Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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I just can’t believe it has been 3 years. Today is sad, my heart is heavy. Godspeed Kyron, we love you and will never give up hope.
Rollermonkey says:
June 2, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Terri is keeping her mouth shut for more than one reason. It behooves Terri not to talk. Kyron is not who or what is important to Terri
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Rollermonkey, what is important to Terri?
Well, there was a news *blurb* about Kyron this morning and him been missing for 3 years now. They showed the age-progressed picture. The reporter said “investigators are still getting tips”. This made me very sad. IMO, they are no where’s near solving this case.
I agree with cd, I don’t think DDS is under anyone’s focus other than perhaps her cousin’s.
@wpg says:
June 4, 2013 at 1:12 am
When I first read that years ago, that comment sent shivers down my spine and made me go WTF? “you don’t know what their *angle* is?”
Creepy. JMO
wpg says:
June 3, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Almost 3 years ago . . .
Like other missing children, a facebook page was set-up for Kyron.
Unlike other missing children, a facebook page was set-up shortly after for an adult.
It was like Kyron wasn’t the most important, like his disappearance and what he as a 7-year old little boy could be going through was minimized, like it was some kind of competition.
Never seen anything like it. It blew my mind.
Don’t know whose idea it was, but a little boy who was not there to speak versus an adult who could?
It was the facebook page that began the facebook dominoes.
Just plain wrong, imoo.
Where is Kyron?
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wpg, refresh my memory. Which FB page was started right after Kyron’s? IIRC, Beck Owen, or someone outside the family started a FB page for Kyron right away and then it was closed. Can anyone do a FB timeline? You’re right, it is weird and the *teams* began.
God Bless Kyron and all missing children. I hope the DNA upon arrest decision made by the Supreme Court, though controversial, results in finding some of them and bringing their loved ones closure.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Hormans-dad-still-hopeful-after-three-years-210008521.html
3 years after he vanished, Kaine Horman still hopeful for Kyron’s return
Interesting this, and somehow I overlooked it. August 6, 2010:
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Skyline-principal-appears-before-Kyron-grand-jury-100159649.html
(snipped, more @link)
KGW has learned that Skyline Elementary School principal Ben Keefer appeared before the grand jury on Friday.
***Earlier this week, investigators asked the Portland Public School district for a list of employees.*** KGW has learned that several other school employees have been subpoenaed by the grand jury.
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Just another thing that makes me go hmmmmm? If they were asking PPS for an entire list of personnel, way back on August 6, 2010, how is it they neglected to ask for the log in information from Skyline? Or, had it already gone *poof* by August 6, 2010?
3 years after he vanished, Kaine Horman still hopeful for Kyron’s return
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Hormans-dad-still-hopeful-after-three-years-210008521.html
I guess no news is good news.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-Hormans-dad-still-hopeful-after-three-years-210008521.html
Can someone please explain to me why if his parents truly believe someone his holding Kyron against his will, why neither would specifically address that individual or individuals instead of things like.. hey, can’t wait to get you back in the fold.
I think of this sweetie boy every day. I think of many victims, and I try not to as well on certain days. The rest is just rinse and repeat of the same thing I have been saying for 3 years. God Bless you Ky- you are loved and you are missed by many of us who have never met you.
B
3 years to change strategy, 3 years to reflect, 3 years for the anger to set in, 3 years.
MockingbirdSings says:
June 4, 2013 at 10:52 am
This article made me angry for some reason. I am heartbroken, of course, for Kyron but angry too. Kaine’s comments sound the same as they did two years ago… not the “we are on the brink of discovery” comments he was saying publically when he wanted to stay the divorce. Is this a damn game to him? I’m sure without a doubt that he desperately misses his son, but damn if he isn’t annoying. He must know (or maybe he doesn’t) that people are clinging to the hope that LE is on the brink of discovery, based on his words and theirs. Making canned comments in this article like “we miss you man” and tips are still coming in is irritating as hell.
