Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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Not that it matters, but I read DAD’s arrest that he was the prostitute. Anyone else get that, or did I get confused?
Wasn’t TMH watching the baby boy (Kyron) of her best friend Desiree, who was married to KH at the time?
@wpg says: April 19, 2013 at 9:13 am
Appreciate if you could clear up something unsubstantiated from way back – – – is the bar on Hwy30 where KH and TMH first met?
What are the chances that DAD knew KH and (wearing a pony tail so his hair would be hidden) would be the “creepy man” at Skyline that several peope mentioned? …and then could DAD be the person in the truck (the redhead) driving down Hwy 30 about the same time?
Someone knows where DAD is. Wonder if it is KH???
@Cindy says:
April 19, 2013 at 11:28 am
What is a little puzzling about DAD is he had a functional engaged mother & brother locally, was holding a job, had maintained independent housing, had some social network even reputedly the ability to have a girl to date, & we cannot be sure why Firehouse let him go as a volunteer.
D.A.D was still around for 6 months after Kyron disappeared.
Trying to apply some logic here – - – if there were witnesses to the UNKNOWN MALE allegedly seen with Kyron, then presumably KNOWN MALES like D.A.D. would have eventually been eliminated by visual/photographic/etc. means.
RedRose, there have been numerous articles and interviews going back to the summer of 2010 that have shown the “story” of “TMH was a friend of Desiree’s” to be a falsehood.
@RedRose. wpg’s reference imo is TH met Kaine while working
as a restaurant hostess. The question is what restaurant?
re the red Mustang
I truly believe KH has a solid alibi for June 4 and imo, he did not take Kyron. Got to believe if there was any doubt on this in the eyes of concerned entities, toddlerK would not be in his care.
The number of red Mustangs similar to the model and year of TH’s should have been be easier to investigate than the number of white trucks.
I know this has been discussed before, but again, as an example, here is a similar red Mustang (different year I think) parked in front of the bar on Hwy30, with image date of May 2009:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bottoms+Up+Tavern,+Northwest+Saint+Helens+Road,+Portland,+Oregon,+United+States&hl=en&ll=45.646568,-122.842426&spn=0.042662,0.067377&sll=45.646718,-122.842339&layer=c&cid=2537059434120825262&cbp=13,90.9,,1,12.56&panoid=F9fW5EDCglkDwCZWPKGvJA&hq=Bottoms+Up+Tavern,+Northwest+Saint+Helens+Road,+Portland,+Oregon,+United+States&t=h&z=14&cbll=45.64663,-122.842541
And just for the heck of it, there is a white truck parked in the back from the same May 2009 google image:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bottoms+Up+Tavern,+Northwest+Saint+Helens+Road,+Portland,+Oregon,+United+States&hl=en&ll=45.646388,-122.842169&spn=0.042662,0.067377&sll=45.646718,-122.842339&layer=c&cid=2537059434120825262&cbp=13,351.47,,2,10.59&panoid=Qs6XBbtbg1OXsDDSV8juZQ&hq=Bottoms+Up+Tavern,+Northwest+Saint+Helens+Road,+Portland,+Oregon,+United+States&t=h&z=14&cbll=45.646361,-122.84206
T. Ruth says:
April 19, 2013 at 12:18 pm
@vw
I still wonder if DAD was the landscaper at the Horman home and/or worked for said landscaper. Kaine Horman says he never met RS. Someone, somewhere on one of the boards mentioned that the landscaper was recommended by one of Kaine’s friends. I have no idea whether or or not that is true, but if so, perhaps the connection is through Intel acquaintances who used the same landscaper. I’ve looked around a bit at this angle and came up empty.
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Bumble says:
April 18, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Is it possible the vehicles were seen on Sauvie Island the day before? Maybe someone remembered the wrong day. Weren’t they asking for footage from June 3rd as well as June 4th? What if something transpired the day before, leading to Kyron’s disappearance.
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Could be. If so, wonder who had the car on Thursday, Ju ne 3. If Terri, or for that matter, Kaine? what do you think shehe may have been doing racing around SI on June 3? What would be the hurry? Thoughts anyone?
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@T. Ruth
The possibilities are as endless as all of our maybes and what-ifs wrt what happened on June 4…so sad. I saw a little guy this morning that reminded me of a younger Kyron. My heart just breaks for him.
