Kyron Horman Missing: Civil Suit Against Terri Horman DELAYED AND SEALED- Prompted By NEW LEADS
Portland, OR- As many of you have been following since June 2010, there is a new development today in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
As predicted at BOC, the civil suit brought by Deisree Young, Kyron’s Mother, against Terri Horman, Kyron’s step-mother and the defacto suspect in his disappearance has been granted an abatement.
In a sealed filing, motions by Assistant District Attorney Michael Schrunk and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton were granted, delaying the suit . The motions included supporting affidavits that continuing the action as already ruled would compromise the investigation.
The decision presents an ironic twist .
Terri Horman’s lawyers originally fought vehemently to abate the action, but were unsuccessful. As recently as last week, the Judge in the case ordered medical records to be accessible to both parties to the action.
In Judge Kantnor’s decision to NOT abate the suit at the request of Attorney Peter Bunch for Terri Horman, the Multnomah County Prosecutors Office declared “no position” on the matter after being contacted by the court.
It is not known if that order prompted the request to delay the suit .
Sheriff Stanton, Eldin Rosenthal, Norm Frink and Stephen Houze declined comment at press time.
On Monday, Judge Henry Kantor granted the motions to abate the civil proceeding and ordered the motions and affidavits filed by the district attorney and sheriff sealed.
A hearing had been scheduled for Dec. 14 to hear Young’s attorney argue before the court to compel testimony from DeDe Spicher, an alleged witness in the case. Today’s ruling is likely to render a postponement of that proceeding.
Sheriff Dan Staton, told Oregon Live, it is based on early leads that are now panning out:
“There are a couple of investigative pieces that are going to open up,” Staton told The Oregonian Tuesday. “Our belief is they’re going to open up several investigative doors.”
He said the new “investigative avenues” are based on information collected in the early phase of the investigation that are now yielding some results.
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#48 @vw 12:18a.m.
Your are talking to choir. AMEN
Sick and just up the street…
http://www.oregonlive.com/beaverton/index.ssf/2013/06/beaverton_police_officer_arrai_1.html#incart_m-rpt-2
Cops that cannot police their own with multiple opportunities to do so. What the Hell is going on anymore?
B
Something about the alleged mfh . . .
Kyron’s bowling friend’s father died in a motorcycle accident September 20, 2009 and there was an outpouring of support for the family from the Skyline community.
About 3 months (?) later the alleged solicitation of the landscaper allegedly occurs.
Would imagine one would have seen the family devastation from the loss of a father and husband in September. With that in mind, IDK what to think.
There was a community sponsored event in honor of Cat, which was cancelled by Kim Holm.
Gonna be honest, Ms. Holm is a subject I stay away from, their family has had some significant challenges. Her youngest son was Ky’s bestie- I presume you are aware the Villareal’s were in the landscaping biz? Ms. Holm has had some dependency issues.
B
Sorry, not September 20 – - – was Saturday, September 19, 2009.
to rehabilitate him, his police employer
gave him a volunteer assignment in a
police youthactivities program.
I think we need a WTF! button here because of the many shocking and appalling situations about which we are learning about.
Blink,
???? I’m not “focusing” on the V family . . .
I’m wondering about the alleged mfh via RS and TH’s observation of what Kyron’s friend would have been going through with his and his family’s loss.
I am not following wpg, but it may be me and those iron abundant fires.
B
Blink,
Let me try again.
If TH was aware of Kyron’s friend’s loss of his beloved father . . . would she put Kyron (and Kiara) through the loss of their own father, Kaine . . . as in RS’s allegation of TH approaching him with a mfh?
From that perspective ( which I admit I have not considered previously- but does not surprise me as you are seasoned critical thinker) I want to say that it could work either way. She could have been inspired by it in some fashion based on her situation, or as you posit- been deterred as a sort of peripheral witness.
Brilliant question wpg, I apolly if I missed the eagle.
