Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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@mbs http://www.martindale.com/Heidi-Heim-Barker/1507007-lawyer.htm
related to Jeffrey Barker of Beaverton http://www.mylife.com/l-heidi-moawad-e36376326036
6 prosecutors from top (underhill/Frink to bottom Demers/Barker-Moawad)
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/multnomah_county_das_office_ha.html
2 supervisors of Moawad/Demers were not named. One was Woods. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/district_attorney_and_sheriff.html Moawad wrote last fall’s affidavit. Before Horman case as a rookie prosecutor she caught much critism in the press for the manner in which she handled a prior trial, so she had some animal case(s) in between.
Her Dad http://www.leg.state.or.us/barker/
Hmmmm. Moawad recently “promoted up” to an apparently well-matched position.
https://touch.www.linkedin.com/?sessionid=8073050436141056&rs=false#public-profile/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpub%2Fheidi-moawad%2F7%2Fa02%2F6b8
So sad today. The KH’s pleading seems soft…not pleading….but, more matter of fact. Maybe it’s his personality, but I just don’t get it. Maybe he hasn’t yet come to grips with this situation and just what may have put his son in harm’s way.
From the KATU article:
“Investigators won’t talk publicly about the tens of thousands of cell phone records that have been sifted through – and the thousands more still to go. They won’t talk about the surveillance they have done and the wiretaps they have listened to.”
Translation: We know exactly what happened, but don’t have a shred of evidence.
From O-live:
“Their multi-agency task force has looked at registered sex offenders in the area of the school, the Horman home, visitors to the school that day, and others who may have made cell phone calls that were routed to cell phone towers near the school, the Horman home and Sauvie Island the morning he disappeared.”
Translation: after we have ruled out the other 299,999,999 persons in America, we will arrest TMH.
My real question is: Does LE have actual evidence that TMH is somehow involved? or is she the focus of the investigation because they have no other suspects? I assume the wiretaps and surveillance are related to TMH, so that makes it fairly obvious why she is hiding out and not speaking to the public.
Interesting …. from Colin’s article;
“Three years to the day …. the case is now under the supervision of its third lead investigator. Part of that has been because of normal promotions but part of the rotation has been to keep bringing in fresh perspectives.”
But we don’t even know who the new one is. Keith gone? A deputy put in charge now? A corrections cell babysitter looking for overtime? Why would that too, be underwraps? Would corrupt the “investigation” if the public knew who to call if they had a real siting of Kyron?
IMO…this whole article was just a PR piece for MCSO. To those who know the case it is Stating nothing. But to those not knowing this case, it’s disturbing that MCSO is being held as a shining light, ready, as the Texas Rangers, to pounce once the elusive proof is in front of their noses.
@rose
“His stepmother, Terri Horman, reported being the last person to see him before his disappearance. ”
I think that passive voice is in keeping with the rest of the article’s spirit…..tell nothing, and if you can’t tell nothing, confuse with an innuendo that TMH is deliberately “confusing” everyone, and hence guilty.
And, of course, allude to an indictement, conviction coming……any day now.
Hope everyone is having a sunny day. Beautiful in Portland!
@mbs says:
It was up to the principal to be sure people complied with this – I know some who didn’t do very well – but if that (written) information disappeared, I would be really suspicious about why. I cannot imagine a single employee who wouldn’t recognize the importance of this information.
**********
Me too and me either. (Thanks for your input, always valuable.)
@bumble
Was just agreeing with cd, comment wasn’t directed at you. I think Dede is history. She plead the fifth during depo’s as a result of LE’s fixation on TMH being the culprit and therefore, because of timing LE knows TMH needed an accomplice or it was not possible for her to disappear Kyron that morning. (Remember all, DDS was not the only friend of TMH to undergo extreme scrutiny/questioning/lie-detector tests.) This is a circumstantial case LE is trying to build around their theory and LE tried to circumstantially involve DDS, as well as others. It didn’t work.