Rose says:
April 19, 2013 at 1:03 pm
catching up I see both Boston tv stations & social media wrongly
id’d initially. however fact remains, why no use of Skyline community
of social media wrt abduction? just crime & psychic sites. and
money raising websites which now seem derigeur with kidnapped
children.
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Because MCSO was, in NWSC newsletters, etc., adored. They could do no wrong. And the church was where Kaine said that all media must get with the program. The church owner,(what’s her gestapo name?) was more than willing to usher out all of Kaine’s “non-players” early on.
When I look at Boston, and Gresham’s citizen/church response that found our beautiful, young barrista, Whitney H….it just makes me so angry that MCSO thwarted the search and then the investigation by their stupid choices of not only discouraging the public from being involved by searching but by deliberately MISleading said public and intimidating the press. So much so that other thanMaxine and Lynne of the Oregonion (who have NEVER questioned Kaine’s motives nor LE’s) there has been almost nil coverage of the case for the past three years.
It reminds me of totalitanarianism (working with mine and other kids on it these days). Only one point of view has been covered by the press for years. Yes, they can “say” that TMH is not answering their calls. But aren’t they professionals? Maxine will investigate the hell out of PPD when they brutalize citizens or abuse the taxpayers money. But she won’t touch Kaine nor his nepotistic LE chain. (yes. i made up that adjective. lol).
I don’t think KH physically took Kyron. And apparently TH did not physically take him either. So where does that leave us?
A random abduction.
An abduction by someone Kyron knew (teacher, coach, neighbor).
One or more of the four parents inadvertently put a target on his back.
One or more of the four parents involved one or more parties to abduct him.
There are many points that speak to each scenario. The one that seems to confuse the issue, IMO, is the behavior of KH. He has something to hide. So, it would seem does TH. Whatever it was, or is, seems to have involved RS, and maybe even DAD.
The lack of responsibility of the school, the mishandling of the investigation, the chaos in the courts, cryptic or poor reporting, all add up to bad breaks in epic proportions. It’s apathetic at best and conspiratorial at worst.
We will now wait until August, to see what the courts will do, since they rely on the DA, who is waiting on LE, who is back to square one or two, knocking on doors in California. Meanwhile Kyron’s enhanced picture will be on trucks and event posters through the summer as if he is somehow here.
Forgive me for saying this, but it is not only about comforting those who mourn him, but it is really about owing a little boy the diligence of the adults, in his community, his school and his family to find out how he can disappear from his school. It is about making sure that he is not in some God forbidden situation right now. I pray for someone with the right intentions to step up and step in.
(oops, ignore sentence from previous post “D.A.D was still around for 6 months after Kyron disappeared.” – - it was part of a different (abandoned) thought.)
Just for info, photo of H’s truck’s rear-window decals:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5588306
I’m wondering how long it was after Kyron disappeared that somebody decided it was an unknown SZ or SO who took him.
Was it almost immediately, or a few weeks later? Were they focusing more on TMH and KH at the start? Seems from a few of those other Kyron discussion groups that everyone was focused on Terri, not a SZ.
And I STILL don’t understand the casual trip to the gym when Kyron was just missing. I will NEVER understand that – how your little boy is missing and you just go out to pump iron.
Plus. Re the Mustang vs. the Truck and the “day before”, I don’t remember when Kyron’s display was taken to the school, but it seems it would be squished a little if they tried to stuff it into the Mustang along with the baby seat and a little boy. So it was probably the truck that went to school with the display. (I just don’t remember the day) Haven’t been taking notes, probably should.
@erose. re KH & TH having things to hide. So too does PPS, specifically administrative supporters of Keefer who had & still have him on a rocket promotional track. Imo if someone at the school was involved, it was likely someone he hired or approved to work there without adequate background checks or supervision.
There was an early interview I saw recently with a local college prof criminologist, retired le, who listed the scope of an initial investigation which included a SZ possibility to rule out, SOs, all family members and their associates, all school personnel, all who knew the boy like coaches & their circles, neighbors etc it was a very good list. I’m sure LE was doing that. Their failures imo were 1) to involve the public, 2) letting KH & Youngs fixate them on Terri, 3) overestimating the poly if it cleared her on the abduction, 4) letting school off hook, 5) letting SAR Sgts drive the investigation
@VW re NWSC Newsletters & MCSO. Then they’ve never read about internal investigations, personnel & promotions. Imagine their reading Herron’s questioning techniques as told to a high school intern, or a longtime river patrol worker promoting into Detective to be placed in charge of this case. The public has an undue trust in paternalistic authority figures there or is incurious.