B
O/T
There is a midnight news conference on the Kathlynn Shepard case out of Iowa
(in 2 minutes)
http://www.kcci.com/news/central-iowa/live-video-kathlynn-shepard-news-conference/-/9357080/20479758/-/isvjes/-/index.html
Thank you wpg, she has been found. Thanks be to G.
B
http://www.kcrg.com/streaming2
Still watching, but would like to give a shout out to the sole female reporter who showed up, who was not named.
B
I snipped this article to reflect the real story here. This is the one PDXRichie linked. This guy “touched a girl” when he was technically a juvenile (case was later dropped), covers for a friend who was convicted of child sexual abuse, so after he is reinstated, they put him behind a desk and send him to work in the youth program. Are you kidding me. Is this upside down world? Where is ANY common sense in this?
snips>
Warren joined the Beaverton Police Department in 2004…
He was placed on paid leave in September 2009 when the Multnomah County district attorney’s office investigated claims he inappropriately touched a girl when he was 17…
The case was dropped in April 2010.
He was placed on paid leave again one month later…
At the time, Multnomah and Washington County investigators were looking into allegations that he failed to report suspected child abuse involving one of his childhood friends…
The friend was later convicted of sexually abusing three girls.
Warren was fired from the Beaverton Police Department in January 2011 and then reinstated nine months later as a desk officer…
…Warren was assigned to spend a couple hours a week at the Beaverton Police Activities League, which runs youth programs…
http://www.oregonlive.com/beaverton/index.ssf/2013/06/beaverton_police_officer_arrai_1.html
Grand jury indicts Ariel Castro on 329 counts
http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/grand-jury-indicts-ariel-castro-on-329-counts
Lost a post. Bottom line, if there are 6 degrees of separation, and we are potentially two hops out from who knows who, then can I conclude they have more than my metadata? Since we have no privacy, can’t the NSA just pull the 06-04-10 satellite surveillance of Portland, zoom in on Skyline and look and see who took Kyron, FCOL?
According to the Post report,
To collect on a suspected spy or foreign terrorist means, at minimum, that everyone in the suspect’s inbox or outbox is swept in. Intelligence analysts are typically taught to chain through contacts two “hops” out from their target, which increases “incidental collection” exponentially.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_1.html
what was the timing of that Death
vs a vs the alleged mfh?
sorry, wpg. hadn’t read back far enough.
She also has had legal issues & many more problems.
Yep, a stay away for me. We do not know what the boy’s experience was
really with both parents. Just like Kyron’s vs a vs TH & KH.
erose says:
June 8, 2013 at 5:19 am
Lost a post. Bottom line, if there are 6 degrees of separation, and we are potentially two hops out from who knows who, then can I conclude they have more than my metadata? Since we have no privacy, can’t the NSA just pull the 06-04-10 satellite surveillance of Portland, zoom in on Skyline and look and see who took Kyron, FCOL?
I remember asking this way back when Kyron went missing. They really do have satellite pictures of everything. I was told they don’t use it for that kind of thing, missing kids. only for serious terrorist stuff, or maybe deciding who to have the IRS audit.
Kyron’s bowling buddy Kurtis Holm was not the youngest child of Kim & Cat, there’s a younger one, not that it matters. I don’t recall ever reading that Cat Villarreal was in landscaping. I thought he was in construction? Did that also include landscaping?
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@nate
Long ago I mentioned here that the Rose Princess might have been at Skyline that day. I don’t think I mentioned her name, because she was a minor. She was attending Lincoln High at the time, I had wondered if Skyline had used any kids from the high school as chaperones that day? She could have had a younger sibling there I guess and she went because her Mom couldn’t? There is also a principal from another school on the list, I would love to know if there was an invitation sent out to other schools and/or if they got help from other schools. (Especially now that I just picked up on LE asking PPS for it’s entire roster and not just Skyline.)
