- rewatch HMM she does not seem scared- or uncertain – she seems like she is a no nonsense lady who is almost defiant in her certainty /// IT WAS HER Eyes looking straight into the camera her head up- chin out- I Know faces I looked Her Dead In the face …
How can she be certain it was Morgan John? She doesnt know if the blonde had long hair She doesnt know what type of shirt she had on- She was dressed in black with no tights…She doesnt know How tall she was she was leaning…she had on heels… She was wearing alot of makeup…
IDK if it was Morgan and I dont believe NP knows either- it could have been or it may NOT have been-
You wrote:
All who saw her described black tights, …
No this isnt correct- all who saw her did not describe black tights…SS described them as Hose- others said fishnets… other witnesses said they couldnt recall any hose/tights etc on Morgan – and we now now they werent tights -they were leggings and despite many knowing this -they still thought DS could have been Morgan.
Just to give a snip of the confusion about the types – even into November, I have went back thru SM- many here and elsewhere were confused about Morgans attire Jacket no jacket tights no tights…Pantera shirt which one? Long sleeves short sleeves- We didnt know we hadnt seen Morgan…
Only those who had seen her would know and many who did werent sure-
See here:
Quote from: Kat_Gram on November 11, 2009, 11:29:45 AM
http://www.lrcf.net/photos/MorganHarrington.pdf
They have a new poster up with a description of her t shirt
It was a black Pantera one with rustlettering. A picture would be better, but I think they are getting the message. There is a description of her tights. I know I read or heard black fishnet tights, they just say black. But there is a description of the jewelry she ws wearing.
You wrote:
what would be Ms. Parsons’ reason for omitting them?
IDK maybe because the girl she saw wasnt wearing them- she may be convinced NOW that she saw Morgan but I dont think she was always so sure- JMO
Second, if this girl was someone other than Morgan, why has the other individual not come forth and stated same??????
see above and also Many people were in town for the wedding there had been a concert students frequent that area too…
NP imply whomever she saw was drunk…Maybe the girl doesnt remember – or maybe she doesnt want her parents or a boyfriend etc to know she was out at 3:45 in the Morning alone with 3 guys…. with a mini skirt way up on her hips…legs out……with heavily made up eyes…
You went on to write:
The only other possibility is that the whole stgory is a downriught lie, and if it is what would b e the purpose for telling such an untruth?
John I dont think the whole encounter has to be a downright lie…
I think NP thought she saw Morgan and she became determined to be believed-
First we dont know what NP said in her initial tip to police we dont know how detailed she was- but if her first newspaper account is close she described seeing a blonde woman dressed in all black with a short mini skirt- and high boots walking with 3 guys
She was determined to be believed – (How could she not be at this point- She was so certain she had stood up in an orientation meeting …she had went to the Npapers to complain that Police hadnt taken her tip etc) … If NP was later asked for specifics from the reporters.. or police or the Harringtons but was unsure of the shirt…. was it long sleeve/short sleeve- tan letters /white letters/ band faces /no band faces…..well in NP minds eye perhaps she wasnt certain the safest remembrance was she had to have had a jacket on…was her hair long? How Long? Was it up or down? Well …now that you ask I am unsure…so perhaps in NP minds eye she “saw” the blondes hair as suddenly tucked into the jacket…. about those boots were they chunky heels or spiky heels above the knee or below…they were high boot high knee boots high heels…
Besides maybe the girl she saw was dressed just like that- and maybe the girl wasnt Morgan despite NPs certainty..
You went on to write:
I can think of a few reasons, as can all of you.
So, even if it is a lie, she should have been accurate re the leggings, and also re the black jacket which was done up…
No it was a lONG time before everyone was on the same page on the tights /hose/and even longer before we knew they were leggings.
you wrote::
..everyone knew she was wearing a pantera shirt.
True- but what kind and there was talk of Morgan possibly buying a concert tee and wearing that instead?
You wrote:
If the girl has come forward to the police, and they are not telling us, I cannot think why that would be I can think of some reasons why the police would pretend to downplay the sighting, for example, the kings son was involved. Even if this story is true, it does not mean they killed Morga
.
