Blink On Crime Kyron Horman Investigation Exclusive: DeDe Spicher Interview Yields Allegations Of Illegal Steroid Use Terri Horman Took To Police

A Blink On Crime Exclusive: DeDe Spicher speaks for the first time about her ordeal in the Kyron Horman investigation- continued  ©

S. Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief- Blink On Crime

DeDe Spicher and Terri Moulton Horman

 

In the first part of blinkoncrime.com’s exclusive interview with DeDe Spicher,  she revealed that after over 3 years of attempting to provide Multnomah County Sheriffs Office as well as Assistant Deputy Attorney Norm Frink with the necessary information they requested to clear her from any suspicion in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Skyline second grader Kyron Horman; she has finally been cleared after passing a polygraph as part of her requirement under an immunity deal that has been sealed with the court.  Unofficially cleared, that is.

Spicher and her attorney Chad Stavley,  who have since refused all local media requests,  would very much like the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and current District Attorney Rod Underhill to clear her officially and publicly.

Spicher is adamant that law enforcement never had any reason to question her statements to them from the beginning, has cooperated fully for over three years and recently testified before the grand jury to prove she had nothing to hide.  While she would like the public to know that any assertions to the contrary are untrue, and sometimes have been offered maliciously,  her desire to speak out about her experience over the last three years is primarily to force investigative resources to review it’s progress- and hopefully adjust in a way to further leads in Kyron’s case.

As was proven not only by her recent polygraph,  but also by the verification that no evidence ever existed to support investigator’s theory in the first place,  Spicher had no information about anyone’s potential involvement in Kyron’s disappearance, let alone her own.

The continuation of our interview, which provoked some very interesting revelations long felt to be a possibility by many, was confirmed by Ms. Spicher  as she says- told to her by Terri Moulton Horman are prompting new possible theories in the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Kyron Horman.  Two days after Kyron Horman’s eleventh birthday.

Stoy: So, in your estimation then,  why do you think that detectives Herron and Kravfe were so sure that you were involved or knew who was.

Spicher:  I have thought about this a lot, and I think there were a few reasons.  I think because I was advised through a meeting Terri had with a family friend and attorney that she should assume that all of her communication was being monitored by law enforcement and anyone she had contact with.  He told her to assume the house was bugged as well as vehicles, etc.  I also believe you did an article a while back that pointed out her phone was in Kaine’s name.   As this was a day or two after she was served with the restraining order,  she was also told that

Stoy (interrupting): You bought a prepaid phone after June 28th and never had one before that?  I had read that you or someone else purchased them the day of or the day after Kyron’s disappearance.

Spicher: No.  I purchased one prepaid phone, after Terri shared the info from her meeting, in my own name, either June 29th or 30th.    I think they were hung up on the fact that I came to her aid with no contact for so long so they just were convinced there had to be.

Stoy: ok, sorry, continue.  So you are not saying that LE was suggesting that you were hiding some other number you had and that was how they were alleging that you HAD to have been in contact with Terri or some other person prior to and on June 4th and that escalated your “poi” status in your opinion?

Spicher:  They did not say that to me specifically, but what they repeated over and over again, was that Terri and I had to have had some form of communication we were hiding.  It never made any sense to me because I knew I only had my cell that I had forever until the end of June,  and I knew I had not been in contact with Terri since her 40th birthday party in March.  So I would ask- well then I guess that means that you don’t have any contacts you can’t verify from either of us so why am I even in this “interview”?

To my recollection they never shared with me or answered any of my questions in response when something they kept hounding me about seemed absurd and conflicting with their theory.

Stoy: Which was?

Spicher: At first,  I think that they really believed I was involved,  and at some point I think they were talking more “accessory after the fact” because I got the impression ( although they did not share it with me) that Terri’s cell phone activity that day was nowhere near where I was,  and my vehicle never left, nor did I.  They would not verify that they located the ceramics/glassware artist [pottery artisan] I told you about and still have not.

Stoy: So in your opinion, you were clearly the linchpin of this case,  they [LE] believed you held the key to solving it and/or implicating Terri exclusively at that point, they no longer entertained your involvement per se?

Spicher: I honestly don’t think I could say that I ever believed that they stopped treating me as some sort of suspect.  I never felt that way,  but yes, absolutely they 100% believe that Terri is responsible and I definitely believed we all had to be interviewed and scrutinized or whatever,  but I really thought up until the meeting with Norm Frink that they [LE] would abandon that theory quickly because if they were positive I was the key, and I knew I was not, that would also eliminate Terri, who I did not and do not believe, but have no proof, was involved or knew anything.

Stoy: Right, so if you had nothing, and they felt you were the only nexus, it had to mean that they had no independent evidence of anything or anyone else so they would start in another direction?

Spicher: Right, but every interaction I had with them following and including the request to participate in the sting against her, made me believe they never did.  To get back to the why question you asked me- my final thought on that is that they kept pointing out that I was the person to tell everyone not to speak to them without attorneys in the beginning.    I would ask like who do you mean,  because that would have been my opinion across the board for any situation, but it was definitely based on what was getting out about how they were going about this.  I was scared and it turned out it was good reason.   I also would point out to them that I did not think that was or should be the basis for suspicion because if it was, it seemed to me that I was told that several staff members at Skyline had hired counsel, and Kaine was the FIRST to have one between he and Terri and I had told her at least a week or so before that she should.

Stoy: Why do you think she did not immediately take your friendly advice?  Your Dad was LE, and I presume she knew that.  People can say what they want, but I know many members of law enforcement in different jurisdictions and agencies.  I have worked with them or contributed analysis to cases with them privately [I cannot and would not ever include that in anything I choose to write on] and I can tell you that I do not know one of them that if they were the focus of a criminal probe or internal investigation they absolutely do not agree to an interview without a representative.  In fact,  Herron is or was the President of Mulnomah County Police Union or was, if I recall correctly.  So to that end, I find that a pretty hypocritical reason for suspicion of anyone.

Spicher: (laughs) Interesting.  I am not sure that I knew that. The reason Terri didn’t get an atty before the RO was because she was told by LE that if she did, she wouldn’t be privvy to any of their investigative discoveries, she would be out of the loop in finding Kyron.

Stoy: Have you had a desire or opportunity to review any sort of past events regarding the MCSO, I guess I should add, that involve anyone in this case or investigation you have had contact with?

Spicher: No,  do you mean like any other detectives or that sort of thing?

Stoy: Have you ever met with or been interviewed with any other agencies or detectives?

Spicher:  I believe I either met or just said hello to the guy you mentioned in that recent article of yours while he was at the house.  Both Kaine and Terri were there at the time as well.

Stoy: Bobby O’Donnell?

Spicher: That’s it,  yes, him.  Why did you ask me if I am aware of any sort of events- should I be?

Stoy: Well, I think that tangentially if I were you I would be considering just about everything as it related to what you have been through,  and I am aware of some what I will refer to as “stuff” but what I don’t want to do prior to the completion of our interview process is temper any of your responses with anything I know peripherally if that’s ok with you.  If you wish, once I publish the continuation which will have that sort of information,  I would invite you to comment on it for the record if you choose- are you ok with that?

Spicher: yes, that’s fine and probably a good idea.

Stoy: back briefly to the “sting request against Terri- On that issue- the request they extended to you outside the presence of your attorney and that they asked you not to tell Chad, as you think back ,  considering you have had no communication with Horman for over three years did you believe they thought it would work?  What did your attorney say when you told him?

Spicher: I can’t and won’t address any conversations I have had with my attorney,  but to answer your question as to my opinion,  I really don’t know for sure, I knew that I did not, and thought it was really, really odd- that was my first reaction.  After more thought,  and other conversations,  I don’t see how they thought it would work, or why they were still seemingly convinced after I had just passed the poly, etc, Terri was still their suspect and responsible.   What is your opinion on it?

Stoy:  I think I may reserve my thoughts on that for my piece.  Again, not wanting to temper your opinions  as we move along here and I think that could happen if I did.  Is that ok with you?

Spicher: Sure, thank you.

Stoy: I would like to move on to another subject for discussion.  I would just like to confirm for the record that I have never prior to this interview, asked you any questions about your potential knowledge of steroid use by yourself, or by Terri or Kaine Horman.  Is that correct?

Spicher: Correct, ok.

Stoy: Did they ask you this?

Spicher: Who is they?  You got a lot of pronouns flying around (laughs).

Stoy: Fair point, you’re right.  The good news is, as English, or should I say proper English is my second language (laughs) I use an copy editor.  Allow me to rephrase please.  Did anyone in law enforcement at any time ask you about steroids or other illegal injectable supplements sometimes used in weight training or body building in your interviews in this case?

