Kyron Horman Disappearance Series Part I: Desiree Young V Terri Horman- Civil As An Oxymoron
Civil As An Oxymoron
Desiree Young, Kyron’s biological mother and arguably the bravest soul in recent memory as far as the frantic and grieving mom’s of missing children’s set is concerned, believes her youngest son has been kidnapped by Terri Horman.
Or that she arranged for same by some unknown party and is demanding his location or the location of his remains.
Her recent civil suit filed by Eldon Rosenthal makes these direct allegations against the woman that by her own admission, she entrusted with the care of her toddler son in 2003.
Her suit is demanding $10 million dollars with a reservation to amend to include punitive damages later. The complaint is 5 pages long, or apparently $2million a page.
Last month a ruling by Judge Harry Kantor denying an abatement motion will allow the suit to proceed, for now.
The decision was widely seen as a win for Desiree Young in her tenacious quest to seek answers in the disappearance of her son Kyron from The Skyline School on June 4th, 2010. Headlines throughout the region and the evening talking head regulars praised the Judge’s decision for the Mom who has had no previous success in very public campaigns to engage Terri Horman’s cooperation in the investigation.
The legal community however, not so much. The decision to move the case forward relied largely on the fact that although it was patently clear from Ms. Young’s filing and subsequent public commentary by her and counsel Eldon Rosenthal that she alleges Horman has committed criminal acts resulting in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
Terri Horman has neither been declared a suspect by police nor has she been indicted by a grand jury who continues to meet on the case.
Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father, learned about the suit filed by his former wife by a member of the media seeking comment on his reaction to it. He has not been made a party to the civil action although he was awarded primary physical custody of the couple’s son in March, 2004.
I count myself with the thousands that want this aggrieved Mother and Father to locate their child regardless of the outcome.
That said, it is ridiculous to think a woman whose criminal attorney has advised her not to respond to a twice- renewed restraining order precluding her from seeing her now 3 year old daughter is going to utter a syllable outside of assertion of her 5th amendment rights during any deposition she is compelled to participate in.
On June 4, 2010, Terri Horman, acting alone or in concert with others, intentionally kidnapped Kyron Horman from ; Skyline Elementary School. Kyron has not been seen or heard from by either of his parents since prior to Terri Horman taking Kyron to school that morning.
Did Not Miss The Memo
The Honorable Harry Kantor penned an accompanying order memorandum to his ruling following oral arguments on August 18th, It is worthy of the Honorable Belvin Perry’s stamp of approval- with the exception of course that is does not contain the phrase, “no earthly idea.”
It did however; contain the first ever direct statement that Terri Horman is a suspect in the investigation, a PRIME suspect, no less. In pertinent part:
“..The focus of the defendant’s motion is to stop the prosecution of this civil case while an ongoing active criminal investigation into both young Kyron Horman’s disappearance in 2010 and a murder-for-hire plot against Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, is pending, so that the defendant (Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and Kaine’s wife) is not required to decide whether to exercise her constitutional rights against self-incrimination under the United States and Oregon Constitutions before it is necessary to do so in any criminal prosecution which may follow the investigation. The plaintiff is Kyron ‘smother. The defendant is a prime suspect in the investigation …” (emphasis added by me)
Interestingly, Judge Kantor takes it upon himself to declare Terri Horman a prime suspect in BOTH the ongoing criminal investigations of a murder for hire plot and Kyron’s disappearance.
While it is a fair statement to say that both sides agree that Terri Horman is the subject or focus via “laser pointer” of the investigation into Kyron’s disappearance and her attorneys used that point to support abatement. At no time and in no document or filing has either side said Terri Horman was a prime suspect of anything? Where does Judge Kantor come by such information?
For his Honor to state his concern over tainting a jury pool, and then to allege, or divulge, as it were, that Terri Horman is a prime suspect in a murder for hire plot in an ongoing criminal investigation- is he privy to such information from some alternative source that is not contained on the record?
A request for any exparte information should be forthcoming. Where is the conversation with District Attorney Rod Underhill or his office read into the record? It has not been.
Lea Conner, Washington Family Attorney and BOC legal analyst sees Judge Kantor’s take differently:
“…The judge is not referring exclusively to the Desiree Young lawsuit.
Kaine Horman claimed in his TRO petition that law enforcement provided him with probable cause to believe that Terri Horman had attempted to hire someone to kill him.
He again made the same claim in papers filed after the TRO petition (specifically alleging that Terri was sexting the landscaper who she wanted to murder him, then allegedly sexted Michael Cook).
Kaine reiterated his allegations a third time in papers he filed last fall in response to Terri Horman’s motion for parenting time.
Kaine once again claimed Terri Horman tried to hire a hit man when he sought to renew the restraining order in 2011. There was an additional line added to the renewal, and though it sounded like something new, it was just Kaine reiterating the same allegations.
The Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment applies to criminal matters, and it does not allow prior testimonial statements of witnesses to be admitted where the witness has since become unavailable. Crawford v. Washington, 541 U.S. 36 (2004).
Here, we are talking about a civil matter. The Confrontation Clause and the holding of Crawford do not apply to civil matters or other non-criminal proceedings…”
In Oregon, a special appearance is used by a party who wishes to vacate an unauthorized proceeding without consenting to jurisdiction of the court:
A “special appearance” is made by a party when he or his attorney seeks to obtain from the court an order vacating some proceeding which, it is insisted, has been undertaken by the adverse party in an unauthorized manner; such an appearance being thus limited to prevent conferring jurisdiction of the person. Again, Ms. Conner’s thoughts:
…” The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that the judge’s point was the last couple of pages that says Terri Horman’s lawyers cannot make any motion without appearing. This is to say that a special appearance allows a challenge as to the validity of a specific action, but it does not otherwise allow an attorney (nor a party) to file other types of motions or to seek other relief, as was done here.
The abatement that the attorneys sought would act as a protective order. Abatement is not a challenge to the propriety nor validity of the underlying action. As such, Terri Horman’s lawyers needed to appear before filing a motion as to the issue of abatement. ..”
Judge Kantor chose the teamwork approach in an adversarial proceeding, and instructed Terri Horman’s counsel they will need to file an appearance. He attempts to present the case’s challenges to both sides and seeks input as to how best to protect the rights of the defendant, in pertinent part:
The court does not have any particular length of time for this delay in mind at this juncture. lnstead, the court would like the parties and their lawyers to consult and confer about the following and then report back:
1. Should the court require the defendant to file an answer to the complaint which admits or denies the plaintiffs allegations or simply allow the defendant to litigate as if she denied those allegations? If so, by when and for how long?