Word Girl will appreciate this Adam Gopnik article. I especially like paragraph 4 & it applies to this case for those of us who’ve come to depend on Blink.
http://m.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/04/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-is-found.html
I know that I keep banging the same drum, but what adults involved in this disappearance are looking for KYRON. He is a little boy lost.
Why no police updates, sketches of SZ, and as earlier said the people of this community need to find this child. Pooling pictures, videos, hiring an expert investigator, whatever it takes. It just seems to me that there are too many self-serving adults putting their interests first.
Many if Kyron is found, all of this tom-foolery would go away.
Is there any mention in media or from LE that they even acknowledge existence of SZ?
Brian Gardes
Just found out one of the teachers is leaving my school.June 1, 2010 at 9:49pm
Debbie Keefer I heard a rumor…..
June 1, 2010 at 9:50pm
Brian Gardes
Thursday is the day the Principal is Out at an all day meeting.
It is also the day everything at a school goes haywire.June 3, 2010 at 10:36am via iPhone
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9317.740
IDK, but maybe this has something to do with why LE was requesting video from June 3.
(I was always thinking this was posted on June 1, and he was talking about the prior Thursday, now I see it came from his phone on June 3….so something was going “haywire” on that morning, the morning of June 3.)
Wasn’t there a report of a 911 call to the school the previous week or did I make that up. This has been going on so long, I’m confusing myself. (Prolly not hard to do anymore.)
RedRose says:
April 20, 2013 at 1:18 am
And I STILL don’t understand the casual trip to the gym when Kyron was just missing. I will NEVER understand that – how your little boy is missing and you just go out to pump iron.
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Terri and Kaine went to the gym because LE told them to go do their regular routines.
LE knew that part of their daily activities was going to the gym and they encouraged Terri and Kaine to go. LE probably wanted Kaine and Terri out of the house so they could do some snooping and talk to Desiree and Tony without Kaine and Terri being there.
No. 14 @ cd
Is it possible that KH convinced LE that maybe he could get some info out of TH by keeping their regular schedule together???? Could he have worn a wire?
Back in Oregon:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/04/logan_storm_appears_in_court_o.html
Hope they appoint a better lawyer this time.
@CD I’ve only seen one of them say in an interview he continues to go to the gym daily, & I think he said 2 hours. I have never heard a Dr or PT or Sports Trainer say to an adult to do a real work out more often than every other day. So if current behavior aligns with past, Kaine was someone who didn’t want to vary his workout routine.
cd says:
April 20, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RedRose says:
April 20, 2013 at 1:18 am
And I STILL don’t understand the casual trip to the gym when Kyron was just missing. I will NEVER understand that – how your little boy is missing and you just go out to pump iron.
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Terri and Kaine went to the gym because LE told them to go do their regular routines.
LE knew that part of their daily activities was going to the gym and they encouraged Terri and Kaine to go. LE probably wanted Kaine and Terri out of the house so they could do some snooping and talk to Desiree and Tony without Kaine and Terri being there.
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I will add my two cents, I think Kaine was possibly wearing a wire and LE (particularly, IMO TY) pushed them in this direction. I also think that this was absolutely instigated by LE so they could go in and bug the house. Which would totally explain Terri feeling she needed bat phones (where the heck did that term ever come from?) to make any kind of call. All JMO.
erose says:
April 19, 2013 at 11:38 pm
I don’t think KH physically took Kyron. And apparently TH did not physically take him either. So where does that leave us?
A random abduction.
An abduction by someone Kyron knew (teacher, coach, neighbor).
One or more of the four parents inadvertently put a target on his back.
One or more of the four parents involved one or more parties to abduct him.
(snipped)
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erose, I love your thought prepossesses, IDK, maybe because it goes with mine, lol.
The only thing I cannot totally agree with…..yet…..is that Kaine Horman did not actualy pick up Kyron from the school at some time that day. I agree, probably not, but….we have never, ever been told that he is not suspect, nor have we ever heard of his timeline.
