Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation- continued  ©

S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime

DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton Horman

 

In the first part of blinkoncrime.com’s exclusive interview with DeDe Spicher,  she revealed that after over 3 years of attempting to provide Multnomah County Sheriffs Office as well as Assistant Deputy Attorney Norm Frink with the necessary information they requested to clear her from any suspicion in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Skyline second grader Kyron Horman; she has finally been cleared after passing a polygraph as part of her requirement under an immunity deal that has been sealed with the court.  Unofficially cleared, that is.

Spicher and her attorney Chad Stavley,  who have since refused all local media requests,  would very much like the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and current District Attorney Rod Underhill to clear her officially and publicly.

Spicher is adamant that law enforcement never had any reason to question her statements to them from the beginning, has cooperated fully for over three years and recently testified before the grand jury to prove she had nothing to hide.  While she would like the public to know that any assertions to the contrary are untrue, and sometimes have been offered maliciously,  her desire to speak out about her experience over the last three years is primarily to force investigative resources to review it’s progress- and hopefully adjust in a way to further leads in Kyron’s case.

As was proven not only by her recent polygraph,  but also by the verification that no evidence ever existed to support investigator’s theory in the first place,  Spicher had no information about anyone’s potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, let alone her own.

The continuation of our interview, which provoked some very interesting revelations long felt to be a possibility by many, was confirmed by Ms. Spicher  as she says- told to her by Terri Moulton Horman are prompting new possible theories in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Kyron Horman.  Two days after Kyron Horman’s eleventh birthday.

Stoy: So, in your estimation then,  why do you think that detectives Herron and Kravfe were so sure that you were involved or knew who was.

Spicher:  I have thought about this a lot, and I think there were a few reasons.  I think because I was advised through a meeting Terri had with a family friend and attorney that she should assume that all of her communication was being monitored by law enforcement and anyone she had contact with.  He told her to assume the house was bugged as well as vehicles, etc.  I also believe you did an article a while back that pointed out her phone was in Kaine’s name.   As this was a day or two after she was served with the restraining order,  she was also told that

Stoy (interrupting): You bought a prepaid phone after June 28th and never had one before that?  I had read that you or someone else purchased them the day of or the day after Kyron’s disappearance.

Spicher: No.  I purchased one prepaid phone, after Terri shared the info from her meeting, in my own name, either June 29th or 30th.    I think they were hung up on the fact that I came to her aid with no contact for so long so they just were convinced there had to be.

Stoy: ok, sorry, continue.  So you are not saying that LE was suggesting that you were hiding some other number you had and that was how they were alleging that you HAD to have been in contact with Terri or some other person prior to and on June 4th and that escalated your “poi” status in your opinion?

Spicher:  They did not say that to me specifically, but what they repeated over and over again, was that Terri and I had to have had some form of communication we were hiding.  It never made any sense to me because I knew I only had my cell that I had forever until the end of June,  and I knew I had not been in contact with Terri since her 40th birthday party in March.  So I would ask- well then I guess that means that you don’t have any contacts you can’t verify from either of us so why am I even in this “interview”?

To my recollection they never shared with me or answered any of my questions in response when something they kept hounding me about seemed absurd and conflicting with their theory.

Stoy: Which was?

Spicher: At first,  I think that they really believed I was involved,  and at some point I think they were talking more “accessory after the fact” because I got the impression ( although they did not share it with me) that Terri’s cell phone activity that day was nowhere near where I was,  and my vehicle never left, nor did I.  They would not verify that they located the ceramics/glassware artist [pottery artisan] I told you about and still have not.

Stoy: So in your opinion, you were clearly the linchpin of this case,  they [LE] believed you held the key to solving it and/or implicating Terri exclusively at that point, they no longer entertained your involvement per se?

Spicher: I honestly don’t think I could say that I ever believed that they stopped treating me as some sort of suspect.  I never felt that way,  but yes, absolutely they 100% believe that Terri is responsible and I definitely believed we all had to be interviewed and scrutinized or whatever,  but I really thought up until the meeting with Norm Frink that they [LE] would abandon that theory quickly because if they were positive I was the key, and I knew I was not, that would also eliminate Terri, who I did not and do not believe, but have no proof, was involved or knew anything.

Stoy: Right, so if you had nothing, and they felt you were the only nexus, it had to mean that they had no independent evidence of anything or anyone else so they would start in another direction?

Spicher: Right, but every interaction I had with them following and including the request to participate in the sting against her, made me believe they never did.  To get back to the why question you asked me- my final thought on that is that they kept pointing out that I was the person to tell everyone not to speak to them without attorneys in the beginning.    I would ask like who do you mean,  because that would have been my opinion across the board for any situation, but it was definitely based on what was getting out about how they were going about this.  I was scared and it turned out it was good reason.   I also would point out to them that I did not think that was or should be the basis for suspicion because if it was, it seemed to me that I was told that several staff members at Skyline had hired counsel, and Kaine was the FIRST to have one between he and Terri and I had told her at least a week or so before that she should.

Stoy: Why do you think she did not immediately take your friendly advice?  Your Dad was LE, and I presume she knew that.  People can say what they want, but I know many members of law enforcement in different jurisdictions and agencies.  I have worked with them or contributed analysis to cases with them privately [I cannot and would not ever include that in anything I choose to write on] and I can tell you that I do not know one of them that if they were the focus of a criminal probe or internal investigation they absolutely do not agree to an interview without a representative.  In fact,  Herron is or was the President of Mulnomah County Police Union or was, if I recall correctly.  So to that end, I find that a pretty hypocritical reason for suspicion of anyone.

Spicher: (laughs) Interesting.  I am not sure that I knew that. The reason Terri didn’t get an atty before the RO was because she was told by LE that if she did, she wouldn’t be privvy to any of their investigative discoveries, she would be out of the loop in finding Kyron.

Stoy: Have you had a desire or opportunity to review any sort of past events regarding the MCSO, I guess I should add, that involve anyone in this case or investigation you have had contact with?

Spicher: No,  do you mean like any other detectives or that sort of thing?

Stoy: Have you ever met with or been interviewed with any other agencies or detectives?

Spicher:  I believe I either met or just said hello to the guy you mentioned in that recent article of yours while he was at the house.  Both Kaine and Terri were there at the time as well.

Stoy: Bobby O’Donnell?

Spicher: That’s it,  yes, him.  Why did you ask me if I am aware of any sort of events- should I be?

Stoy: Well, I think that tangentially if I were you I would be considering just about everything as it related to what you have been through,  and I am aware of some what I will refer to as “stuff” but what I don’t want to do prior to the completion of our interview process is temper any of your responses with anything I know peripherally if that’s ok with you.  If you wish, once I publish the continuation which will have that sort of information,  I would invite you to comment on it for the record if you choose- are you ok with that?

Spicher: yes, that’s fine and probably a good idea.

Stoy: back briefly to the “sting request against Terri- On that issue- the request they extended to you outside the presence of your attorney and that they asked you not to tell Chad, as you think back ,  considering you have had no communication with Horman for over three years did you believe they thought it would work?  What did your attorney say when you told him?

Spicher: I can’t and won’t address any conversations I have had with my attorney,  but to answer your question as to my opinion,  I really don’t know for sure, I knew that I did not, and thought it was really, really odd- that was my first reaction.  After more thought,  and other conversations,  I don’t see how they thought it would work, or why they were still seemingly convinced after I had just passed the poly, etc, Terri was still their suspect and responsible.   What is your opinion on it?

Stoy:  I think I may reserve my thoughts on that for my piece.  Again, not wanting to temper your opinions  as we move along here and I think that could happen if I did.  Is that ok with you?

Spicher: Sure, thank you.

Stoy: I would like to move on to another subject for discussion.  I would just like to confirm for the record that I have never prior to this interview, asked you any questions about your potential knowledge of steroid use by yourself, or by Terri or Kaine Horman.  Is that correct?

Spicher: Correct, ok.

Stoy: Did they ask you this?

Spicher: Who is they?  You got a lot of pronouns flying around (laughs).

Stoy: Fair point, you’re right.  The good news is, as English, or should I say proper English is my second language (laughs) I use an copy editor.  Allow me to rephrase please.  Did anyone in law enforcement at any time ask you about steroids or other illegal injectable supplements sometimes used in weight training or body building in your interviews in this case?

Spicher:  Your question was did they [le] ask me anything about steroids or anything injectable ever?

Stoy: (laughs) now who’s throwing around the pronouns?

Spicher: (laughs) touche’ .  I was asked about it very vaguely in the beginning, I told them I had never used them, that I did not believe Terri ever did because she and I had similar views against using them and while we were on different supplement regimens when I was training for a marathon in 2008 I still remembered her to be knowledgeable about legal and effective nutritional supplements. I had no reason to believe she had ever used any kind of steroids.  I can’t say conclusively she never did but it would shock me.