2. Should the plaintiff be required to establish “reasonable suspicion” or “probable cause” (as defined in criminal cases) that the defendant has done what is alleged through other evidence before the defendant is required to answer oral or written deposition questions under oath?
3. Should the plaintiff be required to serve written deposition questions, which would be subject to court review upon proper motion, and review the answers before taking the defendant’s oral deposition?
Once the court has the parties’ answers to these questions, I will meet with the lawyers to form a schedule and plan for this case. Further briefing and hearings may be required as well.
Defacto Suspect Is Defacto Parent?
History is rife with hellacious stories of parents killing their own children, their own families, and ones parent status should not be considered a reason to exclude anyone. In fact, as we all know, it is 90% more likely that Kyron disappeared due to the actions of a parent or family member and all law enforcement investigators begin a parallel investigation of all with access or motive, from the start.
A hypotenuse only exists within a right triangle. This case is anything but.
Horman, through her attorneys has already certified she will protect her right not to incriminate herself and considering one of the remedies Ms. Young is seeking is that she does just that- who chaired the risk vs. reward strategy meeting in this case in its current form?
In Horman’s favor, Oregon law is one of few in the country that specifies that a jury cannot take the fact that she pleads the fifth and ostensibly cannot or is very limited in her ability to defend her case into its deliberation considerations.
Has Desiree Young been appropriately prepared for the litany of possibilities that might arise out of this filing?
Like, say, a counter suit or an effective defense resulting in a dismissal with prejudice? An award for Horman’s attorney fees ?
For the record, for those of you cringing while reading that remark, I cringed at writing it.
When someone files a purposefully vague claim against another accusing them of a criminal act (s) they will be beyond its tensile strength to support, many possibilities of alternative defense strategies become available to the DEFENDANT.
Ms. Young’s complaint made criminal accusations in a civil action that all agree parallel current criminal investigations. However, even if Horman was in a position to defend herself without violating her fifth amendment right, as it is written- the complaint is not even “answerable”.
“I believe we will be able to prove what happened in this case,”- Eldon Rosenthal
Oh? The preponderance of evidence limbo -stick notwithstanding, let’s be honest, it is going to be virtually impossible to prove Kyron was removed from the state with all parties including law enforcement openly stating they have no idea where he is or how he got there.
Outside of that conviction for first degree custodial interference which certainly seems unlikely because nobody is facing such a charge to date, the prima facie reverts to finding Terri Horman liable on the other counts in civil court.
According to legal analyst Bruce McCain, who has closely been following the Kyron case, the suit will be “near impossible to prove, especially when an element of second degree custodial interference is that Terri acted with the intent to hold Kyron permanently of for a protracted period of time.”
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office has never even classified Kyron’s case as abduction and he is only listed as a missing person on the FBI’s site. Typically crimes need a crime scene, and the Skyline School has certainly never been declared one and astonishingly has not been named a party to this suit. More on that in part 2 of this series.
In summary, Desiree Young is making three allegations. She is claiming either on her own or with help, Terri kidnapped her son Kyron Horman from the Skyline School. Desiree’s own words contradict this claim as to kidnapping:
“She dropped him off that day, but that’s all we know.” – Desiree Young
Desiree is also claiming the intentional infliction of emotional distress through feigning ignorance of the events of June 4, 2010, lying to investigators and lying to the media. Not one quote, not one example is offered in support of this allegation. How can one possibly prove intentional infliction if such statements were never actually uttered to the plaintiff? How does lying to an investigator , if in fact she did, about unknown subject matter, equate to probable cause of the allegation?
What is it’s nexus directly to Desiree Young exactly? Not having the answer in place for that is going to spawn more than a few mutterings of “bad faith” at the bar meetings next month.
Tony Young has stated that as a collegial gesture, he was NOT given any information about the specifics in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance and has publicly only said “If not Terri than who?”
Peter Bunch called the suit law enforcements stalking horse. Judge Kantor seems to agree with Bunch that due to the protection of the ongoing criminal case, that participation from any law enforcement personnel will be non-existent. Rosenthal seems to be more optimistic in his deuces tecum prowess, apparently.
Bruce McCain, could not be more on point. The burden to prove the allegations against Terri Horman rest squarely on her accuser. MCSO recently participated in the filming of Americas Most Wanted, and have spoken publicly about the case on numerous occasions. They have allegedly provided information directly to Desiree Young and Kaine Horman, which is now a matter of public record.
Deposing a law enforcement officer or twenty prior to the possible future criminal filing against your client with the knowledge none of the information has gleaned an indictment to date, is the equivalent to the key to the evidence locker of the case. Will it be a game of quash for all? Certainly, and Bunch has already said so.
“I have nothing to say about Terri Horman” Captain Jason Gates, MCSO
I have never seen Terri Horman give a recorded press interview. I am aware of no statute that exists to compel anyone to be honest with a member of the media on your doorstep seeking comment. ( although I might be in favor that as a card carrier- )
The scales of lady justice require balance for a reason. Glenn Close and Rose Byrne have already concluded the final season of Damages and I dare say those producers have more manufactured story line of fake criminal cases then this very real situation could deliver for fiction-even.
If Terri Horman, through counsel, decides to file for a dismissal of the suit, or defend it in PART- as it appears Judge Kantor has already laid the groundwork for, what should we expect?
You have to respect a judge who is coaching from the bench, and he did.
Technically speaking, under Oregon law, Terri Horman was Kyron Horman’s defacto or psychological parent. The “best interest” standard is a relatively low threshold in this case. Please see review courtesy of Kramer Associates regarding “After Troxel.” (link : http://www.kramer-associates.com/mkgrandparentsrightsaftertroxel.pdfKramer Associates)
I asked Atty Lea Conner to weigh in on this possible third party parent strategy to challenge standing of Ms. Young’s suit, as well as any impeachment or award matrix issues :
“…Third party custody issues are tricky in any case. You need to refer to Troxel v, Granville – Troxel is a US Supreme Court ruling that a parent’s rights trump those of third parties.- One Oregon case cited (Wilson v. Wilson) is particularly devastating to Terri Horman. In Wilson, the court found that custody must be awarded to the mother in order to preserve a sibling relationship between the natural child of the mother and the common child (AKA “joint child”) of both parties-
The Wilson case is interesting, because potentially, a parent contemplating divorce with contested custody might want to discourage the relationship between natural child of one party in order to prevent the natural parent from gaining an advantage in obtaining custody. Could Terri Horman argue that this was Kaine’s motive in sending James to live in Roseburg in early 2010? (Kaine denies sending James away, and claims that it was Terri’s fault that he moved. James and his father in Roseburg have made statements indicating James and Kaine had ongoing conflict, which contradicts Kaine’s version of events and supports Terri Horman’s claims.)”
