Kyron Horman Disappearance Series Part I: Desiree Young V Terri Horman- Civil As An Oxymoron
Civil As An Oxymoron
Desiree Young, Kyron’s biological mother and arguably the bravest soul in recent memory as far as the frantic and grieving mom’s of missing children’s set is concerned, believes her youngest son has been kidnapped by Terri Horman.
Or that she arranged for same by some unknown party and is demanding his location or the location of his remains.
Her recent civil suit filed by Eldon Rosenthal makes these direct allegations against the woman that by her own admission, she entrusted with the care of her toddler son in 2003.
Her suit is demanding $10 million dollars with a reservation to amend to include punitive damages later. The complaint is 5 pages long, or apparently $2million a page.
Last month a ruling by Judge Harry Kantor denying an abatement motion will allow the suit to proceed, for now.
The decision was widely seen as a win for Desiree Young in her tenacious quest to seek answers in the disappearance of her son Kyron from The Skyline School on June 4th, 2010. Headlines throughout the region and the evening talking head regulars praised the Judge’s decision for the Mom who has had no previous success in very public campaigns to engage Terri Horman’s cooperation in the investigation.
The legal community however, not so much. The decision to move the case forward relied largely on the fact that although it was patently clear from Ms. Young’s filing and subsequent public commentary by her and counsel Eldon Rosenthal that she alleges Horman has committed criminal acts resulting in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
Terri Horman has neither been declared a suspect by police nor has she been indicted by a grand jury who continues to meet on the case.
Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father, learned about the suit filed by his former wife by a member of the media seeking comment on his reaction to it. He has not been made a party to the civil action although he was awarded primary physical custody of the couple’s son in March, 2004.
I count myself with the thousands that want this aggrieved Mother and Father to locate their child regardless of the outcome.
That said, it is ridiculous to think a woman whose criminal attorney has advised her not to respond to a twice- renewed restraining order precluding her from seeing her now 3 year old daughter is going to utter a syllable outside of assertion of her 5th amendment rights during any deposition she is compelled to participate in.
On June 4, 2010, Terri Horman, acting alone or in concert with others, intentionally kidnapped Kyron Horman from ; Skyline Elementary School. Kyron has not been seen or heard from by either of his parents since prior to Terri Horman taking Kyron to school that morning.
Did Not Miss The Memo
The Honorable Harry Kantor penned an accompanying order memorandum to his ruling following oral arguments on August 18th, It is worthy of the Honorable Belvin Perry’s stamp of approval- with the exception of course that is does not contain the phrase, “no earthly idea.”
It did however; contain the first ever direct statement that Terri Horman is a suspect in the investigation, a PRIME suspect, no less. In pertinent part:
“..The focus of the defendant’s motion is to stop the prosecution of this civil case while an ongoing active criminal investigation into both young Kyron Horman’s disappearance in 2010 and a murder-for-hire plot against Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, is pending, so that the defendant (Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and Kaine’s wife) is not required to decide whether to exercise her constitutional rights against self-incrimination under the United States and Oregon Constitutions before it is necessary to do so in any criminal prosecution which may follow the investigation. The plaintiff is Kyron ‘smother. The defendant is a prime suspect in the investigation …” (emphasis added by me)
Interestingly, Judge Kantor takes it upon himself to declare Terri Horman a prime suspect in BOTH the ongoing criminal investigations of a murder for hire plot and Kyron’s disappearance.
While it is a fair statement to say that both sides agree that Terri Horman is the subject or focus via “laser pointer” of the investigation into Kyron’s disappearance and her attorneys used that point to support abatement. At no time and in no document or filing has either side said Terri Horman was a prime suspect of anything? Where does Judge Kantor come by such information?
For his Honor to state his concern over tainting a jury pool, and then to allege, or divulge, as it were, that Terri Horman is a prime suspect in a murder for hire plot in an ongoing criminal investigation- is he privy to such information from some alternative source that is not contained on the record?
A request for any exparte information should be forthcoming. Where is the conversation with District Attorney Rod Underhill or his office read into the record? It has not been.
Lea Conner, Washington Family Attorney and BOC legal analyst sees Judge Kantor’s take differently:
“…The judge is not referring exclusively to the Desiree Young lawsuit.
Kaine Horman claimed in his TRO petition that law enforcement provided him with probable cause to believe that Terri Horman had attempted to hire someone to kill him.
He again made the same claim in papers filed after the TRO petition (specifically alleging that Terri was sexting the landscaper who she wanted to murder him, then allegedly sexted Michael Cook).
Kaine reiterated his allegations a third time in papers he filed last fall in response to Terri Horman’s motion for parenting time.
Kaine once again claimed Terri Horman tried to hire a hit man when he sought to renew the restraining order in 2011. There was an additional line added to the renewal, and though it sounded like something new, it was just Kaine reiterating the same allegations.
The Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment applies to criminal matters, and it does not allow prior testimonial statements of witnesses to be admitted where the witness has since become unavailable. Crawford v. Washington, 541 U.S. 36 (2004).
Here, we are talking about a civil matter. The Confrontation Clause and the holding of Crawford do not apply to civil matters or other non-criminal proceedings…”
In Oregon, a special appearance is used by a party who wishes to vacate an unauthorized proceeding without consenting to jurisdiction of the court:
A “special appearance” is made by a party when he or his attorney seeks to obtain from the court an order vacating some proceeding which, it is insisted, has been undertaken by the adverse party in an unauthorized manner; such an appearance being thus limited to prevent conferring jurisdiction of the person. Again, Ms. Conner’s thoughts:
…” The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that the judge’s point was the last couple of pages that says Terri Horman’s lawyers cannot make any motion without appearing. This is to say that a special appearance allows a challenge as to the validity of a specific action, but it does not otherwise allow an attorney (nor a party) to file other types of motions or to seek other relief, as was done here.
The abatement that the attorneys sought would act as a protective order. Abatement is not a challenge to the propriety nor validity of the underlying action. As such, Terri Horman’s lawyers needed to appear before filing a motion as to the issue of abatement. ..”
Judge Kantor chose the teamwork approach in an adversarial proceeding, and instructed Terri Horman’s counsel they will need to file an appearance. He attempts to present the case’s challenges to both sides and seeks input as to how best to protect the rights of the defendant, in pertinent part:
The court does not have any particular length of time for this delay in mind at this juncture. lnstead, the court would like the parties and their lawyers to consult and confer about the following and then report back:
1. Should the court require the defendant to file an answer to the complaint which admits or denies the plaintiffs allegations or simply allow the defendant to litigate as if she denied those allegations? If so, by when and for how long?
2. Should the plaintiff be required to establish “reasonable suspicion” or “probable cause” (as defined in criminal cases) that the defendant has done what is alleged through other evidence before the defendant is required to answer oral or written deposition questions under oath?
