Kyron Horman Exclusive Report: New Suspect And Botched Investigation Rumors Abound- Terri Horman Prepares To Fight For Couples Daughter Following Seclusion
If you are reading this and have followed the Kyron Homan disappearance coverage since he vanished from Skyline School on June 4th 2010, you know my coverage and commentary has focused on the macro analysis of the case details- both publicly available and via developed sources. This report contains newly released information known to law enforcement. It’s contents, to include reader commentary and moderation response, may not be reproduced or copied without express written consent by it’s author in accordance with applicable copyright law.
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Last Week’s Meet And Greet
On Tuesday July 30th, the attorneys representing Terri Moulton Horman, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young attended a series of case hearings. Not held in chambers as announced, but public guests were barred.
On the docket- Desiree Young’s “stay” status of the $10 million dollar civil tort action brought against Terri Horman and the dissolution (divorce and custody) litigation brought by Kaine Horman, Terri’s estranged husband. Until July 26th, there were additional hearings and status conferences scheduled for the recently renewed Freedom From Abuse and Protection Act (FAPA) motion to contest and compel depositions in the restraining order prohibiting Terri Horman from contact with the couple’s daughter Kiara, now 5 years old. Horman has not seen her daughter since June 2010 despite several attempts through counsel to arrange parenting time. Engel, one of the attorneys representing Kaine Horman, argues that the FAPA case is consolidated with the divorce action, and therefore stayed.
Peter Bunch, counsel for Terri Horman, argues that there is no consolidation order.
Non attorney’s still do not understand how the initial proceeding to renew the FAPA order occurred when the plaintiff failed to file the required motion and accompanying affidavits in advance as required, or even serve the respondent’s attorneys until ordered to do so by Judge Henry Kantor once the hearing commenced. Kantor ordered the renewal anyway. I will let the goodly Oregon bar members weigh in on that anomaly.
That was then. This is now.
As of July 31st, the FAPA restraining order was expired and a civil no contact order was put in its place. The dissolution matter (divorce) stay has been lifted and Desiree Young announced she was instructing her attorney’s to withdraw the $10 million dollar suit financed by public donations.
On the same front steps where Atty Rosenthal announced that they were launching the suit to peel the onion that is to include law enforcement, and to “make Terri Horman talk” was withdrawn in similar fashion.
However, on this occasion, Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill was not spotted on the steps observing. Rosenthal and Young indicated the recent appearance and testimony of former object of compulsion to testify, DeDe Spicher, as well as information that the investigative case file necessary (their words) to prove their claims would not be forthcoming. In an article analyzing the suit appearing on BOC it was predicted that Ms. Young would face possible countersuit and associated fees should the suit continue as filed.
Attorneys for both Kaine and Terri appeared before Multnomah County Circuit Family law Judge Susan Svetkey on August 1, 2013. Judge Svetkey is Houze’s wife. The docket information for that hearing has not yet been entered into the file as of this publication.
The only comment about the withdrawal of the civil tort action by Stephen Houze:
“The lawsuit was unfounded and lacking in legal merit,” Houze said. “One can only hope that the dismissal of this meritless lawsuit receives the same degree of media scrutiny as was given to its filing.”
In recent interviews, Kaine Horman has intimated that his wife has expressed her desire to help find Kyron, or at least contribute to excluding herself as a possible suspect. He also admitted that he no longer has any communication with Desiree Young, Kyron’s mother. He sometimes wonders what law enforcement is actually doing on his son’s case. This is a firm departure from how Mr. Horman initially retained his six figure attorney Laura Rackner of Gearing, Rackner, and Engel & McGrath. Ms. Rackner appears to have promulgated her duties of late to her partner, Brett Engel.
This all seemed to start when formidable and well known tort Attorney Mark Wagner came out of retirement to appear as counsel for Terri Horman. Wagner and Rackner know each other, and Rackner is no stranger to LE –based dissolution entanglements.
In fact, Wagner represented her and her previous firm successfully.
Bagel Finagle
Kaine Horman’s attorney Laura Rackner is no stranger to law enforcement infused litigation. She is a former prosecutor for Oregon’s department of Justice, The U.S. Department of Justice, and Office of Chief Counsel. Ms. Rackner has specificity in Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) casework.
Born in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Laura received her B.S. in 1979 and her J.D. in 1984, both from the University of Oregon.
Prior to entering private practice, Laura served as deputy district attorney in the Marion County District Attorney’s Office; assistant attorney general in the Oregon Department of Justice; and on the staff of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Chief Counsel, Drug Enforcement Administration.
Record Scratch.
Martin Rob Cagan, The bagel king and according to him, a supreme target of a police shakedown at the hands of his former spouse’s attorneys was the litigious sort.
In fact, this may be how Atty Wagner decides to come out of retirement and become part of Terri Horman’s defense team while the civil suit was active.
Wagner’s firm represented Ms. Rackner in a suit filed by Rob Cagan in which he sued the Dueshete Police Department, A partner in the firm representing Caroleen Vanhoomissen, the suit (or ramblings of a very angry divorcee) alleges that the firm and its lawyers facilitated the difficulties of Mr. Cagan utilizing law enforcement sources directly by the attorneys was dismissed.
Ms. Vanhoomissen, the sister of Judge Vanhoomissen is also the owner of a horse farm in Bend, Oregon. Blinkoncrime was unable to verify if it was the Bend horse farm searched in the early days of the investigation for Kyron.
Attorney Rackner’s prior working relationship with the DEA, the very agency that supplied the undercover officer in the failed sting involving Horman landscaper Rudy Sanchez begs the question- Did Rackner use her contacts and/or credentials to facilitate a surreptitious ruse to gain favor for her client in anticipation of his wife’s potential arrest?
Kaine is on record that law enforcement informed him they had probable cause to arrest Terri. What is not on record, is what came first- the referral to Rackner.
I just want to do what I can to help law enforcement
Seems like an odd comment coming from a family attorney with a background as a prosecutor working with the DEA, which agency subsequently becomes involved in the case- or initially led to her representation- the chicken or the egg facts remain unclear.
The ex parte and originally sealed restraining order did not exclude Terri Horman from the marital home. Was this an oversight of a very seasoned family attorney or was the basis of the now defunct restraining order as provided to Kaine Horman and Laura Rackner by law enforcement effectively invalidated by Terri Horman calling 911?
Is the reason that Atty Engel seems to have taken over representation of Kaine Horman due to the fact that these actions could render Ms. Rackner a witness in her client’s case as opposed to his Attorney?