John they have not ruled out NP sighting in fact they took it very serious- they didnt downplay it– Grannys sighting has been downplayed-
NP sighting was checked it out- more than once with dogs etc…and in HMM Rader says PP it may come into play later…
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I dont think the girl, if someone other than Morgan, came forward to police- certainly not before HMM aired. Otherwise why even discuss the possible sighting?
Again I am not calling NP a liar- I do not know who she saw-
I just think NP cant be as certain as she says- as her accounts changed.
John -Alexandra -Tango and Blink thanks for weighing in with your thoughts
Peace
AJMO
I have wondered here before if Sketch might have a local accomplice–quite possibly a woman relative or friend. Maybe she/he is scared to death of him. That could explain why no one is coming forward with info on Sketch–frightened of him. Surely somebody local knows something, so why are they silent? They’re being paid off or they’re terrified.
alabamamom says:
July 21, 2012 at 5:19 am
The first real details we ever got from DINO per the person at the door who was the ticket taker go against my gut feelings for the night. The ticket taker gives way too much information , too many details. One of the main problems was the ticket taker saying that Morgan was turned away / denied re-entry because she did not have a ticket/ hers was torn into pieces in her purse. that makes NO Sense to me . the Policy we have heard over & over was that there is No Re-Entry.
Too many details by this person at the door saying he explained their policy to her before she left & that she understood. I doubt that after a fall & hitting her face , being seen in the restroom washing off her face & crying .. I doubt that she was able to be calm enough to Listen! Also the decibel level would have most likely left her in a state of not being able to hear temporarily. Also if she had planned on being outside , she would have gone back for her coat IMO.
—Hello all good points
I think that description was of one attmpt at reenrty- I think they were trying to cover their butt to an extent JPJ or the security firm that is- I think Morgan may have been blacklisted from the arena– after her “spat” with the female security guard-
She was injured INSIDE they knew it and they did not get her medical attention nor did they allow her reentry despite several attempts at different entrances
snipped from hook article Still missing: Ed Smart joins Harrington parents; new details emerge
new information suggests the injured 20-year-old Virginia Tech student’s efforts to regain entry to the John Paul Jones Arena after she somehow ended up outside during an October 17 Metallica concert were more intense than previously reported.
“She did make a few attempts to get back into the arena at different entrances,” says Virginia State Police spokesperson Corrinne Geller in an email, declining to elaborate on which entrances or exactly how many times she tried. Previously, police had confirmed only one attempt before Morgan spoke to a friend inside and reportedly told them she’d find her own way home.
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I think we will find out just how much JPJ failed Morgan with the civilsuit-
I think they blacklisted an injured patron who was acting out of sorts possibly belligerent irrational…I think they assumed she was drunk- and didnt follow through with getting her aid- either by a trip to Police drunk tank or firstaid station etc-
See here:
http://www.johnpauljonesarena.com/about.aspFirst Aid
The First Aid stations are located across from sections 309 and 109. In addition, if first aid is needed, please notify the nearest staff member.
Guest Concerns
John Paul Jones Arena is committed to providing proactive immediate response to issues affecting guests. Should a concern arise during an event, please visit the Guest Services Booth sponsored by ACAC at Section 310, on the main concourse, to have your concern addressed or make a nearby staff member aware of the concern.
Guest Conduct
In order to maintain a safe and enjoyable atmosphere, John Paul Jones Arena asks that guests be courteous to those around them and abide by Arena policies. Guests who use offensive or abusive language, behave in an unruly manner, or appear to be intoxicated are subject to removal.