Stoy: Why shock you?

Spicher: Because a few years back I recall Terri telling me that Kaine was what she referred to as “juicing”  and that his behavior had become very aggressive and well,  impatient or overeactive with the kids and she had discussed it with him and he ignored her.

Stoy: So for the record, when you say juicing you are referring to illegal steroids, not my Omega specials I make, correct?  That was the only question they ever asked you and did not ask any follow up questions like how long ago, etc, etc.  And so would you characterize the way law enforcement asked that question and their reaction to your response as disinterested, or having nothing to do with the case?

Spicher: I was never asked about Kaine’s use of steroids by either detectives or the grand jury.  But yes, that is what she told me.  I actually had forgotten all about it until she refreshed my recollection when I stayed there with her.  To the best of my memory I was asked just what I said, I answered as I just said and was never asked any follow up question nor was it mentioned again to me by law enforcement .  I don’t think I ever really understood what they did or did not think in terms of my information was important to the case,  but yes,  they were disinterested from my perspective as to it was the only time I was ever asked about it over the course of three and a half years and so my assumption is they still are.  But that is my assumption.

Stoy:  Understood, you are referring to the time you stayed at the Horman home late June 2010 through early July 2010 following Kaine’s  service of the restraining order and her exclusive use of the home?  Spicher:  I am not sure about the exclusive use part,  I didn’t really know anything about how that sort of thing worked and I think for some reason I want to say Terri was not allowed to show anyone.

Stoy: Ok.  Tell me everything you know about that. But, I would like you to see if you can provide me your recollection from what you were told about steroid use PRIOR to your conversations about it that refreshed your memory.  By the way, who else knows about this, if you know.

Spicher: Terri’s attorney Stephen Houze.

Stoy:  How would you know that?

Spicher: Because I helped her load them up, what appeared to me to be syringes in a box and deliver it to her attorney’s office, she said, at his request.   She also located some cancelled checks for what she said was Kaine’s payment for steroids.  I don’t remember who they were made out to but it was not to cash.

Stoy: ok,  understood,  we will get back to that.  I want to try and focus on what she told you those “few years back.”  Do you recall what year, even ballpark.

Spicher:  I want to say, but can’t be sure, it was after her competition in 2005,  and I am tempted to say it was around the time they got married or shortly thereafter- I am just not going to be much help in remembering this if you are asking me to extract what I remembered from then on my own.

Stoy: Nope, that’s what I am asking, your fine,  I don’t want to lead you but let me ask you a few things that may help.  Do you remember where you were during the conversation.

Spicher: I remember it was either the one and only time I ever had lunch with Terri, or it was during a time she called my cell,  Terri had a lot of drama,  and so I was in a Home & Garden Show class and I recall I was saying things out loud to let he know I was not free to talk really or respond as she was talking, so I was saying things like… I don’t know,  we should probably touch base on that when I am done here, or sounds good that we chat on it later.

Stoy: The brush up the other party is not getting, like that?

Spicher:  Yes, she was not getting it and so I was kind of 50% paying attention.  It was either during that call or at the lunch.  Other than that, I am not remembering the timing so well.

Stoy: But you would say a few years before Kyron went missing so based on that 2007 or 2008? Do you remember if they were married at the time?

Spicher: Again, we were friends for a good number of years but not close friends, I almost felt like if she was calling me or talking to me about it she had no other option at the time.

Stoy: Got it.  What did she say

Spicher:  She said that Kaine had been aggressive with her and impatient with the children and she attributed that to his “juicing”.  She confronted him and she felt he did not listen to her.  She told me that she then called a detective and turned in Kaine’s seller.  The member at the gym, I used to know the name but I really can’t recall because I was in the early morning crowd and this guy was more afternoon, I presume when they were there or they saw him.  I had stopped going to the same gym as them ater the first year or two I met them there.

Stoy: So she called a detective to turn in the seller Kaine was buying steroids from?  Wasn’t she concerned about the fact that buying them is also illegal and that Kaine could face charges?

SPicher: She told me that she contacted a detective and said she would be willing to turn over information about someone selling steroids but only if she could do so anonymously and without saying who was buying them, etc.

Stoy: So it was your understanding that she was trying to work out a scenario that would stop Kaine’s use without him ever knowing it was her by turning in that person?  Sort of like…  she gets approval to remain anonymous,  she gives the tip and then one day comes home and says… “Hey honey, guess what I heard at the gym.. you better stop that or you could be arrested for it, etc?

Spicher: Yes, something like that.  Except and again,  we have discussed it at one or both these occasions, but that did not work out.  The detective called her again directly and she was upset that there was further contact.  From what I recall,  I think that was the tone of what she was telling me.

Stoy: Understood,  so you are thinking that it may have been why she was sort of wired about it and not hearing you try to go about your day,  but insisting and venting like she was upset by it.

Spicher: Yes,  I think so.

Stoy: Do you think she could have called you because your Dad was law enforcement and she might need that sort of advice.  I don’t think so because she did not ask for any.  So then what?  Did Kaine find out?

Spicher: I just remember there was some sort of investigation of the guy,  and I really don’t know if Kaine ever found out about it or knows to this day.   If the seller or anyone was arrested or anything else at the time I do not remember,  that was how much I paid attention to it then until Terri reminded me of it.

Stoy: Ok.  Now, why is it that Terri was discussing it with you when you were staying at the house with her in your view?

Spicher:    Because after the restraining order was served and I guess she realized where Kaine was headed,  it was sort of like- if he was going to badmouth her, in her estimation it was false, but anyway, that Kaine had skeletons in his own closet sort of thing.   She told her lawyer [Houze] and she said he instructed her to bring the syringes and the cancelled checks to his office.   We did.

Stoy: So was Terri saying that Kaine was using steroids behind her back and she found this or that she knew and was having sort of the same reaction as last time, or she just learned once he was out of the home or what?  Was she suggesting this to you like it had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher:  I got the impression she did not know, or at least did not know when the last time he was using them was, but it gets fuzzy for me there because it is my belief up until the time the RO was served,  in my opinion she would have tried to protect Kaine from le finding out so I don’t know if she told le,  but it would surprise me.  Terri was always very family centric.  She would protect her family unit, and that is why she did the turning in thing,  this would seem the same to me until he made those murder for hire allegations.

Stoy: So did you get the impression from her that she thought that her allegation of Kaine’s steroid use had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher: No, not at all.

Stoy: Nothing like, maybe this happened as some sort of retribution against her for turning someone in previously or against Kaine if they thought he was involved because after all she says he was the one buying it back then?

Spicher: No, she told me she had no idea who was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance or why, and the only possibility she came up with after the fact because of his past behavior and the fact that he showed up at her door demanding $10,000 she had no idea what he was talking about, that it was the landscaper.   He was the only person acting like a criminal at the time.

Stoy: Have you ever seen a text of hers involving the custody situation after the fact, after the Rudy Sanchez Estrada “sting”  and she called police twice that day/evening that ended with “mark 1 for the FBI.”

Spicher: I may have, if I did I don’t remember it specifically.

Stoy: She specifically said the FBI,  who has only ever assisted in this case, and who has no jurisdictional presence in Kyron’s case, I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.

Spicher: No, I don’t have any idea what she meant.

Is it possible that illegal steroid use or sales and the recent public outing there was an ongoing Federal Investigation with the emphasis on police and gym members that included persons familiar to the Horman’s  contributed to the circumstances involving the disappearance of Kyron Horman?

Has it been excluded by having more law enforcement investigating themselves?

 

Roid Rumors and Boys In Blue.. Coincidence Or Clue?

It is no secret that Oregon has seen it’s share of corruption allegations in recent years.  The very public and very disturbing account of it’s Governor Neil Goldschmidt’s involvement with a 14 year old girl earned Willamette Week’s Nigel Jaquiss a Pulitzer in 2005 for breaking the story a year earlier.  As a strong argument for the trickle down effect,  Goldschmidt’s former driver Bernie Giusto- who became the Multnomah County Sheriff following the debacle,  was forced to resign his position when a State agency declared they would be removing his police certifications due to his lack of “moral fitness” outlined in the now infamous Giusto Report.   A former Sheriff,   Bob Skipper, was then appointed to take his place, but after two attempts could not pass the required certifications.  The current Multnomah Sheriff Dan Staton, who has since won an election, was appointed in his place.  Several current MCSO officers assigned to Kyron’s case were interviewed for the Giusto report.

In fact,  Bobby O’Donnell was the lead investigator in Kyron’s case for the first 18 months who according to his own words in his interview was the unfortunate subject of an allegation involving his own very messy divorce.

MCSO Sgt Brett Ritchie stated in a police interview that O’Donnell was seen waving a gun and threatening his life [Ritchie] after he began dating O’Donnell’s ex wife. Laura O’Donnell was granted a restraining order against him that later became an agreement between the couple.