Sounds like Kaine also changed his mind and has decided that Kyron has not suffered some “unimaginable harm” at the hands of his estranged wife. Hmmmm, someone needs to spread the word to his followers.
Kyron phone home. Huh?
I had just recently read about Cody Haynes. What a darling little boy. Dimples as big as crescent moons. So sad. If those are his remains, may justice prevail.
http://www.skyvalleychronicle.com/BREAKING-NEWS/SECOND-THWARTED-CHILD-KIDNAPPING-IN-PUGET-SOUND-ON-SAME-DAY-1370087
Same link that Rose posted. This type of thing has been recently going on in Eugene Oregon as well. Some dude tried to take a little girl by going into the house in the living room while mom was in the kitchen. Can you believe it? She came out just in time to see him trying to pick up the child and he took off. These dudes are getting more and more ballsy.
Sometimes I hate that I live anywhere near I-5, because I believe this is the fast track to child trafficking. I was just thinking, maybe we need check points at the state borders again, but instead of looking for fruit-flies, we open up the trunks, etc. and look for missing children. This just makes me sick, it’s just happening too darn frequently, it’s got to be about $$$$$$. Most likely $$$$$ to support drug habits. It needs to be stopped!!!!
Cody:
http://www.dailyrecordnews.com/paywall/top_story/team-searching-for-cody-haynes/article_c51233c2-cd3a-11e2-974b-0019bb2963f4.html
(snipped)
The private investigators turned up remains on Stevens Road south of Vantage Highway Monday night.
Kittitas County Sheriff’s deputies responded, but found the remains were not, as some reports said, human bones, Undersheriff Clay Myers said. They included a coyote jaw and possibly a cow knuckle. One fragment is still being analyzed.
Myers said no one should give up hope, but no human remains associated with Cody Haynes’ disappearance have ever been found.
“Our hearts go out to the family. The Kittitas Police Department, the FBI, the Sheriff’s Office, we continue to do all that we can on this case,” he said, adding that he worried the hubbub about finding human remains Monday night does little but generate false hope and could hurt the family.
“Anyone who does that sort of thing, it just tells me they have no experience in investigations, they have no experience in grieving families, because it’s counter productive,” he said.
FTLOG
B
Rose says:
June 4, 2013 at 10:41 am
what a disparity. This mother of a missing 9 yo boy cold case tried to raise $2500
for a PI & raised $75. But she went forward. http://www.gofundme.com/1aqm4k
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Maybe Kaine Horman will sponsor Cody Haynes on his BKH Foundation and help her out. That would be nice and would aspire to their mission statement.
Desiree, according to this reporter in the video, is hoping to coordinate a new search with the help of Portland LE. ?????
Video: http://www.ktvl.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/ntvl_vid_7412.shtml
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-20712-murmurs_when_the_going_gets_tough_seek_a_promotion.html
Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton is mulling the idea of turning in his badge for a run at a seat on the county commission. Staton, sheriff since 2010, confirmed to WW that he has met with Multnomah County Commissioner Diane McKeel—whose East County district includes Staton’s Gresham home—about running for her seat.
(snipped, more @ link)
@Blink, I’ve wondered that for 3 years! Why don’t they ever address the person holding Kyron? They never have, not at first, not now.
if you go to this website, look on the left side for educator lookup and put in Benjamin Keefer’s name, you can see what he is up to and his credentials
http://www.oregon.gov/TSPC/Pages/index.aspx
I think this is an interesting article. possibly some reporter’s impression of new information even though there is not a shred of it. They believe they know what happened but can’t prove it. Sounds like DA will be asking for more abatements and stays come august. I also wonder if Kaine attended this meeting.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Three-years-later-investigators-still-working-Kyron-Horman-case-210128321.html
I was hoping to see some sort of statement from LE today when I stumbled upon the Staton/commissioner article.