As I was saying earlier, IMHO it is time to move on and look elsewhere. If all these LE agencies haven’t been able to connect TMH to someone who disappeared Kyron, then by golly, maybe she’s not even connected. Maybe someone else is, maybe not. As Blink says, LE believes Terri Horman tried to have her husband killed. (They apparently, can’t prove that, but that’s what they believe.) This is why they think she disappeared Kyron. Thing is, they can’t even prove that theory either.
So we have not one, but two crimes that LE still, 3 long-overtime- years later, can’t get enough on to indict TMH, Dede or anyone else who was ever under their suspicions in order to make their theories work. With their theory, Terri had to have an accomplice(s) in order to disappear Kyron.
Maybe I’m underestimating Ms. Horman, but I just don’t think she’s that smart. IMHO, we need to look elsewhere. And again, until LE tells me, JQpublic, who is cleared in this case, no one is, but I’m looking elsewhere, being as I think Terri/Dede have been looked at under the most powerful microscopes all these agencies have and they have nada. We found BinLaden, but can can’t find a TMH accomplice? Could it be because maybe they don’t exist?
AMOO
What would I be doing if I were TMH and my husband, his friends, people in town, LE, etc. thought that I abducted or planned the abduction of my step-son? Everyone has turned on me and why?
I could scream at the top of my lungs my innocence, but those who already made up their minds would scream louder. So, I sadly sit in silence as my baby girl and step-son have been ripped away from me. My life is destroyed. I await with hopes that LE finds the person who stole my child. My soon to be ex-husband makes odd statements of faith for his child’s return. His bio-mom makes speeches at conferences. I want to help, but am forced into solitude in fear. I hired an attorney to protect what little is left of my civil rights. I pray for Kyron’s safe return as days turn into weeks, weeks into years.
I still have a feeling that Kyron was possibly somehow incapacitated in that school and removed via some sort of container, or he was abducted and instantly pushed into an awaiting vehicle. I don’t like this theory, because it leads me toward Kyron being deceased, but it still makes the most sense. If I think about this, and I ask myself, okay then, why didn’t anyone report seeing a stranger that day? My answer is, because whomever did this was no stranger. This is scary as hell to me. If I had children, or for me, that would be grandchildren up there, Id’d be scared to death. I would be demanding LE tell me why I should not be concerned. LE “cannot say it was not a stranger abduction”!!!!!!! This statement as far as I have seen is still a fact. Good grief, where is the concern?
I don’t understand this at all.
Colin’s report said TMH herself said she was the last person to see him.
We know that reporting is a fabrication.
Hope Houze asks for a retraction.
I too am curious regarding Rollermonkey’s comment that it “behooves” TH to stay quiet. How can this be? She is a prisoner to her Parent’s home. She can no longer bond with her baby girl in any way. Even if, perhaps, someone might have in any way forced her back up against the corner to force her to remain silent regarding Kyron’s abduction, this case will not just “go away” and if, perhaps, TH does know more information it can only be a matter of time before she will spill due to the fact that she has already endured unfairly in the matter(s), if so be the case.
I’m also curious as to why Rollermonkey hasn’t responded back yet. Hope everythings ok and whatnot.
@ Cindy: Exactly!!!
@T.Ruth: a drug would easily subdue Kyron. Either injection swiftly given or one of those sprays. Probably not that hard to get ahold of one. (I visited the Spy Museum in Washington DC several years ago and the spray has been around for a long time.) Place him in a container and take him outside in full view of anybody who happened to be watching. an unconscious and pliable 7 year old wouldn’t take up much room. who would do this? probably not a teacher though possible, more likely another staff member or one of the volunteers. or another parent. Wonder if they took search dogs into the school to sniff around. I heard that they did and one “hit” on a closet but have no idea if that is true.
@vw. some time ago I posted urls to current investigator. He’d been a river patrol. He arranged search & rescue. I put up a url to a high schooler who wrote about her sr project riding with him where he explained interview methods to her. which iirc were tre laughable as implemented in the interview he told her about
OMG no homicide or child abuse investigative experience? Tell me you are kidding.