The lead investigator in the case of a missing child openly threatened a ranking officer and that incident was never investigated outside of Ritchie being told to stay away from O’Donnell.   O’Donnell’s deposition and his motion to quash it are the subject of a hearing scheduled for Friday September 13, 2013.

There is no question the agency tasked with the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman has had several and more recent embarrassing entanglements.

In another investigative piece by the Willamette Week,  it exposes the egregious overtime paychecks that members of the prosecutors and investigators assigned to Kyron’s case have received during the early months following Kyron’s disappearance.

It is unclear how Multnomah County ever had jurisdiction in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance. According to the Skyline School’s filed safety and response plan,  the Portland Police Bureau is the agency of record.

Multnomah County’s former woes might have paled a bit in comparison if only by the difference a year makes to public memory, to that of their fellow neighboring officers in Canby, located in Clackamas County.

After several investigations into the selling and possible use of anabolic steroids  a Canby Police officer, which were repeatedly stalled due to his caption  tipping other’s off  in the alleged ring ,  Officer Jason Deason was arrested along with Canby Landscape Supply Owner William Traverso,  Brian Casey Paul Jackson were arrested.  The investigation was believed to be ongoing and Traverso, Deason and Jackson all cut deals for quick prison stints that shocked fellow officers and the public alike.   The specifics of which were sealed by the court.  It is now known that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continued to require the ongoing cooperation of it’s criminals turned informants to pursue federal indictments against possible targets in law enforcement and members of the bodybuilding set- to include acquaintances of Kaine and Terri Horman.

Presuming the confirmed allegations are true- is it possible that ‘a few years back’ Terri Horman unwittingly set off a state turned Federal investigation into the buying, using and selling of human growth hormone and anabolic steroids?  How could this be connected, if it is, to the timing of Kyron’s disappearance even if she had?

“… Jackson,   through a plea deal on state charges in 2009 where he admitted to selling anabolic steroids to Canby police officers in uniform, had been working with the FBI on an ongoing investigation when they confronted him with the knowledge that he was found deceptive on a polygraph designed to indicate if Jackson’s participation was far more extensive then he originally admitted to…”

“…Jackson, with his attorney, began cooperating with federal authorities shortly after his arrest.  He identified his source for steroids as Vancouver resident Rainbow “Bo” Wild Keepers, 39, a competitive bodybuilder and photographer. Agents ran Keepers’ name in federal databases and discovered that an Arizona man had tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration years ago that Keepers was his source of steroids. Keepers was never charged…”

 On June 3rd, 2010,  approximately 24 hours before Kyron Horman’s disappearance,  Jackson was arrested on a Federal warrant following a sealed indictment issued the day before after failing a polygraph and refusing to help the FBI further.

From the Indictment:

Between June 2, 2005 and May 2008, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials B.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury,  in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

It has since been revealed that the initials BW stand for Bradley Worden.  Worden owns a few businesses, all relating to wholesale gym equipment or nutritional products.  Worden has never been charged.

 Between June 2006 and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials N.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

The identity of the person with initials NW is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and December 2007,: in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule illcontrolled substances, to a person with the initials G.P., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and

841(b)( 1)(E).

 

The identity of the person with the initials G.P is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule III controlled substances, to a person with the initials S.B., whose full name is known  to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and 84l(b)(1)(E).

 

The initials S.B. refer to Steve Beaudoin,  a former work associate of Jackson’s and current Oregon State safety officer.

 

According to assistant U.S. Attorney Jane Shoemaker, Jackson sold Beaudoin at least 50 pills of the steroid Winstrol, an injectable steroid called Deca Durabolin, Sustanon and, in June 2007, 100 pills of Anavar on one to two occasions. Shoemaker also said Jackson sold Beaudoin $500 worth of human growth hormone. Investigators discovered the sales through witness interviews and Jackson’s computer records, Shoemaker said.

 

 

From Buff To Puff

 

In contrast to Jackson,  although Traverso also sold to Deason and other members of law enforcement,  William ‘Jake’ Traverso, a former competitive bodybuilder and “Mr. Oregon”  cooperated extensively with the FBI by identifying other law enforcement officers he sold steroids to, and got a lenient sentence of 15 days in jail, 30 days home detention and 24 months probation, with no federal charges.

In a letter submitted to a Clackamas County judge Monday, FBI Special Agent Christopher Frazier said that Traverso has discussed his drug distribution activities in detail. “The public safety employees identified by Traverso included law enforcement officers, corrections officers, fire and rescue personnel and university public safety officers,” Frazier wrote,  “Several spin-off FBI public corruption investigations were initiated as a result of these allegations, and are ongoing.”

 

Traverso, Deason and Jackson were cooperating with the Feds simultaneously, and in a very public way.  Although Deason had been similarly employed by the Canby Police under Chief Greg Kroeplin, at least one of the raids on Traverso- Deason’s client,  was by Deason’s Canby fellow officer James Murphy.

 

John Hingson, Traverso’s attorney and past commentator on the Horman case,  sparred with then ADA Norm Frink as well.  Hingson unearthed the report that included Murphy had been demoted following Deason’s arrest and his credibility was called into question.  Murphy worked the graveyard shift with Deason.  The report also revealed that both Deason and Officer James Murphy, who was one of the few to initiate an investigation into Deason’s steroid abuse, were put at risk when they were scheduled to work side by side as the only two officers on that shift.

“…Hingson obtained a 2009 report written by private detectives the City of Canby had hired to investigate the steroid scandal. Among their findings: Murphy had been demoted from detective to officer for alleged dishonesty…”

Chief GregKroeplin resigned prior to release of a scorching memo outlining the city’s findings they had outsourced properly to two retired Oregon detectives, which would have resulted in his termination.

Murphy, still employed by Canby Police, is apparently looking to renew the agencies stint for bad press.

 

On October 13, 2011, six months after former Willamette Week journalist James Pitkin featured his Lord of The Flies article outlining Murphy’s internal investigation led to his demotion for dishonestly, he arrested a freelance sports reporter while taking pictures of him exiting the Canby Police Headquarters on duty and entering his personal vehicle.

Andrew Millbrooke  filed a Federal lawsuit in 2012 against The City of Canby,  Officer James Murphy and his captain Bret Smith  for excessive force and wrongful arrest which took place after Murphy used his cruiser to follow Millbrooke who was on foot.   In a police report from another officer in the case, Millbrooke tells him he is a freelance journalist trying to expose corruption and drug use by Officer Murphy.  The suit is pending.  A review of the declarations by both Mr. Smith and Mr. Murphy do not include the details of the investigative report commissioned by The City Of Canby discussing Mr. Murphy’s prior demotion.  Mr. Murphy also had a recent court decision regarding improper procedure [See Bonneau].

 

With pending motions to release the employment files of some Canby police officers to include Murphy, the charges against  Traverso were dismissed  this past May due the state delaying the case over 23 months.

Traverso, Deason and Jackson are all currently on probation.  Traverso is awaiting trial on recent charges involving watermelon theft.

As the Federal Bureau of Investigation is listed as an investigative partner to MCSO in the Kyron Horman investigation, it is their policy not to release files where they are not the lead agency of record or during an ongoing criminal investigation .

Requests for comment from Kaine Horman through his attorney Brett Engel regarding the allegations that he has either purchased or sold  illegal steroids have not been returned at the time of this publication.

However, in an article published to include a quote from Kaine Horman it seems that Kaine confirms Ms. Spicher’s assertion that Terri Horman did not use illegal steroids,  but rather nutritional supplements and had moved past those very quickly after her bodybuilding competition.

“…Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

“She’s not eating a lot of food, she’s exercising twice a day, she’s up at 4 o’clock in the morning, she’s not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her,” he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.

At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash…”

S.Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief, www.blinkoncrime.com was able to independently confirm Ms. Spicher’s account of alleged steroid use and ensuing investigation of a gym member as told to her by Terri Horman.

The source,  an associate of Terri Horman, DeDe Spicher and Kaine Horman who declined to be identified, went on to say that at the time it was “… really common knowledge who was using steroids and who was selling them…”   “… was not aware previously that Terri Horman claimed to have instigated contact with law enforcement to turn in the seller…”  The source declined to identify the seller and could not say for certain if he was charged and likely would not away- given the request not to disclose the source’s name on the record.

Reached for comment,  Terri Moulton Horman Attorney Stephen Houze declined to comment based on his policy of not speaking publicly when a client has pending legal matters.

A request for comment to Mr. Bunch,  Terri Horman’s divorce attorney has not been returned by the time of this publication.

 

More Questions Than Answers..