In the motions and subsequent hearing scheduled for July 30th, the only available arguments outside of the parties agreement is to contest the basis for the FAPA order- or, the allegation Kaine Horman has made within his affidavits more than once, that his wife tried to hire “our landscaper” to kill him, and that she is being investigated for “violent crimes.”
The outcome?
The order was converted to a civil no-contact order which has not yet been added to the file for public review.
Desiree and Kaine’s respective camps both claimed “protecting the integrity of the investigation” was their only interest although the ONLY 2 witnesses who were summoned for deposition by Terri Horman’s lawyers were- the lead investigator of Kyron’s investigation for 18 months- Bobby John O’Donnell and Kaine Horman.
Back To School
Skyline School, the International Baccalaureate candidate who announced the IB open house format weeks earlier via take home handouts to its students and also by displaying the event on its marquis has never been declared a crime scene. Although in nearly every legal support brief or news coverage article Terri Horman was dubbed “the last person to be seen with Kyron Horman” or more recently by Desiree Young as “Kyron was last seen by someone who cared about him at 8:45 am” absolutely no witness account or Science Fair insider was known publicly to dispute such accounts.
Until now.
“Once I learned all that was going on that same day, in that same school, I did not understand why I was being told that Terri Horman was the suspect, and one other person… It never made sense to me that they knew Kyron was seen with someone else besides his stepmother after she left, that they seemed to not even consider another theory.” (*Editor’s Note*- parts of the source’s quote have been redacted as they would reveal identity of witnesses in an ongoing criminal investigation)
Electric Slide?
Sometime after Terri Horman left the school with her daughter Kiara in tow, she was captured on store video prior to Kyron’s exit from Skyline School. It is believed Kyron was last seen between 9:05 and 9:20 AM.
The following is a summation of multiple direct witness accounts, edited to protect witness identification only.
“…He must have been standing behind me because I only recall hearing him ask if the boy could help him bring some stuff in from his truck. I thought it was (edited) until he looked up at him and then he looked at Ms. Matthews for approval and she nodded her head yes in response. They walked out of the South entrance together and I do not recall seeing either of them again.
Classroom 1 Property of www.blinkoncrime.com
(Editor’s Note: It is believed that Desiree and Kaine’s comments about concern that instruction they gave him last year about listening to staff “came back to haunt them.” They have never acknowledged they were told about this witness account but a source close to www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed they were informed but not given a witness description.
www.blinkoncrime.com has confirmed the EXIF data on the image includes the timestamp of June 4 2010 at 8:43AM PST.
Backstory OR Backdrop?
Among the peers of Kyron Horman in attendance on June 4th, were some children whose parents may have been granted access via the open house format, although documents filed with the school and LE would preclude the parents from removing them.
In fact, the mother of a chief witness in this case was arrested that very day for attempting to fill a script that did not belong to her, in a pharmacy that Terri Horman allegedly also visited that morning.
Another child whose parents lost custody due to very long histories with substance abuse and associated criminal behavior had the additional possible misfortune of closely resembling both Kaine and Terri Horman.
Non Custodial Parent Red Long Hair
It is unknown whether either parent took the opportunity to visit the school that day, but they were not included on the published list. While barred legally from removing their child from the school they could not be barred from a publicly announced invitational. There was no ID checks or sign-in sheets for non-volunteer guests.
In an unrelated twist, the child’s Father was found deceased in front of a Portland residence in April 2012. The name of the child and Kyron’s schoolmate, guardians and parents are being intentionally withheld for this article.
Sovereignty In lieu Of..
Among the many unanswered questions in Kyron’s disappearance: Why hasn’t the school been held accountable? He disappeared on their watch- with a concise standard of care duty and plan.
What really happened?
There is no dispute that Kyron had an exchange that resulted in a teacher nodding her approval that Kyron assist a man in his stated purpose- to bring things in from his truck. There is no dispute that Kyron was last seen at Skyline School. There is no dispute that both Kyron’s parents expressed concern that last year’s discipline involving instruction on being a better listener may have come back to haunt them. They said so.
What may be in dispute, for sure, is how accurate the list of attendees at the Skyline School of June 4th, 2010 is.
As an example, one witness told Editor In Chief, S. Christina Stoy that a young male former student said hello to Susan Hall and when asked by a parent who the lad was a few days later, she said she was not sure. He is NOT on the list.
When another parent subsequently asked Ms. Hall who the student was following Kyron’s disappearance to verify he was on the published list- she responded she could not remember. Ms. Hall was the Skyline Administrative staff who contacted 911 upon speaking to Terri Horman and learning Kyron was not on the bus. Hall subsequently contacted Desiree Young. She did this while the Horman’s were on their way back to the school to see if Kyron might have thought he was being picked up that day as opposed to riding the bus or some other sort of snafu.
According to the MCSO, the school records that could assist the investigation were never requested to be preserved by investigators and as a result were deleted.
So why was the Skyline School never named as a defendant in the previously pending litigation filed by Kyron’s mother Desiree Young?
The reason may lie in the recreational designation utilized on June 4th, 2010.
According to the National Policy and Legal Analysis Network (napl) it may be a simple question of whether Kyron disappeared during the “recreational” portion of the program.
Napl’s guidance to lawyer’s advising Oregon schools can be read here. Although the overall plan is relative to an obesity initiative, it would include research and advice on any school recreational or regularly scheduled event. Please tell me Cogen does not factor into this.
The following are excerpts from the report:
…”Absent special liability protection, school districts and other providers of recreational facilities have the legal duty to take reasonable precautions to prevent injury. What is reasonable is very context specific and depends on many things: most important, the nature of the harm, the difficulty of preventing it, and generally accepted standards in the management of recreational facilities…”
…” The only immunity Oregon grants to public bodies, which include school districts,2 is discretionary government immunity.3 Discretionary government immunity applies to choices “among alternative public policies by persons to whom responsibility for such policies have been delegated.”4 To fall under the protection of this doctrine, Oregon courts have said, the choice must result from the exercise of judgment and involve a public policy or nonroutine day-to-day activity.
…” In summary, Oregon immunizes schools for policy choices its officials make, but it holds schools liable for breaches of duty that occur in carrying out those policy choices…”
…” The recreational user statute should therefore provide strong protection to Oregon schools seeking to avoid liability arising from after-hours outdoor recreational programs on school grounds. Applying this statute to indoor recreational activities, however, is much riskier, although the case law does not preclude such a strategy.
