Kyron Horman Exclusive Report: New Suspect And Botched Investigation Rumors Abound- Terri Horman Prepares To Fight For Couples Daughter Following Seclusion
If you are reading this and have followed the Kyron Homan disappearance coverage since he vanished from Skyline School on June 4th 2010, you know my coverage and commentary has focused on the macro analysis of the case details- both publicly available and via developed sources. This report contains newly released information known to law enforcement. It’s contents, to include reader commentary and moderation response, may not be reproduced or copied without express written consent by it’s author in accordance with applicable copyright law.
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Last Week’s Meet And Greet
On Tuesday July 30th, the attorneys representing Terri Moulton Horman, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young attended a series of case hearings. Not held in chambers as announced, but public guests were barred.
On the docket- Desiree Young’s “stay” status of the $10 million dollar civil tort action brought against Terri Horman and the dissolution (divorce and custody) litigation brought by Kaine Horman, Terri’s estranged husband. Until July 26th, there were additional hearings and status conferences scheduled for the recently renewed Freedom From Abuse and Protection Act (FAPA) motion to contest and compel depositions in the restraining order prohibiting Terri Horman from contact with the couple’s daughter Kiara, now 5 years old. Horman has not seen her daughter since June 2010 despite several attempts through counsel to arrange parenting time. Engel, one of the attorneys representing Kaine Horman, argues that the FAPA case is consolidated with the divorce action, and therefore stayed.
Peter Bunch, counsel for Terri Horman, argues that there is no consolidation order.
Non attorney’s still do not understand how the initial proceeding to renew the FAPA order occurred when the plaintiff failed to file the required motion and accompanying affidavits in advance as required, or even serve the respondent’s attorneys until ordered to do so by Judge Henry Kantor once the hearing commenced. Kantor ordered the renewal anyway. I will let the goodly Oregon bar members weigh in on that anomaly.
That was then. This is now.
As of July 31st, the FAPA restraining order was expired and a civil no contact order was put in its place. The dissolution matter (divorce) stay has been lifted and Desiree Young announced she was instructing her attorney’s to withdraw the $10 million dollar suit financed by public donations.
On the same front steps where Atty Rosenthal announced that they were launching the suit to peel the onion that is to include law enforcement, and to “make Terri Horman talk” was withdrawn in similar fashion.
However, on this occasion, Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill was not spotted on the steps observing. Rosenthal and Young indicated the recent appearance and testimony of former object of compulsion to testify, DeDe Spicher, as well as information that the investigative case file necessary (their words) to prove their claims would not be forthcoming. In an article analyzing the suit appearing on BOC it was predicted that Ms. Young would face possible countersuit and associated fees should the suit continue as filed.
Attorneys for both Kaine and Terri appeared before Multnomah County Circuit Family law Judge Susan Svetkey on August 1, 2013. Judge Svetkey is Houze’s wife. The docket information for that hearing has not yet been entered into the file as of this publication.
The only comment about the withdrawal of the civil tort action by Stephen Houze:
“The lawsuit was unfounded and lacking in legal merit,” Houze said. “One can only hope that the dismissal of this meritless lawsuit receives the same degree of media scrutiny as was given to its filing.”
In recent interviews, Kaine Horman has intimated that his wife has expressed her desire to help find Kyron, or at least contribute to excluding herself as a possible suspect. He also admitted that he no longer has any communication with Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother. He sometimes wonders what law enforcement is actually doing on his son’s case. This is a firm departure from how Mr. Horman initially retained his six figure attorney Laura Rackner of Gearing, Rackner, and Engel & McGrath. Ms. Rackner appears to have promulgated her duties of late to her partner, Brett Engel.
This all seemed to start when formidable and well known tort Attorney Mark Wagner came out of retirement to appear as counsel for Terri Horman. Wagner and Rackner know each other, and Rackner is no stranger to LE –based dissolution entanglements.
In fact, Wagner represented her and her previous firm successfully.
Bagel Finagle
Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner is no stranger to law enforcement infused litigation. She is a former prosecutor for Oregon’s department of Justice, The U.S. Department of Justice, and Office of Chief Counsel. Ms. Rackner has specificity in Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) casework.
Born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Laura received her B.S. in 1979 and her J.D. in 1984, both from the University of Oregon.
Prior to entering private practice, Laura served as deputy district attorney in the Marion County District Attorney’s Office; assistant attorney general in the Oregon Department of Justice; and on the staff of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Chief Counsel, Drug Enforcement Administration.
Record Scratch.
Martin Rob Cagan, The bagel king and according to him, a supreme target of a police shakedown at the hands of his former spouse’s attorneys was the litigious sort.
In fact, this may be how Atty Wagner decides to come out of retirement and become part of Terri Horman’s defense team while the civil suit was active.
Wagner’s firm represented Ms. Rackner in a suit filed by Rob Cagan in which he sued the Dueshete Police Department, A partner in the firm representing Caroleen Vanhoomissen, the suit (or ramblings of a very angry divorcee) alleges that the firm and its lawyers facilitated the difficulties of Mr. Cagan utilizing law enforcement sources directly by the attorneys was dismissed.
Ms. Vanhoomissen, the sister of Judge Vanhoomissen is also the owner of a horse farm in Bend, Oregon. Blinkoncrime was unable to verify if it was the Bend horse farm searched in the early days of the investigation for Kyron.
Attorney Rackner’s prior working relationship with the DEA, the very agency that supplied the undercover officer in the failed sting involving Horman landscaper Rudy Sanchez begs the question- Did Rackner use her contacts and/or credentials to facilitate a surreptitious ruse to gain favor for her client in anticipation of his wife’s potential arrest?
Kaine is on record that law enforcement informed him they had probable cause to arrest Terri. What is not on record, is what came first- the referral to Rackner.
I just want to do what I can to help law enforcement
Seems like an odd comment coming from a family attorney with a background as a prosecutor working with the DEA, which agency subsequently becomes involved in the case- or initially led to her representation- the chicken or the egg facts remain unclear.
The ex parte and originally sealed restraining order did not exclude Terri Horman from the marital home. Was this an oversight of a very seasoned family attorney or was the basis of the now defunct restraining order as provided to Kaine Horman and Laura Rackner by law enforcement effectively invalidated by Terri Horman calling 911?
Is the reason that Atty Engel seems to have taken over representation of Kaine Horman due to the fact that these actions could render Ms. Rackner a witness in her client’s case as opposed to his Attorney?
In the motions and subsequent hearing scheduled for July 30th, the only available arguments outside of the parties agreement is to contest the basis for the FAPA order- or, the allegation Kaine Horman has made within his affidavits more than once, that his wife tried to hire “our landscaper” to kill him, and that she is being investigated for “violent crimes.”