I wonder how the parents of Skyline kids feel now? Kyron’s friends’ parents. Three years have gone by and no arrest of a step-mom. Do they wonder if it could have been a stranger now? Do they ask questions? Do they listen to Kaine speak as if Kyron is alive and well, just waiting for the chance to phone home and compare that to his “unimaginable harm” accusations of earlier? Has everyone, including TP’s family, put all their faith in LE, when it’s clear that Kyron’s own mother, Desiree Young (a police officer’s wife no less) has lost that faith?
IDK, just things I wonder. I feel like there should be questions being asked that aren’t, and answers that should be given. I think grasshopper said it upthread “accountability”, that is what’s missing. Has Judge Kantor received some accountability of which we are unaware? Why, to this day is there no firm accountability from the school as to what time this and what time that happened, as to an excused or unexcused absence? Why didn’t the parents of that school demand it? Are we the only ones still asking questions?
I’m glad Mr. Horman feels hope. Desiree does not sound very hopeful. The difference between their persona’s today is an ocean apart.
I will just keep asking questions I guess. For Kyron, where ever you are, buddy, I ask them for you.
wish the kgw hacks would ask why in view
of all that SOLICITED donated funding
he hasn’t hired a PI like Corey’s Mom,
who had MUCH less money, did?
@Blink. re Haynes.
last Fall Mother spent time
fundraising a little bit to hire the PI
who chose the dog searcher. Took
about 6 months to get boots on
ground after Mom’s new push.
“Three years later, investigators still working Kyron Horman case”
(snip)
Three years to the day since Kyron was reported missing, the case is now under the supervision of its third lead investigator. Part of that has been because of normal promotions but part of the rotation has been to keep bringing in fresh perspectives.
People involved in the search know that it’s easy to hear the name “Kyron” and assume the case will never be solved; to think that the case is on the back burner.
It’s not.
They want to talk publicly about the case, about what they are doing, about their frustrations, their emotions. But they can’t talk in detail to reporters for the record. There’s too much at stake.
(snip)
They want to talk about how they feel they are getting closer; about how every week they are able to eliminate theories, which brings them closer to what will be resolution.
(snip)
Investigators won’t talk publicly about the tens of thousands of cell phone records that have been sifted through – and the thousands more still to go. They won’t talk about the surveillance they have done and the wiretaps they have listened to.
Recently – for the fourth time since the investigation began – there was a meeting with not just those directly involved in the day to day probe but people from outside agencies as well.
The purpose was to get some fresh eyes on the case, see what’s been done and see if anything jumps out. It was a chance to take the long view, the view from on high. People who had not been living the investigation examined the roads taken and made some suggestions about the roads that hadn’t.
While those involved in the investigation will tell you that they have a strong idea of what happened, they will also concede that they are a long way from being able to prove it.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Three-years-later-investigators-still-working-Kyron-Horman-case-210128321.html
@mbs. the troubling part: ““We just want you back,” Kaine Horman said, “so we can get back into that groove, and get you in with us to experience everything that we’re experiencing today.” Imo this is a statement detached from the reality that is Desiree. As far as therapy, imo it’s only as good as the underlying diagnosis guiding therapy. And I would be shocked if a therapist who is a PhD or PsyD psychologist, or psychiatrist, has evaluated Kaine. Imo first he & his attorney would perceive it jeopardy in divorce. Second, to get evaluated & get treatment you must perceive you are psychologically symptomatic in a way that causes pain or dysfunction to yourself or others in daily life. Public statements by Kaine fail to demonstrate that level of insight. Rather, like this statement, au contraire. I do not understand with her ex’s repeated statements like this, Desiree doesn’t prioritize litigating Kyron’s custody.
for that matter, that snip is wholly detached from the reality that is Kyron. He needs a Court appointed guardian.
Oh, and Haynes sibs got immediately put under State guardianship even with Mom & Dad in the picture.
So enough probable cause when the kid goes missing but not enough to do anything about it. How noble.