Spicher:  Your question was did they [le] ask me anything about steroids or anything injectable ever?

Stoy: (laughs) now who’s throwing around the pronouns?

Spicher: (laughs) touche’ .  I was asked about it very vaguely in the beginning, I told them I had never used them, that I did not believe Terri ever did because she and I had similar views against using them and while we were on different supplement regimens when I was training for a marathon in 2008 I still remembered her to be knowledgeable about legal and effective nutritional supplements. I had no reason to believe she had ever used any kind of steroids.  I can’t say conclusively she never did but it would shock me.

Stoy: Why shock you?

Spicher: Because a few years back I recall Terri telling me that Kaine was what she referred to as “juicing”  and that his behavior had become very aggressive and well,  impatient or overeactive with the kids and she had discussed it with him and he ignored her.

Stoy: So for the record, when you say juicing you are referring to illegal steroids, not my Omega specials I make, correct?  That was the only question they ever asked you and did not ask any follow up questions like how long ago, etc, etc.  And so would you characterize the way law enforcement asked that question and their reaction to your response as disinterested, or having nothing to do with the case?

Spicher: I was never asked about Kaine’s use of steroids by either detectives or the grand jury.  But yes, that is what she told me.  I actually had forgotten all about it until she refreshed my recollection when I stayed there with her.  To the best of my memory I was asked just what I said, I answered as I just said and was never asked any follow up question nor was it mentioned again to me by law enforcement .  I don’t think I ever really understood what they did or did not think in terms of my information was important to the case,  but yes,  they were disinterested from my perspective as to it was the only time I was ever asked about it over the course of three and a half years and so my assumption is they still are.  But that is my assumption.

Stoy:  Understood, you are referring to the time you stayed at the Horman home late June 2010 through early July 2010 following Kaine’s  service of the restraining order and her exclusive use of the home?  Spicher:  I am not sure about the exclusive use part,  I didn’t really know anything about how that sort of thing worked and I think for some reason I want to say Terri was not allowed to show anyone.

Stoy: Ok.  Tell me everything you know about that. But, I would like you to see if you can provide me your recollection from what you were told about steroid use PRIOR to your conversations about it that refreshed your memory.  By the way, who else knows about this, if you know.

Spicher: Terri’s attorney Stephen Houze.

Stoy:  How would you know that?

Spicher: Because I helped her load them up, what appeared to me to be syringes in a box and deliver it to her attorney’s office, she said, at his request.   She also located some cancelled checks for what she said was Kaine’s payment for steroids.  I don’t remember who they were made out to but it was not to cash.

Stoy: ok,  understood,  we will get back to that.  I want to try and focus on what she told you those “few years back.”  Do you recall what year, even ballpark.

Spicher:  I want to say, but can’t be sure, it was after her competition in 2005,  and I am tempted to say it was around the time they got married or shortly thereafter- I am just not going to be much help in remembering this if you are asking me to extract what I remembered from then on my own.

Stoy: Nope, that’s what I am asking, your fine,  I don’t want to lead you but let me ask you a few things that may help.  Do you remember where you were during the conversation.

Spicher: I remember it was either the one and only time I ever had lunch with Terri, or it was during a time she called my cell,  Terri had a lot of drama,  and so I was in a Home & Garden Show class and I recall I was saying things out loud to let he know I was not free to talk really or respond as she was talking, so I was saying things like… I don’t know,  we should probably touch base on that when I am done here, or sounds good that we chat on it later.

Stoy: The brush up the other party is not getting, like that?

Spicher:  Yes, she was not getting it and so I was kind of 50% paying attention.  It was either during that call or at the lunch.  Other than that, I am not remembering the timing so well.

Stoy: But you would say a few years before Kyron went missing so based on that 2007 or 2008? Do you remember if they were married at the time?

Spicher: Again, we were friends for a good number of years but not close friends, I almost felt like if she was calling me or talking to me about it she had no other option at the time.

Stoy: Got it.  What did she say

Spicher:  She said that Kaine had been aggressive with her and impatient with the children and she attributed that to his “juicing”.  She confronted him and she felt he did not listen to her.  She told me that she then called a detective and turned in Kaine’s seller.  The member at the gym, I used to know the name but I really can’t recall because I was in the early morning crowd and this guy was more afternoon, I presume when they were there or they saw him.  I had stopped going to the same gym as them ater the first year or two I met them there.

Stoy: So she called a detective to turn in the seller Kaine was buying steroids from?  Wasn’t she concerned about the fact that buying them is also illegal and that Kaine could face charges?

SPicher: She told me that she contacted a detective and said she would be willing to turn over information about someone selling steroids but only if she could do so anonymously and without saying who was buying them, etc.

Stoy: So it was your understanding that she was trying to work out a scenario that would stop Kaine’s use without him ever knowing it was her by turning in that person?  Sort of like…  she gets approval to remain anonymous,  she gives the tip and then one day comes home and says… “Hey honey, guess what I heard at the gym.. you better stop that or you could be arrested for it, etc?

Spicher: Yes, something like that.  Except and again,  we have discussed it at one or both these occasions, but that did not work out.  The detective called her again directly and she was upset that there was further contact.  From what I recall,  I think that was the tone of what she was telling me.

Stoy: Understood,  so you are thinking that it may have been why she was sort of wired about it and not hearing you try to go about your day,  but insisting and venting like she was upset by it.

Spicher: Yes,  I think so.

Stoy: Do you think she could have called you because your Dad was law enforcement and she might need that sort of advice.  I don’t think so because she did not ask for any.  So then what?  Did Kaine find out?

Spicher: I just remember there was some sort of investigation of the guy,  and I really don’t know if Kaine ever found out about it or knows to this day.   If the seller or anyone was arrested or anything else at the time I do not remember,  that was how much I paid attention to it then until Terri reminded me of it.

Stoy: Ok.  Now, why is it that Terri was discussing it with you when you were staying at the house with her in your view?

Spicher:    Because after the restraining order was served and I guess she realized where Kaine was headed,  it was sort of like- if he was going to badmouth her, in her estimation it was false, but anyway, that Kaine had skeletons in his own closet sort of thing.   She told her lawyer [Houze] and she said he instructed her to bring the syringes and the cancelled checks to his office.   We did.

Stoy: So was Terri saying that Kaine was using steroids behind her back and she found this or that she knew and was having sort of the same reaction as last time, or she just learned once he was out of the home or what?  Was she suggesting this to you like it had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher:  I got the impression she did not know, or at least did not know when the last time he was using them was, but it gets fuzzy for me there because it is my belief up until the time the RO was served,  in my opinion she would have tried to protect Kaine from le finding out so I don’t know if she told le,  but it would surprise me.  Terri was always very family centric.  She would protect her family unit, and that is why she did the turning in thing,  this would seem the same to me until he made those murder for hire allegations.

Stoy: So did you get the impression from her that she thought that her allegation of Kaine’s steroid use had anything to do with Kyron’s disappearance?

Spicher: No, not at all.

Stoy: Nothing like, maybe this happened as some sort of retribution against her for turning someone in previously or against Kaine if they thought he was involved because after all she says he was the one buying it back then?

Spicher: No, she told me she had no idea who was responsible for Kyron’s disappearance or why, and the only possibility she came up with after the fact because of his past behavior and the fact that he showed up at her door demanding $10,000 she had no idea what he was talking about, that it was the landscaper.   He was the only person acting like a criminal at the time.

Stoy: Have you ever seen a text of hers involving the custody situation after the fact, after the Rudy Sanchez Estrada “sting”  and she called police twice that day/evening that ended with “mark 1 for the FBI.”

Spicher: I may have, if I did I don’t remember it specifically.

Stoy: She specifically said the FBI,  who has only ever assisted in this case, and who has no jurisdictional presence in Kyron’s case, I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on that.

Spicher: No, I don’t have any idea what she meant.

Is it possible that illegal steroid use or sales and the recent public outing there was an ongoing Federal Investigation with the emphasis on police and gym members that included persons familiar to the Horman’s  contributed to the circumstances involving the disappearance of Kyron Horman?

Has it been excluded by having more law enforcement investigating themselves?

 

Roid Rumors and Boys In Blue.. Coincidence Or Clue?