3. Should the plaintiff be required to serve written deposition questions, which would be subject to court review upon proper motion, and review the answers before taking the defendant’s oral deposition?
Once the court has the parties’ answers to these questions, I will meet with the lawyers to form a schedule and plan for this case. Further briefing and hearings may be required as well.
Defacto Suspect Is Defacto Parent?
History is rife with hellacious stories of parents killing their own children, their own families, and ones parent status should not be considered a reason to exclude anyone. In fact, as we all know, it is 90% more likely that Kyron disappeared due to the actions of a parent or family member and all law enforcement investigators begin a parallel investigation of all with access or motive, from the start.
A hypotenuse only exists within a right triangle. This case is anything but.
Horman, through her attorneys has already certified she will protect her right not to incriminate herself and considering one of the remedies Ms. Young is seeking is that she does just that- who chaired the risk vs. reward strategy meeting in this case in its current form?
In Horman’s favor, Oregon law is one of few in the country that specifies that a jury cannot take the fact that she pleads the fifth and ostensibly cannot or is very limited in her ability to defend her case into its deliberation considerations.
Has Desiree Young been appropriately prepared for the litany of possibilities that might arise out of this filing?
Like, say, a counter suit or an effective defense resulting in a dismissal with prejudice? An award for Horman’s attorney fees ?
For the record, for those of you cringing while reading that remark, I cringed at writing it.
When someone files a purposefully vague claim against another accusing them of a criminal act (s) they will be beyond its tensile strength to support, many possibilities of alternative defense strategies become available to the DEFENDANT.
Ms. Young’s complaint made criminal accusations in a civil action that all agree parallel current criminal investigations. However, even if Horman was in a position to defend herself without violating her fifth amendment right, as it is written- the complaint is not even “answerable”.
“I believe we will be able to prove what happened in this case,”- Eldon Rosenthal
Oh? The preponderance of evidence limbo -stick notwithstanding, let’s be honest, it is going to be virtually impossible to prove Kyron was removed from the state with all parties including law enforcement openly stating they have no idea where he is or how he got there.
Outside of that conviction for first degree custodial interference which certainly seems unlikely because nobody is facing such a charge to date, the prima facie reverts to finding Terri Horman liable on the other counts in civil court.
According to legal analyst Bruce McCain, who has closely been following the Kyron case, the suit will be “near impossible to prove, especially when an element of second degree custodial interference is that Terri acted with the intent to hold Kyron permanently of for a protracted period of time.”
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office has never even classified Kyron’s case as abduction and he is only listed as a missing person on the FBI’s site. Typically crimes need a crime scene, and the Skyline School has certainly never been declared one and astonishingly has not been named a party to this suit. More on that in part 2 of this series.
In summary, Desiree Young is making three allegations. She is claiming either on her own or with help, Terri kidnapped her son Kyron Horman from the Skyline School. Desiree’s own words contradict this claim as to kidnapping:
“She dropped him off that day, but that’s all we know.” – Desiree Young
Desiree is also claiming the intentional infliction of emotional distress through feigning ignorance of the events of June 4, 2010, lying to investigators and lying to the media. Not one quote, not one example is offered in support of this allegation. How can one possibly prove intentional infliction if such statements were never actually uttered to the plaintiff? How does lying to an investigator , if in fact she did, about unknown subject matter, equate to probable cause of the allegation?
What is it’s nexus directly to Desiree Young exactly? Not having the answer in place for that is going to spawn more than a few mutterings of “bad faith” at the bar meetings next month.
Tony Young has stated that as a collegial gesture, he was NOT given any information about the specifics in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance and has publicly only said “If not Terri than who?”
Peter Bunch called the suit law enforcements stalking horse. Judge Kantor seems to agree with Bunch that due to the protection of the ongoing criminal case, that participation from any law enforcement personnel will be non-existent. Rosenthal seems to be more optimistic in his deuces tecum prowess, apparently.
Bruce McCain, could not be more on point. The burden to prove the allegations against Terri Horman rest squarely on her accuser. MCSO recently participated in the filming of Americas Most Wanted, and have spoken publicly about the case on numerous occasions. They have allegedly provided information directly to Desiree Young and Kaine Horman, which is now a matter of public record.
Deposing a law enforcement officer or twenty prior to the possible future criminal filing against your client with the knowledge none of the information has gleaned an indictment to date, is the equivalent to the key to the evidence locker of the case. Will it be a game of quash for all? Certainly, and Bunch has already said so.
“I have nothing to say about Terri Horman” Captain Jason Gates, MCSO
I have never seen Terri Horman give a recorded press interview. I am aware of no statute that exists to compel anyone to be honest with a member of the media on your doorstep seeking comment. ( although I might be in favor that as a card carrier- )
The scales of lady justice require balance for a reason. Glenn Close and Rose Byrne have already concluded the final season of Damages and I dare say those producers have more manufactured story line of fake criminal cases then this very real situation could deliver for fiction-even.
If Terri Horman, through counsel, decides to file for a dismissal of the suit, or defend it in PART- as it appears Judge Kantor has already laid the groundwork for, what should we expect?
You have to respect a judge who is coaching from the bench, and he did.
Technically speaking, under Oregon law, Terri Horman was Kyron Horman’s defacto or psychological parent. The “best interest” standard is a relatively low threshold in this case. Please see review courtesy of Kramer Associates regarding “After Troxel.” (link : http://www.kramer-associates.com/mkgrandparentsrightsaftertroxel.pdfKramer Associates)
I asked Atty Lea Conner to weigh in on this possible third party parent strategy to challenge standing of Ms. Young’s suit, as well as any impeachment or award matrix issues :
“…Third party custody issues are tricky in any case. You need to refer to Troxel v, Granville – Troxel is a US Supreme Court ruling that a parent’s rights trump those of third parties.- One Oregon case cited (Wilson v. Wilson) is particularly devastating to Terri Horman. In Wilson, the court found that custody must be awarded to the mother in order to preserve a sibling relationship between the natural child of the mother and the common child (AKA “joint child”) of both parties-
The Wilson case is interesting, because potentially, a parent contemplating divorce with contested custody might want to discourage the relationship between natural child of one party in order to prevent the natural parent from gaining an advantage in obtaining custody. Could Terri Horman argue that this was Kaine’s motive in sending James to live in Roseburg in early 2010? (Kaine denies sending James away, and claims that it was Terri’s fault that he moved. James and his father in Roseburg have made statements indicating James and Kaine had ongoing conflict, which contradicts Kaine’s version of events and supports Terri Horman’s claims.)”
The Troxel case has affected laws in virtually all of the states, and has significantly reduced previously recognized rights of grandparents, step-parents and psychological parents in favor of birth parents.