The outcome?
The order was converted to a civil no-contact order which has not yet been added to the file for public review.
Desiree and Kaine’s respective camps both claimed “protecting the integrity of the investigation” was their only interest although the ONLY 2 witnesses who were summoned for deposition by Terri Horman’s lawyers were- the lead investigator of Kyron’s investigation for 18 months- Bobby John O’Donnell and Kaine Horman.
Back To School
Skyline School, the International Baccalaureate candidate who announced the IB open house format weeks earlier via take home handouts to its students and also by displaying the event on its marquis has never been declared a crime scene. Although in nearly every legal support brief or news coverage article Terri Horman was dubbed “the last person to be seen with Kyron Horman” or more recently by Desiree Young as “Kyron was last seen by someone who cared about him at 8:45 am” absolutely no witness account or Science Fair insider was known publicly to dispute such accounts.
Until now.
“Once I learned all that was going on that same day, in that same school, I did not understand why I was being told that Terri Horman was the suspect, and one other person… It never made sense to me that they knew Kyron was seen with someone else besides his stepmother after she left, that they seemed to not even consider another theory.” (*Editor’s Note*- parts of the source’s quote have been redacted as they would reveal identity of witnesses in an ongoing criminal investigation)
Electric Slide?
Sometime after Terri Horman left the school with her daughter Kiara in tow, she was captured on store video prior to Kyron’s exit from Skyline School. It is believed Kyron was last seen between 9:05 and 9:20 AM.
The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.
“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.
Classroom 1 Property of www.blinkoncrime.com
(Editor’s Note: It is believed that Desiree and Kaine’s comments about concern that instruction they gave him last year about listening to staff “came back to haunt them.” They have never acknowledged they were told about this witness account but a source close to www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed they were informed but not given a witness description.
www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed the EXIF data on the image includes the timestamp of June 4 2010 at 8:43AM PST.
Backstory OR Backdrop?
Among the peers of Kyron Horman in attendance on June 4th, were some children whose parents may have been granted access via the open house format, although documents filed with the school and LE would preclude the parents from removing them.
In fact, the mother of a chief witness in this case was arrested that very day for attempting to fill a script that did not belong to her, in a pharmacy that Terri Horman allegedly also visited that morning.
Another child whose parents lost custody due to very long histories with substance abuse and associated criminal behavior had the additional possible misfortune of closely resembling both Kaine and Terri Horman.
Non Custodial Parent Red Long Hair
It is unknown whether either parent took the opportunity to visit the school that day, but they were not included on the published list. While barred legally from removing their child from the school they could not be barred from a publicly announced invitational. There was no ID checks or sign-in sheets for non-volunteer guests.
In an unrelated twist, the child’s Father was found deceased in front of a Portland residence in April 2012. The name of the child and Kyron’s schoolmate, guardians and parents are being intentionally withheld for this article.
Sovereignty In lieu Of..
Among the many unanswered questions in Kyron’s disappearance: Why hasn’t the school been held accountable? He disappeared on their watch- with a concise standard of care duty and plan.
What really happened?
There is no dispute that Kyron had an exchange that resulted in a teacher nodding her approval that Kyron assist a man in his stated purpose- to bring things in from his truck. There is no dispute that Kyron was last seen at Skyline School. There is no dispute that both Kyron’s parents expressed concern that last year’s discipline involving instruction on being a better listener may have come back to haunt them. They said so.
What may be in dispute, for sure, is how accurate the list of attendees at the Skyline School of June 4th, 2010 is.
As an example, one witness told Editor In Chief, S. Christina Stoy that a young male former student said hello to Susan Hall and when asked by a parent who the lad was a few days later, she said she was not sure. He is NOT on the list.
When another parent subsequently asked Ms. Hall who the student was following Kyron’s disappearance to verify he was on the published list- she responded she could not remember. Ms. Hall was the Skyline Administrative staff who contacted 911 upon speaking to Terri Horman and learning Kyron was not on the bus. Hall subsequently contacted Desiree Young. She did this while the Horman’s were on their way back to the school to see if Kyron might have thought he was being picked up that day as opposed to riding the bus or some other sort of snafu.
According to the MCSO, the school records that could assist the investigation were never requested to be preserved by investigators and as a result were deleted.
So why was the Skyline School never named as a defendant in the previously pending litigation filed by Kyron’s mother Desiree Young?
The reason may lie in the recreational designation utilized on June 4th, 2010.
According to the National Policy and Legal Analysis Network (napl) it may be a simple question of whether Kyron disappeared during the “recreational” portion of the program.
Napl’s guidance to lawyer’s advising Oregon schools can be read here. Although the overall plan is relative to an obesity initiative, it would include research and advice on any school recreational or regularly scheduled event. Please tell me Cogen does not factor into this.
The following are excerpts from the report:
…”Absent special liability protection, school districts and other providers of recreational facilities have the legal duty to take reasonable precautions to prevent injury. What is reasonable is very context specific and depends on many things: most important, the nature of the harm, the difficulty of preventing it, and generally accepted standards in the management of recreational facilities…”
…” The only immunity Oregon grants to public bodies, which include school districts,2 is discretionary government immunity.3 Discretionary government immunity applies to choices “among alternative public policies by persons to whom responsibility for such policies have been delegated.”4 To fall under the protection of this doctrine, Oregon courts have said, the choice must result from the exercise of judgment and involve a public policy or nonroutine day-to-day activity.
…” In summary, Oregon immunizes schools for policy choices its officials make, but it holds schools liable for breaches of duty that occur in carrying out those policy choices…”
…” The recreational user statute should therefore provide strong protection to Oregon schools seeking to avoid liability arising from after-hours outdoor recreational programs on school grounds. Applying this statute to indoor recreational activities, however, is much riskier, although the case law does not preclude such a strategy.
Regular School Day- Changes Things
…” In Oregon, schools owe students a duty to “supervise at all times the conduct of children on school grounds and to enforce those rules and regulations necessary to their protection. . . . The standard of care imposed upon school personnel in carrying out the duty to supervise the conduct of students is that degree of care which a person of ordinary prudence, charged with comparable duties, would exercise under the same circumstances.”37
Is the issue of liability to Skyline School relegated to what time Kyron was abducted, presuming he was abducted, as is believed?
Very possibly.