The Troxel case has affected laws in virtually all of the states, and has significantly reduced previously recognized rights of grandparents, step-parents and psychological parents in favor of birth parents.
Why Terri Horman may be in a position to defend her relationship with Kyron, but not as a parent per se:
5. Wilson and Wilson, 184 Or App 212 (2002), CA A113524. Custody of stepchild awarded to stepfather, along with parties’ joint child, reversed. Under Troxel, custody of the mother’s natural child must be awarded to fit birth mother and because of the sibling relationship, custody of the parties’ joint child must also be awarded to mother. [See Case Note 20 discussion below for Court of Appeals decision on remand from Supreme Court.]
Interestingly, I note that nobody brought up the fact that Desiree once accused Kaine Horman of at least the possibility that he was capable of kidnapping her sons, and was granted a restraining order based on the potential recognized by the court in a similar possible offense.
“.. our Lives are no longer private. Investigators are going to want very detailed information of our personal lives..” Tony Young, Kyron Horman’s stepfather.
What will absolutely add insult to injury in this case will be the fact that in order to indirectly defend Terri Horman, her lawyers will need to vilify Desiree young in front of a jury. They will have to remove the more than deserving, grieving and egregiously wronged Mother’s invisible halo, and they have enough to work with. There is no way around it as unfair as it seems, it is what it is.
EDIT NOTE: In August 1995 a woman with the same name as Desiree Davidson was living with a man who was a convicted felon and the target of more than a few secret indictments a few years earlier. She filed a Family Abuse Protection Complaint against him for assault and he was arrested on a separate felony charge a week later. David Roy Davis may be connected to an entirely different Desiree, but the record came through on a search under Ms. Young’s date of birth as well. The point is, their will be lots of digging on everyone.
In March of 2004, Desiree Young claimed that serious liver problems from an undisclosed, non- FDA approved medicine required her to move to Canada for treatment. She relinquished physical custody of both her sons under the guise that she would not be required to now pay child support as filed in the stipulations of the respective cases. Ms. Young maintained a Seattle, WA address at that time and the last custody order states a very different custody arrangement than what Desiree has mentioned publicly.
If she was seeing Kyron more than once a month, then it was by verbal agreement with Kaine’s approval but this is yet again an unfortunate example of impeachment possibility. The “seeking treatment “details will unfortunately be public information that she has refused to discuss. You get the idea.
Desiree has also admitted asking Kaine to consider modifying the custody arrangement and allowing Kyron to go live with her. Kaine said no and would not discuss it further, but Terri Horman was in favor of it.
Both Desiree and Kaine have conceded Kyron had a few issues of concern in school the prior part of the year, in fact they went so far as to say they were concerned their reaction to it with him might have played a part in his disappearance.
How is it that if having issues at school can be a helpful argument to a non-custodial parent seeking custody modification that nobody considered that Terri was actually working to support Desiree’s possible case?
Kaine has confirmed that they had a discussion about a doctor appointment for Kyron, so this possibility has corroboration.
For the past 2+ years Desiree Young has done everything conceivable to progress answers in the disappearance of her son and I applaud her for that. I am equally as concerned about the emotional toll this lawsuit will take on her as I have been about the effects of the loss of her son.
Catch as Catch Can
Omitted entirely in any coverage of Judge Kantor’s order and memo announcement or previous reactions to the civil filings, is the fact that if Terri Horman is or was involved in the disappearance of Kyron Horman, she is about to get a front row seat to the case against her without saying a word.
Under current criminal procedure in Oregon, once a person is indicted, the defendant receives little more than the actual indictment order. This is usually under seal until an arrest warrant is executed, but it does not contain witnesses, testimony, evidence or any hint at the content that was discussed since the grand jury began reviewing the case and the triers of fact rendered a verdict to indict the party.
In this parallel discovery minefield, arguably tantamount to a mock trial in front of a defacto suspect, the plaintiff will be forced to compel witnesses that have testified before the grand jury, any evidence they have been made aware of, and in some cases they have not, and all of this essentially erodes the sanctity of the grand jury advantage over a criminal defendant. In particular, Oregon uses the grand jury proceeding as many other states use a preliminary hearing. And btw, this is Stephen Houze’s dominion.
While Bunch’s motion for abatement indicates police will refuse to turn over documents or materials pointing to guilt or exculpation, they simply cannot assist the plaintiff without assisting the defense as the discovery is reciprocal across the board. That said, I would expect District Attorney Rod Underhill to seek protection orders against releasing any information classified as part of the case file of an active criminal investigation.
How will that work if the majority of information is clearly being conveyed in an ad hoc method of “you can refer to it in your filings but we will not produce it for your use at a civil trial?”
The reality is that if Terri Horman is involved in the disappearance of Kyron Horman in any capacity this suit as it is structured in the instant matter will do more to assist her defense team than it will ever produce incriminating and usable intelligence to indict her.
It will not provide any detail as to Ky’s whereabouts that MCSO does not already know.
I can hear the protagonists in my ear already- but the scope of criminal subpoena power and reach is intensely more narrow than that of the civil standard so won’t this be an opportunity to glean information LE did not have access to?
Who in their right mind believes that nine multi-disciplined Federal and State Law Enforcement Agencies including those tasked with measures and responsibility of our National Security did not or do not have access to every shred of data a civil order can produce?
The Honorable Judge Kantor requested a position by the District Attorney and invited Underhill to attend the hearing, whereby DA Underhill stated he had no position on the matter.
Kantor is allowing the case to move forward absent an indictment or an official position from the DA, but I predict that is a temporary decision. The DA and MCSO is absolutely going to have a position when the motions to compel discovery arrive by the wheelbarrow followed closely by the freightliner full of FOIA requests. Once it is released for a civil trial it is releasable to the public.
What- No Joinder?
Lastly, as Kyron’s Father, it is odd that Kaine Horman would not be a party to this action. If the goal was a behind the scenes tag team to exhaust the funds of Terri Horman over simultaneous cases I sincerely hope that a considerable amount of time was spent on the possibility that they may be waking the sleeping giant. Desiree Young has an online donation site soliciting funds for her legal fees which injury cases are usually taken on a contingency basis and Kaine Horman has everything to gain by not dividing his assets with his estranged wife in November, when the abatement is lifted.