AJMO
Mom3
I was completely unaware of somehow thinking/stating/believing that you thought NP was/might be/is a liar. I am neutral with regards
to what others might think or state. Just expressing my own thoughts. With regards to the leggings, you are complicating things too much, IMO. It was known that Morgan had on black “tights” (stockings, leggings, fishnets, whatever, it does not matter) Most people would not notice or even know the difference. Bare legs vs. black leggings is the point. IMO NP original description is closest to the truth as one can get. It is most likely about 30% accurate….well give her 70%, since she is an artist of some kind, according to her. With regards to this point, unless NP had drawn Morgan from life, or painted her, she would not remember exactly what her features were, although she might think she would remember from a few glances, she wouln’t, unless she had a photographic memory, which she obviously doesn’t. She might think she would remember, because once a likeness has been created, you could then “see it” forever with your eyes closed, and recreate it if you wanted to. She may be confusing this in her mind, IDK. B has stated that she believes the woman NP saw was not in fact Morgan. I “hear” that, and will not press the matter, since I trust she knows a lot more about it than I do. (I do understand your point about the girl not wishing to come forward for obvious reasons, which the young would concern themselves with, and I would not LOL)
thanks mom3.0 and all ,for the encouragement. mom3.0 have you come across any posts in the back log ,about a black tarp maybe being found at the remains site, as well as uva grounds search. i am wondering what it is, that makes blink think the purse was returned to the lot. its got be the credit cards , or the black cloth. mr bass said he saw black clothing , at this point ,it seems, he could only mean the mini skirt.
Interesting discussion about Parsons and the tights. I’m not sure if Morgan was spotted by NP or not. Based on what we know and Blink’s comments it seems unlikely. With that being said I don’t think the tights issue discredits the sighting. Morgan seems to have been quite clumsy that night so there is a chance at some point the tights tore and she just took them off in the bathroom and threw them away. Of course ripped tights would be acceptable at the concert she attended but removing them may have been a comfort issue. And when it comes to fashion leggings and black tights can mean the same thing. I’m 26 and I wear black leggings,tights,and hose quite often since they really pull a look together. I have several pair of footless,black,opaque, tights. Depending on the brand they are sometimes referred to as tights on the label and at other times as leggings although the material is more like hosiery than a typical cotton legging.
Olivia many have wondered if a local female helped Sketch. Some have suggested maybe a woman in a relationship with Sketch found the shirt and placed it where it would be found. That major issue I have with that theory is that doing something like that would suggest for a brief period of time Sketch wasn’t in a position to hurt her. Of course a potential female accomplice may not have had anything to do with the shirt. It is worth nothing that Blink once commented that whoever Sketch is probably has a rather violent relationship with the woman in his life especially when it comes to sex.
He will have a history of domestic battery ( does not mean he was ever arrested for it- we will learn this from any women he was involved with) and pockets of what we call a compliant victim where he acts out similar fantasy. However, it will be a woman of the same race.
B
So, leaving out the girl on the lawn sighting, we still have the Granny sighting…which apparently has not been factored into the police timeline…was that Morgan or not? And if it was, who was the guy, where is he, and was that when Morgan’s battery fell out? Apparently the dogs didn’t track Morgan *back* to Uhall parking lot did they? Blink can you give us more info about why you believe Granny but not Norma?
I believe, sans independent verification, that Ms. Parsons thinks she saw Morgan, so it would be inaccurrate to say that I believe Granny and not her.
Everything about Granny’s account is sound, it matches the scene, timeline, and imo, a “first witness” account before many facts were known. As an investigative analyst, it is my opinion her statement should be given great weight.
I have, and I am firm in my belief she saw Morgan Harrington in that lot, just as she described the circumstances. To my knowledge, she is the only person that ever described Morgan’s large gold earring.
If VSP has not re-interviewed her after my efforts to direct them to same, I can promise you should the civil proceeding progress, it will play a vital role.
B
So again we are asking when the civil suit may move forward?
I have a lot of catching up to do.
I need to first try again to clarify my posts. I am not saying anyone is saying I am calling NP a liar
I am glad that my bringing up Norma Parsons different statements have added to the conversation but
Just to be clear- I did not bring them up to question her truthfulness nor did I bring them up to assert any position for or against disregarding them as part of Morgans possible timeline.
I first brought them up to illustrate that we should NOT take any one account/article/statement etc as fact-
We shouldnt rely on any one thing but take everything all together.
For instance I brought up NP to show in HMM they may not have portrayed all the facts-
as they made it seem as if noone was taking NP “tip” serious until CS found her-
They made it seem like the only one that followed -up on NP at first was CS they made it seem as if until the orientation meeting, NP had not ever been able to give her tip to LE and they made it seem like NP had never gave her account to another News paper
By the time CS had published NP account- NP had already talked to police and the Harringtons- stated her tip and her feelings on LE’s “failures” to the public- in a community meeting and had already been interviewed and published by 2 different News papers -the second her employers.