Regular School Day- Changes Things
…” In Oregon, schools owe students a duty to “supervise at all times the conduct of children on school grounds and to enforce those rules and regulations necessary to their protection. . . . The standard of care imposed upon school personnel in carrying out the duty to supervise the conduct of students is that degree of care which a person of ordinary prudence, charged with comparable duties, would exercise under the same circumstances.”37
Is the issue of liability to Skyline School relegated to what time Kyron was abducted, presuming he was abducted, as is believed?
Very possibly.
As we know, the school opened early the morning of June 4th, 2010, as was displayed on the school’s marquis at least 2 weeks prior. Without particular knowledge of when the suspect responsible for Kyron’s disappearance entered the school, and under what auspice, one is left to the timeline of Kyron’s activities as juxtaposed with the start of the school day. As a regular standard of care, one could argue that begins with a student getting on the bus, if a passenger, on their regular route. What if a bus passenger is attending the “event” outside of the bus transportation? Admittedly, it seems moot inasmuch as neither one of Kyron’s parents have filed suit against the school or named them as having any negligence or liability. That said, it remains a possibility in the event Kyron is found.
There is no question Kyron was seen after 8:45AM- which is the time that a regularly scheduled bus arrives- which would ring the bell, so to speak, on the normal school day.
To be Continued:
Roid Noise And The Boys In Blue- Publishing Thursday August 8. Preview Discussion Tonight on THE DANA PRETZER SHOW.
Ellie Sanders contributed research to this report.
Jacqueline Beaufort, contributing editor
Image retouching courtesy of Klaasend
Previous Coverage:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/
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@wpg. I thought DS’ Dad was part-time only in 2010 in a rural county on periodic lake patrol type work.
I can’t see him relating to a missing child investigation very well, or urban policing. Kind of like a SW VA
attorney relating to or having anything in common with a No VA attorney, unless they went to school together.
Different MOs.
this is old info, why is this little note being published now?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/08/terri_horman_agrees_to_limited.html#comments
Personally I will be dumfounded if psychologicals on both parents are not ordered.
This case needs a family judge, not Kantor.
Kaine’s child’s disappearance alone & his reaction to it qualifies him for a psychological for Kiara’s best interests.
http://www.kgw.com/home/Gloves-come-off-in-divorce-between-Kaine-Terri-Horman–221410121.html
Doesn’t say much but at least it’s something. Odd coincidence it comes out at the same time as the searches are about to happen.
There were only a couple of comments when I looked, but not the usual criticisms of TH for a change.
Given the newest Dissolution Slant in the Oregonian, I have just referenced the actual Declaration by Bunch that not only deliniates TMH’s response to Engel’s Motion to Require Psych Evals…but suggests that Kaine should be subject to some himself…and lists three evaluators that will do so with the two of them:
http://vwoolfexploresthenorthwest.blogspot.com/
I swear, the Oregonian is coming off as the young mothers’ club (Helen, Max, Noelle etc) or the comfy suburbanites (mentally, socially? club dropping little lines of pablum to each other on this case.
Comments, tho, are useful. TY vw for the docs.
wrt: “Further, there are a number of troubling aspects of Husband’s prior conduct and parental decisions that should be thoroughly investigated by the evaluator…. ” I suspect this refers to Terri’s knowledge of Kaine’s rejection of Desiree as primary parent for Kyr.. Watch for subpoena of DY wrt that.
I have been thinking and take the child advocacy perspective.
Wrt Kaine’s reaction to/processing of Kyron’s disappearance as his son,
the loss of his son, his primary reaction was to entirely terminate
mother/child from any contact.
the PR is this is directed to TMH to make her talk. If
she has no talk or involvement, I’ve still seen
Kaine’s cut off (splitting, whatever code words)
as vindictive or vengeful to Terri.
I was wrong. The primary, or greatest, victim of the mother/child Wall is Kiara.
The little one who couldn’t process it. Be patient. Understand.
So I have to ask, why would the disappearance of a son cause a father to cruelly cut off his daughter from her mother?
This line of thought made me remember that civil
treatment of women (DY, TH) are longstanding Kaine issues,
so why should his daughter escape the fates of DY & TH?
Very important to have a GAL asap.
Very important Kantor defer to a seasoned family judge.
Very important to have psychologicals on both.
looking forward to everyone’s reaction to kgw piece & Oregonian’s after my 11 am wakeup call…
GeorgiaDad, I appreciate your always really fine thinking.
Anyone know why The entourage appeared in front of Svetkey yet, on 8/1?
Kantor should not hear this case, although, something made him reverse himself again, without actually reversing and leaving it to the parties.
B
Since a cauldron-stirrer opined on OLive comment the 3 evaluators Bunch selected were chosen for a Particular Reason, obviously intimating bad things about litigant, I went in search of their bios & found no basis for comment.
I would opt for Loveland any day, just because I prefer working with PhD psychologists to PsyDs.
Kaine will likely chose a PsyD.
It occurred to me the moms job sharing a Kyron Kolumn, Max Helen Noelle, just might be incentivized by the Oregonian to drop a factless note deliberately written poorly to generate more hits, web traffic & comments. After all, if they do research, investigate, interview, & analyze, the “great job” and “thanks for docs” comments would be fewer.
TH agrees to see psychologist in order to get visitation with daughter.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Missing-Ore-boys-stepmom-221474971.html
“There are a number of troubling aspects of husband’s prior conduct and parental decisions,” wrote lawyer Peter Bunch. “Husband and the police have perpetuated the dissemination of inaccurate information about the circumstances of the disappearance of Kyron Horman.”
http://www.kgw.com/home/Gloves-come-off-in-divorce-between-Kaine-Terri-Horman–221410121.html
Kaine and LE have lied about the disappearance of Kyron Horman. Oh my.
Thanks for tuning in T.Ruth, I am here all week, try the veal.
Yes ma’am. They did. Believe me now?
teasing, I am fresh off of an evening where JVM did a show last night involving a piece I wrote over a year ago on the Celis case because the parents finally agreed with me.
B
Kyle Iboshi quoted Kaine in the video.
“I think that actions speak for themselves. Doesn’t matter what they put on paper.”
What the heck does that mean?
You would think with three years under his belt in the “system” he would know better than to say something like that given the accusation. Where I sit, I might interpret that as he did not care what he had to say in his filings to fulfill a desired action.
Someone needs to tell him to decline comment on any matters outside of focused efforts and awareness on finding his son.