The fact that a recently retired Civil Attorney who has international homes is willing to come out of retirement to take this case would make me very nervous. Mark H. Wagner signed on yesterday.
If Terri Horman has nothing to hide as it relates to Kyron’s disappearance, this is her one shot to get her life back and clear her name.
The public pendulum will never be swinging so slowly to hear from her why it should stop- as it is right now.
If she was involved, in any way, this civil case is going to unearth the unintentional mistakes and snafus of the well meaning mean and women in law enforcement who have worked this case. It will render it nearly impossible to ever prosecute her successfully whether Kyron is ever located or not. This legal team will have at least 3 plausible alternative suspects, have the jury blaming law enforcement and believing Kyron is alive somewhere and may be better off.
Don’t shoot the messenger.
It may give a grief-stricken Mother a $10 Million judgment she can never collect, but as Peter Bunch said in his argument, it will not give her the answers she seeks.
I terrified my interrogation subjects, but I never got intelligence.
Astute. True. Maddening for all that are interested in this case but of course begs the question-
If tortboarding will not work, at some point, does it make sense to start over with a fresh perspective of elimination versus inclusion?
Terri Horman was the immediate suspect in a disappearance and an alleged murder for hire plot where there are gads of comments and facebook images of a happy family and very alive target- Kaine Horman.
When confronted by her alleged accomplice, Rodolpho “Rudy” Sanchez directly in a failed sting rivaling RENO 911- she actually called 911.
The sting was heard by more than a few scanner enthusiasts, as reported exclusively by BOC(insert link)
Why was it decided Terri Horman was the mariticidic filicide in a flash?
And why were all other avenues excluded almost as quickly as Jung opened the window for the scarab?
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@Nel Mel
Although I agree with almost all of your post last night, this part:
“Any by the way, folks, if the idea of custodial interference for a civil case was, to KH, a good idea on DY’s part, that involves Kyron leaving the state. Why isn’t KH taking his awareness booths out of Oregon???I believe that Kyron is alive, and KH knows that.”
resonates the most.
I have often talked about and thought about this. I go on a lot of road trips and post posters of Kyron in little towns all over the western states. I’ve just lately begun to feel it’s too late. But a couple weeks ago, in the little, tiny town of Wisdom, Montana, the owner of the little store agreed to put the new, progressed one up on her board. I told her he’d lived near me and she said she’d never heard of Kyron.
I thought about Kaine when I came back. I’d sent his FB manager an age-progressed one after I spent the summer of 2011 putting them up on a summer trip. I’d made it myself and told them about my trip and could they give recommendations on the flyer (didn’t tell them that I hadn’t seen his official flyer in my 10 states). They sent a cursory email, saying thanks for your help.
I’ve been to some of the events. It’s the same people who come, year after year. You would have to live in a cave (sans a laptop) to not know about Ky in the Northwest.
I wondered why, with all his foundation money, he could not have an organized cadre of volunteers heading out to these small towns and far away cities.
Did you know that there is no reward offered anymore? Not the progressed one, not the one’s on Kaine’s sites, not the FBI poster. I’d actually written it in, naively, and didn’t realize it until I returned to Portland.
@TRuth. I thot the same name for the self-reported 2007 marriage.
The whole thing is just murky. The move, the books & publishers, the
professions. I lived in Richardson btw a long time.
Radical change to Utah, WA & OR. I think you have to
write the tremendous fixation, venemously, via tweet to TH & DD & Kafvre
& a customer off though, because it’s no different from many online.
RedRose says:
October 28, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Could it be that TMH left her daughter with KH because she knows the baby would be safer with him than if she tried to get her away from him? It would be interesting to know if/when TMH was beginning to get scared of KH, maybe even to worrying about the safety of the children, but just didn’t act fast enough – or couldn’t — and then got caught in the whirlpool the last two years have been?
@Amys Sister says:October 28, 2012 at 11:38 am
This says several things to me: Kaine absolutely did not want Kyron to live with Desiree, even to Kyron’s detriment.
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Sometimes I think that Kaine is very genuine about losing (and loving) Kyron and just hasn’t gotten past
the “denial” and anger stages of loss.
But then one thought comes to mind. That he is, in more than the kidnapping, excessive. You’ve all mentioned it. His need to be right, and in control is suspect, seem almost OCD. Tie that in with his brother’s conviction and a possible childhood where everything was out of control if what his brother said about the father molesting them/him. And you have, in adulthood, and “extreme edge” need to control.
Bobby O told Kaine about Rudy. TMH denied it to LE. TMH told Kaine it was ridiculous. Was it the, after the botched sting, that he became truly, ‘afraid for his life”. Or was it then that he realized he could get away with turning the table on TMH and turning her into the suspect for good?
I do think David could have been a prime accomplice. The bar at Sauvie, i heard, was owned by a iffy owner and David had a penchant for prostitutes, and could have easily met him there. Have you seen that pix of Kaine grabbing TMH’s boob in that or another bar? A friend once thought that David did abduct Kyron in a deal with Kaine, something went wrong, and it was then Kaine reved up the assaults against TMH, to deflect.
Just some thoughts. I really don’t like to entertain these dark ideas.
Oh…one more thing. Did you all catch that comment by M. Cook toward the end of Kaine’s redacted sextng exhibit. Cook tell TMH….”I’m in the middle of writing a long email to Kaine” or something like that. And TMH doesn’t appear to respond to it. WTH….
Thanks Blink, NelMel , Amys Sister
And all who speak out on Kaine
I turned Kaine off a few months back
When I no long believed in him or what he says
I am sorry he has lost Kyron
I really do believe a perp took Kyron
I am not sure what I believe about Kaine
Mostly I think he had wanted a devorce for awhile
Before this happened to Kyron
And wanted to kick Terri out
but keep the kids
This is just my thoughts
All My own opinion: And, Malty I agree with you!
Kaine has a knack of sticking his head in the sand when it comes to caring about people in in his life that are in pain or distress. When Kaine has an agenda, it doesn’t concern him that people get hurt or trampled on while he pursues it. It is also my opinion that Kaine seems unable to comprehend his own inadequacies. Kaine does what he wants to do, when and how he wants to do it, without concern for others. When Kaine wants or doesn’t want something he isn’t a “team-player” he goes his own way, even when the majority go the other. Kaine lives his life publically one way, and privately (or in his mind) another. I do not believe that Kaine is always truthful when his end game is to get his way. Kaine doesn’t appear to be a critical-thinker, but more agenda driven.