B
@vw re “. Part of that has been because of normal promotions but part of the rotation” It’s the current guy who got promoted to Det. to assigned investigator. Why bios don’t have a hizzy fit at that assignment idk.
@TRuth. My opinion us SZ simply said what the man in the recent walking-home-from-bus attempt abduction said to the young boy: “Your mother sent me to get you.” Followed by : She’s waiting outside. Since Terri had just left, this would make sense to Kyron. She had something to tell or give him & didn’t want to haul Kiara back inside. A push into his van out the door. So easy. The key was to pick a boy whose mother had been observed just leaving…waving bye in the hall. To me the container & carryout is too complex, cumbersome, & risky.
Why isn’t the press asking the name and credentials, status, reasons. I got news people, it is public information with a narrow scope that info would fit through.
B
I wonder why MCSO & PPS don’t acknowledge a schoolbased
abduction during an open house is so easy.
That is so not a real rhetorical question from you Rose- lol.
*Snark Warning*
B
Sorry, long day. 2 kids trying for DL next week, so
daily Hours behind the wheel of un-a/c car with little crazy people.
this page top to bottom, mostly bottom, summarizes with the urls the history of mcso-assigned investigators, their supervisors, and strengths/weaknesses of same, thru the posts of various people
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/11/27/kyron-horman-missing-civil-suit-against-terri-horman-delayed-and-sealed/comment-page-43/
Just a reminder that turned up in an article today. At least they made an attempt to remind the public of all the lost Oregon kids. (Kyron is the first in the set of 69 pictures.)
Ubaldo Sanchez-Mejia
Ubaldo Sanchez-Mejia and his sister Jamie were allegedly abducted from Portland, Oregon, by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez, on May 19, 2010. A felony warrant for Custodial Interference was issued for Elsy on July 27, 2010. Jamie has a mole on her upper right cheek. Elsy may go by the alias last name Mejia-Puerto.
Jamie Mejia
Jamie Mejia and her brother were allegedly abducted from Portland, Oregon, by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez, on May 19, 2010. She is 8 now. A felony warrant for Custodial Interference was issued for Elsy on July 27, 2010. Jamie has a mole on her upper right cheek. Elsy may go by the alias last name Mejia-Puerto.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Bring-Them-All-Home-43-Oregon-kids-still-missing-210294401.html?tab=gallery&c=y&img=30
I agree with vw, Colin’s report came right out of Staton’s mouth. Nothing we haven’t heard already directly from him: how frustrated he is that he can’t tell the public what they know, how many hours they’ve put in and the thousands of tips they’re still getting, how they now know where Kyron is not, how they no longer look at things they first looked at…..blah, blah, blah. I’m not saying they don’t want to solve this case. Of course they do. We all want Kyron home and we all want to know wtf happened that allowed a little child to disappear from “inside” a school. IMO, the “good idea” that the investigators have as to what happened, isn’t panning out. Let’s hope they have more. Or whomever these new eyes are do.
FWIW, I think Colin meant to say that Terri “was reported” as the last person to see Kyron, not Terri reported.
Rose, maybe I am misunderstanding you? If school based abductions are so easy, why are they so rare? Certainly one is too many, and if you are the parent of that child, it doesn’t matter if they are rare or not. But I have only been able to find a few, including the 5 yr. old in Philadelphia in January; the Gresham student in the 70s, and a girl, I think, in Mississippi this year. Or there others you are aware of? Kyron is the only one I have seen that has been “successful” if you can call it that, meaning that he is still missing.
quoting myself
” Rose says:
March 27, 2013 at 11:42 am
See 5/12/11 Interrogation – Day 2 at 5:33 by kppr
http://m.catlin.edu/taxonomy/term/388/all?page=18
On this date Mr Herron is a line level Deputy assigned to River Patrol
working under the supervision of Brett Elliott. He also is and
had been “a” SAR Coordinator. This student (high school?) describes
Herron orienting him to interview techniques. This was subsequent to
Herron interviewing a suspected burglar. In that case he went to the burgar’s (home?),
talked him into coming back to the Office with him to be interviewed (no Miranda warning),
and conducted the interview alone without a colleague witness.