Old post about the other principal:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/06/11/kyron-horman-missing-case-breaking-news-remains-believed-to-be-human-located-off-sauvie-island/comment-page-25/
T. Ruth says:
July 25, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Every so often I go back to the Task Force list of persons and poke around. I notice there is another Principal on the list from another middle school, Jackson Middle School, Allen Luethe. This makes me wonder if an invitation went out to all middle schools and if so, who would have sent it. It also makes me wonder if Mr. Luethe attended alone or with another teacher, perhaps also from his school that day. Or did he tour with one of Skyline’s teachers or Keefer? In any case, are there any other teachers or principals from any other schools on that list? I keep thinking about Logan Storm from Stoller Middle School. (The 3rd (alleged) pedophile somewhat associated with this case, if that is him in that picture assisting Kyron at the school fair, although LE has mysteriously never bothered to mention it if it is.)
“Blame for an unsolved crime is not the issue here, but there have been missteps that have led to wounded feelings because hope had been high. Measured, meaningful and accountable public communication is the least the public should expect.”
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/10-opinion/154043-kyrons-case-still-haunts-cops-the-public
IDK, but I think Giusto is taking a hit on Staton.
Accountability, yep, that’s what’s needed here.
The Saturday Soapbox: OT, but we did mention this case a time or two, I believe.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Remember-Yashanee-Vaughn-How-a-child-sex-case-is-connected-210676431.html
It is my opinion there are many more connections between crimes of this nature, even if indirect, through the people, events, etc., than we (the public and even LE) have thought possible. Rather like mole tunnels. I think this is something that could be shocking to the public, and something we’d rather not know. We all want “tidy conclusions” to every crime or tidy little boxes of cold cases, not loose threads in a knitted sweater.
Other than drugs and sex, I can’t think of any crimes (that are obvious to the public, unlike computer hacking, for example) that have perps who keep track of each other, buy and sell from each other, communicate about their needs and locations, advertise for what they want, have what amounts to an administrative hierarchy (boss, gang leader), etc. I keep wondering if LE (at city and county levels) needs a new way of thinking and approach to investigating and I think the public needs to accept a lot more responsibility for helping to solve and stop these crimes.
Maybe we start by changing the definition of “closed case”. This is not my area of expertise, obviously, but it seems to me that we should also broaden the definition of “conspiracy” or come up with a new term for crimes which we know are not by their nature isolated even if we don’t have proof of what those connections are.
I hope I’m making sense. The public has to learn how to help and to take a greater role in providing assistance to LE (without getting in the way, of course). From the article above: “The arrests were made after a staff member at Centennial Middle School saw the video on a student’s Facebook page and recognized one of the victims as a student at the school.“
If we don’t want to be spied on all the time, we need to do a better job of policing ourselves. We can’t all wrestle a sex offender to the ground like a local dad did this week after he caught the man taking pictures of his 6 year old daughter in a Fred Meyer store dressing room (shooting under the door), but we can be more “crime smart” and help put a stop to some of this crazy stuff. I really believe that.
@grasshopper: ^5 (high five)
@MBS, what do you think we can/should do? No member of LE will tell us anything. They have no interest in citizen complaints about their crap work. There is no “superior” to go to. There is no methodology for accountability. They are the law. Any questions can always be countered with “ongoing investigation”. Voting makes not the slightest different. Giusto finally went too far and got thrown out and we got Staton. I was always disgusted with Giusto but now, in comparison, think maybe he wasn’t so bad. We can complain but media doesn’t cover it because they don’t want to lose “access”. Theoretically we citizens are supposed to have a voice in government but it appears to have been neutralized. We are seeing it up close and personal in Kyron’s disappearance, but multiply it by one thousand times in other situations. don’t know what to do.
@grasshopper
Sunshine law maybe? Public access to public records. There oughta’ be a law. Write our congressmen/women?
@erose says:
June 8, 2013 at 5:19 am
Doesn’t the satellite have to be in a certain location at a certain time in order to that? I remember they rerouted one to search for the lost James Kim. http://news.cnet.com/2100-1028_3-6141211.html
(snip)
The satellite, which is used by the U.S. military for mapping and gathering intelligence, could be rendered useless if the weather is bad, said Brender. The snow and large trees would also make it nearly impossible for a satellite image to pinpoint Kim’s location, but it could help authorities plan their search efforts, Brender said.