Why Terri Horman may be in a position to defend her relationship with Kyron, but not as a parent per se:
5. Wilson and Wilson, 184 Or App 212 (2002), CA A113524. Custody of stepchild awarded to stepfather, along with parties’ joint child, reversed. Under Troxel, custody of the mother’s natural child must be awarded to fit birth mother and because of the sibling relationship, custody of the parties’ joint child must also be awarded to mother. [See Case Note 20 discussion below for Court of Appeals decision on remand from Supreme Court.]
Interestingly, I note that nobody brought up the fact that Desiree once accused Kaine Horman of at least the possibility that he was capable of kidnapping her sons, and was granted a restraining order based on the potential recognized by the court in a similar possible offense.
“.. our Lives are no longer private. Investigators are going to want very detailed information of our personal lives..” Tony Young, Kyron Horman’s stepfather.
What will absolutely add insult to injury in this case will be the fact that in order to indirectly defend Terri Horman, her lawyers will need to vilify Desiree young in front of a jury. They will have to remove the more than deserving, grieving and egregiously wronged Mother’s invisible halo, and they have enough to work with. There is no way around it as unfair as it seems, it is what it is.
EDIT NOTE: In August 1995 a woman with the same name as Desiree Davidson was living with a man who was a convicted felon and the target of more than a few secret indictments a few years earlier. She filed a Family Abuse Protection Complaint against him for assault and he was arrested on a separate felony charge a week later. David Roy Davis may be connected to an entirely different Desiree, but the record came through on a search under Ms. Young’s date of birth as well. The point is, their will be lots of digging on everyone.
In March of 2004, Desiree Young claimed that serious liver problems from an undisclosed, non- FDA approved medicine required her to move to Canada for treatment. She relinquished physical custody of both her sons under the guise that she would not be required to now pay child support as filed in the stipulations of the respective cases. Ms. Young maintained a Seattle, WA address at that time and the last custody order states a very different custody arrangement than what Desiree has mentioned publicly.
If she was seeing Kyron more than once a month, then it was by verbal agreement with Kaine’s approval but this is yet again an unfortunate example of impeachment possibility. The “seeking treatment “details will unfortunately be public information that she has refused to discuss. You get the idea.
Desiree has also admitted asking Kaine to consider modifying the custody arrangement and allowing Kyron to go live with her. Kaine said no and would not discuss it further, but Terri Horman was in favor of it.
Both Desiree and Kaine have conceded Kyron had a few issues of concern in school the prior part of the year, in fact they went so far as to say they were concerned their reaction to it with him might have played a part in his disappearance.
How is it that if having issues at school can be a helpful argument to a non-custodial parent seeking custody modification that nobody considered that Terri was actually working to support Desiree’s possible case?
Kaine has confirmed that they had a discussion about a doctor appointment for Kyron, so this possibility has corroboration.
For the past 2+ years Desiree Young has done everything conceivable to progress answers in the disappearance of her son and I applaud her for that. I am equally as concerned about the emotional toll this lawsuit will take on her as I have been about the effects of the loss of her son.
Catch as Catch Can
Omitted entirely in any coverage of Judge Kantor’s order and memo announcement or previous reactions to the civil filings, is the fact that if Terri Horman is or was involved in the disappearance of Kyron Horman, she is about to get a front row seat to the case against her without saying a word.
Under current criminal procedure in Oregon, once a person is indicted, the defendant receives little more than the actual indictment order. This is usually under seal until an arrest warrant is executed, but it does not contain witnesses, testimony, evidence or any hint at the content that was discussed since the grand jury began reviewing the case and the triers of fact rendered a verdict to indict the party.
In this parallel discovery minefield, arguably tantamount to a mock trial in front of a defacto suspect, the plaintiff will be forced to compel witnesses that have testified before the grand jury, any evidence they have been made aware of, and in some cases they have not, and all of this essentially erodes the sanctity of the grand jury advantage over a criminal defendant. In particular, Oregon uses the grand jury proceeding as many other states use a preliminary hearing. And btw, this is Stephen Houze’s dominion.
While Bunch’s motion for abatement indicates police will refuse to turn over documents or materials pointing to guilt or exculpation, they simply cannot assist the plaintiff without assisting the defense as the discovery is reciprocal across the board. That said, I would expect District Attorney Rod Underhill to seek protection orders against releasing any information classified as part of the case file of an active criminal investigation.
How will that work if the majority of information is clearly being conveyed in an ad hoc method of “you can refer to it in your filings but we will not produce it for your use at a civil trial?”
The reality is that if Terri Horman is involved in the disappearance of Kyron Horman in any capacity this suit as it is structured in the instant matter will do more to assist her defense team than it will ever produce incriminating and usable intelligence to indict her.
It will not provide any detail as to Ky’s whereabouts that MCSO does not already know.
I can hear the protagonists in my ear already- but the scope of criminal subpoena power and reach is intensely more narrow than that of the civil standard so won’t this be an opportunity to glean information LE did not have access to?
Who in their right mind believes that nine multi-disciplined Federal and State Law Enforcement Agencies including those tasked with measures and responsibility of our National Security did not or do not have access to every shred of data a civil order can produce?
The Honorable Judge Kantor requested a position by the District Attorney and invited Underhill to attend the hearing, whereby DA Underhill stated he had no position on the matter.
Kantor is allowing the case to move forward absent an indictment or an official position from the DA, but I predict that is a temporary decision. The DA and MCSO is absolutely going to have a position when the motions to compel discovery arrive by the wheelbarrow followed closely by the freightliner full of FOIA requests. Once it is released for a civil trial it is releasable to the public.
What- No Joinder?
Lastly, as Kyron’s Father, it is odd that Kaine Horman would not be a party to this action. If the goal was a behind the scenes tag team to exhaust the funds of Terri Horman over simultaneous cases I sincerely hope that a considerable amount of time was spent on the possibility that they may be waking the sleeping giant. Desiree Young has an online donation site soliciting funds for her legal fees which injury cases are usually taken on a contingency basis and Kaine Horman has everything to gain by not dividing his assets with his estranged wife in November, when the abatement is lifted.
The fact that a recently retired Civil Attorney who has international homes is willing to come out of retirement to take this case would make me very nervous. Mark H. Wagner signed on yesterday.
If Terri Horman has nothing to hide as it relates to Kyron’s disappearance, this is her one shot to get her life back and clear her name.
The public pendulum will never be swinging so slowly to hear from her why it should stop- as it is right now.
If she was involved, in any way, this civil case is going to unearth the unintentional mistakes and snafus of the well meaning mean and women in law enforcement who have worked this case. It will render it nearly impossible to ever prosecute her successfully whether Kyron is ever located or not. This legal team will have at least 3 plausible alternative suspects, have the jury blaming law enforcement and believing Kyron is alive somewhere and may be better off.