B
Rose,
imoo, TH should have communicated with DY after DY publicly pleaded for her to “fully cooperate”, instead of letting those particular avenues of angst continue for everyone.
For the love of Kyron and finding Kyron I would liked to have seen a clear public statement from TH or her legal immediately.
The public facebook that was set up for TH floored me. It would have been nice to see an equally public request from TH to take it down and keep the focus, energy and resources on finding Kyron.
oops, sorry Rose, my comments were in response to T.Ruth.
Sorry, T.Ruth.
@wpg. not to me, but I concur with yr statements about TH.
Desiree has a nice letter on Missing Kyron FB
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Three-years-later-investigators-still-working-Kyron-Horman-case-210128321.html
Recently – for the fourth time since the investigation began – there was a meeting with not just those directly involved in the day to day probe but people from outside agencies as well.
The purpose was to get some fresh eyes on the case, see what’s been done and see if anything jumps out. It was a chance to take the long view, the view from on high. People who had not been living the investigation examined the roads taken and made some suggestions about the roads that hadn’t.
I seriously don’t think anyone wants me to comment on that daydream of an article.
B
T. Ruth says:
June 4, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Interesting this, and somehow I overlooked it. August 6, 2010:
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Skyline-principal-appears-before-Kyron-grand-jury-100159649.html
(snipped, more @link)
KGW has learned that Skyline Elementary School principal Ben Keefer appeared before the grand jury on Friday.
***Earlier this week, investigators asked the Portland Public School district for a list of employees.*** KGW has learned that several other school employees have been subpoenaed by the grand jury.
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Just another thing that makes me go hmmmmm? If they were asking PPS for an entire list of personnel, way back on August 6, 2010, how is it they neglected to ask for the log in information from Skyline? Or, had it already gone *poof* by August 6, 2010?
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my view based on what I know –
@T. Ruth – It depends on what is meant by “log in”. To date, I have never been to a school around here where staff would not check in (and out) using a log sheet and pen or pencil in the main office, noting the time. They also pick up mail and notices for the day, etc. The secretary would have this information but would need district approval to share it. I would not expect that to be destroyed since the information could be used as a backup for payroll disputes, evaluations (tardy employees), or whatever. We were also told that if we failed to check out properly when leaving the building for another school or an appointment, any accident which occurred might not be considered work-related.
However, since attendance was done on classroom computers by 2009, teachers would also have to log in to their computers (other staff, not so much). They would also receive emails from the district (tons) and others. The computer log in’s wouldn’t tell when a person actually came in or left – the computer could be on all day with a person out of the building for a time. Many staff members would not have computers for this purpose but would still have to sign in and out. It was up to the principal to be sure people complied with this – I know some who didn’t do very well – but if that (written) information disappeared, I would be really suspicious about why. I cannot imagine a single employee who wouldn’t recognize the importance of this information.
Of course, we know there should have been a visitor’s sign-in, but there was not. However, after the science fair closed in the morning, the office sign-in for visitors should have gone back to normal – one would think . . .
MockingbirdSings says:
June 4, 2013 at 10:52 am
Blink says:
I agree, and I am not being critical of kaine. I am being critical of what i perceive is the lack of support structure apparently and plan to reach out to whomever they believe has his child.
Can you imagine? If God forbid I thought someone had my baby I would be pleading into the camera that if they would not turn him in at some location, that I would beg them to take care of him, not harm him, and when their conscience got the best of them, I would never give a rats ass where he was or with whom if they would give him back. And that would be the truth. Because the reality is if one really believes as he says he does, that Ky could be watching tv and hearing this, then he believes whatever TMH manipulated it is not a plan of murder but one of just keeping him away from him.
I say this like any of this seems logical at all. He was 7 years old, I don’t get it. I hope like Hell all these people that are so sure TMH is guilty of something relative to his disappearance cause God Forbid if they find out that was never the case. I could not live with myself.