None of the above means, of course, that Kaine is guilty of any wrongdoing with regards to Kyron’s disappearance. However, I doubt Kaine gave a minutes thought to the possibility that someone in his life or with regards to his actions, may have played a part. And a big question for me is, why were the women in Kaine’s life so afraid to “take him on?”
My wishes/hopes for Kyron now:
1. I wish LE would backtrack. They know so much more now than they did during those first few days.
2. I wish LE would recalculate their questions based on what they know now, and re-administer polygraphs. (Would Kaine agree to take one, and if so, what should those questions be?)
3. I hope that there are no more stalls in the Horman divorce proceedings.
Amys ster says: October 26, 2012 at 4:37 pm
“January, thank you for the work that you do. I wonder, were you the parent of Kyron what would you do in an effort to advocate for him? I ask with respect because I have thought about this over and over and I feel Desiree’s, and Kaine’s to a lesser extent, hands have been tied by the failed investigation. What could she do differently to advocate for her son?”
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My heart goes out to Desiree. I don’t think there is a single person who posts here that doesn’t feel the same. IMO, Desiree’s thinking is stuck in one direction. She advocates for Kyron the best she knows how. However, if I were she, I would be making more noise about the investigation and the school. I would be keeping my eye on Terri, but focusing more on what LE is ignoring. Rather than scream from the rooftop that Terri is culpable, I would be screaming that LE has focused on Terri without showing proof, to the detriment of the investigation. I would be stirring public outrage that any child could have gone missing from Skyline School that day. One bereaved mother can’t hold a candle to what a -community demanding answers- can.
My only hope for Desiree is that her civil suit will bring more information. That the right people are deposed and the right questions are asked. I hope that everyone deposed won’t follow DeDe’s lead by pleading the 5th. Moreover, if even a glimmer of answers (through depositions) point to Terri not being involved, let’s hope everyone can swallow their pride and turn this investigation around.
vw says:
October 28, 2012 at 3:45 pm
(snipped)
Oh…one more thing. Did you all catch that comment by M. Cook toward the end of Kaine’s redacted sextng exhibit. Cook tell TMH….”I’m in the middle of writing a long email to Kaine” or something like that. And TMH doesn’t appear to respond to it. WTH….
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omg, yes, I totally forgot about that. Thanks for pointing that out. When I read that in the court transcript, I looked for her to write something to even just acknowledge that he said it, never mind react to it. You are right — she wrote nothing about it (at least nothing that was included in that transcript).
That had me thinking at one point — what if that “long email to Kaine” was MC’s version of the texts? Such as, TH was texting away, sending innocuous comments, and MC transcribed his own version to KH? If the two of them were setting her up for a fall, how easy it could have been to have MC relax with a laptop and type away as TH dumbly chit chats via text. “Oh, looky, KH, we can get her to be stupid and text me, and then I have all her routine syntax AND cute expressions! We sooo need to have absolutely no contact with each other for years, and then get together for amateur surveillance that derails your pending court actions more often!”
I learned one interesting bit of ephemera this weekend.
“Nynorsk” simply means the Norwegian language.
And “Forlag” simply means “publisher.” I think it’s
in Kaine’s best interest to settle. And if I were Terri I’d go do
that mental health exam with a stipulation negotiated with Kaine with Judge’s
support to move the case along,specifying I could choose the psychiatric physician
and stipulating all questions and responses, written mayerials, and oral
opinions of the psychiatrist not codified in the written report
for the purpose of custody are subject to doctor-patient privilege
and not to be disclosed publically or in other forums criminal or civil
and I’d vet a stipulation report goes under seal with gag order. Heck,
if Staples owner can get those divorce gag orders, why not TH? Heck
even if she gets a Borderline label, maybe due to 3 marriages, DUI, affairs,
tho I don’t think that enough & it’d be subjective, Borderlines usually don’t off
kids or step kids. I think she’d have to be floridly psychotic & delusional
about Kiara to get no visitation as she has now.
Been reading a lot today. Here, there,everywhere.Lots of straws to grasp on to. If the Judge rules to have questions answered would it help clear up some of the speculations? Haul everyone in that’s under
suspicion. Let’s get the circus over with and find out WTH happened to this innocent child, I know it is not that easy but my goodness this is a nightmare! I am so angry.
I would not take on Kaine
So I can understand DY and Terri
On that
Not out of any fear but some people just never stop coming or intend to meet half way
Kaine is not the only person like that
It just isn’t worth it
With certain people the only win is to back off
In my opinion
What is so amazing is not one clue has been found as to what happened to Kyron
When across town J Holt left evidence
Everywhere leading to Whitney
How can there just be nothing at all
I cannot believe LE doesn’t have something
Anybody seen all these “stories” by Tom, the “cousin of Dede”? Does Dede even have a cousin, Tom?
https://www.facebook.com/ArrestTerriMoultonHormanTODAY
Is this another Inisntel? Shades of SoCal? Mentions GLP. It’s just reading like a hoax. But they seem to
be eating it up.
In Whitney case there was a united front of family,friends and church
In Kyron’s a lot of personal garbage aired
It gives me a strong hint if anyone I care for should go missing
@va. He’s at it again?
All Bunch has to do to impeach Cook’s credibility
is to subpoena Shannon. Even better if she says
he and Kaine had been hanging out.
As to Rudy, maybe his credibility can go with payroll audit
(illegals? min wage?) & tax audit, but surely when he
says “no poly” and spells out
what he got in the LE “cooperation
agreement.”
Ya’ll think Devlin is subpoenaing those 4 911 calls?
@Amy’s Sister. What can bios do? Look at Meagan Sharpton’s Mom. Rouse a community vs
DA (and if she’d needed to, LE). Ceaselessly
outspoken against gov’t institutions standing in way of progress.
Blacks marched, sermonized, and spoke out for their own childrens’ nonsegregated education versus schools.
Much more reasonable to do it for my child missing from an OR school for 2.5 years. A million mom march–OK 100 would do–in Portland to the BOE Bldg & MCSO hdqtrs. I’d have my tshirts distributed–Find Kyron Now. I would have a list of demands for Staton: 1) transfer case to PPB cold case unit concommitant with a full FBI review; 2) release more info & cooperate with public.