Meanwhile, in the event that information actually comes out to say he was not there and has an alibi, I agree with 100% of your post.
erose says:
April 19, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Not that it matters, but I read DAD’s arrest that he was the prostitute. Anyone else get that, or did I get confused?
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erose, I for one, didn’t see that. The arrest report info I saw said in “prior arrests” arrested for “prostitution”. I remember asking here (and elsewhere) if anyone (hoping!!) someone could give me the info, about whether Durham was the prostitute or the *John*. Never got an answer. This info is not trivial, in any way, IMO, should he have something to do with Kyron’s disappearance. And in fact, in hindsight it’s most probably not trivial in the shooting of officer Dobbs either. (Hmmmm, connection I never even thought about before. )
@RedRose. I vote for taking Storm off suicide watch.
It appears to me if the charge (haven’t seen it erose) is “prostitution,” it’s the person turning the trick, a misdemeanor. imo if DAD it’d be male on make.
http://oregoncrimes.com/prostitution.htm
http://convicted.me/crime/prostitution
The question in DAD’s case is who’s the John, or who’s
his “social secretary” who lines up his appointments for a cut.
And as a trickee, I bet he was a hostess on his Sauvie plantation.
But don’t see the tie-in to Kyron unless he was a driven pedophile.
Did he volunteer in youth sports, at the school, martial arts studios, in churches, with boys?
correction: male on male. gee whiz.
@TRuth,
A john in this story (Portland) is charged with *solicitation of prostitution* not prostitution.
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After the undercover officer gives the signal, she walks away and the “custody team” of uniformed officers rush the man about to be charged with soliciting prostitution.
http://eastpdxnews.com/general-news-features/street-sex-prostitution-blooms-on-avenue-of-roses/
Another possibility wrt to the FB gym statement could be that she was letting someone know she could be contacted in a neutral place. IOW, Maybe LE sent them there to see who would show up.
It is my personal belief this is where the recorded conversations take place because LE wired the car.
Also why they are going to have a rough time with evidentiary standards should they ever indict TMH.
B
@erose. when’s the date of the charge relative to DAD termination at fire house?
if before, imo that’s likely the termination cause.
And if DAD sold self sexually for $, as opposed to promiscuity without $ income, one asks the $ motivation as he had a regular paying job. Most likely explanation for extra income would be drug dependence or need for drug mfg income. Or, he was under the influence & control of a pimp. I think drug dependence the most likely explanation due to cognitive and behavioral deterioration.
Before the shooting Sunday night, state court records showed only minor offenses in Durham’s past. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor prostitution charge in Portland in 1999, and had citations for speeding in 2000 and not wearing a helmet on a motorcycle in 1993.
(snipped)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20029625-504083.html
That article went on to say DAD was let go for “unspecified emotional problems”.
FWIW, Kaine Horman, when asked, refused to answer the question about whether or not he wore a wire at any point in time.
@Rose
Before the shooting Sunday night, state court records showed only minor offenses in Durham’s past. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor prostitution charge in Portland in 1999, and had citations for speeding in 2000 and not wearing a helmet on a motorcycle in 1993.
(http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20029625-504083.html)
@Rose,
01/30/2011
David Anthony Durham, a resident of Sauvie Island, for the past six years, was a Sauvie Island Volunteer Firefighter, and nominated himself for director in 2007. Six months ago he was removed from active duty for erratic behavior.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-17/
…the recorded conversations?
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It is my personal belief this is where the recorded conversations take place because LE wired the car.
Also why they are going to have a rough time with evidentiary standards should they ever indict TMH.
B
I noticed in this clip of Terri and Kaine leaving the gym where they refuse to talk to reporters that Kiara is not with them. So was LE watching the baby for them when they went to the gym?
http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video&c=y
(at 2:4 in clip )
MockingbirdSings says:
January 30, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Before the shooting Sunday night, state court records showed only minor offenses in Durham’s past. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor prostitution charge in Portland in 1999, and had citations for speeding in 2000 and not wearing a helmet on a motorcycle in 1993.
(http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20029625-504083.html)
I don’t have his exact birthdate, but the prostitution charge would have been about age 31.
167.007 Prostitution. (1) A person commits the crime of prostitution if:
(a) The person engages in or offers or agrees to engage in sexual conduct or sexual contact in return for a fee; or
(b) The person pays or offers or agrees to pay a fee to engage in sexual conduct or sexual contact.