It is no secret that Oregon has seen it’s share of corruption allegations in recent years.  The very public and very disturbing account of it’s Governor Neil Goldschmidt’s involvement with a 14 year old girl earned Willamette Week’s Nigel Jaquiss a Pulitzer in 2005 for breaking the story a year earlier.  As a strong argument for the trickle down effect,  Goldschmidt’s former driver Bernie Giusto- who became the Multnomah County Sheriff following the debacle,  was forced to resign his position when a State agency declared they would be removing his police certifications due to his lack of “moral fitness” outlined in the now infamous Giusto Report.   A former Sheriff,   Bob Skipper, was then appointed to take his place, but after two attempts could not pass the required certifications.  The current Multnomah Sheriff Dan Staton, who has since won an election, was appointed in his place.  Several current MCSO officers assigned to Kyron’s case were interviewed for the Giusto report.

In fact,  Bobby O’Donnell was the lead investigator in Kyron’s case for the first 18 months who according to his own words in his interview was the unfortunate subject of an allegation involving his own very messy divorce.

MCSO Sgt Brett Ritchie stated in a police interview that O’Donnell was seen waving a gun and threatening his life [Ritchie] after he began dating O’Donnell’s ex wife. Laura O’Donnell was granted a restraining order against him that later became an agreement between the couple.

The lead investigator in the case of a missing child openly threatened a ranking officer and that incident was never investigated outside of Ritchie being told to stay away from O’Donnell.   O’Donnell’s deposition and his motion to quash it are the subject of a hearing scheduled for Friday September 13, 2013.

There is no question the agency tasked with the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman has had several and more recent embarrassing entanglements.

In another investigative piece by the Willamette Week,  it exposes the egregious overtime paychecks that members of the prosecutors and investigators assigned to Kyron’s case have received during the early months following Kyron’s disappearance.

It is unclear how Multnomah County ever had jurisdiction in the investigation of Kyron’s disappearance. According to the Skyline School’s filed safety and response plan,  the Portland Police Bureau is the agency of record.

Multnomah County’s former woes might have paled a bit in comparison if only by the difference a year makes to public memory, to that of their fellow neighboring officers in Canby, located in Clackamas County.

After several investigations into the selling and possible use of anabolic steroids  a Canby Police officer, which were repeatedly stalled due to his caption  tipping other’s off  in the alleged ring ,  Officer Jason Deason was arrested along with Canby Landscape Supply Owner William Traverso,  Brian Casey Paul Jackson were arrested.  The investigation was believed to be ongoing and Traverso, Deason and Jackson all cut deals for quick prison stints that shocked fellow officers and the public alike.   The specifics of which were sealed by the court.  It is now known that the Federal Bureau of Investigation continued to require the ongoing cooperation of it’s criminals turned informants to pursue federal indictments against possible targets in law enforcement and members of the bodybuilding set- to include acquaintances of Kaine and Terri Horman.

Presuming the confirmed allegations are true- is it possible that ‘a few years back’ Terri Horman unwittingly set off a state turned Federal investigation into the buying, using and selling of human growth hormone and anabolic steroids?  How could this be connected, if it is, to the timing of Kyron’s disappearance even if she had?

“… Jackson,   through a plea deal on state charges in 2009 where he admitted to selling anabolic steroids to Canby police officers in uniform, had been working with the FBI on an ongoing investigation when they confronted him with the knowledge that he was found deceptive on a polygraph designed to indicate if Jackson’s participation was far more extensive then he originally admitted to…”

“…Jackson, with his attorney, began cooperating with federal authorities shortly after his arrest.  He identified his source for steroids as Vancouver resident Rainbow “Bo” Wild Keepers, 39, a competitive bodybuilder and photographer. Agents ran Keepers’ name in federal databases and discovered that an Arizona man had tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration years ago that Keepers was his source of steroids. Keepers was never charged…”

 On June 3rd, 2010,  approximately 24 hours before Kyron Horman’s disappearance,  Jackson was arrested on a Federal warrant following a sealed indictment issued the day before after failing a polygraph and refusing to help the FBI further.

From the Indictment:

Between June 2, 2005 and May 2008, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials B.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury,  in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

It has since been revealed that the initials BW stand for Bradley Worden.  Worden owns a few businesses, all relating to wholesale gym equipment or nutritional products.  Worden has never been charged.

 Between June 2006 and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute human growth hormone for use in a human, to a person with the initials N.W., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sction 333(e)(l).

 

The identity of the person with initials NW is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and December 2007,: in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule illcontrolled substances, to a person with the initials G.P., whose full name is known to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and

841(b)( 1)(E).

 

The identity of the person with the initials G.P is unknown.

 

Between June 2, 2005, and June 2007, in the District of Oregon, BRIAN CASEY PAUL JACKSON, defendant herein, did knowingly and unlawfully distribute anabolic steroids, Schedule III controlled substances, to a person with the initials S.B., whose full name is known  to the grand jury, in violation of Title 21, United States Code, Sections 84l(a)(l) and 84l(b)(1)(E).

 

The initials S.B. refer to Steve Beaudoin,  a former work associate of Jackson’s and current Oregon State safety officer.

 

According to assistant U.S. Attorney Jane Shoemaker, Jackson sold Beaudoin at least 50 pills of the steroid Winstrol, an injectable steroid called Deca Durabolin, Sustanon and, in June 2007, 100 pills of Anavar on one to two occasions. Shoemaker also said Jackson sold Beaudoin $500 worth of human growth hormone. Investigators discovered the sales through witness interviews and Jackson’s computer records, Shoemaker said.

 

 

From Buff To Puff

 

In contrast to Jackson,  although Traverso also sold to Deason and other members of law enforcement,  William ‘Jake’ Traverso, a former competitive bodybuilder and “Mr. Oregon”  cooperated extensively with the FBI by identifying other law enforcement officers he sold steroids to, and got a lenient sentence of 15 days in jail, 30 days home detention and 24 months probation, with no federal charges.

In a letter submitted to a Clackamas County judge Monday, FBI Special Agent Christopher Frazier said that Traverso has discussed his drug distribution activities in detail. “The public safety employees identified by Traverso included law enforcement officers, corrections officers, fire and rescue personnel and university public safety officers,” Frazier wrote,  “Several spin-off FBI public corruption investigations were initiated as a result of these allegations, and are ongoing.”

 

Traverso, Deason and Jackson were cooperating with the Feds simultaneously, and in a very public way.  Although Deason had been similarly employed by the Canby Police under Chief Greg Kroeplin, at least one of the raids on Traverso- Deason’s client,  was by Deason’s Canby fellow officer James Murphy.

 

John Hingson, Traverso’s attorney and past commentator on the Horman case,  sparred with then ADA Norm Frink as well.  Hingson unearthed the report that included Murphy had been demoted following Deason’s arrest and his credibility was called into question.  Murphy worked the graveyard shift with Deason.  The report also revealed that both Deason and Officer James Murphy, who was one of the few to initiate an investigation into Deason’s steroid abuse, were put at risk when they were scheduled to work side by side as the only two officers on that shift.

“…Hingson obtained a 2009 report written by private detectives the City of Canby had hired to investigate the steroid scandal. Among their findings: Murphy had been demoted from detective to officer for alleged dishonesty…”

Chief GregKroeplin resigned prior to release of a scorching memo outlining the city’s findings they had outsourced properly to two retired Oregon detectives, which would have resulted in his termination.

Murphy, still employed by Canby Police, is apparently looking to renew the agencies stint for bad press.

 

On October 13, 2011, six months after former Willamette Week journalist James Pitkin featured his Lord of The Flies article outlining Murphy’s internal investigation led to his demotion for dishonestly, he arrested a freelance sports reporter while taking pictures of him exiting the Canby Police Headquarters on duty and entering his personal vehicle.

Andrew Millbrooke  filed a Federal lawsuit in 2012 against The City of Canby,  Officer James Murphy and his captain Bret Smith  for excessive force and wrongful arrest which took place after Murphy used his cruiser to follow Millbrooke who was on foot.   In a police report from another officer in the case, Millbrooke tells him he is a freelance journalist trying to expose corruption and drug use by Officer Murphy.  The suit is pending.  A review of the declarations by both Mr. Smith and Mr. Murphy do not include the details of the investigative report commissioned by The City Of Canby discussing Mr. Murphy’s prior demotion.  Mr. Murphy also had a recent court decision regarding improper procedure [See Bonneau].

 

With pending motions to release the employment files of some Canby police officers to include Murphy, the charges against  Traverso were dismissed  this past May due the state delaying the case over 23 months.

Traverso, Deason and Jackson are all currently on probation.  Traverso is awaiting trial on recent charges involving watermelon theft.

As the Federal Bureau of Investigation is listed as an investigative partner to MCSO in the Kyron Horman investigation, it is their policy not to release files where they are not the lead agency of record or during an ongoing criminal investigation .

Requests for comment from Kaine Horman through his attorney Brett Engel regarding the allegations that he has either purchased or sold  illegal steroids have not been returned at the time of this publication.