This repeated banter of TMH being in hiding and not cooperating with LE is absolutely going to backfire and I have no idea why Engel persists when he knows full well that TMH has been trying to see her daughter in the face of accusations which have since been dismissed by both parties. To my knowledge, something had to remove the alleged threat- and now we know they made it up.
I am telling you that if Kaine maintains this position, which is without merit that we know of, he comes out on the bottom.
Judges DESPISE self-help acts in the family system, and this appears to have been nothing but- from the beginning.
I don’t discount that Kaine loves his children, I never have. What I do have is a sincere concern about is that this little girl has been in an environment, devoid of her Mother and her Mother’s family with a missing sibling that Dad said he believed was her Mom’s “doing”. Over three years of that and this court still does not think it prudent to appoint a GAL?
I will say this one more time, well, maybe a hundred more. If TMH counsel is agreeing to a psych eval with a laundry list of potentials as long as they both do- that is SOP. But what is important to remember, is that who really thinks if this woman has something to hide that ANY attorney ( Houze would be firmly against it) would advocate a psych exam of this magnitude?
Knock Knock
Who’s there?
Mallory Practice
O well, Mal Practice, why didn’t you say so. Come right in.
Lawyers KNOW the drill. 1000 things can go right, and 1 can go wrong, and that can be the hole in the balloon. The end.
For those that may not know, this type of eval relies almost equally on collattorral interviews and corroborating information about the subject et al. That means that they will chat with therapists, ex bosses, ex friends, friends too scared to speak to you because the country thinks you are a baby stealer/killer, etc. Family members, possibly former spouses and step-sibs.
TEACHERS he/she/they worked with and along side.
Point is, with the ever looming “ongoing investigation” cloak of darkness they are asking the court for this and in my mind, knowing the legal prowess of her counsel, there is no way they think their are cracks in her cement that lead to any criminal behavior on her part. Add to that I am entirely confident that even as a precautionary measure, the court would require this at least of TMH even if they agreed to visitation and at that point, if they did not find that Kaine should as well, which would be possible if they agreed to something, then she would have the burden of the only one flayed on the table and she is willing to take that chance.
The woman may be dicey in some areas but she is no psycopath thinking she could schmooze away three years of this hell on earch with kitchy clinical interviews.
What I would not have given to have heard the conversation between Houze and anyone in LE or the DA office he spoke to while laying down the gauntlet finally.
B
LOL, Blink. I was being sarcastic as well. Little Isabel, is there something new going on?
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@Southernmom, I couldn’t have said it better. This newest statement by Bunch, flat-out saying that LE & Kaine Horman have lied about the circumstances of Kyron’s disappearance, if that doesn’t make locals sit up, take notice and wake-the-f-up, I don’t know what will.
“But what is important to remember, is that who really thinks if this woman has something to hide that ANY attorney ( Houze would be firmly against it) would advocate a psych exam of this magnitude?”
B
Blink,
Her attorneys are putting conditions on the exams/evaluations in terms of the questions and her participation re 5th amendment rights.
If you could supply a few examples of questions in a psychological exam relating to this case that may be posed that could violate the 5th amendment right not to incriminate one’s self, I’d appreciate it.
Thank you.
I gotta wonder what Maxine thinks about that statement made to the court by Terri’s counsel that LE & Kaine perpetuated the dissemination of inaccurate information. Does Maxine wonder now if she has been used? Is that why Helen wrote the recent article instead of Max?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/08/terri_horman_agrees_to_limited.html
“There are a number of troubling aspects of husband’s prior conduct and parental decisions,” wrote lawyer Peter Bunch. “Husband and the police have perpetuated the dissemination of inaccurate information about the circumstances of the disappearance of Kyron Horman.”
————
I have noticed that Terri’s attorneys usually have the facts to back up what ever they state. Unlike Engle who depends on the media to put forth his allegations. This makes me wonder what Terri’s legal team have uncovered about Kaine and or LE. I wonder if LE will try to distance themselves from Kaine if and when anything comes about his “prior conduct and parental decisions,”.
Please, Please — re-read Southern Mom’s msg above.
Even if you only SUSPECT something — please let blinkoncrime know. Her writers here know how to track things down and prove or disprove them. Even a suspicion of something might be helpful, the tiniest thing might hold a clue to the complete answer.
Please, Please. This is for little Kyron Horman, a little boy who deserves justice. Please do it now. Thankyou.
SouthernMom says:August 28, 2013 at 12:27 am
Urgent and Heartfelt and Respectful PLEA to all Skyline families!!!
I saw the quotes from the Bunch filing that vw put on the OL comments. Did Bunch really write “the WIVES lawyers? Maybe DY is going to join in seeking time with K as well. Oh just a little comic relief in a horrible mess.
Blink … Thanks for all the time you put in researching, writing, moderating and commenting. Maybe your work is helping move this along. Timing fits
Posted by “Blink on Crime” on Olive:
Blink On Crime
“Has Ms. Jung even read these documents that are not sourced directly in the piece?
What is with the slant constantly by the local media in this case?
Terri is requesting an order that Kaine submit to the same evaluations as she, provided names of appropriate evaluators and also that Kaine pay for them, which he will. She also directly ( through counsel) has accused both Kaine and Law Enforcement of perpetuating and disseminating inaccurate information about the circumstances of Kyron’s disappearance.
Hello? That is the story here. In other words, in their sworn filing, they have accused Kaine and LE of lying to achieve the case status as it is.
That is major and y’all have been on the wrong side of this from the beginning to keep exclusives and that is BS.”
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/08/terri_horman_agrees_to_limited.html#incart_river_default
Where the heck is WW on this story? This is right up their investigative alley. LE is being called out in court by Terri’s attorney to have given out false information in regard to the circumstances surrounding Kyron’s disappearance. Their affidavits have pretty much spelled out that they do not want the public to know about their “investigative tactics” and how they were used in this case, combined with their “mental impressions”. Rackner admitted she was doing everything to help the DA’s office. Desiree Young admitted Kiara was being used as a pawn. (No talkie, no Kaira.) Kaine finally drops the RO, because, guess what, it was based on “potential” abuse. Good grief.
This whole case stinks. Kaine’s comment about it doesn’t matter what they put on paper…..I hope to crap he isn’t saying he won’t abide by the court.
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Blink,
Please delete my posts in moderation (including this one for 3 total in moderation)
Thank you.
Blink,
Here are several more documents and the vitae’s of the Psych evaluators. Drafts…but I at least got them up.