As we know, the school opened early the morning of June 4th, 2010, as was displayed on the school’s marquis at least 2 weeks prior. Without particular knowledge of when the suspect responsible for Kyron’s disappearance entered the school, and under what auspice, one is left to the timeline of Kyron’s activities as juxtaposed with the start of the school day. As a regular standard of care, one could argue that begins with a student getting on the bus, if a passenger, on their regular route. What if a bus passenger is attending the “event” outside of the bus transportation? Admittedly, it seems moot inasmuch as neither one of Kyron’s parents have filed suit against the school or named them as having any negligence or liability. That said, it remains a possibility in the event Kyron is found.
There is no question Kyron was seen after 8:45AM- which is the time that a regularly scheduled bus arrives- which would ring the bell, so to speak, on the normal school day.
To be Continued:
Roid Noise And The Boys In Blue- Publishing Thursday August 8. Preview Discussion Tonight on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW.
Ellie Sanders contributed research to this report.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
Image retouching courtesy of Klaasend
Previous Coverage:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/
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According to a local vintner here, when he was discussing our sense of smell vs a dog’s he said that when we walk into a home and smell Pizza in the oven, we smell Pizza. When a dog smells the same thing, he can smell the sausage, the pepperoni, the mushrooms, the tomatoes, the cheese, the basil and the oregano, etc.
Just thought I’d throw that out there. So, I guess when a dog is trained to pick up just pepperoni as opposed to the other ingredients, they make a good search dog. Of course, if they can only smell the mushrooms, I want that one for truffle hunting. LOL
If Kyron’s abductor was a member of LE, say a pilot who would make runs across borders or to Idaho (didn’t that business owner sell health supplements as well as hydrating water to local Beaverton gyms?), he might have wanted to redirect attention from that 2010 steriod-sales & purchases investigation, morphing local le dept personnel from the investigated to priority investigators.
Wpg says
August 24, 2013 at 6:20pm
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Wpg, well said. Under the worst of possible circumstances, I think Desiree’s actions are understandable. There is no play book for parents whose child has been taken.
I am wondering which area they plan to search.
Yes, it was only confirmed by DY, and the reporter did put the words in her mouth. KH did not dispute that the witness account was made, but did back pedal some on the credibility.
Rose says:
August 24, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Wishing all the best for the searches. All of us wants Kyron found.
I am confused on the GJ tie in wrt DDS testimony, and conclusion drawn. My impression is that someone who testifies is granted limited immunity for their testimony. So whatever DDS said, she’s off the hook for it, and whatever she said TH did wasn’t enough to even keep the civil cases on track. much less build a criminal one, IMO.
I (and others) speculate that when TH’s timeline became known, and the witness account of SZ asking permission to take Kyron, then there was a readjustment in theories of TH having help. DDS was then targeted, with or without good cause, but splashed all over fliers in such a way I am surprised someone wanting their 15 minutes of fame didn’t pipe up and say they saw her with a shovel and a bag of lye just to get on TV.
Nothing ever came of a witness to her involvement that we know, but with their backs against the wall to produce something before the civil cases culminated, I think the DA took what he thought was his ace in the hole and granted DDS immunity only to find she plead the 5th, not because she knew something, but because she was afraid of the witch hunt.
DDS and TH do not seem like unflappable hardened criminals to me. IMO, if they were involved, they would have caved by now. They have been put under tremendous pressure, and still no confession or arrest.
If DY feels so strongly about TH having something to do with Kyron’s abduction, then why doesn’t she go public with the information on Kyron leaving the classroom with a male, after TH left? Isn’t that the person she would seek to have ID’d? Involved or not, TH doesn’t have Kyron. Don’t we want to find who actually physically took Kyron, and then figure out his motivations and associations?
wpg says:
August 22, 2013 at 11:06 pm
snip>
GOOD STUFF. VERY GOOD.
I never believed Spicher knew anything relevant to TMH wrt to Kyron’s disappearance, I still do not, and I think she has gotten a very bad rap for protecting her rights in an investigation that allowed her to be vilified multiple times.
This is not to anyone in particular, but I really do not understand how some seem to complicate a very simple issue- if DS had incriminating information to offer against TMH, the DA would not hesitate to seek a true bill. Now, we don’t know for sure if DS was compelled to testify under a standard witness immunity, or if she was compelled via investigative subpoena. Neither does Rosenthal, Houze ( although I maintain he has plenty of sources)
IF it was by an investigative subpoena, and I suggest if i were the DA and I really had no idea what to expect from her testimony, or I suspected it was null, I would have gone that route, then we can also presume nothing she said implicated anyone or THAT would have been presented to the gj.
I think sometimes folks are so cemented in an opinion, that once that opinion seems flawed, they MUST find the reason that they were right in the first place. I have been guilty of this in the past as well.
B
I try to read every post, but think I may have missed something. I would love to know what area Desiree decided to search, and why. Seems like picking an area to search would be like looking for one needle in an array of haystacks. Where to begin? Does Desiree have some sort of semi-credible information that leads her to believe this search area is important? Thanks
Completely unknown, and would seem to me a requisite for a search. I continue to struggle with my thoughts on direction in this case, and the advice DY is getting. I am very protective of this woman with no results on my part, apparently.
B
That’s exactly what I thought…. Hope for part 2 soon!
From an article by Lynne Terry, The Oregonian (snipped)
on September 07, 2011 at 2:25 PM, updated November 18, 2011 at 9:51 PM
She and her husband Tony Young, who live in Medford, conducted a search Aug. 27 and 28 with two trained nonprofit groups. She said they had a variety of vehicles and searched places around Northwest Germantown and Newberry roads and the area around Northwest Skyline Boulevard.
“We will probably be doing a few searches,” she said.
She said the searches have focused on public property and that the sheriff’s office is planning on combing areas identified in the investigation that have not been searched.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/09/kyron_hormans_mother_says_more_2.html
(MBS)
So for the 2011 search she had 2 trained nonprofit groups (I’ve forgotten who they were). Did she also have untrained volunteers as seems to be happening this time?
What is the point (or is there one) of saying they had a “variety of vehicles”?
It sounds like there is no physical overlap between Desiree’s searches and LE’s searches. Anyone know if that is true? I’m just wondering if the places she searched were low on LE’s list of possibilities or not on the list at all? Is LE’s search list based solely on specific tips and pings plus the areas around the school and Kaine’s request re the horse farm? Did Desiree and whoever was helping her come up with these areas on their own for some reason, such as the type of terrain or popular parking spots?
This is the only search effort by Desiree that I remember. Was there any other?
From an article by Lynne Terry, The Oregonian (snipped)
on September 07, 2011 at 2:25 PM, updated November 18, 2011 at 9:51 PM
While the Youngs are focused on the search, Kyron’s dad, Kaine Horman, is planning a birthday party for his son at Big Al’s in Beaverton from 4 to 9 p.m. on Friday.