Don’t shoot the messenger.
It may give a grief-stricken Mother a $10 Million judgment she can never collect, but as Peter Bunch said in his argument, it will not give her the answers she seeks.
I terrified my interrogation subjects, but I never got intelligence.
Astute. True. Maddening for all that are interested in this case but of course begs the question-
If tortboarding will not work, at some point, does it make sense to start over with a fresh perspective of elimination versus inclusion?
Terri Horman was the immediate suspect in a disappearance and an alleged murder for hire plot where there are gads of comments and facebook images of a happy family and very alive target- Kaine Horman.
When confronted by her alleged accomplice, Rodolpho “Rudy” Sanchez directly in a failed sting rivaling RENO 911- she actually called 911.
The sting was heard by more than a few scanner enthusiasts, as reported exclusively by BOC(insert link)
Why was it decided Terri Horman was the mariticidic filicide in a flash?
And why were all other avenues excluded almost as quickly as Jung opened the window for the scarab?
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@Rose says:
October 18, 2012 at 10:23 am
“If the chaperone said “there’s only 5″ wrt Kyron missing, that means the chaperone of any age began with 6.
which imo is negligent in a classroom of 6-7 yos on its face.’”
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I don’t understand why DY/KH haven’t file a civil suit against the school. As another poster mentioned what if Ky took the bus on June 4th, walked into school and poof, disappeared. This case drives me nuts sometimes.
I remember this, and all I could find was HollysGmom reference. Take it fwiw, but what if the Porter – TH conversation (dr appt v looking at projects) was in the gym. Would like to know what was in the gym, for sure. If the projects of the older kids were in there, then did they disassemble in time for the talent show? Or, were non-student projects on display in the gym?
Posted by RandomDood
June 06, 2010, 9:16AM
Here are some facts that wont make the news, from someone who has heard everything, here are some facts.
-The step mom saw the teacher, is a crowded and loud gym, to inform her that Kyron had an appointment. Thats all that was said. Thats why when the teacher saw Kyron wasn’t in class she thought nothing of it.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qPrl-VrewHMJ:www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html+details+emerge&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari&source=www.google.com
I have been watching the news conf
On our missing Whitney Heichel
They are going compare it to the Kyron case
On channel 8 KGW on the 6:00 news
Even if you are not local I hope you are checking
Out what is going on here
@Sunshine. once every month or 2 I look at Missing Kyron FB & I also saw the recent direction to gofundme, so I cruised there too & saw the same notice you posted. I had to ask what was the trigger, because Kelly’d written little lately. Was it 1) Kyron hates to be without his glasses? (No, a biggie from Desiree early on.) Or, 2) Kyron loves honey? No, innocuous. Imo the trigger was the 3rd post back commending Stacey Green, “Kyron’s Worldwide Warriors,” and an Admin from “Missing Kyron FB, Beth, as an event collaborator with Stacey & WWW, imo. This post tied together a blatant persecutor of TMH in Roseburg with a Missing Kyron FB Admin, which plaintiff’s attorney would not want imo. Imo the civil attorney may worry that behind the scenes litigation fundraising interest groups’ linkages could be made an avenue in depositions.
@Malty
I’m following the story…another “who dunnit”.
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FWIW, my son is Kyrons age and attends a very samll school, nursery – fifth. He and his friends do know the names of the youngest. They take pride in helping the little ones, they are older & wiser, 5th graders you know. I would not find it odd that an 8th grader would know Kyrons name IF the chaperone was a student. Our school also has a talent show at the end of the year that parents can go too, most do not. IMO it is not about a “talent” its a first attempt at being in front of a crowd (public speaking for tots) and more than a friendship or two has been formed because “I never knew so and so was interested in…..”
The MFH plot has never been — by LE — discussed past the sting.
It’s a huge fat awful Ick crime, and has all by itself been the topic of other crime sagas in national media. Unless it’s planned by The Mob — I wistfully go back to my childhood in New Jersey and all the rumors about The Great Swamp, lol — it can be a dark comedy of amateurs.
So, rather than go off once again on what-ifs about Kryon’s case and the MFH link to it, let’s play What Did KH Do To P*ss TH Off THAT Much.
You are a “homemaker.” You live in a nice house in a pretty wooded area. You have 2 kids and then 3 kids. Snazzy car! Gym membership. Social life? And you apparently gussie up the house for holidays quite a bit. You have some disposable cash flow. Your hubby makes a good living. You have taken some pretty nifty trips.
So….why do you want to have someone whack the hubby?
I have always suspected that KH doesn’t like women very much, puts them into his own tightly wound little caricatures on motherhood and household duties, and is in general a sexist control freak. But, I know men and woman like that, and yes, while they drive other people crazy, no one among them has recently hired a landscaper to off the spouse. Instead, we get high drama in divorces in my state, which, until 2010, did not have a “no-fault” thingy.
So what would TH think in terms of what she would lose by just dumping KH, and dealing with the fallout of a divorce from him, versus hiring some shmuck to shoot him?
Allow me to speculate while sipping an excellent local micro-brewery, er, product.
Let’s say that since KH gives his wife a car but keeps it in his name, and has the house in his name, that TH has looked into Oregon law to determine what she would go through in a divorce considering that — in her train of thought — the bastard is going to “get everything including my child.”
Well, no. That doesn’t make sense. Oregon would not just automatically give EVERYTHING, including Kiara, exclusively to KH and leave TH begging for instant oatmeal on a street corner. Not unless he could prove that TH was selling national security secrets to an ex-Stasi agent named Eberhardt.
So, what does make sense? Why oh why would TH want her husband not just out of her hair, but dead?
@NelMel. What fits is unresolved PPD psychotic thinking.
Also, she witnessed Desiree left in the dust w/o custody & a nonnegotiating ex.
Desiree alluded he sleeps around and treated both ladies badly.
LOL – The Great Swamp ….
(Speculations, in no particular order…)
1. KH is lured away from DY, swears he will be ever true to the Luree, TMH.
2. After swearing he will be ever true, oops, he finds she broke the promise, got pregnant. tsk, tsk, now your whatever is mud, TMH.
3. KH refuses to share all of the marriage ‘goodies’ – house, cars, insurance, yet demands she never ever get pregnant.
4. But Luree is sure she can capture The Magic, so both head for the couples clubs (or whatever they are called), and the gyms – occasionally running into “more interesting” personalities, at either place.
5. Ooops. Luree is in trouble again. Eating too many bon bons. Fluffing out in all the wrong places. Steroids aren’t working any longer. Maybe it’s all HIS fault.
6. Luree starts to get a little miffed, finds she is the ‘baby-sitter’ for KH’s child, doesn’t get to have so much fun any more. She does NOT like being controlled.