Also included in the latest version of the Docket.
http://vwoolfexploresthenorthwest.blogspot.com/2013/08/newest-docket-as-of-august-20th.html
Blink,
I thought that it was stated by TMH’s counsel that they agreed to psych Eval only on the condition the topic of Kyron’s disappearance was not covered in any way? It seems that an open acceptance of the psych evaluation really would show that there is nothing to hide. It seems strange that on one hand there is a notion that if she is willing to go along with a psych evaluation she must not have nothing to hide, but if she pleads the 5th she also has nothing to hide. Funny that the common theme in all of this is that TMH will not answer any questions relating to KH’s disappearance, the events of the day, or,more specifically the questions relating to her whereabouts for a period of time.
I think it is valuable to keep running through as many scenarios as it takes to come up with what happened, but I just don’t understand why TMH being innocent seems to be assumed proven by most who post on this blog. The facts as reported by most are accounts taken from media reports. It seems as tough with the thousands of leads and many thousands of hours that LE has run down a wide gamut of leads. Why does it seem that a presumption is that since they have not charged TMH that she is therefore not in any way shape or form involved? There are numerous examples of people who were involved in nefarious acts did not get charged, and innocent folks who did. Why keep focusing on the idea that the fous of LE is misdirected, and instead suggest the alternatives without playing the same game TMH haters play?
Fondly,
Troll
Troll lite- You cannot incorrectly quote a brief or take it out of context- it does not say Kyron’s disappearance cannot be discussed in any way- it says that they are requesting a protective order to prevent infringement upon her 5th ammendment rights and they absolutely should. They are full out accusing Kaine and LE of perpetrating and disseminating inaccurate info surrounding the circumstances of Kyron’s disappearance, and I absolutely believe that to be true.
Given that auspice, she has the constitutional right to PROTECT her rights, and also freedom from the interference of ANYONE in her relationship with her child. Anything else I say is just repeating myself again and again. I have developed a trove of original content in this case and I think you will find the majority of readers/posters here have lost faith in the local media coverage as being “factual”.
I mean, there is a picture in this piece taken in the very classroom Kyron exits minutes later, but before his arrival and explains the circumstances of same. Where else have you read that?
I presume TMH to be innocent because that is her right in this country and that stands even if she were charged, until such time a jury of her peers were to find her guilty. I do not believe there is a scintilla of evidence against TMH pointing to her involvement and I have PERSONALLY interviewed witnesses that absolutely PROVE and corroborate each other- that the individual I refer to as SZ was the last person to be seen with Kyron Horman at Skyline School on June 4th 2010.
I think the more important question is why anyone is so sure that TMH is involved in the first place considering there has has been continuing reason to question that theory, and it seems to me any support for it has vanished. LE and DA- no indictment again, Desiree dropping suit, Spicher testified, Kaine agreeing to drop the RO and is in a mutual no contact order and TMH openly stating he has lied.
B
So to your point, neither I nor the bulk of posters here believe TMH is innocent because she has not been charged with anything,
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/04/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-sources-terri-horman-hired-landscape-lover/comment-page-7/
I wasn’t hanging out here at the time, is that Terri Horman in the second row photo third from the left? August 2009? TIA
@Blink.
Thursday? TY in advance. (dorm move- in day, sigh).
imo magical 8:45 does relate to negligence culpability but imo the school system attorney probably hopes for a (likely losing) bell times argument–not liable til 2nd bell.
Imo is liable when a child is on premises (including exterior PPS-owned property or on bus) during a reasonable time period most children arrive–therefore it could be 5-10 min before first bell when a reasonable staff would monitor.
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PPB had 12 detectives ready?
how sad.
on school premises, during in or out of school session, PPB had intergovernmental agreement jurisdiction.
So how did this jurisdictional sleight of hand to mcso, the institution of corrections mgmt & SAR, occur?
Imo, FBI Field Office Head, so out there in the beginning, long thankfully retired. Why?
FBI was on the outs with PPB due to Portland’s withdrawal from Antiterrorism Task Force (the rightthing to do, as police chief had no authority over his detailed men & more importantly no briefing rights). FO Head needed a timely show of power, pulling case over to mcso. imo.
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Certainly reasonable Engel was left with Rackner when the (imo) peerless Stahancyk left with other partners.
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wrt “Judges DESPISE self-help acts in the family system, and this appears to have been nothing but- from the beginning.”
imo that is true of ordinary family court judges, but Judge Kantor
seems highly idiosyncratic and decides cases as of (his) first impression. Imo he will be marked by 3 variables: 1) a wild card decision-making approach to results he deems equitable & just; 2) ambition to be recommended again for next Fed judgeship (therefore he has political dinero to pay & will not offend local honchos of either party;
3) a desire to fit in, to be accepted with particularly male peers. Just my opinion. That’s gonna cut the DA’s direction, not Houze. & cut Kaine’s way.
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—Vien was trashed on review by disgruntled parents for failure to call, or recount in his report, collateral interviewees.
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So glad for custody litigation. Only way to try the truth, but useless without an experienced unbiased judge.
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today, processing a DiMaggio’s interview, I was reminded to remember a young female vic coule be a Jody or a Casey, keep an open mind.
Not used to thinking of young females as sociopaths.
Jody also reminded us of the language of borderline features: Making a signif other as “all bad.” Relational cut- offs. Splitting. Involving more & more people & systems in the hot mess. Suits & more suits (both bios). more & more attorneys & judges. More & more volunteers at multiple events (both bios). More & more online forums & sites. More & more media quotes. My 2 borderline features candidates are not Terri. Maybe Houze got the right message: set limits.
where is Pitkin when we need him?
Portland needs real, motivated reporters like him.
Interesting report that I somehow overlooked before.
http://www.kval.com/news/local/151386795.html
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FWIW, IMO the whole divorce thing between KH & TMH is intersting, as is whether or not anyone’s rights have been violated. But for me, I just keep treading down the path that Kyron was abducted, and we need to look for him. Anyways, in doing some digging around today here’s another creep I hadn’t seen before, arrested not long after Kyron disappeared AND Logan Storm’s computer child porn was seized. I don’t recall ever reading this, which is weird because I live in Douglas County. I wonder if they might be some sort of connection?
OR elementary teacher arrested for child porn/$9.5 million bail
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97876029.html
(Note the huge bail amount)
Some old Websleuth discussions about this guy:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-108666.html
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I’m having a difficult time finding where this guy lived when he was in Roseburg. Just wondering if he may have lived anywhere near the Moulton’s and perhaps may have met Kyron at some point. Of course, I’d assume that LE checked this dude out as well, but at this point, who the heck knows.