“We can’t see through clouds,” he said. “If it’s cloudy, we wouldn’t be able to get back for three days.”
*****
Plus it was raining the day Kyron disappeared, so IDK??
Speaking of new laws:
http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Ore-bill-targets-johns-who-pay-for-sex-with-minor-4587958.php
SALEM, Ore. (AP) — The Oregon Legislature is considering a bill that would toughen penalties for johns who solicit sex from underage prostitutes as part of a broader push to crack down on child sex trafficking in the state.
The bill’s provisions are still being hammered out, but the intent is to impose harsher punishments on people who seek sex with children.
(snipped, more @link)
@grasshopper, What about a Letter to the Editor in response to Giusto’s piece?
The government probably does not have surveillance of that day. If they did, I would hope they would use it to solve this case. Maybe they do have it, and the answer doesn’t make them look too good, IDK. I was mostly commenting on how our privacy is being invaded, IT = Big Brother, IMO. We might kick and scream about it, but I fear the younger generations are already accepting it. If we have to live with it, I was hoping maybe we could get some good out of it, like finding Kyron. Sigh, and sigh again. PS. Edward Snowden is a hero!
T. Ruth says:
June 9, 2013 at 12:23 pm
No. 26 erose says at 7:10 p.m.
I whole-heartedly agree that Edward Snowden is a hero!
If there is no purpose for all this data=gathering then why do it?
If we can’t use it to help solve abductions cases then why have it?
I don’t like it not one little bit. I grew up in a family that our it was no one’s business how much we made, who we called, or anything else, unless we chose to disclose it. Period. I see people today who have no concern about their privacy and shout from mountain tops their infidelities, sexual preferences, and heavens knows what else.
Anyway, back to Kyron, pressure by the press would be an ideal forum to pursue. I hate to think that we are helpless and unable to help move this case forward.
erose says:
June 9, 2013 at 4:47 pm
@grasshopper, What about a Letter to the Editor in response to Giusto’s piece?
This is a good idea. I’ll start working on it!
@grasshopper, I think the editor will let you use a pseudonym. I’d hate to see you blow your grasshopper cover.
radio interview with KH:
June 4, 2013 7:48 AM
“Kaine Horman, father of Kyron Horman, talked with Lacey Evans of KXL Radio in Portland, providing an update on the case, and activities that he is involved in”
http://podcast.541radio.com/roprt2/4023669.mp3
above post with link taken from the page
http://www.541radio.com/pages/podcast/128565.rss
listed under “Morning Conversation 6/4″
Not sure why, but reading up and thinking….
and Bernie and Colin and, of course, the Oregonian, have been the “voice”
of this so-called investigation.
In retrospect, I wondered if Maxine really knew what she and her editors suggested that she knew about the crux of making TMH the “prime suspect” with a “MOTIVE”…..
By Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on July 04, 2010 at 4:00 AM, updated July 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM
Here’s what she says:
“The landscaper, contacted by The Oregonian last week, confirmed that he was hired to do lawn work at the Horman home off Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. He said he’s talked with detectives and could not comment further. His name is being withheld to protect his identity as a cooperating witness in an ongoing criminal investigation”
Then, her editor, several days later, defends her lack of verifyabable sources:
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/07/plot-to-kill_story_puts_sourci.html
:She heard about the plot to kill Kaine Horman and that it was part of documents a court had sealed (the details of which were released Thursday — affirming her story). She found the landscaper, and she confirmed independently what she had initially heard. All the conversations were required to be off the record, and she, quite understandably, told the landscaper she would not use his name. Reporters guard their sources zealously, and rightly so. In fact, many states (including Oregon) have shield laws protecting a reporter’s right to keep sources confidential”
Just today, I was wondering about that verb….”FOUND…the landscaper”……
Is it possible she never found the landscaper at all? That LE had given her the name, or contact number and that she had never even interviewed him?