However, in an article published to include a quote from Kaine Horman it seems that Kaine confirms Ms. Spicher’s assertion that Terri Horman did not use illegal steroids,  but rather nutritional supplements and had moved past those very quickly after her bodybuilding competition.

“…Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

“She’s not eating a lot of food, she’s exercising twice a day, she’s up at 4 o’clock in the morning, she’s not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her,” he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said.

At the end of April, with her muscles bulked up and skin glistening with a bronze tan, she competed in the Emerald Cup bodybuilding competition in Bellevue, Wash…”

S.Christina Stoy, Editor In Chief, www.blinkoncrime.com was able to independently confirm Ms. Spicher’s account of alleged steroid use and ensuing investigation of a gym member as told to her by Terri Horman.

The source,  an associate of Terri Horman, DeDe Spicher and Kaine Horman who declined to be identified, went on to say that at the time it was “… really common knowledge who was using steroids and who was selling them…”   “… was not aware previously that Terri Horman claimed to have instigated contact with law enforcement to turn in the seller…”  The source declined to identify the seller and could not say for certain if he was charged and likely would not away- given the request not to disclose the source’s name on the record.

Reached for comment,  Terri Moulton Horman Attorney Stephen Houze declined to comment based on his policy of not speaking publicly when a client has pending legal matters.

A request for comment to Mr. Bunch,  Terri Horman’s divorce attorney has not been returned by the time of this publication.

 

More Questions Than Answers..

Following several hours of interviews with  DeDe Spicher, the woman who was not a close friend to Terri Horman but ultimately was the closest to her in the early days of the investigation- are we left with more questions than answers about what could have happened to the little boy whose 11th birthday was 2 days ago?

Spicher concedes that anything she discussed as told to her by Terri Horman in some minor instances may only be verifiable by Horman herself- and she is not talking… Yet.

She also points out that ultimately everything she told me she shared with investigators as far as “truthfulness” was confirmed by a polygraph – to include the question “Was she withholding any information from investigators?”

She was not.

Although limited, Spicher’s accounts in many instances confirm sparse information heard early on from Terri herself.  Not the least of which was that although widely criticized for not speaking out publicly, she was told by investigators not to under any circumstances- and when she broached the possibility of retaining counsel was told that she would then be cut off from any information as to the investigation process to find Kyron Horman.

Through Spicher,  Horman also confirmed that out of concern for Horman’s “spacieness”  which she defined by walking into a room and staring off, not remembering, etc,  Terri Horman called his pediatrition Thursday June 3rd and made an appointment for Friday June 11th.  His last day of school. Horman also told Spicher that Kyron had wondered off or got lost while in his teacher Ms. Porter’s care once before when following a fellow student out of class.

Initially, prior to learning Kyron had been marked absent not very long after she left the building, that was Horman’s first thought.  Those hopes grew into panic with that revelation that he had been missing for hours.

 

Spicher says Terri was adamant that she never had a sexual relationship with the now infamous landscaper Rudy Sanchez Estrada  Spicher agrees that her friend had the propensity to be flirtatious but she never knew her to be sexually promiscuous.  Outside of the fact that she says at Kaine’s request to occasionally include an additional female in the bedroom,  to which Spicher declined, she was not aware that the Horman’s had a swinger lifestyle.

To her knowledge,  there were other women that were asked to participate in a threesome with the couple that did not say no some years ago, but had no current knowledge and she herself was never involved with Horman sexually.

In her take, the addition of a 3rd female was an expression of control on Kaine’s part in the relationship.

 

Terri explained the landscapers “sexual accosting” , previously reported exclusively by www.blinkoncrime this way:

“… She said she had Kitty on her hip and he came up behind her and was kissing her neck and put his arm around her and when she verbally resisted with concern that Kitty was in her arms he sort of grabbed her and she spun around and broke free…”

 

Spicher adds that on more than one occasion she tried to bring that up during meetings with DA Norm Frink and investigators.  One one occasion, as suggested by her Father, a former Klamath County Marine Officer,  at their own expense  The Klamath County Sheriff and his first lieutenant had  agreed to meet with Frink, Spicher and her father on DeDe’s behalf to sort of provide character backgrounds and family history he felt would be helpful in clearing her.

“…  This came up in the first interview I had with Mr Frink and I told him she had made that call. Later in the interview when he was trying to push more of my buttons, he tells me that call never happened (implying Terri had lied to me). I told him okay, that’s what you’re telling me, but I recall it differently (implying he was lying to me right then). He got very angry about that and insisted it was “fact”. I said okay, whatever. Much later, like one of the last times I met with Mr Frink, the Klamath County Sheriff and his 1st Lieutenant flew up on their own dime to meet with Mr Frink & Keith Krafve to see if they could help by offering their opinion of my character, and that it didn’t seem unusual to them at all that I would go help Terri, that it is very consistent with how my family has always been. At that meeting, I retold the story of Rudy sexually accosting Terri (her words), but said I wasn’t sure about the 911 call. That totally infuriated Mr Frink. I told him I was trying to believe him and simply not certain about what I could remember on that point.

 

The DAs office behaved very strangely toward the Klamath Co Sheriff and his Lt. They tried everything they could to keep us separated and even insisted that they (the DAs office) drive them back to the airport, despite the fine fact that we (Dad & I) had picked them up and brought them in, and would definitely be seeing them again in the near future. It was just weird, to all of us…”

 

I asked DeDe if she used the term called 911 in every exchange.  She had.  I asked her if she got the impression that the reason Frink was so sure it never happened was because there was no 911 call on the record about it – could it be that maybe she reached out to that former law enforcement person she contacted on the steroid issue and it was actually a dispatch call versus a trackable 911 call issue.

Spicher says she got the impression that Frink was suggesting that the “accosting” as described by her friend did not happen, but could not be sure except to say that Frink seemed to become irate when she brought it up on every occasion.  Spicher felt Sanchez Estrada was the only person behaving like a criminal and that supported the accounts she was given.

I asked DeDe if Terri mentioned ever paying Sanchez Estrada for work at the Horman home.  She said she did not recall Terri ever saying anything other than she had no idea what he was talking about when he came to the door and asked for $10,000 so she slammed the door in his face and called 911.

Stoy: So did she think it was some sort of extortion attempt now that she had mentioned him to investigators and they told her that they had interviewed him?

Spicher: She thought that he was dangerous from her past experience.

Stoy: Did you think it was odd that with a brand new John Deere tractor parked outside that TH was hiring a landscaper?  I was able to confirm through other sources that he cleared some blackberry or blueberry bushes similar to Ms. Von Klevelen,  and the tractor does not have a UCC lien on it, meaning it was not financed.

Spicher:  No, it wasn’t.  Kaine bought it.  It was Terri’s job to manage the inside of the house as well as the entire property.   I knew that when Kaine would travel he would come up with this project lists for her to complete by the time he got home.  I  mean, like cleaning the gutters,  cutting the grass, washing all the windows, that sort of thing.  To the best of my recollection Terri and Kaine did not have bank accounts together- he controlled everything he made.

Stoy: With a baby,  7 year old and teenager and hubby out of town? How was she managing that?  No wonder he was suggesting that she was pouring through money like water or something like that, she was probably hiring help.  I am not even sure I think a woman by herself at that property with a baby should be on the roof by herself anyway.

Spicher:  No,  Terri  had to pay any support money or whatever to the household expenses and I have surmised Kaine gave her some sort of allowance which she probably blew through pretty quickly on frivolous things like food and clothes for her children.  I have never known Terri to be frivolous with money.  I know of at least two times when the projects she was supposed to accomplish were impossible for her to manage.  One was the windows so I believe she hired someone that time and as I recall her parents paid for that.  I believe the other was the landscaper.

Stoy: Is it a fair question for me to ask how you feel about Kaine, from your tone I am sensing you are not a fan.

Spicher: I have tremendous compassion for Kaine- he lost his child- what can one even say about that?  But no, he is not someone I would want to be friends with today and I was cordial to him whenever I was around him but he was very controlling and was pretty mean to Terri about her weight from Kitty, things like that- I am not going to have anything in common with that.

Stoy:  Did Terri ever mention anything about conflicts with Desiree Young, whether they were between her and she or Kaine and Desiree?

Spicher: Not that I recall, but I also never heard her speak of Desiree negatively at any time previously or when I stayed with her [Terri].

Stoy: That is saying a lot because right after the sting Ms. Young was pretty accusatory pretty quickly- and I do note that was based on information from law enforcement.  Similar to some of the things both she and Kaine said publicly about you.  Are you angry about that?