Of course internet sales & car shows are far more gratifying.
Idk why Kaine laid down & rolled over
with Skyline from Day 1 unless he wants staff testimony in divorce.
@Malty says:
October 28, 2012 at 10:28 pm
What is so amazing is not one clue has been found as to what happened to Kyron
When across town J Holt left evidence
Everywhere leading to Whitney
How can there just be nothing at all
I cannot believe LE doesn’t have something
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OT..Holt to plead Not Guilty…
http://www.kptv.com/story/19924889/whitney-heichel-murder-suspect-due-in-court-today
Malty, I think Holt will plead insanity. If Kyron is recovered there may be some evidence to lead them to the perp.
@VW
Yes I have read Tom Jones FB
Why is he writing this stuff about DeDe is beyond me
I think a poster here found he is a real cousin
Anyway I just looked again
What is his intent
As usual, Malty succinct style says it all.
A person with intent, who as I understand it is telling all he is the third suspect?
WTH would anyone even read that crap?
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@rose
Ya’ll think Devlin is subpoenaing those 4 911 calls?
Houze asked for them. All 4. In October, 2010. The BOEC sent him a letter refunding his money and said that the Sheriff’s office said the “investigation” prohibits them from releasing them.
So will the “investigation” prohibit Devlin from getting them? If they don’t, I believe they MUST also give them to Houze, finally.
So…this Tom guy has been on the circuit before? Once I read that he was into the Gulpers I stopped reading.
@Nel
That had me thinking at one point — what if that “long email to Kaine” was MC’s version of the texts? Such as, TH was texting away, sending innocuous comments, and MC transcribed his own version to KH? If the two of them were setting her up for a fall, how easy it could have been to have MC relax with a laptop and type away as TH dumbly chit chats via text. “Oh, looky, KH, we can get her to be stupid and text me, and then I have all her routine syntax AND cute expressions! We sooo need to have absolutely no contact with each other for years, and then get together for amateur surveillance that derails your pending court actions more often!”
*****
Interesting. I’ve always thought she knew exactly what was going on and was playing a game with Kaine.
Sorta a tit-for-tat.
That was a mistake on her part, I think. The sexting was used, in part, to prevent visitation? Although, to tell the truth, I never really understood the withdrawal to pursue visitation. Kaine’s vitriolic and excessive statements about his being the primary caretaker, that TMH was (oops, I remember now) in alcoholic or internet-junkie stupors all day and night long were just so….out there.
However, like the R/O, the judge has the last word. And if Kaine says kiara will be in danger, it’s up to TMH and her lawyers to prove otherwise. And they can’t. Not without reciprical evidence.
The would not, and I think will not, get reciprical evidence to prove the MFH and involvement in the abduction if false.
Hence a catch 22.
(This is general, not addressed to anyone in particular.)
To be frank, it would be sad, but would not surprise me one bit if both KH and TMH’s actions/lifestyle (whatever they were) factored into Kyron disappearing. Although I hope this is not the case.
That said, I find some of the questioning around the web of Kaine a bit ironic. Not an insult, just an observation. I see the field a bit more even because it seems like most of the logic used to try and rationalize TMH, could be used to rationalize KH.
As so many have said about TMH, ‘It’s very, very unlikely that she is a criminal mastermind who could dupe the laundry list of agencies involved’ – I agree. IMO, this should apply to KH.
So many have said of TMH ‘we don’t know what she knows, and until we do, who are we to judge her demeanor? You don’t know how you would act if your child went missing’ — Should this not also apply to KH?
There are sooo many more examples, too. I understand why people see KH may very well be controlling – he may be the worst, and he does seem weird….but imo, he seems (almost) just as ‘weird’ as she does. I don’t know. It does seem that TMH was no dainty flower, though – hard to imagine her taking flack from a man that she could no doubt bench press. They both seem ‘off’, they both make me go “huh????” but the reason my fence is the teeeeeensiest bit tilted, is that only one of the two has been out there trying to keep Kyron in the public. If it’s a facade, that sucks. I don’t know how to ‘un-feel’ what I feel. Baffled by this whole case, I guess.
@Blink – Have to ask a question that has been brought up – It seems unlikely that KH wasn’t verified (whereabouts of that morning) by one of the agencies during those first few days, or questioned like THM was – could they have effed up to THAT degree? I mean…is it a real possibility that they did not confirm that he was at work that morning? I was sure that I had read this had been verified?
No VLH, I believe Kaine’s whereabouts were verified, and I don’t believe he had DIRECT involvement in Ky’s disappearance. However, since I know Ky did not leave with TH, I find it unlikely that TH was directly involved. Either party or joint lifestyle could have let the vampire in as far as I am concerned.
That said, as I have always maintained, because I believe this was executed with precision, I don’t believe a stranger abduction crime of opportunity can be excluded.
B
Thanky.
B
vw says:
October 28, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Anybody seen all these “stories” by Tom, the “cousin of Dede”? Does Dede even have a cousin, Tom?
https://www.facebook.com/ArrestTerriMoultonHormanTODAY
Is this another Inisntel? Shades of SoCal? Mentions GLP. It’s just reading like a hoax. But they seem to
be eating it up.
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IMO I read a little bit over there the writing style sure reads to me like the writing style someone with initials SC. Looks like another another little group of SC groupies. I guess its entertaining to them I wonder how long they will last until FB shuts them down. Probably best to stay away from that FB page or at least never post there.
oops. misspoke in early hours watching the wind.
All that marching to give a message to schools
in the South was necessary and more than reasonable.
I just meant the abduction & probable death of a child from
a scool in session ought to take just as much outcry from
parents in PPS.
In my town, advocates have demonstrated re school programs.
In PA recently a rally at school was done to support anti-bullying & Vic 1.
Of course the BOE, County Commissioners & Sheriff’s election box works best.
If I were a bio I’ve have spent and would still spend
my “pressure” publicity capital on the
footsteps of the Supt’s Office the day before each BOE meeting
(so they ask questions of Supt), and outside each County Comm
mtg just before they meet. monthly.
Since Desiree seems the only activist, as a Mom I’d
rally those Roseburg Supports folks for a series of
permitted “Mom Marches” & hand out TShirts
saying:
Portland Parents
Say
Find Kyron
Fix the Investigation
In a way it’s interesting Terri’s been sidelined, because she’s the activist personality who’d
be crazy up in the faces of the PPS and investigators and very vocal a out it if left to her own devices & supported by Kaine.
One almost thinks her exile planned if perp is PPS or LE associated.