06-04-2013
Since Kyron became a missing person, Desiree says multiple law enforcement agencies in the Portland area, including the FBI, have worked on the case. She says they’re being tight-lipped about any leads.
Desiree says she believes in her gut there will be some sort of break in the case soon.
“I’m optimistic that, I feel in my gut that something is coming, and I feel like this is the calm before the storm. I’m hoping we’re going to go forward here really soon,” Desiree said.
http://www.kdrv.com/kyron-horman-disappearance-anniversary/
http://m.kdrv.com/kdrv/pm_111089/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=vREOiBny
no Tony in this story.
“tight lippedabout leads”
meaning with her, with Kaine.
Today OLive mentioned that a Medford meth-head (
arrested multiple times in May & before), was most
recently arrested for attempt abduction of 5 yo boy?
She believes there will be an indictment.
B
I believe it too.
grand juries indict a ham sandwich.
DA needed a little lettuce & mustard I guess.
I agree with you. It should bother people immensely that this looks like it is going to happen and there is no organized search activity at present.
B
now if the DA trades cleaning up the immigration status
of any landscapers in exchange for cooperation, what impact?
@Blink. at what point, how far into this,
did you surmise an opportunistic pedophile
(or whatever he is) is the more likely than
not explanation?
Quickly as a possibility for exclusion, weeks into it when the mfh undercover debacle went down, it was clear to me that the investigation had the most agencies with the least amount of focus and direction I have ever seen. Underline “I have ever seen” and that is to date.
They better have connected her to a suspect they intend to indict along with her or this is going to be over before it starts.
B
If there is no indictment, by August, will DY still have faith in LE?
No disrespect intended but I have no idea how she does now.
B
Jackson County, OR (Medford)
“It’s shocking how much meth is transported into this area,” George said. “It makes you wonder about the security of our border, because most of this meth is coming here from criminal organizations based in Mexico.”
The HIDTA report said the number of meth labs seized in Oregon has plummeted since the Legislature took pseudoephedrine off the counter in 2004.
The supply was quickly buttressed by cartels in Mexico, who can produce meth by the ton and ship it across the United States.
http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120906/NEWS/209060311
wpg says:
June 10, 2013 at 12:05 am
Wow, that was an interesting interview. Thanks wpg.
Some notes: (not verbatim)
will you be speaking with Desiree on the anniversary? “oh no.”
we’re all hoping to see some sort of progress in August *one way or the other*
all sides have expressed the desire to close this case
we’re still seeing people pleading the 5th
answer questions that either “gets them out of the way of the investigation” or “brings Kyron back home”
guesses it will all come down to the judge on August 1, as to where we go from here
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sorry, I couldn’t get it to play without a bunch of gaps unless I moved my mouse constantly. Weird, but I’ll have to listen to it again later.
http://podcast.541radio.com/roprt2/4023669.mp3
Got it to work now. Doesn’t sound to me after listening to Kaine Horman’s podcast interview that there will be an indictment any time soon.
“investigation is still ongoing” “active behind the scenes”
“they still have a plan of action targeted from now through… well past August from what they’re doing”
“and they’re still get a few leads and tips they’re following up on as well”
says he sees a summary of what they’re doing and activity they’re looking at and *currently pursuing*
“project by project, case by case” ????
What do you mean by project? (wow a reporter that asks questions!woohoo!) His answer is leads. “they’ll have a lead that needs vetting out” “or maybe they’ve gone back through some of the information they had before and noticed that there’s a path that they didn’t take the first time through that they’re going to take this time”
“project has a finite start and closure …we can vet this out, or this is where it’s taking this case”
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Weird he never mentions that Terri knows where Kyron is. Weird he never addresses her and says “Terri, please tell me where my son is”.
JMO, but after hearing this, I don’t think they’re anywhere near an arrest of anyone. It does sound to me though, like he feels the Judge may let the civil and divorce cases go forward with stipulations. ?
One of the things I admire about DY is her speaking out publicly while showing pretty good restraint at the same time.
When Staton announced the formation of the Task Force September of 2010, DY and KH were out of town doing the Oprah Show.