Following several hours of interviews with  DeDe Spicher, the woman who was not a close friend to Terri Horman but ultimately was the closest to her in the early days of the investigation- are we left with more questions than answers about what could have happened to the little boy whose 11th birthday was 2 days ago?

Spicher concedes that anything she discussed as told to her by Terri Horman in some minor instances may only be verifiable by Horman herself- and she is not talking… Yet.

She also points out that ultimately everything she told me she shared with investigators as far as “truthfulness” was confirmed by a polygraph – to include the question “Was she withholding any information from investigators?”

She was not.

Although limited, Spicher’s accounts in many instances confirm sparse information heard early on from Terri herself.  Not the least of which was that although widely criticized for not speaking out publicly, she was told by investigators not to under any circumstances- and when she broached the possibility of retaining counsel was told that she would then be cut off from any information as to the investigation process to find Kyron Horman.

Through Spicher,  Horman also confirmed that out of concern for Horman’s “spacieness”  which she defined by walking into a room and staring off, not remembering, etc,  Terri Horman called his pediatrition Thursday June 3rd and made an appointment for Friday June 11th.  His last day of school. Horman also told Spicher that Kyron had wondered off or got lost while in his teacher Ms. Porter’s care once before when following a fellow student out of class.

Initially, prior to learning Kyron had been marked absent not very long after she left the building, that was Horman’s first thought.  Those hopes grew into panic with that revelation that he had been missing for hours.

 

Spicher says Terri was adamant that she never had a sexual relationship with the now infamous landscaper Rudy Sanchez Estrada  Spicher agrees that her friend had the propensity to be flirtatious but she never knew her to be sexually promiscuous.  Outside of the fact that she says at Kaine’s request to occasionally include an additional female in the bedroom,  to which Spicher declined, she was not aware that the Horman’s had a swinger lifestyle.

To her knowledge,  there were other women that were asked to participate in a threesome with the couple that did not say no some years ago, but had no current knowledge and she herself was never involved with Horman sexually.

In her take, the addition of a 3rd female was an expression of control on Kaine’s part in the relationship.

 

Terri explained the landscapers “sexual accosting” , previously reported exclusively by www.blinkoncrime this way:

“… She said she had Kitty on her hip and he came up behind her and was kissing her neck and put his arm around her and when she verbally resisted with concern that Kitty was in her arms he sort of grabbed her and she spun around and broke free…”

 

Spicher adds that on more than one occasion she tried to bring that up during meetings with DA Norm Frink and investigators.  One one occasion, as suggested by her Father, a former Klamath County Marine Officer,  at their own expense  The Klamath County Sheriff and his first lieutenant had  agreed to meet with Frink, Spicher and her father on DeDe’s behalf to sort of provide character backgrounds and family history he felt would be helpful in clearing her.

“…  This came up in the first interview I had with Mr Frink and I told him she had made that call. Later in the interview when he was trying to push more of my buttons, he tells me that call never happened (implying Terri had lied to me). I told him okay, that’s what you’re telling me, but I recall it differently (implying he was lying to me right then). He got very angry about that and insisted it was “fact”. I said okay, whatever. Much later, like one of the last times I met with Mr Frink, the Klamath County Sheriff and his 1st Lieutenant flew up on their own dime to meet with Mr Frink & Keith Krafve to see if they could help by offering their opinion of my character, and that it didn’t seem unusual to them at all that I would go help Terri, that it is very consistent with how my family has always been. At that meeting, I retold the story of Rudy sexually accosting Terri (her words), but said I wasn’t sure about the 911 call. That totally infuriated Mr Frink. I told him I was trying to believe him and simply not certain about what I could remember on that point.

 

The DAs office behaved very strangely toward the Klamath Co Sheriff and his Lt. They tried everything they could to keep us separated and even insisted that they (the DAs office) drive them back to the airport, despite the fine fact that we (Dad & I) had picked them up and brought them in, and would definitely be seeing them again in the near future. It was just weird, to all of us…”

 

I asked DeDe if she used the term called 911 in every exchange.  She had.  I asked her if she got the impression that the reason Frink was so sure it never happened was because there was no 911 call on the record about it – could it be that maybe she reached out to that former law enforcement person she contacted on the steroid issue and it was actually a dispatch call versus a trackable 911 call issue.

Spicher says she got the impression that Frink was suggesting that the “accosting” as described by her friend did not happen, but could not be sure except to say that Frink seemed to become irate when she brought it up on every occasion.  Spicher felt Sanchez Estrada was the only person behaving like a criminal and that supported the accounts she was given.

I asked DeDe if Terri mentioned ever paying Sanchez Estrada for work at the Horman home.  She said she did not recall Terri ever saying anything other than she had no idea what he was talking about when he came to the door and asked for $10,000 so she slammed the door in his face and called 911.

Stoy: So did she think it was some sort of extortion attempt now that she had mentioned him to investigators and they told her that they had interviewed him?

Spicher: She thought that he was dangerous from her past experience.

Stoy: Did you think it was odd that with a brand new John Deere tractor parked outside that TH was hiring a landscaper?  I was able to confirm through other sources that he cleared some blackberry or blueberry bushes similar to Ms. Von Klevelen,  and the tractor does not have a UCC lien on it, meaning it was not financed.

Spicher:  No, it wasn’t.  Kaine bought it.  It was Terri’s job to manage the inside of the house as well as the entire property.   I knew that when Kaine would travel he would come up with this project lists for her to complete by the time he got home.  I  mean, like cleaning the gutters,  cutting the grass, washing all the windows, that sort of thing.  To the best of my recollection Terri and Kaine did not have bank accounts together- he controlled everything he made.

Stoy: With a baby,  7 year old and teenager and hubby out of town? How was she managing that?  No wonder he was suggesting that she was pouring through money like water or something like that, she was probably hiring help.  I am not even sure I think a woman by herself at that property with a baby should be on the roof by herself anyway.

Spicher:  No,  Terri  had to pay any support money or whatever to the household expenses and I have surmised Kaine gave her some sort of allowance which she probably blew through pretty quickly on frivolous things like food and clothes for her children.  I have never known Terri to be frivolous with money.  I know of at least two times when the projects she was supposed to accomplish were impossible for her to manage.  One was the windows so I believe she hired someone that time and as I recall her parents paid for that.  I believe the other was the landscaper.

Stoy: Is it a fair question for me to ask how you feel about Kaine, from your tone I am sensing you are not a fan.

Spicher: I have tremendous compassion for Kaine- he lost his child- what can one even say about that?  But no, he is not someone I would want to be friends with today and I was cordial to him whenever I was around him but he was very controlling and was pretty mean to Terri about her weight from Kitty, things like that- I am not going to have anything in common with that.

Stoy:  Did Terri ever mention anything about conflicts with Desiree Young, whether they were between her and she or Kaine and Desiree?

Spicher: Not that I recall, but I also never heard her speak of Desiree negatively at any time previously or when I stayed with her [Terri].

Stoy: That is saying a lot because right after the sting Ms. Young was pretty accusatory pretty quickly- and I do note that was based on information from law enforcement.  Similar to some of the things both she and Kaine said publicly about you.  Are you angry about that?

Spicher:  O my no.  That poor woman is going through hell and acted on information that I was told, lie or not, was given to her and Kaine.  I have nothing but compassion for her and I wish I could shoulder some of her pain because I can..   I have nothing but compassion for all of Kyron’s parents and any anger I have over how I was treated, what I went through would never be directed at them.   I really pray that Kyron will be found,  I choose to put my energy into hope for that.

Pending Matters

Through Attorney Bunch,  Terri Horman makes the claim that both law enforcement and Kaine Horman have been perpetrating the dissemination of inaccurate information involving the circumstances of Kyron Horman’s disappearance.

In a recent filing, set for hearing this Friday,  Bunch pens a scathing reply to Deputy O’Donnell’s motion to quash, and accuses the county of improper ex parte communication.

Early this afternoon,  a source within the Multnomah County Courthouse speaking on the condition of anonymity has confirmed that on behalf of Multnomah County, a motion has been filed to limit certain documents or discoverable information related to Mr. Horman and Bobby O’Donnell of the MCSO.

A hearing is scheduled before Judge Kantor for this Friday September 13, 2013

 

 

Jacqueline Beaufort,  Ellie Sanders – research and contributing editors to this article.

Jason Mateos- contributing editor, copy.

 

 

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4,398 Comments

  1. vw says:

    D.A.D.

    Never would rule him out. ‘roids is new thought. Erratic behavior, June,2010. Penchant for poof. Proximity. Knowledge of the area and school and poss. prior access to school. Erratic behavior X10 at the time Staton says he’d “wrap it up” in Jan. 2011. TMH look-alike spotted in truck with ? Kyron on day of abduction turning off on hy 30?