The event will include a mohawk station for boys and a nail-painting station for girls. Horman, who shaves his head, said he plans on getting a purple quarter-inch mohawk in tribute to Kyron, who always wanted one. For details on the party, check Kyron’s website, http://bringkyronhome.org.
Horman, who appreciates sheriff’s volunteers actively looking for his son, is not taking part in the searches.
“I’m not certified,” he said. “I’m going to leave it to the professionals so if they find something they can process it properly so it can be used in legal proceedings if it’s relevant. I don’t want it thrown out if it’s tampered with or moved.”
Besides, he said, he believes his boy is still alive.
“I know the searches have to be done but I don’t think they will find anything,” he said.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/09/kyron_hormans_mother_says_more_2.html
(MBS)
I was unable to find a direct quote from Kaine about Desiree’s searches but it seems pretty clear what his thoughts are, and I assume his beliefs remain the same. Anyone know otherwise?
@January. iirc from recent reading, Redwine boy was found in an LE sweep of an entire 12 mile rugged ridge. While WK says she was near where LE found the bone fragments, LE seems to have ignored what she did and began at the the beginning of a significant long geographical feature within a certain proximity to the disappearance site. While found 10 miles from his home, varmits could have drug the bones far. That is why it was valuable to conduct the intensive search for 5 consecutive days in a large geographic fearure sweep, otherwise animals could move bones between locations with 1-2 day events like mcso has done. Redwine le proved no geographic terrain is too rugged to find bone fragments if you define the right area, have expert qualified cadaver dogs, a large enough search force, & go at it for at least 5 days until the entire geographic feature has been swept.
the movement of bones & work of Redwine LE in a specific geographic area that was broad but interconnected, makes me think defining a search grid in an area like Skyline is highly specialized, intersecting criminalist principles (based on statistics), and a geologists’ as well as foresters’ as well as animal biologists’knowledge of contiguous features of land masses. To me identifying a search grid/work plan is far beyond Herron/mcso competence, and well
beyond volunteer WK, and so sorry also Dennis. Still hoping for the best. But wish Desiree would spend all her time & energy agotating for fbi takeover, perhaps using Canby steriod issues tied to local le as a DOJ wedge.
Rose says:
August 24, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Thanks for your tenacity MBS.
I gather she was nowhere in sight
when a 5-day large LE search with a systematic approach
w/LE dogs located scant bones.
I gather her sine qua non is interviewing
the parents, which she insisted on with
Mr Redwine, tho hired by his adversarial
accuser, Mrs Redwine, none of which interview is privileged & all
her testimony about the Mr R interview will
end up in Court imo. Whether or not he’d agree
to be interviewedby her was plastered all over the
media as to whether he was “cooperative,”tho she’s not LE.
Watch for same technique imo from WK wrt TMH: demands to be interviewed
to “help” the search, followed by excoriation in media as not cooperative
when TMH refuses.
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@Rose – the part about getting to know the missing person better to help them search got my attention, too.
From my earlier links that didn’t want to post – “K-9 Forensics met with Redwine’s family last week to profile the teen. They said it helps them search when they get to know more about the missing person.”
My first response (to myself) was she sounds like a psychic – just a split second thought. Now I’m curious – I can understand knowing physical facts about the person (size, etc.) and a lot about the person’s abilities and personality if lost rather than taken. However, that’s where it stops for me.
I can understand interviews if you are hoping someone will slip up and mention something you would consider a “clue”. I can imagine if you had a suspect that knowing more about that particular person would be useful. But that seems beyond the role of searchers of any type.
I suppose by a real stretch of the imagination you could interview someone you thought was a possible suspect and skip any places they suggested to search (assuming they would talk to you)?
So if anything (verbal) comes up in any of her efforts to profile Kyron (assuming she knows how to do that), what sort of witness would she be?
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http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1138
Boy’s family opens up Vallecito ice
3/1/2013 By: Melanie B. Mazur
“On Tuesday, Kessenger brought her dogs to Bayfield Elementary for a safety presentation, “Sadie Says,” to third-grade classes. Kessinger explained that when a human walks by, he sheds skin flakes. Bloodhounds use their floppy ears to push the scent into the wrinkles in their face to keep the scent.”
Did not know this about floppy ears and wrinkles.
Regarding the SZ in this crime, is there any probability that he has involved himself in other crimes since the abduction of Kyron?
FWIW, Ariel Castro waited a period of time before abducting his second and third victims.
Are there any newer or older cases with distinct similarities to this case? I just don’t see this SZ committing this type of crime and then push the “stop” button. I do not think we have a profile, but how does this guy control his actions? Could his actions be controlled by incarceration, illness, or even death?
Excellent Question Cindy. This profile has a high probability of going off grid through some means. BTK remained dormant for 16 years. If this profile is correct, it is rare, and any profiler outside of those that have actually worked similar cases on the ground should (and I include myself, as I have studied them, and trained under those that have worked them, it is not the same) be cautious about what we “think we know.”
B
Blink,
You said TMH learned recently of the exchange with the teacher.
Did TMH also learn of any description(s) for the male involved?
Sorry wpg, I don’t know what quote you are referencing, and I have no knowledge of what TMH may know or not know about SZ, only my assumption that it was likely posited to her in interview as a way to present a scenario that excluded her involvement.
It would be my strategy if I were interviewing her, again, given what we know about her interviews so far, the only thing I am sure of is that they are against protocol.
B
i hope for part 2 soon also but there are so many other cases going on that are just happening when a recovery window is prob at a higher probability than kyron’s unfortunately (alexis murphy..very intense case given the location and possible nexus to other missing people in that area of VA) and i am pretty sure blink does private work as well.
also, maybe since part 1 was published it ruffled some feathers with some people, and shook some memories of parents at skyline or others, maybe it led to more tips being generated? all i know is victims advocacy is why this is the best group
Speaking of TY’s Big Case, did you notice this, near the bottom of the article:
“The Supreme Court ruled that important evidence about a knife Russell was alleged to have shown to others, and also alleged threats he made earlier that night, was withheld from jurors during the first trial.”
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/fb/94/f4/fb94f460454dae1db5ee8cf3bf9e0165.jpg
seems that withholding evidence is a valid strategy to TY.
We have discussed the close ties between DA, Max, both judges, LE, K’s attorneys. We’ve talked about the synagogue several attend as well as their social ties. We have also talked about the after school program run by Portland Jewish Academy. Some details are interesting. There are only 5 programs around portland, and only 2 have K-7th grade programs, one of them being Skyline. It’s from 2 pm to 6 pm. So this would have been “in session” when K and T went to the school on June 4. some of Kyron’s classmates were probably in it. It seems that Kyron attended this program when he was in Kindergarten, so he would know and be known to these teachers. Could it have been one of these who wanted Kyron to help bring something from his car? He would look familiar to Ms Matthews and to Kyron, who would not be alarmed or hesitate to help someone from the after school program.
http://www.portlandjewishacademy.org/page.cfm?p=346
This again raises the issue of why LE has been so protective of the school, revealing not one shred of information about what went on at the school that day. It would not be unreasonable if some of those after school teachers were friends and relatives to these many key players in this drama.