(2) Prostitution is a Class A misdemeanor. [1971 c.743 §250; 1973 c.52 §1; 1973 c.699 §6]
I can’t say for sure this charge matches the statute since I don’t have anything but the CBS story to go on – it’s just my best guess.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-1/#comments
@Rose,
I agree with male on male, and my interest is if he were involved with one of the parents, or a LEO. It is an old charge, and as MbS research points out, he could have been the john. I still lean towards john’s usually having that solicitation word in their charges.
Did a volunteer fire department have knowledge of, or participate in and with illegal behavior of LEO’s?
Looking at that CBS link, it states he plead guilty to “a prostitution charge” which could mean either, or. I guess it’s worthwhile considering both aspects. I guess in ’99 he was either hard up for money or sex.
Maybe DAD didn’t have an injured arm at all. Maybe he was just getting paranoid because he had a reason to be paranoid. If he had some sort of affinity for prostitution, maybe he was involved in a prostitution ring. The FBI had busted one in Eugene/Springfield area that was using Craigslist, December 31,2009.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/12/three_charged_with_pimping_und.html
http://dailyemerald.com/2012/05/22/saldana-human-trafficking-isnt-just-a-third-world-problem/
Seems there was a lot of this going on around:
Ex-Sherwood officer found guilty of misdemeanor prostitution
http://blog.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/2008/06/exsherwood_officer_found_guilt.html
@No. 31
Blink, thanks for the clarification. I had thought that KH was wired. The “car” makes more sense.
FWIW….and thanks for the insight/comments on DAD. (I hope ask more questions when I get a chance).
REGARDING DAD.
I never knew he had arrests for “prostitution” in the sense of himself being available of money. I had read that there was ONE case of his soliciting, or something, a prostitute.
But the reason I was asking about a connection between DAD and KAINE is this:
Many, many posters have suggested over the last 2.9 years that Kaine had connections with the taverns, steroids, and/or people in general that would promote that world of swinging, topless dancers, and dubious “things we don’t know of” connections with the “underbelly” of the Sauvie/Forest Park athletic but free-wheeling middle-class.
What IF…and I admit this is a big IF….TMH really was planning on divorcing Kaine. They might have been having a terrible time the winter and spring of 2010. It was obvious that Kaine didn’t have a clue as to the workings of the household during that time. Just watching TMH spend his money. I do know that TMH filed for and went through a contracted process for James to change his name to Moulton before she sent him to Roseburg for the second semester of 10th grade. A good move, academically, from what i know about the drug culture in the posh Lincoln HS group. But why the “security” of the name change?
So, back to theory…IF Kaine knew DAD…hung out with him at the bar…he would know that DAD was a fireman. And a (volunteer)fireman that knows that area….knows that there are many underground and above ground areas that could never be checked. So DAD might have known the Skyline School and grounds and nearby and EXPANSIVE groves of dense forest VERY well. Volunteer firefighters might also be called to the school to educate students on the area, getting lost, what to do when there is an emergency, etc. So he, DAD, may have had access to Skyline before june 5th.
So, here’s the crux of my suspicion….what if Kaine hired, or convinced DAD (a nice guy) to go get Kyron? To insure a smooth process by which to get sole custody of Kiara, too. He could have known, btw, that Terri, unlike Desiree, would never let him have Kiara more than weekends, if at all, if there were a divorce.
What if he had just expected DAD to hold him for awhile, until after the divorce. But something….weeks, months—-later something happened that was overseen. An allergy to bees? or an accident? How would the world ever believe that he had not SOLELY planned to kidnap Kyron but was acting out of an agreement with a friend.
What if DAD, realizing that something had gone REALLY BAD and/or that the divorce was NOT going to give Kaine Kiara right away…panicked by January.
In January things got out of hand. Couldn’t face his own guilt but couldn’t go to the police. In fact started envisioning that Kaine had told them to go after him. Started to run. Only chance was to get away. Maybe another part of the world.
Could he have stashed Kyron someplace else and then run? Or If Kyron had had an accident?
I admit the above scenario makes Kaine out to be extremely ice if he has a part. Do we know if Kaine’s demeanor changed in January? We know that Kaine was the first in June to hush Intel and the family.