“Staton said he has not yet talked with Kyron Horman’s parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, about the change in staffing. But he said “the investigation is losing nothing.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/kyron_horman_case_as_costs_top.html
2 weeks later, October 1, 2010, DY appeared in front of The Wall of Hope with an appeal that the reward amount be substantially increased. She said “I don’t know what else to do.” and “I’m disappointed, confused and unsure why it’s taken four months to bring him home.” I saw her as an emotionally concerned and frustrated mother, and do not blame her one little bit for calling the media and expressing herself.
Shortly after the taping of Dateline November 2010, LE showed her things including “the emails”. The morning of the Dateline TV airing, DY is on the Today Show telling it like it is (with restraint) from where she sits.
Time marches on with DY doing the Roseburg conference, ground searches without LE, media interviews, etc., and then the “biggest squeaking of the wheel” imo . . . the press conference announcing the filing of the civil suit. KH did not know about it (to be fair, he did not previously inform DY of certain things , so ‘ya know) and I don’t believe LE was consulted either. DY took charge with the best option available to her, imo. Her civil suit is still there, waiting, and so is DY.
By the way, DY recently said she would be discussing with LE getting a search organized and moving.
wpg- I appreciate you posting the radio interview of Kaine. For me, as an analyst, it was robust as to status of the case.
I wish it were in a good or progressive way. Desiree and Kaine are clearly at opposite ends of the spectrum and for my money, Kaine is about ready to admit Terri may not be involved.
B
@Blink. imo not before $ & custody are settled.
Of course an indictment will help him out in August.
@wpg. great post & in agreement. Yet imo there is no way DY would put Eldon on retainer without his civil tort litigation peers knowing about it. And if they knew, so did everyone else in Leadership Portland.
@TRuth. imo KH is making generalized statements that do not reflect
someone in the current investigative loop. Imo he’s pontificating based on his early
experience with LE.
re podcast.
imo 7:25-7:53 is an outlier, & evidence for a GAL.
& Kantor is an outlier’s Judge, imo.
I can honestly say I have no earthly idea why- but everyone in this case appears to be acting out of the norm. At least as far as my training, education and experience will take me if I am simply analyzing the parental bereavment roles on display.
B
PORTLAND, Ore. – One of the men arrested in connection with a child porn video involving two young girls is the brother of Yashanee Vaughn, a teenage girl who was murdered two years ago.
Earlier this week, police announced they had arrested four young men – accusing them of making child pornography with local kids and then putting it on YouTube.
KATU has since discovered that the alleged sex video was taped at a house we have reported from before – Yashanee Vaughn’s grandmother’s home off Southeast 89th Avenue. It’s the same house that used to be called the ‘search headquarters’ when the teen was missing.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Remember-Yashanee-Vaughn-How-a-child-sex-case-is-connected-210676431.html
Child porn suspect in court; police say gangs turning to sex trafficking
Antoinette Edwards, the city’s director of youth violence prevention, said she is seeing more gang members move into human trafficking as a way to make money.
“It’s less risky (for the gangs) because if you can get to someone and take advantage of their mind and their vulnerability, they’re taking the risk and you’re not going to be caught with the drugs,” Edwards said.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Sex-abuse-suspect-in-court-police-say-more-gangs-turning-to-sex-trafficking-210652551.html
@Rose
Agree with “generalized statements”
I spent a few moments transcribing a few from the podcast. Theis guy is a master at saying nothing for quite some time a lot about nothing.
But here is the latest “project” that Staton is prolly more concerned about than the multitude of “ghost” projects Kaine claims they are working on regarding Kyron.
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-20739-a_sheriff_on_probation.html
Kudos to that interviewer, although it is very circumlocutious standard Kaine, I think she got more out of him than anyone has in years.
There was so much going on in that interview I don’t even know where to start.
B
@Blink
Neither Desiree nor Kaine have really said anything that indicate more movement in this case. Desiree my be hoping, but there was absolutely no indication that she believed the case would more forward in August.