B
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@ Blink – Well, I was trying to be tactful, I guess, but I like your way better.
Regarding Algebra, J. T. Homberg, etc. –
The state dept of education provides a directory every year which includes every school of any type in Oregon and an alpha list of (some) school staff members covering the entire state. One purpose of this directory is to facilitate records requests for new students. It appears the individual teacher names’ section was omitted from the directory sometime after 2006-07. I checked to see if I could find Homberg, but did not.
When I first came to PPS, middle school kids were bused to the high school and took algebra and geometry along with the high school kids. Not long after, the buses were deemed too expensive. Then it was left to the middle school principal and staff to determine how to meet the standards required to earn high school credit. The course content had to be the same level as the high school classes in algebra and geometry, and the grade had to be “C” or better. Students had to have their middle school principal sign off on whether the high school should grant credit. A grade of “A” (for example) in middle school algebra would not automatically mean it would earn you high school credit.
Even though a student earned high school credit in middle school, those credits did not count toward the number required for PPS high school graduation – the goal was to push kids to take higher math classes, not have them graduate early. Also, courses which receive high school credit have to be approved by the state – it isn’t just a district decision.
I won’t address content since it is OT, but generally, I will say that the social component of working as a team on math problems, often theme-based, worked especially well with kids who did not have family support, economic resources, and other encouragements to pursue higher math in spite of obvious ability. Some programs were developed by a friend of mine and his University of Portland students specifically for our students.
Perhaps the move toward an IB program at Skyline led to getting a more qualified math teacher with the goal of high school credits – my degree and certificate allowed me to teach through 8th grade, but I would not have been considered a qualified high school math teacher. Didn’t we read that some of the Skyline fundraising went to the district to support staff salaries? The way I read the links, it doesn’t appear to me (JMO) that JT Homberg was there as a staff member in 2009-2010.
http://www.katu.com/news/Three-years-later-investigators-still-working-Kyron-Horman-case-210128321.html?m=y&smobile=y&clmob=y&c=n
far more reportorial than kgw or OLive.
Colin actually says he interviewed multiple LE searchers, none of whom can talk for attribution. His final sentence clarifies LE remains focused on TMH as “the one who did it.” Alarming though to me is that “recently” fresh outside agencies critiqued search avenues not taken. Doesn’t sound like productive new investigative leads exist to me if that is correct & occurred after Nov 12. In any case, if it was before abatements, he refers to avenues not taken to be ruled out, not affirmative leads. Thank you Colin for a reality check on the Affidavit Spinmeisters of the DA Office.
Rose- I respectfully have a totally different view of that article, except I believe that if he actually interviewed LE off the record, and I am not at all convinced his sources aren’t a tin can with a string and advanced smoke signal decoding with a seeing eye smoke detecting dog, they were adamant it is TMH, always will be TMH, and that is their only suspect.
B
Is LE trying to communicate to the public off-record?
I have tried to have faith in them all of this time, hoping that they just couldn’t talk about the case, but were still working and maybe even making a little progress. Still, I can’t imagine what could possibly be going on that is so hush-hush…
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Three-years-later-investigators-still-working-Kyron-Horman-case-210128321.html
I am fixin to hurl with such hogwash.
Not you bumble, lol, the article is ridiculous, sourceless and factually incorrect. Not to mention if he actually is speaking to any LE, which he intimates and then says they cannot speak to any media, he is fielding calls left and right for stating that with the outrageous amount of agencies and overtime paid out over this case, they still have THOUSANDS of cell phone reports to go through. They had their 4th meeting in 3 years. Does that dude have the first clue about criminal investigative protocol or perhaps the Oregon criminal process and procedure?
How does “they CAN get an indictment” when they have sought one unsuccessfully translate in this piece to others?
I worked on Blinkette’s research paper with her this evening on a short by Hemmingway. She has more integrity in her piece at 16 than Miner in that hot mess of a daydream or requiem for a dream.