Spicher:  O my no.  That poor woman is going through hell and acted on information that I was told, lie or not, was given to her and Kaine.  I have nothing but compassion for her and I wish I could shoulder some of her pain because I can..   I have nothing but compassion for all of Kyron’s parents and any anger I have over how I was treated, what I went through would never be directed at them.   I really pray that Kyron will be found,  I choose to put my energy into hope for that.

Pending Matters

Through Attorney Bunch,  Terri Horman makes the claim that both law enforcement and Kaine Horman have been perpetrating the dissemination of inaccurate information involving the circumstances of Kyron Horman’s disappearance.

In a recent filing, set for hearing this Friday,  Bunch pens a scathing reply to Deputy O’Donnell’s motion to quash, and accuses the county of improper ex parte communication.

Early this afternoon,  a source within the Multnomah County Courthouse speaking on the condition of anonymity has confirmed that on behalf of Multnomah County, a motion has been filed to limit certain documents or discoverable information related to Mr. Horman and Bobby O’Donnell of the MCSO.

A hearing is scheduled before Judge Kantor for this Friday September 13, 2013

 

 

Jacqueline Beaufort,  Ellie Sanders – research and contributing editors to this article.

Jason Mateos- contributing editor, copy.

 

 

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4,398 Comments

  1. SouthernMom says:

    ughhh! There are a kajilion scenarios possible. Could TMH have been “lying” in polys pertaining to her involvement in reporting the roids issue? Does Kaine really believe TMH was involved or have knowledge? I’m not so sure he is sure anymore!

    NOW…IMO the MFH is bogus from get go! I didn’t always believe this, but with the snafu’s and mishandling by LE in all aspects of this case, I question the MFH allegation to the nth degree!

    Put up or shutup time…fo’ sho’!!!

    Prayers for Kyron and his family.

  2. erose says:

    @Rose, You have probably already seen this, but this is as close to a bio on Engel I can get. The stand out is in the “see more” wrt education. Governor’s Academy aka Governor Dummer Academy, private schooing on East coast. Then, looks like a three year gap from law school to career, and then followed or lead Gearing & Rackner thereafter.

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/brett-engel/4/377/120

  3. erose says:

    Same news, stronger wording.

    Attorney: Terri Horman wasn’t last person to see Kyron

    Still, Houze wants to go even further. Next week, he wants to depose witnesses from Fred Meyer, Terri Horman’s gym and students from Skyline School who he claims will say she was not the last person to see Kyron.

    http://www.kptv.com/story/23425918/attorney-terri-horman-wasnt-last-person-to-see-kyron-horman-at-school

  4. erose says:

    Still Missing: Where is 7-Year-Old Kyron?
    In 2010, the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman grabbed headlines across the nation. Now, more than three years later, the case remains unsolved. Kyron’s divorced parents, Kaine and Desiree, have long been suspicious of his stepmother, Terri, who was the last known person to see Kyron alive. But she’s never been named a suspect or a person of interest by police. Shortly after Kyron’s disappearance and new allegations about Terri arose, Kaine and Desiree presented a united front with the goal of finding their son. But just a few months later, the two stopped communicating. In an exclusive interview, the parents reunite for the first time on Dr. Phil’s stage. Hear why Desiree and Kaine say they believe Terri may know more than she’s admitting. What do they think may have happened to Kyron — and why? And, are the parents willing to put aside past differences and work together again? Plus, Pastor Angel Arroyo assisted in the search for three young women who were found in Ohio nearly a decade after they vanished. He has a message of hope for Kyron’s parents — and the parents of other missing children.

    http://www.drphil.com/shows/

  5. erose says:

    “other citizens”…just like Blink said.

    The motion further states that Terri will not seek “protected investigatory information” during O’Donnell’s deposition, because that would be “unlawful and unethical,” but only voluntary statements that he made to Kaine and other “citizens” regarding “the facts of their investigation.”

    http://www.koin.com/2013/09/13/hearing-over-horman-divorce-proceedings/

  6. Rose says:

    Well, Blink. Might’ve been worth going on Phil to get a makeover with that gorgeous an outcome.
    I’m assuming his staff provided/arranged it for her as part of the package.
    Interesting show’s already filmed & in the can.
    Knowing advance filming scheduling, no doubt this program was laid out awhile ago, last summer
    if not Spring.
    Must’ve been set up before 1st DDS piece, with a tag on offer to her.
    Someone has a connected PR person. My guess is Bruce, the search coordinator, of KlaasKids,
    who emphasizesconnecting parents to media, set this up for them,
    selling it to them as keeping Kyron’s face out there. I don’t buy it; it’s
    destructive. Ya’ll can give me a report.

    It was absolutely based on my first interview piece and requests for interview guests were received the next day- I can’t speak for DY or KH, but I doubt it. But to your point typically these things are scheduled by Spring/Summer but Dr. Phil is generally shorter on the budge side and instead of the typical 90 days it is more like 45.

    I could be wrong, but I do not believe either party knew the other was invited or the format of same until they hit the green room- not even in “pre”. I am prolly due for a free makeover, LOL.

    B

  7. Rose says:

    @Eloise. Iirc one article said he had a
    previous trucking job hauling watermelons
    from Calif so it was something he knew how to do.

  8. Sunshine_4me says:

    Wow. Just watched the preview clip for Dr Phil show Tuesday. DY is on the left and KY is on the right chair. It stops short of Dr Phil asking what happened the night before Kyron went missing…. I certainly hope from Blinks recent story and now national talk show something will change this cases path.

  9. Rose says:

    for shorthand, in future I’ll refer to deputies Krafve, O’Donnell, Herron as 3-FGs (3 fall guys).
    Yes, TRuth, Lee was original detective.
    (aside, anyone remember name of the deputy resident watcher in the home initially?)

    Operating from memory, therefore subject to error, it’s been url’d to death here twice by me early in 2013, then once in 2012 or 2011 before that, I proposed O’Donnell had been working for 5 years detailed to the Portland PB Child Abuse Unit when he was pulled in before the Sting, making him well-known as a work partner to the ADAs putting in all that overtime on the time/pay sheets that first summer. Both Moawad & her Supervisor, Rees’ then peer & the head of the DA’s Child Abuse section (as well as other sections) were assigned to the Child Abuse team. So imo they knew & trusted O’Donnell from mcso based on prior casework together where family Court testimony by an Officer is often required. Don’t hear anything from Rees’ former office peer supervisor who billed all that overtime any more, and Moawad has promoted to greener political pastures, but still a pasture.

    Since he had a 5 year history of working cases in Portland with these DAs, I happen to believe the mfh & Sting scam was directed or authorized by the DAs. Of course with their records, Staton must’ve jumped for joy at assigning Krafve & O’Donnell because they could be hung out to dry at any time. Putting the Union Pres on the job, with his long history of representing his uniformed brothers subject to accusations, was a way of tefloning himself & the investigation.

    @grasshopper. Do you remember exactly what confidentiality O’Donnell was “not authorized” to break?
    the underlying “confidence” is the heart of the custody matter, the thing that got Kaine the child from Meisenheimer.
    Therefore, imo, O’Donnell (or some officer, say of the Court) shared that same confidence from mcso with Rackner & Meisenheimer firsthand if only orally. So another way at the “confidence” is to depose Meisenheimer and Rackner.

    As far as “the night before” — comment by Phil. It sounds like 3 years ago mcso was sharing different “confidences” as needed with each spouse to fit their psychologies and motivations, what they’d bite at, playing them off. No reason for the public to believe any of these deputy-distributed stories is truthful.

  10. Rose says:

    this is reminding me of complexfinancial crimes cases, or mob criminal cases.
    To get at the underlying “confidence,” you have to break the conspiracy with just one person.
    Imo, O’Donell should simultaneously hire Snavely (or any criminal attorney),
    submit his retirement papers, and the minute retirement is stamped approved,
    walk into Houze’ office & say “Depose me.”
    as an inducement to remain in the conspiracy,
    he should’ve been promoted, not demoted.

  11. Rose says:

    http://mcda.us/index.php/about-the-da/departments/
    MCDA personnel chart

    time sheets (acknowledgement, Bernstein article link)
    http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/dacosts.pdf

    The 1st 18 days, Underhill & Frink were equally heavy billers (c 7,200), Moawad billed as the heaviest ADA lifter just as the Gov’s press release on hiring her mentioned. Her immediate Supv, Rees’ Supervisory line level peer, C Woods, also billed almost as heavily as Moawad’s. From the looks of the hours worked, Underhill & Frink were pretty being being jointly directly reported to.