    Waiting for some connection between DAD and KH. Anything? Bottom’s Up drink pal? Why did KH believe so strongly that Kyron was coming back? And yet he stated “this will be the first father’s day that he won’t be with us” a couple days before father’s day. How could he be so sure? Were DAD and Kaine together in this? Something went wrong (bee sting?) in the “stashing” and DAD freaked in January? DAD’s family (brother) giving that odd interview. How “maintained” was Kaine that month?

  2. Amys Sister says:

    T Ruth, here is a video of Michael Durham, David’s brother, recorded January 2011 stating David had been on pain meds for the past few months so if we are to believe Michael, David’s medication use began after Kyron’s disappearance.

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/114614949.html

  3. Amys Sister says:

    The information at this link is even more specific, indicating David Durham began taking pain meds directly at the time Kyron went missing.

    “Durham’s brother said the suspect has always been kind-hearted and quick to make friends. He also was a responsible employee and community-minded, serving as a volunteer firefighter for six years, Michael Durham said.

    But about six or seven months ago, David Durham sustained a shoulder injury and started taking pain medication that had been prescribed by a doctor, his brother said.

    And at that point, he started having trouble “with perceiving what was real and what was not.”"

  4. Amys Sister says:

    And here’s a link discussing the shooting of Officer Dodds, the subsequent chase and continuous shooting by David Durham at the police, how he jumped a guardrail and disappeared.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2012/01/a_year_after_officer_steven_do.html

  5. erose says:

    Morelia, Mexico must be ground zero for the Mexican drug war.

    snip>

    Some experts blame the drug war for distracting law-enforcement from pursuing common criminals. Others say drug cartels have turned to common crime as a way to fund their clashes with each other, and with troops and federal police.

    Some of the first effects were felt in Morelia, the once-sleepy capital of Michoacan state, where Mexico launched its war on drugs.

    The clashes in Michoacan began when local traffickers who had worked with the Gulf cartel became disenchanted with the tactics of that cartel’s brutal enforcement wing, the Zetas, and formed their own gang with the avowed intention of keeping the Zetas out. The state’s Pacific coastline and rugged, green countryside are ideal for clandestine operations such as methamphetamine labs.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/20/against-backdrop-drug-war-mexico-fights-wave-common-crime-bank-robberies/

    JoCo says:
    October 21, 2013 at 4:42 pm

  6. Rose says:

    @MBS. I have not been to the FB page described by JoCo.
    I referred to pics on this site which has a FB link I’ve not clicked.
    http://missingpieceofthepuzzle.blogspot.com/2013/10/weeding-out-landscaper.html?m=1
    The blogger does not say the site & pics are valid.
    Personally, I’d say the FB site is likely a spoof.
    —-
    In looking up the fired nsc staffer natsecwonk two twitter sotes, I discoveredthat even if closed or private, tweets appear on a favstar. It is amazing what these secondary sites do.
    —-
    when I type Terri Horman into whotalking, I get mostly the same entries as for Kyron Horman.
    But when I type in Kaine Horman there is Nada, Zero, Zilch. Tried it twice. Impossible as most of the Kyron & Terri hits are retweets from law firms saying Kaine Horman wants Terri Hormans documrnts. Then there’s BKH Facebook.
    What kind of programming power or friend programmer erases KH specifically from whotalking?

  7. patriciamochalatte says:

    I can’t be the only one who is wondering how a box of needles and cancelled checks were supposedly overlooked at the Horman home. There at that home directly after Kron’s disappearance were LEO’s KH, TH, DY, TY an LEO, and another LEO officer. TH allegedly broadcasted to all in the home that she failed the ldt and yet the Horman home wasn’t checked over and gone through with a fine tooth comb? Seriously?

  8. grasshopper says:

    Rose says:
    October 23, 2013 at 5:14 am
    when I type Terri Horman into whotalking, I get mostly the same entries as for Kyron Horman.
    But when I type in Kaine Horman there is Nada, Zero, Zilch. Tried it twice. Impossible as most of the Kyron & Terri hits are retweets from law firms saying Kaine Horman wants Terri Hormans documrnts. Then there’s BKH Facebook.
    What kind of programming power or friend programmer erases KH specifically from whotalking?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    this is VERY interesting. I’ve had google alerts on Kyron, Terri, Kaine, Desiree since Kyron disappeared. I frequently get duplicate hits on Terri and Kaine so there is plenty out there. It shouldn’t surprise us that Kaine or a friend could strip talk about him from certain sites but it’s significant to see that somebody HAS done it. with all the trash talking he has done about Terri, it’s ironic that he can’t tolerate even a little bit on a site like this.

  9. erose says:

    @patricia, I raised a similar point wondering why KH left the house the day of the sting and didn’t take his “stash.” It was proposed that he did not expect to be gone from the home for very long. I suggested that she may have given the evidence to her parents well before Kyron was abducted to use in the divorce that may have been planned prior.

    Cancelled checks in a search would be meaningless until LE was looking for something specific. I am guessing the syringes were empty presumably the evidence being KH’s DNA and only steroid residue. Overlooked? Well hidden? IDK…

  10. JoCo says:

    Rose – If the Rudy and Anselmo Facebook pages are spoofs, then they seem have been created with personal photos not available elsewhere on the internet. Assuming that, the spoofer would have to be law enforcement. Likely ICE. Not feeling that, but I could be wrong.

  11. grasshopper says:

    @erose, It appears to me that LE/DA has carried out a cover up of something in the course of this non-investigation. If there happened to be some LE/DA involvement in steroids, it would not matter if they found the syringes during their search. It would simply be one more piece of info to suppress.

  12. Rose says:

    TY JoCo. The blogger did question if it was him.
    A Certain Cousin mentioned on that compendium of FB excerpts how easy
    it would be to set up a blog in the name of another person with pics
    of herself & family. If he could do it, anyone could. Unless Blink
    verifies (or media staking out the depo site)
    that’s RSE’s pic, who knows?

  13. RedRose says:

    OK. DAD’s back on my list. If LE would really get serious about finding him, or if somebody hired a PI who actually could DO stuff,maybe he would turn up. DAD seems to pop up here often enough with all of the questions following
    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/additional/david-anthony-durham
    (wELL,I guess the FBI is sort-of working on this)

    ME: wonder what kind of shoulder injury he had??

    Does anyone expect we can get KH to show a more pro-active interest in finding his little boy (or even half as much as we all do? Keeping secrets, in this case, seems to only have hurt a small, innocent child.
    Raising $$ for whatever he ‘says’ he’s raising them for doesn’t seem to help much.

    Questions everywhere. No answers. Poof.

    @vw says: October 23, 2013 at 1:12 am (and others)

    D.A.D.

  14. lizzy says:

    I get plenty of Kaine Horman hits on whotalking. No idea what happened when you tried.

  15. erose says:

    @Rose, DY yield = KH on whostalking

  16. GraceintheHills says:

    Blink once posted a photo of Rudy Sanchez. The picture on this Facebook page looks nothing like the man in the photo that was posted here.

    Correct, not RSE.
    B

  17. T. Ruth says:

    @JoCo

    Along with MbS, I am wondering about the link to RSE/AS FB acct.

  18. T. Ruth says:

    patriciamochalatte says:
    October 23, 2013 at 11:14 am

    I can’t be the only one who is wondering how a box of needles and cancelled checks were supposedly overlooked at the Horman home. There at that home directly after Kron’s disappearance were LEO’s KH, TH, DY, TY an LEO, and another LEO officer. TH allegedly broadcasted to all in the home that she failed the ldt and yet the Horman home wasn’t checked over and gone through with a fine tooth comb? Seriously?

    **********************

    Am I the only one who did not know that there was a basement in that home until the sexts came out? Terri specifically referenced that she was in the basement retrieving something….????? Could it be that she was down there retrieving something that KH thought was long gone?

    Ya’ll remember I’m sure that KH at first didn’t seem to give an RA about having to leave the house with Terri still residing there? (Never included she needed to vacate premises in his RO) What lit his fire to all of a sudden decide he and Kiara needed to get back into that house? He used the excuse about Kiara should not have to adjust to a new environment……uh……if Kiara was in any way being mistreated, neglected, or such…..one would think he would WANT her out of that house. Nope, he wanted her back in there. And now he’s asking her (in recent court docs) for anything she removed from that house back to like May 1, 2010? (I forgot is that right?)

    My gut feeling, just gut…..is that Kaine Horman suddenly remembered there was something left in the house, that he should not have left, and I think his realization of such, was when he read the sexts provided him by LE that indicated Terri had just retrieved stuff from the basement.

    Okay, question time

    @Blink

    Did Dede ever indicate to you the date when she & Terri transported the alleged steroid paraphernalia to Houze?