One week after Kyron disappeared,
Police have also not found evidence pointing to the idea that the Oregon second-grader was abducted, reports CNN.
Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton told CNN, “The child is still characterized as a missing child. There’s just no indication on anything we’ve got at this point that it was an abduction.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20007450-504083.html
Here’s what I’m not getting, where were these witness accounts of SZ at this time? Did these witnesses not come forward until much later into this investigation? OR what? Did these witnesses originally think that this SZ was someone else and then later it turned it the person they *thought* it was, wasn’t there that day, or said he wasn’t there that day? Would this make sense of the TF List?
Maybe they’re basing their search on some psychic or something? Remember this report?:
Ex-Remote Viewer Lends Hand In Kyron Case 7-21-2010
The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office received some unsolicited help from a former military investigator this week in the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.
Edward Dames, a retired remote viewer who once worked with the Army, worked with his team for three weeks to try to determine the physical location of the missing boy, who has not been since June 4 at Skyline School in northwest Portland.
Dames said the missing boy is located on private property roughly 10 miles south of the school.
“He’s not where police are searching,” he said. “(He’s) not in the water and not that far away.”
A remote viewer is a specialized psychic once used by the CIA and U.S. military during the cold war. Dames was the inspiration for the movie “The Men Who Stare At Goats.”
He said he uses a mental technique to locate a missing person’s geographic location and then goes out into the field to find the target. However, Dames said he’s unable to do so in this case because he said the boy is on private property, which can present unknown dangers for his team.
Dames’ report was sent to the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, which is the lead agency in the criminal investigation.
Multnomah County deputies confirmed they received the report, which Dames said pinpoints Kyron’s location within 60 feet. A spokeswoman with the sheriff’s office said an investigator is examining leads from the report and following up on anything it generates.
Dames said he often works on missing or exploited children cases when he has downtime between contracts. He said he has been involved “both quietly and not so quietly” with many cases over the years, but he “doesn’t usually work with law enforcement agencies.
“”It’s totally a public service. I’m a parent,” Dames said. “The idea that a child is missing and no closure to that hell would be hell on earth as a parent.”
(snipped)
http://www.kptv.com/story/14792325/ex-remote-viewer-lends-hand-in-kyron-case-7-21-2010?clienttype=printable
If they’ve followed up on all 3000+ leads, and came up empty, then maybe they are looking at some of the psychic tips. IDK, but I don’t think this area has ever been searched. I could be wrong, but I don’t recall any searches 10 miles to the south?
It will be interesting to see where they search.
Part 2? Is it here?
there is a missing (18 yo) boy in Oregon, Johnathan Croom,
and goodness save any boy from the laziness & judgment
of the Douglas County Sheriff.
How can anyone look at him & not see VCFS (or
comparable generic variation) impacting cognition.
Spitting image of Quinn Bradlee who said he was finally diagnosed
ibecause Dr took one look at his face and recognized the features
when he walked in. Distinctive features.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/jan-june09/bradlee_05-06.html
OT like the last one.
imo 18 yo Croom, lost in Oregon, has learning disabilities secondary to some genetic variation, and a cursory look at his writing shows him recently struggling to get a GED, taking a mammoth scarey step into community college, and longstanding depression no doubt due to those LDs & adjustment transitional cognitive challenges. So my opinion is the Sheriff of Douglas Cty is not worth what local taxpayers give him in his inability to do a Real Search.
http://johnathancroom.com/2012/12/
snip: ” Since yesterday’s post was so depressing, I’m going to start today with some action steps on what I plan to accomplish.
Begin working at 8am and work more than an hour as usual.
Sign up for the GED.
Buy the GED book (as embarrassing as that is).
Buy a multimeter in an attempt to keep my car alive.
That may not seem like a lot but it is pretty significant considering I leave my house once a week. ”
“I dropped out of high school about two months ago. I’ve spent that last two months confused and troubled about what to do. A series of very bad decisions ultimately led to this, and that’s that.”
gimme a break.
Hdqtrs of Douglas Cty is Roseburg.
No wonder Warriors run amuck there.
Pity Croom’s path was thru there.
Blink,
This snippet of your reply to Kim from PA is what I was recalling:
____
Kim from PA says:
August 7, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Too much of this doesn’t make sense to me right now.
Why would TH not scream and yell at the top of her lungs to who ever will listen that Ms. Mathews saw Kyron leave with an unknown male and not return? The only reasons I can think of is a.) she was not aware (doubtful) or b.) she can be connected to this man through some sort of illegal behavior.
Otherwise, I would think she would be trying to do anything she could to show she had nothing to do with Kyron’s disappearance and she would not miss 3 years of Kiara’s life.
Even if LE, Kaine, and Desaree were blaming TH and saying she knew the man, if there is no connection and TH knows there is no connection I would think she would be shouting this from rooftops.
Instead she is silent, hiding, and hasn’t seen her dgt in 3 years.
And who is Ms. Matthews? Is she still at the school in charge of children?
____
Blink replies:
(snipped)
Kim from the great state of PA- I do not believe TH knew about Ms. Mathews exchange until recently- and that is supposition on my part.
Thank you, I was speculating that since most witnesses I interviewed were not aware, that she was not, and I presume factual witness accounts that did not include any involvement on her part were an impetus to her and her team asserting her rights, finally.
B
@Blink
I so appreciate your continuing coverage of this case.
Also waiting to hear of the search location(s).
As per Wendy Kessinger, they are bringing 6 K-9′s.
oops, sorry, Blink, forgot the link to your (full) reply to Kim in PA:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/08/06/kyron-horman-exclusive-report-new-suspect-and-botched-investigation-rumors-abound-terri-horman-prepares-to-fight-for-couples-daughter-following-seclusion/comment-page-1/#comments
OT.
sadly, but expectably: http://www.kpic.com/news/local/Body-of-missing-teen-found-221257681.html?m=y&smobile=y&clmob=y&c=n
God Bless, and how horribly sad.
B
Body found 1,000 ft from car.
Sheriff’s press re his 18 yo’s searches:
“Douglas County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Dwes Hutson said this morning that ground searches of the area where the vehicle was found have turned up no leads.