@Grasshopper. does your source known when after 5/12/11 Deputy MH was made a Detective
& assigned to Kyron’s case.
@ budget researchers. After the Task Force concluded in mid-2011, is there any budget testimony or evidence
as to how many full & part-time Detectives were assigned to this investigation?
I am thinking the current case “investigators” are those working out of the DA’s Office (wasn’t one a retired PPB?). Their purpose imo would be to obtain evidence for grand jury presentation re the “focus” of the DA’s investigation.”
” Rose says:
March 27, 2013 at 12:36 pm
http://www.katu.com/news/local/121985859.html?m=y&smobile=y
Sgt Krafve is “the lead detective” on the dissolving Task Force. 5/11
now supervises the Detectives Unit, which has 10 Detectives and includes subunits such as Human Trafficking & Cold Cases
http://www.mcso.us/public/detectives.htm
I doubt with this Admin work load he is personally “detecting” on Kyron’s case.
” Rose says:
March 27, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Ridiculously, Answering myself as to when Herron changed jobs.
Herron had been promoted from a River Patrol Deputy to a Detective in the Detectives Unit of Investigations by 08/12
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Body-found-floating-near-Steel-Bridge-IDed/CmUBHh5TGkyJHOJmA5wExg.cspx”
That bottom link did not work for me Rose, but I did call the 84 year old Powerball winner and he feels I am to old for him.
What to say really? I mean no disrespect, but seriously- river patrol?
B
@Panda. Easy (at a crowded open house during school hours when most parents are NOT present) doesn’t mean lots of sadistic pedofiles have figured that out. I suspect most prefer frequently used sidewalks & parks by walk alones, scouting previously.
After all, how many el eds have “drop in hours” for crowds advertised to the public online & on billboards during school hours when many working parents won’t attend? (with open unmonitored doors & no sign in sheets to boot? ZERO in my County, and most Counties. Why the BOE hasn’t given Carole a notice of no renewal is beyond me. And that’s behind Alg 1 being a middle school 7/8 course in most average publics now.
84 yos a she but take a look at her son (unwed?) on her arm. Prob still too old for you.
hate to reinvent my wheel–I’d just cy’d my prior posts. Will find o’er time. last winter Det Herron was mcso assigned investigator. Previously a river patrol Deputy of many yrs & a SAR cpordinator on Kyron dating to 2010.
Wtf would Ned Walls assign a homicide or CA Detec? Look what happened to Herron’s previous Supv, B Elliott.
LOL
On the investigative backgrounds I am at a loss. Anything I say at this point reads negative and ends with wtf. Frosts my shorts in this case.
B
I thot the on board investigators were attached to DA’s Office anyway
By the known description of the SZ, is it confirmed that the SZ is male and not female?
Confirmed as to witness accounts as male.
B
@Rose: to answer your question from that previous post
“@Grasshopper. does your source known when after 5/12/11 Deputy MH was made a Detective
& assigned to Kyron’s case.”
No, not the exact date, but it’s someplace in the meeting records of MCSO in 2012. And further on it should be noted that there are only 2 working on Kyron’s case that the source is aware of, one of which is Keith Kravfe.
If Kravfe is still one of two still working Kyron’s case, then how much has really changed in two years?
May 2011
There are 68 binders filled with 4,500 leads that investigators like Sgt. Keith Krafve, the lead detective, have spent 11 months following and piecing together. Krafve says they still receive tips, including one from the state of Maine on the day a reporter was allowed into the epicenter of the investigation.
For search and rescue coordinator Sgt. Travis Gullberg, the day Kyron disappeared is burned into in his memory.
The sheriff said he’s in discussions with the district attorney on how to proceed. More details on what that plan is should be available in a few days.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/121985859.html
Translation of “in discussions”
Underhill ” What I need to take this to A N O T H E R grand jury is X”
Staton: ” What you need I do not have.” “What about Y or Z”
Underhill: “I am not going in front of a second grand jury without X, I already presented Y and Z. No dice.”