7.THEN Luree finds out that KH has been fooling around, being “lured” by other females (well, what did she expect anyway?). Maybe he’s serious about somebody. Maybe she will lose her meal ticket.
8. She knows she won’t get the little red car; the only thing about it in her name is the license plate.
9. Frustrated and more frustrated, she vents to all and sundry. She probably doesn’t mean anything, but a SZ who traffics kidlets may have heard about her gripes and complaints, maybe decides to ‘help her out’ and himself, too. She may not have realized that she opened a door to a Real Baddie.
10. Of course, now all are in a pickle and KH has lost control and TMH has lost everything else.
NelMel, I was speculating, too.
I don’t think she wanted him DEAD as in “REALLY Dead”, just vented to the wrong person.
If she REALLY wanted to whack him, it was probably because he was a Major Control Freak and she just couldn’t stand it any more.
…and now (since I’m all over the place with thoughts and ideas) will also go and check out any of the local libations, –er, products. PRODUCTS.
@NelMel says: October 18, 2012 at 10:25 pm
let’s play What Did KH Do To P*ss TH Off THAT Much.
Please let me say again for the record – I did, do, and will continue to hold the school, as well as the district, responsible for not following their own policies to keep students safe. Nevertheless, if I had been telling people I had a child who was prone to staring into space, forgetting things, and wandering off – so much so that he needed to see a doctor – and I also wrote that there had to be 300 people there and it was disorganized and hectic, AND I had left the room to walk around with him before 8:45 which was the official start of the day (other times were for buses arriving and for planned activities), I believe I would feel some responsibility for making sure he got back to his classroom and that the teacher was in it.
I have a first grade grandson who is quite capable but with some autism spectrum disorder issues. I would no more think of letting him walk to a room in his school alone than I would let him drive my car. He might not go with a stranger, but he’d get distracted by every gadget, wheel, handle, or anything else mechanical that he passed and who knows when he would get there. NOT saying the school isn’t legally 100% accountable because I think they are. But IMO, Terri, as her activities have been described, didn’t follow through as she should either – and, yes, she’s human and many of us would have done the same thing at times. I think it’s a strong reminder to all of us that schools and parents must be partners in caring for kids.
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vw says:
October 18, 2012 at 4:47 pm
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Remember that TMH said they had learned when they got to the school that Kyron was seen with a “chaperone”… but male, and that there were no males on the list?
The email said TMH thought there were 300 or so in the hall? When she left? Could have been even more when the touring was full force, between 9 and 9:45 or so, if more parents dropped by and all the kids and staff were out and about.
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@vw – I have seen a reference to Terri emailing that Kyron was seen with a “man chaperone”, but not anything about when she said she was told that or by whom. I wonder if she was told that by a friend or by LE. I doubt she heard that on June 4th when they got to school. Could Gina Zimmerman have told her that when she went to the Horman house on June 4th? Or might LE have told her that a bit later to see how she would respond. In any case, I don’t remember anyone else saying that or agreeing to it. Anyone else remember?
Also – I think the number of parents decreased during the morning except for those volunteering. Many would have had to go to work (I thought that was the point of opening the building early) and the kids had a structured activity from 9 to 10. The person who seems to have done the most talking over the longest period of time, Gina Zimmerman, was said to have gotten there at 8:15. She would have had an idea how busy the parking lot and building were at that time.
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Zimmerman told the newspaper that most of the parents and students of the K-8 school, which has about 300 students, arrived at the school shortly after 8 a.m. Friday for the end-of-year science fair.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/Media/kyron-horman-missing-disappeared-elementary-school/story?id=10836677 June 5th, 2010
@Mbs, If it helps, I know you have thought that way about the school, and I considered our exchange to be explorative. If we look at this thing from the perspective of a SZ abduction, and giving all known characters the benefit of the doubt, then the most logical explaination to me is that NO ONE, not Porter, not Keefer, not Zimmerman, and not even TH thought a child predator would be at the science fair.
Everyone shuffled through what should have been a normal day, with no thought to an extreme situation about to occur. What was subsequently said, and done, presented themselves in the best possible light, the school, the family, the cops. We can’t objectively look at TH’s inconsistancies without looking at KH’s, or the inconsistancies of the school, or the cops.
The problem, and IMO, the lesson, is this can and does happen to little friendly schools, with nice people, who have talent contests and auctions. Unless there is an almost immediate resolve, people start looking sideways at the family (Jaycee Dugard). It happens to dysfunctional step families, biblically committed families (Elizabeth Smart), rich families (Jon Benet), city kids, county kids, any kid, any school, any store, any street, any time.
@mbs
Regarding when TMH was told by someone that Kyron was seen by a chaperone.
Could Gina Zimmerman have told her that when she went to the Horman house on June 4th? Or might LE h
ave told her that a bit later to see how she would respond. In any case, I don’t remember anyone else saying that or agreeing to it. Anyone else remember?
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No. I think she and Kaine were told that by the secretary, Porter, or whomever was available when they got to the school about 4pm on 6/4/2010.
Noone has admitted divulging any information that the potentially extremely distressed parents wanting information that day….the moment that they went to the school and the school and asked why Kyron was not there.
THINKING ABOUT IT….2 years later::::::
Kaine says that that he chatted with Kyron that morning. That Kyron was excited.
Now he says, according to JV…that Kyron was “anxious” that morning. Why the change?
TMH says that they found out Kyron had been with a chaperone, and that the chaperone was a male.
Now LE states TMH was the last to see him, i.e. is the proxy of the “chaperone”…but no time is given, anymore.
Why doesn’t Kaine, or DY, insist on data?
That….to me…is the key. What do they have that negates all the early sightings, all the early testimonies, and all the early discrepencies.
Why, in other words, do they not consider the descrepenicies?
If my child had come up missing from a school, I would, first, consider what the school had done to safequard my child.
Or not.
vw/marge
Regarding the facebook post by Terri in the beginning about Kyron being seen with a male chaperone and 2 girls. From what I gathered at the time the information came on June 4 after the auto calls went out to parents of the students and was based on calls that came in after parents talked to their children.
Now the reason I believe LE focused on Terri is because 90% of missing children are at the hands of a parent or caregiver and the last family member to see the child and it escalated to not being able to verify Terri’s whereabouts for 1.5 hours and what was actually purchased at the Fred Meyer’s which is not just child cold medicine. (can’t physically verify so won’t post what it was). Given that it still does not give me proof that it was intended for Kyron but for a woman that has a problem.
Absolutely nothing else leads me to believe Terri is responsible. I don’t believe the MFH since she would already be in jail. I don’t believe she had extreme hatred for Kyron (just a mother who was frustrated and words twisted), I don’t believe Terri was psychotic enough to hurt a child by a plan (women that hurt children almost always is a instant reaction and not a planned event)
Facts: Kaine was having an affair before Kyron’s disappearance, Kaine began sleeping with a volunteer at the home less than 1 week after Terri moved out. Kaine changes his story numerous times regarding the appointment/Kyron spacing out, why James left, Terri first was a good mother than she was a bad mother, etc, etc. But I don’t believe Kaine did anything to hurt his son but is not a model husband or father either.