Douglas County Search and Rescue crews scoured the Cow Creek area near Yokum Road on Saturday and the Sheriff’s Office will continue to conduct limited searches, including air searches, based on leads from members of the public.”
http://www.nrtoday.com/news/7869261-113/croom-johnathan-friend-area
I wonder about Sheriff Staton’d search avowal wrt Kyron.
Imo back to Ground Zero with cadaver dogs not belonging to mcso; Also periphery of road from Skyline each direction for ? miles.
Gotta get a different LE entity than mcso to formulate search grids.
Ten miles south of Skyline Elementary School would put Kyron in Aloha where Hormans used to live (and maybe a former neighbor or associate is involved).
The map shows Cooper Mountain, which is all developed now, but I’m thinking that the Aloha location that was his former home would more likely.
What’s irritating is that these so-called psychics leak all sorts of mysterious clues, but if they REALLY know anything, they would spit it out. Poor little Kyron.
How many of the Hormans’ former neighbors have been investigated?
@T. Ruth says: August 26, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Maybe they’re basing their search on some psychic or something? Remember this report?:
Ex-Remote Viewer Lends Hand In Kyron Case 7-21-2010
The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office received some unsolicited help from a former military investigator this week in the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.
Edward Dames, a retired remote viewer who once worked with the Army, worked with his team for three weeks to try to determine the physical location of the missing boy, who has not been since June 4 at Skyline School in northwest Portland.
Dames said the missing boy is located on private property roughly 10 miles south of the school.
I don’t know this Dames person, but to your point I agree. 10 miles in any direction of the last known sighting of a child abduction victim is pretty much an industry standard in terms of a search grid. In general if a filicide, less than that- usually within 2-3 miles.
B
“Thank you, I was speculating that since most witnesses I interviewed were not aware, that she was not, and I presume factual witness accounts that did not include any involvement on her part were an impetus to her and her team asserting her rights, finally.”
B
Ah, okay, Blink, so you were offering a theoretical answer on the “why wait 3 years to make a legal move” question that many have. I get it now.
The financial aspects of the divorce may be interesting, moo.
from Olive article dated June 5, 2010:
“Carol Moulton said that Kaine, 36, and Terri, 40, have been together for seven or eight years and that they have been married for four or five years.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html
^^ No on the being married for 4 or 5 years . . . K and T had been married a tad over 3 years when that article was written. Married April 2007.
Kyron was born September 9, 2002.
T and her son J moved in with K (into his Aloha house) mid-December 2002.
Apparently Oregon doesn’t recognize common-law marriage/cohabitation, so who knows if there will be any financial consideration for the years prior to marriage.
I wonder what TMH and ger counsel actually know about the case.
Obviously, TMH knows what she did on that fateful day, but does she actually know any more than we do about what was witnessed at the school that day.
She may be a “de facto suspect” and LE has hinted at times that she is, but has never been formally stated to be so, and no charges have been filed. As a result, she has no more access to LE’s investigation than the general public, and obviously less than KH and DY, both of whom have been provided with strategic leaks.
In fact, LE has gone to great links to make sure she cannot obtain that information. Depositions in the civil case were halted as soon as TMH tried to depose individuals. The restraining order, as well as the current temporary order, prevents her from going to Skyline to investigate. The restraining order itself appears to have been allowed to lapse so that she could not obtain LE’s evidence leading to the MFH sting. Her attorneys seem to have great difficulty in obtaining any information from LE such as the 911 calls.
Additionally, LE was suspicious of her from the very beginning, and interrogated her multiple times. It is quite likely that she was given false information during those sessions as part of routine police interrogation.
Her defense counsel likely has had investigators obtain information independently and she may access to information we do not have, but, since she has not been charged, her defense team can only interview persons who voluntarily consent (and I suspect LE has encouraged most of those involved not to do so).
I don’t know if she is guilty or innocent, but it is about time for LE to lay their cards on the table. If there is evidence of her guilt, give her the chance to disprove it. In fact, if she does disprove LE allegations, it might lead LE in different and hopefully more fuitful investigative directions.
Unbelievable hot mess.
B
grasshopper says:
August 26, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Speaking of TY’s Big Case, did you notice this, near the bottom of the article:
“The Supreme Court ruled that important evidence about a knife Russell was alleged to have shown to others, and also alleged threats he made earlier that night, was withheld from jurors during the first trial.”
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/fb/94/f4/fb94f460454dae1db5ee8cf3bf9e0165.jpg
seems that withholding evidence is a valid strategy to TY.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
@grasshopper, with great respect, it is the judge, not LE, who determines which evidence will be admitted into trial.
I hate to put too much thought into what Dames said, but I did check on the map and from Skyline School it’s almost 10 miles south to the Aloha branch of Intel. Not direct south, but in that direction. I’m sure it’s all nothing but just found that interesting.
Today’s update on Missing Kyron Horman FB page regarding this weekend’s search and who will be leading it: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?hc_location=stream
Reminder to all:
THIS WEEKEND – SEARCH PLANNED.
We have a search date set. Please see the following announcement from Kyron’s Family:
We have been successful in acquiring 2 non-profit agencies to help with our search, currently scheduled for Labor Day weekend.
A big Thank You to Brad Dennis with Klaas Kids to agreeing to help coordinate our search, as well as bringing in additional resources.
Another huge Thank You to Wendy Kessinger with ISC K-9 Forensics and her entire team for agreeing to bring out her dog teams.
If you would like to volunteer to help with the search an email has to be sent to justice4kyron@yahoo.com for each individual interested. Please understand law enforcement will be receiving copies of all the forms filled out and that we are the only source for that form.
Requirements to volunteer:
*Must be 18 years of age or older.
*Physically able to handle rough terrain.
*No major medical conditions that would limit your ability to handle the terrain.
Thank you to all of you who have donated and supported us over the past 3 years in the search to find our Kyron. Your donations have helped tremendously in bringing these agencies in, and we wouldn’t have been able to do it without you.
To our Ky:
We promise we will find you.
We will never stop.
They found Jonathan Croom’s body some 1,000 feet from his vehicle. They are investigating it as a suicide.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/police-missing-ariz-teen-spoke-running-away
I knew there was something strange about this whole story, nobody pulls off in Riddle to go Into the Wild. Sad, prayers for his family.
This is OT but felt the need to post:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teacher-30-day-sentence-sex-teen-girl-killed-article-1.1438205
This teacher is only getting 30 days in jail for non-consentual sex with his 14 year old student. The girl committed suicide while waiting for the trial.
This guy was kicked out of a sex offender program because he missed meetings and had unsupervised visits with minors. He also was accused at a prior school of touching a girl’s leg and waist. The principal at this new school knew of this and made sure to tell him ‘don’t touch or be alone with female students’.