Sigh.
B
Staton: Can’t you feed something to Rackner again and see if we can get X?
@T.Ruth. “I still have a feeling that Kyron was possibly somehow incapacitated in that school and removed via some sort of container, or he was abducted and instantly pushed into an awaiting vehicle….”
Interesting you mention that. I had lengthy convos with a bright woman from Seattle about this, during the first year of this case. If that were the case, yes, it lessons the chance of Kyron being among us and not in the Arlington land fill. Or immediately on the I5 byway. But also could be DD who might have known the school well. Or a janitor/part-timer that LE will never learn of as the records were lost for that day. And they didn’t, though they claimed 900, interview ALL Skyline. Otherwise, Stenson, two months later, would not have had to come to them. That “white-truck” fiasco in itself, btw, should have gotten the attention of the FEDS, ATTORNEY General…..someone…to get that case away from Underhill/bobby/staton/gates… and into COMPETENT hands.
And, yes, sloppy reporting on the “TMH reported she’d been the last to see him”.
Rose says:
June 5, 2013 at 5:48 pm
I wonder why MCSO & PPS don’t acknowledge a schoolbased abduction during an open house is so easy.
1. They’d have to acknowledge their incompetence, and give up their “lead”.
2. They never looked at the case as a whole.
3. They believed the hype that small, public but “private” IB elementary schools were always “safe”.
4. They never did the research find out how safe an “open house” is for children when access doors are all open.
Do you find it a bit disconcerting that by Tuesday, june 8th, Gates was saying that he thought the case might be wrapped up by the end of that week? TMH had her first poly over the weekend, DY, TY, and Kaine the first two days June the following week. My guess….fingers were about to wag within days.
@grasshopper
mark herron was promoted from river patrol deputy to detective by 8/12 and was the lead line level for Kyron then
Kafve was lead at the time the task force dissolved in 2011. However, He got promoted off that assignment.
In 2012 he was a Supv of ” the Detectives Unit, which has 10 Detectives and includes subunits such as Human Trafficking & Cold Cases
http://www.mcso.us/public/detectives.htm
I doubt with his Admin work load he is personally “detecting” on Kyron’s case.
Now that link above was good March 27 2013, but like other links I posted in march, no longer works.
mcso has a newly designed web site with imo is graphics intensive but useless pr. it doesn’t work on my cell
phone, so I can’t look for Kafvre now, but in March he was a higher up Supv of Kyron’s Det and imo not active on the case. I hope your source isn’t Terri-related, or she’s way out of the loop
imo.
Staton started out actively communicating with The Green Hirnet Newsletter but petered out in Spring 2012.
http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs011/1102356663680/archive/1102464063745.html
Anyone running against this Sheriff?
There is an org chart on the new website. Kyron’s case is housed under Ned Walls on that chart. Under him is a category “Detectives.” In 2012 Krafve was promoted to head this unit. Herron, assigned to Kyron at least in 2012, is in this Unit. The new site also has a page profile of Walls, but features 2 of his other units. I find the new site all about graphics rich PR & pretty useless for research
Rose says:
June 5, 2013 at 9:03 pm
And that’s behind Alg 1 being a middle school 7/8 course in most average publics now.
———————————
Algebra 1 and geometry were always offered in middle schools. The issue was (before Carole’s time) that many kids were coming to high school expecting to (and allowed to) start with the next levels of math, but not doing well because they weren’t well prepared or one school would get farther through the course material than another, etc. High school teachers were reviewing and re-teaching rather than moving on in the curriculum. Kids and parents were frustrated and counselors were trying to keep kids from failing when it wasn’t always their fault or lack of ability – using tutoring, creating prep classes to get back on track, etc., but kids ran out of time before they could complete as much math and they needed for their career goals. Kids who were on track were frustrated with the situation as well. So –
They tried saying that middle school algebra and geometry wouldn’t count for high school credit and kids either took it again in grade 9 or did placement tests and moved to the appropriate math level without getting that credit (not essential to graduate).