Isn’t Tom Jones something. He’s found a new forum. Did he open this FB page too?
I wonder if he has a white truck? I can’t read it all as I don’t sign in to FB.
But he’s running on with the same old GLP.
Just looked, Jones–still going strong–was told he should write a book The Kyron Horman story. And the thought came, maybe he has. Perhaps Word Girl can do a comparison of the two stories for syntax etc.
@VLH
One of the questions that I have for the people that say KH refused to let KY go live with DY would be “Wouldn’t it be wierder if he had said, oh, ok sure he can go live with you.” In my own opinion, I think KH was pretty much ok with the status quo at home, his own oblivion not unlike many fathers who leave the parenting to mom and then jump up and say they do everything for their family.
If TMH would fight for the right to see Kiara I would jump off the fence, but until I know why she does not, I will continue to wonder if she was/is involved.
Also, if KH secreted KY away somehow thinking it would be better for him than a custody battle, then KY’s psychological damage was not taken into account.
This case blows my mind, every day. Prayers for Kyron, that he is not suffering through some adult psychosis that we cannot even imagine.
AJMO.
@Blink.
Do you rule out as “direct”
also
–all PPS associated personnel who had some PPS-based acquaintance with Kyron?
or,
–anyone a stranger to the families but known to Kyron in the school setting, volunteer, contractor, etc
That is someone legitimately connected to Skylline or PPS and in that sense not a stranger?
VW, Hola girl! Me thinks Tom might be picking up that reward?
vw,
Blink has posted (per witnesses) Kyron was seen with an unidentified male the morning of June 4 2010.
Blink has also commented that LE has a description of the male.
LE has not publicly released said information/description.
Reading that you are a school-parent from Kyron’s district, vw, has this motivated you or does this motivate you to make contact with MCSO, the DA’s office, etc., to seek answers regarding an alleged unidentified male?
Thank you.
Excellent question. I have been sent correspondence that is verified of other parents asking such questions but I do not have permission to publish them.
B
Tom – throwing his cousin under the bus…
His previous position at GLP was sort of defending Dede. He did a 180.
CB you are correct Falstaff re: the reward?
Jonesr has some interesting connections online.
When asked how he knew Dede’s online connection he sz:
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002205457068
Scroll down to Friday &:
Lets just say I have friends with skills
Interesting!
If I said Elvis came back from the dead and saw Th or DS carry a kicking and screaming Kyron from the school after putting everyone in a suspended state until he got away those nitwits would not only believe it, but start a new FB for it. Now wonder Zuckerberg is taking a bath.
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@VLH and Rose
VLH…good post. ITA that Kaine is out there keeping the focus on Kyron. If he did just that, however, I wouldn’t question his motives. Even though the buying and stocking of new age-appropriate toys and clothes for him to use at age 10 makes me wonder ….??? That said, the most strongest and most vitriolic bad press he places on TMH occurs not in relation to Kyron missing. The sexting, drinking, neglecting her family, trying to “steal” her daughter rants he makes in motions to the court appears calculated and directed primarily to keep TMH from even getting near her daughter. No doubt, from FB messages, pictures, testimonies she adored her daughter. Now she is in a position to have to prove the “probable causes” are false if she constests the R/O. Kaine just has to show up to court and say he still fears for his life. He has to prove nothing.
Desiree, on the other hand, while perhaps mis-directed and manipulated by selective evidence presented to her, by LE, appears to have only one end…to find Kyron.
But Bunch’s statement that she would not get the answers she’s seeking imply to me that Dede and TMH really have told LE all they know. Maybe not. Maybe they are hiding something. I certainly don’t know them as well as the bios do, or should.
@rose. Tom Jones. Forum? Was he/she on here before? I didn’t look for his FB. Do you think he’s a reincarnation of that Socal/Marybeth “insider”. LOL
And about Skyline being confronted by the bios. Remember Kaine, at the year mark driving his truck toward Skyline to pick up cards that the school was keeping for him? He repeats what Keefer said a year ago when asked about the school…”…it was a safe school then, and it’s a safer school now.”
I have never heard them once question the school. LE has prolly never given them any reason to. Why would they? The district gets a pass, big time. From the early mistakes/neglect to the missing files. One institution protecting the other, IMO.
Also, I was thinking that one of the reasons they didn’t is that it would become known that they had, it seemed, no real interest in Kyron’s education. Kaine didn’t know about the Talent show, others have stated too; and Desiree probably never stepped foot in the school during his three years there. I did see one picture where she came to a soccer party. But other than that all of her pictures with Kyron are down South.
Maybe she was just that kind of mom. Not too interested in the nuts and bolts of raising a kid. I wonder how involved she was with Quinn. Whatever her involvement was, or wasn’t, it’s pretty obvious to me that she truly regrets not being more involved.
So, because both of the parents had no clue whatsoever about the makings of Kyron’s life at Skyline they would probably be at a disadvantage, anyway, if they tried to sue, or marched in there to demand answers.
It seems imperative to many of us that that is what they should have done…but I know there are many parents out there that never, in general, step foot their kids schools except at parent-teacher conferences.
Kaine’s lack of real knowledge about the “green-card” system is a clue…parental involvement and working with a school to improve a child’s chance of success he saw as punishment. And it was TMH that did the science project with him, even though his dad was an engineer.
Those FB groups don’t think Skyline has answers. And I think most Portlanders just remember the finger pointing to TMH and/or the tabloid stories and really don’t care much anymore. The general consensus was, and still is, regarding Skyline….a school cannot protect a child being taken out by his mother.
Although I think there are a few parents and staff still there that have reason to believe otherwise, but are saying nothing publically.
@Blink – Thank you for taking the time to reply, I was hoping our LE didn’t eff up to THAT degree (would be nice to know to what degree they did, though. Being a local, this worries the you-know-what outta me).
@Patricia – Good points, so much baffling info to ponder. It hurts my heart to think of what he might have gone through and/or what he’s going through now if that (very) slim chance of him being alive is true.
@VW – I appreciate your reply and I understand what you are saying. I agree in many ways, and that was why I was saying that they have both, on occasion, made me say (out loud, mouth open like one of my little brothers playing a video game and concentrating way too hard)”whaaaa?”. I can say that I have NO idea what I would do or say in either of their positions, but I can imagine that if I thought my spouse harmed my child, I may go to some unknown depths to make sure that there is no chance they would harm my remaining child. Not excusing him – just trying to put myself in his shoes for a moment. I can’t imagine being quiet (if that isn’t already obvious from the length of my replies) if I was innocent, but again – I have no clue or foundation for how I would react or who I would listen to in this situation. I just want this sweet boy found.