    Yes, but not for publication.
    B

  19. MockingbirdSings says:

    Rose says:
    October 23, 2013 at 5:14 am

    @MBS. I have not been to the FB page described by JoCo.
    I referred to pics on this site which has a FB link I’ve not clicked.
    http://missingpieceofthepuzzle.blogspot.com/2013/10/weeding-out-landscaper.html?m=1
    The blogger does not say the site & pics are valid.
    Personally, I’d say the FB site is likely a spoof.
    ——————————

    Thanks, Rose. I found it through that blog link.

    I have copied all the pictures supposedly of Rodolfo/Rudy so far and looked at them side by side. I personally don’t see any resemblance between the FB guy and Blink’s Rudy. There was another FB well over a year ago that some of us looked at – I believe it was someone in Illinois who did have a bit of a resemblance, and we wondered if he had moved there – but I don’t think so.

    I also looked at that Anselmo and the one we had from a mugshot which didn’t look the same to me.

    The names are so common it wouldn’t have to be a spoof. The only thing I saw that seemed out of place was the 1 picture of landscaping equipment parked/stored in a driveway which clearly shows “RS Landscaping” on the side of one. None of the other pictures on his FB page seemed to be work related and he doesn’t mention working there. Everything else I looked at was family and travel and music. Wonder of somebody stuck that photo on there for some reason – it didn’t make much sense – would be like me taking a picture of “stuff” in my garage and posting. Why?

    Assuming Blink stands by her photo. Anybody else compare pictures?

  20. Cindy says:

    I’m confused about DAD, sorry for that, is he missing, dead, or alive?

  21. Rose says:

    @grasshopper. whotalking appears to be created & owned by one Australian.
    It’s uniqueness is you see otherwise private FB posts or tweets placed on “private” sites
    if you have key words.

    @JoCo. with sequestration having lasted a year,
    I doubt any ICE or other Fed employee has been
    available for spoof site creation, unless it was Jofi Joseph.

  22. T. Ruth says:

    @Cindy says:
    October 24, 2013 at 9:38 am

    DAD is a wanted man. LE does not know whether he is dead or alive. They have nothing to point to him being deceased, so they assume he is alive.

    Weird how that sounds like Kyron when I read what I just wrote. Creepy.

  23. T. Ruth says:

    @Cindy, meant to offer up this link:

    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/additional/david-anthony-durham

    (snipped from his wanted poster)

    Remarks:
    Durham is known to possess survival skills. He was wearing full green camouflage at the time of his disappearance, as well as tan or dark boots, and a dark-colored beret. In the past, he has expressed a desire to travel or is believed to have traveled to California, the Caribbean, and Thailand.

  24. Rose says:

    TY Blink wrt pic.

  25. T. Ruth says:

    (snipped, more @ link)

    PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) -

    The Portland Public School District says it’s making big changes to increase safety at Elementary and Middle schools across the city.

    All 68 schools are slated to receive technological upgrades by the end of the year. They include electronic keypad locks, security cameras and monitoring systems.

    “None of these things end up replacing the involvement of every single member of our community in keeping our kids safe but it’s a big difference in terms of just feeling like you know who is in your building,” said Superintendent Carole Smith.

    http://www.kptv.com/story/23756282/portland-public-schools-get-security-upgrade

    Interesting timing.

  26. Sunshine_4me says:

    @Cindy
    All anyone knows of DAD is that he is missing which therefore, no one can confirm if dead or alive.

  27. T. Ruth says:

    Rose says:
    October 22, 2013 at 10:59 am

    @Blink. That was a lot of trouble for tmh to go to. I can see her calling the Detective in charge & saying “So ping me today.” It was a smart thing to do. Maybe Gosson believed her.
    If she gave them that corroboration opportunity, and they didn’t use it, imo she was set up from the beginning by someone with dependent police allies and Kaine’s steroid dealor & his upward chain of command works for me. Her police report was clearly not anonymous to those who would lose their jobs if their use was revealed. And one of Terri’s biggest media accusers early on was the gym manager, who’d just become a gym owner.
    **********

    Set up in from the beginning by someone with police allies? Hmmmm, let’s see, who do we know that said Terri was involved from the beginning and has police allies?

  28. T. Ruth says:

    Interesting article on steroids and LE:
    http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-140255.html

    There is a scientific explanation for the violent behavior exhibited by steroid abusers, says Linn Goldberg, a professor of medicine at Oregon Health & Science University and an expert on steroid abuse.

    “Your dopamine receptors are changed,” he said, referring to the chemical in the brain that transmit nerve signals. “They help guard against a lack of impulse control.”

    Steroid abusers lack the same level of control that non-users have. “They have uncontrolled aggressive feelings. Their judgment is impaired,” Goldberg said.

    The problem with steroids is that they make you feel you are invulnerable, so you become more aggressive and you’re more likely to use aggression as well,” he added.

    ********

    I’m thinking steroid use could very well explain DAD’s behavior.

    (snipped again:)
    Fear Factor and the Police

    Gene Sanders, a police psychologist in Spokane, Wash., has worked extensively with police officers who are steroid abusers. “If I were going to be conservative, I’d say that probably 5 percent of everyone who walks in my door either is using or has used steroids,” he said.

    “This is getting to be a major problem,” Sanders said.

    “As a police psychologist, I can understand why it happens — it’s essentially a fear issue,” said Sanders.

    “And having been a sniper on a SWAT team, I can understand that level of fear,” he said.

    *******************

    Without a random testing program in place, I don’t see why Portland or any other town, would have any different statistics on LE steroid users, and of course he says he’s being conservative, as well as whomever may be using that is yet unknown to him. This is scary stuff.

  29. grasshopper says:

    @Blink
    I haven’t seen RSE’s facebook picture or Blink’s picture from the past. Is the photo on http://missingpieceofthepuzzle.blogspot.com/2013/10/weeding-out-landscaper.html?m=1 the same man as in photo previously posted by blink?

  30. Rose says:

    @TRuth. Good argument for that
    Independent Review Board Reese
    opposes.

  31. erose says:

    Yes, TRuth, it is. Seattle PD has had federal intervention of late due to their aggressive behaviors. It has crossed my mind that it is because of steroid abuse, and no one will come out and say it.

    T. Ruth says:
    October 24, 2013 at 3:08 pm

  32. vw says:

    Amys Sister says:
    October 23, 2013 at 1:16 am
    T Ruth, here is a video of Michael Durham, David’s brother, recorded January 2011 stating David had been on pain meds for the past few months so if we are to believe Michael, David’s medication use began after Kyron’s disappearance.

    http://www.katu.com/news/local/114614949.html

    Thanks! Amy’s Sister…..
    From the article:

    “And we noticed that his ability to perceive what was real and what was not real seemed to diminish.”

    Michael Durham said he doesn’t know if his brother was involved in the shooting. He said that this is totally out of character and that David Durham has no violence in his past.

    “This doesn’t sound like the brother I grew up with,” he said. “We didn’t have any indication he had any violent tendencies. And I don’t even know if in fact it was my brother who was in this vehicle and did the shooting.”

    A criminal background check found no record of any felony crimes in Durham’s past and nothing violent.
    ……….

    Mike’s brother was so out of character that either steroids or something much harder than weed could have changed his personality to the degree that he would resordt to shooting a cop on a routine stop.

    Or….some great threat.

  33. Rose says:

    @grasshopper. no way Jose.
    Look back to 2010 articles.

  34. T. Ruth says:

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-oregon-boys-uncle-arrested-unrelated-charge/story?id=10955255

    Gates read a statement from the Horman family, thanking authorities for their hard work and chronicling their heartbreak after two weeks without word from their young son.

    “It has been two weeks since our son Kyron disappeared,” said the statement. “For the last 14 days we have not been able to talk to him see him playing around the house or tuck him in bed. Any parents would understand the grief that this causes our family.”

    “Father’s day is Sunday. For the first time in seven years we won’t have Kyron around to talk to. It hurts us deeply and our hearts are broken,” it said.

    (above, snipped)
    *********************
    Everyone (at least in the forums I’ve read) has asked why Kaine Horman jumped the gun by saying Kyron wouldn’t be around on Father’s Day 2010.

    Can someone point me to the fact that the statement came from Kaine? IIRC, TY had been the spokesperson for the family, do we know whether or not that statement could have been written by him instead of Kaine, and perhaps just agreed to without much thought by KH & DY?

    Trying to sort facts, that’s all.

  35. JoCo says:

    Blink,

    The Rudy Estrada Facebook page has a pic of a truck and equipment with the RS Landscape Maintenance logo on it. Are you telling me that the Facebook Rudy is a completely different Rudy, who is associated with a completely different RS Landscape Maintenance, and who just happens to be related to the Anselmo you zeroed in on? If so: MIND BLOWN.