They made it seem as if Police just brushed over NP
They made it seem like NP accounts/details had never changed
and they made it seem as if Norma Parsons account was “eerily” similar to the bookkeepers account-
an account that has no similarities to NP except that both witnesses had seen a woman walking with a group of men BK 4 NP 3- . And both witnesses according to CS and HMM had used similar language in describing the account-
“I thought, ‘That girl should have no business going off with those guys, walking into an empty parking lot when the concert is getting ready to start.”
“I thought, ‘What’s she doing out here dressed like that,’”
“Its 3:45 in the morning, and I was like, why is she out here with a mini skirt on…out here., legs out, and shes with these 3 guys?”
and they made it seem as if the BK account was off because of the description she gave of the womans attire
although they let CS downplay NP discrepancies on the attire they made it seem as if BK account had discrepancies on the attire which were similar to NPs…
see here:
snipped from HMM
The Hook paper/Reporter CS- launched its own investigation the day after Morgan disappeared…… goes to orientation of volunteer searchers according to CS- NP stands up and says ” Why has nobody returned my call?. I have been trying to give you my tip, I saw Her.”
NP-(pp) she noticed “Morgan” was just standing there… she was tall…blonde, her hair was stuck inside of her jacket..so I … just stood there while they walked sloowwlly by me… I just noticed she had all black on, black jacket, black skirt, no tights…umm.. knee high boots… 3 white young males walking with her… She walked up the steps…I looked her dead in the face…
The Next morning NP says she recognized Morgans pic on front of newspaper as lawn sighting…
LE (Rader) says they vetted NP lawn sighting- several different times, different LEO… blood hounds were used.. so we havent discarded that info.. we just have not… that could come into play later on… as more info is unraveled……as it is right now, we can not corroborate that sighting
Notice CS does not make mention that NPs description is off or not spot on (in the show at several points they even “reenact” MH with a black jacket on)
CS- takes it upon herself to go check out the lawn story herself…went to the room that NP says she saw girl & 3 boys, exiting… student there says its not possible…said she probably saw guests from wedding reception…
NP says (pp) Im good at faces… faces… 5 years later Ill remember
(it wasnt the next day that NP saw the pics & contacted police it was Tuesday)
and then
Narrator says NP account has “eerie similarity” to another witness account unearthed by CS…
CS peaking about the BK sighting: ***** by me
woman from Richmond arrived late she saw group of 4 young men…crossed in front of her car with a wobbily blonde… wearing black boots and *****”sort of “***** an in outfit that matched the description of what Morgan had been wearing..
Without physical evidence, no vid to support either accounts impossible for LE to prove accuracy…
Cappuzzo comments-
“Eyewitness accounts in a criminal investigation-are very important, but IWitness Info, generally, always has to corroborated in some way…”
Sort of?
well not according to CS article which reads: ****** by me
snipped
“It was right about 9pm when we were driving down Massie Road with JPJ to left,” says a Richmond bookkeeper/musician whose late arrival prevented her from hearing opening acts Gojira and Lamb of God— but got her there in time to spot a “wobbly” blonde woman step in front of the car.
With the blonde were four young, white men— a conspicuous group, says the witness, because of the direction they were headed: away from the Arena.
******In addition to a black miniskirt, tights, and a black shirt, the young blonde was wearing distinctive high-heeled boots,******
says the witness, a mother of two who spoke on condition of anonymity over concern for getting “pulled into the fray.”
****Until now, the missing woman’s boots have been described as “knee high,” but this witness insists they were “over the knee…. ”****
So black mini skirt check
black tights check
black shirt check
distinctive over the knee high heeled boots check
yep definitely sort of an outfit like Harringtons
NP
black mini check
black high heeled knee high boots check
black jacket unknown shirt
no tights
eye makeup check
yes sort of an outfit like MH
snipped from Blinks boots article from APRIL of 2010:
There have been countless witness accounts and reported sightings of Morgan since she vanished from JPJ, most of which, have been prefaced by stating “ or a person matching Morgan’s description”, so we are truly left to sift through what is accurate, and what is a well intentioned bystander.