@wpg. imo twould be explicitly linked
to a crome questions: ie, tell me about solicitation
of a mfh on Kaine as stated by RS.
Who’s moderating the comments tonight?
Twas me wpg, only moderator ever unless I alert otherwise- and I am way behind.
B
I agree, Mags. I also am not under estimating the impact Blink has had by telling the truth about TH not being the last known person to see Kyron.
Mags says:
August 28, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Blink … Thanks for all the time you put in researching, writing, moderating and commenting. Maybe your work is helping move this along. Timing fits
@T. Ruth says:
August 28, 2013 at 7:14 pm
I couldn’t agree more with you on your entire post, but especially…
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“This whole case stinks. Kaine’s comment about it doesn’t matter what they put on paper…..I hope to crap he isn’t saying he won’t abide by the court.” <–T. Ruth
I for some reason (MOO) can see KH fleeing with Kiara via underground RR to "save" her. What's crazy is…he'd have all the help he could want or need, regardless of the legal ramifications or consequences to those who help him.
Ughh! Hot MESS!!
Whatever it takes, people, WHATEVER it TAKES! Please tell tell tell your story if you know anything that is not being brought forth. What I mean is, if you don't feel your are being taken seriously or being heard, keep telling what you know. We need the silent ones to now speak up, come forward, and tell the truth to anyone who will listen. Blinkoncrime.com is a safe haven for you to get your story heard…I've come to the conclusion that this is what it will take to break this case. So…Whatever It Takes…MUST happen for Kyron. Kyron deserves your voice. It's scary to know something like this…but please…Feel the fear, and do it anyway. Thank you for your bravery.
Prayers for Kyron and his family.
VW ,
Total side note but when we get our Lakeland Terrier puppy next year her name will be Virginia Woof. Lol. Besides the Russian greats, VW is my absolute favorite author and Mrs. Dalloway is one of the greatest novels of all time. I’ve probably read it 50 times.
Ok back on topic, all this new info/commentary based on the article posted above has me reconsidering everything…. And everyone.
Jmo
Yes, Pitkin would be very helpful right now…..
Just some additional information on the 3 men suggested to do evaluations. I know it’s not our choice, but it is interesting to ponder what each may recommend. Does the choice matter? Absolutely.
When my kids were little, I had a custody evaluation ordered by the court. The court-appointed psychologist recommended I have primary custody because I was the more flexible, supportive parent and my ex had social issues (later known as Asperger’s). My ex said in court that I was recommended because the psychologist thought I was attractive. He had his own psychologist who said he “marched to a different drummer” but was revered by the kids because one drew a picture of him walking on stilts (her half-brother had just brought some stilts over to show us). His comment about me was that I didn’t understand how serious the problems I was dealing with were and my outlook on life was “too bright”. The judge (retired) didn’t read the court report and went with the “different drummer” because he wanted (it’s in the transcript, folks) to go fishing and not meet again the following week. However, he had to reconsider due to the insistence of my attorney and then had to change his opinion. Unfortunately, he gave the “different drummer” false hope that carried us all the way to the Oregon Supreme Court (scary place) and beyond. So – yes, it matters who does what.
From Dr. Loveland’s website – easy to google. (clinical psychologist)
“Dr. Loveland’s past research experience largely involved child abuse and neglect. During graduate school, he taught undergraduate courses in introductory psychology, abnormal psychology, and child development. As part of his clinical practice, Dr. Loveland has taught numerous classes for parents or presented at professional gatherings on topics that include child abuse/neglect, family mental health, child and adolescent development, learning disabilities, ADHD, marital issues, and parenting skills. In the forensic area, he has presented to various law groups on child custody issues in general, as well as issues related to specific family system characteristics, evaluation protocols, family analysis in litigation matters, child relocation, and expert witness issues.”
(MBS) His experience includes many different but related areas and leads one to think he may have a fairly broad perspective. I can see why he would be on the list of choices.
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http://courts.oregon.gov/OJD/docs/OSCA/cpsd/courtimprovement/familylaw/CustodyPTR.pdf
(MBS) I found this very well written. Dr. Vien was co-chair and I assume agrees with the perspective and conclusions of this report. I suggest reading it if you are interested in hints about how a custody evaluation might go if done by him. There is a lot of past experience with sex abuse issues including sex offender treatment, fwiw.
A REPORT OF THE PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT WORKGROUP
A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE STATE FAMILY LAW ADVISORY COMMITTEE
March, 2011
COMMITTEE CHAIR PERSONS:
Linda Scher, Family Mediator and Facilitator, Portland
Dr. Ed Vien, Psy.D, Psychologist and Custody Evaluator, Portland
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(MBS) Harry Dudley (Psy.D.) is, according to the document, licensed in Washington and New York. Oregon is not mentioned. I don’t know if there is an agreement between Washington and Oregon regarding practicing in either state, but you’d think if there was, it would be mentioned. He also has a lot of experience with a variety of issues.
http://vwoolfexploresthenorthwest.blogspot.com/
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https://www.anthem.com/health-insurance/provider-directory/
re Harry Dudley
SPECIALTIES:
Psychologist – Not Board Certified
http://psydhcd.com/forensic.html by Harry Dudley
Forensic psychology is the application of psychological science to specific legal questions. I provide evaluations in a variety of criminal, juvenile, and civil contexts.
A forensic psychological evaluation typically involves semi-structured interviews, structured interviews of the examinee, the administration of different psychological tests, a review of relevant records, and interviews of third parties. Typically, a detailed report will be prepared. I provide forensic psychological evaluations in the following areas.
1.Child custody and parenting time evaluations.
2.Parental fitness evaluations.
3.Competency to stand trial.
4.Not guilty by reason of insanity and diminished capacity.
5. Determination of mitigating factors and the defendant’s needs with respect to sentencing, including suitability for probation or work release.
6.Risk assessments.
7.Contested special education placement.
8.Personal injury and disability.
9.Guardianship.
I also provide consultation to attorneys and other mental health professionals involved in the legal process. On a select basis, I review reports and work products of other professionals. I have also provided continuing education and continuing legal education in the general area of forensic psychology, child custody and parenting time evaluations, parent coordination, the use of psychological testing, and ethics.
Please note that forensic psychological valuations are not considered clinical evaluations in that they are designed to address specific legal questions and not to primarily provide treatment recommendations. As such, insurance does not cover forensic psychological evaluations.