So, I think Kyron was not specifically targeted for anything to do with his parents/caregivers. I think he was taken by opportunity.
There is someone out there that took Kyron and my suspect list is:
Dave Stensen
Dave Durham
The man at the court in blue shirt (unidentified)
@ mas. TY for your opinions. I thought the blue suit man at Court looked like Cruz; he’s not
blogged since Aug 2. Maybe got the same request re online matter Kelly did.
OT: Seated (!) after a 2 hr line for O.
I feel like I’m running similar circles in this maze of “What Happened to Kyron?” Reflecting on the controlling-KH — thinking did he possibly deal w Ky himself—aided/ abetted by a gym-rat connection, managing an end-run around anything TMH could hope for in custody or possessions, & did she one up him with Houze & silence? I keep thinking back to her dad saying the “50-50″ remark, I implied from that statement— it’s either KH or TMH— all moo, of course.
On another note— I keep finding it interesting how many here are/ have been teachers — I wonder — are we drawn to this case because this is a scenario we feared happening on our watch? How many in services have we sat through covering our/ school liabilities/ responsibilities regarding the precious ones who walked the halls?! Parents send their best & depend on schools to do their best. And — that whole telephone data issue is crazy! We were always informed there was a backed up log of calls to & from as we’ll as emails. This is a smaller district than PPS, but everything was from District Office. Whoever heard of a data dump during an active investigation?!
Ok. Back to scroll n roll.
@MockingbirdSings says:
October 19, 2012 at 12:30 am
(snipped) “Please let me say again for the record – I did, do, and will continue to hold the school, as well as the district, responsible for not following their own policies to keep students safe. Nevertheless, if I had been telling people I had a child who was prone to staring into space, forgetting things, and wandering off – so much so that he needed to see a doctor – and I also wrote that there had to be 300 people there and it was disorganized and hectic, AND I had left the room to walk around with him before 8:45 which was the official start of the day (other times were for buses arriving and for planned activities), I believe I would feel some responsibility for making sure he got back to his classroom and that the teacher was in it.”
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I absolutely agree with you. I felt this way from the get-go.
Based on everything we’ve been posting here, this could have happened:
Terri leaves Kyron in the hallway; he goes to his classroom. Ms. Porter is either not in the classroom when he arrives, or she is too busy to notice. Kids are divided into small groups of six. Kyron leaves with his group, led by a female (described by TP as a substitute.) At some point, Kyron’s group passes TP’s group (as TP’s group is heading downstairs). Kyron, also in his group, quickly says to TP “I’m going to go see the cool electric one.” Tanner’s group heads downstairs and TP never see’s Kyron again. Kyron’s group goes into the gym (or wherever) to see other exhibits. While they are looking around, someone (a male) calls Kyron over to him. A witness briefly sees Kyron talking with the male but thinks he is a “male chaperone”) Kyron’s small group continues to look at exhibits in the busy gym (or wherever) and then returns to their classroom. At that point, the female “substitute” says, “Oh no! There is only five!” Ms. Porter then says, “Calm down, calm down, he is probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water.” Therefore, the “substitute” leaves.
LE gave TP strict instructions not to talk, but he did anyway, publically. I am sure LE gave others (who chose to obey) the same instructions. Any number of other people could have seen Kyron and/or Terri that morning, but until more information comes out, we just can’t be sure about anything.
@January says:
October 19, 2012 at 12:05 pm
I think that’s a workable scenario. Except it still lives Porter hanging out there…..if she KNEW Kyron had an appointment why did she say he was in the bathroom or getting a drink. There is something so fishy about the school’s report vs. Tanner’s.
Question for you all, do you think the truck sighting by Jim Kelly had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance or was it just a red herring?
I keep thinking that if it did, then Kyron was taken by someone local who owns a white pick up and, sadly, Kyron was deceased by that afternoon. If it had nothing to do with Kyron’s case, well then carry on.
@Malty
OT
http://www.kgw.com/news/Missing-Gresham-womans-SUV-found-in-Wood-Village-174492781.html
There is a break in this case. They recovered her cell phone.
Here’s the link Malty wanted to post:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/whitney-heichel-police-search-wooded-area-missing-oregon/story?id=17505121 (snipped, more @ link & a video)
Investigators searched the park in Clackamas County and also Larch Mountain Wednesday in connection to the disappearance of Whitney Heichel, 21. She was last seen Tuesday when she kissed her husband goodbye and left for work at Starbucks, a five-minute drive from her home.
Gresham police have called Heichel’s disappearance “suspicious” and fear they are in a race against time to find her.
@Malty, not sure if this case has any similarities to Kyron, but here’s another video, where the husband, Clint Heichel, appears to break down? He kind of smiles first though, weird. (JMO, but this guy gives me the Scott Peterson heebie jeebies. I hope I’m wrong.)
http://www.kptv.com/story/19838032/gresham-woman-missing-police-consider-it-suspicious
@January.
ITA. Going up the down staircase. All of Porter’s groups would not necessarily have the same itinerary.
Also, fits with that back gym door not being locked, and opening to that inner parking lot that wouldn’t be seen from the main office area where the secretary, principal, etc are stationed.
@Truth. I don’t this Ms.Porter did know Kyron had an appointment. PPS didn’t even confirm a 10am official absence mark until the next Wednesday. About that time it was let out that she “thought” TMH had told here he was going to an appointment. Could be that TMH was beginning to “show” as the Prime Suspect (she’d already taken the first poly) early that first week, and LE was beginning to talk to Skyline personnel with that suspicion, at the least, as a subtext in re-interviewing the major cast?
@ T.Ruth October 19 at 1:33pm
OT, yes but I note on the video you posted at 1:27… Yes, he smiles and laughs first, pointing almost in a reprimanding manner at someone (who? ) and then “breaks down”.
I think this is important to the Kyron case to remind us of how quickly someone can go from one extreme emotion to the complete opposite. Within seconds.
mas says:
October 19, 2012 at 9:32 am
Facts: Kaine was having an affair before Kyron’s disappearance, Kaine began sleeping with a volunteer at the home less than 1 week after Terri moved out.
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@mas and Blink – do we know these 2 statements to be fact – and if so, do we know the names of those 2 people (same or different)?