One of the most conflicting item descriptions, is that of the boots she was wearing that fateful evening.
Below is a picture of the boot Morgan was wearing the evening of October 17, 2009, as confirmed by Morgan’s Mother Gil Harrington, to be “spot on”.
As you can see, it has no laces, and a cuff of approximately 3” that can be worn EITHER at the knee, or above, as reported by the witness who believes she saw Morgan walking away from JPJ with 4 men young men dressed in black, and again in the lot adjacent to Uhall.
Additionally confirmed to blinkoncrime.com, Morgan was wearing “footless” tights or leggings, which would require additional socks.
Morgan was known for the very distinctive socks she wore under these boots.
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I agree with everyone who says Morgan may have later on removed her tights and I agree she may have also been wearing a jacket and I agree she also may have been able to reapply her makeup- and I agree NP may have seen her.
Heres the thing- why is it that most seem to put so much stock in NPs account- up until APril we still didnt know what kind of boots and for many months we were confused about tights hose etc- when barelegged DS video came out we all thought it could be Morgan-
We all were confused on her shirt for many many months until Nov we werent sure of what color the writing of Pantera
NP admits that she could be mistaken:
Hook article snipped:
Parson acknowledges there’s a possibility the woman she saw wasn’t Morgan, but without knowing who it was— or who the men with that woman are— she says, there’s no way to rule it out.
but says she is certain because she saw a pic
snipped:
When she learned of Harrington’s disappearance two days later and saw photographs of heavy mascara- and eyeliner-wearing Morgan, “I knew immediately it was the same girl I saw,” says Parson, who credits art training for teaching her to examine facial details— even those she sees in passing. “I never had a moment’s doubt,” she insists.
Again NP may have seen Morgan and police have not ruled it out-
But I remember early on we were all confused about what MH looked like we had seen many many pics with makeup with out- some with long hair some shorter some golden hair some light blond some Morgan was very thin in some she was not-
We all lamented for the most recent pic- what did Morgan Harrington look like on Oct 17th-
We women know makeup can change your look considerably- google Morgan Harrington images…review her pics here on BOC…in almost every picture Morgan Harrington looks different-
If you saw her in different clothes that night, with her hair tucked up in a jacket, with heavily made up eyes would you be positive you saw her when comparing your two day old memory to a picture?
If you called police on Oct 20th a Tues- would you then go to a NPaper NOT your own, to make your tip public if you werent sure if police had taken it…would you complain police hadnt called you back #3 BUSINESS DAYS later October 26th?
Would you then go to the search orientation community meeting and stand up to complain and to speak out amongst strangers publicly and to The Harringtons saying police havent called you back 9 business days after your account was in the paper?
I mean I understand the urgency to get the tip out but isnt 3 Business days alittle early to go to the media? 9 business days especially if you are frightened?
If frightened and only comparing your sighting of MH to a pic-Would you after appearing at the meeting and voicing your concerns to LE AND the Harringtons and Knowing they now were aware would you then give interviews with your own paper and The Hook telling them everything you are certain of and telling them everything seen and heard and your name job etc- …would you then cont to complain Police arent listening and wont let you put the people you saw in a line-up- and state that you again had seen one of the “group” on a later night on the lawn while doing your NP delivery job??
Does all this info concern me? Yes does it make me wonder/ yes am I questioning NP truthfulness no- am I trying top get others to disregard this sighting no
I am glad Police checked it out I am glad they are open to reviewing it
I hope they did as much vetting with akll other potential sightings such as grannys and I hope they are still willing to revisit them all.
Again all I am saying is we cant take any one account article etc as fact-
Thats all
AJMO
Peace
NP behavior is atypical of witness accounts. I am also aware that she had a previous tie to security within UVA. To my knowledge, she never disclosed that.
BY no means does that support someone being deceptive, I have no idea about that.
B
when is the civil suit?
Leelee says:
July 21, 2012 at 5:30 am
So much to catch up on.Amazing commentary as usual Mom3.0! Looking through old news stories I was a bit surprised that it wasn’t until December 30th that state police stated that Morgan was most likely abducted. I wonder what that tells us about when the police had confirmation regarding evidence on Morgan’s shirt. Perhaps the Fairfax link was known before Morgan’s remains were found.