    That workload picture changed just before and during The Sting. In the the 7 day period beginning June 23 (Sting was June 26), Frink’s work hour rate remained about the same (the nos. compare 18 day & 7 day periods). Underhill and Moawad almost double. their work hours. Moawad’s Senior Supervisor drops out of billing entirely as does her counterpart Rees. The bottom also falls out if Demer’s billing.

    So it looks like “The Sting” and “the RO” were closely held in tge DA’s office, with Moawad & “the investigator” reporting directly to Underhill (after all, her Supv billed zero). But, then direct reporting seems to be OK in Multnomah County, mgmt-wise. Note urls previously on here put Moawad working at the time in the Child Abuse Unit under Woods.

    Rees, missing in action in June 2010, can truthfully aver in Court imo he lacked knowledge of the “confidence” and the investigation at that time per the billing records. However, by these records only, and the sudden almost doubling in overtime time that week, Underhill and Moawad had the least clean hands on staff. Now she is working under the Gov’s personal wing in Salem, and her Dad is a popular longtime State legislator, so who will the “confidence” most likely boomerang on?

    The only way out for Underhill & Kaine is a true bill from the GJ imo. And that is why Rees is involved, not Woods. Grand juries (see the Org chart) are his Office portfolio. Imo that was the reason for the 6 month stall. That is the reason Houze is out swinging now. But, imo they’ll get that indictment; Underhill’s career depends on it.

    the “Sting” and Kaine’s departure=June 26. (therefore,
    the interviewing & prep of Rudy & team, as well as prep of Kaine &
    attorney. occurred inthe days just before.)
    ——
    p7 2009
    Bob O’Donnell PPB’s Child Abuse Team
    http://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/article/346238

    I put this here ages ago.
    extremely enlightening slides re local Detective interview methods — O’Donnell among those officers acknowledged as expert officer contributors on p 34.
    https://www.preventchildabuseutah.org/conference/jensen/WhatSexOffendersCanTeachUs.pdf
    Say, maybe based on his SO work experience, he came to disagree with the Underhill team assessment & methodology of Kaine & Terri, and that’s why he got pulled from the case & figuratively demoted.

  12. Rose says:

    Phil has clip of DY referring to a major “fight” the night before on June 3.
    Previously she’s said TH was motivated to harm Kyr because she was
    “very angry” on June 4. also has said TH blamed Kyr for marital conflict.
    So wrestling mentally with what could have triggered the “big fight”
    and involved Kyron, my lightbulb says TH made the Drs’ appointment
    June 3 and doubtless told Kaine that night. A fight involving Kyron would likely have been
    related to his castigating her for either making the Drs apptmt, or for the Sci Fair workload, and KH has
    said he was proud of the project, so I think the Drs apptmt caused the major
    fight DY refers to.

    I do not see this planned abduction being organized
    by an angry Terri & a male accomplice in less than
    14 hours. So who in the investigation gave DY this
    investigatory confidence? Moreover, how did LE learn it in the
    first place? Only source could’ve been Kaine outlining
    his TH motivation ideas to his debriefer.

  13. sunshine_4me says:

    I really hope Dr Phil asks KH about him not allowing TH to see her daughter. I can’t see him avoiding that topic and the impact KH has now placed on baby K’s well being denying such visitation. I can see him now expressing his concern for any children within KH’s custody; creating a 2nd child who now can’t see their mother. I just got a chill typing that last statement. KH’s 2 kids, and neither can see their bio-mother; or on flip side, neither ex of KH can see their child fathered by KH.

  14. Rose says:

    http://www.drphil.com/shows/
    has placed on his preview site this script:

    ” Kyron’s divorced parents, Kaine and Desiree,
    have long been suspicious of his stepmother,
    Terri, who was the last known person to see Kyron alive.”

    Who disseminated this incorrect information to Phil,
    who has now disseminated it nationally?
    Two source options.

    Bunch should’ve submitted a screenshot as an exhibit.

  15. Idahogal says:

    Hello Blink and all -

    God bless you,Blink and DeDe, for bringing the truth to light and IMHO, moving this case forward. All that EVER should have mattered to anyone was Kyron and finding him. What we seem to have is a very ugly, heinous hiding of facts and information on the part of LE and the DA. I am disgusted once again, beyond words, with Multnomah County in it’s entirety.

    I am praying that this will finally tip the scales and bring all the dirty little secrets to light. This “ongoing investigation” I keep hearing about is a freaking COLD CASE,so eff that excuse. It is beyond time that the public knows WTH has been going on here. I truly feel that Blink and all the good people here have had a hand in this investigationa and moving it forward to this point.

    Love, prayers & hope for Kyron today and always.

  16. Idahogal says:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09/lawyers_to_argue_over_what_inf.html

    You have all of this I’m sure, just pedaling as fast as I can and trying to share whatever I can. No need to publish per se, go Blink, I love ya’!

  17. lyla says:

    This is a new development??? Where in the “H” have I been? The case is turning into a soap opera and we still have “little boy lost”. (:

    “The hearing also included some new developments in the case, including a claim by Terri Horman’s lawyer that the boy’s stepmother wasn’t the last one to see Kyron the day he disappeared.”

    http://www.kgw.com/news/Divorce-hearing-underway-for-missing-Portland-boy-Kyron-Hormans-father-and-stepmother-223645221.html

  18. T. Ruth says:

    @Amy’s sis:

    Having not been in the courtroom, maybe grasshopper will be able to tell us, but I based my comment of Terri proclaiming her innocence on this comment by Kaine Horman’s attorney, where Mr. Engel claims they did. Terri is talking through her attorneys, as is Kaine.

    Kaine Horman’s lawyer, Bret Engel, accused Terri Horman’s lawyers of “grandstanding and rhetoric.”

    “All they’re interested in doing is appearing in front of these cameras and proclaiming her innocence,” Engel said.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/09

    /judge_to_rule_by_monday_on_wha.html#incart_river_default

    Im guessing Kaine told him about the appearances on Dr. Phil AFTER.
    B

  19. A Texas Gramdfather says:

    Rose

    A running toilet can be a noise problem. Sorry you lost sleep. Depending on the piping installed there should be two to three places the water can be cut off With the main line valve from the city supply at the curb or alley; at the main valve for the house supply; the cutoff valve near the floor at the toilet.

    Find out where they are located and how they operate. I have every building that has water isolated with an outside cutoff.

    Because of the nation wide drug problem, many counties have developed an inter-agency work group that includes people from all LE agencies and attorneys from the county and towns. There is federal and state grant money as well a money from the regular budgets of agencies to help fund the activities.

  20. MockingbirdSings says:

    God Bless MBS.
    B

  21. January says:

    Rose says: September 14, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Although I completely understand why, this exact reason is why I hoped Blink would have gone on the show! Public awareness, might stir parents at Skyline school to demand answers. Now more of the same! Although hopefully, news of this blog, is spreading like wildfire. The little engine that could..

    On another note Rose, I like your suggesting as to how O”donell should handle his retirement / deposition.

  22. erose says:

    read Blink
    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9941.380

    Thanks Rose, I should have posted here as well. This was my best attempt at a non-rant

    After speaking with direct sources all day/evening in this case- and I realize I have an interest because frankly, I have been covering for years what is now being confirmed.

    Not about being right, but let’s agree both parents have had full knowledge that Terri Horman was NOT the last person to be seen with Kyron and both of them have not been shy about publicly stating otherwise.

    I seriously want to hurl. I can’t bear it. The DA and LE U S E D these people, who were bereft and over 3 years later you would think it would matter that his Father and Mother would say- wait- in OUR efforts to find our son, which include our individual solicitations of public funds to do so- we forgot this paramount investigational factoid:

    He was last seen with a SZ, and every effort to connect him to the woman on our pin the tail on TMH has failed. Not that we care. We will keep giving interviews espousing same.

    Could this be more counterproductive?

    Let’s review:

    1. TH not last person to be seen with Kyron, although someone else definitely was, and LE would like to keep that info private, although they had it when they helped Kaine file his initial ex parte order.

    2. Key alleged “accomplice” has been brutalized for 3 years, recently cleared and if she was the nexus to TMH- ostensibly then, so was TMH.

    3. Kiara does not even know who her mother is? This alone, should absolutely instigate a CPS inquiry or GAL This is about her best interests and this is ok with whom? Children born to Mother’s in custody have had more rights to bond with their parent, and I give this example as TMH has never been charged with a crime of any kind.

    4. According to DA Rees, in a recent appearance yesterday- Whatever investigative information Bobby O’Donnell gave Kaine Horman to set off the initial restraining order he was never authorized to do so. So to be plain, the prosecutors office is now distancing themselves from the initial lead investigator for what reason? H E L I E D.