B
T. Ruth says:
June 4, 2013 at 12:22 pm
I agree with cd, I don’t think DDS is under anyone’s focus other than perhaps her cousin’s.
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Hi T. Ruth,
I don’t know if this is directed at me or not. I am not suggesting that DDS is under anyone’s focus,currently, and my comment was in reference to FlyMonkey’s involvement over at Scared Monkeys’. It did seem to me at the time that DDS might be an attention seeker, throwing herself in the middle of this whole thing (staying with TMH, the people interview, FlyMonkey bringing more attention to DDS when I was of the opinion the focus was getting away from her, etc.) MOO.
I think that was my name from earlier, but I forget.
I used to read here daily but life got busy and despite the fact that I still think about Kyron I don’t get to follow you all. I read the KATU article today and got pissed.
I honestly believe our law enforcement officers have failed the Portland community. I don’t believe Terri was directly involved and there insistence that she was/is has allowed the real perp to get away and evidence to be lost. Besides the perp getting away I think they don’t have any chance that this case will ever be solved. It is so sad!
Rose says:
June 4, 2013 at 7:28 pm
@mbs. the troubling part: ““We just want you back,” Kaine Horman said, “so we can get back into that groove, and get you in with us to experience everything that we’re experiencing today.” Imo this is a statement detached from the reality that is Desiree. As far as therapy, imo it’s only as good as the underlying diagnosis guiding therapy. And I would be shocked if a therapist who is a PhD or PsyD psychologist, or psychiatrist, has evaluated Kaine. Imo first he & his attorney would perceive it jeopardy in divorce. Second, to get evaluated & get treatment you must perceive you are psychologically symptomatic in a way that causes pain or dysfunction to yourself or others in daily life. Public statements by Kaine fail to demonstrate that level of insight. Rather, like this statement, au contraire. I do not understand with her ex’s repeated statements like this, Desiree doesn’t prioritize litigating Kyron’s custody.
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@ Rose – totally agree with every word. I thought he said early on that he was seeing a counselor, not that I put much stock in that. There are counselors and then, there are counselors. If I had to guess, I’d say maybe Intel, as do many other companies and PPS, has a contracted counseling service as an employee benefit and he might have taken advantage of whatever was provided. It doesn’t require much of an evaluation to talk about how to deal with stress, grief, etc.
I cannot imagine how painful a custody battle for a missing child would be. It does make me wonder what Kaine’s reaction would be if he lost custody to Desiree, or even to the state.
Has anyone seen anything that would indicate Charlene Woods of the DA’s office is an ongoing, active participant in this case?
Does it seem to anyone else that the PERVERTS are out at this time, the anniversary of when we lost Kyron?
What I’m wondering is how those dimwits think. Would there be some psychological event in their own lives or an anniversary or some other event that makes them go after little children on a particular day?
Another thing I’m wondering about the PERVERT who took Kyron (OK, OK, SZ, to be politically correct…) is this — do these people eventually feel a need to tell someone what they have done, or do they just keep it all to themselves. Forever?
Sad day today. And really there is NO hope coming from the 3-year updates by kgw/koin/katu stations.
Even by KGW’s standards, having heralded the 2010 gossip, there is really no conviction any more that TMH was guilty of any crime:
“His ex-wife Terri was questioned but was never named as an official suspect or person of interest in the case, which is being led by the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office. Civil cases over the past three years have claimed Horman was in some way involved.”
What I found interesting is that NONE of the stations mentioned the upcoming “investigation doors that are being opened”.
Not one. Not even Koin, who suggested that they were in “consort” with what LE was thinking.
Those “investigational DOORS” were actual affidavits written by Staton and Underhill. But no mention of them now. Why?
Because LE is now presenting the case to “fresh eyes” to look at it again?
That sounds like the antithesis of “investigational doors” being opened.
Time is running out for LE. The FAPA may just be contested this time.
And/or the Divorce abatement be dropped?