She does NOT even mention revamping and continuing the suit.
Kaine, in his podcast, refers to “projects” and nebulous “investigations” running on to forever. Here’s a snippit of the interview where he is asked how the newest “information from LE” will impact:
Kaine; Well, not a whole lot, like usual. Um, the investigation is still on-going, we just talked about very high level, just what’s going on at the moment, um, trying to carry us on till august, when the civil cases come off of the abatement, not anything overly specific i think just because we’re leading up to court, but generally speaking they still have investigators working the case, they still have a plan of action, targeted from now, um, well past August, what they are planning on doing they are still getting a few leads and tips here and there that they’re following up as well.. It’s still very actually, very active behind the scenes, again it’s hard, even for myself to see everything for myself about what they are doing.but when you sit down and get a summary of and see everything that they are looking at currently ….
IOW….Staton has other things to do (see above) than focus on this case. And in August…..well, all we know from Bunch is that they didn’t want the abatment. And….they’ll be back!
vw- I cant quote her, but I am pretty sure Desiree said she did expect developments in August or words to that effect.
Kaine, unless they are no longer updating him ( and that would be in contradiction to his statements) is in no way indicating he is aware of any pending developments.
Here’s what I got out of that very obtuse but informative ( in a forensic linguists way):
He is being told through some means, that TH is willing to speak to investigators in some fashion, to clear herself in efforts to forward the investigation. He is skeptical. My guess and this is only a guess, is that Houze is attempting to, or negotiating such terms on her behalf. In no way did I hear confidence that he feels TH is responsible, in fact, I heard the opposite.
Maybe TH agreeing to some form of questioning with Houze is the “something specific being done”.
Maybe LE is taking my years-old advice of granting immunity in the mfh and discussing the disappearance with counsel present.
I swear I will have a party. That can turn this whole thing around. One way or another.
B
from the gofundme site –
Updated posted by Kelly Davidson Ramirez 7 days agoA Note fron Desiree: It is 8:45am…A Note fron Desiree:
It is 8:45am on June 4th, 2013 and this moment marks 3 years since my Kyron was last seen by anyone that cares about him.
“last seen by anyone that cares about him.”
would that not be Terri then..????
yes.
B
There is absolutely no legal basis for that and furthermore doing so would be a Federal crime under the law.
I suppose it cannot be ruled out that Kyron was “secreted away” as alleged, I adamantly do not believe that is the case.
But any sort of protected witness scenario is unconstitutional, and uncontrovertibly not in play in this case.
I want to make that point to anyone holding on to that ideal.
B
I don’t think the civil suit is going anywhere without LE’s cooperation.
From what we know of the people known to have been deposed:
1) DY has no direct knowledge of what happened.
2) TY has no direct knowledge of what happened.
3) It is unlikely TMH’s son has any involvement or direct knowledge of what happened.
4) TMH refused deposition on constitutional grounds
5) DDS took the 5th whenever TMH was brought up in her deposition
6) Kaine was completely in charge of his home but simultaneously knew nothing about what went on in his home until much later. It is unlikely he has any direct knowledge of what happened to Kyron. It would be interesting to know the tone of his deposition. Was he asked about three-ways with DDS and TMH? Or did he get the soft glove treatment. Kaine is in a difficult situation, information he provides for DY’s civil case may work against him in his divorce.
7) I assume that anyone possibly related to TMH who is deposed will take the 5th in order to avoid getting dragged into this case. This may make LE’s job more difficult.
Unless LE is willing to turn over hard evidence to the plaintiff (and to the respondent), I don’t see how DY can put on an effective case.
It will be VERY interesting to me to see how LE responds to it’s subpoenas going forward. I forget how many thousands of pages of investigative data and binders there are, but if the civil suit is removed from abatement, they are going to need to hire someone to respond to those requests and the subsequent FOIA requests who knows how to creatively narrow-scope on the fly.
That said, after hearing Kaine’s recent comments, I got the distinct impression that he is not a fan of the civil action any longer.
B