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Thanks Lee Lee- yes that December 30th briefing had a great deal of info in it- and I think it quite possible that LE had the connection prior to Morgans remains being found-
and we know they definitely had the connection before they decided to release the info on Sketch and they were holding it for whatever reason.
It is just my opinion but I do believe they were hoping the shirt placer/perp would come forward on his own claiming to be a helper or other and then I think LE thought it was going to be Sketch that was the planter/perp and I think they wanted to surprise him with the DNA connection to the FF rape
IIRC The Harringtons were making definite statements about the perp being in Charolettesville from there possibly and LE was making comments of the answers will be found in Charlottesville.
Were The Harringtons were tired of waiting for Sketch shirtplanter and or perp to come forward
They knew there was a connectuion and that Sketch had harmed someone in the FF case- I think they were tired of police using the tact of you help us well help you…
They wanted to be sure to protect the Next Girl AJMO
I think without Blink they might still be withholding this info-
certainly past the time of HMM as all LE would say is sometime prior to her death Morgan harrington came into contact with Sketch and a forensic link was found from Sketch in both the FF case and Morgans.
The only way this statement is logical to me is if they are assuming that because the shirt was found in Charlottesville and Morgans hair was found on it probably sans deathbanding ( pointing towards her being alive at the time)and probably Sketchs hair or blood or spot was found on it they say propr to her death in Charlottesville otherwise it would seem an eyewitness would have had to pit the two together alive and unharmed…right?
I know it still doesnt make sense because the shirt could have came off before her death..and placed there after….
BUT if this is why…. deathbanding- forensic link to Sketch on shirt, that does not mean LE didnt find more connections to Sketch with the remains as I am sure they are withholding info as they said a wealth of physical evidence was found with Morgan…
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In regards to planting the shirt someone referenced the sort of situation that would occur where someone who knew Morgan’s killer found it and planted it out of guilt or maybe spite yet never came forward once there was a public verification that the shirt belonged to Morgan. I have long wondered about the same thing. My hunch has always been that Sketch didn’t plant the shirt. If he did he is an absolute idiot on top of being a despicable violent monster.
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You could be right Lee lee IDK but m,any sick monsters have toyed wioth police and get off on doing so- they right letters leave clues and all the rest…
heck sometimes Killers are lucky and sometimes LE refuse to see whats happening right in front of their face
Jeffery Dahmer was almost caught with a hysterical bleeding young man who couldnt speak english but was trying get help from police… JD convinced LE it was a lovers spat- and they sent the young man back in to be killed…
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If I was Sketch I would have burned the shirt. And if I wanted to plant something to buy time and throw off searchers I wouldn’t plant the shirt where he did I would drive to another county and plant it if I really wanted to distract the public. The risk of being caught planting a shirt in a very public place during the day doesn’t make sense to me unless you are going to throw search parties off by about 50 miles.
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Lee Lee Yes whomever did it took a huge chance and I dont understand it either- but the shirt planting does not rule out anyone not a killer taunting or trying to divert and not a helper trying to get even or scare Sketch and not someone trying to help police get the BG…
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But I am still confused as to why the planter never came forward. To me it seems that person would not have remained so anonymous unless they frequently interacted with Sketch. There are endless scenarios that I come up with. The one which currently intrigues me the most regards Sketch being arrested for an unrelated crime (like dealing drugs ) and therefore no longer a physical danger to the person who planted it.
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All goods questions and points IDK maybe both are dead- or drugged out or have moved on…. or maybe the”message” was sent and recieved or maybe the goal was achieved and it wasnt to help LE or Morgan?
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In terms of an accomplice I have two scenarios in my mind. Prior to the Fairfax attack Sketch verbally engaged the victim and said he was waiting for a ride. Since there is frequently a bit of truth in most lies maybe he really was planning in being picked up by someone. That would explain why we heard anyone come forward with a sighting immediately after the rape. Someone picked him up and he was quickly away from the scene. If there is an accomplice in Morgan’s case then maybe yet again he relied on that person to pick him up. And as was mentioned above maybe it is that person who has the Anchorage tie hence the inability to identify a suspect.