It is my standard procedure to initially consult with the referring attorney or attorneys prior to accepting a case. I prefer my initial point of contact to be with legal counsel so as to better understand the specific psychological and legal issues at hand and to make a determination as to whether I will accept the case. If you’re a potential client seeking a forensic psychological assessment and you are represented by attorney, please have your attorney contact me.
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The difference in Psy.D. and Clinical Psych – in very general terms (snipped):
“First of all, it is important to understand that Psy.D. graduates receive a Doctorate of Psychology upon graduating, while Ph.D. graduates receive a Doctorate of Philosophy in Clinical Psychology. On one hand, Psy.D. programs tend to emphasize the practitioner-scholar model, while on the other hand, Ph.D. programs tend to emphasize the scientist-practitioner model. However, the most important difference between the two degrees is that the Ph.D. program focuses more on research, whereas the Psy.D. focuses more on clinical training. In addition, most Psy.D. graduate students receive more training in psychological testing than do Ph.D. students. A Psy.D. prepares the student to work in a variety of clinical settings, ranging from family therapy to working with severely disturbed patients in mental institutions. A Ph.D. prepares the student to work as a researcher, teacher, and practitioner.”
“The Psy.D. is designed primarily to train psychologists to be clinicians able to work in a wide range of clinical settings. Generally the emphasis is on clinical work and focuses less heavily on research than Ph.D. programs. The degree is rapidly growing in both numbers and respectability, thus making it an important option to consider.”
http://www.liu.edu/CWPost/Academics/Schools/CLAS/Dept/Psychology/PsyD2/Mission/PsyD-vs-PhD
MBS- kudos on impressive research and your willingness to share. I would not be a fan of hiring anyone not board certified.
B
oops, sorry Blink. I read the bold print “publishing Thursday, August…” and didn’t focus on the date.
I thot it was a new comment & misunderstood.
the story is the betrayal of public trust by PPS for failure to disclose known facts about a school-based abduction. Everyone knows with any incident on school property, or on kids’ commute, a letter goes out to parents immediately with a full factual recounting of what is known. The moment Keefer knew from Matthews that Kyron left her classroom at x o’clock with an unknown caucasian male, he had the obligation to disclose publically it. The time is no investigatory secret as SZ was not surreptitous & knew the time was well-witnessed.
Parents would have talked with their children differently, and supervised them differently, had they known.
For the incident, Esther should have been retired & Keefer demoted to the classroom. Although in my District when principals needed to go it was a promotion to a desk job & retirement in 3 years after high 3 earnings as an inducement.
So since Keefer must have know this, who else knew? Having served too many years on PTA Execs, imo those parents did, likely with Keefer’s disclaimer it goes no further.
It is very seductive to parents to heard the inside skinny from principals at Exec mtgs, and if you’ve poured sweat labor into a school, you don’t want to harm its reputation with public disclosure of an adverse incident as alarming as a child being abducted in plain view during school hours from a classroom with permission of teacher.
pragmatic comment on Oregon divorces
http://divorce.gadget-info.com/tag/stahancyk/
If I were Kaine, I would come up with some names for psychologists that he can offer. I cannot find the link right now (on my way to work) but one of the stories I read a couple of days ago indicated that both parents will be evaluated. This is SOP, if you will.
I am wondering if any psychologists in that area will want to do the evaluation of TH, given that certain subjects are off limits. When one does this type of evaluation, the evaluator needs to be able to ask what is necessary in order to render an opinion.
I was shocked at the retainer fees. Very high, in my opinion.
GAL will be appointed, imo.
Yes to all, but I make the presumption that Bunch cleared his list before providing it because it included dates the evaluators would commit to returning a report.
I would say that the retainer is for both parties, so it is consistent with some of the better evaluators in my area, although the $7K guy might really not want to work on this case, lol.
B
It looks like vwoolfexploresthenorthwest.blogspot.com is for invited readers only. Anyone know how to request an invite?
Ms. Spicher- I am going to need to confirm your identity for you to post on here in her name. Can you be reached at this email?
B
Blink,
This first part is personal to you. I really admire yor tenacity on this case as I have followed and always read along with you guys. Would love to post but can’t seem to get the format down pat. Not too computer savy.
I found this in my notes and it fits perfectly with your recent piece and. Yes! the link to the video still works at the O.lol I have included it for you too.
I will tell you that I have no personal gain what so ever in giving you this link, only with great pride that after the negative feedback in regards to you on JQ about you (most those links were removed). Yes that was me who tried, probably without success to alert you about them the other night.
Blink take the 3 minutes and review the video and read what I have transcribed as it is my personal belief as what came from Staton was the closest to the truth thus far in what happened to little Kyron. I submit the following with much due respect to you and all of your Blinksters! I don’t care if you just post as if you did it or anonomously, just hope it makes it to you!
Sheriff Dan Staton and Superintendent Carole Smith discuss the investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance
Posted: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 6:16 PM
By Stuart Tomlinson, The Oregonian The Oregonian
Transcript:
Sheriff Dan Staton: We started out today interviewing the children and families. We did this in such a way the we were able to gather information in hopes to develop timelines. Those who had the opportunity to see this young man at the last point yesterday before he came up missing. Last time he was seen was here at the school and that was on Friday about a late hour in the morning was actually the last time he was seen here at the school. That statement came from one of the children that was here earlier this morning that was interviewed. He was seen near his classroom and the last point was down at the South entrance door to the school. We’ve managed to collect a lot of photographs and CD’s that were taken here that day, by students and parents that were here. So we are looking at some of those and some of those were time stamped and we are compiling all of that into a timeframe bracket so we can actually pinpoint all of the timeframes. Right now we have no we don’t have no (particular) suspects at this particular point in time. We are just building off all of the information. We are compiling all the names and with the help of all the supporting agencies and the FBI, we are developing everything from both angles.
School Superintendent Carole Smith: My heart and the hearts of everyone that is a part of the Portland Public Schools community goes out to Kyron Horman and his family. Uhm and we are hoping for his safe return as quickly as possible. Ah the reported disappearance from one of our public schools is unprecedented and deeply troubling. Portland Public Schools is doing everything we can to assist the authorities in finding Kyron. In the wake of this event we are taking several immediate steps to provide support to the Skyline students and families as well as families across our school district aw in addition we are also reviewing school policies and school protocols to strengthen the speed of communication between our schools and our families. We will have a crisis response team that is available to provide counseling to Skyline students, staff and families all day on Monday. Tuesday the school psychologist that is assigned to Skyline and Roosevelt High School on site all day in addition to counselors from 4 or 5 other schools will be here on site at Skyline to provide other services to our students here. We will be mandating the use of our automated attendance call system in all of our schools, in all of our K/8’s. We will be requiring that every one start to institute use of the dialer and if as it will probably take us a week to get that in place so in the mean time we be asking schools to do personal calls home for students who do not have prearranged absences. We will be re-emphasizing our existing policy of requiring all staff contractors and volunteers to display their ID badges umm and for anyone who is on school site during school hours any visitors who are not co-operating with this, the sin in procedures will be asked to leave the school premises.