The judge handling the case says that the girl was ‘as much in control of the situation’ as the teacher. He also said the girl was ‘older than her chronological age’.
WHAT the hell does that mean??? She was a 14 year old child!
This disgusts me. I have no other words.
O my everloving Pete- That is a disgrace- Just sickening.
B
I take this to mean that an investigative subpoena does not offer immunity, limited or otherwise.
erose says:
August 25, 2013 at 3:30 pm
snip>
This is not to anyone in particular, but I really do not understand how some seem to complicate a very simple issue- if DS had incriminating information to offer against TMH, the DA would not hesitate to seek a true bill. Now, we don’t know for sure if DS was compelled to testify under a standard witness immunity, or if she was compelled via investigative subpoena. Neither does Rosenthal, Houze ( although I maintain he has plenty of sources)
sorry, yes, it does, the witness is represented in fact, a tad different than a regular GJ appearance. They are largely used to compare the witness under oath, in the event new leads impeach them. That person is then subject to perjury or lying under oath and the immunity would be null- the prosecutor is only ever going to ask questions they don’t care about in terms of the queen for a day.
B
Speculation, Motivation: If TMH is actually guilty of anything, she would go to jail, or definitely not be able to ever see her daughter, so she wouldn’t be much motivated to talk.
It’s possible that she wouldn’t ever get to see her daughter anyway – whether she is guilty of anything or not. So she is probably not motivated to cooperate and can just hope that her lawyer gets enough focus onto an SZ that she will be let go.
Whgy6 are people so much more suspicious of TMH than they are of KH?
He could just be a craftier, sneak. And she could just be a blabbermouth, thereby focusing attention on herself.
Just how closely is LE really checking KH’s motivations for “stashing”? I still think that TMH really cared for little Kyron – he was with him since he was born. IOW if KH filled her head with all sorts of opinions of DY, many skewed.
Don’t any of the grandparents care? They seem to be extremely silent.
SHE was with him. sorry for the typos, also first line…”Why…”
[Nothing like monopolizing this discussion with my opinions...]
Yes, forgot about Intel. KH may have worked there when they lived in Aloha, but I think he went to the Hillsboro campus later (about 8 miles farther west).
Their home was also in Aloha and I just wonder how much contact they kept with their former neighbors … also if any of them were fixated on TMH for any reason, or irked at KH for any reason — enough for motivation. But I often think it sounds more like a drug or gym-drug type of transaction that might have gone wrong.
Odd that none of the Skyline folks are sticking up for either one of Kyron’s parents.
By the way, Dames should put up or shut up.
all of the other so-called psychics, too. None seems to be much help.
@Tarheel says: August 27, 2013 at 11:56 am
I hate to put too much thought into what Dames said, but I did check on the map and from Skyline School it’s almost 10 miles south to the Aloha branch of Intel. Not direct south, but in that direction. I’m sure it’s all nothing but just found that interesting
So DDS, who did not testify the first go ’round with the GJ, and plead the 5th in most of the civil case, could have been represented by an attorney in her GJ testimony (IF it were an investigative subpoena) which I am likening to someone being a hostile witness.)
IIRC, she was always said by LE to be cooperative, and they had issued a warrant on her condo, so any electronic communications she had were discovered. Just guessing, but her testimony probably focused on what she knew about TH, and her relationship with her. Wonder how many questions were asked, and the % of “I don’t know” answers she gave.
It CAN be a hostile scenario, yes, but they can be used for testimony that the prosecutor deems as not ready for a gj- OR if it is duplicate to something already presented that was suspended or a no bill resulted, but that he feels need be preserved.
B
@GraceitHills. Unless the DA withheld this exculpatory evidence from Judge & defense attorney–that would garner a re- trial. Of course for an i divent defendant, unless repped by a Public Defender, he’d fare no better. TY while he sat by DA’s side he says seemed unaware of this exculpatory evidence to the Defense issue in trial 1 & felt confident in his 8 white assaultive witnesses.
Blink,
While there appears to be a focus on the “gym” connection, there is another aspect to DDS that isn’t really touched on – - – she is a daughter of LE.
That is one of the things that sets her apart from the other friends that were meeting at the home in July 2010.
(one way MC was set apart is that he was still in contact with KH)
Is it possible that one of the questions posed to DDS at the GJ was along the lines of during your 10 day stay at the home, were you ever asked to find out information regarding the investigation through your LE relationships?
In other words, Blink, is it possible there was an attempt to take advantage of DDS?
I don’t know, but would be at a loss as to why.
B
snipped from today’s KGW article (link includes video):
“There are a number of troubling aspects of husband’s prior conduct and parental decisions,” wrote lawyer Peter Bunch. “Husband and the police have perpetuated the dissemination of inaccurate information about the circumstances of the disappearance of Kyron Horman.”
http://www.kgw.com/home/Gloves-come-off-in-divorce-between-Kaine-Terri-Horman–221410121.html
I’m very troubled reading this.
Yes, it does appear that TMH and/or her legal team could have been given certain information recently, considering the timing.
By whom?
wpg- You picked up what was also the critical sentence to me in that filing. Bunch has called out BOTH Kaine and LE as to the inaccuracy of their statements regarding the circumstances of Ky’s disappearance, but that is not all- they allege “perpetration and dissemination”. He used the word inaccurate artfully, imo. And imo, will be the window to compel at least the members of LE that HAVE SPOKEN PUBLICLY or been interviewed for any medium in addition to Kaine being deposed as to how he came upon anything he used to unilaterally cut off custody and visitation between Mother and daughter.
As an example, your usual astuteness prompted you to ask me about my thoughts on why, if Both Kaine and Capt Gates ( Staton is on record saying Ky was seen later than this) stated on AMW that TH was the last person to be seen with Ky at 8:45am when they both knew that was not accurate? You went on to query if I thought they were simply misleading the viewing public ( or words to that effect). As I am confident they both have different witness information to invalidate such a statement, I still do not have a good answer outside of the fact that we are going to find out if TMH’s lawyers have their way.
A few other thoughts:
1. Does this magic 8:45am time, repeated recently by the principals in the case, ( Kaine and Gates AMW) relate to my piece about non-regular school day v recreation in terms of negligence or liability, and they are aware of same- OR is their a jurisdictional question that arises I am not aware of. PPB had 12 detectives at the ready, need I say more.
2. “Them’s” civil words. TMH will be filing a civil suit alleging parental interference, loss of consortium, alienations et al. It is true that for investigative reasons LE does not have to be truthful with a non-mirandized interviewee, HOWEVER, those boundaries are not invisible non-working fencing. Especially when you have the intimation of intent here.