Plausible Interesting theory could be a loved one like a parent- many parents would not turn in their child…
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My other theory is that whoever killed Morgan did have someone help dump her body but not actually assist in terms of rape and murder. If that person exists then yet again maybe he or she is the one with the Anchorage Farm ties. The killer could have told that person a lie about what happened to cause Morgan’s death. They could have said she died of an overdose after consensual sex or they hit her with their car. They convinced the friend or family member that the police would assume the worst and therefore a lengthy jail sentence was the likely outcome. That person may not have come forward by now because of fear of facing their own criminal charges or they happen to be an equally awful person. Conjectures like that may seem useless and unable to prove but to me they are helpful because it is obvious that somewhere along the way a piece of this puzzle was put in the wrong place so we lack a clear picture of what happened to Morgan.
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Good thinking and again very plausible
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I apologize ahead of time if any of the following information is untrue. I haven’t read that it was debunked but as many of us know there are sooooooo many comments on this site the truth gets lost from time to time. Like everything else in this case I can get over the fact that the young women incorrectly thought to be Morgan by several witnesses actually knew the Morgan’s friends and they were going to possibly get together after the concert but didnt since one friend said a member of their group(Morgan) was missing.I have often heard people says there are no coincidences in crimes but that certainly isn’t the deal with this case.
Back when FindMorgan had an active message board one piece of information floating around was that Morgan’s scent was picked up behind the Wild Wings in Cville. I asked Blink about it and she said that was proven to be untrue but that place just happens to be beside a restaurant where someone with spent a lot of time at Anchorage Farm with JB worked when Morgan was killed. And with that person in mind would any of the fires we have discussed have been visible from AF? I ask because I found two picture taken from AF in 2011 (by the aforementioned person) of the brush fires in the Ragged Mountain area. And let me reiterate I don’t have any reason to believe Blink was incorrect about the dogs finding Morgan’s scent I just can’t get over all the weird little coincidences in this case.
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Sorry Lee Lee I am with you I cant 100% rule out or confirm anything…
I know Blink trys to help us as much as she can Thanks Blink – sometimes I know she is as frustrated as we are IRT positive FACTS in this case
but just when I think I can rule something out 100 % some info pops up making me re question everything I thought I knew before
Great Post Lee Lee
AJMO
Blink that post to Lee lee is from me
sorry for typos
susanm- Hi your welcome Ill try to find what you are looking for BBL
LeeLee,
I was thinking that Sketch gave this hypothetical woman instructions to place the shirt out for him. If she were frightened of him she would not have done it without being told to. In other words, she would not do anything to jeopardize her own life or her children’s….In what other ways might she have been involved with MH’s murder? Maybe she has the connection to AF rather than Sketch or maybe he just uses her when he needs her for back-up. Who knows? It’s pure speculation. I just have a feeling in my gut that a woman has provided assistance to Sketch. But if someone besides Sketch has touched the shirt, wouldn’t there be DNA evidence? Not that it would be in the database necessarily but LE would know that other DNA is on the shirt, I would think.
Regarding the Parsons sighting:
If Granny DID see Morgan, that means Morgan left the bridge and was not picked up hitch-hiking, which is what most of us seem to believe given the problems with the official time-line. If she walked elsewhere and was with other people, such as a young white man (Granny observed them arguing and having physical contact), then she might have left the JPJ arena/U-Hall parking lots and ended up with him and/or other young men elsewhere on campus several hours later where Parsons saw them. It’s possible. Then there might have been some kind of connection (from stalking by Sketch or drugs or friendship) to Sketch through these young men or whenever she left the young men. It seems possible, at least, that she lived beyond the end of the concert.
Again, my thoughts are on the curtsy duo…
Yep. Looking forward to reading their statements.
B
Has anyone here been following Erika Megan Sharpton’s case? Megan (she went by her middle name) was a 24 year old student whose body was found, earlier this month, burning on the side of a remote Tennessee road by a passing motorist. Although there hasn’t been a lot of information about the evidence (if there is any), some of what has been released reminded me of the facts in Morgan’s case. Megan was killed shortly after she was last accounted for. Her body was found the next day in a remote area about 20 miles from where her car was found and not too far from a major interstate. She was beaten to death and her purse and its’ contents were scattered in a different location from her car and body. There hasn’t been any mention of whether she was sexually assaulted and/or if any DNA evidence had been found. It doesn’t sound like Megan had a risky lifestyle and her boyfriend has been cleared.