Video link: http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/sheriff_dan_staton_and_superin.html
You know, I have to admit I have not watched that in years. Yes, Staton does appear to have his information exactly correct.
Makes me want to know what the hell went on after that, among other things.
He did say something I would not have, in terms of ID of a witness. That said, I want to be clear, there are multiple witnesses of various ages, not one witness.
I appreciate your support of me, the readers and posters that are the sum of our parts, including you, and of Kyron Horman.
ps- you got the format just fine!
B
@Blink
Blog is down today. Needs a Disclaimer before putting more up, etc. Any help with it is appreciated. Some of the haters/stalkers of JQ and FB are claiming postings/or docs are redacted, not citing where they got them from.
ALSO….. NICE Post on OLIVE!
Email me please. Can you email me a pdf scan of the last filing?
B
Poor little Kaira, the youngest little victim here. She is the one that needs representation in this mess the most. She has suffered the most…she will suffer the longest. Years from now she will be the one that will have to pick up the pieces of what becomes of these people. Someone please step up and speak for her as well as make sure that she can process what is happening to her life.
I don’t see how the climate and claims being made by both parties are not necessitating a GAL finally. Grace said earlier she thinks it is forthcoming and I agree. Better late than never I guess.
B
GraceintheHills says:
August 27, 2013 at 11:52 am
@grasshopper, with great respect, it is the judge, not LE, who determines which evidence will be admitted into trial.
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Embarrassingly, that never even occurred to me Grace! thanks for the clarification!
Blink says
I am telling you that if Kaine maintains this position, which is without merit that we know of, he comes out on the bottom.
Judges DESPISE self-help acts in the family system, and this appears to have been nothing but- from the beginning.
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as an lay observer, that is certainly what I would think. seems reasonable approach to law. However Messenheimer and Kantor have booth been consistently been on side of Kaine’s team even though they have provided no documentation for any of their accusations. I’m not sure you can explain their behavior, but can you think of any reason other than coverup for the cabal they are part of, that they should act so against the grain? (hope no grammarian is reading this but that was pretty bad sentence.)
vw, if the media would link to the documents, as they should, since they are posting parts of them, then IMO you wouldn’t be being bothered. Shame on the media for not telling the WHOLE story. Wasn’t it KATU, who used to provide all the links to the court docs? Too bad they quit. Like I said upthread, why has WW dropped this case?
WA man accused of filming child rape at school
Posted: Aug 29, 2013 7:57 AM PST Updated: Aug 29, 2013 7:57 AM PST
By The Associated Press
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BELFAIR, WA (AP) -
A man who was serving as the vice president of the parent-teacher association in Mason County has been charged with videotaping the rape of an 8-year-old girl at an elementary school.
The seattlepi.com reports that David M. Navarro was arrested Friday and appeared in U.S. District Court earlier this week on charges of producing child pornography and two related offenses. Prosecutors say Navarro presumably filmed himself raping the girl at Belfair Elementary School.
Navarro was arrested after investigators in Australia and Denmark analyzed several videos posted online showing the rape of a young girl. Investigators later determined that one of the videos was made at the Kitsap Peninsula school.
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This makes me sick. Vice President of the PTA!!!!!! And it had to go to Australia and Denmark before he was caught.
1. Sick Mother Effer should rot.
2. How does an adult man rape an 8 year old at the school and nobody knows? That scares me equally.
3. There are scores of other victims, no doubt in my mind.
B
B
Forgot my link:
http://www.kptv.com/story/23288801/wa-man-accused-of-filming-child-rape-at-school
Troll lite says:
August 28, 2013 at 11:06 pm
B
So to your point, neither I nor the bulk of posters here believe TMH is innocent because she has not been charged with anything,
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I do not believe TMH is guilty because. If some evidence comes to light that indicates her guilt then I may change my mind.
1. I have not heard one sherd of evidence against her validated by a reliable source that was not either an opinion or a rumor. (Sorry looking unattractive in a press release does not say anything to me).
2. I don’t see that she a good motive to disappear Kyron although I realize people do things for their own reasons.
3. It does say something to me that LE keeps saying she is not even a person of interest in this case and that she did cooperate with them before the infamous sting occurred.
BTW
If you feel so strongly about TMH’s guilt why do you feel the need to read/post on this site. There are lots of other sites where I am your opinions would be welcomed.
went to file room and got Bunch’s response to Engel’s motion for custody and parenting. data base listing from Aug 1 is fist 3 pages, then 12 pages of response including the resumes of suggested evaluators.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10147993/Bunch%20response%20to%20Engel%208-29.pdf
THANK YOU grasshopper!
vw- no redactions. Is it possible that posters from the nether cauldron cannot read? Jus askin.
B
Why haven’t Terri’s parents been visiting Kiara? As a GAL I would encourage visits from them on a regular basis.
I am positive it had to do with advice on what constitutes contempt of the FAPA order and their barometer of Kaine.
They seemed to be very loving grandparents prior to Ky’s disappearance
B
forgot to mention that I last went in Wed, Aug 21 and these were not there, so showed up sometime between Aug 22 and Aug 29. I skim these all before scanning and making the pdf but don’t examine them, so if anybody see’s anything on the data base listing that I missed, let me know. I asked for printout from Aug 1 to today so obviously some of the things will be under previous links, but just keep your eyes peeled!
@Troll lite. I don’t think TMH has been proven innocent of anything.
Alas, it is the job of police to ascertain the guilty party through developing physical & circumstantial evidence and to refer that info to DA to prosecute. TMH can only be determined innocent if charged with a violation of a law (she has not been ), and that evidence TESTED by a jury of peers.
@grasshopper. Don’t feel bad. A Judge determines admissibility of evidence if he is informed of it by DA or Defense. And if DA/LE don’t reveal exculpatory evidence to Defense, well the Judge never hears about it in the first place. And trial 2 occurs.