Then in order to standardize math courses and simplify the whole mess, an agreement was put in place to cover what was expected for high school algebra and geometry credit and if you proved you met that standard of competence, and your principal approved, you got the credit – even in 7th grade sometimes. But you still had to earn the full number of credits required for graduation after you enrolled in high school.
As a counselor, knowing the history and the varied populations PPS serves, I wouldn’t change anything about the math credit arrangement at this point. JMO.
Whoa, I never realized this….
http://www.kgw.com/news/Buying-a-child-for-sex-still-not-a-felony-in-Oregon-210362631.html
Don’t have any idea who or where this poster is, but on the MKH site I found this post:
My son went missing 19 times in public school here. I didn’t know about it until his report card showed his absences and tardies. I never found out where he went during those times, and he can’t remember, but he was scared to death to go to school, and all my inquiries and school meetings concerning it were shrugged away by staff.
This was right after Kyron vanished, and all I could think about was how much my son resembled Kyron, and only lived about an hour away. Of course the worst things on earth enter your mind when you find out your child went missing.
I was scared to death to let my son go back to that school for second grade after going missing so often in first. I wasn’t permitted to volunteer in the classrooms, or have any presence in the school, but I was assured by staff that my son could not have been abducted during those times because of security gates.
My sons first week of second grade I tested that theory and gave a teenager my permission (unbeknownst to his school) to pick my son up from school and walk him off campus, just to see if anyone would say anything at all. 40 minutes after school started my son was standing outside the cafeteria, no one questioned him or directed him back to class. My neighbor walked on campus through a propped open gate just in front of the office, and he walked my son by the hand through the school, in front of the office, and out the front gate. The principle even waved goodbye to my son as they left. I’m not saying all schools are the same.
I thought my son was safe at school until then. I took measures, I specifically directed that school to never allow anyone to pick my son up ever. Not even if I called ahead or made plans. No one was on his pick up list either. I did record this incident. I reported it with the school board and showed them the videotape and photos. I was assured it would never happen again, but I was also told by the school board that if I sue, they will prosecute my friend for kidnapping my son from their school… Even though I gave him permission.
Ultimately I made the decision to remove my son from public school altogether. Even now I keep Kyron in the back of my mind, and I search for him while I walk my son to his small guarded private school. I cannot be sure my son was not abducted during those missing school days, and so Kyrons disappearance hits so close to home here.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602329499798651&set=a.125436494154623.14645.125336750831264&type=1&theater
Scary stuff if true.
Another interesting post, which I hope is not true.
Sherry Holcomb I still don’t understand why the man I talked to said he saw the same truck mentioned and a boy fitting the description of Kyron and tried telling all sorts of law enforcement and was never visited or questioned about his report??????????????????????????
2 · Tuesday at 10:52am
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602329499798651&set=a.125436494154623.14645.125336750831264&type=1&theater
Same link. Why would someone post this in the comments on MKH??? Just a sending error or something? Strange:
Kathleen Davis Record Verification
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Registration Due Date: 06/02/2013
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The renewal fee is:
Registration Fee: $88.00
Total Registration Due: $88.00
If you plan to store and not operate (PNO) this vehicle, then:
The renewal fee is:
PNO Fee: $19.00
Total PNO Due: $19.00
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WARNING! Planned Non-Operation (PNO) means the vehicle will be stored and not operated on any public streets or highways after the expiration date. If you do operate this vehicle on any streets or highways after the expiration date and have not paid the full registration fees, you will be required to pay substantial penalty fees in addition to the regular renewal fees. (Reference Vehicle Code Sections 4604, 4604.2 and 4604.5.)
Planned Non-Operation (PNO): Yes No
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interesting new article by bernie giusto about the investigation
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/10-opinion/154043-kyrons-case-still-haunts-cops-the-public
FWIW, I was looking at the SF attendance list. I am not from Oregon but one thing does stand out to me, minor child of Kathleen Schreiter. Who did she attend the fair with?