Was it just me, or did Kaine not mention TMH in any of his interviews?
Meanwhile, kids are trying to be snatched all over the northwest. Mothers….stay alert!
@Portlandmeg says
I agree with you. I believe LE has failed our community in this case. Their single minded insistence that Terri Horman “did it” though they still have not the faintest idea what was done or how it was donel let alone where Kyron is, has prevented them from doing a comprehensive investigation, probably because after all this time and all those millions of dollars spent trying to make their case against Terri, they dare not admit that they were wrong. The article speaks of wire taps and surveillance, of whom? Terri? Dede? Those are the only people ever mentioned. Every news report reminding us of this anniversary mentions terri, suggesting she is the guilty party through the words of Kaine and the lawsuit of Desiree. Yet no evidence has ever been produced to justify this. They continue to beat this drum and put off admitting their screw up. It’s time they be honest with people. They went down the wrong track, ignored the actual crime scene, and have tried, unsuccessfully, to concoct a case where there was none. And as you Portlandmeg says say, the actual perp is getting away with this crime. If not Terri, then some other member of the family? If not a family member, if a stranger, then those Skyline students and possibly many other students are in danger.
Snipped from:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Three-years-later-investigators-still-working-Kyron-Horman-case-210128321.html
(Parenthetical comments by VW)
It should not be a surprise that investigators looking into the disappearance of Kyron Horman three years ago from Skyline Elementary School in Northwest Portland have a pretty strong idea of what happened to the child.
More than a dozen law enforcement agencies – with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office at the lead – including every single police department in the metro region as well as numerous federal departments including the FBI and the DEA have been involved.
Three years to the day …. the case is now under the supervision of its third lead investigator. Part of that has been because of normal promotions but part of the rotation has been to keep bringing in fresh perspectives.
People involved in the search know that it’s easy to hear the name “Kyron” and assume the case will never be solved; to think that the case is on the back burner.
It’s not.
They want to talk publicly about the case, about what they are doing, about their frustrations, their emotions. But they can’t talk in detail to reporters for the record. There’s too much at stake.
Yet, still they talk amongst each other and with others. This reporting is based on the conversations they have and have been related to KATU.
They want to talk about how they feel they are getting closer; about how every week they are able to eliminate theories, which brings them closer to what will be resolution.
In the three years since June 4, 2010, they have conducted far more than 1,000 interviews – some 900 alone were conducted with the staff of the school, as well as the children who went there and their parents.
Thousands of tips have been pursued from all 50 states and more than a dozen countries around the world. They still get anywhere from 15-75 a week.
There is not a notion too fantastical for them to pursue. (Especially if they get overtime to spike retirements for pursuing it).
From murder victim to being sold into sexual slavery to being kidnapped by gypsies, one would think that there is not a possible fate of Kyron that they haven’t explored. But every week new ones come over the transom and the search continues. (Are these the “doors” that are opening?).
They don’t trumpet what they are doing for several reasons, including the fact it’s an active investigation. Furthermore, beyond the criminal probe there is also pending civil litigation. (And the “doors” above, slammed the civil cases shut?).
Investigators won’t talk publicly about the tens of thousands of cell phone records that have been sifted through – and the thousands more still to go. They won’t talk about the surveillance they have done and the wiretaps they have listened to. (and, certainly, they won’t give Houze access to them).
Recently – for the fourth time since the investigation began – there was a meeting with not just those directly involved in the day to day probe but people from outside agencies as well.
The purpose was to get some fresh eyes on the case, see what’s been done and see if anything jumps out. It was a chance to take the long view, the view from on high. People who had not been living the investigation examined the roads taken and made some suggestions about the roads that hadn’t. (Have we heard the “fresh eyes” before? Task force, anyone?).
While those involved in the investigation will tell you that they have a strong idea of what happened, they will also concede that they are a long way from being able to prove it.