I am really thinking there is some sicko here in our area
Who gets off on massive searches and press conf
This Whitney has a child-like face and lots of
Smiles
My thoughts as I watch all this
I think of Kyron
So I wonder
T. Ruth says: October 19, 2012 at 1:03 pm
For some reason I believe Tanner. He spoke the day after Kyron went missing. Porter had a bunch going on and likely wasn’t focusing on just Kyron. IMO (with the info we have available) Porter kinda/sorta remembered something about a doctor’s appointment and assumed Kyron left with Terri when he didn’t return from the bathroom. A follow-up call by Porter to the office or Terri was in order either way!
Hmmm, Jim Kelly. If a random SO took Kyron I would say it was just a red herring because IMO a SO would have been long gone… However, if Terri had something to do with it, then I’d say it’s connected.
Come on civil suit bring us some more info! We are all going around and around afraid to leave because we don’t want to let Kyron go.
To everyone who is thinking about accountability on the part of the school – I probably haven’t been totally clear about my thinking. Having been on emergency teams and emergency prep teams for years and worked in a school with multiple incidents (arsonist, shooter, fights, lock downs, and more), I’m telling you every school needs to know who is within its walls to the extent it possibly can. For example, we had teachers who would see no reason to take their gradebooks outside and take roll for their class after exiting in a fire drill. Do you really want firefighters to risk their lives trying to find students who are not in the building?!
It doesn’t matter (in this respect) whether the problem is a predator, a tornado, a fire, an earthquake, a broken water main, mace, or anything else – a school should never relax its requirement for people to sign in and out, whether visitors, staff, or parents and students. That does not mean everyone will follow the policies, but the expectation should be clear and consistent. (We included all workmen who were in the building for any reason, but not deliverymen such as UPS who came and went in sight of the office.)
Sorry to draw this out so long.
I don’t think a comment like this progresses the case or helps find Kyron. I don’t even think saying something like this about TH is helpful, and I personally believe she had a part in his disappearence. Kyron’s classmate TP could be mistaken/confused.
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T. Ruth says:
October 18, 2012 at 1:15 pm
snipped
….If Porter knew about the doctor appointment as she claims, why on earth would her head be so far up her xxxxx that she told the chaperone to calm down he’s probably in the bathroom or getting water? IDK makes no sense to me.
Well to T. Ruth’s point- she is right. Porter did not say “he had a Dr. appt.”
B
Another thing is Whitney’s FB page has loads of happy pics
Just stuff that reminds me of Kyron
Not sure about Porter not saying anything about the Dr.
KimH said her son told her (after she received the auto-call) that he already knew Kyron was gone all day and that the teacher said Kyron had a doctor’s appointment.
Seeing that Kyron, TannP and KurtH are all in the same classroom, TannP could have been out of earshot ’cause he never mentioned (at least to the media) that he knew/heard Kyron had a Dr.’s appointment.
I am not sure I ever heard anything about Kurtis saying that, and as I recall, Kurtis was bowling with Ky the weekend before, and standing next to him and his project the morning of the science fair, so for anyone to suggest he thought Ky would be “out all day” would seem to belie those facts.
I would also note that Ms. Holm holds zero credibility with me whatsoever, and that is being intentionally generous. I do not believe the subject of the dr appt was ever said to any of the kids in the class and only surfaces when Porter was explaining why she would think he would forget his coat and bookbag. Not saying that she intentionally became defensive, it is not uncommon for people in the midst of such a crisis to experience this
B
B
RE: Heichel case:
Wow, now this is interesting:
http://www.kgw.com/news/Missing-Gresham-womans-SUV-found-in-Wood-Village-174492781.html
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A family friend also told KGW that several transactions were made on Heichel’s debit card, including at ATM machines and three different gas stations.
They said that gas station attendants at one of those locations — a truck stop in Troutdale – remembered seeing her SUV and said Heichel was sitting in the passenger seat with a man driving. They said the man was acting suspicious and hurried, buying only a small amount if gas.
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For those who aren’t familiar with Oregon, you can’t pump your own gas here, we still have attendants.
Have we determined if Ky had a Drs. appointment for Friday, June 11, 2010? If it’s been confirmed Terri did schedule the appointment for June 11 then TH was telling the truth.
http://www.kval.com/news/99026909.html
@Malty says:
October 19, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Another thing is Whitney’s FB page has loads of happy pics
Just stuff that reminds me of Kyron
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Look at the timeline. Any reason hubby waited three hours before reporting her missing.
@margie/vw. Thanks for the reminder LE interviewed staff week 1 likely through a suspicious lens of Terri already. How fast did they find Rudy? I thought Terri pointed to him right away. But can we pin down staff interviews were after Poly 1? What day was it again (tired today). I believe Blink said LE indicated suspicion of Terri to the interviewees in two she’s aware of.
Blink says:
“I am not sure I ever heard anything about Kurtis saying that, and as I recall, Kurtis was bowling with Ky the weekend before, and standing next to him and his project the morning of the science fair, so for anyone to suggest he thought Ky would be “out all day” would seem to belie those facts.”
Sorry, Blink, if I wasn’t clear.
Once KimH got the auto-call at-home/after-school saying Kyron was missing, her son then told her Yeah, I already knew he was gone all day . . . meaning he had spent the entire day at school and had not seen Kyron since some time that morning – - – not that he “thought” Kyron “would be” gone all day.
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Blink says:
“I do not believe the subject of the dr appt was ever said to any of the kids in the class and only surfaces when Porter was explaining why she would think he would forget his coat and bookbag.”
Oh? I had not heard that before . . .
Got it, so we agree the subject of a Dr. appt as relayed by Ms. Porter was never mentioned by Kurtis?
B
So I went back and tried to read some stuff about her, but didn’t really find anything interesting.
@wpg says:October 19, 2012 at 4:45 pm
NI would also note that Ms. Holm holds zero credibility with me whatsoever, and that is being intentionally generous.
B
Panda says:
October 19, 2012 at 2:43 pm
I don’t think a comment like this progresses the case or helps find Kyron. I don’t even think saying something like this about TH is helpful, and I personally believe she had a part in his disappearence. Kyron’s classmate TP could be mistaken/confused.
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T. Ruth says:
October 18, 2012 at 1:15 pm
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….If Porter knew about the doctor appointment as she claims, why on earth would her head be so far up her xxxxx that she told the chaperone to calm down he’s probably in the bathroom or getting water? IDK makes no sense to me.
Well to T. Ruth’s point- she is right. Porter did not say “he had a Dr. appt.”
B
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Yes, and TY Blink, that is my point exactly. IF Tanner’s recollection of that conversation is accurate, then by golly, why would Porter say either of those things (bathroom/drink) if she already knew Kyron had a doctor appointment? Makes no freakin’ sense at all.
So let’s say Tanner made it all up, or at the very least some of it. Why would a 7/8 year old child use the words when recanting that she told the “substitute” to “calm down”…? Tanner was describing the *moment*. IMO a very hectic moment.