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/09/07/kyron-horman-disappearance-exclusive-three-part-series-debuts-on-blink-on-crime/comment-page-2/
@nate0419
http://www.anewtradition.com/obituaries/obituary/4584_Ellen_Carmel_Regina_Cullen_Kepic
If you look up Kathleen’s named daughters, you will see one was age 10 in 2010, the elder one has a nice Rose Princess bio on line & was 18 in 2011 when it was written. Idk why the 9 yo would be listed if she attended Skyline. There are only the 2 in the obit. Maybe her cousins were at Skyline and she went with their parents.
I agree with Rose, easy pickings, but luckily not common.
Panda says:June 5, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Rose, maybe I am misunderstanding you? If school based abductions are so easy, why are they so rare?
MockingbirdSings says: June 5, 2013 at 7:17 pm “Ubaldo Sanchez-Mejia and his sister Jamie were allegedly abducted from Portland, Oregon, by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez, on May 19, 2010.”
Have we put to rest that Elsy Mejia-Sanchez and her children are related to Rudy? Or, is there still a question about their relation.
Blink, Re: the witness who accounts for SZ. Was he described as the “creepy looking dude walking around the science fair” or non-descript? I think you’ve said non-descript. If so, I wonder who the “creepy-dude” was. Do any names on the list correlate with someone who looks creepy? Then again, the word “creepy” out of the mouths of babes, could mean anything.. lol
Rose says:
June 6, 2013 at 2:15 pm
@nate0419
http://www.anewtradition.com/obituaries/obituary/4584_Ellen_Carmel_Regina_Cullen_Kepic
If you look up Kathleen’s named daughters, you will see one was age 10 in 2010, the elder one has a nice Rose Princess bio on line & was 18 in 2011 when it was written. Idk why the 9 yo would be listed if she attended Skyline. There are only the 2 in the obit. Maybe her cousins were at Skyline and she went with their parents.
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I did see that obit. I didn’t see anyone with the same last name as the family members mentioned.
@ nate…
obit kepic.
“daughters; Kathleen Schreiter and Vicky Wasteney, son-in-law;
Randy Wasteney, daughter-in-law; Caron Kepic, grandchildren; Katie Kepic, Casey, S… & S… Schreiter, ”
daughter kathleen. no son in law. Granddaughters S & S – same last name as Kathleen.
@ grasshopper. TY for link.
What an empty windbag tho.
Rose says:
June 6, 2013 at 3:26 am
@grasshopper
mark herron was promoted from river patrol deputy to detective by 8/12 and was the lead line level for Kyron then
Kafve was lead at the time the task force dissolved in 2011. However, He got promoted off that assignment.
In 2012 he was a Supv of ” the Detectives Unit, which has 10 Detectives and includes subunits such as Human Trafficking & Cold Cases
http://www.mcso.us/public/detectives.htm
I doubt with his Admin work load he is personally “detecting” on Kyron’s case.
Now that link above was good March 27 2013, but like other links I posted in march, no longer works.
mcso has a newly designed web site with imo is graphics intensive but useless pr. it doesn’t work on my cell
phone, so I can’t look for Kafvre now, but in March he was a higher up Supv of Kyron’s Det and imo not active on the case. I hope your source isn’t Terri-related, or she’s way out of the loop
imo.
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I sure got that one wrong. Guess I’d better ask Kaine if I want up to date info on the investigation!
ask Kaine? ask Kaine. imo he’s not in the loop either.
not so long ago he said in some TV sound bite
he was not briefed in detail
but was sure they were working hard
maybe last Nov
Missing boy in Eugene…he is 13 but small at 4’6″…he looks a little like Kyron. I do not know any other details.
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https://www.facebook.com/missingnorthwest
Adrian is approximately 4’6″ and 70 pounds. He has red hair and blue eyes. He was last seen wearing a red jersey, white plaid shorts, tan sock with red dots, and black shoes.
http://ceapps.eugene-or.gov/epdpubliccad/cadday.aspx?date=06/06/2013
Eugene police dispatch report with missing person call.