We do know MCSO went immediately to DAD’s home when the Lincoln City cop was shot. And we know from the brother that DAD started acting strange in June, 2010. Brother blamed it on pain pills, but was that certainly the cause and only the cause of the behavior?
Past with prostitutes, topless bar near Sauvie, losing job and volunteer assignments, can disappear himself, is proximate to the school. Could be mistaken from far away as TMH. Paranoid around police. Nice guy and might do anything for a friend.
If MCSO is alluding to DAD behind the veiled “investigative leads-any-day-now” curtain, should we be
expecting Kyron and our Sauvie Island (Cancun?) boy to come out of doors #1 and #2?
Kinda doubt it. They couldn’t even find Stenson…who was driving a tractor and watching the stairs to Kyron’s room.
JUST IMOO …….. cuz we prolly aren’t going to get much on this case publicized any time soon. But the behavior of DAD as a suspect in relation to this case is technically more “criminal” than the alleged MFH and “hateful” emails that are alluded to but not shown.
BTw and very OT…I discovered why my baby Kale is eaten up. SW Portland is OVERRUN by squirrels! Some people think they’re cute but ‘m going to become a gun owner if i can’t find a way to keep them off my deck Anyone know some herbs to plant to keep them away cuz barriers aren’t helping.
This makes total sense to me, vw, and seems like a very likely possibility. Plus, watching the news, KH would have known where DAD was after the police officer was shot, could have somehow helped him get away.
It’s a small area – SI, the bar, the Horman area …someone from SI wrote somewhere that everybody knows everybody there. Creepy thought, though, to think about KH involved in prostitution with DAD – but remember – LE says they know things they wish they didn’t. Well,IMO they are BOTH fairly creepy. Poor little Kyron, to be in the middle of any of that.
By the way, vw mentions about TMH ‘spending all his/KH’s money’. Maybe she was stashing $$ in prep to leaving him?
Getting someone to lure Kyron out of the school (and DAD and Kyron may have known each other – did anyone ask?) as part of a plan to dump TMH makes a lot of sense.
I wonder what excuse KH would make if Kyron shows up …”oh, maybe five years down the road….”
However, if DAD escaped into National Forest land and bumped into any of the illegal “herb” growers down there, it’s possible nobody would ever find him. But it’s also possible that KH helped him.
Question #2. Was James ever James Horman (meaning Kaine would have adopted him)? What name did TMH change James name from?
Question #3. Will anybody say where KH was that Friday morning? Will anybody say (maybe the folks at the bar) if KH really knew DAD? –and why isn’t anybody leaning on DAD’s brother or mother, who would ordinarily had some kind of contact with DAD?
They found Logan Storm. Why can’t they find DAD?
Good post, vw, good theory.
@vw says: April 21, 2013 at 3:11 pm
So, here’s the crux of my suspicion….what if Kaine hired, or convinced DAD (a nice guy) to go get Kyron? To insure a smooth process by which to get sole custody of Kiara, too. He could have known, btw, that Terri, unlike Desiree, would never let him have Kiara more than weekends, if at all, if there were a divorce.
What if he had just expected DAD to hold him for awhile, until after the divorce. But something….weeks, months—-later something happened that was overseen. An allergy to bees? or an accident? How would the world ever believe that he had not SOLELY planned to kidnap Kyron but was acting out of an agreement with a friend.
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If Kyron shows up 5 years down the road, KH will put it down to his successful Awareness program.
One of the things that bother me about KH is that he has frequently said, “blah blah…so Kyron can come home safely.” Seems such a strange thing to say. If Kyron is alive, he is not living in the woods by himself, he is with somebody. KH has never said, “whoever has him, please release him” or “let him go” or anything that implies kidnapping. so Kyron can come home safely implies IMO that a condition must be met before kyron can come home, otherwise it would not be safe. maybe safe for KH!
vw, I like your theory too. KH has a history of planning to nab the kids, as we know from D needing an RO against him. this time he was proactive.
@vw. I don’t think responsible blogs that have no verified source have suggested Kaine has done those things. The only verified source I remember is Kaine’s pic with Glen Anderson, owner at one time of Bottoms Up, in the manner of a friend. And a reasonable woman could’ve sought divorce without any steroids or swinging etc from her spouse.