JMO, but the sub/chap was at the very least anxious about something. That’s just my opinion, but I’m stickin’ to it until I hear contrary testimony. Like I said, let the depositions began. I’m here for the truth and to find out what happened to Kyron so it hopefully will never happen again to another child.
JMO, but there are a whole lot of misconceptions, twisted facts, inconsistencies, or downright lies surrounding this case. That needs to stop. IMO when that happens, we, everyone, just might find out what happened to Kyron. AMOOO
July 21, 2010 Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron’s doctor appointment date
According to sources, investigators believe Terri Horman was vague about which Friday she was referring to when she gave notice to the school Kyron would be gone and only after he was missing did she clarify that the doctor’s appointment was on June 11, the Friday after the science fair.
Portland Public Schools spokesperson Matt Shelby told KATU News, “Two teachers were the last school staff to see Kyron at Skyline. His own teacher and another teacher saw him inside the school with his stepmother, and there didn’t appear to be anything out of the ordinary.”
Kim Holm’s son, Kurtis, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too.
“And the teacher said, ‘I thought he left with his mom,’ because they thought they had a doctor appointment,” Holm said. “And then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him every day, he wasn’t there at lunchtime. And then I got a call at 4:30ish, saying he didn’t get off the bus, I guess. And Kurtis said, ‘Oh yeah, I knew he was already gone all day Mom.’”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html
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Make of it what you will, it’s all sort of vague until we get to the actual conversations of who said what, when. This to me, sounds like Holm actually talked to the teacher(s) “they thought”. If it were just relating upon what she had heard from her son, wouldn’t it more like, “Kurtis (or he) told me the teacher said……”.
And who the heck is “THEY”? Why haven’t we ever heard who this other teacher is, who, along with Porter, “thought” Kyron had a doctor appointment that day? And why would any other teacher know about Kyron’s absence?
Whitney Heichel case. Her body has been located and an arrest has been made.
http://www.kgw.com/news
They just found the body of Wendy in the forests on the east side of Portland.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Police-make-arrest-in-murder-of-Whitney-Heichel/ti7uS0cca0KHPiwL5dLGmA.cspx
The reason I’m writing this is because they invested so much manpower and found her within a week.
So I’m hopeful – since as much or more resources were used to look for Kyron without him being found – that he might still be alive somewhere. I just don’t think bodies can be disappeared forever.
Keeping hope for better days for Kyron and family
oops – Whitney
http://www.kgw.com/news/Missing-Gresham-womans-SUV-found-in-Wood-Village-174492781.html
updated story – snipped:
GRESHAM, Ore. — Gresham police announced late Friday that they had found the body of Whitney Heichel on Larch Mountain, and they had arrested Jonathan Holt of Gresham in her murder.
Police say Holt was an acquaintance who lived in the same apartment complex. Holt was arrested after being interviewed several times by police. Holt is 24 years old. Police did not specify a motive in the murder.
Police searched at Larch Mountain for a third day Friday. The vehicle Heichel was driving had a missing license plate when it was located at a Wood Village Walmart. That license place was found at Larch Mountain, and that clue is what led police to search the area where her body was ultimately found.
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This case was blessed with lots of clues. Sadly, it was too late to save her, but hopefully, this man will not be free to hurt anyone else.
If you follow the story, you’ll see her SUV was found by family and friends distributing fliers and her cell phone was found later by kids playing around some blackberry bushes. It seems like the Gresham Police did a good job of connecting with the community, getting tips, calling in help from surrounding areas, even getting the guy’s fingerprints and DNA sample in the investigation.
I do so much wish there had been big, immediate clues to what happened to Kyron. I hold on to thinking that even though the clues may be of a different kind, and well hidden, they are still there, and waiting to be found.
@Rose
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_hormans_emails_to_kyron.html
This interview with K and DY was early. In it, at the very beginning, DY and KH state that TMH”s interview was Monday…Kaine’s was Tuesday…of the first week following the abduction.
OT….very, very sad about our Gresham girl, Whitney. Such a sweet girl, and beautiful family.
Sorry, rose, “poly” not “interview”. *still in shock and so sad about Whitney* But glad that no family was involved.
Late tonight the Whitney case ended
Sorry but any missing person case touches me
And being so close to home is the worst
Now back to Kyron
And our commitment to him
T. Ruth says:
October 19, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Make of it what you will, it’s all sort of vague until we get to the actual conversations of who said what, when. This to me, sounds like Holm actually talked to the teacher(s) “they thought”. If it were just relating upon what she had heard from her son, wouldn’t it more like, “Kurtis (or he) told me the teacher said……”.
And who the heck is “THEY”? Why haven’t we ever heard who this other teacher is, who, along with Porter, “thought” Kyron had a doctor appointment that day? And why would any other teacher know about Kyron’s absence?
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Just IMO As far as word smithing anything Kim Holm said about June 4 and who knew about the doctor appt I think we need to take into account that Kims report of what she heard and what she says about it could be colored by a number of things. I don’t think I would try to analyze her choice of words to add anything new to her meaning. I think the general meaning of what she says is that Kurtis told her that he heard from someone at the school that Kyron was not in attendance because of a doctors appt.
The OLive adticle today attributes the locating of Heichel and prior to that many objects pointing to the perp to publically organized, church based search groups. Gresham LE accepted public search contributions.
Within the last 6 months, a name surfaced posting on BKH FB as manager of volunteers, Jennifer.
I wondered if Cindi Massei remained involved.
She managed the Wall of Hope from the beginning:
http://www.kval.com/news/local/121719984.html?m=y&smobile=y&gallery=y&img=3
She managed the awareness items from the beginning:
http://www.oregonlive.com/north-of-26/index.ssf/2010/12/breakfast_with_santa_keeps_kyron_at_forefront.html?mobRedir=false
Also was the event organizer posting notices of events on sites like Missing Kyron:
http://www.kptv.com/story/14823050/event-honors-kyron-horman-supporters-4-23-2011?clienttype=printable
In reviewing the BKH FB, it seems event notices are now posted by Admin with event organizers names absent. In looking at Ebay, ditto, now no individuals’ names. However the site sales are now part of some “giving” thing, so there is a link on the ebay page to this:
http://www.thekhf.org/about-the-foundation
This is A Kyron Horman Foundation page I had been unaware of to date. Read the mission statement. Maybe my perceptual skills are worn out today, but I see no mention of finding Kyron himself.
And I don’t view the Horman family as successful at any of tge 3 stated goals (my opinion only) during the first montgs of Kyron’s abduction.
Anyway, anyone know if Massei remains on Kaine’s volunteer leadership team?
And, btw, when family members gave interviews re Terri in the summer of ’10 to Pitkin et al (Tarver, Ecker, Moulton) I recall nary an interview peep heard from R Neil & Kristi or Melvin.