  36. cd says:

    T. Ruth says:
    October 25, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Can someone point me to the fact that the statement came from Kaine? IIRC, TY had been the spokesperson for the family, do we know whether or not that statement could have been written by him instead of Kaine, and perhaps just agreed to without much thought by KH & DY?
    Trying to sort facts, that’s all.
    ———————————
    I believe that the fathers day comment was read in a statement by Gates that was written by the family
    ———————————
    -snip
    Gates read a statement from the Horman family, thanking authorities for their hard work and chronicling their heartbreak after two weeks without word from their young son.
    -snip
    “It has been two weeks since our son Kyron disappeared,” said the statement. “For the last 14 days we have not been able to talk to him see him playing around the house or tuck him in bed. Any parents would understand the grief that this causes our family.”

    “Father’s day is Sunday. For the first time in seven years we won’t have Kyron around to talk to. It hurts us deeply and our hearts are broken,” it said.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-oregon-boys-uncle-arrested-unrelated-charge/story?id=10955255

  37. Cindy says:

    Thanks Sunshine_4me and T.Ruth for the clarification of D.A.D. Just makes me wonder how hard anyone is looking for him, but if he traveled overseas, he could disappear forever….so sad….where is Kyron? What is the possibility of Kyron being with him?

  38. Bumble says:

    Cindy says:
    October 25, 2013 at 8:48 am
    Thanks Sunshine_4me and T.Ruth for the clarification of D.A.D. Just makes me wonder how hard anyone is looking for him, but if he traveled overseas, he could disappear forever….so sad….where is Kyron? What is the possibility of Kyron being with him?

    **********************************************************
    @Cindy,

    I think there is almost no chance of Kyron being with him, if he was involved with Ky’s disappearance at all, because of the way DAD would have had to leave. I believe that if DAD got away (alive) it was in the very early morning, before people were waking up to the news that he had shot officer Dodd. I myself didn’t see a picture of DAD until later in the week. He had been running all night from the police. I fear that Kyron is no longer living.

  39. T. Ruth says:

    Interesting news that the GJ in the Ramsey case, issued a true bill gainst the Ramsey’s, but the DA withheld that info and decided not to indict. Makes me wonder if that’s what’s gone on in this case?

  40. grasshopper says:

    @Cindy, I have not thoroughly researched DAD but from what I understand he has no history of violence before the cop shooting and that appears spontaneous rather than planned out. He has no history of any other crime. What are the chances he could pull off the perfect crime, grabbing Kyron and getting away without leaving a shred of evidence, and why on earth would he want to take a 7 year old boy anyway? He might be an experienced survivalist but adding a child with whom he has no personal connection seems to me unlikely.

  41. nate0419 says:

    1. Cindy says:
    October 25, 2013 at 8:48 am
    Thanks Sunshine_4me and T.Ruth for the clarification of D.A.D. Just makes me wonder how hard anyone is looking for him, but if he traveled overseas, he could disappear forever….so sad….where is Kyron? What is the possibility of Kyron being with him?
    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    Cindy, I would not be surprised to find DAD with Margaret Mary Kohler. While I was looking up info to remember her name, dates etc. I was surprised to find that she was declared dead after 16 months and according to OR state police DAD was last seen running up the beach. I was under the impression he was last seen hopping over the guard rail and disappearing into the woods.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/03/search_for_missing_waldport_woman_intensifies_after_authorities_find_her_van.html

    Margaret Mary Kohler, 53, drove her maroon, 2003 Toyota Sienna minivan to the Cape Perpetua Scenic Area of the Siuslaw National Forest to take her dog for a walk about midday Feb. 18, but did not return, a concerned friend told emergency dispatchers the next evening

    http://www.newportnewstimes.com/v2_news_articles.php?heading=0&story_id=34578&page=72

    WALDPORT – Sixteen months after Margaret Mary Kohler disappeared while walking her dog in the Cape Perpetua area, a Lincoln County judge this week ruled that she died of accidental means.

    http://www.oregon.gov/osp/NEWSRL/pages/news/01_12_2012_dodds_durham_update.aspx

    There has not been one confirmed sighting of David Durham since January 24, 2011 when he was last seen running up the beach towards the Bay Shore subdivision in Waldport. While fleeing on foot it is believed Durham also shot at two men crabbing in the Alsea Bay. Due to the hard work and assistance from other law enforcement agencies, we have been able to confirm that the many reported sightings were positively not David Durham. There are some reported sightings that cannot be confirmed either way. Some tips are vague and anonymous with no way of contacting the caller for more information.

  42. A Texas Grandfather says:

    erose

    I want to add another dimension to the aggressive behavior of LE. This is IMO the result of the military tactics from the SWAT teams. There are too many of those teams in LE and this bleeds over into the day to day operations of an agency.

    In an effort to stay in shape, some will use enhancements such as steroids and this will contribute to the ability to be aggressive.

  43. lyla says:

    @T.RUTH

    “********************
    “Everyone (at least in the forums I’ve read) has asked why Kaine Horman jumped the gun by saying Kyron wouldn’t be around on Father’s Day 2010.

    Can someone point me to the fact that the statement came from Kaine? IIRC, TY had been the spokesperson for the family, do we know whether or not that statement could have been written by him instead of Kaine, and perhaps just agreed to without much thought by KH & DY?

    Trying to sort facts, that’s all.”
    ——————————————————————
    I believe the press conference you are referring to was around 10 days after Ky went missing. Kaine did make the father’s day statement and somewhere on this thread I did post the website, in fact I actually watched it the day he spoke.

  44. Rose says:

    @ATG. Along the lines of the problem you mention, quite an article today:
    As The Drug War Escalates, SWAT Teams Become ‘Bullies With Badges And Guns’
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/25/utah-police-reform_n_4150625.html

  45. Rose says:

    @TRuth. Haven’t read the JBR docs, just a bit of press saying, boiled down, parents
    1) put her in a situation where injury could occur, resulting in death (in her home!)
    2) assisted a person with intent to prevent prosecution… knowing the person had committed 1st degree murder
    (this of an unknown assailant with no evidence of ties to parents).
    These are painted as child abuse charges (reminescent of MC DA’s talking about interagency cooperation.)
    These were ludicrous charges. even if the assailant were known & arrested & successfully prosecuted, without a tie to a parent, PLUS evidenceproving intent & knowledge of the parent, it would never fly. Seems to be Kyron’s bios theory of TH’s guilt here tho: failure to prevent harm & failure to tell all she knows.

  46. Rose says:

    Fox12 today called the E County Major Crimes team a SWAT team but that could’ve been colloquial useage.

    Recently retired Sgt of same
    https://touch.www.linkedin.com/?sessionid=7469234638553088&as=false&rs=false#public-profile/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fpub%2Fjeffry-hansen%2F23%2Fa10%2Fa63

    In an Aug ’13 arrest MCSO commanded several SWAT teams.
    http://www.katu.com/news/local/SWAT-teams-detain-10-while-executing-search-warrant-in-E-Portland-220515401.html?mobile=y

  47. grasshopper says:

    visited the file room today. turned out to be quite interesting if totally unproductive. When I went last friday, Houze’s objection to perpetuation had been entered in the data base but was not yet in the file. not too surprising. entered oct 15 and I went on oct 18. however today, the 25th, is a full 10 days since it was entered, but this objection to perpetuation was not in the file today. The clerk who helped me went looking for it since it had been so long. she was gone for a long time but could not find it anywhere. it is my guess that she looked through the docs waiting to be put into files. not only that, not one doc has been entered into the data base since oct 15, Houze’s. so clearly DA hasn’t filed for standing. beyond that it is eerily quiet.

  48. erose says:

    O/T, but it’s time to acknowledge roids are the new botox.

    Hollywood and Steroids: When A-List Actors Go the A-Rod Route

    http://movies.yahoo.com/news/hollywood-steroids-list-actors-rod-route-050000921.html

  49. Mom3.0 says:

    Hello

    Offering up a different perspective –
    from the latest discussion brought forth from patricias question concerning the home being searched and Dede stating

    “Because a few years back I recall Terri telling me that Kaine was what she referred to as “juicing” and that his behavior had become very aggressive and well, impatient or overeactive with the kids and she had discussed it with him and he ignored her.”

    and the whole syringes and canceled check issue-

    - By all accounts Terri knew of kaines supposed steroid use- she was concerned over his aggressiveness and treatment of her and the children-
    Yet she did not immediately speak out against little Kiara staying with Kaine ? She did not immediately speak with LE about his prior illegal behavior and or overly aggressive behaviors toward herself and the children?

    Add to that Terri kept USED steroid syringes in her home? Where is the safety in that?

    Add to that terri told Dede that she was trying to work with LE anonymously but the detective contacted her directly ….I must be misunderstanding this point as IF LE was aware of illegal steroid use buying selling in a home with children how is it that there was not an investigation by anyone let alone child protective services?