Maybe it’s a long shot that Megan might have also been murdered by Sketch, but I got chills when I read her story and saw some of the similarities….and was just wondering what ya’ll think. Wasn’t there a fire the same night Morgan went missing, somewhere near Anchorage Farm where her body ended up being found? It made me wonder if there could have been an attempt by Sketch to burn Morgan’s body…..and after a failed attempt, he could have moved her to Anchorage Farm.
http://www.realitychatter.com/t4063-megan-sharpton-found-deceased-7-2-12
I received a request to profile Megan’s case. My caseload and personal commitments not withstanding, this is an individual known to this woman. An unsub burns evidence at the scene because it ties them to the victim..
I have, and I am firm in my belief she saw Morgan Harrington in that lot, just as she described the circumstances. To my knowledge, she is the only person that ever described Morgan’s large gold earring.
If VSP has not re-interviewed her after my efforts to direct them to same, I can promise you should the civil proceeding progress, it will play a vital role.
B
I’m assuming no one ever came forward to say it was them arguing in the lot and seen by granny? Why would LE not release a description of the male as seen by granny? Are they totally discounting that the female could have been Morgan?
I’m guessing that Sketch, since we are talking profiles, has trouble performing sexually and is only able to do so when he is enraged. If that is the case, that would explain broken bones.
Blink if Sketch does have a history of domestic violence could you hypothesize regarding the chance the woman would be the sort who frequently comtacted police regarding his violence or would it be more of a suffer in silence situation? Interesting comment regarding race when it comes to Sketch’s significant other. I noted the blog a poster shared a few pages back regarding various types of rapists. Most seemed to prefer victims of their own race. I’ve always been intrigued by the difference in Sketches two known victims with regards to race. If Sketch is caught, no, WHEN Sketch is caught I wonder if there will be any sort of commonality in his victims other than being in a vulnerable position at the wrong place and time?
Mom3.0 did I miss a post from you to me? Noticed
you mentioned one to Blink and I don’t think I see anything new but then again my brain is slow when I first wake up. And I totally relate regarding the typo issue. Especially now that I’m using an iPad. Even when I proofread it seems my mind sees what my comment is meant to say and overlooks my glaring typos.
Another interesting hypothesis Olivia. There could be more DNA on the shirt that we simply don’t know about since LE has been notoriously tight lipped in this case although their reasoning is understandable.
Pardon me while I dive into the rabbit hole so often referenced in terms of theories regarding this case. One nagging question I have is how do we know Morgan was raped by Sketch? I don’t mean whether or not the act took place because I 100% believe she was raped. Instead I wonder regarding the certainty that Sketch was the rapist. Was Sketch’s semen found on Morgan? Or was it a situation where there was obvious vaginal trauma and blood found at the scene and on the shirt matched DNA from the Fairfax rape therefore the logical conclusion is that Sketch raped Morgan. On the last page of the previous article there is a discussion between Mom 3.0 and Purzzday(best name ever) regarding a comment made by Gil. Some remember Gil describing Morgan as either more than a semen soaked rag or more than a sperm rag. However an exact source was never found and Blink didn’t recall it either. Beyond that conversation I don’t recall learning that semen was definitely on Morgan. I never bought into the Sketch DNA being planted as part of some sort of LE conspiracy. However if there was no semen belonging to Sketch then could he simply have helped the actual murderer get Morgan’s body from wherever she was murdered to Anchorage Farm and was accidentally cut at some point? And if Sketch knew that person’s criminal background then a good way to make sure he keeps his mouth shut would be to plant that shirt when he knew it had his accomplices DNA present. Such an accomplice could have freaked out when the story made the national news and entertained the idea of turning Sketch in or at least saying where the body could be found . It could be a sort of three can keep a secret if two are dead situation where Sketch upped his chances of not being caught by making sure his accomplice knew he would potentially face jail if he came forward.