In short, if someone told a LEO they had the right to use false or inaccurate information, given to others, to squeeze TMH out of her marriage, motherhood, home, and access to income you may as well put out the guest soaps for the ACLU.
The divorce/custody issues are apparently not going to settle as I predicted.
You know what I really wonder about? After Kaine’s attorneys read that response, full out accusation and all- who had the nads to ask what could the respondent be talking about and what is our exposure?
Did Kaine pick up the horn and call his regular lunch pal Staton and say- Hey- is there any truth to the fact that investigators have lied to both me/and/or the public and I have some exposure now? Rhetorical- hell to the no. A court WILL order dual evaluations, Kaine WILL pay for them, and in just the evaluation portion there will be no way for him not to address what prompted the RO’s and to justify his affidavits going forward.
Er go- there will be buses. People will be tossed under them and in full visual proximity.
Lastly- a note to the MSM locally because you know you read here daily and have from my first article on the case.
What is your exposure if you were in the food chain of dissemminating and perpetuating information you did not question, or fact check to journalistic standard? Is this why the taglines of years gone by “TMH was the last person to be seen with Kyron” have begun to blur after 3 years?
B
Ummm huh, fwiw, 10 miles due south is (if I ‘m looking at my Google maps right) is right around where the Hormans used to live, and not that far from the Walker Rd. Fred Meyers store. I don’t know how much to put into this type of stuff, if any at all, but…… if they have indeed gone through all those binders (3000+ tips) and came up empty, if Kyron were my missing son or grandson, I would not hesitate to look at some psychic’s tips. JMO Just wondering why and where they are going to search, I guess we’ll see. I too, just hope it the search may lead to him in some way or another.
Just say to NO to psychics, lol. Think about it this way- if they were effective, Kyron would have been located. I am positive at least hundreds of those tips are indeed from psychics.
B
wpg says:
August 27, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Interesting point, wpg. I have always figured that (MOO) one of the reasons KH & DY & TY came forth about Dede giving Terri advice that would not help find Kyron (or however they said it) had to do with Dede being the one to point Terri to Houze. IMHO, the one who would have advised Dede/Terri of such (if it happened) would have been her dad.
That being said, this part you said:
“Is it possible that one of the questions posed to DDS at the GJ was along the lines of during your 10 day stay at the home, were you ever asked to find out information regarding the investigation through your LE relationships?”
To the best of my knowledge, Dede was not asked any questions the day she was first summoned to the GJ. IMHO, there was a reason for this. LE flat-out thought that Dede could have been TMH’s accomplice. Generally, unless offered immunity the *suspected perps* are not part of the GJ process of questioning.
IMO, Dede was first called to appear before the GJ to simply further rattle the red squirrel’s cage, why else does anyone think she was called there? Does anyone remember the flat-out surprise that both Kaine & Desiree expressed when they found out that Dede had been called before the GJ? It was weird. If either of these two parents thought Dede was at allllllllll involved, why would they express surprise? Not going to go look for the link now, but those of you who have been here awhile, will remember the interview I’m referring to.
Okay, so revisiting your question, do you mean now? Now that she is being asked questions by the GJ? What are they asking her?
Back then, TJ, Dede’s alleged cousin, said at one point, that Dede had already been offered immunity if she would just come forward and offer something to pin this on Terri. From some notes ( no linky no more, but this was from GLP, which most of us are familiar with, the best I can tell you all is this was somewhere around Nov. 2010):
“Before the GJ;
Dede said the Assistant DA and the lead detectives have offered her immunity and all kinds of deals if she would give info that would implicate Terri, or info as to where Kyron is.
But Dede says she has no info to give as to either, she says she simply has no information that would implicate Terri or find Kyron.
The Grand Jury;
she said in the GJ there was no “stand” just a simple room with chairs and a table, the members of the jury and the assistant DA.
There was no “swearing in” or oath taking.
Everything is recorded and can be used against you in court.
She said the GJ never told her to keep silent.
Dede said she has never plead the 5th and has always answered all questions.”
*************
Don’t have any idea to the validity of these statements, but just thought I’d put them out for folks who may have not have seen them.
So that odd Thomas suggested that she testified before the gj before she actually did? Bizarre.
B
Urgent and Heartfelt and Respectful PLEA to all Skyline families!!!
Question? Any gossip out there to how these revelations (in this article) have faired amongst the community? I have prayed this would open (re-open) doors that had been shut or forgotten.
Something….anything…WHATEVER IT TAKES!! has got to give…for Kyron.
Kyron deserves his full story to be told, regardless of who is responsible.
This whole “hot mess” is the fault of incompetent, unorganized, pompous, thinks “they know it all” LE. Complete FAIL thus far, in my opinion!
Come on, there are witnesses who really know something that has not yet been revealed.
Anyone who knows something (or truly believes they may know something) needs to speak up…even if you don’t know what ultimately happened, or feel it could be just a small clue, speak up again and again until your are heard.
****If what you know is different than what LE and MSM has been spewing since Day 5, then you MUST also KNOW, by now, this whole “hot mess” can’t be straightened out without coming forward with what you know. LE may have asked you to not tell your story to protect the case, but if they haven’t been in contact with you regarding Kyron in the last year, please tell someone else what you know.
Please PLEASE please…Contact Blinkoncrime.com privately to tell your story and eyewitness accounts.
I believe many skyline witnesses have contacted MCSO or were interviewed by MCSO and/or called the tipline and have been basically dismissed or ignored.
***You will not be ignored here, Blink and all her Blinksters family desperately pray for Kyron’s mystery to be solved. Even if you’ve told your story numerous times, if has not or is not being told elsewhere, please tell it here. There are hidden pieces to this puzzle that may be the final piece needed to solve this. Blink has pieces she is holding until more come together. I sincerely ask you to put any fears you have away and do it for Kyron.
These are all my own personal requests and pleas…I am not associated with blinkoncrime.com or officially a member of organization that supports or benefits from blinkoncrime.com. I am simply a concerned soul who has grown to love Kyron and follow the progress (or LACK of same) to know.
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
@MBS. She took same interview demand approach combined with press wrt to adversarial fathers (to mothers) in missing Tammy iirc. or maybe Cody.
My Brain is fried driving 2 State turnpikes always under construction, & I’ve just come to lite, iphone in hand.
I believe Cody’s noncustodial mother could reasonably be one of DY’s support sources (aka guidance).
As for 2 nonprofits utilized virtually this same week in 2011 (why emphasize donations now, not then?), and the LE roll, maybe someone can check her comment re Mark Herron’s iirc in early 2012 on FB Roseburg group.
Saw it once briefly & iirc it was answering a question about her searches.