    I am stunned that Engel would say in open court that Kiara does not know who her Mother is. Forget about the 1000 ways that it is tantamount to abuse- what does that say about KH’s ability to co-parent which is a critical factor in determining custodial issues. I have never even seen a family court matter where the DA has any standing in the first place and then to stand there and say that TMH has no ability to call witnesses who directly refute the claims they themselves have made directly to the man who used that as support to rip his child from her Mother and that is tantamount to trying a criminal matter in civil court?

    They should have thought of that before they rushed to judgement when they HAD information to the contrary.

    Does it bother anyone else that the Hater Crater, seemingly intent to insure anyone reading there who does not immediately turn into a salt pillar understands the egregious legal vortex it swirls in, has had posts from Ms. Young that support and affirm Ms. Horman’s argument made through her counsel yesterday?

    Yes, that’s right. No talky No Kiara as one example, expressions on behalf of Mark Herron, Judge Kantor-

    The clear and unambiguous message about Ms. Horman being public enemy #1. Will be very ironic when that Hater Baiter activity will end up supporting Terri Horman, ultimately.

    That said, something tells me that concept may have missed the “How can we improve our cauldron?” meeting.

    And finally, if the contention is that the show was booked and scheduled “because of” the pending hearings motion Friday, then I guess we should all look forward to hearing both parties discussion of how TMH alleges Kyron was last seen with someone other than his stepmother, right? The responses to that would be critical, no?

    B

  23. T. Ruth says:

    Interesting that Dr. Phil asks what happened the night before Kyron went missing. IIRC, Desiree Young said she got an email from Terri the night before Kyron went missing and a couple more in the morning.

    I always thought there was a possibility that Terri maybe emailed Desiree confirming Kyron’s visitation the next day and for whatever reason, maybe Desiree said she could not meet up with her the next day and take Kyron. Would explain Kaine’s alleged remarks about going out after school, etc. Just speculation on my part. Will be interesting to see what’s up.

  24. erose says:

    This article implies DA can’t reign in MCSO

    DeDe asserted that she had been approached recently by law enforcement about trying to get Terri on the phone to see if she would incriminate herself.

    Several people were dismissive of that because the DA’s office has told the sheriff’s office not to try and do sting operations on people who are already lawyered up – and Terri fits into that category.

    As it turns out, it turns out DeDe was playing it straight – she had been approached and she turned them down.

    Going out on a limb here. I bet Rees found out that DeDe passed a poly by reading BOC on his vacation.
    Or he was informed of same. I would bet my bippy that LE never told the DA about either her passing the poly or the “sting”.

    Welcome to the cross purposes squaredance.
    curtsy your partner or deny you have one or know how to squaredance.

    B

    http://www.katu.com/news/field-notes/Horman-divorce-case-returns-to-court-223609551.html

  25. erose says:

    ???

    And before Desiree’s searchers hit the ground, the sheriff’s office made it clear they did not endorse the idea of a private search.

    http://www.katu.com/news/field-notes/Horman-divorce-case-returns-to-court-223609551.html

    I thought that was against Klaaskids protocol, personally. I wonder if they were told that?
    B

  26. AlbaLass says:

    @Blink, thank you for your latest. Fabulous as ever.

    I have a wee question – not being clued up on American law etc.

    in the protective order docs it says -

    “Each party is restrained (prohibited) from intimidating, molesting, interfering with or menacing the other, or attempting to intimidate, molest or interfere with or menace the other directly or through third parties.”

    so my question is – would Kaine not have to be VERY careful what he says on the Dr Phil show? could he find himself violating the order?

    Ding, ding, ding we have a winner. Yes, unless the third parties are listed definitely, it applies to any activity matching that description to/with any person not Terri or Kaine.

    Who thinks Kaine consulted counsel before doing the show? Who thinks Kaine knew Desiree would be on the show and of the format?
    B

    B

    many thanks for your time, AlbaLass.

  27. Ragdoll says:

    O/T but related to child abuse and neglect. Is this the legacy you want to leave behind? (that includes the Casey Anthony and her parents…and every parent/guardian/caretaker who failed their children)

    Obit goes viral….

    http://tinyurl.com/mn2rfyu

    “Bless The Beasts And The Children”

    Bless the beasts and the children
    For in this world they have no voice
    They have no choice

    Bless the beasts and the children
    For the world can never be
    The world they see

    Light their way when the darkness surrounds them
    And give them love, let it shine all around them

    Bless the beasts and the children
    Give them shelter from the storm
    Keep them safe, keep them warm

    Light their way when the darkness surrounds them
    And give them love, let it shine all around them

    Bless the beasts and the children
    Give them shelter from the storm
    Keep them safe, keep them warm

    (the children)
    (the children)
    (the children)

  28. Rose says:

    I give. Does sitting in Phil’s left chair convey some secret meaning?

    NY Times crossword today pointed me to Gerry Spence’s book on OJ: the Death of Justice.
    A review pointed me to a blog entry he wrote on prosecutors, with deliberation, poisoning widespread public opinion against a target before a charge or indictment, in part to influence a prospective grand jury, a practice he decries.

  29. RedRose says:

    Pretty sure this has been previously discussed, but anyhoo….

    Do we think that Kaine owed big bucks ($10,000)for ‘items’ he was buying, maybe for gym friends/owners. Got the merchandise, didn’t pay.

    RS comes to collect. KH not home, so he pounds on TMHs door and demands $10,000. She calls 911. Cat out of bag. She has no way of knowing what he’s talkinga about.

    But maybe KH does and doesn’t want to lose a cushy Intel job or spend time with nitwits in the state pen, so smarty KH figures out a way to get rid of her and turn everything around so that SHE becomes the bad guy.

    Could that have happened? I’ll bet it could.

    No, I don’t. I think RS was facing some troubles and did as he was asked by LE. I don’t believe Kaine ever knew anything about RS as he stated himself previously. I think LE used that fact as “evidence” of the mfh. The whole thing, this whole mess, is the reason they do not want O’Donnell testifying and want to limit Kaine’s discussion of same.

    Here’s the thing- one makes an allegation against another that alienates the child from the parent for over 3 years, the primary caregiver, nurturer. That allegation’s prima facie came from a non-privileged source. The RO was received in good faith to include the words “LE” and things like “I have been told by LE they have enough probable cause to arrest Terri .”

    You include, presumably with LE’s sign off, that verbiage in a dissolution case do not think hiding in the alley is going to save you. I would argue that this also wreaks of attempting to dodge legal remedies for conduct. Not protected investigated information that some unauthorized and since demoted cop with a history of domestic violence.

    Funny, I don’t recall Rees’s affi in reply about quashing the subpoena to include anything about his lack of authorization? How is that a mental impression? Unless he is using the mental in the vernacular.

    B
    B

  30. Cindy says:

    @Ragdoll 9/14 at 2:57

    TY FOR YOUR POST.

  31. Amys Sister says:

    Rose says
    September 14, 2013 at 12:58 am
    __________

    Fascinating and a little disturbing.

    From the top down, poop sure does trickle in Portland.

  32. T. Ruth says:

    Rose, I think it was you who was asking when RN & Kristi got married:

    Reference Number: kingcoarchmc483131
    Groom’s Name: R Neil Horman
    Bride’s Name: Kris Mengel
    Recording Date:
    Marriage Date: 10-10-1981

    http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Search#2

  33. sam h says:

    maybe the reason for the lack of critical investigative reporting locally is a fear of le using “excessive force” while “unlawfully arresting” anyone who does, like the freelance jounalist in your piece here.or for that matter, losing their jobs. pitkin isnt working, also the ww reporter recently mentioned in the comments here that isnt covering kyron’s story anymore. maybe kaines running out reporters that werent team players wasnt kaines idea but came from higher up. as rose commented about (
    O’donnel getting away with threatining a higher up officer with a gun and going unpunished (comment 47 rose says @1:04am) and the fact that so many officers involved in buying steroids are still on the force. and reminds me that back in may of 2011, a certain rumored dealers body, Javier Trejo Richarte mysteriously appeared off the side of skyline blv (in the middle of the area of skyline school, the then current search area, and the general area of sgt charles browns residence) i heard many rumors back then that trejo’s body, deceased for over a week was dumped there as a message to someone to keep quiet or to throw off the searchers for kyron.
    Too much speculation, too many bodies or body parts, never any public news explaining any of it.
    Aside note: the list of attendees at skyline june 4 2010 has a paul jackson on it, Lord in heaven, tell me that is a parent with the same name and not the paul jackson in this article!