@ nate…
obit kepic.
“daughters; Kathleen Schreiter and Vicky Wasteney, son-in-law;
Randy Wasteney, daughter-in-law; Caron Kepic, grandchildren; Katie Kepic, Casey, S… & S… Schreiter, ”
daughter kathleen. no son in law. Granddaughters S & S – same last name as Kathleen.
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Sorry, I should have said no family members with the same last name on the SF list.
Nate,
“minor child” 17 years old
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/05/3-years-later-where-kyron-horman
So who is this Steve Alexander at MCSO. And why no mention of “investigative leads” being pursued?
Is Houze keeping track of all these 3-year updates, ostensibly by LE spokespeeps, that make NO MENTION of the “investigative leads” on the brink of busting this case wide open. By AUGUST?
Hope Kantor is listening.
Wonder if there is behind the scenes custody and financial agreements being made now. Otherwise, how long can LE avoid being deposed. It will never happen, in my opinion.
They will NEVER admit they tunnel-visioned. And hence will NEVER clear TMH. She might get some custody, and some allotment of the Oregon 50/50 divorce spirit. But unless she’s willing to counter-sue, she won’t get much retribution. All IMO.
I really don’t think it’s in her to do so. She doesn’t appear to be vindictive. Though I sure the hell would be!
vw- by law I do not believe counsel is permitted to have any direct discussions while the abatement is in place.
I have been saying for years that it is my opinion if Kyron is not recovered there will never be a prosecution in this case if/until SZ is arrested for another crime potentially and makes a deal.
If the flipping NYT can ostensibly withdraw their support of our President and Administration, you would think at least one Oregon reporter could attempt to ask an appropriate question at this juncture attempting to get to the heart of the matter on the record.
If the abatement is lifted I get the sense that Houze/Bunch are ready to come out swinging.
Again, the disparity between what is being reported (sans Guise) and the actual is astounding to me, but also reflective of the LE attitude apparently.
We can assume now that the last gj did not go the way of the Ramsey matter ( vote to indict and DA opts not to sign on due to his good faith assertion he would not secure a successful prosecution) if their is current gj activity. We can assume based on the witness list of the gj that the content of that investigation was at a minimum – regarding Kyron’s disappearance and at least tangenitally the mfh if not inclusive of both.
No offense to any ham sandwich lovers- but you see where I am going with that.
If there is nothing in terms of evidence to secure an indictment against TMH someone is going to have to explain to me, apparently slowly and in detail, why nobody is ASKING WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG???
Me thinks much of this has also to do with the fact that Houze will eviscerate a soft case. As I said when the tort was filed, if LE has substantive evidence of TMH involvement and it seems Kantor is at the ready to drive the trojan horse, why abate?
I will tell you why- because even then DY and KH will have no choice but to decry the whole mess and theory, and all of Oregon will know the price of ineptitude, and the padding of retirement while this child stays gone.
B
ETF: If it is not clear to most, the return or re-invention of transparency for our public offices, civil servants and positions of public trust are making a comeback- read your paper, watch the news in the National sections.
If you are not angry that NSA and the Obama Admin have access to say- review cell phone records of a dude who was on an FBI watch list and then apparently fell off to post Jihad crap all day and night online ( which they also had access to) then I don’t know what to tell you. If this were my community I would first be ashamed at the apparent non-reactions of most citizens and then I would move. If the civilization is going to be Orwellian than y’all better decide to take turns as big brother
@Grasshopper,
Regarding the article at the TRIbune. I’d have expected more from the Trib. Given that it has not the Oregonian’s “connections” and “obligations”.
Nothing, again, to really clarify the case. Merely a recap of the same story to sell the 3yr aniversary. Former MCSO G., like Staton, is……
“…a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” Macbeth Quote (Act V, Scene V)”
Sorry. IMO.
@nate. the older sister was then 17 & so qualifies as “minor child of” a parent not attending.
& probably was the 9 yo sister’s family in attendance