Oh my goodness! East coast people; hold on,stay safe and good luck! I wonder if BOC will go poof for a few days. Will be thinking of you all! xo
I have a disaster recovery post prepared, lol.
O sandy, how you came and you gave without taking..
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/10/29/oh-sandy-how-you-came-and-you-gave-without-taking-frankenstorm-hits-new-jersey/
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@Blink Did u read today (huffpost or abc mobile I forget)
how facebook is used in Indonesia etc for child trafficking?
Young teen with 23 yo new social “friend” = kidnapping.
And it’s systemic.
Have not, but not surprising to me in that country specifically. I have a Fed friend who was stationed in Jakarta for a few years.
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Tom Joners Jones what ever other names has been on GLP
And other sites a long time
He defended DeDe
Now he claims DeDe did the bad thing to Kyron
Unless a person can figure he is a liar with intent
Like I always have
I would suggest not reading
I never thought of him being the suspect as time goes on
Why not?
Blink
I hope you are safe , warm and dry
Same for hubby and kids
It sounds bad back there in NJ
Can’t tell you if scam girl is a scam, but she promotes herself as exposing internet bullies, frauds and liars. A new niche?
http://scamgirl.blogspot.com/2011/05/if-socal-is-not-tamara-merrill-as-her.html
@ Falstaff. Hola, tambien. In Tom’s case, is discretion the better side of valor? LOL. Only we wish he would play dead? like your namesake? :>)
@rose/@wpg. I’ve thought about going to one of the comissioner’s meetings as the, technically, oversee the budgets of underhall and staton. But i’ve been checking and there have been no state of the investigation reports being taken to board lately. I’ve sent emails to kgw and the newspaper asking them to do more investigative reporting. PPS and MCSO would answer that “integrity of the investigation” prevents them from giving any information at this time. Then too, most people, even my friends, can’t get beyond the media portrayals and are definitely not about to confront the district. Personally, I think the community of Skyline is behind LE all the way. As well as the school. Even if they did know something would they want to encourage panic? Or would they want to risk the school being closed due to enrollment? At 261 kids projected for 2015 this is the smallest enrollment for a k-8 and they’ve avoided the axe, in part, because what kind of message would be sent to public? PPS wants no undue attention put on the school. That’s why, even if she was totally negligent, K. Porter is a tenured teacher now.
PS. Did you all see the list of what-not-to-say-to-the- press/public was given to the Skyline Neighborhood association? I’ll send a link.
@cd. Thanks. Maybe an implosion is due?
@blink LOL on the Elvis. Who’s Zuckerberg?
Piggybacking.
Really AMHO on the Skyline political stuff.
And please be safe out there in the EAST!
1. RedRose says:
October 28, 2012 at 1:39 pm
http://catvillarreal.blogspot.com/
http://catvillarreal.blogspot.com/2009/09/as-you-know-by-now-cat-died-in.html
Does anyone know about this person who died the fall (September 19, 2009) before we lost Kyron? It was a motorcycle accident but was it in the Skyline area? (Ok, I looked around – it was on Hwy 30, which is just down the road from Sheltered Nook Road).
It all sounds very sad and he sounds like he was a nice person. I just wondered if there was much of a connection between him and either KH or TMH, mostly wondering about TMH. ___________________________________________________________________________
IMO, something happened to make Kim want to cancel the benefit and celebration. I have wondered if perhaps Cat didn’t have something amongst his possessions that made Kim and Avery go hmm. I would think it would have been good for her children to have attended the celebration.
Snip:
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 2009
Donate to the Villarreal Family
There has been a donation account set up to help support the cost of the Villarreal family expense. If you have any donations please send them to US Bank. The account is under his eldest sons name, Avery Villarreal.
Thank you
Posted by Cat Villarreal at 2:41 PM No comments:
As you know by now, Cat died in a motorcycle accident Saturday, September 19, 2009. He leaves behind his partner Kim and their five boys, as well as a community that was always amazed by his energy and opinions. His passing leaves a huge hole in our community and of course in his family. The purpose of this blog is to inform people of what is going on to support Kim and the family.
Right now what we can tell you is…
We don’t have any information about a service. It will be posted when we do.
Nora is scheduling meals for the family. Her number is 503-645-3119.
We are planning a benefit and celebration at Brooks Hill Church on October 3, 2009
And this snip:
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2009
The benefit/celebration at Brooks Hill Church has been canceled at Kim’s request.
Posted by Cat Villarreal at 1:56 PM No comments:
Resentment as motive does not rule out
chosing Kyron out of sexual or dark motive.
@nate, I always wondered if there was some type of betrayal discovered (ie. an affair).
Re TMH and Cat V, who seemed like a really likeable person, — and not that I care much for her — I can see where people might be attracted to her physically. She was very pretty at one time. I’m not sure how she interacted with men, or even other women, on a social level before everything blew up in her face.
I’m just vaguely remembering that sexting transcript (eeeuw, one time through that was enough – I don’t even know where the link is…) that she said she had only 4-5 physical relationships.
Well, since their boys were classmates, I think there must have been a little socializing on an acquaintance-type level between Horman/Holm/CV. I wonder how she got along with Kim Holm.
All just wondering …
[...] Kyron Horman Disappearance [...]
I am in Sandy’s northern phase and she will bring us lots of nice new water, which we do not need, likely starting late tomorrow. She will hurt NJ and then soak us. Hoping there will be no repeat of Irene’s flooding up here last summer. That.was.not.fun.
So here’s hoping that all who are downstate are snuggled up tight tonight, have great camping lanterns, closets full o’ batteries, and are safe.
Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, “I really think they were a good family before this.”
She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.
“I don’t let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them,” she said. “I didn’t think anything bad about them.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html
vw,
Thanks, but I was not inquiring about confronting the district or raising Blink’s comments in any public setting.
I was asking if you personally, as a local school-parent, have gone to any form of law enforcement involved in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance from his/a school, ie. Staton, Underhill, to address a concern about an unidentified male plus description that Blink, right here in black and white, has reported on.
Kim Holm characterizes her relationship with TH as “good friends.”
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Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, “I really think they were a good family before this.”
She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.
“I don’t let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them,” she said. “I didn’t think anything bad about them.”
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html
Holding Blink, family and neighbors in our prayers as we watch this event unfold.