  34. T. Ruth says:

    My posts are hanging out like chads today. :)

    Everyone’s are, getting there ma’am :)

    B

  35. Eloise says:

    Re fruits
    Thx Rose- don’t recall if I knew that.

  36. Malty says:

    Well Rose said what is Malty thinking
    This has been my home town since 1968 I am more than upset with this little child being snatched from a very public at school over 3 years ago and all these different people going off in all directions
    And Kyron is not found dead or alive
    I am glad about DeDe
    Up set over steroid use around children if that was the case
    Up set a mother can’t see her daughter and maybe the grandparents can’t either
    It is such a mess I am numb Rose
    Prayers for Kyron

  37. kimberly says:

    Blink,

    I’m curious what your crystal ball says we will learn on Monday?

    That it will be private and not open to the public. Beyond that I would not dare a guess.
    B

  38. Malty says:

    And Blink thanks for all your efforts

    There’s my Girl.
    xoxoxo
    B

  39. erose says:

    @Rose, I like your June 3 argument theory. Makes sense. Could a stepmother’s email descriptive of worrisome behaviors be interpreted by a bio mom as hateful? I struggle with DY and KH agreeing to a national show on the heels of the DDS interview, and before court. Is the dr. going to try and mend their relationship? Is that the incentive for KH to show, he needs DY on his side? The dr. is aware of Blink’s interview obvious by the invitation request. Are they going to gloss over that, or get in to it? Think he will ask about the unknown man at school who Kyron left with to get things out of the car? Will it be an hour of TH did it?

  40. lyla says:

    erose says:

    September 14, 2013 at 4:46 am

    Same news, stronger wording.

    Attorney: Terri Horman wasn’t last person to see Kyron

    Still, Houze wants to go even further. Next week, he wants to depose witnesses from Fred Meyer, Terri Horman’s gym and students from Skyline School who he claims will say she was not the last person to see Kyron.

    http://www.kptv.com/story/23425918/attorney-terri-horman-wasnt-last-person-to-see-kyron-horman-at-school
    ——————————————————————
    I hope Houze goes through with it.

    “I still think we have an obligation into an ongoing investigation to find Kyron and concluding that effort while pursuing what’s in my daughter’s best interest along that path,” Kaine Horman said. “And, at some point, there’s going to be closure to both.”

    Kaine also stated on June 28 2010 Kyron would not be home for Fathers Day which turned out to be true. And now he says at some point there will be closure to both. How does he such things..is he psychic?

    Staton September 2010.

    “When asked if people would be shocked to find out what they know, Staton took a long silence.

    “I know I’m taking a long pause on that, I have to think through that answer. I think there are things that come out of this investigation that will surprise you, that you’ll think about later on when it’s over. We have a knowledge of things we don’t want to know about … of things we wish we didn’t know,” he added.”

    http://www.kgw.com/news/Sheriff-No-evidence-Kyron-Horman-is-not-alive-103003704.html

  41. grasshopper says:

    here’s the latest
    Horman Kaine Andrew */Horman Terri Lynn Moulton MCR 10/10/13 9:00A THXK 544 JUDGE KANTOR 100666084 Hearing Motion

    this will be to talk about the evaluation, appoint the evaluator

    So Kantor is scheduling everything for orals now, out a month each issue? Hey if you can’t get a stay- make your own!

    B

  42. sam h says:

    i’m on it blink, heres a link! my last comment= http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6210906
    Post by “beatrice”
    3/12/11
    “suspicious death #1 Javier Trejo Richarte found on skyline rd between moreland and johnson (near search area A and chas’ north of logie road”

    There is alot of info about javier on scared monkeys also kyron horman thread #42 page 84 to start with- sassi got alot of research on him. Also a google of javier trejo richarte gives the origonal brief and never followed up stories about javier.

    Not following sam?

    B
    I have a full file on Richarte?

  43. Malty says:

    And to RedRose
    You made me smile saying there are nice people here we are not all crummy bums
    But that day there was one at Skyline This person needs to be tracked down yesterday
    Not even a hint or rumor who this SZ is out there Amazing

  44. Malty says:

    IMO if at the start the bio parents and step parents had been united with the goal of finding Kyron
    Things would have been different but that was not to be
    And they all were very upset and human

  45. sam h says:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2010/05/canby_steroid_suppliers_cooper.html
    May 3, 2010
    “traverso’s attorney John Henry Hingson III urged the court to reward his client for his cooperation…He criticized the D A ‘s office and the city of canby for letting kroeplin resign with a payout and not face prosecution”

    http://www.isteroids.com/blog/tag/greg-koeplin/
    Monday 09 feb 2009
    “deason had resigned since then and just a few months ago, his former roommate, canby police chief greg kroeplin, was suspended with pay after he was proven to have concealed that deason had been using the illegal drugs”

    Same page:
    Wed. 22 april 2009
    Snip
    “new developments on the case revealed that kroeplin knew more about deason’s misdemeaner and even lied on why he didnt investigate his subordinate.
    Snip
    “it was also known that kroppeplin received a memo from the canby city council informing him that the officer was going to be fired. Instead of taking the appropriate actions the chief signified his resignation.”
    Snip
    “koeplin went under investigation because he lacked proffessionalism in his conduct, failure to make fair judgements, and lack of compliance to protocol had compromised the fbi’s investigation of deason
    “it was also known that kroeplin had informed deason (of) the investigation…
    “he had received complaints from colleagues about his officers unpleasant behavior including psychotic tendancies…

  46. Rose says:

    Tx TRuth. I think I’ll look back when Divorce 1 was final.

    wrt “And before Desiree’s searchers hit the ground, the sheriff’s office made it clear they did not endorse the idea of a private search.” Imo MCSO press statement reflect Sheriff’s policy. However, huge gap between policy & behaviors of deputies in the field imo. That’s one problem though with DY delegating “paperwork” to
    anyone else, even a sister. More chances for communication error.

    When I was looking up KlaasKids, iirc Bruce put a big emphasis on parents working with media.
    I realize Phil made the contacts adter DeDe piece 1, but I bet after bonding with DY while searching,
    he reached out to KlaasKids media contacts, ie Phil, on her behalf, knowing of the bio estrangement.
    The DDS Piece could’ve been the final push after his prior contacts. Imo Kaine got an award in California from some Klaas enterprise a year ago; he would’ve trusted any advice to go on a show, for Kyron.

    It seems to me the 3 way info gives motive to any woman Kaine ever put in that position. Can you imagine if one
    got pregnant long ago & aborted, never telling Hormans, forexample. Of it one was scorned & jealous?
    Each liaison should’ve been scrubbed.
    —–
    As far as a June 3 severe argument with KH goes, imo if twas over the doctor apptmt, gives him more motive than her. And, if not, what would be different about this argument from likely hundreds more over the years KH never told DY about? There were probably plenty.

    It is my belief, and has always been, that it was over the Dr. Appt, the confirmation that Terri had consulted Ms. Porter with it and then I think something involving Desiree not showing up the next day and now travel arrangements to take Ky there or permutations of all.

    Anyone notice the County Atty and Rees did not agree on O’Donnell’s actions?

    Honestly, over all, I am still verklempt over the whole thing, not waning.
    I’m no law clerk but if this does not go well I have all kinds of thoughts and they start with missing files from the docket.

    Wait till you see our crack reporter Grasshopper weigh in with her partial notes. I so want to get her a fedora with her BOC press credential sticking out of it. But I like her, lol so maybe not :)

    B

  47. January says:

    Nice post sam h… please give us the link to the article you mention about a certain Paul Jackson, I’d like to read it. Thanks.

  48. Rose says:

    @Blink. Well, if Rees didn’t know, or direct same,
    he’s asked not to be kept informed on mcso methods
    to an end. I believe until Frink retired he knew & directed operationally,
    as DDS cites instances.

  49. evie says:

    How much do I hate the weird coincidences in this case; everything I look up is connected to something I’ve seen before.
    Today’s google-reply for ‘magic cleaners’ gave me the expected local outlets, but the 4th hit was for SHORELINE, WA ? Seriously?

    Doesn’t appear to be remotely connected but really, why, why?! lol
    crazy making.

    @Rose, one day, I’d like to shake your hand. Call it confirmation bias on my part but it is refreshing to see someone from the ‘outside’ find the same things I have, as a local (and going back over time, not just this case). Your posts used to really chap my hide for their knowledgeable tone but as I’ve learned to read you effectively, I’m blown away. Just needed to tell you that.
    (turn the toilet off; it will change your life, speaking from experience)

    @vw, I owe you a thank you also for putting the OLive information out there. I didn’t know the details of their commenting policy.. good to know it’s not Editorial pulling the posts.

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