    Also IIRC terri had a DUI with a reckless child? endangerment charge – well according to the texts teri was drinking again- as she claimed Dede was her supplier… if this is true wouldnt it be in the best interests of Kiara to not be in her care? Anyone who has ever known a person w/ a drinking problem understands the dangers in even trying to have “just one”

    IRT the steroids, T Ruths post on usage and effects was quite interesting- what could it mean to DAD as well as Kain and even terri for DeDe could not rule out her abusing steroids outright….

    Snipped from TRuths post

    There is a scientific explanation for the violent behavior exhibited by steroid abusers, says Linn Goldberg, a professor of medicine at Oregon Health & Science University and an expert on steroid abuse.

    “Your dopamine receptors are changed,” he said, referring to the chemical in the brain that transmit nerve signals. “They help guard against a lack of impulse control.”

    Steroid abusers lack the same level of control that non-users have. “They have uncontrolled aggressive feelings. Their judgment is impaired,” Goldberg said.

    The problem with steroids is that they make you feel you are invulnerable, so you become more aggressive and you’re more likely to use aggression as well,” he added.

    —-

    Well, it seems to me that terri and her sexting as well as possible flirting with Rudy and or MFH plot could fall under lack of impulse control- as well as lack of judgement- and it could be argued that the leaving Kyron a young boy with vision problems
    unattended was too
    snipped:
    “Horman also told Spicher that Kyron had wondered off or got lost while in his teacher Ms. Porter’s care once before when following a fellow student out of class.”

    This IMO was a gross misjudgment which nomatter what you believe happened lead to Kyrons disappearance sadly– add to that her choice to take a sick baby shopping and then to leave her in a gym daycare rather than skipping it and going home .. this could be argued as poor judgement as well… and too even without possible steroid use,IF terri was drinking again this alone could have accounted for her choices /strange behaviors- as well as her inability to recall her exact whereabouts and even her failing the poly….

    —Also I am wondering why anyone would question a parents right to stay in the family home with their child- why would it be better or right to allow terri to stay?- he did have custody of both children …why shouldnt Kaine as the father of both Kiara and Kyron ask for and be granted the use of the family domicile?

    Also why is terris household and yard care/duties being touted as some form of possible jerkness or abuse? What married couple doesnt delegate jobs or have honey do lists? and how hard could she have been toiling away when james stated he did the dishes and the yard work and the taking out of the trash…and also please keep in mind that terri hired a landscaper- again how abusive could her work have been?

    Which also brings up the questions regarding terri “Having to give up her support payments-

    Really? why on earth wouldnt she want to contribute to the household as she and her daughter and her son james as well as her Kyron and her husband resided their as a family- they ate together they shared space and time together and vacations together etc- what? his is hers but what is hers is hers alone?

    Next as to Kaines online presence – I tend to agree w/ those that find nothing earth shattering about Kaine not being big on FB etc-
    he worked long hours he traveled for work- Terri enjoyed the use of FB and blogs etc- In my experience this would leave little time for kaine to be involved in such activities.

    That is not to say that we may just not be privy to his online behaviors perhaps he kept them on the downlow- I mean I doubt very seriously he signed into swingers Rus as Kaine Horman- or maybe he did as IIRC in the beginning there was talk of both Teri and Kaine being members online or was all that just rumor?

    T Ruth I agree that there could be some similarities in what went down with the Ramsey grandjury and what may be going on with this grandjury..

    they do share the suspensions…

    Rose your interpretation of the news reports is certainly one way of lookin at the newest revelations and you may be right but it is not the only way to look at it, as again just like with this case- we are not privy to all the evidence or witness statements same with ramsey case and since we are not- we can not say for certain that there was a lack of evidence to move forward as a judge DID sign off on the indictment… also
    the papers read in part:

    “…each parent “did render assistance to a person” with the intent to prevent their arrest or prosecution, knowing they had “committed and was suspected of the crime of murder in the first degree and child abuse resulting in death…”

    and

    each parent “did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child’s life or health, which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey.”
    ====
    the above is far different then what you wrote- as the papers did not name a person other than the Ramseys themselves so in truth they could have been covering for one another or for a loved one- such as Burke…

    so you see your claim of(this of an unknown assailant with no evidence of ties to parent) is just not the case or at least is only one interpretation of the writings-

    I agree with you that not being able to determine which culprit did what would be challenge to prosecute … but it was not as insurmountable as Hunter would have us believe- The Martha moxley case teaches us that- as there was compelling evidence pointing to not only Micheal, but Tommy as well not to mention the neighbor, the tutor and even a family member— For you see its all in how the evidence played out in trial and how adept the defense is in providing reasonable doubt ie another plausible suspect… which the CA trail taught us as well

    I mean
    This is something you all here have been doing yourselves for months in this case- you bring to light certain info and ideas for plausible alternative suspects and scenarios- which goes to back up your belief that terri is innocent or Desiree is or Kaine is… and highlights the need for other suspects to be investigated- which is all highly commendable- yet not necessarily the truth of what happened – for even if it can be proven that SZ took Kyron can it be proven that Terri or kaine or Desireee or a rogue LE or Rudy or (insert other possible suspects brought forth thru discussion) was not working with aforementioned “innocent” person? Unfortunately at this time I think not.

    The grand Jury in the ramsey case teaches us that we may never know what happened behind those closed doors We may never hear all the evidence and the evidence may not be enough to prosecute but still may be pointing in only one direction… We may never know what is happening in Kyrons Grand jury- and the same may be true for the MFH plot and all other facets of this case- as again just because one person looks at the evidence ad thinks this IS no enough yet a sitting grand jury views the same evidence and deems it “enough” does not mean it will ever lead us to the right culprit or for that matter to any semblance of justice.

    AJMO
    Peace and
    thanks for always keeping the discussion going for Kyron

    1. There is no evidence that TMH was aware of recent steroid use. I only know what I wrote, and what DeDe was aware of and that stands alone. It is my personal opinion having spoken to several sources that it is possible that he was , but the only information I feel comfortable treating as verified is the past use. I also believe until it was investigated by Houze he would be concerned that she may have had some complicity if in fact it could be proven he was currently using and that she withheld that info from LE. It could be a potentially criminal matter for her just to have knowledge, and/or retain that info from LE. I have every confidence that this information will brought to bear- whatever it is, in the instant matter.

    2. I have opined that their were suspended grand juries in this case previously. However, my recent thoughts due to the Rees et al filings and the dismissal of the tort action, this is not the case. I believe the first grand jury was dismissed via a no true bill as I have written before, which then falls under the rules of dismissal to include it’s presented evidence for a second gj of the same charges when dealing with an non-custodial suspect as the target of the investigative probe.

    And then- in November of last year, a second grand jury was empaneled * important distinction here* that continues to hear evidence in the matter and may be suspended to include anything gleaned from the dissolution case. It is at this juncture that I believe all parties learned that the first grand delivered a no true bill. As I have stated previously- Staton’s comments about new investigative avenues gleaned from old info, or things they did not feel important at the time support this. It was the first and last thing he had to say on the matter in forever, and he submitted affidavits in support. There is no doubt in my mind that this had everything to do with a strategy decision to empanel a second gj, getting around the issue of reviewing evidence that failed to indict TMH the first time around. Based on my training, education and experience, Spicher would have been the caboose to that train and why her immunity deal included a polygraph they would expect her to fail.

    Let me repeat that opinion on my part emphatically. I believe they expected Spicher to fail the polygraph and subsequently present that information to the grand jury secure an indictment via a hearsay witness once her testimony was exactly the same as it had always been. In short, I believe LE was in shock when she passed it and had no flipping idea what to do next.

    It is also my understanding that no personnel from the DA’s office has requested a sting involving DeDe and/or TMH and LE has been expressly advised of same. In short, Rees is on record now and going forward that any activity that is outside scope is subject to multiple remedy possibilities and the badge is no shield for same.

    There were no used syringes in the home and I have never stated that.

    I don’t know that we can make the leap that because TMH had a cocktail while texting that has a drinking problem and her daughter/son was not present. I will leave my personal thoughts out of it except to say the desperation of that whole exchange was absolutely chilling to read.

    I can say that Kaine expressing she was drunk and passed out on the couch and then saying that he never personally witnessed any drinking or drinking problem but that friends would tell him after they had left they noticed booze missing or words to that effect is self serving clap trap. I think her DUI was a lesson to her, and I think it had everything to do with the supplements and training regimen and restrictions she CHOSE to participate in and was a very bad judgement call. He married her 2 years later. Don’t get me started on Kaine’s agenda- fueled comments about TMH.

    My comments on the equity of financial contribution and major home projects in the past stand- but I would add that TMH married him, continued in the marriage, and if she was willing to put up with that scenario then that is on her.

    For me, the commonalities on these cases with the strongest relevance are the egregious lack of LE training, supervision and coordination with the DA’s office. This is a very common problem I am learning.

    B

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