It’s one thing to get an indictment; it’s another thing to get a conviction. (Where the heck is the “new” grand jury? Didn’t get an indictment in August, 2010. Indictment was “coming down” IIRC)
They could obtain an indictment but they are still not where they need to be – which is to be able to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s a different standard and they don’t want to get an indictment until they can clear that second, higher bar. (Really, they CAN get an indictment? Then the divorce suit would be a fait accompli for Kaine?….sure would CYA for LE to not be up on the hot seat in the divorce and have to beg for an abatement so Rudy and O’donnell won’t have to be deposed)
You won’t hear any of those involved in the case talk the case. You won’t hear them talk about how they won’t rest until they have eliminated every single possibility except for the one that points to who did it. (WELL, there are MORE than 100 RSOs in Portland….if they interview 900 Skyline and how many other of TMH’s friends, etc….how many RSO’s did they get to?)
Colin Miner, assignment editor at KATU, has been covering the case since the day Kyron was reported missing on June 4, 2010.
(IOW….. Colin Miner is has not done any real investigative reporting)
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/kyron_horman_task_force_to_dis.html
Their multi-agency task force has looked at registered sex offenders in the area of the school, the Horman home, visitors to the school that day, and others who may have made cell phone calls that were routed to cell phone towers near the school, the Horman home and Sauvie Island the morning he disappeared.
Nor will they speak about the unsuccessful bid for an indictment apparently.
B
“I haven’t seen anything in any of the state’s filings, even including the ones under seal, that would indicate anything specific that would lead to the conclusion that by next August the state will have found a suspect in Kyron Horman’s disappearance,” Bunch said.
http://www.kptv.com/story/22503928/kyron-hormans-father-three-years-later-its-still-a-void
[Note this article doesn't even say Kyron disappeared from school.]
When Kyron Horman disappeared from his Portland neighborhood police launched a search spanning across the west.
http://ktvl.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/ktvl_vid_7421.shtml
At least at one time I posted here Woods was the Supervisor of the linelevel attorney drafting affidavits & appearing assigned to this case. iirc Woods had gotten promoted to that position. can look upthread 8-12 months for Woods urls.
oh and that linelevel attorney was wired in some way.
can’t remember, but I believe in the “relative of ” category.
I’m always ready to defer to a seasoned & experienced take.
This was mine as well that LE’s POV (if interviewed) is it is TMH,
always will be TMH, and that is their only suspect.”
What else do you see in the katu piece by Colin?
To add to my previous response, an egregious lack of understanding of investigative protocol with multi-agency discipline of a missing child and the subsequent questions about the current state of the investigation it prompts. If DY is engaged in a civil tort which part of it’s burdens present the theory (as a good faith basis) is that Kyron has crossed state lines, where is CART in this?
I know what Colin ( I believe) was driving at with the “4th meeting”- it is commonly referred to as a SMART team- I think we are up to 9 of them in the Kesse case. The bottom line is this. ALL members get a presentation from the lead investigators instead of what I would call a baseline approach of raw data. It is inherently skewed if, as we know, there suspect is who it is.
Lastly the line “They can get an indictment” would be laughable if this were not so serious. They can? Now that is a breaking news item.
B
just read the next response. Cancel my question & thanks for the answer.
Now I was just relieved someone was looking at the
investigation by talking to LE rather than barfing out a Kaine quip.
But you are right.
And so are you if he indeed was speaking to anyone in LE. I did notice 100% of the coverage yesterday did not include the line “TMH was the last person to see Kyron.” It was distanced permutations.
B
hard to be more inaccurate or factually useless & irresponsible than koin:
(snip) “His stepmother, Terri Horman, reported being the last person to see him before his disappearance. ”
How did Terri saying she last saw him about 8:45 am translate into Terri saying she was the last to see him?
http://www.koin.com/2013/06/04/kyron-horman-last-seen-three-years-ago/
This is a very insular town with a public that gets exercised on some issues (ie med
marijuana) and not others (ed funding & ed standards; police competence, corruption).